Really nice once again. You have no idea how much it warmed the heart of a true hack when you touched that collet. Thank you for putting all the time and effort into this!!
Instead of the set screw you could just cross drill it the same size or maybe just slightly smaller than the cross hole originally in the tap wrench and press the original handle in which would keep it into the aluminum bit, give you the option to use the grip milled into the aluminum for the smaller sizes and have more leverage for the larger sizes.
just got my fisrt lathe 1 week ago a atlas model tv54 mann im eating your video like crazy your are a machine tanks for all that information your giving . tanks you from quebec
Hi Lyle, Slick design for the smaller taps. For those of us without a mill, could use a piece of heater hose glued on as a grip surface. Noticed you were cutting into the collet slightly.
i have learned so much from you over the last few years. do want t say my wonderful wife and really loved your Christmas gift video. Thank you once again, you are awesome David T.
Thumbs up nice tool holder, instead of the flutes could you say put a left hand thread then over cut with a right hand thread to get a knurl effect without a knurl tool as you say doing it with knurl tool does not always come out right.
I have really enjoyed your videos. I purchased a 9 inch logan lathe a couple of years ago and have been using your videos as a guide for learning. I recently purchased the Palmgren lathe attachment as shown in your prior videos. It has worked wonderfully. Thanks for sharing your knowledge and keep the videos coming.
I always like to watch how you do or make something. I see small but interesting tips on how something should work and the reason it works. Thanks and have a great day.
I made a smaller version of this for "sensitive drilling" and tapping in the lathe that I use a lot. A small chuck may be better for tiny taps than a tap wrench since the tap can slip in the chuck and save the part. My VBK brand set for taps and dies is very similar to Your design and they have a fairly coarse knurl on them. I find that I get sore hands when tapping to many larger threads and have considered smoothing them down. Perhaps just polishing off the knurls a bit would give the right grip. Or maybe flute them.
looks good. only change I would make is drill out the end for a roll pin in between the tap holder and the tool but the set screws might slip before breaking a tap.
Nice project, I think I'll make one later. I did find something curious about the stability of the chuck. After seeing all the steps taken to align it to the center of the chuck bore it is odd that at time stamp 8:33 when you were to start drilling the .500" size hole the tip of the drill bit actually picked up about .125" before it entered the pilot hole, is this normal? Could have you machined the splines the hole length of the handle by using a long stud and nut to just tighten the whole thing onto the hex collet holder? After all you were taking light cuts... Just a thought.
Thanks for another great video,- I have learned a lot this past year or so watching your videos. I am a complete novice when it comes to using machine tools like the lathe or milling machine.
I like the double ender tap & die holder. flute it and add threads for screw in handles for larger sizes. I don't like the carriage mounted mounted chuck holder for centre drilling, but it makes sense for offset from centre drilling. Thanks Grandpa.
Thanks for that Mr. Pete, looks like that tool will be especially handy for model work. And you're right of course, the machining steps are handy in all work. That Edge tool post chuck is pretty slick; looks like those guys make good products from what I've seen so far.
Thanks. Maybe the recess you bored in the back of the old one you made could be used for small dies (for stock that fits through the 3/8" hole. the How about adding a couple for tommy bars? That might give you a little extra leverage for tough materials.
Yep. The smaller the tap, the smaller the handle should be. I made myself something similar out of some HDF discs and an old tap wrench. In correlation with the tap size, i use the appropriate disc (for example, an M4 tap will have a OD disc with 5 cm an m8 will have a 10 cm one, all discs are 2 cm thick and with ridges for grip).. Haven't broken a tap in quite some because of this.
Glad to know you are still human Mr. Pete. ~¿@ Liked your old one with the reverse die holder. Also seems to me one could leave a shoulder at the bottom of the thru hole and put a 1"L x ~3/8 spring with loose turns in the bottom to aid like a spring tap holder. Most small taps have only an ~1"-2" of thread depth so a ~4" length would give enough throw for that. Basically size it for the lathe and your hand. Another thought would be make a 1" Die Pill that goes where the tap holder goes with a .25-.375 thru hole...couldn't do long threads but would be a versatile kit for small stuff. Thanks for the creative thoughts and Video Mr. Pete.
No ignorance...good question. It was my bad with old school terms (a disc shaped piece that drops into something else). Pills used to be flat discs..like Alka Seltzer or AirBorne tablets . Every thing could be done from 1 end. That is have a 1" die holder (like his old one) and on the same end make a "Pill" that was 1" OD with a .625 hole and a flush set screw attached to the end of the Tap Holder. Can't remember my thinking on the .25/.375 thru hole¿ Insert the assembly into the "Die" end of the holder and tighten the Pill and Tap holder with the same screws used to hold the die in. Could even notch the pill to help lock in place with the die holder screws. Hope that made sense.
Loved the video great info ,I made a tool post drill looks just like tap and die holder you made you made me want to improve on the tap and die holder I made awhile back ,liked the flutes better than knurlng job I did on mine ,keep up the good work I really enjoy your teaching .
MrPete you don’t have enough T handled tap wrenches, I think you need to buy a few more😊 Time to go to some more auctions. Thanks for making the video, I always enjoy your projects.
Mr Pete, I’ve always heard that a mill was the only machine that could duplicate itself. Is that true? And if so, I know it would be a massive undertaking but I was wondering if anyone had ever attempted it and if they videoed it and shared. Just a thought sir! Thank your for educating us.
Neat project Mr. Pete. A great way to start my day seeing you on my email notification list. Speaking off the cuff gives such fun comments as: "Exactly 1/2 inch or thereabouts." Love it.
I made myself one today out of scrap. I used a section of broken vise screw as the grip. Thanks for the inspiration and the know how to let me kind of know how too. :)
Thank you. If you'd like to see my version it's scaled down to under two minutes. th-cam.com/video/Beed2d_nWi0/w-d-xo.html&lc=z22qtj2pywaifhevkacdp434oigoduukmf0jc15hoytw03c010c
I was finally able to locate your video again and could tell you removed it the opposite direction. I still can't drive the retaining pin out the correct direction. Do you think it is possible to drill out the pin? I have replacement pins but don't think me with my cheap table drill press would be a good idea to try to remove the old pin. Local gunsmith isn't willing to try it so I'm certainly reluctant. Suggestions?
I,m 75 in march looking forewords to start making mistakes well at 75 we are expected to . My Doctors driving medical examination coming up this week my record 60 years of no insurance claims cut no ice with the Dept of Transport. Whatever the outcome I will still drive.
Nice Diresta Ice pick there. Collet can be fixed easily just by slightly turning it down till the witness marks vanish again. Seeing as it is not hard steel should be easy, or just use them as index marks.
Lyle, Thanks for the excellent video! I do have one question, however. Did you perform any compensation for the very slight diameter reduction created by the first set of flutes when using the edge finder for the centering of the second set? Granted, it is only a very small amount, perhaps a couple of thousandths. As always, I do enjoy your videos and do my best to glean every bit of info I can from each. Best regards!
Sorry this is off-topic but I don't know how else to reach you. You once did a video on repairing a Stevens Crackshot 26. I have my Dad's and would like to make it operational again, replacing springs and the firing pin. I have bent 2 punches trying to remove the firing pin retaining pin driving left to right as I was told. Now I suspect that was bad advice before I try anymore, do you recall what direction you drove it out? Thanks for the great video and directions on ordering parts for the rifle.
Would there be any advantage to using an MT shank on the shaft instead of straight? I have an Atlas 618, and the tailstock takes an MT1, which would be an appropriate diameter and would eliminate the length of the chuck.
mrpete222 thanks, and thanks also for what you do. There's a reason all the other TH-cam machinists look like they want to genuflect when they mention your name.
Nice job mr pete where i went to school in southern Illinois their was not much demand for machinist they didn't teach much machine shop classes mostly welding electrical and ag classes would have been nice to have had a mr Peterson shop teacher but that was back in 1974 my school was next to metropolis school district home of superman we hated superman
I am in the industrialized north. There were a lot of shop glasses in the old days. We love superman up here. I have been to Metropolis and seeing the big statue
Cool project. A possible modification would be to use the male taper end of an old MT2 (or what ever size your tail stock takes) drill bit. Saw off the old drill bit then drill a 3/8" hole in the MT taper and hold the 3/8" rod with a set screw. No need for a drill chuck. This would reduce the overall length of the tool if you have a lathe with a short bed.
Another interesting and practical video, if as you suspect the face of the collet is soft could you not just dress it in the lathe ? A second suggestion you said you did not have a stop on your mill why not make one :-)
I saw the collet on the first pass just face it off its fine.... Such things occur lol.... You could have made a stop with a clamp but with dro often we skip that.... BTW you never showed how you found the edge then center.... Personally I would have just taken a light pass then adjust to please the eye because the eye is so good at such things besides its not critical just has to look right
Regarding the futon talk i this video. You can not emagine the noise my wife made when i broke her the news that i had bought a Colchester Student lathe. And it wasent even a new one.
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Really nice once again. You have no idea how much it warmed the heart of a true hack when you touched that collet. Thank you for putting all the time and effort into this!!
lol
Instead of the set screw you could just cross drill it the same size or maybe just slightly smaller than the cross hole originally in the tap wrench and press the original handle in which would keep it into the aluminum bit, give you the option to use the grip milled into the aluminum for the smaller sizes and have more leverage for the larger sizes.
just got my fisrt lathe 1 week ago a atlas model tv54 mann im eating your video like crazy your are a machine tanks for all that information your giving . tanks you from quebec
Hi Lyle,
Slick design for the smaller taps. For those of us without a mill, could use a piece of heater hose glued on as a grip surface. Noticed you were cutting into the collet slightly.
Good idea with the heater hose, it just looks a little too much like a hillbilly work
i have learned so much from you over the last few years. do want t say my wonderful wife and really loved your Christmas gift video. Thank you once again, you are awesome David T.
Thank you, I'm glad you liked it
The message on your coffee cup is a noble sentiment, admirably expressed.
Tom
I'm glad you appreciated it
Thumbs up nice tool holder, instead of the flutes could you say put a left hand thread then over cut with a right hand thread to get a knurl effect without a knurl tool as you say doing it with knurl tool does not always come out right.
I never tried that method
I have really enjoyed your videos. I purchased a 9 inch logan lathe a couple of years ago and have been using your videos as a guide for learning. I recently purchased the Palmgren lathe attachment as shown in your prior videos. It has worked wonderfully. Thanks for sharing your knowledge and keep the videos coming.
Thank you for watching, as you know I have two Logan Lathes
I always like to watch how you do or make something. I see small but interesting tips on how something should work and the reason it works. Thanks and have a great day.
I'm glad you like my videos
DRO distraction. - I like the dual purpose one you made long ago. Flute it. - Great video.
I think I will flute yet. There is no grip on it when my hands are oily
Yes you should flute it.
I was going to say the same thing the older one is far better.
Great video. Throw a spring in the shaft end hole and you will have a tubilcain spring loaded tap follower just like your other video.
Good idea, I did not think of it
I made a smaller version of this for "sensitive drilling" and tapping in the lathe that I use a lot. A small chuck may be better for tiny taps than a tap wrench since the tap can slip in the chuck and save the part.
My VBK brand set for taps and dies is very similar to Your design and they have a fairly coarse knurl on them. I find that I get sore hands when tapping to many larger threads and have considered smoothing them down. Perhaps just polishing off the knurls a bit would give the right grip. Or maybe flute them.
looks good. only change I would make is drill out the end for a roll pin in between the tap holder and the tool but the set screws might slip before breaking a tap.
Nice project, I think I'll make one later. I did find something curious about the stability of the chuck. After seeing all the steps taken to align it to the center of the chuck bore it is odd that at time stamp 8:33 when you were to start drilling the .500" size hole the tip of the drill bit actually picked up about .125" before it entered the pilot hole, is this normal?
Could have you machined the splines the hole length of the handle by using a long stud and nut to just tighten the whole thing onto the hex collet holder? After all you were taking light cuts... Just a thought.
I wouldn't sweat the new marks on the collet. They were uniform. You were working accurately, that's a plus in my book. (wink)
lol
I would never tell my shop teacher you made a mistake! LOL
stxrynn Yep, that there collect has a special feature!
Marked by the master!
I always learn something new watching your videos...
great tip on getting 12 positions from a 6-sided piece - fantastic! thank you!!
Thanks for another great video,- I have learned a lot this past year or so watching your videos.
I am a complete novice when it comes to using machine tools like the lathe or milling machine.
Thank you Peter, I am glad you like the videos
I like the double ender tap & die holder. flute it and add threads for screw in handles for larger sizes. I don't like the carriage mounted mounted chuck holder for centre drilling, but it makes sense for offset from centre drilling. Thanks Grandpa.
Thanks for that Mr. Pete, looks like that tool will be especially handy for model work.
And you're right of course, the machining steps are handy in all work.
That Edge tool post chuck is pretty slick; looks like those guys make good products from what I've seen so far.
Thanks for watching. They are good people and edge technology
Thanks. Maybe the recess you bored in the back of the old one you made could be used for small dies (for stock that fits through the 3/8" hole. the How about adding a couple for tommy bars? That might give you a little extra leverage for tough materials.
As always, a useful instructional video. That drill chuck adapter sure is slick.
Thank you for watching
Yep. The smaller the tap, the smaller the handle should be. I made myself something similar out of some HDF discs and an old tap wrench. In correlation with the tap size, i use the appropriate disc (for example, an M4 tap will have a OD disc with 5 cm an m8 will have a 10 cm one, all discs are 2 cm thick and with ridges for grip).. Haven't broken a tap in quite some because of this.
Glad to know you are still human Mr. Pete. ~¿@ Liked your old one with the reverse die holder. Also seems to me one could leave a shoulder at the bottom of the thru hole and put a 1"L x ~3/8 spring with loose turns in the bottom to aid like a spring tap holder. Most small taps have only an ~1"-2" of thread depth so a ~4" length would give enough throw for that. Basically size it for the lathe and your hand. Another thought would be make a 1" Die Pill that goes where the tap holder goes with a .25-.375 thru hole...couldn't do long threads but would be a versatile kit for small stuff. Thanks for the creative thoughts and Video Mr. Pete.
Those are both good ideas
No ignorance...good question. It was my bad with old school terms (a disc shaped piece that drops into something else). Pills used to be flat discs..like Alka Seltzer or AirBorne tablets .
Every thing could be done from 1 end. That is have a 1" die holder (like his old one) and on the same end make a "Pill" that was 1" OD with a .625 hole and a flush set screw attached to the end of the Tap Holder. Can't remember my thinking on the .25/.375 thru hole¿ Insert the assembly into the "Die" end of the holder and tighten the Pill and Tap holder with the same screws used to hold the die in. Could even notch the pill to help lock in place with the die holder screws. Hope that made sense.
Loved the video great info ,I made a tool post drill looks just like tap and die holder you made you made me want to improve on the tap and die holder I made awhile back ,liked the flutes better than knurlng job I did on mine ,keep up the good work I really enjoy your teaching .
Thank you for watching
THANK YOU...for sharing. Always learning something new.
Hello
MrPete you don’t have enough T handled tap wrenches, I think you need to buy a few more😊 Time to go to some more auctions. Thanks for making the video, I always enjoy your projects.
Mr Pete, I’ve always heard that a mill was the only machine that could duplicate itself. Is that true? And if so, I know it would be a massive undertaking but I was wondering if anyone had ever attempted it and if they videoed it and shared. Just a thought sir! Thank your for educating us.
you said the project is not imported but the project has to interest me a bit to get me in the grove :)thanks for sharing !!
Neat project Mr. Pete. A great way to start my day seeing you on my email notification list. Speaking off the cuff gives such fun comments as: "Exactly 1/2 inch or thereabouts." Love it.
Glad you like your humor, it goes over many peoples heads
How about putting a spring in the holder and making the shaft captive
Good idea
I made myself one today out of scrap. I used a section of broken vise screw as the grip. Thanks for the inspiration and the know how to let me kind of know how too. :)
That was a good idea for the grip
Thank you. If you'd like to see my version it's scaled down to under two minutes. th-cam.com/video/Beed2d_nWi0/w-d-xo.html&lc=z22qtj2pywaifhevkacdp434oigoduukmf0jc15hoytw03c010c
Nice tool mrpete i like the detail in all of your videos it's a pleasure to watch you work
Thank you very much. It must be cold in Canada
mrpete222 yes it is.best to stay inside the house and watch tubulcain
I was finally able to locate your video again and could tell you removed it the opposite direction. I still can't drive the retaining pin out the correct direction. Do you think it is possible to drill out the pin? I have replacement pins but don't think me with my cheap table drill press would be a good idea to try to remove the old pin. Local gunsmith isn't willing to try it so I'm certainly reluctant. Suggestions?
I,m 75 in march looking forewords to start making mistakes well at 75 we are expected to . My Doctors driving medical examination coming up this week my record 60 years of no insurance claims cut no ice with the Dept of Transport. Whatever the outcome I will still drive.
You sneaky devil, you! What a great idea for making the 12 flutes!!!
🤙
If you look down into a chuck type tap wrench you will usually find a smaller size tap wrench.
Because I don't have a dro I reference off of fixed jaw and bottom of the vise when doing multiple operations such as this
Nice Diresta Ice pick there. Collet can be fixed easily just by slightly turning it down till the witness marks vanish again. Seeing as it is not hard steel should be easy, or just use them as index marks.
Yes
LOL..... the world now needs a Combo Mill.... 1/2 milling machine & 1/2 futon.... keeps the whole house happy!
lol
...and the futon and the milling machine would probably be made in he same factory ....
Lyle, Thanks for the excellent video! I do have one question, however. Did you perform any compensation for the very slight diameter reduction created by the first set of flutes when using the edge finder for the centering of the second set? Granted, it is only a very small amount, perhaps a couple of thousandths.
As always, I do enjoy your videos and do my best to glean every bit of info I can from each.
Best regards!
I was careful, to edge find in a spot that was not fluted
Thanks Lyle! As always, I love your videos!
Thank you very much
Sorry this is off-topic but I don't know how else to reach you. You once did a video on repairing a Stevens Crackshot 26. I have my Dad's and would like to make it operational again, replacing springs and the firing pin. I have bent 2 punches trying to remove the firing pin retaining pin driving left to right as I was told. Now I suspect that was bad advice before I try anymore, do you recall what direction you drove it out? Thanks for the great video and directions on ordering parts for the rifle.
That is so long ago, I have no idea which way I drove the pen. I wouldn't think it would make any difference, sorry
Thanks Mrpete. I had to drive a long way but finally found someone today who will mill it for me. John
Gotta get me one of those coffee mugs 😁 Great video content as always Lyle
That was a gift to me, from the man that gave me the Sterritt cap
Would there be any advantage to using an MT shank on the shaft instead of straight? I have an Atlas 618, and the tailstock takes an MT1, which would be an appropriate diameter and would eliminate the length of the chuck.
Absolutely, use a taper. In fact my larger die holder is based on a number three Morse taper. It can be seen another videos I think
mrpete222 thanks, and thanks also for what you do. There's a reason all the other TH-cam machinists look like they want to genuflect when they mention your name.
Nice job mr pete where i went to school in southern Illinois their was not much demand for machinist they didn't teach much machine shop classes mostly welding electrical and ag classes would have been nice to have had a mr Peterson shop teacher but that was back in 1974 my school was next to metropolis school district home of superman we hated superman
I am in the industrialized north. There were a lot of shop glasses in the old days. We love superman up here. I have been to Metropolis and seeing the big statue
I have to ask, did you speed up the video in editing or have the full pot of coffee before filming? There was a lot of pep in Mr. Pete today!
It's strictly running on caffeinated coffee
Yeah, I was wondering about that myself. I thought it was just me.
Cool project. A possible modification would be to use the male taper end of an old MT2 (or what ever size your tail stock takes) drill bit. Saw off the old drill bit then drill a 3/8" hole in the MT taper and hold the 3/8" rod with a set screw. No need for a drill chuck. This would reduce the overall length of the tool if you have a lathe with a short bed.
Good idea. In fact I do have a larger die holder that is mounted on a number three Morse taper
My Tail stock tap holder inspired by your video! Thank you so much for continuing to mentor us!th-cam.com/video/wpTNtaRcaGw/w-d-xo.html
Handy! Hey, where is your spill proof oil can?
I was wondering the same....???
Good video. Nice tool from edge .
Another interesting and practical video, if as you suspect the face of the collet is soft could you not just dress it in the lathe ? A second suggestion you said you did not have a stop on your mill why not make one :-)
Actually, I do have a stop. It had to be removed in order to install the digital readout
Would it be possible to put a morse taper to eliminate the drill chuck holder?
It sure would, in fact I did that years ago with a much larger die holder I made. It shortens the whole thing up nicely
If its a aluminum handle you can use a table saw to cut flute
Like a screw machine holder, float holder to put on center
What about the thumbnail smash? Any ice packs hurt during the production of this video?
Thanks Mr Pete, another cool video.
Thanks for watching
....Where did you get the coffee mug? That would be fun to have.
It was a gift
Nice project I’m gonna make one thanks
Great Video. Lots of good info.
Thank you
I saw the collet on the first pass just face it off its fine.... Such things occur lol.... You could have made a stop with a clamp but with dro often we skip that.... BTW you never showed how you found the edge then center.... Personally I would have just taken a light pass then adjust to please the eye because the eye is so good at such things besides its not critical just has to look right
If I were to buy a milling machine without her input, I’d only have a milling machine…that’s it! But I like your thinking 😉
Outstanding video; thank you.
Thank you very much
Regarding the futon talk i this video.
You can not emagine the noise my wife made when i broke her the news that i had bought a Colchester Student lathe.
And it wasent even a new one.
It has never dawned on me that you can get 12 rotational positions from a 6 sided holder.
Brilliant, from Coventry England
That large drill was so low below center, I could see it lift as it entered the hole. This must have made quite a taper down the hole.
It was not your fault the milling cutter decorated the collet, we were the ones watching that end, :)
Great tool.
Thank you
very nice your the best
Mr. Pete gets visited by Mr. Bozo, in his shop, you need to get a no Bozo sign for your shop like Tom Lipton has. LOL! :-D
lol
Thanks for sharing sir..
Glad you liked it
made a similar unit for threading die's
Thank you Mr Pete!
Nice video. I'm curious, What would you have said to your student if one of them put those mill marks in the collet? LOL
I would've sent them off to reform school
Glad to see you doing real machining videos that most of us want instead of videos about your 3D printer toy.
Could I 3D print it......rim shot!!
O' Heck yes!
But you may be limited to 0-80 thru 8-32 because of the strength of the plastic...Not much torque available if printing less than 100% fill.
yep thanks for the info !
Thanks for watching
Just going 2 tell Pete, u said need it
As always GREAT!
Thank you
Great content!! Thanks.
Thank you very much
Speaking of taps, we can see you tapped that thumb nail. Proof you actually do things lol.
Thank you
Just order a Fu Ton mill, solve both problems.
lol
Oops. Gremlins changed yout setup while you were dtinking coffee....
that poor collet! Shame on you Mr Bubba! :) ty for the video
Careful cutting a flat on the centering rod to captivate it, you would loose the ability for it to rotate freely!
Well, he might have meant turning the middle of the rod down to create a dog bone that could still turn but be captured by a set screw.
Good stuff thank you
Thanks for watching
Oh no! Mr. Pete has gone flutey.
even Mr. Pete screws up sometimes,
Poor collet🙁
lol
21:40 If they don't like it, they don't have to eat it!!!
"Somebody" diddit.
Now you're starting to sound like your old students..... "It wasn't my fault!"
Thank Heaven you did not 3D print it perhaps the next one
❤😊😊😊
you're only human besides now you've got an excuse to attend another tool auction to find the replacement!!
I am looking at auction advertisements even as I type this comment
Ah well a cheap collet was sacrificed to the cause
Meu like 439
nice video.......useless edge tool