@@ShonenOuji yo you should give can’t stop cruising you a read it’s a good manga and i well check out witch hat it seems pretty interesting nice summary you did it really caught my interest
To me, Witch Hat 's magic system is more specifically like coding, like you said, it is a bunch of "if ... then" statements, combining lines of codes/ runes to solve problems
You know? I’m kind of disappointed I didn’t think of this sooner because it’s actually the perfect analogy. Lots of people might think coding is boring because it’s a bunch of plugging in numbers, but it takes a lot of skill and allows for plenty of creativity.
@@ShonenOuji this analogy isn't anything new in fantasy settings, in fact, it's a common trope in magical settings that magic is considered something you can read, decipher, and break through understanding it, so the way I understand it is that it works like a mathematical formula. And yes, that traces back to programming. In a way, you are programming energy itself when using magic. So in a way, magic is tied to physics, and magic circles, runes and the like are no less than mathematical, and as such, physical equations. Examples: Akashic Records uses a natural language programming (chanting). Depending on pronunciation, length and punctuation, the spells are altered. "A returners magic should be special" and Black Clover have Open Source programming. I refered to it earlier: if someone is able to read a spell, he might interfere in it, changing the equation. In the first one, the protagonist is a low ressources mage, so to compensate, he studied magic. He can as such, with minimal magical power of his own, negate spells. Advanced spells are more complicated, and basic spells can be rewritten to be stronger. Sadly they have no actual visual representation for spell formulas, no way to understand them ourselves. Black Clover is the extreme version of it: just imagine the sword multiplying any magical equation by 0. Witch hat uses this principle and makes it visualized. You see, can translate and read the glyphs; to a certain extent. I'm pretty sure that the eye simbol stands for shadow btw :) Edit: on that note, I was trying to translate D&D spells to magic hat writing.
@@ShonenOujiBut the thing is, the author "specifically" pointed out the whole idea of magic in this world came from her friend who mentioned that drawing (meaning making art) feels like magic. Conjuring into existence what was never there at all. We could overanalyze stuff and make our own conclusions but the author's intent still is the most valid one. She's trying to tell stories about "artists" not people who sit on their desk arranging 0's and 1's. *Btw I won't accept the "Art is subjective" argument because that's a whole different story and I have an argument but this world is created by an artist who is inspired by the art of making illustration.
I am praying to God that the studio animating this captures the magic in this manga. The Art style is breathtaking and the characters are so unique and interesting.
i really want the studio to be kyoto animation, i think they would be perfect when it comes to bringing the scenarios to life and making magic feel like something beautiful
The part where Coco improvises a way to fly in order to pass the test is proof to me that Coco is a witch genious. Reminder that she's barely a beginner at that point!
I loved how the magic system here adheres to Sanderson's Three Laws of Magic. 1. The writer's ability to solve problems with magic is directly proportional with how the reader understands said magic. 2. Limitations favoured over power. 3. Expound what you have before adding something new.
I think something i greatly i appreciate in witch hat is the ethics and personal philosophies about learning and magic. It's just such a kind story towards creation, how difficult but rewarding it is and how important it is to recognize your impact and limitations in your creations. No character has ever been truly completely right but they still learn from each other, even those who are butting heads. Qifrey does such a good job of helping them grow without stifling them, even if it goes against the societal norms, or laws, of the witch society. It also really captures the feeling of using your crafts/skills for people who largely don't understand HOW you do what you do, and the pressures of adhering to a society that doesn't value your same goals. You can care about making something better, but most with the power to change those struggles aren't affected by them and don't even realize they HAVE power compared to obviously talented people like witches, who are "born talented". And since you're "born talented", you can just fix things without even thinking about it and since you haven't, well...guess you didn't care? There's just so much to love about this series and I hope with the anime, even more people will be able to see the wonderful story that the author is creating and also, the cooking spin off. perfection
The ethics are absolutely a big part and you’re totally right. The story stays interesting because there’s the “good” and “bad” sides by the morals aren’t as black and white. Which is why Coco is continuously forced to questions her morals and continues to grow as a character.
I especially love Tetias role with the morals this Manga explores (she's my favourite character lol). She wants to help people and it's her focus in learning magic, but because of the rules surrounding learning magic she can't help people as much as she would be able to if she broke the rules
Hey so maybe don't steal the thoughts right out of my head k thnx Seriously though. This group of girls is so damn wholesome and must be protected at all costs.
As someone who has been analyzing Witch Hat’s magic system and making my own fan spells for two and a half years, I really liked the way you presented Witch Hat’s magic in your video. I’ve literally spent 2 years writing the magic pages on the Witch Hat wiki, so I’m happy that other people out there care about it as much as me. Keep up the good videos.
Bought some of this yesterday (I usually read online but they sell it in my language so I said fuck it and bought 8 volumes)... And after finishing first volume I am really pleased. The art, panel structure, atmosphere, some unknown nostalgia... and mainly the magic. Honestly I loved magic in Mushoku Tensei where it was more explained and it was not like in majority of fantasy where it is just "something" and you can use it just like that... and here... the whole concept of writing and structuring of those circles and symbols... like yeah, magic circles are in majority of fantasy and even in some real life old books and grimoires BUT here it is basically build upon it and everything you draw has purpose and you can experiment with it and stuff... TLDR: I love it.
Couldn't agree more. It's not that it's completely different from other fantasy stories. It's just that the level of detail in the magic system makes it that much more engaging.
Even though DND has its own magic system, I feel like the core topics discussed here is useful advice for making casting feel more immersive and interesting! Also I love WHA so much 😭
For real this manga became probably my favorite ever so far, and the magic system's logic is just the tip of the iceberg The art is PHENOMENAL (I'm an artist and the whole time I'm just like "BROOOOOOO HOWWWWW"), the worldbuilding is fairly thorough and easy to follow, the main characters are ones you want to root for. There are often moments where I wonder how the characters will solve a problem or pass a test and I'm delightfully surprised by the result! And the themes and plot is incredibly thoughtful. Even to that last point, some things that stand out to me are things like the relationship between adults and children. Several dire moments, the children are forced to solve a problem because they become separated from the adults, but when their teachers come running desperately, you see the love the adults have and how much they fight to protect their students (even Qifrey who has his own personal vengeance toward the villains, doesn't let it cloud his genuine teacher heart, even though he does morally ambiguous stuff here and there). Magic is a tool, and similar to science, it raises the questions and concerns of boundaries and limitations. At first, the villains seem crazy for wanting to practice magic from a dark era, but when you see certain limitations the magic world put on itself, there are some ideas from the dark era that would seem perfect and able to bring life and peace if wielded by a pure heart. So the current witches have a good mind to be wary of that dangerous line, but sometimes their treatment is black and white and doesn't consider those outside of themselves well enough. And Coco and her friends find solutions in that in-between, not playing on that foolish thin line but not giving up either, finding an alternate path and staying true, with less black and white hardness but a deep care to make magic that heals. Also, Coco isn't just a chipper protagonist; she's a child who loves magic, but you see her mind and heart experience both wonders and aches as she learns more and more. Each story moment stays with her, and makes things feel more real and conflicting
Honestly one of the First Comparisons I had when I was reading This Manga was that Magic reminded me of How Alchemy works in Fullmetal. Both fall under a Certain rule set that you most follow, both have to be drawn to Activate (Granted some people like Edward can use Alchemy without it, but he is a Special case), and finally both can be modified and Amproved on as long as you follow the Conventional rule set, plus you can be Very Creative when it comes to both power Systems.
True! Both power systems are governed by clear rules that guide the abilities of the characters, making the abilities that much more unique and creative.
I can see why this one took a while. Hats off to the editor. Haven’t read this series yet but might after trying the upcoming anime. Cause this looks right up my alley. I remember when I first learned about the terms science fantasy from Unnatural History (a CN show from the infamous CN real time period). It was then I realized how many of the things I loved were in this subcategory. The Index series was perhaps the first time I saw it in anime form, which was my favorite series back in the day. Even in anime series like Irregular at Magic High School that I had mixed feelings about, the science fantasy elements were still incredible. Though I do hope more series will be closer to Witch Hat as the best I can hope for nowadays is magic in isekai world that protagonists will use their very basic science knowledge to do something slightly unexpected/unconventional. I can see why from a writing perspective would be challenging. After all a pure magic world allows problems to get fixed easily. Black Clover is great but it does that from time to time. (Also appreciate the Mashle reference). Plus not having to explain the magic is also easier. But as I mentioned, there are isekai stories that do it to some extent. Meaning it’s not impossible but rather not as popular. Maybe someday that’ll change.
Thank you! I'll make sure he reads this because he loved making this video. And I definitely agree that more magic anime ought to incorporate principles of science. It just makes your investment in the story that much more worthwhile because it pays to remember the rules and not just explain everything as "just magic."
i think the main theme of the story is information hazard and ethics of episteme. Who gets to hold power over knowledge? where are the limits between good and bad use of knowledge? should there be limits? who decides them? who enforces them? should we even care about the morality of said knowledge and how it is used? Everything about the last couple of chapters seems to lead towards those questions. Magic is infinite potential, free energy, completely and utterly amoral. On a different note, i would be very disappointed if there's no more diggin into the "basic principles" of magic. There's no way "magic ink" is the only thing that let's you do magic, just basic logic dictates there must be deeper, more fundamental rules at work beyond the very specific act of drawing with ink on a surface. These laws are very cool for fiction, but if the author doesn't go full on with their implications i'm gonna be soooo disappointed!
Something interesting about this type of rule based magic compared to other rule based magic, is that the rules described here are relatively straightforward on their own and thus, have room for growth (for example, how adjusting the amount, orientation and such of signs affects the output of the spell), this is opposed to a lot of rules magic I've seen where the actual rules of the magic sound like a thesis on quantum mechanics rather than guides and standard practice, like having a whole periodic table of components for spells
I was so excited about this video! The Witch Hat is my favorite. I was recommended this by asking for a series where mc actually wants and studies magic instead of just learning two blast spells. The magic in WHA is so beautiful, and the world-building amazing, that the author does not hide how the magic of this word affects all aspects of life and different people. ps: This video just give me so much energy to draw.
aight aight u got me this sounds interesting ... i will read it eventually its gonna take ages to get to it but i am interested lol good job bro great video
Thank you so much! While I think I did a great job breaking down the science, I don’t think the video would have been nearly as good without Saxii’s amazing editing.
Seems like a good manga. I like when Magic and science collide and neither one is stronger than the other. Off topic but do you have any opinions on new manga like super smartphone or aliens area?
I still need to check them out haha. Probably going to do that today and possibly do a community post with my thoughts. I can say that the upcoming Ruri Dragon sounds promising.
This is a great video! I really liked your comparisons and commentary. Although, if you're taking criticism, I do have a suggestion; constantly moving visuals can be a bit tiring to the eyes, maybe in the future, show a few relevant panels and limit movement.
I always heard praises about this one from others and it's on my to read list which is crazy long though also the magic in BC is a lot better than you're giving it credit for it's goes way beyond muscles lul they advance their magic through super intense death threats/training or being in constant training like Yami or Mereoleona with their mana zone or ki always being active I kinda wish Fairy Tail's magic worked like that since it has way more variety but not used the best at all
I'm late the the party and someone already made the programming comparison so here are my thoughts. I think we need to differentiate Science from Applied Science. The Former has very little aesthetics and is about discovering how things work through repeated observation and experimentation, which while you could argue the desire to do science and the appreciation of it is subjective and aesthetic, Science itself does not require it. Applied Science with Technology and Engineering (Of which programming is both.) Does, since while it uses Scientific and Mathematical principals as tools, the goals of it or "Design" is very much Subjective as its meant to appeal in some way to the desires of subjective creatures. In programming some code is considered more "Elegant" than others. One thing I'd like to point out that is interesting with Atelier, and this might come from the background the author has as an artist as well as a cultural one, is how it's programming where the form and symmetry and asymmetry of the signs matter just as much as the information itself, the syntax of the spells are tied very much to their aesthetics, where in most software languages, the syntax and the arrangement of it are more for the benefit of the other programmers/efficiency of reuse. Than a part of the actual function of the code. In some way its similar to IRL engineering with physical objects rather than abstract symbols. In that the size and practicality of the structure have to be taken into effect. However another comparison is the Use of Pictogram symbols and Kanji as oppose to an Alphabet or Letters. In Kanji the shapes and stroke order are important for the syntax of the language, while in English as long as your text is legible by other human beings, the font of the language isn't important. Sometimes I wonder if in an alt history an eastern pictograph based language society developed programming instead of our western ones and what it'd look like. Maybe it'd look something like Atelier. BTW reason you didn't think of coding as an analogy is probably because you got Stoned on Dr. Stone. (I visited your channel you seem to talk about it alot.)
It’s beautiful comments like this that remind me I still have a lot to learn about the world. I’ll take your word for it considering I am not an actual scientist myself. For context, my understanding of elegant science comes from the research I was able to do on the Internet. While none of it touched on this nuance you brought up between Science and Applied Science, I totally get what you’re saying and see how this would play into it. Still, while I think elegance might fit more into Applied Science, the idea of elegant science seems like it can also work with how ideas and principles in nature seem to fit together and sometimes explain each. Also, great point about Kanji. Another good parallel that I completely missed but fits in perfect.
Read a bit of it. In this manga they turn magic into an art. You don’t conjure it, you craft it and creativity and experimentation is the key to making a great mage. ( which is kind of why I sort of understand the brim caps, but their methods are atrocious.)
I'm late to the party and someone has already made the programming analogy, so I'll elaborate on that. I think when you say "Science" your referring more to Applied Science like Engineering and Technology, since "Pure Science" is less about Aesthetics and more about explaining Observable phenomena. While Applied Science has a more tangible goal that has to be done within the frameworks of what is possible with Technology but still allows for multiple solutions. And in programming some solutions are considered more "Elegant" than others. I feel Witch Hat takes it a step further by turning what could be considered Algebra into Geometry. While the Symmetry or Asymmetry of the layout is as important as the logic, perhaps it comes from a cultural background of use of Kanji where aesthetic and brushstrokes are as important where in western alphabets the font itself usually is not significant to the syntax of the meaning. I checked out your channel, you got Dr. Stone on the brain so maybe that's why you didn't think of using the Programming Analogy.
Scientific? It's certainly methodical, but so is real historical "magic". Magic seals, Kabbalah, alchemy/hermeticism, etc, while deeply spiritual practices, still have methodological depth. IMO it wouldn't really classify as scientific, a more fitting magic system would be allomancy from Mistborn.
MINOR spoilers. Trust me when I say that this video doesn't spoil any major points in the story. The only "big" spoiler is finding out how the magic really works in Chapter 1.
Cool video, but I think this is just a case of over analyzing a media. While this doesn't hurt anyone what I noticed is the fact that you're downplaying "art". By "art" I mean making illustration, an image, a painting, a drawing. And in that sense actually "science" itself too. Science is not an art form but art is a form of science. Science is about understanding the world. Art is about expression. You can make art and express something that isn't real but you could never call something that doesn't exist "science". It actually makes me sad as an artists how you don't think they show the art side to this world very well when it's literally the life blood of the manga. But I also understand why. You mentioned they didn't study "color theory", "perspective" and stuff. It's because the author is trying to do it differently. There's literally multiple stuff you could add to your ink to achieve the outcome you need-color theory. Multiple types of ways you could use one symbol to achieve something different - perspective. Different types of pens and marking material that is used for specific medium- art tools. Hiding when you draw a seal is also an artists thing because watching an artists draw something and seeing the outcome is literally like revealing a magicians tricks. Oh and you forgot that art is literally just a bunch of straight and curve lines and sizes of shapes - seals. So "the connections to art, are not so direct" then?
What do you like most about Witch Hat Atelier's magic? Which element of the story is your favorite?
I like the seal system it’s very in depth.
And the whole experimentation with the seals thing that’s really cool and unique for a series with magic.
@@mangamerchant9002 It's really what got me so hooked on it. It makes the obstacles that much more interesting.
@@ShonenOuji yo you should give can’t stop cruising you a read it’s a good manga and i well check out witch hat it seems pretty interesting nice summary you did it really caught my interest
@@godcj969 Thank you!
To me, Witch Hat 's magic system is more specifically like coding, like you said, it is a bunch of "if ... then" statements, combining lines of codes/ runes to solve problems
You know? I’m kind of disappointed I didn’t think of this sooner because it’s actually the perfect analogy. Lots of people might think coding is boring because it’s a bunch of plugging in numbers, but it takes a lot of skill and allows for plenty of creativity.
@@ShonenOuji this analogy isn't anything new in fantasy settings, in fact, it's a common trope in magical settings that magic is considered something you can read, decipher, and break through understanding it, so the way I understand it is that it works like a mathematical formula. And yes, that traces back to programming. In a way, you are programming energy itself when using magic. So in a way, magic is tied to physics, and magic circles, runes and the like are no less than mathematical, and as such, physical equations.
Examples: Akashic Records uses a natural language programming (chanting). Depending on pronunciation, length and punctuation, the spells are altered.
"A returners magic should be special" and Black Clover have Open Source programming. I refered to it earlier: if someone is able to read a spell, he might interfere in it, changing the equation. In the first one, the protagonist is a low ressources mage, so to compensate, he studied magic. He can as such, with minimal magical power of his own, negate spells. Advanced spells are more complicated, and basic spells can be rewritten to be stronger. Sadly they have no actual visual representation for spell formulas, no way to understand them ourselves.
Black Clover is the extreme version of it: just imagine the sword multiplying any magical equation by 0.
Witch hat uses this principle and makes it visualized. You see, can translate and read the glyphs; to a certain extent. I'm pretty sure that the eye simbol stands for shadow btw :)
Edit: on that note, I was trying to translate D&D spells to magic hat writing.
@@ShonenOujiBut the thing is, the author "specifically" pointed out the whole idea of magic in this world came from her friend who mentioned that drawing (meaning making art) feels like magic. Conjuring into existence what was never there at all. We could overanalyze stuff and make our own conclusions but the author's intent still is the most valid one. She's trying to tell stories about "artists" not people who sit on their desk arranging 0's and 1's.
*Btw I won't accept the "Art is subjective" argument because that's a whole different story and I have an argument but this world is created by an artist who is inspired by the art of making illustration.
I am praying to God that the studio animating this captures the magic in this manga. The Art style is breathtaking and the characters are so unique and interesting.
Such a good point. If they don’t get the right feel for the spells then it will kill half the appeal of the show.
Better not be toei
i really want the studio to be kyoto animation, i think they would be perfect when it comes to bringing the scenarios to life and making magic feel like something beautiful
So they'll need studio Ghibli
@@donchon7580in essentials, absolutely
The part where Coco improvises a way to fly in order to pass the test is proof to me that Coco is a witch genious. Reminder that she's barely a beginner at that point!
I loved how the magic system here adheres to Sanderson's Three Laws of Magic.
1. The writer's ability to solve problems with magic is directly proportional with how the reader understands said magic.
2. Limitations favoured over power.
3. Expound what you have before adding something new.
Sanderson is the fucking GOAT imo.
I think something i greatly i appreciate in witch hat is the ethics and personal philosophies about learning and magic. It's just such a kind story towards creation, how difficult but rewarding it is and how important it is to recognize your impact and limitations in your creations.
No character has ever been truly completely right but they still learn from each other, even those who are butting heads. Qifrey does such a good job of helping them grow without stifling them, even if it goes against the societal norms, or laws, of the witch society.
It also really captures the feeling of using your crafts/skills for people who largely don't understand HOW you do what you do, and the pressures of adhering to a society that doesn't value your same goals. You can care about making something better, but most with the power to change those struggles aren't affected by them and don't even realize they HAVE power compared to obviously talented people like witches, who are "born talented". And since you're "born talented", you can just fix things without even thinking about it and since you haven't, well...guess you didn't care?
There's just so much to love about this series and I hope with the anime, even more people will be able to see the wonderful story that the author is creating
and also, the cooking spin off. perfection
The ethics are absolutely a big part and you’re totally right. The story stays interesting because there’s the “good” and “bad” sides by the morals aren’t as black and white. Which is why Coco is continuously forced to questions her morals and continues to grow as a character.
I especially love Tetias role with the morals this Manga explores (she's my favourite character lol). She wants to help people and it's her focus in learning magic, but because of the rules surrounding learning magic she can't help people as much as she would be able to if she broke the rules
This is why I like things like Witch Hat Atelier and Baba is you- they give you rules, then they let the character manipulate said rules.
I love my four daughters. And qifrey needs therapy
Hey so maybe don't steal the thoughts right out of my head k thnx
Seriously though. This group of girls is so damn wholesome and must be protected at all costs.
As someone who has been analyzing Witch Hat’s magic system and making my own fan spells for two and a half years, I really liked the way you presented Witch Hat’s magic in your video. I’ve literally spent 2 years writing the magic pages on the Witch Hat wiki, so I’m happy that other people out there care about it as much as me. Keep up the good videos.
Bought some of this yesterday (I usually read online but they sell it in my language so I said fuck it and bought 8 volumes)... And after finishing first volume I am really pleased. The art, panel structure, atmosphere, some unknown nostalgia... and mainly the magic. Honestly I loved magic in Mushoku Tensei where it was more explained and it was not like in majority of fantasy where it is just "something" and you can use it just like that... and here... the whole concept of writing and structuring of those circles and symbols... like yeah, magic circles are in majority of fantasy and even in some real life old books and grimoires BUT here it is basically build upon it and everything you draw has purpose and you can experiment with it and stuff... TLDR: I love it.
Couldn't agree more. It's not that it's completely different from other fantasy stories. It's just that the level of detail in the magic system makes it that much more engaging.
Even though DND has its own magic system, I feel like the core topics discussed here is useful advice for making casting feel more immersive and interesting! Also I love WHA so much 😭
I already finished reading chapter 1, 2 and 3 now im going to buy 4,5,6 and 7 and tomorrow 8,9,10 and 11 :)
For real this manga became probably my favorite ever so far, and the magic system's logic is just the tip of the iceberg
The art is PHENOMENAL (I'm an artist and the whole time I'm just like "BROOOOOOO HOWWWWW"), the worldbuilding is fairly thorough and easy to follow, the main characters are ones you want to root for. There are often moments where I wonder how the characters will solve a problem or pass a test and I'm delightfully surprised by the result! And the themes and plot is incredibly thoughtful.
Even to that last point, some things that stand out to me are things like the relationship between adults and children. Several dire moments, the children are forced to solve a problem because they become separated from the adults, but when their teachers come running desperately, you see the love the adults have and how much they fight to protect their students (even Qifrey who has his own personal vengeance toward the villains, doesn't let it cloud his genuine teacher heart, even though he does morally ambiguous stuff here and there). Magic is a tool, and similar to science, it raises the questions and concerns of boundaries and limitations. At first, the villains seem crazy for wanting to practice magic from a dark era, but when you see certain limitations the magic world put on itself, there are some ideas from the dark era that would seem perfect and able to bring life and peace if wielded by a pure heart. So the current witches have a good mind to be wary of that dangerous line, but sometimes their treatment is black and white and doesn't consider those outside of themselves well enough. And Coco and her friends find solutions in that in-between, not playing on that foolish thin line but not giving up either, finding an alternate path and staying true, with less black and white hardness but a deep care to make magic that heals.
Also, Coco isn't just a chipper protagonist; she's a child who loves magic, but you see her mind and heart experience both wonders and aches as she learns more and more. Each story moment stays with her, and makes things feel more real and conflicting
Honestly one of the First Comparisons I had when I was reading This Manga was that Magic reminded me of How Alchemy works in Fullmetal. Both fall under a Certain rule set that you most follow, both have to be drawn to Activate (Granted some people like Edward can use Alchemy without it, but he is a Special case), and finally both can be modified and Amproved on as long as you follow the Conventional rule set, plus you can be Very Creative when it comes to both power Systems.
True! Both power systems are governed by clear rules that guide the abilities of the characters, making the abilities that much more unique and creative.
I love Witch hat so much!! Incredible art and magic system aside, I appreciate the writing! Also a bunch of life lessons 🙏🏼🙏🏼
This is far more bigger then Harry Potter if done right.. The story is AMAZING!!!.. plus the art feel like in BERSERK manga
I can see why this one took a while. Hats off to the editor. Haven’t read this series yet but might after trying the upcoming anime. Cause this looks right up my alley.
I remember when I first learned about the terms science fantasy from Unnatural History (a CN show from the infamous CN real time period). It was then I realized how many of the things I loved were in this subcategory. The Index series was perhaps the first time I saw it in anime form, which was my favorite series back in the day. Even in anime series like Irregular at Magic High School that I had mixed feelings about, the science fantasy elements were still incredible. Though I do hope more series will be closer to Witch Hat as the best I can hope for nowadays is magic in isekai world that protagonists will use their very basic science knowledge to do something slightly unexpected/unconventional.
I can see why from a writing perspective would be challenging. After all a pure magic world allows problems to get fixed easily. Black Clover is great but it does that from time to time. (Also appreciate the Mashle reference). Plus not having to explain the magic is also easier. But as I mentioned, there are isekai stories that do it to some extent. Meaning it’s not impossible but rather not as popular. Maybe someday that’ll change.
Thank you! I'll make sure he reads this because he loved making this video. And I definitely agree that more magic anime ought to incorporate principles of science. It just makes your investment in the story that much more worthwhile because it pays to remember the rules and not just explain everything as "just magic."
Also while I definitely recommend starting the manga asap, there's no rush since it's on a monthly release schedule.
i think the main theme of the story is information hazard and ethics of episteme. Who gets to hold power over knowledge? where are the limits between good and bad use of knowledge? should there be limits? who decides them? who enforces them? should we even care about the morality of said knowledge and how it is used? Everything about the last couple of chapters seems to lead towards those questions. Magic is infinite potential, free energy, completely and utterly amoral.
On a different note, i would be very disappointed if there's no more diggin into the "basic principles" of magic. There's no way "magic ink" is the only thing that let's you do magic, just basic logic dictates there must be deeper, more fundamental rules at work beyond the very specific act of drawing with ink on a surface. These laws are very cool for fiction, but if the author doesn't go full on with their implications i'm gonna be soooo disappointed!
Something interesting about this type of rule based magic compared to other rule based magic, is that the rules described here are relatively straightforward on their own and thus, have room for growth (for example, how adjusting the amount, orientation and such of signs affects the output of the spell), this is opposed to a lot of rules magic I've seen where the actual rules of the magic sound like a thesis on quantum mechanics rather than guides and standard practice, like having a whole periodic table of components for spells
I love this manga so much, tied for my favorite with Dungeon Meshi.
I'm gonna give this a read be back in a few days the summary you just did was really interesting and the art's really good too
Love it! Honestly just happy I convinced you to give the manga a try. Looking forward to your thoughts on the manga and the rest of the video.
I was so excited about this video! The Witch Hat is my favorite. I was recommended this by asking for a series where mc actually wants and studies magic instead of just learning two blast spells. The magic in WHA is so beautiful, and the world-building amazing, that the author does not hide how the magic of this word affects all aspects of life and different people.
ps: This video just give me so much energy to draw.
Thank you! I’m glad to here it gave you that kind of motivation haha.
I like how u referenced Jojo, Dr Stone, and Blue Period with Witch Hat. all series i love lol
Thank you! Always try to throw in other series I love to make the discussion better.
Gotta be the most in-depth analysis of a magic system without mentioning Brandon Sanderson, lol. Good vid!
Thank you!
ugh this vid is great !!! i am so excited for when this anime gets an adaption!!!!
Me too! Thank you so much!
Love this series
this is a great watch. good job
Thank you! I had a lot of fun making this so I’m glad to hear you enjoyed it so much.
I just started this manga on a recommendation from a friend and it blew my socks off I read 2 volumes with my coffee in the bookstore
This video has convienced me to soon give Witch hat a chance.
Sweet! Glad I could convince. Just trust me, you’ll love it.
aight aight u got me this sounds interesting ... i will read it eventually its gonna take ages to get to it but i am interested lol
good job bro great video
Thank you so much! While I think I did a great job breaking down the science, I don’t think the video would have been nearly as good without Saxii’s amazing editing.
i'm so glad that this manga will be animated, it's just fantastic and beautiful
Seems like a good manga. I like when Magic and science collide and neither one is stronger than the other. Off topic but do you have any opinions on new manga like super smartphone or aliens area?
I still need to check them out haha. Probably going to do that today and possibly do a community post with my thoughts. I can say that the upcoming Ruri Dragon sounds promising.
I bet Brandon Sanderson would have a heart attack at this simple but complex magic system!
I adore science, dr stone, and witch hat love the connections 🫶
Perdón, mi ingles es horrible así que tuve que usar traductor. Pero amé profundamente tu analisis de esta maravillosa obra
Thank you so much! (Gracias!)
Very nice video. Thank you. I will buy this manga
This is a great video! I really liked your comparisons and commentary. Although, if you're taking criticism, I do have a suggestion; constantly moving visuals can be a bit tiring to the eyes, maybe in the future, show a few relevant panels and limit movement.
Thank you!
I always heard praises about this one from others and it's on my to read list which is crazy long though also the magic in BC is a lot better than you're giving it credit for it's goes way beyond muscles lul they advance their magic through super intense death threats/training or being in constant training like Yami or Mereoleona with their mana zone or ki always being active I kinda wish Fairy Tail's magic worked like that since it has way more variety but not used the best at all
Story of my life tbh. I have way too much to catch up on.
I'm late the the party and someone already made the programming comparison so here are my thoughts.
I think we need to differentiate Science from Applied Science. The Former has very little aesthetics and is about discovering how things work through repeated observation and experimentation, which while you could argue the desire to do science and the appreciation of it is subjective and aesthetic, Science itself does not require it. Applied Science with Technology and Engineering (Of which programming is both.) Does, since while it uses Scientific and Mathematical principals as tools, the goals of it or "Design" is very much Subjective as its meant to appeal in some way to the desires of subjective creatures. In programming some code is considered more "Elegant" than others.
One thing I'd like to point out that is interesting with Atelier, and this might come from the background the author has as an artist as well as a cultural one, is how it's programming where the form and symmetry and asymmetry of the signs matter just as much as the information itself, the syntax of the spells are tied very much to their aesthetics, where in most software languages, the syntax and the arrangement of it are more for the benefit of the other programmers/efficiency of reuse. Than a part of the actual function of the code. In some way its similar to IRL engineering with physical objects rather than abstract symbols. In that the size and practicality of the structure have to be taken into effect.
However another comparison is the Use of Pictogram symbols and Kanji as oppose to an Alphabet or Letters. In Kanji the shapes and stroke order are important for the syntax of the language, while in English as long as your text is legible by other human beings, the font of the language isn't important. Sometimes I wonder if in an alt history an eastern pictograph based language society developed programming instead of our western ones and what it'd look like. Maybe it'd look something like Atelier.
BTW reason you didn't think of coding as an analogy is probably because you got Stoned on Dr. Stone. (I visited your channel you seem to talk about it alot.)
It’s beautiful comments like this that remind me I still have a lot to learn about the world. I’ll take your word for it considering I am not an actual scientist myself. For context, my understanding of elegant science comes from the research I was able to do on the Internet. While none of it touched on this nuance you brought up between Science and Applied Science, I totally get what you’re saying and see how this would play into it. Still, while I think elegance might fit more into Applied Science, the idea of elegant science seems like it can also work with how ideas and principles in nature seem to fit together and sometimes explain each.
Also, great point about Kanji. Another good parallel that I completely missed but fits in perfect.
@@ShonenOuji I'm not a scientist either
@@dpolaristar4634 Ah, gotcha. Thank you for clarifying.
Magic aside the art looks amazing and I will be checking it out
Read a bit of it.
In this manga they turn magic into an art. You don’t conjure it, you craft it and creativity and experimentation is the key to making a great mage. ( which is kind of why I sort of understand the brim caps, but their methods are atrocious.)
I’m not that far into the series, but I’ve become convinced that at some point a character will have sigils tattooed onto them
I'm late to the party and someone has already made the programming analogy, so I'll elaborate on that.
I think when you say "Science" your referring more to Applied Science like Engineering and Technology, since "Pure Science" is less about Aesthetics and more about explaining Observable phenomena. While Applied Science has a more tangible goal that has to be done within the frameworks of what is possible with Technology but still allows for multiple solutions. And in programming some solutions are considered more "Elegant" than others.
I feel Witch Hat takes it a step further by turning what could be considered Algebra into Geometry. While the Symmetry or Asymmetry of the layout is as important as the logic, perhaps it comes from a cultural background of use of Kanji where aesthetic and brushstrokes are as important where in western alphabets the font itself usually is not significant to the syntax of the meaning.
I checked out your channel, you got Dr. Stone on the brain so maybe that's why you didn't think of using the Programming Analogy.
Is the manga very popular?
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I would say the perfect mix between magic and science is the toaru series
10:28 KOHAKU CHAN SUGOI!
Scientific? It's certainly methodical, but so is real historical "magic". Magic seals, Kabbalah, alchemy/hermeticism, etc, while deeply spiritual practices, still have methodological depth.
IMO it wouldn't really classify as scientific, a more fitting magic system would be allomancy from Mistborn.
Bendiciones hermosa Celina que Dios te cuideg donde quiera que Sukisukii.Uno encantan tus videos.
man there is spoilers nsmh i cant see this
MINOR spoilers. Trust me when I say that this video doesn't spoil any major points in the story. The only "big" spoiler is finding out how the magic really works in Chapter 1.
@@ShonenOuji hmm i will think about it might come back later when i watch yt in the evening
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Cool video, but I think this is just a case of over analyzing a media. While this doesn't hurt anyone what I noticed is the fact that you're downplaying "art". By "art" I mean making illustration, an image, a painting, a drawing. And in that sense actually "science" itself too. Science is not an art form but art is a form of science. Science is about understanding the world. Art is about expression. You can make art and express something that isn't real but you could never call something that doesn't exist "science". It actually makes me sad as an artists how you don't think they show the art side to this world very well when it's literally the life blood of the manga. But I also understand why. You mentioned they didn't study "color theory", "perspective" and stuff. It's because the author is trying to do it differently. There's literally multiple stuff you could add to your ink to achieve the outcome you need-color theory. Multiple types of ways you could use one symbol to achieve something different - perspective. Different types of pens and marking material that is used for specific medium- art tools. Hiding when you draw a seal is also an artists thing because watching an artists draw something and seeing the outcome is literally like revealing a magicians tricks. Oh and you forgot that art is literally just a bunch of straight and curve lines and sizes of shapes - seals. So "the connections to art, are not so direct" then?
Spoiler Alert:
It has yaoi
So boring they need to mix it correctly
Fights and opponents like black clover
Creative like hxh/jojo
Science like dr.stone
terrible
Are you referring to yourself?