I've been bowling for 30+ years and I'm just now learning this? Why are so many tips on bowling such a huge secret? I decided to finally take my game to the next level and half the time I google ANYTHING in regards to advanced tips in bowling I always land on a page where I'm expected to pay a monthly/yearly subscription fee just to learn more?
I love that video but does it matter what boards I am starting from? Is it no matter what but if I hit that 45 - 31 board, that is right. Surely if I start on the far left board, I should not use that same breaking point, or does it? Thanks
Only problem is determining actually how far down the lane the ball hooked. It's not very easy to tell where the 38 ft, 40 ft, 42 ft, 44 ft, etc. distance is from the foul line. The range finder marks might help.
By watching this video, seems to me that the end of the range finder marks are @45 ft. So my guess is to go to Brunswick house and test out that drill there. But also ask the bowling Center what the oil pattern length is, and go from there
I think they are saying 14 is the target, give or take a board left or right. And that you would have to eyeball on your shot during warm-ups to see the result.
The oil conditions don't real affect a straight ball. A ball with rotation will be affected by where the oil is or isn't though. Thanks for the question!
Something important to note is that breakpoint doesnt equal exit point. Breakpoint is usually a bit later than exit point. It’s important to throw the ball slow so that during that first shot, the breakpoint is very close to the exit point so we can just estimate the oil distance based on the breakpoint of a slow shot. But on the shots to come, make sure you use the rule of 31 to determine your exit point not your breakpoint
I find myself confused by the idea of the exit point. It seems that there is the baked in assertion that regardless of your speed, or your ball's layout/hook, it will always start and end its hook in the same place. the exit point would always be the start of the hook, and the pocket the end. but some balls seem to have way more hook than others, and ballspeed certainly seems to factor in how much it will hook within a given distance. Am I missing something?
Shady is a great coach. I've worked with him a few times at my local center. He corrected some things for me I didn't even realize I was doing. It helped relieve pain and inflammation I was getting from improper form. I've never heard about this rule of 31, but it makes sense. I just started bowling in a league at a different center and have been struggling with getting the ball to come back. I'll have to try this next week to see if it can help.
Great info. Could be very useful. Question. My center doesn't have any markings past the arrows, how can I tell if the ball is breaking at 44' 40' or 37'
Same here, one of my league centers doesn't have the markings. Old lanes, gotta guestimate for these. You can divide by quarters, and shoot for 3/4ths down the lane if its a 45 ft pattern for example.
I dealt with that too, I just asked the guy that oils the lanes how long the oil pattern is and which one it was so I knew everything I needed to start figuring out my game.
@@Angela-ht5rp no bowling alley has the 15, 40, or 45 foot markings. This was never a thing in bowling. Find an arrow and aim for that arrow on the lane. We have 7 of those and that’s what everybody has used in the existence of this game
I understand that the markers displayed here in the video will be non-existent in every center I will be in. However, I feel this can be useful tool to start with although you would have to roughly determine the approximate footage. It doesn't hurt to also ask the lane technician how many feet the pattern is either. In any case, the ultimate goal to to focus on where that ball will break - normal house shot conditions will relatively be around the track area. The ball will tell you the story, just apply what you know about how you roll the ball and work off of or adjust to where you'd like to play. Good stuff in the video, IMO...
How not overturned your wrist or your bowling ball? I have been experienced with overturned my wrist or my bowling ball each time I go bowling alley. I used to bowl score is 300 or perfect game at bowling alley when I was a little girl on May 6,1991-December 31,2001.
Ashley over turning the wrist is usually the result of pulling the ball through too hard through the finish. Here's a video for you to check out that will hopefully help a bit with that. th-cam.com/video/452Ela4iyaI/w-d-xo.html
I have learned so much from this video. I am 70 yrs old and so thankful for couch , for his time and sharing with us his great tips and top notch knowledge. So thanks couch.
Very interesting. Will try this tomorrow at league! I am curious, though, is there any difference between wood and synth? I would think no and the rule applies but it wasn't touched on.
BUT there are distance markers! Just have you use your brain a little. The arrows are at 15ft. Then, the dark spots on the lane aren't there by mistake. The first set is located on the 15 and 25 boards starting at 34-feet and ending at 37-feet down lane.The second set is located on the 10 and 30 boards starting at 40-feet and ending at 43-feet down lane.
@@maracellejuha8050 Well arent you special! But that is not noted in the video, If you used youre brain a little he had big signs for distance and no mention of your immaculate expertise. We are all so blessed to have special people like you around to always correct others.
@@Martincwadzzzupdawg You complained that the video didn't provide the information you needed in terms of distance markers. So this guy very helpfully points out that there are alternate distance markers that you could use, only you weren't aware of them before. Did you thank Maracelle for this information that could actually help your bowling? Nope. You hit him with an "Aren't you special" and sarcastically noted his "immaculate expertise". You know what? This is a person trying to help you, but you don't have the humility to learn. If Coach Mac or the entire coaching staff from Kegel showed up at your bowling center to help you, I bet you would say to them, "Well, aren't you special!". With that "I'm too smart to learn from others" attitude, I bet you will be a top flight bowler soon. Really soon.
@@Ironfangzu The video still does not explain the distance as the lanes do not have markers. as for marcella his responce was to "use your brain a little" and his explanation. But again the video does not explain it the way he did. I do not thank sarcasm from anyone, but useful information is always welcome. You yourself have not provided any useful information just condemnation, so it is of no more value than anyone elses, And you are welcome.
Range finder marks are 34-37 feet at board 15 “useless” and second range finders are 40-43 feet at board 10 very useful because 40 minus 31 it’s 9 almost the tip of the range finder. I don’t know why the first range finders are at board 15! should be 34-37 but on board 5, or even better yet they should be diagonal to the inside so they always mark the exact place of the minus 31 rule I think that bowling lanes have also marks by looking at gutters they have 4 gutters spaced at 10 feet each. The lesson is very good if you can somehow tell how far in numbers it’s the end of the pattern and with time I’m guessing you can know for sure where 36-39-43 etc are on the lane. If you don’t have the marks and you just ask the lane operators the length of the oil then it’s pretty useless to throw a shot like that just place the ball at the board minus 31 the total length of the pattern
Wow this instantly taught me a lot. I remember being at some crappy ally and get throwing gutters and couldn't understand why my ball was curving so soon and going in the gutter.
I did something very similar to this 30 years ago. Normal approach, slow side. Swing across the lane to see when it made the move. Sometimes it went straight to the channel. Even that tells a lot. Another great video, Coach Mike!
Good stuff...Been Doing it since high school...helps vastly!....But, you also need to know that you threw a quality shot after the fact...bad shot= bad read. Aka. "I hit the pocket...why didn't I strike?..."
That help alot thanku for explaining that 31 rule. It did made a big difference.. wish I learn that 30yrs ago. Who knows were my bowling career would of went.. thanku again.. keep the TRNG SESSIONS GOING.. THEY R A GREAT HELP.. RICK..😊
I’ve never heard of this and I’ve been bowling for 17 years. What is 31? Where did that value come from? Any mathematician would listen to this and throw it out the window or at least ask, where and how you came up with this formula and what is 31. I hope nobody listens to this
So once you determine the break point by rolling slow down the middle and -31, how do you know where to stand afterwards and how do you know which arrow to aim for?
That depends heavily on your style of bowling. Your path to that breakpoint is up to you - this video is helping you learn where that breakpoint is. So if you are a straighter bowler with very little curve, you'll be standing further right but you'd still be aiming at the same breakpoint as if you were a bowler that stands left and hooks the ball across the whole lane. The breakpoint is the same, but how you attack it is up to you.
What I usually suggest to figure out where to stand and aim for, is if you’re a righty, stand on the second dot to the left from the middle. Aim for the second arrow over from the right on the lane (you aim by just looking at the arrow as you throw, but make sure you throw straight forward and don’t pull it to the side as you throw) if the ball goes left of the pocket, move left. If it goes too far right, move right. Try moving a board at a time with your placement foot, unless it’s severely off, then move however many boards you’d like until you find your sweet spot. Then for spares, depending on if you need the ball to go left, you move a few boards right depending on how far left you’d like it to go. If you need it to go right, move left. Then for getting a 10 pin down, stand as far left as you can and aim for the middle arrow. I usually throw the ball very fast when trying to get a 10 pin because that causes less hook. Basically if you have a fingertip ball and not a regular house ball, moving right causes it to hook more left, and moving left causes it to hook more to the right. Hope this helps even tho it’s a year late lol also if you’re a lefty, switch the standing position and arrow placement but everything else still works.
Here’s another idea... go last in practice and guess the break is at 17, 14 or 11 because why would a house pattern be anything other than close to that? As the video said it’s going to be plus or - 3 boards… Well it’s not gonna be at five and it’s not gonna be a 25… It’s going to be consistent ... it’s going to be close to the same every single time so all you have to do it’s observe the others, make a guess each time and verify or adjust it with the next bowler. Have you ever in your life rolled on a regular lane where are your regular setup shot missed the pocket missed the pocket by more than half a pin? Ever see a group of people your your league complaining about the oil in a lane?
Does this apply to urethane too or just reactive resin? As someone whom uses a lot of urethane but is still looking to find a faster way to line up i'd like to know, i can line up but not in one shot
Hey Coach Shady and Mike... Good tip on your first practice throw on league nights or on a tournament... will use it tonight on week two of summer league. :)
@@jaywalsh1329 jojo is right. I work at a bowling center and they post after. Iowa Midwest open. Plaza bowl if you don’t believe me. And I’ve also bowled for 5 years now and it’s been posted after for all 5 years I’ve bowled
No, The exit point formula is from a Joe Slowinski article and is based on Neil Stremmel's article, Entry Angle, Part 3: USBC Research Shows Where Your Ball Should Be to Achieve the Best Angle. Where Stremmel shares data from USBC research on points that maximize 4, 5 and 6 degrees of entry angle. In a nut shell, Stremmel discovered that the exit point was the same for all players regardless of style. For example, to maximize pocket percentage, high speed and high rev players had the same exit point as low speed and low rev players. True, the high speed and high rev players had a breakpoint further down the lane due to the length of the ball push past the pattern caused by presence of both speed and revs. But, the ultimate exit point was the same. FYI: 1: The Exit Point formula doesn't tell you where the breakpoint is, just where the ball should exit the pattern. 2: It doesn't work properly for very short patterns. Ex. 31' pattern exit point is in the gutter (Board 0) 3: It doesn't necessarily work properly on house shot's (THS).
@@bowl1820 yeah, THS people don't realize that it's not as flat, and furthur right you get, the further right your exit point can move. So it's dynamic in a way.
The title is fake. This gives you the breakpoint in 1 throw, not get lined up. If you know the length you don't even need that 1 shot. But getting lined up means finding the right ball, release point etc. to get from that break point to the pocket. This video does not show how to get lined up AT ALL!
I didn't like his semantics for basically the backend where he's saying that's where the ball starts to hook. I suppose you can simply the language to speak to non-bowlers, but this ignores the hook phase in the Skid, hook, and roll phases of when the ball is actually doing what...
Recently started bowling again (5 years off-change to night shift) and am bowling at a different center than where I bought my balls and had them drilled. The owner of the new center told me his lanes are synthetic and my balls are for the real wood lanes at my previous place. Is this legit or is he working to sell me new balls? Thanks!
That will depend on lots of variables but generally you would tend to move further to the inside with feet and target as the oil pattern starts breaking down. Thanks for the question!
Thanks for the great video, my challenge is the release. No hook, no rev. I follow some of the videos on this subject but don't seem to connect with them. Any chance you might have one focussed on that?
Yes it could help you to be in a bit of a stronger position even with a backup ball by trying to get the fingers a bit lower on the ball through the release as Marshall described. Good luck and thanks for watching!
Nice. I'll just lay down a strip of electrical tape at the break point and hope I can survive the beating I'll get from the other bowlers on my pair. I hope they don't break my fingers or I'll have to become a two-handed.
Thanks guys. Getting back to bowling on a league. Trying to find the pattern to hook my ball. Sometimes it goes left. Is that my wrist or not following through
We don't have 15, 35 and 45 feet markers on the lanes. When we throw slowly how can we know fairly accurately if it breaks at 45 or 41 or 37 etc to subtract from? Thx.
Run up to the desk. Demand that the lanes get oiled. Go grab a snack and count to 10,000 while breathing in on every 5 seconds, then breathing out for 7. Call your loved ones, tell them you love them. Then watch an online Rocky montage to get pumped up while also listening to Jock Jams for the remainder of the time. Then when the lanes are oiled, you will no longer have to deal with immediate hook before the arrows. Good luck!
@@matthewrichards6889 they show spinning the ball down lane and see where it turns at. Ok if the lane doesn't have the down lane markers, how can u tell how long the pattern is?
@@pana6679 Ask if you can measure the closest gutter cover, then count the number of gutter covers, or portion thereof, to where the ball starts to move. It's a guess, but usually fairly close!
That's exactly what you do. You should be able to get an idea from knowing the depth and length of a lane and where your ball changes direction. Maybe ask your local bowling center if you could be on one of the end lanes and try to guess their house shot length by watching and measuring the distance.
I've been bowling for 30+ years and I'm just now learning this? Why are so many tips on bowling such a huge secret?
I decided to finally take my game to the next level and half the time I google ANYTHING in regards to advanced tips in
bowling I always land on a page where I'm expected to pay a monthly/yearly subscription fee just to learn more?
great advice. thanks for this video. I was wondering what if it moves at 15, then I will get -15!!
I love that video but does it matter what boards I am starting from? Is it no matter what but if I hit that 45 - 31 board, that is right. Surely if I start on the far left board, I should not use that same breaking point, or does it? Thanks
Only problem is determining actually how far down the lane the ball hooked. It's not very easy to tell where the 38 ft, 40 ft, 42 ft, 44 ft, etc. distance is from the foul line. The range finder marks might help.
Exactly my first thought. We don't have those convenient markers on the lanes like they do in this video.
Most of the time tournaments post the pattern. If it's your league shot, ask the bowling center for the length of the house pattern.
@@kevinbourne3017 AMF Lanes don't have those range finder marks. Brunswick lanes have them
By watching this video, seems to me that the end of the range finder marks are @45 ft.
So my guess is to go to Brunswick house and test out that drill there. But also ask the bowling Center what the oil pattern length is, and go from there
The marks will help, you can Google the marks depth on the lane and it will tell you front to back what part of which mark = how many feet.
Question, So if your ball starts hooking on bd 14 at 45 feet mark, then where should your target be?
I think they are saying 14 is the target, give or take a board left or right. And that you would have to eyeball on your shot during warm-ups to see the result.
What if you don’t have a hook?
The oil conditions don't real affect a straight ball. A ball with rotation will be affected by where the oil is or isn't though. Thanks for the question!
I am 76. It takes me all practice time to try to loosen up to throw the ball
"much more easy" >:(
;)
So interesting! What about knowing where to stand on the lane and which arrow to look at once the exit point is determined?
Something important to note is that breakpoint doesnt equal exit point. Breakpoint is usually a bit later than exit point. It’s important to throw the ball slow so that during that first shot, the breakpoint is very close to the exit point so we can just estimate the oil distance based on the breakpoint of a slow shot. But on the shots to come, make sure you use the rule of 31 to determine your exit point not your breakpoint
The editing on this series is very good. Great job guys
Thanks so much! We really appreciate it.
I find myself confused by the idea of the exit point. It seems that there is the baked in assertion that regardless of your speed, or your ball's layout/hook, it will always start and end its hook in the same place.
the exit point would always be the start of the hook, and the pocket the end.
but some balls seem to have way more hook than others, and ballspeed certainly seems to factor in how much it will hook within a given distance.
Am I missing something?
Shady is a great coach. I've worked with him a few times at my local center. He corrected some things for me I didn't even realize I was doing. It helped relieve pain and inflammation I was getting from improper form. I've never heard about this rule of 31, but it makes sense. I just started bowling in a league at a different center and have been struggling with getting the ball to come back. I'll have to try this next week to see if it can help.
Great info. Could be very useful. Question. My center doesn't have any markings past the arrows, how can I tell if the ball is breaking at 44' 40' or 37'
Same here, one of my league centers doesn't have the markings. Old lanes, gotta guestimate for these. You can divide by quarters, and shoot for 3/4ths down the lane if its a 45 ft pattern for example.
I dealt with that too, I just asked the guy that oils the lanes how long the oil pattern is and which one it was so I knew everything I needed to start figuring out my game.
@@Angela-ht5rp no bowling alley has the 15, 40, or 45 foot markings. This was never a thing in bowling. Find an arrow and aim for that arrow on the lane. We have 7 of those and that’s what everybody has used in the existence of this game
@@stevendefeo8424 right team USA coach isn’t giving any good advice
I understand that the markers displayed here in the video will be non-existent in every center I will be in. However, I feel this can be useful tool to start with although you would have to roughly determine the approximate footage.
It doesn't hurt to also ask the lane technician how many feet the pattern is either. In any case, the ultimate goal to to focus on where that ball will break - normal house shot conditions will relatively be around the track area. The ball will tell you the story, just apply what you know about how you roll the ball and work off of or adjust to where you'd like to play. Good stuff in the video, IMO...
How not overturned your wrist or your bowling ball? I have been experienced with overturned my wrist or my bowling ball each time I go bowling alley. I used to bowl score is 300 or perfect game at bowling alley when I was a little girl on May 6,1991-December 31,2001.
Ashley over turning the wrist is usually the result of pulling the ball through too hard through the finish. Here's a video for you to check out that will hopefully help a bit with that. th-cam.com/video/452Ela4iyaI/w-d-xo.html
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I have learned so much from this video.
I am 70 yrs old and so thankful for couch , for his time and sharing with us his great tips and top notch knowledge.
So thanks couch.
Very interesting. Will try this tomorrow at league! I am curious, though, is there any difference between wood and synth? I would think no and the rule applies but it wasn't touched on.
Even on a wood lane, this method should help you to see the end of the oil pattern. Thanks for watching!
In the lanes I bowl on there are no distance markers so no way to use the "31" formula, so it is all guess work anyway.
BUT there are distance markers! Just have you use your brain a little. The arrows are at 15ft. Then, the dark spots on the lane aren't there by mistake. The first set is located on the 15 and 25 boards starting at 34-feet and ending at 37-feet down lane.The second set is located on the 10 and 30 boards starting at 40-feet and ending at 43-feet down lane.
@@maracellejuha8050 Well arent you special! But that is not noted in the video, If you used youre brain a little he had big signs for distance and no mention of your immaculate expertise. We are all so blessed to have special people like you around to always correct others.
@@Martincwadzzzupdawg You complained that the video didn't provide the information you needed in terms of distance markers. So this guy very helpfully points out that there are alternate distance markers that you could use, only you weren't aware of them before. Did you thank Maracelle for this information that could actually help your bowling? Nope. You hit him with an "Aren't you special" and sarcastically noted his "immaculate expertise". You know what? This is a person trying to help you, but you don't have the humility to learn. If Coach Mac or the entire coaching staff from Kegel showed up at your bowling center to help you, I bet you would say to them, "Well, aren't you special!". With that "I'm too smart to learn from others" attitude, I bet you will be a top flight bowler soon. Really soon.
@@Ironfangzu The video still does not explain the distance as the lanes do not have markers. as for marcella his responce was to "use your brain a little" and his explanation. But again the video does not explain it the way he did. I do not thank sarcasm from anyone, but useful information is always welcome.
You yourself have not provided any useful information just condemnation, so it is of no more value than anyone elses, And you are welcome.
@@Ironfangzu understood now you want the special designation, walk proud with your new self awarded trophy.
And then let your ball be your guide...miss left, move left....miss right, move right (your feet)...about 3-4 boards for every pin width of miss
Range finder marks are 34-37 feet at board 15 “useless” and second range finders are 40-43 feet at board 10 very useful because 40 minus 31 it’s 9 almost the tip of the range finder. I don’t know why the first range finders are at board 15! should be 34-37 but on board 5, or even better yet they should be diagonal to the inside so they always mark the exact place of the minus 31 rule
I think that bowling lanes have also marks by looking at gutters they have 4 gutters spaced at 10 feet each.
The lesson is very good if you can somehow tell how far in numbers it’s the end of the pattern and with time I’m guessing you can know for sure where 36-39-43 etc are on the lane.
If you don’t have the marks and you just ask the lane operators the length of the oil then it’s pretty useless to throw a shot like that just place the ball at the board minus 31 the total length of the pattern
thank u. I remember picking that up somewhere and kinda forgot it thru the yrs good job coach
Wow this instantly taught me a lot. I remember being at some crappy ally and get throwing gutters and couldn't understand why my ball was curving so soon and going in the gutter.
I did something very similar to this 30 years ago. Normal approach, slow side. Swing across the lane to see when it made the move. Sometimes it went straight to the channel. Even that tells a lot.
Another great video, Coach Mike!
Good stuff...Been Doing it since high school...helps vastly!....But, you also need to know that you threw a quality shot after the fact...bad shot= bad read. Aka. "I hit the pocket...why didn't I strike?..."
I don’t know if this will help but I was told that when they install the gutters they are in 15’ sections so I kinda go by that
That help alot thanku for explaining that 31 rule. It did made a big difference.. wish I learn that 30yrs ago. Who knows were my bowling career would of went.. thanku again.. keep the TRNG SESSIONS GOING.. THEY R A GREAT HELP.. RICK..😊
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I’ve never heard of this and I’ve been bowling for 17 years. What is 31? Where did that value come from? Any mathematician would listen to this and throw it out the window or at least ask, where and how you came up with this formula and what is 31. I hope nobody listens to this
YOUR FUCKING INSANE I HAVE TRIED ALL THE MARKS 6 TIMES !!!!!!!!!!!! STILL CAN ONLY BOWL 125 I THINK THEY PUT DAMN GLUE DOWN WHEN I AM BOWLING !!!!
That’s good tip but I couldn’t tell the distance because the centers that I’m bowling with does not have those markers beyond the arrows.
The reflection of the bottom of the masking unit is usually around the 40 foot mark. That's one way to try to estimate the length.
But the proprietor or the lane man knows the length of the patterns applied.
@@Monk-Amani. But they are not always willing to share. Worth asking though.
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So once you determine the break point by rolling slow down the middle and -31, how do you know where to stand afterwards and how do you know which arrow to aim for?
That depends heavily on your style of bowling. Your path to that breakpoint is up to you - this video is helping you learn where that breakpoint is. So if you are a straighter bowler with very little curve, you'll be standing further right but you'd still be aiming at the same breakpoint as if you were a bowler that stands left and hooks the ball across the whole lane. The breakpoint is the same, but how you attack it is up to you.
What I usually suggest to figure out where to stand and aim for, is if you’re a righty, stand on the second dot to the left from the middle. Aim for the second arrow over from the right on the lane (you aim by just looking at the arrow as you throw, but make sure you throw straight forward and don’t pull it to the side as you throw) if the ball goes left of the pocket, move left. If it goes too far right, move right. Try moving a board at a time with your placement foot, unless it’s severely off, then move however many boards you’d like until you find your sweet spot. Then for spares, depending on if you need the ball to go left, you move a few boards right depending on how far left you’d like it to go. If you need it to go right, move left. Then for getting a 10 pin down, stand as far left as you can and aim for the middle arrow. I usually throw the ball very fast when trying to get a 10 pin because that causes less hook. Basically if you have a fingertip ball and not a regular house ball, moving right causes it to hook more left, and moving left causes it to hook more to the right. Hope this helps even tho it’s a year late lol also if you’re a lefty, switch the standing position and arrow placement but everything else still works.
Here’s another idea... go last in practice and guess the break is at 17, 14 or 11 because why would a house pattern be anything other than close to that? As the video said it’s going to be plus or - 3 boards… Well it’s not gonna be at five and it’s not gonna be a 25… It’s going to be consistent ... it’s going to be close to the same every single time so all you have to do it’s observe the others, make a guess each time and verify or adjust it with the next bowler.
Have you ever in your life rolled on a regular lane where are your regular setup shot missed the pocket missed the pocket by more than half a pin? Ever see a group of people your your league complaining about the oil in a lane?
This is more for sport (flatter/tougher) patterns. Still can be used on house, but house is typically much more forgiving.
Does this apply to urethane too or just reactive resin? As someone whom uses a lot of urethane but is still looking to find a faster way to line up i'd like to know, i can line up but not in one shot
I'm assuming, you could still throw that test ball with an attempt to hit the pocket? Just watch where it breaks?
How do you determine where the 40 or 45 foot area is when you start practice for league bowling.
So when you get what board your ball starts turning at ..which board do you release it from to get at that board down the lane?
Using the 31 method a d since I throw on the dots where would I stand and where would I throw?
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Hey Coach Shady and Mike... Good tip on your first practice throw on league nights or on a tournament... will use it tonight on week two of summer league. :)
Thanks so much!
Even better idea, don't be the first one to throw a practice shot, and see where the other person's exit point is.
45-31=14. What is the point of entrance?
How does that formula work for a left handed bowler?
he makes it sound easy to throw the ball down the middle hahahahaha
Then goes on and throws a strike that breaks at the 7 board...
"well imma stop talking" *while he starts talking*
Definitely going to try this at my next practice.
If there’s a next practice am I right
@@famlitfamskitt2612 : Hasn't been one in Michigan since Mid-March. Governor says September 4.
Murder.
Great video. I take it for a left handed bowler you still apply this rule and make it distance - 31 starting from the left gutter?
Yes that is correct!
I'm at nob hill. I get on soon as I'm done
I just ask the owner. he bowls on my night. "how far did you oil today."
How does that work when you are bowling in the open championships? Lol
@@jojoramsey6489 They post the patterns for those.
Um... I am guessing it's been a few years since you have been there. They post them after everybody's done. Like when the tournament is done
@@jaywalsh1329 jojo is right. I work at a bowling center and they post after. Iowa Midwest open. Plaza bowl if you don’t believe me. And I’ve also bowled for 5 years now and it’s been posted after for all 5 years I’ve bowled
@@jojoramsey6489 .
I did this at the Kegel training center doing the fowl line roll, my ball was in the gutter at 35 feet which was the lesson
Foul* - just trying to help!
So that means the break point is 4 boards from right side (35 -31 =4 ) ,then the oil pattern is short ?
@@stevothegreat don't remember the pattern but it was tough, one board left or right was a miss
Then, the 'exit point' may be different for bowlers who have different rev rates, speeds, and even ball weights?
No,
The exit point formula is from a Joe Slowinski article and is based on Neil Stremmel's article, Entry Angle, Part 3: USBC Research Shows Where Your Ball Should Be to Achieve the Best Angle. Where Stremmel shares data from USBC research on points that maximize 4, 5 and 6 degrees of entry angle.
In a nut shell, Stremmel discovered that the exit point was the same for all
players regardless of style. For example, to maximize pocket percentage, high
speed and high rev players had the same exit point as low speed and low rev
players. True, the high speed and high rev players had a breakpoint further
down the lane due to the length of the ball push past the pattern caused by
presence of both speed and revs. But, the ultimate exit point was the same.
FYI:
1: The Exit Point formula doesn't tell you where the breakpoint is, just where the ball should exit the pattern.
2: It doesn't work properly for very short patterns. Ex. 31' pattern exit point is in the gutter (Board 0)
3: It doesn't necessarily work properly on house shot's (THS).
@@bowl1820 yeah, THS people don't realize that it's not as flat, and furthur right you get, the further right your exit point can move. So it's dynamic in a way.
Wow! That is incredible insight. Thanks for sharing!!!
Glad you enjoyed it!
The title is fake. This gives you the breakpoint in 1 throw, not get lined up. If you know the length you don't even need that 1 shot. But getting lined up means finding the right ball, release point etc. to get from that break point to the pocket. This video does not show how to get lined up AT ALL!
I didn't like his semantics for basically the backend where he's saying that's where the ball starts to hook. I suppose you can simply the language to speak to non-bowlers, but this ignores the hook phase in the Skid, hook, and roll phases of when the ball is actually doing what...
XLNT TIP--NEVER BEEN TOLD THIS
How does the rule of 31 come into effect when a patter is 15 feet?
Explain that please.
That's when you bust out with the Wii-sports move on the 91-pin frame and ride the side of the lane!
Does every lane have a marker for the distance for using the Rule of 31? Or are we just ballparking length?
Recently started bowling again (5 years off-change to night shift) and am bowling at a different center than where I bought my balls and had them drilled. The owner of the new center told me his lanes are synthetic and my balls are for the real wood lanes at my previous place. Is this legit or is he working to sell me new balls? Thanks!
Oil this oil that blah blah blah
Thus is good info BUT how do u adjust as the oil changes?
That will depend on lots of variables but generally you would tend to move further to the inside with feet and target as the oil pattern starts breaking down. Thanks for the question!
So should I bring a tape measurer?? How can I know what 45 ft from the foul line is??
Thanks for the great video, my challenge is the release. No hook, no rev. I follow some of the videos on this subject but don't seem to connect with them. Any chance you might have one focussed on that?
Thanks for watching. We'll have one coming. Work on the foul line release drill.
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I throw a backup ball, will this work for me?
Yes it could help you to be in a bit of a stronger position even with a backup ball by trying to get the fingers a bit lower on the ball through the release as Marshall described. Good luck and thanks for watching!
Nice. I'll just lay down a strip of electrical tape at the break point and hope I can survive the beating I'll get from the other bowlers on my pair. I hope they don't break my fingers or I'll have to become a two-handed.
Thank you very much,very help and I needed this!!!
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Thanks guys. Getting back to bowling on a league. Trying to find the pattern to hook my ball. Sometimes it goes left. Is that my wrist or not following through
We don't have 15, 35 and 45 feet markers on the lanes. When we throw slowly how can we know fairly accurately if it breaks at 45 or 41 or 37 etc to subtract from? Thx.
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Hi I just started bowling for a league and I have a few questions and some tips.
The only problem is that I don't know of any bowling alley that has signs up next to the lane showing the distance of the exit point.
My wrist starts hurting durning bowling, what causes that? Can changing the way the ball is drilled help? What can i do?
What if it hooks immediately before it gets to arrows?
Run up to the desk. Demand that the lanes get oiled. Go grab a snack and count to 10,000 while breathing in on every 5 seconds, then breathing out for 7. Call your loved ones, tell them you love them. Then watch an online Rocky montage to get pumped up while also listening to Jock Jams for the remainder of the time. Then when the lanes are oiled, you will no longer have to deal with immediate hook before the arrows. Good luck!
I rarely comment on videos but I must say this was tremendously helpful, thank you!
How can u tell how long the pattern is without measuring to be able to -31?
What do you mean? You don’t find the pattern length w the rule of 31, that’d be impossible
@@matthewrichards6889 they show spinning the ball down lane and see where it turns at. Ok if the lane doesn't have the down lane markers, how can u tell how long the pattern is?
educated guess
@@pana6679 Ask if you can measure the closest gutter cover, then count the number of gutter covers, or portion thereof, to where the ball starts to move. It's a guess, but usually fairly close!
If they won't let you measure it, ask them what it is!!
How about some tips for Left-Handed Bowlers? Thanks
Is there a tip to use if they don't disclose the pattern or the length? Do you just spin it and see when the ball takes off?
That's exactly what you do. You should be able to get an idea from knowing the depth and length of a lane and where your ball changes direction. Maybe ask your local bowling center if you could be on one of the end lanes and try to guess their house shot length by watching and measuring the distance.
@@insidebowling thank you.
Yes spot bowling.
how does this rule works with meters and cm i am from europe got no idea how feet work and stuff.
So if the breakpoint is 30 ft and you subtrack 31 you need to be in the gutter at 30 feet.
I am in a league at a 120 year old bowling with hand oiled lanes so it changes lane to lane and week to week haha
Without the markers how would you know where 40, 42 or 45 is?
How fast is the speed of the ball when looking for that breakpoint?
Great tip!
Facts important how you line up before you release 💯
Was this filmed at rolling Meadows in Erie pa?
Very good information thanks for sharing, #PEACE ✌🏿🎳
i need to try this, i want to get my first 200 game 500 series this season sometime.
I like to know how this equation works with spare balls
High Mike.
From Lincoln NE.
How do I do this on a dry lane
You don't.
Love your bowling videos!!
You dont have markes on the lanes to tell you where the oil ends ,
How does that work on Short Oil?
Same.
David leadbetter of bowling
Needed this!