The floating chamber was invented by David Marshall Williams. AKA Carbine Williams. He also help design the the M1 Carbine rifle. Jimmy Stewart was in a movie about him called Carbine Williams.
It is my understanding that David Williams worked on the Winchester prototype .30-06 rifle i.e., NOT the M1 Carbine. Hollywood can rarely be trusted to tell the truth, just look at the Sergeant Yorke movie.
I love the beauty of a 22lr turn bolt but I've yet to experience how pleasant 22 short must be. Immediately impressed by all the great rifles you have.
Hey Mike, It’s me again. Another fine educational and entertaining video. My father hunted squirrels and rabbits with a bolt action open sight single shot 22 that he managed to obtain as a teenager in the middle of the depression. I think about 1934. He only used 22 Shorts. Saw no need for Longs or Long Rifles. Much to my disappointment 😢 by the time I was a teenager. Dad started me with that gun when I was five years old, now over 66 years ago. Here’s a couple of FYI’s for those who aren’t old gun nuts like me: The M3 45 ACP sub machine gun from WWII aka M3 Grease Gun fired from an open bolt. The floating chamber was invented by David Marshall Williams (1900-1975) aka “Carbine Williams” while serving time for second degree murder in a North Carolina prison for killing a sheriff’s deputy who was raiding his moonshine still. He is better known for his design of the rotating bolt operating system of the M1 carbine also during his prison stay. There’s lots of stuff about him on the internet including the movie about him starring Jimmy Stewart. The Winchester Model 50 semi-auto shotgun used a floating chamber. I had one of the light weight 12 gauge versions of those back in the early 1970’s. It was ok for pheasant or quail hunting but not so good for when you might be shooting a lot of shots in a short time like for doves or trap shooting. I couldn’t get through a box of shells before it would start to jam and need to be cleaned. I was loading with Hi-Skor 700x and Red Dot, so may have had something to do with how much residue those powders left. I couldn’t afford factory ammo so I’ll never know. I traded it for something else and never looked back. Happy hunting boys and girls!😊
My dad has a Rem 550. It was the first firearm I ever shot. Several decades later, I discovered that it had a floating chamber and could cycle shorts. He was amazed, and now enjoys shooting the 22 short even more than the 22 LR!
Nice rifles. I like the way that Mrs USOG says: ‘that’s great, I like that, can I shoot the rest of these? As if you would dare to say NO😂! Cheers from NZ🇳🇿.
Dad had a Montgomery Ward rifle that shot 22 shorts. The action made more sound than the report. My brother got it after dad passed. Fantastic video on a great lil caliber.
Quite interesting. Marlin 39A can also use 22 shorts, but they are very hard to find. Beretta made the 950 semiauto pistol in 22 short and .25 acp, and some tests have shown the short in a tiny pistol is more potent than most would imagine. Stay well.
When I was a kid we mostly shot 22 shorts but I don't remember high velocity shorts. I have no doubt that they were around but the reason we shot shorts was because they were so cheap. We would use lr if we were hunting, to get a little more reach and umph but just plinking it was 22 shorts
I have a pretty large number of 22 short rounds. I have a Beretta semi pistol that shoots only shorts and, of course, lever and bolt action 22 rifles with tubular magazines typically will cycle 22S, 22L, and 22LR just fine. But, I cannot think of any semi auto rifles I have that will cycle 22S. I need to take a fresh look to be sure. Fun video! A lot of shooters poo poo 22s, so your enthusiasm is a terrific counterweight.
Thank you for the video and the reminder about how much fun I used to have with .22 short rifles. A couple of rifles chambered in .22 short that sometimes get overlooked are the Winchester gallery guns and the Browning SA. I'm going to be on the hunt for one of the open bolt rifles you are using in this video, very cool design.
I enjoy 22 short. While hunting small game it is powerful enough harvest game. Yet quiet enough that the surrounding wildlife is not disturbed. My Marlin 39A Mountie cycles them well.
I inherited quite a few rounds of 22 Short. In my BL-22 lever action they make for a lot of fun and fast plinking with the short lever throw. Thanks for sharing Mike. 🙏
I forgot about the BL-22 - I have the Micro Midas - should have filmed it with .22 shorts - that's a dream .22. Thanks for the reminder. I guess I was stuck on semi autos that day. All the best.
You always have the most unique rifles. I myself have a Marlin Model 50 and Winchester Model 55. They both fire from an open bolt. Oh, 22 shorts are more expensive and very hard to find in my neck of the woods.Thanks!
I've craved a 22 short only rifle off and on for years now. A few years ago I was searching used guns for sale online and found a minty FN version of the Browning SA in 22 short only. I believe it was $450-500, or thereabouts. I had the $$, but wasn't exactly flush, so I kept checking inventory, hoping they'd mark it down a bit, until it was gone! I still kick myself over that one. Great content; I believed you've motivated me to start my search again!
Nice video. Thanks for some great memories. Is that Remington marked "Model 551" or "Model 550-1"? I don't recall a "Model 551". They also made a Model 552 that handled shorts, longs and long rifles, but it was WAY out of the price ball park for ranch families in my rural area. When I was a kid (early 60s) .22 shorts were cheaper than long rifle ammo. As I recall they were about 40 cents a box/50 and long rifles were about 55 cents/50. That was a big 15 cents for a kid. The state law at the time (there were no federal laws on ammo sales until 1968) allowed us to buy ammo if we had our parent's permission and my Dad had signed a permission card with the local hardware store. When we bought ammo, if the clerk didn't know us as regular customers, they would get out the file box and look for the index card with our name and parent's signature. We had no ID, of course, so the clerk (if they didn't know us) would ask us to recite the address and phone number on the card. I had a Remington Model 511 "Scoremaster" bolt action, magazine rifle. It handled .22 shorts, longs or long rifles, but had just a 5 shot magazine. My best friend had the holy grail of boys in the early 60s...A Remington Model 550-1 semi-auto! A semi-auto that actually functioned perfectly with .22 shorts and held nearly HALF a box of ammo in its magazine! I used my Remington 511 to train all my sons to shoot, and then bought them their own .22 rifles. I had the Model 511 in my safe until just 2 years ago. It had become my wife's rifle and when she got interested in something more precise, she bought a CZ457 "At-One" and we gave the Model 511 to our oldest grandson for his 12th Christmas. I put a new Leupold scope on it to replace the 1950s vintage Weaver 4X. It is still providing good service to our family. We had .22 longs at the time also and they were a little more expensive than even the Long Rifle cartridges. I recall about 60 cents/50. So we rarely bought those because...WHY? 🤷♂ Longs have pretty much vanished. I haven't seen any in years, except "CB Longs" which aren't the same thing. And even .22 shorts are pretty rare now and cost more than Long Rifle ammo.
Thanks for this interesting video. Will be using both my Browning 22s for grouse this season. The Miroku SA shoots shorts only and the FN pump shoots all three sizes. Wishing you well Mike and have a nice weekend:)
I use shorts or standard velocity Long Rifle in my levers and pump .22's. My favorite is the Aguila Super Sniper Subsonic. A 60 grain bullet on top of a 22 shoet case.
I love using 22 shorts from either a single shot or tube fed, like the Henry lever action or old Remington 572 pump. CCI still makes both the 1105 fps hollow-points, which are quite zesty at around 70 ft-lbs energy, and the super quiet 710 fps CBs (only about 30 ft-lb). It's one of the reasons I recommend the Henry 22s. Perfect for quiet plinking or small game, though they are more expensive than bulk 22LR for sure. It's funny too, after shooting a bunch of CB shorts, the high velocity 22LR suddenly sound powerful!
I've had a fetish for old .22's for quite a while. I have a modest collection of rimfire rifles that are all .22 short, long, or long rifle; some of which fire only short, long, or long rifle. I believe it was remington that had the first American rimfire rifle that could take all 3 rounds interchangeably. Probably Pederson but I'm not sure! I didn't bother with the .22 WMR because I wasn't sure how long the ammo would be available. I have al the Winchester models from 1885 onward and many of the Marlins, Remingtons, and Savages. My advice to anyone buying these is if it has a detachable magazine, make sure you get one or more with the rifle as some are very scarce and hard to find as well as expensive these days. Hard to believe that the little 5 & 10 round Winchester mags go for $50-75 now! All of these from 1885-1972 are wood and steel and I let the grandkids shoot all of them!
I think it's interesting that it didn't have to be called the short when it came out in the mid 1800s because it was original and there was nothing longer.
The tube magazine is great for shorts as it increases capacity, whereas stack or rotary magazines get no advantage. CB shorts are generally quieter than air rifles, but that solid bullet packs more punch than a pellet.
When I was a teenager in high school, in the fall afternoons I was in hell with a broken back till school was out. There was a drugstore nearby that sold Remington Rocket Packs of 25 .22 shorts. They cost only a quarter. From about 3:30 till dark I could go into the woods and hunt squirrels. It was heaven on earth for me. There was a cemetery nearby, also and I used to hunt squirrels near the grave of the famous Mountain Man Jim Bridger. The soft report of the shorts kept me from getting caught or found out. I was a sneaky little scamp.
FWIW, open bolt semi-autos are no longer allowed in the USA. The BATF says they are too easy to covert to full auto. Probably unconstitutionally, but that never stopped the ATF.
Oh dear Mike, how could you omit the FN Semi Auto in this vlog ? Some old versions do only work on Shorts, Long Rifle cannot pass by the curb between tube and bolt.
Interestingly, because of the case capacity of the 22lr is barely used to accomplish the velocity of the bullet, a 22 short can be loaded to match the ballistics of a 22lr. I grew up with a Model 1906 Winchester (variant of the Model 1890) which was referred to as a "carnival gun" because the shooting galleries in carnivals used to use them. And yes I am old enough to have shot in those old galleries also. (My how times have changed)
When I was growing up in Iowa in the early to mid 1960’s they had shooting galleries at the state fair. They used some small pump action 22 with shorts. The attendant loaded the rifles. They also had shooting galleries that featured what I believe to be original Thompson sub machine guns converted to pneumatic operation firing BB’s . They had an air hose connected to the bottom of the receiver. They were heavy as Hell compared to those 22’s. Those places took a lot of my hard earned paper route money. 😂
The short can match the velocity of the LR because it's slinging a 29gr projectile, as opposed to the 40gr projectile of the standard LR. This results in substantially less energy, but still plenty for squirrel, rabbit, or head-shot gamebirds. No 22 short could never match the 40gr velocity of even a "standard velocity" LR; I don't believe shorts were ever loaded with 40gr projectiles. They're perfect, though, for what they are.
Excellent review my friend. I'm very fond of the .22 short also. Several years ago I was squirrel hunting in a creek bottom in East Texas. I was using a Remington 514 bolt action single shot I've owned since I was a boy. I was sitting next to a pen oak tree with bushes around it and was able to quietly take six squirrels out of a beach tree that they were using as a den. My 514 has a very long barrel and is very quiet with shorts. God bless you my friend.
The GEVARM: French. In the not so old days, you could purchase in France silencers which were not screwed upon, but with a bayonet kind of of locking. Typical for take downs, going on poaching .
I wish that would be legal in Hungary to buy semi auto rimfires for hunting. You have to understand the big why first. Without a good reason - must be either hunting or sports shooting (serious requirements for the latter) - you cannot buy a firearm (except muzzle loaders, but cannot buy gunpowder and percussion caps without license only the gun itself). The typical "just for fun" is not a good reason here. Self defense is also not a good reason, except when/if you are a "very important person", but that is politics and better leave alone this topic. So hunting is the more simple way to get a firearm. You do your hunting course and exam, pay the annual "hunting ticket", and you can own and keep at home your firearm. You do not have to belong any "hunting companies" or "hunting parties", as it is an extremely expensive thing. You may can go to hunt if you have a friend in some of the companies and you get invited. You pay your one offs, and that's it. You do not even have to hunt at all, just pay the annual ticket. That's it. But you cannot have any handgun, any semi auto rifle, any firearm having shorter barrel than 45cm (just a barely shorter than 18", so an 18" barrel rifle is fine to have for hunting here). The sports shooting gives you more room to choose firearms - semi autos, handguns, pump action and semi auto shotguns with more than 2 rounds in the magazine - but having way much headache until you make your way to keep some, and even after that. Much strict psychiatric examinations, longer waiting lists (actually you have to have 2 different psychiatric examinations and you have to wait 6 month, or even a year between the two), you have to attend to competitions and have to shoot the requirements (no you do not have to get medal, but you have to show that you able to shoot at some higher level), etc, etc, etc. And unfortunately even .22 Short, Long and Long Rifle semi autos cannot use for hunting. You can hunt with any single shot or repeating rifle just like any big bore ones. But a nice semi auto would be a good tool to shoot jays, magpies, hooded crows, foxes, badgers, raccoons and raccoon dogs and muskrats (these last three even invasive species). How unfortunate...
@Cuccos19 ---> Then call or write your elected representative in the Hungarian government! The Nazis have been gone since spring of 1945, and the Soviets left in '90, or '91. Send him this video showing a man and a woman have fun shooting at targets! Invite your government representative to a shooting range or a hunting trip and teach / show them how to use and like firearms! Shooting is an Olympic sport. Handgun, Rifle and Shotgun. Are there no Hungarians in the Olympic shooting team? Swiss citizens in the Reserve have military rifles and ammo at home in case the nation is invaded. Every sane person should have firearm and ammo at home. The Police can never be everywhere at the same time.
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Another rare sighting of Mrs USOG!
It was a surprise when the scene flipped to her. I was "Huh? Okay, that's pretty good"
Love this channel. Its a nice change to watch a laid back gun channel thats shoots and just discusses the different guns and calibers.
Several years ago I traded 4 dozen eggs for an ammo can full of .22 shorts.
With the prices of eggs today you might have overpayed😜
Oh where are the days of those small scopes , x4, steel tube with clamp mounts…. Nostalgia
The floating chamber was invented by David Marshall Williams. AKA Carbine Williams. He also help design the the M1 Carbine rifle. Jimmy Stewart was in a movie about him called Carbine Williams.
It is my understanding that David Williams worked on the Winchester prototype .30-06 rifle i.e., NOT the M1 Carbine. Hollywood can rarely be trusted to tell the truth, just look at the Sergeant Yorke movie.
I thought I knew quite a bit about rifles but never heard of an open bolt action rifle!!! Great video!!! Very educational!!!!
I love the beauty of a 22lr turn bolt but I've yet to experience how pleasant 22 short must be. Immediately impressed by all the great rifles you have.
You, sir are the Bob Ross of guntubes. Bravo!
Thank you my friend. A great artist and giver; I'm lucky to be compared to him
Hey Mike, It’s me again. Another fine educational and entertaining video. My father hunted squirrels and rabbits with a bolt action open sight single shot 22 that he managed to obtain as a teenager in the middle of the depression. I think about 1934. He only used 22 Shorts. Saw no need for Longs or Long Rifles. Much to my disappointment 😢 by the time I was a teenager. Dad started me with that gun when I was five years old, now over 66 years ago.
Here’s a couple of FYI’s for those who aren’t old gun nuts like me: The M3 45 ACP sub machine gun from WWII aka M3 Grease Gun fired from an open bolt. The floating chamber was invented by David Marshall Williams (1900-1975) aka “Carbine Williams” while serving time for second degree murder in a North Carolina prison for killing a sheriff’s deputy who was raiding his moonshine still. He is better known for his design of the rotating bolt operating system of the M1 carbine also during his prison stay. There’s lots of stuff about him on the internet including the movie about him starring Jimmy Stewart. The Winchester Model 50 semi-auto shotgun used a floating chamber. I had one of the light weight 12 gauge versions of those back in the early 1970’s. It was ok for pheasant or quail hunting but not so good for when you might be shooting a lot of shots in a short time like for doves or trap shooting. I couldn’t get through a box of shells before it would start to jam and need to be cleaned. I was loading with Hi-Skor 700x and Red Dot, so may have had something to do with how much residue those powders left. I couldn’t afford factory ammo so I’ll never know. I traded it for something else and never looked back. Happy hunting boys and girls!😊
My dad has a Rem 550. It was the first firearm I ever shot. Several decades later, I discovered that it had a floating chamber and could cycle shorts. He was amazed, and now enjoys shooting the 22 short even more than the 22 LR!
The 22 shorts are loads of fun, I also like CB caps and BB caps. In my collection of odd ball cartridges, I have one extra-long rifle.
A 22 short in a rifle can be lots of fun and Effective too. Always amazed with the unique and interesting guns you show us. Thanks.
Hi Mike nice to see you again. 22 shorts are so nice . Yes definitely hard round to find today. Thank you Mike. Keep videos coming!! Thank you
CCI cb caps work well too
I love the old and weird stuff.
Nice rifles. I like the way that Mrs USOG says: ‘that’s great, I like that, can I shoot the rest of these? As if you would dare to say NO😂! Cheers from NZ🇳🇿.
I remember buying. 22 shorts for .25 cents in the sixties. Had a Remington 550 from my dad .
Dad had a Montgomery Ward rifle that shot 22 shorts. The action made more sound than the report. My brother got it after dad passed. Fantastic video on a great lil caliber.
Quite interesting. Marlin 39A can also use 22 shorts, but they are very hard to find. Beretta made the 950 semiauto pistol in 22 short and .25 acp, and some tests have shown the short in a tiny pistol is more potent than most would imagine.
Stay well.
Love the open-bolt semi-auto! Cool and funky!
When I was a kid we mostly shot 22 shorts but I don't remember high velocity shorts. I have no doubt that they were around but the reason we shot shorts was because they were so cheap. We would use lr if we were hunting, to get a little more reach and umph but just plinking it was 22 shorts
I used them for small game in a single shot Remington in the late 50s-60s.
I have a pretty large number of 22 short rounds. I have a Beretta semi pistol that shoots only shorts and, of course, lever and bolt action 22 rifles with tubular magazines typically will cycle 22S, 22L, and 22LR just fine. But, I cannot think of any semi auto rifles I have that will cycle 22S. I need to take a fresh look to be sure.
Fun video! A lot of shooters poo poo 22s, so your enthusiasm is a terrific counterweight.
Great video. Amazing how you can still come up with original and new material.
Yes. I have a Remington 572 pump. Manufactured in 2004. Surprisingly accurate with it's very nice iron sights.
Wow! My kids and I were just plinking last night with shorts.
Thank you Mike for your video!!!
Thank you for the video and the reminder about how much fun I used to have with .22 short rifles. A couple of rifles chambered in .22 short that sometimes get overlooked are the Winchester gallery guns and the Browning SA. I'm going to be on the hunt for one of the open bolt rifles you are using in this video, very cool design.
I grew up with a Sears & Roebuck (Glenfield) .22 Single -Shot, shooting shorts! 🤠
Hello from Ireland, Mike. Excellent video. Always interesting.
Another nice video and a mini lesson on the open bolt system. Thank you.
I enjoy 22 short. While hunting small game it is powerful enough harvest game. Yet quiet enough that the surrounding wildlife is not disturbed. My Marlin 39A Mountie cycles them well.
You hardly see long anymore. Cci makes CB longs still
Such a great video. Thanks for sharing this!
I inherited quite a few rounds of 22 Short. In my BL-22 lever action they make for a lot of fun and fast plinking with the short lever throw. Thanks for sharing Mike. 🙏
I forgot about the BL-22 - I have the Micro Midas - should have filmed it with .22 shorts - that's a dream .22. Thanks for the reminder. I guess I was stuck on semi autos that day. All the best.
Cool video thanks.
You always have the most unique rifles. I myself have a Marlin Model 50 and Winchester Model 55. They both fire from an open bolt. Oh, 22 shorts are more expensive and very hard to find in my neck of the woods.Thanks!
The 55 is a diamond!
Awesome guns! Thanks.
I've craved a 22 short only rifle off and on for years now. A few years ago I was searching used guns for sale online and found a minty FN version of the Browning SA in 22 short only. I believe it was $450-500, or thereabouts. I had the $$, but wasn't exactly flush, so I kept checking inventory, hoping they'd mark it down a bit, until it was gone! I still kick myself over that one.
Great content; I believed you've motivated me to start my search again!
Nice video. Thanks for some great memories. Is that Remington marked "Model 551" or "Model 550-1"? I don't recall a "Model 551". They also made a Model 552 that handled shorts, longs and long rifles, but it was WAY out of the price ball park for ranch families in my rural area.
When I was a kid (early 60s) .22 shorts were cheaper than long rifle ammo. As I recall they were about 40 cents a box/50 and long rifles were about 55 cents/50. That was a big 15 cents for a kid.
The state law at the time (there were no federal laws on ammo sales until 1968) allowed us to buy ammo if we had our parent's permission and my Dad had signed a permission card with the local hardware store. When we bought ammo, if the clerk didn't know us as regular customers, they would get out the file box and look for the index card with our name and parent's signature. We had no ID, of course, so the clerk (if they didn't know us) would ask us to recite the address and phone number on the card.
I had a Remington Model 511 "Scoremaster" bolt action, magazine rifle. It handled .22 shorts, longs or long rifles, but had just a 5 shot magazine. My best friend had the holy grail of boys in the early 60s...A Remington Model 550-1 semi-auto! A semi-auto that actually functioned perfectly with .22 shorts and held nearly HALF a box of ammo in its magazine!
I used my Remington 511 to train all my sons to shoot, and then bought them their own .22 rifles.
I had the Model 511 in my safe until just 2 years ago. It had become my wife's rifle and when she got interested in something more precise, she bought a CZ457 "At-One" and we gave the Model 511 to our oldest grandson for his 12th Christmas. I put a new Leupold scope on it to replace the 1950s vintage Weaver 4X. It is still providing good service to our family.
We had .22 longs at the time also and they were a little more expensive than even the Long Rifle cartridges. I recall about 60 cents/50. So we rarely bought those because...WHY? 🤷♂
Longs have pretty much vanished. I haven't seen any in years, except "CB Longs" which aren't the same thing. And even .22 shorts are pretty rare now and cost more than Long Rifle ammo.
i love my Remington 551. The floating chamber is trick
Great video. I think perhaps .22 Long is even more forgotten and neglected than short. Do you have any rifles that only take Long vs Long Rifle?
Good point. I've never heard of a .22 Long only rifle. Cool idea. I guess shorts would work as well.
Thanks for this interesting video. Will be using both my Browning 22s for grouse this season. The Miroku SA shoots shorts only and the FN pump shoots all three sizes. Wishing you well Mike and have a nice weekend:)
That Miroku is hard to find - excellent rifle. Thanks for the note and have a great weekend as well.
Great if you don’t want to scare your neighbors when you remove garden pests
Wonderful storytelling! Thanks again for a great video
I use shorts or standard velocity Long Rifle in my levers and pump .22's. My favorite is the Aguila Super Sniper Subsonic. A 60 grain bullet on top of a 22 shoet case.
there's also the .22 B.B. round too. If made anymore, also called the 6 MM Flobert.
I love using 22 shorts from either a single shot or tube fed, like the Henry lever action or old Remington 572 pump. CCI still makes both the 1105 fps hollow-points, which are quite zesty at around 70 ft-lbs energy, and the super quiet 710 fps CBs (only about 30 ft-lb). It's one of the reasons I recommend the Henry 22s. Perfect for quiet plinking or small game, though they are more expensive than bulk 22LR for sure. It's funny too, after shooting a bunch of CB shorts, the high velocity 22LR suddenly sound powerful!
I've had a fetish for old .22's for quite a while. I have a modest collection of rimfire rifles that are all .22 short, long, or long rifle; some of which fire only short, long, or long rifle. I believe it was remington that had the first American rimfire rifle that could take all 3 rounds interchangeably. Probably Pederson but I'm not sure! I didn't bother with the .22 WMR because I wasn't sure how long the ammo would be available. I have al the Winchester models from 1885 onward and many of the Marlins, Remingtons, and Savages. My advice to anyone buying these is if it has a detachable magazine, make sure you get one or more with the rifle as some are very scarce and hard to find as well as expensive these days. Hard to believe that the little 5 & 10 round Winchester mags go for $50-75 now! All of these from 1885-1972 are wood and steel and I let the grandkids shoot all of them!
I think it's interesting that it didn't have to be called the short when it came out in the mid 1800s because it was original and there was nothing longer.
I just wish modern manufactures would make the slower low velocity .22 shorts again
I emailed CCI ...maybe
CCI makes the subsonic ones, 710 fps I think, very quiet
@@andrewthacker1389 But are they .22 short length???
@@pauljones639 yes they are, they are called 22 short CB subsonic, look them up
I have a lovely rifle at home that is 22 s/l or lr but iv never even looked for any 22 short in aus
Excellent on a trapline.
Nice video sir thank you
Cci makes short,long, and WRF
We need more : )
Sweet!
I seen .22 short single shot pistol, I regret not buying it. The action was a rolling block.
Are these 22 shorts considered garden guns (I think you called them)?
Morning Mike, does your gevarm have the different sight apertures in the pistol grip?
It’s very neat how they did that.
Take care
Yes - I should have mentioned that. Thanks for the reminder.
The tube magazine is great for shorts as it increases capacity, whereas stack or rotary magazines get no advantage. CB shorts are generally quieter than air rifles, but that solid bullet packs more punch than a pellet.
When I was a teenager in high school, in the fall afternoons I was in hell with a broken back till school was out. There was a drugstore nearby that sold Remington Rocket Packs of 25 .22 shorts. They cost only a quarter. From about 3:30 till dark I could go into the woods and hunt squirrels. It was heaven on earth for me. There was a cemetery nearby, also and I used to hunt squirrels near the grave of the famous Mountain Man Jim Bridger. The soft report of the shorts kept me from getting caught or found out. I was a sneaky little scamp.
I want to learn about that crosshair sight .
FWIW, open bolt semi-autos are no longer allowed in the USA. The BATF says they are too easy to covert to full auto. Probably unconstitutionally, but that never stopped the ATF.
Thanks for clarifying - I wasn't sure.
Oh dear Mike, how could you omit the FN Semi Auto in this vlog ?
Some old versions do only work on Shorts, Long Rifle cannot pass by the curb between tube and bolt.
I had an FN produced one years ago, shorts wouldn't cycle it and the accuracy was awful with them. With LR it was a tack driver.
Hello, I have an FN pump but no semi. I'll make another video when I find one. Also the Browning version. Thanks for the reminder.
@@UnitedStatesOfGunsfeel free to make a vlog about .22 pumps 😊
Interestingly, because of the case capacity of the 22lr is barely used to accomplish the velocity of the bullet, a 22 short can be loaded to match the ballistics of a 22lr.
I grew up with a Model 1906 Winchester (variant of the Model 1890) which was referred to as a "carnival gun" because the shooting galleries in carnivals used to use them. And yes I am old enough to have shot in those old galleries also. (My how times have changed)
When I was growing up in Iowa in the early to mid 1960’s they had shooting galleries at the state fair. They used some small pump action 22 with shorts. The attendant loaded the rifles. They also had shooting galleries that featured what I believe to be original Thompson sub machine guns converted to pneumatic operation firing BB’s . They had an air hose connected to the bottom of the receiver. They were heavy as Hell compared to those 22’s. Those places took a lot of my hard earned paper route money. 😂
The short can match the velocity of the LR because it's slinging a 29gr projectile, as opposed to the 40gr projectile of the standard LR. This results in substantially less energy, but still plenty for squirrel, rabbit, or head-shot gamebirds. No 22 short could never match the 40gr velocity of even a "standard velocity" LR; I don't believe shorts were ever loaded with 40gr projectiles. They're perfect, though, for what they are.
I've got a Ted Williams that shoots all three. it's a auto gun.
when I was a kid , the shorts were cheaper. we used long almost exclusively. we didn't us the long rifle because we didn't need to .
Maybe show it next to a LR for comparison?
Sorry I forgot
I'm thinking it was Carbine Williams who invented the floating chamber.
Thank you!
Excellent review my friend. I'm very fond of the .22 short also.
Several years ago I was squirrel hunting in a creek bottom in East Texas.
I was using a Remington 514 bolt action single shot I've owned since I was a boy.
I was sitting next to a pen oak tree with bushes around it and was able to quietly take six squirrels out of a beach tree that they were using as a den.
My 514 has a very long barrel and is very quiet with shorts.
God bless you my friend.
Who is the Lady?
The GEVARM: French. In the not so old days, you could purchase in France silencers which were not screwed upon, but with a bayonet kind of of locking. Typical for take downs, going on poaching .
I wish that would be legal in Hungary to buy semi auto rimfires for hunting. You have to understand the big why first. Without a good reason - must be either hunting or sports shooting (serious requirements for the latter) - you cannot buy a firearm (except muzzle loaders, but cannot buy gunpowder and percussion caps without license only the gun itself). The typical "just for fun" is not a good reason here. Self defense is also not a good reason, except when/if you are a "very important person", but that is politics and better leave alone this topic. So hunting is the more simple way to get a firearm. You do your hunting course and exam, pay the annual "hunting ticket", and you can own and keep at home your firearm. You do not have to belong any "hunting companies" or "hunting parties", as it is an extremely expensive thing. You may can go to hunt if you have a friend in some of the companies and you get invited. You pay your one offs, and that's it. You do not even have to hunt at all, just pay the annual ticket. That's it. But you cannot have any handgun, any semi auto rifle, any firearm having shorter barrel than 45cm (just a barely shorter than 18", so an 18" barrel rifle is fine to have for hunting here). The sports shooting gives you more room to choose firearms - semi autos, handguns, pump action and semi auto shotguns with more than 2 rounds in the magazine - but having way much headache until you make your way to keep some, and even after that. Much strict psychiatric examinations, longer waiting lists (actually you have to have 2 different psychiatric examinations and you have to wait 6 month, or even a year between the two), you have to attend to competitions and have to shoot the requirements (no you do not have to get medal, but you have to show that you able to shoot at some higher level), etc, etc, etc. And unfortunately even .22 Short, Long and Long Rifle semi autos cannot use for hunting. You can hunt with any single shot or repeating rifle just like any big bore ones. But a nice semi auto would be a good tool to shoot jays, magpies, hooded crows, foxes, badgers, raccoons and raccoon dogs and muskrats (these last three even invasive species). How unfortunate...
So change the laws!
@Cuccos19 ---> Then call or write your elected representative in the Hungarian government! The Nazis have been gone since spring of 1945, and the Soviets left in '90, or '91. Send him this video showing a man and a woman have fun shooting at targets! Invite your government representative to a shooting range or a hunting trip and teach / show them how to use and like firearms!
Shooting is an Olympic sport. Handgun, Rifle and Shotgun. Are there no Hungarians in the Olympic shooting team? Swiss citizens in the Reserve have military rifles and ammo at home in case the nation is invaded. Every sane person should have firearm and ammo at home. The Police can never be everywhere at the same time.
its great for shooting without ear pro in a pinch in rifles. doesnt ring ur ears. mice n rats. rabbits. snakes etc
GOSH, EVEN A GIRL CAN SHOOT 22 SHORT.
You might as well just use an air rifle.
They just don't make any of the high quality .22 short ammo any more.
Try ELEY - Tenex brand made in the U.K. Many Olympic and tournament shooters use the ELEY brand of .22 rimfire ammo.
CCI still makes quality 22 short ammo.
Aguila also offers .22 short