Jim Cornette's Watch-Along: Razor Ramon vs. Bret Hart (Royal Rumble 1993)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 21 ส.ค. 2024
- From Episode 423 of the Jim Cornette Experience
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The crazy part is, this isn't even in Bret Hart's Top 20 matches. The guy was absolutely incredible. NOBODY can "sell" like Bret Hart. Yesterday or today. Amazing stuff. Gosh I miss classic wrestling.
What was his best match in your opinion?
Scott was no slouch in selling
@@andrewft31 Agreed. I always thought Scott contributed more to the ladder match with Shawn than he got credit for as well...
@@1KilledKenny1 GREAT question Luca. Probably would rank in this order:
1. Austin WM13
2. Owen WM10
3. Bulldog SS in 92'
Most underrated Bret Hart match imo was against Curt Hennig at KOTR in 93'. Such a hard hitting classic. And the Summerslam in 93 against Doink & Lawler was entertaining as hell when he sharpshootered Jerry for over 6 minutes. Hahaha
@@1KilledKenny1 VS Mr. Perfect…..SummerSlam 91.
Everything Jim said about peacock was spot on
He's most definitely correct.. Peacock has some good content but man do their app sucks..
If he doesn’t want commercials,he needs to pay 9.99$ just like the wwe network and he will get an additional content too
It looks like Corny is strangling the Gobbledegook!! 😁🐓
Peacock on roku is atrocious and borderline unwatchable.
@@david7707
Don’t be a shill
I’ve always loved these watch alongs! What a treat when they come around. Like a well placed cage match, Jim always knows how to book well.
Same, huge fan.
I’m still waiting for them to do Royal Rumble 1992 match like they said they was gonna do last year 😆
Razors' gimmick wasn't a Vibce idea. It was Scott's. An extension of the Diamond Studd gimmick with Scarface accent.
I think the story was that one of Vince's cronies told Scott "He's never seen Scarface, so just go in and do the Tony Montana bit. He'll think you're a genius."
Love these! Please do more watchalongs from the 90s.
Not if the PeaCock doesn't shape up!
i agree i love these
Don’t beg
Great stuff! Do hope that they do a watch along match with Piper and Bret from Mania 8. As suggested a few weeks back.
That was my first show I watched. Introduced me to wrestling. It remains my favourite wrestlemania
You mean season 8 😂😂😂😂
Bret Vs Perfect summerslam 91' !!!
Me too👍
@@jpg7051 WRESTLEMANIA SEASON 8 EPISODE 1 🤣
How does Jim's Comments on a 25+ year old match sound more engrossing than almost any current play by play guy?
Crazy, ain’t it
@@travisheckel3788 well damn the artist extroidinaire replied on my comment, I'm humbled sir.
@@tonyjackson4078 Good minds think alike...lol
Rest easy, Chico. We're gonna miss you.
Scott hall created both Razor Ramon and crow Sting, plus he was one of the original NWO members. RIP TO A LEGEND.
This was my first PPV, also, it’s one of my favorites. I was 8 years old. What made this extra special for me, I got to watch it with former pro-wrestler Mad Russian (Eric Pomeroy) Stan Pulaski. After he retired from wrestling, he became a chiropractor for the Horse Jockeys in Nebraska. My dad was a Jockey, and became good friends with Stan. He was such a kind man, and it was amazing to listen to his stories. He even kept kayfabe, all these years late (even thou I didn’t know what it meant in 93).
Sadly, he passed away 10 years ago. But the time spent getting to know him was something I still appreciate.
that's awesome. Love to hear stories like this.
When I watched Bret’s matches, I loved how he would sell the turnbuckle move. Where the opponent would Irish whip him chest first into the turnbuckle and Bret would make the impact sound loud, but he sold it perfectly! Like I thought he really hurt his chest/sternum! Awesome wrestler!
"Hard Work Pays Off,
Dreams comes true,
Bad times don't last,
But bad guys do"
RIP Scott Hall.
Haven't heard that quote before!
@@influencerpodcasts It was during his HOF speech
I loved the build-up to this match! Raymond Rougeau is interviewing Owen Hart. Razor Ramon interrupts to beat up Bret's little brother. "Yo' daddy teach you that, chico? Daddy teach you that?" lol 😈
I remember this...PURE greatness...THANK U BRETT
I was at this PPV in Sacramento, my first of two Royal Rumbles. Really good match and the crowd was into it. I feel lucky to have seen this specifically because I heard Hall say during an interview that despite being a top guy he only really only had two world title shots, this one against Bret Hart and one against Sting in WCW in 98 so I feel privileged to have seen it live. Very entertaining performer despite his troubled life, rest in peace Scott Hall.
Jim is spot on. This a display of a credible conflict. Performed by two talented athletes. They made every move mean something and told a story.
This was my first Corny watch along and first time seeing this match. The overall experience was great.
Same here.
I already had watched it a couple days ago as sort of my In Memory of Scott Hall ritual, but decided to do watch along which was also my first time. Learned a great deal. It's good to hear Jim's thoughts alone but with a visual reference point added it was like a proper lecture lol
@@amizakk Hah yeah it’s like the best kind of lecture.
me too
Nothing has made a Monday morning for me more than listening to Jim Cornette getting pissed off at something 🤣
Same 💯🤣
when I got pissed off, I'd listen to Jim getting pissed off in order for me to calm myself and get a laugh 😂
This was fantastic! Please do more of these watch-alongs as often as you possibly can! Thank you!!
You can just hear the difference in jims commentary on just how wwe wrestling was more artistic more realistic and more sold great memories from two of my favs in the former wwf.
Credit to him for doing a tribute figured he wasn't gonna have too much to say since he was a Kliq guy.
@@christaker8953 It's not that surprising to me, Jim never liked the Kliq, but I don't think he ever wished horrible death upon any of them. This was just a nice way to remember Scott. Plus he's always been able to separate what he thought of someone as a person vs what he thought of them as a wrestler (as with Shawn Michaels).
Really the only one that Jim had real issues with (aside from the Curtain Call) was HBK, and that was mostly due to Shawn’s permanent residence in the middle of Lake Havasoma. He and Waltman are good, he’s always been complimentary of Hall’s work and he and Nash have found a lot of mutual ground given that they have a lot of common enemies (namely Shitstain).
Nobody can watch a match like this, and honestly telling me today’s product is in the same ball park. The good old days, the 90s and early 2000s were maybe the best wrestling days that we’ll ever witness. Today’s wrestlers are great athletes but the effort seems lacking compared with the stars of the good old days. Just look at the selling and especially the punching. So much tighter back then.
But also today’s camera work and style is pathetic and phony af. Constant ruining each spot, impact and move, zooming shaking nonsense..dang I miss the better days 🤦♂️
It's funny they always say today's WWE superstars are movie stars/rock stars, but 99% are terrible actors. They are amazing athletes tho.
💯💯
What a time to be alive man
Blame the WWE for that. It's not that the wrestlers aren't as good.
@@quntface1518 It's both WWE, AND the current talent working to impress meltzer rather than the actual audience.
At some point, Bret would always take a turnbuckle bump chest first and he always made it look painful as hell.
Brian, HOW DARE YOU call Razor Ramon a "Vince gimmick". Vince had never even seen the movie Scarface when Hall presented the Razor gimmick to him. That was 100% a Scott Hall creation. Put some respect on his name when you talk about him!🤣
Peacock ruined the WWE archives. I miss being able to fast forward to a specific match in a PPV
One thing I will say that was noteworthy to me as a younger fan having grown up in the 2000s (that had never seen this match either) were both of the abdominal stretch spots not facing the hard cam. Just something simple that you never see nowadays, and as small a detail as it might be, that’s one of those things that certainly made it feel less contrived compared to now when everything ‘happens’ to face one direction. I guess this just felt more like a show for the live fans that we got to see recorded, rather than a TV product that happens to have a live audience behind it
So weird, I was just talking to my dad about how they don't do the "slow it down" moves anymore.. like the "abdominal stretch"..
This was extremely entertaining. Hope to see more of these in the future.
That Razor vs Bret match was a random classic match. Completely forgot how great that match was.
Idk why Brian brought up this being one of the “Vince gimmicks that actually got over” Scott hall created the Razor Ramon character from start to finish. According to Scott, someone else gave him the last name in the bathroom when Scott told him he needed a last name starting with an R but otherwise, all Scott hall.
It was Tito Santana in the bathroom.
Vince's original pitch for Scott was a GI Joe character. Scott's dad was in the army and that's all Vince knew about him. Scott pitched the Scarface character and Vince went with it. Curt Hennig was also in the meeting.
@@jimmyleoni89 exactly man. If we know all this, how does Brian get it wrong?
Bret getting that sharpshooter out of nowhere was so sick love the watchalongs
I was at this one. Good storytelling and good selling. The former ARCO Arena, where this was at, is set to be demolished later this year.
I think as the years go by people are starting to understand how much better Bret Hart was than everyone else in the ring.
Modern wrestling is missing a lot of fundamentals (throwing a good punch, selling moves, allowing moves to breath, in-ring psychology) so when fans go back and watch old footage, they go “oh wow, Bret is amazing” Even subpar matches back then held the audience’s attention because plenty of wrestlers knew how to work a crowd with very little.
Bret could have had a decent match with a corpse.
I'd love for Jim to react to/review old WWF angles that he might not have seen back in the day. Like i just rewatched the Mr Perfect face turn on Primetime from 92 and it was awesome mainly due to Bobby Heenan's amazing performance. I know Jim loved Bobby so he'd probably get a big kick out of seeing it. But yeah. Please do more of these old school reactions.
I watched it years later (I wasn't even born when this aired), and it was one of my favorite matches of the new generation era. Glad to see Corny praising it. I loved the subtle storytelling of Bret not being able to put on the sharpshooter at first, because Razor is a tall man, so it created the intrigue how Bret will find a way to put on his finisher hold to win the match.
These simple stuff have become a lost art these days.
What a pleasant surprise hearing Jim calling some classic wrestling back when it was worth watching! RIP Scott Hall
It's also sad how atrocious the network on Peacock is to navigate!!
Bret hart is the best wrestler of all time!!! I was born in New York to a Dominican 🇩🇴 family I’m not no wrestling Geek/nerd but I know from a man’s body of work and how he carried himself to say,he was that damn good and Bret was great!
I think it is great how each year, Bret Hart becomes more and more appreciated. He is my favorite of all time, so I am biased.
He wasn't even the best wrestler in his own immediate family
🤢 🤮 🤢 🇩🇴
Bret Hart is the greatest professional wrestler of all-time. That’s exactly how his legacy is going to end up. Nobody did it like him. Nobody before or after. He’s the GOAT.
I downloaded and audio of this on to my phone and then watched my DVD copy of this match from my royal rumble box set. I learned a lot by listening to this while watching.
When you hear Brian and Jim talk about this stuff, it really makes you wish they were crazy enough to open their own wrestling company. Then maybe all of us old heads can find some wrestling we enjoy.
Jim yeah, Brian would be in front row and has no business doing anything in the back besides writing a check
I'd love you guys to do Bret Hart against Perfect at King of the Ring 1993. A masterpiece.
Totally agree. This is just perfectly executed and one of my favourite ever matches. IMO much better than Summerslam 1991
@@andrewbarrett8709 Or Perfect vs. Flair where flair leaves the WWF.
I already had watched it a couple of days ago as a part of my 'In Memory of Scott Hall' ritual. Also Bret himself said he liked this match on his IG post about Scott's passing. But nevertheless I decided to watch it one more time with Jim's commentary and enjoyed the match even more. This is the first time I did this watch along thing and although hearing Jim's thoughts and explanation about these old school wrestling matches alone is great, having a visual reference point made was a different level of enjoyment.
I was @ the Arco Arena for the
Royal Rumble ‘93
Loved it
Please, please keep doing these. So awesome listening to Jim watching classic wrestling.
Bret’s ring attire for this match was 🔥.
I wish jim would do more watch along matches, I'd like to see Bret Hart vs. Bulldog from in your house Dec 1995
Agreed great match that doesn't get mentioned much. Plus Jim is in it
@@johnjedennett2206 I wonder if he still had that Santa Clause tennis racket?
@@tomjohnson3106 yeah me too. Hopefully we get to do the watchalong if so I'm sure we'll find out
Summerslam 92
@@sheepdavis that would be a good watchalong as the match is legendary but the In your house one in 95 was quite epic aswell. Plus Bret gets really "busted open" and the main thing Jim is Bulldogs manager. Hopefully he gets back to doing the watchalongs and if Brian Last gets his way alot of them will be Bret Hart ones which I'd love as he is my goat and think Brets matches are the best
Razor had amazing chemistry with Bret and Shawn, but I believe Razor had his best matches with Rick Martel. Those two were incredible every time they wrestled each other.
I was there when Razor got his first belt beating Rick, both the qualifier rumble and his subsequent match with Martel were filmed the same night, after a slow first half. I spent most that watching the back of Macho Man's hat going up and down in the commentary booth. :D
Awesome Commentary! Thank you Brian and Corny! R.I.P. Razor Ramon Scott Hall
Rip bad guy. Truly one of a kind
2:40 Very classy guys thank you! Razor Ramon was I admit my favorite. Wrestling another one of my favorites. Just so sad but I got beers and poutine ready. Should do more of these watch-along with your expertise and wisdom. And thank you very much Corny and Brian for doing this
Hahaha This is the perfect thing that came on my speaker at the beach on Spring Break...all of a sudden it switched from Van Halen to this perfect 6star Corny Original
The selling throughout the entire match is great. Compare it with the Guevara/MJF match they had months ago where MJF was stomping Sammy´s hand for over two minutes and Sammy only sold it for 5 seconds after.
Don't forget Sammy also kicked out of a middle rope Tombstone Piledriver. 🤦🏻
I love it when you guy do this .. just hearing Jim's perspective on old wrestling is nostalgic..let's make your shows 70percent old wrestling..30 percent new ..🤙
Cornette can talk a streak with very little interruption when it comes to these. Hearing him explain what makes the business the business and adding context to matches like these is what I'm here for as a fan.
Jim’s commentary made me enjoy this match more than I already did. I love how he pointed out the subtleties.
It’s stuff like this that make you appreciate just what a genius Jim really is, doesn’t it? Stuff he hasn’t watched in 20-30 years and he’s immediately picking out such small things like spot calls or when someone is pulling a blade.
Just watched this match for the first time. Scott Hall Razor is my favorite of all time. Thank you Jim
Razor Ramon worked because Scott Hall was absolutely underrated in pulling it off AND the vignettes they did.
When he was paired with Flair, that was the cherry on the top. His mannerisms sold that whole feud to where even Flair was a bit overshadowed.
In nWo, while he initially was kind of the "face" of it at first, he was nowhere near what he was as the Bad Guy. That gimmick was tailor made for him and his look helped (was shocked to see how he looked before that!)
So I went back to check uncle Dave’s match ratings for the 93 rumble. He gave Bret vs Razor 3.25 stars. He gives 5 6 7 star matches to the goofs and gymnasts but this match gets 3 give me a break. This is a pro wrestling match not that other garbage. Guy has lost all credibility
I love these. please keep doing them.
Love listening to jim explain these matchs you can tell how much injoy ment he gets makes me miss the good Ole day's
Hopefully this is why Kahn wanted RoH, to make sure that tape archive won't get treated like random content. It's sad because the WWE Network, while flawed wasn't NEARLY this insane to navigate.
Speaking of promised watch-alongs... whatever happened to the 1992 Royal Rumble match where Ric Flair won the WWF World Title you teased over a YEAR ago, Brian Last? The match is even on TH-cam!
Thanks for doing these again guys!
Please also do Bret vs Shawn SS97
Bret vs Owen WM10
Bulldog vs Shawn KOR96
Thank flock for a watch along. Jim knows what da people want!
When i think of Razor Ramon i think of his ladder match with Shawn Michaels at WrestleMania (I think) I remember watching it as a kid and
Being really shocked when Michaels got his leg tied up in the ropes And that iconic picture of Razor on top of the ladder with the two intercontinental belts.
RIP Razor Ramon 🙏
I've been listening to jims podcast for about 3 weeks now and I wish I found it sooner. I absolutely HATE wrestling now but was addicted to wwf between 89 and 2005. After 2005 it got horrible and I quit watching but I absolutely love the information I get from Jim on the wrestlers I loved and to hear him talk about wrestling when it was good. I listen everyday! And I love it! Love u jim
I greatly enjoy the watch alongs
Glad we have a Scott Hall watch along!
This was Razor's ONLY WWE Title shot.
Love the watch alongs ❤ Mors the better, remind us of what real wrestling was
HOLY SHIT!
I have always been a huge Bret Hart fan. His matches are always watchable at the very least but when I have someone like JC commentating it enhances my esteem for Bret tenfold. I always hear people pointing out,"Every move Bret does means something." Now I actually get to see how that comment came to fruition. I am going to watch all of these JC watch alongs going forward. I love pro wrestling and I especially love watching it and discussing it with others who feel the same about it.
Can you pls do Shawn Michaels vs Triple H Summerslam 2002. I know you're not a fan of either of those guys but that match is such a masterclass in storytelling
No
Finally the Watchalongs are back! Been a long long time!
I loved both of these guys. Razor Ramon had so much charisma.
Thank you for the watch along. We needed this. What a great match and ring psychology. Great story told.
Good thing I have the Scott Hall Blu Ray for this.
Also it isn't a Vince gimmick. Scott came up with the gimmick.
Incredible how a 93 midcard match would be MOTY in 2022
I'd love to hear Jim call Bret Vs Roddy from Wrestlemania 8
AEW wrestlers need to take notice: less is more. Bret Hart is wrestling. You don't need to break your neck for fans!
Jim is spot on again! The wrestlers today just do not get how to sell and make it believable. I’m a die hard fan, trying to get back into it and I can’t watch gymnastic matches.
Corny needs to be hired to train these guys today and save wrestling.
Watching these kind of good/great matches from the past almost seems like kind of a therapy for Jim.
Don't sleep on their king of the ring match.
Yes Jim the fact that every time you fast forward on Peacock it shows a minute or two of advertisements makes you not want to even bother with it.
WWE Network should have stayed it’s own entity.
Don't lower your standards for anyone or anything. Self respect is everything
“Season 6 episode 1 is my favorite royal rumble” -Brian last. I knew it.
This was the first live event I attended. It was so awesome and my cousin got the ppv and recorded it so we watched it again that night when I got back. Great memories!!
...moaning about the commercials, ten seconds later the TH-cam adverts kick in, beautiful!
Razor was a hit right from the start! He was huge, had a great frame, and style!
F yeah. I've been hoping for more watch-alongs, especially from the 90s.
It’s amazing how much simpler wrestling was and yet how much better it was all at once. It was an art form that drew you in, not a sketch that makes you amused
Wow I can't believe it I was just thinking about that match.
Fun listening to you guys watch this match from the Razor Ramon period. Yeah it was an interesting time, Bret defending the belt against Razor who hadn't been around long enough to seem like he might actually win the belt. I felt the same about Shawn Michaels in his title match with Bret at Survivor Series, Shawn WAS the IC champ, but he'd only just won it from Bulldog, going in he didn't seem established enough to take the belt, but if you remember the match, it was about 25 minutes and Shawn DID look like he might win near the end. He actually landed the superkick, but back then his main finisher was the "teardrop" side suplex...which surprisingly he hit, but didn't get the pin.
I rented Royal Rumble '93 on VHS a couple of times, it was a pretty average undercard, but I thought the rumble was great, even some of the stupidity like Giant Gonzales interrupting the rumble to eliminate Undertaker and Macho Man only losing because he tried to pin Yokozuna after his elbow and Yoko's kick out threw him out of the ring, didn't hurt the match too much. As for Bret-Razor, not great, but good, actually I don't remember much detail except Bret's neat back-flip, backslide when Razor was poised to back-suplex him from the top rope and Bret's putting on the sharpshooter with both men on their backs, like he did against Curt Hennig at Summerslam '91, a finish I don't particular like. Not to put blame on anyone, but if Razor didn't seem a potential winner going in, he didn't seem much better at the end, not like Shawn did at Survivor Series. I think Bret-Razor at King of the Ring '93, a shorter match, was a bit better, good finish, Bret's cross-body counter to Razor's top-rope back-suplex.
Loved the commentary/breakdown. Thank you sir!
A thoroughly entertaining watch-along of a great match. It really is true that the wrestling product back then was extremely different than it is today. I've seen this match before, and I genuinely forgot how good it was. For me, if I go back and watch older pro wrestling (anything before the style used today became so commonplace) it's much harder to continue watching the weekly AEW/WWE product, because quite frankly it used to be so much better in almost every way.
It was my first time ever watching this match yesterday wow. The psychology of it was outstanding. The reversal into the sharpshooter was flawless. It has to be a 5 star match
Today it's like watching a road runner cartoon.
Makes me wish I hadn’t given away my collection of Coliseum Videos VHS 📼 of those events.
First time I saw this match was in the Summer of 2015 back on the Network. I was always a fan of Scott Hall but I'm a younger fan almost 30 yrs old so I missed his prime. But he's like the Rock or Stone Cold or Bret, always fun matches.
Scott was such an underrated worker. He really is one of the best to never win a world title. And Bret could wrestle a broom and it be entertaining. Everything Bret did was so crisp and perfect. Ive only seen Bret have one or two “bad” matches
Botchberg and Yokozuna
@@Rodshark75 for Botchberg that was the greatest match of his career, for Bret Hart it was probably Tuesday
Geez Brian! As a former track and field athlete, I'd prefer a simple "on your mark, get set, GO!"
Wow. I'm so glad we don't have peacock here in England... well not yet anyway!
That reversal to the back suplex was insane!!
You know you can just purchase the ad-free version of peacock it'll make life much easier and if you watch it on your TV it actually labels the pay-per-views by their dates Royal Rumble 1993 Royal Rumble 1994 etc etc