Jim Cornette's Watch-Along: Bret Hart vs. Roddy Piper (Wrestlemania 8)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 15 ธ.ค. 2024
- From Episode 424 of the Jim Cornette Experience
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This was art. Plain and simple. This was like a morality play put into a 13 minute wrestling match. Bret Hart matches are the closest thing wrestling has to Picasso paintings.
They are better than Picasso painting. Picasso is a scam everyone can understand a Bret match
Hart truly was the artist painting on the canvas making every thing look amazing and any mesz up easily fixed without anyone noticing
Well said. Bret even brought some color to the canvas🤔😉
If only you marks put your passion into REAL sports. How does it feel to love something that hates you and wants nothing except your money. Neck beard losers
This match has one of the best stories ever told in a match. Roddy was excellent and really put Bret over in a huge way.
In WWF yes
I agree !
@@michaelunderhill8847 Bret Imo has at least six matches that I would rate at *****.
I’m glad the Watch-Alongside are coming back more frequently
For real its great 😎
Agreed. There's little fun in trashing AEW now so I would rather they focus on these.
@@Ghostface88 There's a LOT of fun trashing AEW.
@@maxxdahl6062 It's becoming redundant though
@@DLRX But still a lot of fun, because 99.9% of it is stupid shit that wouldn't have happened if absolutely anyone back stage had any experience.
"And Roddy said. You know what would make this match special ? A little blood. And the question wasn't if I could do it. But if I could get away with it" - Bret Hart
The matches chosen for these watch alongs are just second to none. Great selection
Although I think it would be cool if he did a Royal Rumble watch along haha
Bret vs whomever = ratings :)
@@minechaftgamer288 I'd like to see him do Curt Hennig vs. Nick Bockwinkel for the AWA title. But either one would likely be way too long. lol Both go about an hour.
Another Bret Hart watch-along! Thanks Jim & Brian - love listening to you guys watch Bret matches.
Bret Hart vs Piper and Naitch vs Macho Man stole the show at WrestleMania 8. WrestleMania 8 is sooooo underrated!!
Bret Hart is the goat!!
Bret Hart for Prime Minister
I also love this match very much. The way Piper looks at the fans and doubts himself and decides not to use the bell is iconic.
I completely forgot about that. The babyface almost turning to cheating but deciding they don't need it is an all time spot that never gets used enough, although when Sami did it was even better because Sami was a pure babyface at that point.
This match had one of The Brain's best lines, what the hell, use the bell.
“Give the bell to me, I’ll hit him”
I remember when I was champion Monsoon
Brain was amazing in this era
@@nickm2483
Monsson: of what?
Bobby: the neighborhood!
Indiana had lost in the Final 4 the day before.
Brain: I'm Indiana's favorite Bobby, I could have got that high school team a win last night, not that guy they had running the ship.
Monsoon: You couldn't carry Bobby Knight's towel!
Brain: Who?
These two were on fire during this show, made it even that much more great. My favorite Wrestlemania.
They only worked one more PPV together (Rumble 93) after this. Cut down in their prime!
Heenan was on fire for this whole period of WWF history. Once Flair showed up Heenan really kicked it into high gear. He was fantastic at the Royal Rumble that year too.
@@CaptainColdyron222 Agreed. He would go into hysterics during any high profile Flair match. It's too bad they couldn't have done more together.
Heenan was the best commentator of all time. No one put over talent, and made people laugh quite like Bobby.
I want to see a watch-along with Bret vs Bulldog from the In Your House where Jim was managing Davey.
Also Wikipedia says the referee was Roger Ruffen? Never heard of him but I do remember him standing out since this was the first PPV I ever watched as a kid.
I’ve seen that before, that’s the match where Bret got a little too carried away with the blade. Vince is doing commentary and you can almost hear in his voice how unhappy he is.
@@kellijones6481 Bret played it off well, though. The commission ruled that it was from the steps after a hard Davey Boy forearm into the back.
Pro Wrestling Wiki says Roger Ruffen was with the WWF for about 15 years then in 1998 he became owner of Northern Wrestling Federation. 15 years in the WWF, but for the life of me I can't remember seeing him outside of the years 1991-1992.
I love hearing Cornette get excited seeing this stuff for the first time. He knows the history and the spots but you still hear the fan in him just loving what he's seeing.
Listening to Jim Cornette watch old wrestling is better than watching any wrestling from the past 25 years.
This match is so underrated. Happy to see Corny give it a spotlight
Underrated has lost its meaning
Underrated by who exactly ?
I’m not sure you know what the definition of underrated is, just about every wrestling fan universally agrees that this was a brilliant match
The promo before the match was classic also. Roddy talking about Bret as a kid.
This might be one of my favorite WMs to rewatch, in terms of commentary. Gorilla and The Brain were hilarious throughout the entire show.
Just watched WM8 a couple of weeks ago!!!! Absolutely right!!!!
Heenan was on fire…he was the highlight of WWE ppv’s in that era
"What the hell, use the bell!"
“Oh good. Two ugly guys just staring at each other.”
Along with being funny as hell, Bobby sold the matches really well too. Even being a kid I remember watching this live and being blown away and I still recall agreeing and believing Bobby when he said, "I knew it was going to be good. I didn't know it was going to be this good."
Piper also lost clean to Mr.Perfect in1990 when Perfect was IC champ. He pinned Piper with the perfect plex 123. It's a rare match. Likely only on some Coliseum video cassette.
Wasn't ever put on Colisseum. Was taped but never released. A version with no commentary surfaced in 2021
The pre-match was hilarious as were Roddy's stories always to rub people the wrong way. The match itself was so great, hooked you in, hooked the audience in and kept you engaged all the way through by great story telling. A true WrestleMania and match of the year.
I really hope watch alongs become a regular thing again.
Ditto
These are so fun and informative, I hope they become more frequent segments as well!
One reason why a story like this couldn't work in AEW, is that when anyone grabs a weapon, the fans will cheer for them to use it regardless of any reasoning.
Because no Bret and no piper then it’s who cares. Lol
@@muhyee294 I think there are a handful of great wrestlers today that the people care about. My point was that there's been too much use of weapons over the years, and the fans have become jaded by spot fests and weapon use, so they don't really care about story anymore.
@@VULGARxRM true, I stopped watching wrestling in 03-04 after religiously watching it from 86 but for some reason I just stopped, I still listen to clips from all the podcasts about something or someone I know about lol. I have tried getting back into it a few times over the years but I constantly find myself rolling my eyes or being cringed out and just not really caring. Maybe it’s just me.
@@muhyee294 Almost the same exact years for me... I started watching in 1991, stopped in 2003. I got back into it in 2010 when I started watching older AJPW, certain Crockett promotions and other territory promotions from the 70s and 80s. Started listening to JC in 2013, and found him to be a good perspective to keep while attempting to watch modern day stuff.
Nowadays, people are so used to seeing weapons. Some wrestlers can even kick out after the weapon is used.
I'm listening to this funky Wrestlemania dvd menu music as you set up the story here at the beginning
Corny is so excited by this match he is giving Shawn compliments - it may also be that now that you compare Shawn to current wrestlers you realize just how good he really was.
I was there in the Hoosier Dome. This was my favorite match on the card.
Some of the cleanest play by play I’ve ever heard in any sport.
The Rockers v The Orient Express from the ‘91 RR would be a great watch along. That’s an absolute classic opener.
The Express vs Owen and Anvil the next year was great, too. The Express seemed to bring their A game to Rumbles.
Or Rockers vs Brainbusters
These watch alongs are something that I could listen to all day long, my favorite thing
This is the match that made me a wrestling fan at 4yrs old! Up until this point I had seen Summerslam 91 and Royal Rumble 92 but THIS was the first match where I was like “HOLY SHIT I LOVE WRESTLING!” Ironically,the Macho Man vs Ric Flair match was the other side of the coin and was the storytelling aspect that got me into wrestling. Man I can watch old Bret Hart stuff all day and never get tired. My favorite Mania 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Everything about Bret Hart's work, I just loved. When he has an arm, it wouldn't just be a lame "rest hold". Bret would be wrenching it. He'd be punching the arm, kickin' it, wringin' it, constantly working. Always in motion, everything is quick and believable. Athletic wrestling at it's absolute believable peak. Bret Hart.
He's a GOAT for a reason, everything he did and said you believed, you didn't see a character when watching him.
That was the only Wrestlemania I've ever attended, and this was my favorite match. Not sure how I convinced my mom to get tickets and drive us from Maryland to Indianapolis, but it's an experience I will never forget.
That spot with the bell was telegraphed the week before in a double interview with Piper and Bret. This was the one where Piper spoke so lovingly of Bret's mom. At the end, when Piper was going to forfeit, only to be informed that Bret gets the belt, he almost hit Bret with it. The line at the end was classic, "I could've had you Bret, and at WrestleMania I will."
This was my first proper WM watched on Sky (UK) never forget this,
One of the best IC Championship match and WrestleMania match of all-time. One of my favorite matches. Piper helps make The Hitman.
Listening to Jim describe these matches is the highest form of edification.
Rewatching the finish they give Piper an added out. The ref is still down when he locks in the sleeper so it makes sense that when Bret kicks off and rolls back through his instinct is to focus on holding on to the sleeper rather than worry about the pinning predicament. Then the ref comes up, hits the 3 count, and Piper sells it with a “where did you come from?” look when the bell rings. Given the talent involved it isn’t surprising but it is very impressive 20 years later that the psychology of this match is still water tight.
AND when they were both out his head was on Bret with both shoulders down for 3 seconds! 'I actually won!' is a good one they could come back to if needed.
Piper also said the ref counted the pin instead of checking brett who was still in the sleeper. Yet another out. Classic in every way.
Love those guys. Piper was such a rare gem.
I have seen so many matches over the years that I rarely remember specific matches anymore, but this one is one of my favorites. I loved the finish. It just isn't one that you see very often. I love this match, and it is one of the greatest ever.
Let’s gooooo!!! Watch alongs are my favorite form of Corny content.
This was a great match, great to go back & enjoy it again. This was one of those unforgettable Intercontinental Championship matches.
This match is an absolute masterpiece in psychology and character work 👏👏👏
Popped when he called ref Jr from Problem Child 🤣 🤣 🤣
A little known fact about Kentucky, it is where the toothbrush was invented.
If it was anywhere else it would be called the teethbrush
LMMFAO!!!🤣🤣🤣
Thanks Jim and Brian. I just watch this along with your commentary. God this was awesome. They don't do matches like this anymore.
My favorite match of all time. My two favorite wrestlers of all time. Just awesome.
Hey now!
This isn't Curryman and Shark Boy vs. The Dudley's in a Fish Market Street Fight!
I always enjoy Jim and Brian's watch alongs
An underrated excellent match, that doesn't get the coverage it deserves. Great to see Jim put a spot light on it.
Man I LOVE THE WATCH ALONGS!!!
Go to a show with The Great Brian and JIM CORNETTE!
The way cornett breaks down a match from actual pros to break downs of modern matches is night and day
God do I miss real wrestlers
Piper was pinned by Mr Perfect on an episode of Wrestling Challenge in 1990. I cannot think of any other instance. That's crazy.
One of my all time favorite calls: “remember that old saying - what the hell, use the bell”!
If you are taking Watch Along requests, please consider the Bob Backlund vs Ken Patera Texas Death Match from MSG in 1980. It was the WON match of the year that year.
This match is staggeringly good.
The match ended and as a 39 year old man I squirted out a few tears. I sincerely doubt that any modern match will evoke a similar emotional response STILL 30 years from now.
My wife n I really enjoyed this match. We watched it on youtube and there must've been a few missing scenes because I had to realign the audio n video twice. Great story telling with their body language, this passing of the torch is really cool to hear about n watch 30yrs later!!
As Super Eyepatchwolf said: A full fallen hero / redemption story told just through wrestling
Will never forget this one. Had to faniggle things to see it in college.... it was worth every penny
In 2006 WWE released a 3-disc DVD set for Piper this match was one of the matches Piper was the most proud of.
I'm not sure I can watch another match without Jim providing his brilliant knowledge and commentary! That was great! Ty!
We need a Bret v Lawler watchalong next , feel like Bret loved their feud and was still working years later when writing on it.
This is my vote for most underrated WM match ever. Like I'm taking this over the Iron Man match any day. The look on Roddy's face as he's looking at the crowd while holding the bell is about as good as story telling gets.
I can listen to Corny explain psychology all day. I bet Jake would be great at it too.
Actually a fun little factoid that I read years ago: Piper hadn’t lost an on screen match in 7 years until this loss
this is one of my favorite matches, I think it's timing, I really didn't care for WWF until they got Flair, except Brett but mainly due to his feud with Perfect, so here's a match with wrestlers I like on a show I'm already excited to see Flair vs Savage and it had a good story leading up to it (the best build up on the show) this is my favorite Wrestlemania because I only have to watch the first half to get all the wrestlers I like
And that’s how you tell a wrestling story and selling it all real Bret hart was and always will be one of my favourites simply cos he was real and the technician and roddy is a legend that made such a good dance partner shame wrestling today is rarely presented like this.
I briefly watched Smackdown in the early 2000s but never properly got interested into it again until the last year or so, I've been watching some old classic matches from the 90s and 2000s and these watchalongs have been really helpful for added context, helping me appreciate it more, thanks!
Two expert psychologists stole the show. Absolutely brilliant.
One of my favourite matches of all time, even the pre match face off between Bret and Piper was classic.
Bring back watchalongs !! Invisible man vs invisible stan .. I'd love to hear jim''s take on an absolute classic lol
So tough rewatching these. You have Corny and Bobby Heenan talk at the same time
11:35 Absolutely love this nose to nose, person to person, man to man. We're going to find out who has more in the gas
Wow! He put it on Bret
Brilliant match. Please stick to the watchalongs especially Bret Hart matches
Roddy's other out, that he talks about in his book, he says that because he was using an offensive move, with the sleeper, the ref should have checked to make sure Bret was still awake, before counting the pin. Piper's reasoning, "How do I know to release the hold, if the ref doesn't tell me 'He's out'? I might be holding onto an unconscious man, in which case, I win."
Piper even hinted at the finish during an interview building up to WrestleMania. "Woulda had ya, Bret. Woulda had ya."
Hopefully we can get a Watch-Along of Punk vs Lesnar at Summerslam 2013. I think Jim would love the storytelling in that match, especially with Heyman
This was a great match. 2 kings going at each others throats. And Piper in the Babyface roll...👍👍👍
Love these watch-alongs. Hope they keep going!
Fantastic match and commentary. Great segment guys
I remember the good old days when you looked forward to Wrestlemania. Unfortunately, it hasnt been that way for years.
This was the one Match that got away from me. I should do a watch party myself on this one. Nothing tops Bret ❤️💀🤘🏾
Agreed I have to watch the entire wm 8 before I watch this video
Absolutely, Bret was the most fundamentally sound wrestler I've ever seen. Piper was Piper obviously, the best damn heel (except for maybe Flair) of all time.
🤣🤣🤣 Junior from Problem Child with mustache!
I went into amateur wrestling at 14 years old in 93. I loved the technical skill of hart and even adopted a finishing pin move (no submissions in that type of wrestling) called a bow and arrow cradle to mirror his style a bit lol. This match was so epic to me at the time for that amazing ending.
What about the spladle?
Roddy choose bret to pass the torch and said many times he couldn't have chosen a better guy than bret to pass the torch to, the ending worked for both bret won by pin but roddy can say he didn't really pin him the ref should have checked the shoulders.
Not going to lie I was rooting for Roddy to hit him with the bell
Wow think I saw this in 8th grade Piper forcing himself to take the high road was a brilliant play to those of us who saw him over the years.
as a former track and field guy I wish Brian would just say on your mark, get set, go
1992...must be the best year for the IC belt? Bret, Jaques, Roddy, Davey and Shawn.
Watch-along recommendation: Flair/Funk I Quit match from the ‘89 Clash.
This is my favorite match of all time. Made me fall in love with technical wrestling and the art of in ring storytelling/psychology. Is probably the reason i despise WWE/AEW "sports entertainment".
Edge has had good matches since coming back to be fair
@@chadk890 I love Edge. Definitely an exception to the rule. It's the newer guys who disgust me most. Just worried about getting their spots in and have no respect for what came before and care less about giving a realistic presentation.
Please do Bret vs Perfect at Summerslam 1991 next.
Hot Rod was, and is, the greatest!
The way bret wins it was so creative and cool
Would've loved to have heard Jim's reaction to Bobby's commentary when Roddy is conflicted about using the ring bell: "What the hell, use the bell!" LMAO!!
Ive started going through the classic Bret Hart matches, to fill in the history of WWF before I started watching as a kid in 98. Great match, with strong storytelling. That shot of Piper with the bell over a stricken Bret is just wonderful. Nice work with the blood too, a risk for sure but it really worked. That pre-match promo was a delight!
Piper also had a pin fall loss to Flair at their first television match in the WWF at MSG in 1991.
I loved this match! Especially when I was a kid and saw it the first time, it seemed like 2 friends having a competitive fight for a title that actually meant something at the time
Would love to see a Wrestling with Shadows Jim Cornette watch along !
Love this match! more bret please!
My first wrestlemania and first wrestling show. This introduced me to wrestling. Never will forget. Bret v Piper and Ric Flair v Macho Man remain my two favourite matches. Glad it wasn't Ric v Hogan. That would have sucked balls
Even got a popcorn segment with the Lawler talk! Jim stepping up his watch-along game
I remember coming fresh off a Wrestlemania 7 that hyped the shit out of me as a kid, and then seeing WM8 live the follwing Mania. This Roddy vs Bret match always was the highlight, stuck out the most. It was pretty brutal. My faves at that time were Big Boss Man, and Hogan. But that was still the best match, it beat out anyone else I liked
This is one of those matches you could show to someone who has never watched wrestling
Hell yeah! Piper and Macho Man are my equal favourites.
Don't have Peacock cos it isn't available in the country i live in, so it's network for me.