Francisco Martinez The owners HAVE TO SEE vacating the title is the only way forward now! This is only going to get far far uglier until that title is vacated & it best be asap!
@Get to the CHOPPAAA Not even close to a valid comparison lol. Steriods was an individual pusuit by individual players. This was a system put in place & used by the entire team & organization to, as a group, cheat for multiple years, & steal a title! EVERYONE who stepped into that dugout in at least 2017 knew... not everyone knew if guys were sticking needles in the butts privately! This was an ongoing group operation that knowingly hurt alot of guys & even ended young carerers! Also, there was a precedent setting written warning sent to every team in mlb warning using any tech was 100% cheating & would not be tolerated! Title 100% must be vacated & until it is this only gets worse! Do you understand now? Oh also, the poor response to the steroid era ended with the mlb getting a very public congressional hearing, aka proctology exam, & that's the last thing they want again ;o)
@Get to the CHOPPAAA #1 he wasn't the commissioner in the steroids era. #2 in the steroids era, every team had multiple players taking them. #3 this is the biggest cheating scandal in MLB history and it's not even close. So there is no precedent there. #4 just because a previous commissioner fucked up, it doesn't give you the right to fuck it up too. He should have address this with the proper punishments. Period. There is no excuse. And even less excuse to continue to defend the Astros.
Jon Kaczmarczyk Yup! And the title must be vacated now! The longer they keep that stolen title, the worse this gets for mlb! We must relentlessly make mlb understand this until that title is removed! Anything less will NEVER be acceptable!
Manfred: They would have to live with this for the rest of their lives. Me: So your telling me that if I cheat, I get to keep what I win and get paid millions but I would just have to live with the decision I made? Manfred: Yes Me: Sign me up
Tyler Kim Exactly! Which is why we can't allow this! Title must be vacated & the sooner the better for mlb! We need to make sure relentlessly this is understood by Manfred until he acts!
😆. You and me and almost everyone would like to sign up and get rewarded. Shame on me or really shame on the players and teams who got cheated out of the playoff and winning the awards. Manfred needs to get fire in the worst way. His action or inaction will lose the real FANS. Stop paying the 50 per tickets in the stadium to show you do care about the integrity of the game
“A piece of metal” that is the most disrespectful thing a commissioner can say about the reason why their players are their to hoist the championship trophy, to receive a metal
It seems to me that WE THE FANS are being punished by this more than ANY Asstro player! And now we're supposed to believe lyin', cheatin' Correa about Altuve? Really? WTF?!
Everyone MUST keep pushing relentlessly for that title to be vacated! Only way forward for the game is if it is removed & remains vacant forever! Anything less will destroy the game... end of story!
That was hilarious and sad at the same time, I can't believe Correa actually said Altuve wasn't cheating....and told people to stfu if they don't know what they are talking about. The dude hit a HR to send his team to the WS and he was concerned about his shirt? And then was CLEARLY lying about why, these Astros players have no shame whatsoever.
Questfortruth he said ask the whistle blower himself.i think its funny that the Yankees and Dodgers fans are crying the most when the Yankees were caught cheating in 17 and the dodgers were named cheaters too by another player y’all. Astros are taking the hit for all them.
It’s a piece of metal until October when it becomes “the greatest prize in all of sports”. If this is all we can expect., then this is another black eye for baseball
He didn’t want to deal with the player’s union? The union represents all players , not just the Astros Players. I think the player’s union would have to go with the desires of all of the other players not just the 10-12 Astros! 🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
I feel cheated. I've loved the game since the '60's and the Cardinals then the Royals and suffered through strikes and peds and tainted homerun records. I see Rose punished for life and McGwire and Bonds still holding titles and now this. This is a slap in the face for a fan. They cheat and get to keep the championship and avoid punishment. This is a "black sox" stain that will never go away as long as that title stays and the players go unpunished. I won't be paying for another MLB season of watching. I won't be loving baseball. All I'll have is my local team who had to play the Astros who suffered through 2 100 loss seasons due to money and now the Astro's skate free like the teflon don. I'm done with baseball.
I'm a hardcore reds fan haven't had much to cheer for but I still support my team. Pete rose is not in the HOF for betting on his own team but this is okay??? Fuck this shit dude
You obviously don't love baseball. I'll forever be a LIFELONG baseball fan. Just because MLB hasn't done a gd thing about this other than slaps on the wrists is an abomination. But to give up on your favorite MLB teams means you never truly loved baseball. What a stupid line of thinking. You also don't have to pay MLB to watch. Their app is a joke as you cant even watch the teams that're in your area, so suck it up buttercup. If you pay for cable or satellite you're inadvertently paying MLB.
don't get it twisted on Altuve. He WORE A BUZZER we KNOW in '19. He also BENEFITED from the cheaters protecting him in front and behind in the lineup. BS. PURE BS.
The Buzzers is MLB property. MLB gives them to teams who they want in the playoffs. MLB will not find the buzzers. If u look at pics of many players on playoff teams with something under the shirt. Don't know for sure. MLB behind steroids, juiced balls and why wouldn't think MLB is behind it. Astros keep their ship. Yankees jept there's from the steroid scandal. Baseball needs an overhaul or in 10 years there may not be any MLB. MLB is so hypocritical.
@@carlosbeltransneice2955 If the steroid era is your biggest defense, then you're just in denial about the whole situation. Can you imagine if those roiders actually KNEW which pitch was coming next?? You can't compare the 2.
Nobody says this enough! Altuve 100% benefited because of the cheaters batting around him! (for those who don’t know baseball) Altuve gets to see better pitches due to a runner being on base and the pitchers angst knowing that after Altuve, there’s a guy that is just as deadly.. IT CHANGES YOUR ENTIRE APPROACH AS A PITCHER..
kyle Nujabes I wouldn’t be adamant about steroids if players and fans didn’t lose their life because of it. I guarantee more ppl lost their jobs on steroids than Stros cheating. Until then steroids is the worst. If u don’t believe it then you’re saying human lives is second to competition. I call b/s. I went to school with a kid in high school who died from steroids. Canseco and McGwire was his favorite players. I bet he would rather steal signs than take steroids. Guarantee his family it’s thinking the same thing. Not an Astros fan. I just have a problem ppl kicking others while they’re are down and hypocrites. I’ve been lied in and then kicked down by many ppl. Yo have a pry I let wyiyh that more than cheating. Ppl who kick others while they down are just pussies. J/s. That’s a sign of a weak person ( cheating is too). Cheating is cheating, lying is lying. How many times you cheat to get ahead of coworkers and etc.... now u see why I’m calling everybody out and saying their hypocritical. We all cheated and get over it. We all are cheaters and liars. We are hypocrites. Prove me wrong. All our shit is worst that stealing a ship. Why are we after those that did less than us. Give a shout out to you hypocritical cheaters. Hey you remember cheating at school. Cheated during P. E. He who has never lied, cheated or stolen anything, then please the floor is yours. Sorry...not sorry. Mankind is nothing but lying, cheating hypocrites.
Eddie Lee I could just imagine what Roger would have done. Though stripping a title is a huge thing to do. Never happen in professional sports that I aware of. Not including NCAA. The only ones that do it
Matthew Benoit Well I mean the Olympics take away medals for punishment if these things are happening. Also how Lance Armstrong got all of his accomplishments taken away after the evidence was shown. I really don’t understand how Manfred can’t vacate the title. It has been done before, but this man really don’t wanna go through all the trouble so he can play nice for the CBA
Maybe other players/teams should show their protest of the lack of fair punishment by wearing a wristband or something written on their shoes, batting glove, bats, eye black etc...as long as it still conforms to their teams uniform policy. It would be nice to see players unified against cheating.
It sounds like they agreed it was ok to cheat and say I am sorry. What happens the next time someone cheats. They should have pulled the title from them. Make it clear cheating will not be tolerated. When you paid millions to play a game you should at least have to play by the rules. They cheated, that is the bottom line. They would not have stopped...they were caught.
George Taylor They still can, and 100% MUST, VACATE THAT TITLE now! Anything less & this gets even uglier END OF STORY! Manfred needs to hear this loud & clear multiple times daily until he does it!
When Rosenthal asked Altuve he stated live on TV “ Because I’m shy” followed by “ My Wife will be mad” this week Corea changes the story and says “ he got a tattoo” .These scumbags really think we are a bunch of fools . I’m done with baseball until they take away that bogus title
Which is exactly why the title must be vacated now! Fans need to pound this drum relentlessly everyday until mlb understands this WILL NEVER be ok until it happens!
$5 million fine to Crane is like a new pair of slacks to him. You ban his team from the 2020 playoffs and have him pay for all the lost revenue from the teams the Astros beat from 2017-19.
I'm with you as far as the MLB no longer getting my money. I cancelled my mlb.tv subsciption, cancelled my annual trip to spring training and have no intention of taking my vacation to watch every game of an 8-10 game home stand this year. The only thing they understand is cash. I'll keep mine....unless they take the title away, then I'm back on board.
Send the Astros up to Congress to testify like McGwire and Palmeiro did for PEDS. We would get more answered there under oath, and a better satisfaction from that process than wasting the time to impeach Trump😂
Gene Kelley Thst's exactly what mlb doesn't want, & exactly what will happen if that title isn't vacated now! We need to make it perfectly clear, relentlessly, that it will NEVER be acceptable until that title is vacated!
elc The sad part is, they didn’t stop cheating in 2017, they just improved their process by using the “buzzers”, because other teams were on to the “banging”. 2017 is the “tip of the iceberg”. These folks need to be put under oath.
@@genekelley7579 Yes.. Nobody believes they just stopped lol. 1st thing that needs to happen though is that title must be vacated & remain vacant forever as a deterrent!
the more Manfred and the Astros talk, the deeper and deeper the hole gets, and the reputation of MLB lessens and lessens. this whole thing is one big joke.
Yankee fan here! These are the times I really miss George Steinbrenner, cause he wouldn't have stood for being cheated like that, and would have organized a get together with the rest of the team owners, and gotten rid of useless, marble less Rob Manfred!
Rob Manfred is a joke to baseball he is ruining the game this dude continues to protect the freaking Astros. major league baseball players need to go on strike or something until the Astros get a real punishment such BS.
That's the stupidest statement, to say that looking at the Astros' players shows they've been hurt by this. They're not contrite and repentant. They're still trying to get away with what they did and now showing anger when people say their world series and other awards were stolen from others.
Has anyone looked to see if any Astros players betted on the games? If I knew I would have a huge advantage over a team or series,I would place a bet on my team. Why wouldn't they bet
@New Age Scam Artist this is true. But we have to assume they thought they would never get got cheating. 2017 they cheated and must have thought we got away with it. In my professional opinion, cheaters like to push the limits and see what else they can get away with. Why stop and cheating when they got away from it? I understand they would get banned for life, but do you think at that time they were thinking clearly and or being ethical?
Bobby Casillas very good point. Also one of their sponsors put a lot of money on 17 WSand even more in 19. Mattress Mack.is his name I think or maybe Max.
The sport is why people aren’t watching. The best athletes play basketball and football. The exception is soccer but baseball usually doesn’t have to compete with soccer.
All MLB has to do to move forward is to take the title away from the Astros. That’s the only thing that feels right. Then ppl will start to calm down and the story will start to go away. Otherwise this will never go away.
The more the Astros talk and Manfred talks we should all realize they just wanted to sweep it under the rug because we are stupid. We are showing MLB were not stupid and this might be their last chance to win us over. They will fail and I hope it costs all of them in tv dollars down the road
I'm not nearly as mad at Manfred for his punishments as I am that HE WAS THE PERSON RESPONSIBLE FOR THE COVER-UP. How does HE still have a job??? We now know MULTIPLE people told him about this well before Mike Fiers did his interview. Not only did Manfred not do an investigation, we was actively involved in covering this up until the public knew about it!
Because the whole league is involved, not just the Astros. At this point he's got to defend the sanctity (or what's left at least) of Major League Baseball. It's the only thing that explains the light punishment and lack of transparency.
@@rickywilsoniv4414 I think the sign-stealing was a top down program, as the Astros would look for any edge they could to win. Manfred didn't want to look too deep at the sign-stealing scandal, and it's not just the Astros. Boston and NYY had already been fined.
The cheaters from this era are different. They are not motivated by winning, they are purely motivated by money. They just use winning and artificially inflated stats to get to that big payday. Salaries being out of control have lead to a cancer within the game.
The joke is that the Management didn't even get punished. 1 year bans isn't even a slap on the wrist for this. The only person in the Astros organization that was actually punished was an assistant GM, like he's the mastermind of an organization wide cheating scandal lmao. Everyone in management involved in this case should get a lifetime ban because they were either complicit or they didn't have control of the club.
Landis would have ban players for their color of their skin too. It's for the better that the commissioner isn't like Landis but I do agree we need someone who is willing to do his job however. Manfred made Goodell look competent in comparison.
The players that were close in the MVP voting should sue, so that this makes it to the courts and everyone has to testify under oath in a public court.
IF Adam Silver (commissioner of NBA) was running MLB, he definitely would’ve suspended a ton of players or at least strip them away of something. As a huge mlb fan,,, im very disappointed
The use of buzzers is this very plausible. The players got together and all agreed that they would all admit to everything about trash cans and whistling. But, under no circumstances, do any of you say anything about the buzzers. Ok? Ok! “Are we all in agreement?” 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🙄🙄🙄
Protecting the game is in the players best interest and owners best interest. What's so hard about accept that responsibility and doing the right thing even when it's hard.
100% MUST be vacated now! End of story! Can't see baseball surviving if this doesn't happen now! Manfred saying cheating to win, getting caught, & you get to keep the prize, is the worst message possible & simply can't be allowed to stand! Everyone needs to relentlessly make it clear to Manfred & mlb anything less then vacating that title is NEVER going to be accepted & it must be done... the sooner the better for the game!
As fans, we must boycott MLB en masse until justice is served. Otherwise, it will get worse... A LOT WORSE. We must not contribute a penny or a second of our time to it. This is very very tough to do because I absolutely love the game, coach it and still (after 40 years) play a form of it. We must stop every cent and positive conversation regarding the MLB. This is a key reason I did not buy season tickets this year to the Chicago Cubs. Enough is enough. We must stop supporting MLB and demand justice by voting with our dollars and time to the MLB.
Official statement from Commissioner Creed Bratton: "I run a small fake I.D. company from my car with a laminating machine that I swiped from the sheriff's station"
So now it's a 'hunk of metal'. Good to know. I had no reason to go watch my 50M payroll play some 300M payroll anyways. But now I'm sure. What a chowderhead.
I don’t appreciate him calling it a piece of metal. It means more than that to players and fans. And being the commish, he should embody that sentiment too but he obv doesn’t.
Reminds me of that scene in a Christmas Story where the teacher tells the class the guilt they feel is far worse than confessing the truth. Grade school kids know that's not true, why would graduate level educated adult think it was?
Reminds me of employee attitude surveys we used take. If ratings were too low corporate would send some knob around to tell us that we didn't understand the questions.
4:25 “I hate that the fans are being punished.” If Dan were to see the comment threads from Astros fans STILL defending and making excuses for cheating, he would change his mind in a heartbeat.
The Black Sox players were indicted by a Grand Jury and put on trial before the Commissioner banned them from baseball for life. And that’s was after losing the World Series.
Manny had the opportunity to set a precedent that would scream to every team... 'DO NOT CHEAT!!!!' Instead, he lightly smacked them on the wrist and said, 'Hey, go ahead. Just don't get caught.' Man needs to go.
I will say also, if you look at the numbers alone, the team batting average, runs scored, and wins all were lower at home than on the road. It looks as though this actually made them play worse at home
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The MLB Commish just doesn't care. At all. He's just collecting a check waiting for the news cycle to change.
C Me
News cycle is never going to change until that title is vacated... only way forward now! The sooner this happens the better for mlb!
11 more months until A.J's suspension is over. It's not even a suspension it's more like a vacation! Lucky man.
@@jessejames9149
If he ever gets a job in mlb again! And if he does no way it's after only a year ;o)
They need to take ALL 2017 Awards. Division/ALCS/WS/MVP etc. That (MVP award) will help make all players think a little next time, about stopping it.
@@jessejames9149 -Lucky? Hell he lost his job. His name is forever tarnished. How about punishing the damn cheaters?
Rob Manfred is a joke of a Commissioner...
Thank you!!
Agreed. Manfred really made a bad situation even worse. I say vacate the championship, remove Manfred as commissioner and move forward.
He was Selig's right hand man. Whaddaya expect?
Hiluxtaco he gets paid by the owners he’s acting like an employee scared to loose his job
Francisco Martinez
The owners HAVE TO SEE vacating the title is the only way forward now! This is only going to get far far uglier until that title is vacated & it best be asap!
He is literally defending the cheaters.
El Bicho
Exactly! Cheat to win, get caught, & keep the prize ugh! Not going to fly! MUST VACATE that title asap now or this will get uglier & uglier!
Perhaps he'll change his mind once the season starts and shit starts getting crazy
@Get to the CHOPPAAA
Not even close to a valid comparison lol. Steriods was an individual pusuit by individual players. This was a system put in place & used by the entire team & organization to, as a group, cheat for multiple years, & steal a title! EVERYONE who stepped into that dugout in at least 2017 knew... not everyone knew if guys were sticking needles in the butts privately! This was an ongoing group operation that knowingly hurt alot of guys & even ended young carerers!
Also, there was a precedent setting written warning sent to every team in mlb warning using any tech was 100% cheating & would not be tolerated!
Title 100% must be vacated & until it is this only gets worse!
Do you understand now? Oh also, the poor response to the steroid era ended with the mlb getting a very public congressional hearing, aka proctology exam, & that's the last thing they want again ;o)
@Get to the CHOPPAAA #1 he wasn't the commissioner in the steroids era. #2 in the steroids era, every team had multiple players taking them. #3 this is the biggest cheating scandal in MLB history and it's not even close. So there is no precedent there. #4 just because a previous commissioner fucked up, it doesn't give you the right to fuck it up too. He should have address this with the proper punishments. Period. There is no excuse. And even less excuse to continue to defend the Astros.
@@shernigz I'm hoping it's sooner then that if we continue to make it 100% clear this will not go away & it must happen!
Manfred should be removed as commissioner....YOU are not good for the game...
Jon Kaczmarczyk
Yup! And the title must be vacated now! The longer they keep that stolen title, the worse this gets for mlb! We must relentlessly make mlb understand this until that title is removed! Anything less will NEVER be acceptable!
The guy is spineless and he should resign. Where is Bart when you need a man with courage.
He shouldn't resign, the owners should FIRE him for PARTICIPATING in the cover-up for years!
@@johnanthony9923 Yes! He. Should. Be FIRED !!
Yes, Giamatti would've hammered them
Manfred or no Manfred, mlb 100% must vacate the title asap now!
hell his son Paul would be a better commissioner than Manfred. Yes i went there - pig vomit is better than this joke.
Manfred: They would have to live with this for the rest of their lives.
Me: So your telling me that if I cheat, I get to keep what I win and get paid millions but I would just have to live with the decision I made?
Manfred: Yes
Me: Sign me up
Tyler Kim
Exactly! Which is why we can't allow this! Title must be vacated & the sooner the better for mlb! We need to make sure relentlessly this is understood by Manfred until he acts!
You’re telling me. Can’t be taken seriously if you don’t know the difference
😆. You and me and almost everyone would like to sign up and get rewarded. Shame on me or really shame on the players and teams who got cheated out of the playoff and winning the awards. Manfred needs to get fire in the worst way. His action or inaction will lose the real FANS. Stop paying the 50 per tickets in the stadium to show you do care about the integrity of the game
Maradona : *sniff* *sniff* HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
What a load of bull
Ruined experience for many fans
Screwed players who were cheated out of cash
“A piece of metal” that is the most disrespectful thing a commissioner can say about the reason why their players are their to hoist the championship trophy, to receive a metal
Actually, if it was made from metal, it would have some value.
Coming from a POS!
Not to mention the ardent worship of generations of fans.
Joke of a commissioner. He is a disgrace and a coward.
I Could Not Agree with You More This Man is an Absolutely Pussy
If Altuve is okay with keeping his MVP award and WS title at this point, he’s not to worried about public perceptions.
First spring training at bat, he should eat a fastball
@@pumpkinking5174 I cant wait to see every pitcher throwing it at their heads lol.
It seems to me that WE THE FANS are being punished by this more than ANY Asstro player! And now we're supposed to believe lyin', cheatin' Correa about Altuve? Really?
WTF?!
Questfortruth amen
Everyone MUST keep pushing relentlessly for that title to be vacated! Only way forward for the game is if it is removed & remains vacant forever! Anything less will destroy the game... end of story!
That was hilarious and sad at the same time, I can't believe Correa actually said Altuve wasn't cheating....and told people to stfu if they don't know what they are talking about. The dude hit a HR to send his team to the WS and he was concerned about his shirt? And then was CLEARLY lying about why, these Astros players have no shame whatsoever.
Mr. Zadir facts
Questfortruth he said ask the whistle blower himself.i think its funny that the Yankees and Dodgers fans are crying the most when the Yankees were caught cheating in 17 and the dodgers were named cheaters too by another player y’all. Astros are taking the hit for all them.
How much is Manfred getting payed by the Astros?!?? He’s freaking useless!!!!!
4 millions 🤔
Keep demanding to mlb loud & clear relentlessly that it will NEVER be acceptable! That title must be vacated tnd of story!
It’s a piece of metal until October when it becomes “the greatest prize in all of sports”. If this is all we can expect., then this is another black eye for baseball
Yeah that statement from him is all need to know about
He didn’t want to deal with the player’s union? The union represents all players , not just the Astros Players. I think the player’s union would have to go with the desires of all of the other players not just the 10-12 Astros! 🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
I feel cheated. I've loved the game since the '60's and the Cardinals then the Royals and suffered through strikes and peds and tainted homerun records. I see Rose punished for life and McGwire and Bonds still holding titles and now this. This is a slap in the face for a fan. They cheat and get to keep the championship and avoid punishment. This is a "black sox" stain that will never go away as long as that title stays and the players go unpunished. I won't be paying for another MLB season of watching. I won't be loving baseball. All I'll have is my local team who had to play the Astros who suffered through 2 100 loss seasons due to money and now the Astro's skate free like the teflon don. I'm done with baseball.
Stand for something my friend. I've been fighting it for quite a while.
Cheese with that ?
I'm a hardcore reds fan haven't had much to cheer for but I still support my team. Pete rose is not in the HOF for betting on his own team but this is okay??? Fuck this shit dude
You obviously don't love baseball. I'll forever be a LIFELONG baseball fan. Just because MLB hasn't done a gd thing about this other than slaps on the wrists is an abomination. But to give up on your favorite MLB teams means you never truly loved baseball. What a stupid line of thinking. You also don't have to pay MLB to watch. Their app is a joke as you cant even watch the teams that're in your area, so suck it up buttercup. If you pay for cable or satellite you're inadvertently paying MLB.
kingpins9 Still can be... and 100% must be! ASAP to limit damage at this point!
don't get it twisted on Altuve. He WORE A BUZZER we KNOW in '19. He also BENEFITED from the cheaters protecting him in front and behind in the lineup. BS. PURE BS.
Do you know for a fact
The Buzzers is MLB property. MLB gives them to teams who they want in the playoffs. MLB will not find the buzzers. If u look at pics of many players on playoff teams with something under the shirt. Don't know for sure. MLB behind steroids, juiced balls and why wouldn't think MLB is behind it. Astros keep their ship. Yankees jept there's from the steroid scandal. Baseball needs an overhaul or in 10 years there may not be any MLB. MLB is so hypocritical.
@@carlosbeltransneice2955 If the steroid era is your biggest defense, then you're just in denial about the whole situation. Can you imagine if those roiders actually KNEW which pitch was coming next?? You can't compare the 2.
Nobody says this enough! Altuve 100% benefited because of the cheaters batting around him! (for those who don’t know baseball) Altuve gets to see better pitches due to a runner being on base and the pitchers angst knowing that after Altuve, there’s a guy that is just as deadly.. IT CHANGES YOUR ENTIRE APPROACH AS A PITCHER..
kyle Nujabes I wouldn’t be adamant about steroids if players and fans didn’t lose their life because of it. I guarantee more ppl lost their jobs on steroids than Stros cheating. Until then steroids is the worst. If u don’t believe it then you’re saying human lives is second to competition. I call b/s. I went to school with a kid in high school who died from steroids. Canseco and McGwire was his favorite players. I bet he would rather steal signs than take steroids. Guarantee his family it’s thinking the same thing. Not an Astros fan. I just have a problem ppl kicking others while they’re are down and hypocrites. I’ve been lied in and then kicked down by many ppl. Yo have a pry I let wyiyh that more than cheating. Ppl who kick others while they down are just pussies. J/s. That’s a sign of a weak person ( cheating is too). Cheating is cheating, lying is lying. How many times you cheat to get ahead of coworkers and etc.... now u see why I’m calling everybody out and saying their hypocritical. We all cheated and get over it. We all are cheaters and liars. We are hypocrites. Prove me wrong. All our shit is worst that stealing a ship. Why are we after those that did less than us. Give a shout out to you hypocritical cheaters. Hey you remember cheating at school. Cheated during P. E. He who has never lied, cheated or stolen anything, then please the floor is yours. Sorry...not sorry. Mankind is nothing but lying, cheating hypocrites.
Puppet. The other owners should fire Manfred.
Matthew Ellena
The title must be vacated now! Anything less will NEVER be acceptable & we have to make sure they know it until it is removed!
Tom Smith True! But now that prominent players are even saying it the owners must realize this only gets worse until that title is vacated.
That’s why he won’t be removed, useful puppet.
Roger Goodell is smiling somewhere.
Eddie Lee I could just imagine what Roger would have done. Though stripping a title is a huge thing to do. Never happen in professional sports that I aware of. Not including NCAA. The only ones that do it
Matthew Benoit
Well I mean the Olympics take away medals for punishment if these things are happening.
Also how Lance Armstrong got all of his accomplishments taken away after the evidence was shown.
I really don’t understand how Manfred can’t vacate the title. It has been done before, but this man really don’t wanna go through all the trouble so he can play nice for the CBA
Kenny Nguyen He doesn’t have a spine. Because in the 4 major NA sports leagues I don’t think it ever happened before.
Not gonna take the Astros championship banner??....ok, then let other teams hang a banner that says "Astros cheated in 2017"
that would be awesome
Good idea
Maybe other players/teams should show their protest of the lack of fair punishment by wearing a wristband or something written on their shoes, batting glove, bats, eye black etc...as long as it still conforms to their teams uniform policy. It would be nice to see players unified against cheating.
@@jayblue673 Problem is, squads can be hypocritical. Any chance to gain an edge in life someone is gonna cheat.
In other words Manfred was to lazy to do his job.
Translating for Rob Manfred: "I have no power at all with the MLBPA. Thanks for playing."
Truth...the new CBA talks should be fun.
It sounds like they agreed it was ok to cheat and say I am sorry. What happens the next time someone cheats. They should have pulled the title from them. Make it clear cheating will not be tolerated. When you paid millions to play a game you should at least have to play by the rules. They cheated, that is the bottom line. They would not have stopped...they were caught.
George Taylor
They still can, and 100% MUST, VACATE THAT TITLE now! Anything less & this gets even uglier END OF STORY! Manfred needs to hear this loud & clear multiple times daily until he does it!
VACATE. Greetings from The Netherlands.
BTW THE NATIONALS LAST YEAR KNEW IT!!!!
Ghostdialoog
Yup! Changed signs for every batter!
Yessir. www.nbcsports.com/washington/nationals/report-nationals-were-tipped-about-astros-cheating-dodgers-cora
When Rosenthal asked Altuve he stated live on TV “ Because I’m shy” followed by “ My Wife will be mad” this week Corea changes the story and says “ he got a tattoo” .These scumbags really think we are a bunch of fools .
I’m done with baseball until they take away that bogus title
The title still means something obviously cause the astros owner goes around boasting about it still
The Astros still think it's a real chip. That's obviously coming from Crane on down. Just listen to Correa's tone...
Which is exactly why the title must be vacated now! Fans need to pound this drum relentlessly everyday until mlb understands this WILL NEVER be ok until it happens!
$5 million fine to Crane is like a new pair of slacks to him. You ban his team from the 2020 playoffs and have him pay for all the lost revenue from the teams the Astros beat from 2017-19.
Manfred is going to sink baseball. I'm not buying tickets anymore. I'll spend my money on NBA better.
I'm with you as far as the MLB no longer getting my money. I cancelled my mlb.tv subsciption, cancelled my annual trip to spring training and have no intention of taking my vacation to watch every game of an 8-10 game home stand this year. The only thing they understand is cash. I'll keep mine....unless they take the title away, then I'm back on board.
NBA?. NO THANKS
The problem with the NBA is the ticket prices are unbelievably expensive
This will define Manfred, and I want him out.
Send the Astros up to Congress to testify like McGwire and Palmeiro did for PEDS.
We would get more answered there under oath, and a better satisfaction from that process than wasting the time to impeach Trump😂
Gene Kelley
Thst's exactly what mlb doesn't want, & exactly what will happen if that title isn't vacated now! We need to make it perfectly clear, relentlessly, that it will NEVER be acceptable until that title is vacated!
elc
Totally Agree👍
@@genekelley7579
Sad it's up to us but we can make it happen! That title must be vacated end of story! Be loud & relentless!
elc
The sad part is, they didn’t stop cheating in 2017, they just improved their process by using the “buzzers”, because other teams were on to the “banging”.
2017 is the “tip of the iceberg”. These folks need to be put under oath.
@@genekelley7579
Yes..
Nobody believes they just stopped lol. 1st thing that needs to happen though is that title must be vacated & remain vacant forever as a deterrent!
Rob "i dont wanna do my job" Manfred
the more Manfred and the Astros talk, the deeper and deeper the hole gets, and the reputation of MLB lessens and lessens. this whole thing is one big joke.
That is an incredible failure by the Commissioner to simply do his job! He needs to be FIRED for misconduct!
Yankee fan here! These are the times I really miss George Steinbrenner, cause he wouldn't have stood for being cheated like that, and would have organized a get together with the rest of the team owners, and gotten rid of useless, marble less Rob Manfred!
Rob Manfred is a joke to baseball he is ruining the game this dude continues to protect the freaking Astros. major league baseball players need to go on strike or something until the Astros get a real punishment such BS.
Mr. Commissioner: your response is wholly inappropriate. Period. You have hurt the game I love.
Astros were a dumpster fire, then suddenly they are dominant. Now we know one of the reasons why.
That's the stupidest statement, to say that looking at the Astros' players shows they've been hurt by this. They're not contrite and repentant. They're still trying to get away with what they did and now showing anger when people say their world series and other awards were stolen from others.
Has anyone looked to see if any Astros players betted on the games? If I knew I would have a huge advantage over a team or series,I would place a bet on my team. Why wouldn't they bet
@New Age Scam Artist Hell, the series winners got checks for $438,000. If they took that money, why wouldnt they bet on themselves??🤔
@New Age Scam Artist hmmmm, they have shown they are capable of stupid
New Age Scam Artist they banged on a fucking garbage can... they are stupid.
@New Age Scam Artist this is true. But we have to assume they thought they would never get got cheating. 2017 they cheated and must have thought we got away with it. In my professional opinion, cheaters like to push the limits and see what else they can get away with. Why stop and cheating when they got away from it? I understand they would get banned for life, but do you think at that time they were thinking clearly and or being ethical?
Bobby Casillas very good point. Also one of their sponsors put a lot of money on 17 WSand even more in 19. Mattress Mack.is his name I think or maybe Max.
Adam Silver is so much better than Rob Manfred. No wonder the MLB is losing popularity among young fans...
Lol, NBA is hemorrhagging fans.
The commissioner is the reason baseball is dying
The sport is why people aren’t watching. The best athletes play basketball and football. The exception is soccer but baseball usually doesn’t have to compete with soccer.
Dan speaking the truth yet again!
Manfred: "...it's just a piece of metal." Fine. If it's just a piece of metal. Give the piece of metal back.
All MLB has to do to move forward is to take the title away from the Astros. That’s the only thing that feels right. Then ppl will start to calm down and the story will start to go away. Otherwise this will never go away.
Which in all likelihood would never happen because Crane is gonna butch about and Rob is there to kiss ass.
The more the Astros talk and Manfred talks we should all realize they just wanted to sweep it under the rug because we are stupid. We are showing MLB were not stupid and this might be their last chance to win us over. They will fail and I hope it costs all of them in tv dollars down the road
I'm not nearly as mad at Manfred for his punishments as I am that HE WAS THE PERSON RESPONSIBLE FOR THE COVER-UP. How does HE still have a job???
We now know MULTIPLE people told him about this well before Mike Fiers did his interview. Not only did Manfred not do an investigation, we was actively involved in covering this up until the public knew about it!
Because the whole league is involved, not just the Astros. At this point he's got to defend the sanctity (or what's left at least) of Major League Baseball. It's the only thing that explains the light punishment and lack of transparency.
@@bubby8825 Exactly. What happened to the other 8 teams the Astros suspected of cheating and told MLB about?
Because the owners are making a boatload of money, and at the end of the day, that's all that matters to them. They hire Manfred.
Pretty much.... realistically there is only so much he can do so forget the players union, i also agree that he’s covering way more up
@@rickywilsoniv4414 I think the sign-stealing was a top down program, as the Astros would look for any edge they could to win. Manfred didn't want to look too deep at the sign-stealing scandal, and it's not just the Astros. Boston and NYY had already been fined.
The cheaters from this era are different. They are not motivated by winning, they are purely motivated by money. They just use winning and artificially inflated stats to get to that big payday. Salaries being out of control have lead to a cancer within the game.
Manfred is literally killing the sport I love the most! #firemanfred
The joke is that the Management didn't even get punished. 1 year bans isn't even a slap on the wrist for this. The only person in the Astros organization that was actually punished was an assistant GM, like he's the mastermind of an organization wide cheating scandal lmao. Everyone in management involved in this case should get a lifetime ban because they were either complicit or they didn't have control of the club.
What would Kenesaw Mountain Landis do in this situation. He banned the blacksox for gambling.
Landis would have ban players for their color of their skin too. It's for the better that the commissioner isn't like Landis but I do agree we need someone who is willing to do his job however. Manfred made Goodell look competent in comparison.
Took words out my mouth dude.
Mike Fiers might wanna enter the Witness Protection Program right now.
Where's a Judge Mountain Landis when you need one?
It's beyond ironic that the NCAA deals with this type of situation better than MLB apparently can.
The players that were close in the MVP voting should sue, so that this makes it to the courts and everyone has to testify under oath in a public court.
Manfred should resign as commissioner. Players and management should be banned and the titles removed.
He just gave every team the go ahead and do whatever it takes to win the world series.
You got it Dan. Take away the trophy. It's that simple.
The commissioner sounds like he feels sorry for the Astros players getting caught.
MLB should have a Hall of Shame... the Astros and Manfred should be inducted immediately!
He needs to be replaced!!!!
Owners need to hold a meeting immediately for getting rid of him ASAP!
IF Adam Silver (commissioner of NBA) was running MLB, he definitely would’ve suspended a ton of players or at least strip them away of something. As a huge mlb fan,,, im very disappointed
that's because Silver is a respectable Commissioner. Manfred is a piece of shit lazy assed wimp
The use of buzzers is this very plausible. The players got together and all agreed that they would all admit to everything about trash cans and whistling. But, under no circumstances, do any of you say anything about the buzzers. Ok? Ok! “Are we all in agreement?” 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🙄🙄🙄
Manfred needs to allow Rose into the HOF after this
Protecting the game is in the players best interest and owners best interest. What's so hard about accept that responsibility and doing the right thing even when it's hard.
Wow they have to live with this the rest of their lives, along with their millions and world series rings..... LMMMMMMMAAAAAAAAAOOOOOOOOO
100% MUST be vacated now! End of story! Can't see baseball surviving if this doesn't happen now! Manfred saying cheating to win, getting caught, & you get to keep the prize, is the worst message possible & simply can't be allowed to stand!
Everyone needs to relentlessly make it clear to Manfred & mlb anything less then vacating that title is NEVER going to be accepted & it must be done... the sooner the better for the game!
As fans, we must boycott MLB en masse until justice is served. Otherwise, it will get worse... A LOT WORSE. We must not contribute a penny or a second of our time to it. This is very very tough to do because I absolutely love the game, coach it and still (after 40 years) play a form of it. We must stop every cent and positive conversation regarding the MLB. This is a key reason I did not buy season tickets this year to the Chicago Cubs. Enough is enough. We must stop supporting MLB and demand justice by voting with our dollars and time to the MLB.
Manfred says that retaliation will not be tolerated... with his investigatory skills, how would he prove that it was retaliation???
Official statement from Commissioner Creed Bratton: "I run a small fake I.D. company from my car with a laminating machine that I swiped from the sheriff's station"
Its a TEAM sport, win, lose, or cheat... Take the trophy, its that simple Rob
They must pull the World Series win along with any bonuses! Makes me sick!
WOW! There are so many great comments here. I hit the like button on the first twenty or so comments!
Roger Goodell is loving this
Well said!! Dan!!!
2 year suspension for all players on the team. Death penalty for Astros draft. 5 years lost of 1st round pick. T-wolves got it from NBA
Thanks for the shoeless joe reference.
So now it's a 'hunk of metal'. Good to know. I had no reason to go watch my 50M payroll play some 300M payroll anyways. But now I'm sure. What a chowderhead.
Of Course Jose did not want the drum banging...it distracting him from being able to use the buzzer.
I totally agree. It is not punish player or punish management. Punish all of them. Ban all of them. This 1 year suspension is a joke.
Manfred is confusing the word “punishment” with “consequences.”
His job is to deal with the players
I don’t appreciate him calling it a piece of metal. It means more than that to players and fans. And being the commish, he should embody that sentiment too but he obv doesn’t.
Altuve should be hit 162 times this season.
Any player who is truly sorry should surrender their ring.
That's a lot of whatabbouts and what-ifs, Dan.
you can see the white bandage on altuve if you look close enough
Manfred basically said that he's punishing them by not punishing them
Manfred will be getting an extra nice bonus from Mr. Crane next Christmas.
i hear zero bad takes here
Manfred needs to go. He's absolutely clueless.
Reminds me of that scene in a Christmas Story where the teacher tells the class the guilt they feel is far worse than confessing the truth. Grade school kids know that's not true, why would graduate level educated adult think it was?
Reminds me of employee attitude surveys we used take. If ratings were too low corporate would send some knob around to tell us that we didn't understand the questions.
4:25 “I hate that the fans are being punished.” If Dan were to see the comment threads from Astros fans STILL defending and making excuses for cheating, he would change his mind in a heartbeat.
Oh my god. This guy absolutely handled this in every wrong way possible. He needs to be fired ASAP. Worthless.
Oh, and f**k Houston.
I live in houston and yes fuck the houston Astros
#vacatethetrophy!
Tainted Title
The Black Sox players were indicted by a Grand Jury and put on trial before the Commissioner banned them from baseball for life. And that’s was after losing the World Series.
Donde esta Kennesaw Mountain Landis?
turned over in his grave
@@bogee4u about 10,000rpm I'd bet
Non of those Astros players will ever get into the hall of fame !
Rob Manfred is the worst commissioner of all time.... Get him out. He’s ruining baseball.
Manny had the opportunity to set a precedent that would scream to every team... 'DO NOT CHEAT!!!!' Instead, he lightly smacked them on the wrist and said, 'Hey, go ahead. Just don't get caught.' Man needs to go.
Funny how Mookie and David got out of Boston before the so called investigation has concluded.........
Dan, I TOTALLY AGREE with you on EVERYTHING you feel about the scandals and the "wrist-slapping" punishments by the idiot commissioner!!!!😠😠😠😠
I will say also, if you look at the numbers alone, the team batting average, runs scored, and wins all were lower at home than on the road. It looks as though this actually made them play worse at home
The Houston Asterisks