Thank you for building one of these. I did it years ago, though not to this extreme, and despite their design flaws I fell in love with the engine. I don't think too many people appreciate them
@@WillometMotorFab Indeed. I had mine bored 0.020" over, block decked 0.010, heads milled 0.005, and put an HX35W turbo on the stock manifolds, and ARP head studs. Ran amazing with 22 lbs of boost. Really woke that thing up!
@@timothydurm4366 That's a good possibility. I don't think I found any information back when I built mine, just adjusted the wastegate actuator until it didn't smoke too bad. 22 lbs made it right. Of course, stock head bolts are out of the race around 14 lbs.
I think the coolest part about this was the fact that you were able to build the new engine with your dad. That’s the part that you will remember in years to come. I still have great memories of building engines with my dad. I hope to create the same memories with my kids when they are old enough.
I love seeing people using these. I have a 6.5 599 block in my 1991 FJ80. I pulled it from my 2500HD a couple of years ago. With 180k on the engine, the cylinders still had good cross-hatch. Bottom end looked like new with no visible cracks. I did find cracks between valves on the heads at the rear cylinders. I cleaned it out and put new heads on with ARP studs. I added all of the updated cooling components along with the best fan and clutch I could find. HX35 turbo, 4 inch in, 3 inch straight out. I'm only running 15 lbs of boost. It's a little hazy pulling hills but EGTs are good and it has plenty of power for the Land Cruiser. I can get nearly 20mpg on the highway with 4.10 gears, 35s, and full-time 4wd through the 4l80e.
That time working along side with your Dad as team is priceless. And you have it recorded to boot! It builds such confidence and security to have a master at your side.
Great content. Nice shout out to Wells Racing,Dennis is the best in the business. Most of the 6.5 hate is because people don't understand them. I worked in a fleet with about 100 and went to GM STG training in Burbank CA in 1995. Once I understood the platform I loved it because it was so simple to work on.
My first experience with the 6.5L Turbo was while working at a Chevy dealership. We had to pick up a small fleet of trucks we had to sublet for modification. I chose a route back which took me over the back roads with some seriously steep hills. I was amazed at how the truck I drove pulled up the steepest hill, it kept accelerating as we climbed which wasn't an easy task for most vehicles. I also wound up seeing a fleet of these trucks towed in with blown engines. The truck shop mechanic simply stated much of this was probably due to what he called misuse -- driving it like a gasoline engine, winding out at high RPM or excessively lugging it. Otherwise he insisted it was a good engine. Over the years, with the experiences I've had working in the automotive repair industry, I have to agree; if properly maintained and not overly abused, they can be an efficient and durable engine. And who doesn't love that old school "clacking" of an old school IDI diesel?
I'm a gas engine guy and have never seen a Detroit engine up this close. It's actually a good lookin' engine. Also didn't realize there is as much aftermarket support as there is.
@@WillometMotorFab you bet! Now I’m waiting for the top end 😂 a friend and myself were in the middle of his 6.5 build when yours had that mishap last year. He had quite the time finding head studs. Love watching your videos man. You put out top notch work. Look forward to some of your trips with the suburban too!
Nice to see another Suburban with a 6.5 getting souped up! Hopefully someday I can get my hands on a p400 or optimizer myself. I thought about a Duramax swap too, but decided to stick to older and simpler. These engines get a bad rap imo, they came out of the factory with a few issues, but once sorted they're solid as anything imo.
You and my brother are cut from the same cloth...well different brand of cloth. He's the same way with the 7.3IDI. I helped him rebuild a 92 CC F350 and he became obsessed with the IDI engines. Nice truck and great video!
Glad you did all this. Swapping in a Duramax / Allison combo is like tossing an LS into a car. Booorrrriiiinggggg. I have a 96 Silverado with the 6.2 660 block bored 30 over, Mahle pistons, Scat Crank turned down for a two piece rear main seal, custom wrist pin bushings, ARP studded main and heads, balanced rotating assy. P-400 heads, fluid damper, custom ground cam (not Crane), etc. etc. I too had adult supervision putting it together. Love it. 6.5s...addiction.
💪Definitely worth the wait. It's crazy how much time has past by since the 6.2 build. My oldest boy has been eyeing up my old burb, I showed him different parts on it that I fabbed up gosh it must have been 25 or 26 years ago, your name came up when I showed him the rear shock mounts on the frame. Steve's business was just taking off then and in those days information came from word of mouth, Four Wheel magazines, or phone calls to someone for answers when no one was building parts like beefier rear shock mounts for a Suburban. Alot has changed since we both first built our Suburbans. I think its time my boys and and I build a new engine for my Burb too. The 6.5 build, the video, and time spent with your dad, "Priceless". Thanks for sharing this build David, looking forward to the next part. 👍
The years and time spent together is more valuable than any of the trucks or their parts. Don’t they go by in a blink? Go build with your boys, and tag me as you do.
The execution, tone, and educational approach is how all Automotive blogs should be produced. Amazing work! Automatically hit the like button and subscribed 30 seconds into the video.
I find myself simply watching your video with your father. I miss my father... He was an oil field worker a driller.back when rig were made of wood. The heart metal drilling rig Grilling gas well in Paris, Texas. it exploded blew five thousand feet of drill pipe out of the ground.the flame could be seen all the way to Dallas. only one person hurt with a broke leg. Then he became owner-operator trucker. We're at the age of about 6 years old. He parked his truck at a mechanic shop. that mechanic talk me much. It was a great man. Probably one of the best mechanics on planet earth. I cherish my childhood growing up around the older guys. The young man coming back from vietnam the older guys that work here. What I'm trying to say watching your video with your father? Brought back great memories, thank you. Happy fourth of july to you and your family. .
I just got my 6.5 a relatively short time ago, I am excited to see all the inner workings, maybe one day I’ll get an optimizer myself. Not too many good videos of building one of these, always glad to see another.
Man this is cool. Grew up with 6.5s, dad has a pretty turned up p400. Here because I'm getting ready to do a 6.5 build and put it in my 63 impala with a 4l80e What a cool video!
Nice work gentlemen. Thoroughly enjoyed seeing something different for once. Just plain cool in my and I’m sure many other “engine guys” perspective. Good stuff! Thanks for sharing!
Helpful helper tip: If you want grease on engine parts that won't be assembled for a while, ATF assembly grease is a great option because it withstands pressure and dissolves in oil. But if you don't have that around, plain old Vaseline petroleum jelly works just fine. It stays in place and readily dissolves in oil. It doesn't offer much resistance to pressure, but as long as your oil pump is working, it should be fine.
That's funny, my dad told me this same thing about vaseline yesterday when I was messing with a corvette servo for a 4l60e. He rebuilt trans for many years.
Great to hear the Optimizer ships w forged crank. 6.2/6.5 world is getting smaller and smaller and good info and great vid production is highly appreciated!
The mental wish-list of mods is way too long to list... you know how that goes, I'm sure. The drivetrain is bone stock with the weenie little 10-bolts, so an axle swap is definitely next. I still haven't made up my mind whether to try and source a Banks sidewinder kit for the 6.2 or go with a 6.5, but this video has me leaning 6.5 now... and probably a 4L80 at the same time
What an awesome video!!! I hope you don’t experience the loss of your pops for a long time but as someone who has recently. The time you have had and the fact that you documented it will be cherished. Love the IDI 6.2/6.5!
Thank you for sharing this video with us!! I am an absolute fan of the 6.5 ever since my days in the military. I have 2 6.5 diesel trucks today and love them. Great Video
Awesome work David, the detail, care and passion will guarantee this build is awesome ! Sharing this with your dad is truly awesome, keep up the great work mate, look forward to next episode 👍👍
Welcome mate, reminds me of turning spanners with my dad….and now my son… 😁 well done for capturing real life around our hobby. That, and your story-telling ability is what makes this a unique and awesome channel👌
I also thought that only the P400 had a forged crank. This is great news that the Optimizer also has one. Maybe I’ll go that route instead of a Cummins.
This got me digging and i found a catalogue that shows the newest Optimizer 6500-550 (250 hp, 550 tq) comes with the forged crank, the others still seem to be nodular iron (but maybe that is outdated). good news, i thought that all went away when they stopped making the P400.
I suspect the P400 AMG HMMWV upgrade program didn't gain the budgetary traction some were hoping for. Thus GEP probably had a surplus of forged P400 cranks and said let's stick 'em into to 6500 Optimizers. I have two 2005 Optimizers and both had cast nodular iron crankshafts!
As huge fan of 6.2 and 6.5 myself, I love your video. Simply outstanding. I myself put GM 6.2 in my small 19 f. (youtube video). My 96 suburban GM 6.5 turbo with 5 speed transmission with Gear Vendor behind it. I completely understand you excitement. Have nice ride. 6.5 rocks!
My dad had a 6.2 in his 36 foot 80ies rv with a 400 turbo. Ran awesome and mid teens mpg. I remember running 87 mph going to Florida. Engine never failed. Probably 80 - 90000 hard miles. Careful with ARP, they denied my claim because I used quote to much lube. I had 4 head studs stretch on a 4.6 NA mod motor.
I work in an engine shop and we’ve been having problems with their hardware the last few months as well. Real shame, they were the gold standard for so long
You guys did a pretty good job! I build cat diesel engines every month. I still use lubriplate 105 on most surfaces and ultra slick on the cam and lifters. Hopefully that bottom end holds up. The best 6.5 blocks had the p400 bed plate to keep tue. Mains in place
Thanks dude. Feedback from a pro means a lot. We would have picked up a P400, but the NOS one we found in stock was a bit spendy. Like, beyond reasonable even for a 6.5 nut like me.
GM stuff built willomet tough.... there is no muff to tuff for willomet stuff ... that would be a great t shirt or a big sign in of a business... great video 👍👍👍👍
Diesels have come a long ways. Used to be a member of the Diesel Page, the motherload of all light duty GM diesel info except the Olds 4.3l and 5.7l, but was holding back long enough until the right deal for 03 Cummins with the 6 spd came around and never looked back. Learned my GM diesel lessons on a 5.7l Custom Cruiser. Heath Diesel and Kennedy Diesel used to be the go to shops for all 6.2/6.5 aftermarket developments. What a rip off finding a $9k long block not being balanced to the 9th, but may be considered within spec. I don't know. You must have another $1.5K in it building it the right way. Anyway, the 92/93 MY 6.5l were considered the best years before GM switched to the electronic drive train management. Great video production for my entertainment pleasures and a like and subsripe for keeping those family heir looms on the road and keeping dad busy. Somehow I do miss that Texas drawl, though ... hm...?
I remember TDP - that's the way back machine! I too used to spend a fair bit of time on there. You'll find me in complete agreement in my disappointment about the engine having imbalanced rods. I get why that might be the case - low RPM maybe doesn't "need" balancing - but it was a let down all the same. And yeah, I did spend a bit more at the machine shop and additional components (you'll see in the next video) getting it how I wanted. Thank you for being here, and I appreciate the comment.
Absolutely loved my optimizer in my k5... needed a new injection pump, and probably rebuilt, so I decided to jump on the ls train for power to cost ratio, but man do I miss that oll rattletrap
Those wrist pin clips are easy. Roll one end down into the groove, push the other end with your thumb to drop into the pin hole, snap into the groove with a pick or screwdriver. To remove, spin the clip until there is clip exposed in the little offset, grab it with a pick or compress with a screwdriver.
The 6.5T is a good engine. And taking it to the degree you are really showcases what they can do. Instead of using a steel screwdriver to get the wrist pin clips in use a brass screwdriver or polymer. Then it wont scratch and you won't have to sand or file burrs.
As a ford/international guy I naturally always have hated these engines due to the design/reliability/output and personaly have rebuilt the top end on one. having said that i really enjoyed your video and cant wait to see the finished project!
You can never go wrong with the old diesels. Sure they left much to be desired hp wise. They had a real chance at lasting 500k+ miles though and made enough torque to be fantastic work trucks. I have a modern 2011 duramax and while I love it, I love my 93 7.3 IDI turbo way more. Its probably gonna hit 700k miles in the next few years. Only major breakage was 1 turbo and 2 sets of injectors. It needs glowplugs since the early 2000's but I have plenty of ether.😂
Great video, awesome to see you and Pops working together :) And no such thing as labeling too many things when building an engine! Thank you for sharing the small details like tool part numbers. Did you remember to gap your rings before installing? A new set doesn't guarantee proper clearance Every P400 part is still available except for the block or full engine. The best head upgrade for a 6.5 is to run P400 heads, they have hardened valve seats and will resist cracking better than the stock Optimizer heads or any aftermarket one Also a word of advice to anyone installing timing gears- Don't assume they are plug and play. There's a recent aftermarket set that have the dots off by one tooth and several engines have had valves hit pistons and trash engines. At a minimum use the old timing chain set dots to align the cam and crank before putting on the gears Thanks for giving the 6.5 some love, they definitely have a trash reputation because of GM's penny pinching but when built and maintained properly can be a very reliable and easy to work on engine
I've been waiting for this day to come! Very cool to see a family truck get an engine and your dad is doing it with you. I am very happy to see you sticking with Detroit power and not going with something more fashionable. Now if only my CUCV engine would blow up so I can do this 😂
This is awesome heard a lot of bad about them I now have a 6.5and love it and I'm fixing to rebuild it could use some advise never fooled with them before
The gep p400 was the the absolute best available option until it was discontinued. I actually have a brand new p400 sitting in my shop. I got it from a customer who purchased it for a Hummer and I ended up Duramax swapping it.
@@WillometMotorFab The main issue with the p400 in many gm applications is the oil pan. The p400 uses a special structural cast aluminum oil pan that was designed for a specific application. At one point a couple of companies were offering modified versions of the cast aluminum oil pan and one company was in the process of having their own oil pans cast but I can't remember if they ever brought them to market before the engine was discontinued. I had a customer with a 98 suburban that experienced a broken crank due to the failure of a balancer and I installed a p400 in it and I had to modify the oil pan to clear the front differential which was the main problem. That was when the p400 was first released.
@Willomet Motor & Fab never the 4x4 squarbody suburbans, especially with a diesel, but a few regular cab mud trucks on propane and hot rods. No cool diesels up here just bro builds 🤘 haha few cool diesel and gas toyotas tho 👌😁🤣
Nice video. On the gear drive, ive heard from old timers that they can cause a harmonic that kills crank shafts or the nose of the cams in the 6.2 or 6.5. I’m not sure how true that is but just something you might look into just incase. Any 6.2-6.5 stuff I’ve dealt with I’ve talked to Heath about, they had the land speed record with one back in the 90’s I believe.
Thanks very much for watching. I’m glad you enjoyed it. I’ve heard the same about gear drives, and disregard their comments completely. Timing chain slack is far more concerning, especially for these engines with only a few thousandths clearance from valve at piston at TDC. Gears are broadly superior to a chain, though more expensive to install.
When I was over in Iraq we had a HMMWV with a NA 6.2 throw a rod through the block. We found a blown up armored HMMWV upside down in a pond. We took the 6.5 turbo and swaped it over to our two door soft top M998. Was still a slow turd, but it was a slightly quicker slow turd. I got pretty good at changing the fuel injectuon pumps on the NA 6.2s. Millitary 6.2s and 6.5s were a little different than the civilian versions.
An up-armored HMMWV with all the updates & the top turret weighed up to 19,000Lbs. Even at the 215HP turbo cfg, with the 20+% drivetrain losses, yeah it might give a 0.9L Yugo a run for it's money - LOL!
What are the specs on the camshaft? The logger torque cam made by Russ Mathis helps the 6.2/6.5 and 6.9/7.3 IDI Navistar and diesels in general produce more torque and breathe/scavenge better. I believe the reground specs are 261 in/ 253 ex @.006 leaving the LCA the same unless they tightened it up a smidge. I was in the army national guard for 14.5 years, so I've come to love the 6.2/6.5 diesels
It’s a factory cam, and I don’t know the numbers. I sure wish I did. A cam swap has always sounded interesting, especially for off idle torque before the turbo gets in it’s efficiency range.
@@WillometMotorFab the turbo spools up faster and sooner. There's a mechanical engineer that also applied thermal barrier coatings and turbo injectors to a set of NA 6.5 heads to speed up reaction time and increased output...he ended up being able to do a serious burnout...and that was naturally aspirated
Just a hint put a shot of Power Service in each time you fill tank, just adds some lubricity to the fuel that's been removed helps injectors and injection pump.
I love the 6.5, but I like the NA 6.2 better. Reliable (if you do a few things) and fuel efficient. Those are the two things I like in a diesel. Reliability and fuel economy.
@@brycewilliam1984 I used a fully brand new DB2 and set of short body injectors. I didn't pull anything over from the 6.2, but that pump, lines, and injectors would have swapped over, directly.
I got 3 6.2 3 6.5 one duramax a 6.7 Cummins but nothing beats a Ford diesel…. Haha 😂 I can’t even say that with a straight face. I swapped a 6.5 into a 67 cutlass. Gets milage n has more that enough power great engines if taken care of
@@WillometMotorFab check out my you tube channel. I’ll make a video on it one of these days. I have a d700 cab over dodge with a 6.5 in one of the videos
I drove a 99 GMC dually for ten years that had the 6.5 turbodiesel. I loved the engine, although it was the "weak sister" compared to the Cummins, Power Stroke and D-Max. One of the worst things on that engine, and easiest to replace for more power, was the downpipe out of the turbo. It had dings and dents from the factory to allow for clearances, but it was so restrictive the engine couldn't breathe. I installed a Banks aftermarket downpipe that made the engine feel like it had grown a couple of cylinders. I had always heard the engine was good for 300+ hp when done correctly, but it was said the main bearing caps would shatter (like it looks like your 6.2 did), unless a girdle was added with side bolts into the caps (making each cap cross-bolted with 6 instead of 4 bolts). I notice your new engine doesn't have the girdle, is that due to better metallurgy on your build, or is the girdle really not needed? Awesome build, I sort of wish I still had that old dually.
It's the block's main webs that crack. The outermost 10mm bolt holes on up through the cylinders, and area around the oil squirters. The cast iron cranks are also very prone to the two part self-modification phenomenon if either the damper or the dampened pulley fails. If your rebuilding a later gen 6.5L? It's money well spent to have all the sharp edges radiused or feathered near the main journal webs and the bottom of the cylinders. They are ALL stress risers, IE crack starters.
@@xxxxxxxxxx6903 that's part of why the optimizer doesn't have oil squirters, and the later ones come with a forged crank. Pretty happy with those upgrades.
@@WillometMotorFab- I have two 2005 military takeout Optimizers. Neither had forged cranks, and both have oil squirters. The Optimizers squirters aren't the typical bolt on tube assemblies. Rather they are pressed in orifice plugs located on the bottom ledge of the cylinder/main web interface. If you don't run the three hole main journal bearings they're blocked off anyway. They are points of stress-riser (IE, crack points), but hard worked turbo 6.5's greatly benefit from the piston cooling they provide. Helps with the infamous cylinder #7/8 radial cracking phenomenon.
Ill have to keep that option in mind if the 6.2 ever goes in my 91 suburban or 85 suburbans. But I have a spare and that long block you started with is 8 grand.
Great job. Very enjoyable to watch with some very professional looking editing and professional narration. Kinda sound like Mike Rowe there a bit. Cheers from Brandon Mississippi!
@WillometMotorFab Glad I found the channel too! Funny story. One of my best friends growing up in high school acquired a 92 or 93 silverado with a 6.5 shortly after graduation. The thing had a bad compression skip and was blowing a ton of white and blue smoke. Pulled the head on the bank with the dead hole and found a severely scored cylinder. From there we pulled the oil pan, removed the piston from the bad cylinder, honed the crap out of it till all the vertical lines/scoring were gone. (Really should have been bored but he was broke as was I). Put the original piston back in with a new set of rings, buttoned the motor back up and the thing ran like a top! Albeit it always had a little bit of piston slap on that cylinder until it warmed up afterwards. Ended up driving it for 4 years after that going back and forth to Northern Arizona University and it was still running pretty decent when he sold it! 6.5 DDs aren't as bad as people make them out to be.
I had a 6.5 in a suburban for over 10 years. Despite what the internet says, it was a great engine. Has some upgrades and worked great. Now i have a 5.9 cummins in it and would never mess with a 6.5 again. The cummins turns your truck into a real truck. I understand wanting to keep your truck original though but damn pouring that kinda money into a 6.2 seems crazy. A 12v will make more power without doing anything to it
Unfortunately the 1179Lbs Cummins 5.9L is just a wee bit heavier than the 780Lbs 6.5L. And as much as the Dodge steering systems just loves all that weight, so too will a 400 series Suburban. 🤪 Now if you want to explore an interesting option look into the rather hush inline-6 GEP 3.5L Styer marine mono-block engine they have with the standard SAE bell housing bolt pattern. It was designed to bolt up to a 4L80E! Off the top of my head, I remember 255HP/520Lbs-Ft Tq. Oh and BTW, the mono-block means the head is part of the block, IE no head gasket!
@@xxxxxxxxxx6903 guess you never put a plow of your truck eh? It weighs more thrn the difference in engines. Your talking like 300 lbs lmao. My 2500 holds up just fine to the extra weight. Not sure what point your trying to make but my cummins with compound turbos makes like 3 times the power whatever motor your saying i should have used makes. Lol
2:02 You say " they are heavy " I disagree, the 6.2 liter diesel was designed to drop in a Chevy pickup, replacing the 454 gasoline. Same weight, same size and footprint. So G.M. did Not Have to redesign the entire truck. 1. 6.2 liter (650 lbs.) 2. Cummins (1150+ lbs.) 3. International 466 (1500+ lbs) 4. Cat 7 liter ( 1500+ lbs) So.... compared to the other pickup Diesel engines, the 6.2 / 6.5 is much less weight.
That's fair feedback, and your notes match mine about weight and intended use. Relative to those engines, it's is fairly light. I was commenting in terms of engines people often use in place of a 6.2L today - LS, SBC mostly. 650 lbs is heavy compared to the options available today. But, those other engines don't make nearly as many good sounds as the 6.5, so add that as a tick in the "pro" column.
@@WillometMotorFab I may have to email you to answer a few questions if you dont mind. i have a 1985 M1028 dually with 29K actual miles . ( like mint condition) , The engine is either knocking or a bad flywheel or I heard an injection pump installed wrong can do it .. then I grabbed a 6.5 with turbo - it has the top end rebuilt but the bottom end started knocking so I got it cheap .. I may build it and use it as a non turbo so I dont have to fight getting the turbo to fit in the truck . I just want it to be super dependable - after thet if it messes up it 454 time. Thanks for the videos !!!!!
I had a '94 6.5 in a GM 3500 4dr. Single tire rearend. Bastard year as it had an electronic injector pump. Had so many problems with it! GM changed the pump for '95 and then went to a totally different one. Went through several pumps and finally drove 2 hours away for another from a man who rebuilt pumps and it was the best. Got about 19 miles to the gallon around town. Got 6 years of service and then the crankshaft twisted. Didnt break just twisted at the center journal. Found a used engine with 150k on it and installed it myself. Got 8 years of service and it over heated one day and quit running. 3rd engine, used, ran another 4 years and someone turned left in front if me. Insurance totalled it. 350k on the odometer. I hated giving it up. Now l drive a 1/2 ton Silverado gasoline l have to floor to stay at 55 with the a/c running!😢
Thank you for building one of these. I did it years ago, though not to this extreme, and despite their design flaws I fell in love with the engine. I don't think too many people appreciate them
They’re a fun underdog, and really wake up with just a bit of fuel and boost.
@@WillometMotorFab Indeed. I had mine bored 0.020" over, block decked 0.010, heads milled 0.005, and put an HX35W turbo on the stock manifolds, and ARP head studs. Ran amazing with 22 lbs of boost. Really woke that thing up!
I've heard with stock pistons, 22lbs is the limit.
@@timothydurm4366 That's a good possibility. I don't think I found any information back when I built mine, just adjusted the wastegate actuator until it didn't smoke too bad. 22 lbs made it right. Of course, stock head bolts are out of the race around 14 lbs.
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I'm an aircraft electrician. The "2 to 3 threads showing" rule is pretty standard when work is being inspected. I tip my hat to you gentlemen.
Thank you sir. I bet you know better than most, details matter.
I think the coolest part about this was the fact that you were able to build the new engine with your dad. That’s the part that you will remember in years to come. I still have great memories of building engines with my dad. I hope to create the same memories with my kids when they are old enough.
Couldn't agree more. This whole thing was important time spent together.
Amen
I love seeing people using these. I have a 6.5 599 block in my 1991 FJ80. I pulled it from my 2500HD a couple of years ago. With 180k on the engine, the cylinders still had good cross-hatch. Bottom end looked like new with no visible cracks. I did find cracks between valves on the heads at the rear cylinders. I cleaned it out and put new heads on with ARP studs. I added all of the updated cooling components along with the best fan and clutch I could find. HX35 turbo, 4 inch in, 3 inch straight out. I'm only running 15 lbs of boost. It's a little hazy pulling hills but EGTs are good and it has plenty of power for the Land Cruiser. I can get nearly 20mpg on the highway with 4.10 gears, 35s, and full-time 4wd through the 4l80e.
Perfect! Love my 6.5 also
That time working along side with your Dad as team is priceless. And you have it recorded to boot! It builds such confidence and security to have a master at your side.
You captured my sentiments very nicely. Thank you for this perfect comment.
Great content. Nice shout out to Wells Racing,Dennis is the best in the business.
Most of the 6.5 hate is because people don't understand them. I worked in a fleet with about 100 and went to GM STG training in Burbank CA in 1995. Once I understood the platform I loved it because it was so simple to work on.
Dennis is tops! With their mixed history, I find it understandable that folks might not like them, but like you said, once you know you know.
My first experience with the 6.5L Turbo was while working at a Chevy dealership. We had to pick up a small fleet of trucks we had to sublet for modification. I chose a route back which took me over the back roads with some seriously steep hills. I was amazed at how the truck I drove pulled up the steepest hill, it kept accelerating as we climbed which wasn't an easy task for most vehicles.
I also wound up seeing a fleet of these trucks towed in with blown engines. The truck shop mechanic simply stated much of this was probably due to what he called misuse -- driving it like a gasoline engine, winding out at high RPM or excessively lugging it. Otherwise he insisted it was a good engine. Over the years, with the experiences I've had working in the automotive repair industry, I have to agree; if properly maintained and not overly abused, they can be an efficient and durable engine.
And who doesn't love that old school "clacking" of an old school IDI diesel?
You're right. The IDI sound is a classic one, and that's a really neat experience you had with the 6.5s in factory form.
I'm a gas engine guy and have never seen a Detroit engine up this close. It's actually a good lookin' engine. Also didn't realize there is as much aftermarket support as there is.
This is the video we’ve been waiting for!
I hope it was worth the wait. I wanted a full year and at least 10K on the clock before this release.
@@WillometMotorFab you bet! Now I’m waiting for the top end 😂 a friend and myself were in the middle of his 6.5 build when yours had that mishap last year. He had quite the time finding head studs. Love watching your videos man. You put out top notch work. Look forward to some of your trips with the suburban too!
Nice to see another Suburban with a 6.5 getting souped up! Hopefully someday I can get my hands on a p400 or optimizer myself. I thought about a Duramax swap too, but decided to stick to older and simpler. These engines get a bad rap imo, they came out of the factory with a few issues, but once sorted they're solid as anything imo.
It’s fun making old stuff work well, isn’t it?
You and my brother are cut from the same cloth...well different brand of cloth. He's the same way with the 7.3IDI. I helped him rebuild a 92 CC F350 and he became obsessed with the IDI engines. Nice truck and great video!
Indeed. Your brother sounds like a fine fellow. Gentleman and scholar, no doubt.
Can't express just how much I envy you and your dad working together on this project. A really nice engine, and a well put together vid. Nice work.
Thank you very much! The engine is fun, but building with my dad was the real treat.
Glad you did all this. Swapping in a Duramax / Allison combo is like tossing an LS into a car. Booorrrriiiinggggg.
I have a 96 Silverado with the 6.2 660 block bored 30 over, Mahle pistons, Scat Crank turned down for a two piece rear main seal, custom wrist pin bushings, ARP studded main and heads, balanced rotating assy. P-400 heads, fluid damper, custom ground cam (not Crane), etc. etc. I too had adult supervision putting it together. Love it.
6.5s...addiction.
It’s a swap that has been done, for sure. This project is never static, so we’ll see where it goes from here.
@@WillometMotorFab Best of luck to you on the longevity of the motor. You've certainly done the foundation work to ensure long years of service.
I have a 6.5 in 2000 gmc and would love to do all upgrades that you and your dad are doing.
You got one of the last ones! Some of these upgrades can be spread out. So what you can, as you can.
💪Definitely worth the wait. It's crazy how much time has past by since the 6.2 build. My oldest boy has been eyeing up my old burb, I showed him different parts on it that I fabbed up gosh it must have been 25 or 26 years ago, your name came up when I showed him the rear shock mounts on the frame. Steve's business was just taking off then and in those days information came from word of mouth, Four Wheel magazines, or phone calls to someone for answers when no one was building parts like beefier rear shock mounts for a Suburban. Alot has changed since we both first built our Suburbans. I think its time my boys and and I build a new engine for my Burb too. The 6.5 build, the video, and time spent with your dad, "Priceless". Thanks for sharing this build David, looking forward to the next part. 👍
The years and time spent together is more valuable than any of the trucks or their parts. Don’t they go by in a blink? Go build with your boys, and tag me as you do.
@@WillometMotorFab They sure do. I will.
The execution, tone, and educational approach is how all Automotive blogs should be produced. Amazing work! Automatically hit the like button and subscribed 30 seconds into the video.
I'm glad you're here, and thanks very much for the kind words.
I've watched quite a few videos. Most of them junk. Your video was top shelf. Thank you for doing it. Happy father's day. From Jacksonville Texas
Thanks man, much appreciated. Happy fathers day to you and yours, too.
I find myself simply watching your video with your father. I miss my father... He was an oil field worker a driller.back when rig were made of wood.
The heart metal drilling rig
Grilling gas well in Paris, Texas. it exploded blew five thousand feet of drill pipe out of the ground.the flame could be seen all the way to Dallas. only one person hurt with a broke leg. Then he became owner-operator trucker.
We're at the age of about 6 years old. He parked his truck at a mechanic shop.
that mechanic talk me much. It was a great man.
Probably one of the best mechanics on planet earth. I cherish my childhood growing up around the older guys.
The young man coming back from vietnam the older guys that work here.
What I'm trying to say watching your video with your father? Brought back great memories, thank you. Happy fourth of july to you and your family.
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@@apaulothegreat1581 I'm truly glad you enjoyed this series we made together. We sure did enjoy spending the time together.
I just got my 6.5 a relatively short time ago, I am excited to see all the inner workings, maybe one day I’ll get an optimizer myself. Not too many good videos of building one of these, always glad to see another.
Nice score on your 6.5! It’s a low production platform nowadays, but still a lot of fun.
Love the sound of a 6.5 diesel
Quality content showing us regular folk that we can do big boy things. Fantastic David!
It’s a good day when a plan comes together. Eager to see how your build plan moves along.
Man this is cool. Grew up with 6.5s, dad has a pretty turned up p400. Here because I'm getting ready to do a 6.5 build and put it in my 63 impala with a 4l80e
What a cool video!
Love seeing 6.2 and 6.5’s getting worked. 85 C2500 with a military takeout 6.2
Nice work gentlemen. Thoroughly enjoyed seeing something different for once. Just plain cool in my and I’m sure many other “engine guys” perspective. Good stuff! Thanks for sharing!
You bet man. Sure glad you enjoyed it.
Working on something with your dad is just the best! Cheers
Absolutely right. Time extremely well spent.
This is some of the best square body content on TH-cam!
Thanks dude! Glad you’re here.
Helpful helper tip: If you want grease on engine parts that won't be assembled for a while, ATF assembly grease is a great option because it withstands pressure and dissolves in oil. But if you don't have that around, plain old Vaseline petroleum jelly works just fine. It stays in place and readily dissolves in oil. It doesn't offer much resistance to pressure, but as long as your oil pump is working, it should be fine.
Great tip! Our machine shop said something similar about Vaseline. Thanks!
That's funny, my dad told me this same thing about vaseline yesterday when I was messing with a corvette servo for a 4l60e. He rebuilt trans for many years.
Great to hear the Optimizer ships w forged crank. 6.2/6.5 world is getting smaller and smaller and good info and great vid production is highly appreciated!
I was really surprised/relieved when I found out. It’s such a vital update.
When you said putting the pistons in is meditating I knew I had to subscribe
Glad you're here! Ohm...
Best editing, music and story telling I have seen in a while. Well done you must be in the trade of visual arts.
So glad you enjoyed this one. I’m just a garage builder doing his best imitation of a video editor.
Glad I found you guys! My daily-daily is an '87 "V10" burb with a 6.2. Really looking forward to seeing how this turns out for you 🇺🇲
It runs like a top! Welcome, and I'm glad you're here. What are you plans for your suburban?
The mental wish-list of mods is way too long to list... you know how that goes, I'm sure. The drivetrain is bone stock with the weenie little 10-bolts, so an axle swap is definitely next. I still haven't made up my mind whether to try and source a Banks sidewinder kit for the 6.2 or go with a 6.5, but this video has me leaning 6.5 now... and probably a 4L80 at the same time
Nice. Just visited Dallas this past week.
Hope you enjoyed our town. Glad you’re here.
Love the IDI's myself. Nothing beats the sound and simplicity.
Super simple, right?
You have opened a new motor craz.on the 6.2 and evon the 6.5 ! You guy are one to it!!👍
They're a charming engine, and make all kinds of good sounds.
You and your dad built a work of art.
Thanks man. We’re very proud of it.
What an awesome video! It looks like it was an awesome time building such a beautiful engine. Just excellent!
Great time building with my dad.
What an awesome video!!! I hope you don’t experience the loss of your pops for a long time but as someone who has recently. The time you have had and the fact that you documented it will be cherished.
Love the IDI 6.2/6.5!
You saw the real video. Time with those we love is what’s most important. Sorry about your pop. We’re never old enough to lose our parents.
Thank you for sharing this video with us!! I am an absolute fan of the 6.5 ever since my days in the military. I have 2 6.5 diesel trucks today and love them. Great Video
Thanks for letting us live vicariously through this fun event ! Very cool !
It was a big project. Glad you were there to enjoy. Part two is tomorrow!
Great to you and Sr. working together. Excellent content and editing as usual.
We work pretty well together. It’s a good time. Thanks for being here.
I love my 6.5 diesel, it has been super reliable and has never left me stranded. It has done everything I have asked it too.
Love it! Hard to ask for more, right?
Awesome work David, the detail, care and passion will guarantee this build is awesome !
Sharing this with your dad is truly awesome, keep up the great work mate, look forward to next episode 👍👍
I appreciate your kind words. It's great to be able to share this with my dad a cool 20 years after we built the 6.2 together.
Welcome mate, reminds me of turning spanners with my dad….and now my son… 😁 well done for capturing real life around our hobby. That, and your story-telling ability is what makes this a unique and awesome channel👌
I also thought that only the P400 had a forged crank. This is great news that the Optimizer also has one. Maybe I’ll go that route instead of a Cummins.
It was a surprise to me, too. Totally sealed the deal.
This got me digging and i found a catalogue that shows the newest Optimizer 6500-550 (250 hp, 550 tq) comes with the forged crank, the others still seem to be nodular iron (but maybe that is outdated). good news, i thought that all went away when they stopped making the P400.
@@jamespeart9922 Do you have a link to that article? 250/550 sounds like P400 numbers.
Pretty sure my 07 Optimizer has the cast crank. At least it has the high volume oil pump and piston squirters
I suspect the P400 AMG HMMWV upgrade program didn't gain the budgetary traction some were hoping for. Thus GEP probably had a surplus of forged P400 cranks and said let's stick 'em into to 6500 Optimizers. I have two 2005 Optimizers and both had cast nodular iron crankshafts!
As huge fan of 6.2 and 6.5 myself, I love your video. Simply outstanding. I myself put GM 6.2 in my small 19 f. (youtube video). My 96 suburban GM 6.5 turbo with 5 speed transmission with Gear Vendor behind it. I completely understand you excitement. Have nice ride. 6.5 rocks!
My dad had a 6.2 in his 36 foot 80ies rv with a 400 turbo. Ran awesome and mid teens mpg. I remember running 87 mph going to Florida. Engine never failed. Probably 80 - 90000 hard miles.
Careful with ARP, they denied my claim because I used quote to much lube. I had 4 head studs stretch on a 4.6 NA mod motor.
The old 6.2s were fuel sippers for sure. The blue suburban got 23ish under my dad's right foot. Good note on ARP, thanks.
I work in an engine shop and we’ve been having problems with their hardware the last few months as well. Real shame, they were the gold standard for so long
@@tl5108 I think they are using a cheaper alloy, my failure made no sense. It was just a cammed 4.6 with 12 to one compression running NA.
Honestly, a 6.2 of a 6.5 is about the only diesel engine I would even consider owning.
They’re charming.
You guys did a pretty good job! I build cat diesel engines every month. I still use lubriplate 105 on most surfaces and ultra slick on the cam and lifters.
Hopefully that bottom end holds up. The best 6.5 blocks had the p400 bed plate to keep tue. Mains in place
Thanks dude. Feedback from a pro means a lot. We would have picked up a P400, but the NOS one we found in stock was a bit spendy. Like, beyond reasonable even for a 6.5 nut like me.
Great working with Your Dad!
The best!
GM stuff built willomet tough.... there is no muff to tuff for willomet stuff ... that would be a great t shirt or a big sign in of a business... great video 👍👍👍👍
Glad you enjoyed this one. We love tweaking factory stuff to make it work.
Diesels have come a long ways. Used to be a member of the Diesel Page, the motherload of all light duty GM diesel info except the Olds 4.3l and 5.7l, but was holding back long enough until the right deal for 03 Cummins with the 6 spd came around and never looked back. Learned my GM diesel lessons on a 5.7l Custom Cruiser. Heath Diesel and Kennedy Diesel used to be the go to shops for all 6.2/6.5 aftermarket developments. What a rip off finding a $9k long block not being balanced to the 9th, but may be considered within spec. I don't know. You must have another $1.5K in it building it the right way. Anyway, the 92/93 MY 6.5l were considered the best years before GM switched to the electronic drive train management. Great video production for my entertainment pleasures and a like and subsripe for keeping those family heir looms on the road and keeping dad busy. Somehow I do miss that Texas drawl, though ... hm...?
I remember TDP - that's the way back machine! I too used to spend a fair bit of time on there. You'll find me in complete agreement in my disappointment about the engine having imbalanced rods. I get why that might be the case - low RPM maybe doesn't "need" balancing - but it was a let down all the same. And yeah, I did spend a bit more at the machine shop and additional components (you'll see in the next video) getting it how I wanted. Thank you for being here, and I appreciate the comment.
Amazing 2 part series! I’ve watched it many times.
I absolutely enjoyed this ! Thanks for sharing the process!!
So glad!
Looking forward to the next build. Thanks guys.
You bet. See you Sunday for part 2.
Always cool to see IDI stuff. Have a hot rod 7.3 in my 92 F250. Always been jealous of the aftermarket for the 6.2 / 6.5 compared to the binders.
Love the old IDIs! I bet that 7.3 of yours is a hoot.
Absolutely loved my optimizer in my k5... needed a new injection pump, and probably rebuilt, so I decided to jump on the ls train for power to cost ratio, but man do I miss that oll rattletrap
Hard to deny the LS being a good value move. I get that. It’s part of why I’m using one in my charger.
This is better than meditation.
Ohm….thanks bud, and glad you’re here.
Fantastic job at assembling, attention to detail!
Thank you very much! We don’t get to build them often, so it’s great to enjoy the process.
Those wrist pin clips are easy. Roll one end down into the groove, push the other end with your thumb to drop into the pin hole, snap into the groove with a pick or screwdriver. To remove, spin the clip until there is clip exposed in the little offset, grab it with a pick or compress with a screwdriver.
Good tips!
this is how i feel about my 7.3 idi lol dirty smokey loud slow but amazing lol
They do have a certain charm, don’t they?
@@WillometMotorFab yup they just give you that feeling lol
The 6.5T is a good engine. And taking it to the degree you are really showcases what they can do.
Instead of using a steel screwdriver to get the wrist pin clips in use a brass screwdriver or polymer. Then it wont scratch and you won't have to sand or file burrs.
That’s a great note on avoiding marring the piston. I did have to clean up a bunch of scratches.
As a ford/international guy I naturally always have hated these engines due to the design/reliability/output and personaly have rebuilt the top end on one. having said that i really enjoyed your video and cant wait to see the finished project!
I’m glad you’re here, and appreciate you watching. I totally get the love/hate thing - pretty normal car folk feelings when it comes to a project!
I would love to do all this to my 7.3 , i almost bought a 85 or 86 chevy army pickup with the same 6.5 motor , it was one tough looking truck
I bet a 7.3 would run really strong with just a handful of little upgrades and a big turbo. That would be fun to build.
This thing sounds so good
Thanks dude.
Didnt want the L in build the crank ! ha ha Love the video man going onto part too. Great audio and video quality
You can never go wrong with the old diesels. Sure they left much to be desired hp wise. They had a real chance at lasting 500k+ miles though and made enough torque to be fantastic work trucks. I have a modern 2011 duramax and while I love it, I love my 93 7.3 IDI turbo way more. Its probably gonna hit 700k miles in the next few years. Only major breakage was 1 turbo and 2 sets of injectors. It needs glowplugs since the early 2000's but I have plenty of ether.😂
Great video, awesome to see you and Pops working together :) And no such thing as labeling too many things when building an engine! Thank you for sharing the small details like tool part numbers. Did you remember to gap your rings before installing? A new set doesn't guarantee proper clearance
Every P400 part is still available except for the block or full engine. The best head upgrade for a 6.5 is to run P400 heads, they have hardened valve seats and will resist cracking better than the stock Optimizer heads or any aftermarket one
Also a word of advice to anyone installing timing gears- Don't assume they are plug and play. There's a recent aftermarket set that have the dots off by one tooth and several engines have had valves hit pistons and trash engines. At a minimum use the old timing chain set dots to align the cam and crank before putting on the gears
Thanks for giving the 6.5 some love, they definitely have a trash reputation because of GM's penny pinching but when built and maintained properly can be a very reliable and easy to work on engine
Your 'I aim to misbehave' reference was the moment when I realized that I will be subscribing to your channel.
Shiny. Glad you're here.
@@WillometMotorFab Wrenching on and wheeling a square-body Burb with an oil burner, it's all right up my alley.
@@SamwiseOutdoors Good deal man. Hopefully you'll stick around for the Charger and Wagoneer builds. Heap loads of work on them too.
@@WillometMotorFab I'm down!
I've been waiting for this day to come! Very cool to see a family truck get an engine and your dad is doing it with you.
I am very happy to see you sticking with Detroit power and not going with something more fashionable.
Now if only my CUCV engine would blow up so I can do this 😂
It’s the right engine for the truck, built at the right time with my dad. So glad you enjoyed the video.
This is awesome heard a lot of bad about them I now have a 6.5and love it and I'm fixing to rebuild it could use some advise never fooled with them before
It's a fun and simple platform. Enjoy the process.
Love Suburbans and Detroit Diesels. Great video.
Same here! Thank you so much for watching.
Good production quality and content, surprised you don't have more subs.
Thanks man. Hopefully it's one more with you. Thanks for watching this one.
The gep p400 was the the absolute best available option until it was discontinued. I actually have a brand new p400 sitting in my shop. I got it from a customer who purchased it for a Hummer and I ended up Duramax swapping it.
Great score there! I’d have popped in a P400 if one was available for a reasonable price.
@@WillometMotorFab The main issue with the p400 in many gm applications is the oil pan. The p400 uses a special structural cast aluminum oil pan that was designed for a specific application. At one point a couple of companies were offering modified versions of the cast aluminum oil pan and one company was in the process of having their own oil pans cast but I can't remember if they ever brought them to market before the engine was discontinued.
I had a customer with a 98 suburban that experienced a broken crank due to the failure of a balancer and I installed a p400 in it and I had to modify the oil pan to clear the front differential which was the main problem.
That was when the p400 was first released.
What an incredible video, I think you just made me love the 6.2 and 6.5, engineering that makes things interesting.🤘😁👍🇨🇦
So glad you enjoyed it. Lots of these trucks running around up your way?
@Willomet Motor & Fab never the 4x4 squarbody suburbans, especially with a diesel, but a few regular cab mud trucks on propane and hot rods. No cool diesels up here just bro builds 🤘 haha few cool diesel and gas toyotas tho 👌😁🤣
love my 6.2's/6.5's
Nice video. On the gear drive, ive heard from old timers that they can cause a harmonic that kills crank shafts or the nose of the cams in the 6.2 or 6.5. I’m not sure how true that is but just something you might look into just incase. Any 6.2-6.5 stuff I’ve dealt with I’ve talked to Heath about, they had the land speed record with one back in the 90’s I believe.
Thanks very much for watching. I’m glad you enjoyed it. I’ve heard the same about gear drives, and disregard their comments completely. Timing chain slack is far more concerning, especially for these engines with only a few thousandths clearance from valve at piston at TDC. Gears are broadly superior to a chain, though more expensive to install.
Hey David! I love the intro, these are all the faults and...
Theyre my favorite. As a fan of the 6.2 in particular I know how you feel 👍
Imperfect things are beautiful when we appreciate them for what they are. Like you, I'm a fan.
When I was over in Iraq we had a HMMWV with a NA 6.2 throw a rod through the block. We found a blown up armored HMMWV upside down in a pond. We took the 6.5 turbo and swaped it over to our two door soft top M998. Was still a slow turd, but it was a slightly quicker slow turd. I got pretty good at changing the fuel injectuon pumps on the NA 6.2s. Millitary 6.2s and 6.5s were a little different than the civilian versions.
“Slightly quicker slow turd.” Love that. I’ve ridden in a few of the old M998s in a former life, and they’re definitely not quick.
An up-armored HMMWV with all the updates & the top turret weighed up to 19,000Lbs. Even at the 215HP turbo cfg, with the 20+% drivetrain losses, yeah it might give a 0.9L Yugo a run for it's money - LOL!
Love the burb
Thanks man. Me too.
Awesome father and son project. Thats worth it.
Projects done shoulder to shoulder are what this is all about.
@@WillometMotorFab looking forward to video firing it up
@@TheAnonymous1one tomorrow!
What are the specs on the camshaft? The logger torque cam made by Russ Mathis helps the 6.2/6.5 and 6.9/7.3 IDI Navistar and diesels in general produce more torque and breathe/scavenge better. I believe the reground specs are 261 in/ 253 ex @.006 leaving the LCA the same unless they tightened it up a smidge. I was in the army national guard for 14.5 years, so I've come to love the 6.2/6.5 diesels
It’s a factory cam, and I don’t know the numbers. I sure wish I did. A cam swap has always sounded interesting, especially for off idle torque before the turbo gets in it’s efficiency range.
@@WillometMotorFab the turbo spools up faster and sooner. There's a mechanical engineer that also applied thermal barrier coatings and turbo injectors to a set of NA 6.5 heads to speed up reaction time and increased output...he ended up being able to do a serious burnout...and that was naturally aspirated
@@matthewmiller2268 that would be cool to see on video
Just a hint put a shot of Power Service in each time you fill tank, just adds some lubricity to the fuel that's been removed helps injectors and injection pump.
Good call. I use Stanadyne blue for the lubricity.
Cool I also own a 1992 k20 6.5 Detroit Diesel, I am located in Greenville TX
Greetings, fellow Texas diesel head!
Awesome video.
Thanks! 🙌🙌
I love the 6.5, but I like the NA 6.2 better. Reliable (if you do a few things) and fuel efficient. Those are the two things I like in a diesel. Reliability and fuel economy.
Awesome video!!
Thanks dude. #testedto1KG
Excellent video!! Looking forward to the next part of the series.
Thanks man. We'll wrap up the top end next week.
@@WillometMotorFab I am curious. Will you touch on the mechanical injection system and detail about moving the 6.2 fuel system over to the 6.5?
@@brycewilliam1984 I used a fully brand new DB2 and set of short body injectors. I didn't pull anything over from the 6.2, but that pump, lines, and injectors would have swapped over, directly.
@@WillometMotorFab Thanks for the response. How extensively has the DB2 been modified?
@@brycewilliam1984 not at all. It’s straight out of the box. Part number is in the description of the next video.
I got 3 6.2 3 6.5 one duramax a 6.7 Cummins but nothing beats a Ford diesel….
Haha 😂 I can’t even say that with a straight face. I swapped a 6.5 into a 67 cutlass. Gets milage n has more that enough power great engines if taken care of
Oh now that’s a neat swap! If you’re on social media, tag me. I’d love to see it.
@@WillometMotorFab check out my you tube channel. I’ll make a video on it one of these days. I have a d700 cab over dodge with a 6.5 in one of the videos
I drove a 99 GMC dually for ten years that had the 6.5 turbodiesel. I loved the engine, although it was the "weak sister" compared to the Cummins, Power Stroke and D-Max. One of the worst things on that engine, and easiest to replace for more power, was the downpipe out of the turbo. It had dings and dents from the factory to allow for clearances, but it was so restrictive the engine couldn't breathe. I installed a Banks aftermarket downpipe that made the engine feel like it had grown a couple of cylinders.
I had always heard the engine was good for 300+ hp when done correctly, but it was said the main bearing caps would shatter (like it looks like your 6.2 did), unless a girdle was added with side bolts into the caps (making each cap cross-bolted with 6 instead of 4 bolts). I notice your new engine doesn't have the girdle, is that due to better metallurgy on your build, or is the girdle really not needed? Awesome build, I sort of wish I still had that old dually.
Yeah, I remember that downpipe on a 96 my dad ran. Terrible execution.
It's the block's main webs that crack. The outermost 10mm bolt holes on up through the cylinders, and area around the oil squirters. The cast iron cranks are also very prone to the two part self-modification phenomenon if either the damper or the dampened pulley fails. If your rebuilding a later gen 6.5L? It's money well spent to have all the sharp edges radiused or feathered near the main journal webs and the bottom of the cylinders. They are ALL stress risers, IE crack starters.
@@xxxxxxxxxx6903 that's part of why the optimizer doesn't have oil squirters, and the later ones come with a forged crank. Pretty happy with those upgrades.
@@WillometMotorFab- I have two 2005 military takeout Optimizers. Neither had forged cranks, and both have oil squirters. The Optimizers squirters aren't the typical bolt on tube assemblies. Rather they are pressed in orifice plugs located on the bottom ledge of the cylinder/main web interface. If you don't run the three hole main journal bearings they're blocked off anyway. They are points of stress-riser (IE, crack points), but hard worked turbo 6.5's greatly benefit from the piston cooling they provide. Helps with the infamous cylinder #7/8 radial cracking phenomenon.
Ill have to keep that option in mind if the 6.2 ever goes in my 91 suburban or 85 suburbans. But I have a spare and that long block you started with is 8 grand.
Yeah, it's a fairly expensive platform, and you've really got to be a fan to justify the leap.
Great Vid Dave, best part? You working with your Dad!
I think so too. Thanks for being here man.
Great job. Very enjoyable to watch with some very professional looking editing and professional narration. Kinda sound like Mike Rowe there a bit.
Cheers from Brandon Mississippi!
Howdy there Mississippi! Glad you found the channel and enjoyed the video. I'm no pro; just a gearhead doing his best imitation!
@WillometMotorFab Glad I found the channel too! Funny story. One of my best friends growing up in high school acquired a 92 or 93 silverado with a 6.5 shortly after graduation. The thing had a bad compression skip and was blowing a ton of white and blue smoke. Pulled the head on the bank with the dead hole and found a severely scored cylinder. From there we pulled the oil pan, removed the piston from the bad cylinder, honed the crap out of it till all the vertical lines/scoring were gone. (Really should have been bored but he was broke as was I). Put the original piston back in with a new set of rings, buttoned the motor back up and the thing ran like a top! Albeit it always had a little bit of piston slap on that cylinder until it warmed up afterwards. Ended up driving it for 4 years after that going back and forth to Northern Arizona University and it was still running pretty decent when he sold it! 6.5 DDs aren't as bad as people make them out to be.
Yeeeeess! Finally a 6.5 video
Hope it was worth the wait. I wanted to get a full year and lots of miles on it before publishing.
@@WillometMotorFab definetly! Ive tried to research and email and figure out stuff if its even possible to build a reliable and descent 300-400hp 6.5
I had a 6.5 in a suburban for over 10 years. Despite what the internet says, it was a great engine. Has some upgrades and worked great. Now i have a 5.9 cummins in it and would never mess with a 6.5 again. The cummins turns your truck into a real truck. I understand wanting to keep your truck original though but damn pouring that kinda money into a 6.2 seems crazy. A 12v will make more power without doing anything to it
That's cool that you've had and enjoyed each platform in the same truck.
@@WillometMotorFab oddly enough they both get about the same mileage. Long live suburbans! Great video btw i guess i didnt mention that.
Unfortunately the 1179Lbs Cummins 5.9L is just a wee bit heavier than the 780Lbs 6.5L. And as much as the Dodge steering systems just loves all that weight, so too will a 400 series Suburban. 🤪
Now if you want to explore an interesting option look into the rather hush inline-6 GEP 3.5L Styer marine mono-block engine they have with the standard SAE bell housing bolt pattern. It was designed to bolt up to a 4L80E! Off the top of my head, I remember 255HP/520Lbs-Ft Tq. Oh and BTW, the mono-block means the head is part of the block, IE no head gasket!
@@xxxxxxxxxx6903 guess you never put a plow of your truck eh? It weighs more thrn the difference in engines. Your talking like 300 lbs lmao. My 2500 holds up just fine to the extra weight. Not sure what point your trying to make but my cummins with compound turbos makes like 3 times the power whatever motor your saying i should have used makes. Lol
I love the BorderCollie.
Harriet is tops with me, too. She's a heeler/pit mix.
2:02 You say " they are heavy "
I disagree, the 6.2 liter diesel was designed to drop in a Chevy pickup, replacing the 454 gasoline. Same weight, same size and footprint. So G.M. did Not Have to redesign the entire truck.
1. 6.2 liter (650 lbs.)
2. Cummins (1150+ lbs.)
3. International 466 (1500+ lbs)
4. Cat 7 liter ( 1500+ lbs)
So.... compared to the other pickup Diesel engines, the 6.2 / 6.5 is much less weight.
That's fair feedback, and your notes match mine about weight and intended use. Relative to those engines, it's is fairly light. I was commenting in terms of engines people often use in place of a 6.2L today - LS, SBC mostly. 650 lbs is heavy compared to the options available today. But, those other engines don't make nearly as many good sounds as the 6.5, so add that as a tick in the "pro" column.
Very kool video, In the future going to build a 6.2 or 6.5 this helps.
You’ll love it when you do. Enjoy that process!
@@WillometMotorFab I may have to email you to answer a few questions if you dont mind. i have a 1985 M1028 dually with 29K actual miles . ( like mint condition) , The engine is either knocking or a bad flywheel or I heard an injection pump installed wrong can do it .. then I grabbed a 6.5 with turbo - it has the top end rebuilt but the bottom end started knocking so I got it cheap .. I may build it and use it as a non turbo so I dont have to fight getting the turbo to fit in the truck . I just want it to be super dependable - after thet if it messes up it 454 time. Thanks for the videos !!!!!
Congrats ! It looks like good work of art ❤
Thank you!
Wow great channel I can’t believe you only have 7K subs keep up the great work.
One more with you, and I'm glad you're here. Thanks for the support.
This was a fantastic video! Thanks so much for posting
Oh for sure. So very glad you enjoyed it.
I had a '94 6.5 in a GM 3500 4dr. Single tire rearend. Bastard year as it had an electronic injector pump. Had so many problems with it! GM changed the pump for '95 and then went to a totally different one. Went through several pumps and finally drove 2 hours away for another from a man who rebuilt pumps and it was the best. Got about 19 miles to the gallon around town. Got 6 years of service and then the crankshaft twisted. Didnt break just twisted at the center journal. Found a used engine with 150k on it and installed it myself. Got 8 years of service and it over heated one day and quit running. 3rd engine, used, ran another 4 years and someone turned left in front if me. Insurance totalled it. 350k on the odometer. I hated giving it up. Now l drive a 1/2 ton Silverado gasoline l have to floor to stay at 55 with the a/c running!😢
You’ve had a long track with these!
@@WillometMotorFab One things for sure. I became an expert at replacing the injector pump!!!
Nice video I’m rebuilding my first engine soon toyota 3vze