Mini JCW Clubman vs BMW M135i - LONGTERMER SHOWDOWN - There can be only one winner [Ft Joe Achilles]
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 16 ม.ค. 2020
- The Mini JCW Clubman and BMW M135i share the same platform, engine, gearbox and powertrain so should be very similar. Well my good mate Joe Achilles has a BMW M135i as a long termer from BMW UK so we met up and put the two cars up against each other.
We compare the cars on 10 criteria with honest opinion based on our experience with running the cars for the last couple of months. At the end we add up the scores and there can be only one winner.
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I’ve never been in the new mini but I’ve been in a few BMW’s, M5, 335 and an old 320 and the one thing I found with all of them was they were competent cars but never exciting or with any character. So for smile factor, it would be the mini for me. I
My JCW Clubman just under $50,000 US. Enigmatic Black with Black roof and mirrors. Went with 18" black spoke wheel. Comfort I got black lounge leather (touch of BMW I guess!?). Only thing I didn't get was self parking. I will drive from San Francisco CA to Seattle WA to visit my son's family. 778 miles. Normally under 11 hours. Love this car. Find myself no music and window down. This car creates its own music.
Sounds great 👌
Pete, came back to this after you revealed picking up your new clubman JCW to remind myself of just what you have bought.
I've got to say this was a great collaboration between you and Joe and your production quality is excellent. What a great interesting and easy viewing pair you make - and also for cars that are (almost) affordable for us regular car enthusiasts. I say almost affordable as it is a relative term. It's great to watch some of the more tasty performance cars but am glad you are catering for more attainable budgets.
As I said this collaboration really works and you should consider more with possibly catering for more modest budgets for interesting fun car buys if that's possible. Cheers guys!
Wonderful video!! Loved this format of comparison. Also good to see you have a good time.
Cheers Buddy 👍
Quality Pete, you and Joe make a great double-act. More collaboration required. 👍🏻
Thanks Darren. We had such a laugh making it 👍
Excellent video again Pete. Very honest answers and I agree with every point you both made. The mini is starting to get firmly under my skin.
Cheers Gary 👍
Brilliant, entertaining video! Loved the counting! Mini drivers never grow up!
Nope...will be a big kid forever 😂
Have to disagree with the looks factors: the MINI looks more interesting both inside and out!
agreed. the bmw looks like... every bmw, but the mini stands out in the crowd.
Agreed, mini looks much better than the new M135i
The mini looks like it’s for taking the kids to school and going to ALDI. Driven by mums
Mini looks better inside and out. The BMW as others have noted, it looks like any other BMW; Audi; VW equivalent....
Agreed. BMW looks to generic. Mini still could be better in design and perhaps needs a change.
Very interesting! I just picked up my new Clubman S today. Having had the 2.0l D for 3 years, which is a very good car, it’s certainly different and just wants to go!! I’m in love!
Awesome 👏
Great video guys, you are both great to watch and very informative. I have to say that until the new 1 series came out the clubman was one of the strangest looking cars on the market. Now comparing the two cars I'd have the mini over the BMW all day long. The BMW seems to be aimed at a different market now and unfortunately it's left me behind.
Haha, that penny drop and "Mini wins" moment was pure gold. You two are great together. Great job!
Loved making this video 😂
Another Great Comparison Video. I will also watch Joe's video as well
Cheers Jamie 👍
Great to see two of my fav car guys just chatting cars was a good watch guys
Cheers Rob 👍
Great video of two excellent cars! To me the Mini is the car I would buy with my heart and the M135i the car i would buy with my head.
Fun to watch! Great video 🙌🏼
Glad you enjoyed it 👍
Loving your work Pete, great vid 👍
Cheers Kenny 👍
Great video guys. Fun, entertaining and factual.
Cheers 👍
Brilliant.... loved the finger counting at the end!
We had such fun 😂
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Was all going so well till you gave the M135 a point for looks over the quirky and gorgeous JCW :-) glad by the end of the video you redeemed yourself - great video guys!
Cheers Ray 👍
Bottom line - two really genuine guys who know what they are talking about when it comes to discussing cars! Hilarious, and very entertaining video.
Cheers man!
Thanks George. Glad you enjoyed it. We certainly did 👍
That was a blast. Thanks.
Cheers Tim 👍
Great video again! Fab to see you two working together!! Really surprised (but pleased) mini won!!!
My head would say bmw but my heart would always be Mini!!! Best interesting points were the performance thoughts... and ... the big difference in price!!
Feels like such difference cars 😕
Great video. I really enjoyed it!
That's great to hear 👍
Great video guys but i wonder if Joe will change his mind when BMW launch the M235i Gran Coupe from the Mini ? I like the Mini Pete but certain things about driving one really bug me sadly. However, That 2.0 Ltr in a Mini is the best driving fun you can have !!
Hi Pete,
So glad the Mini won your test, as I have said before, I drive a BMW X1 m sport for business only, but much prefer my Mini f56 Cooper diesel, I know it’s only a 1.5 but loads more fun and it has 7.5k worth of extras on it makes it quite a special car.
Sounds awesome 👍
The ending was a foregone conclusion but dramatically enhanced until the end, at least for the actors. BMW is the parent company and a luxury brand all posh and grown-up like, even at entry level. I think the 1 series is soccer mom on a budget with upgrades that add posh rather than driving excitement. When your spouse leaves you, the kids are all off to college and you don't need room for 4 to go on power lunches with executives you sell off the chains and get a Mini. Smiles do come in small packages, mine come in the form of an r56 ... I don't miss the posh that just slowed me down and dulled the senses.
Great video.
Very interesting. Whilst you had a winner, I think from both of your comments, get the 1 series if you want the Tech and Practicality, but if you want Fun, get the JCW.
Yep. Good summary 👍
To have the wow of the mini, does it have to be the Mini John Cooper works? Or can the cooper s do just as well 👍
Love how that Penny Dropped lol Great Vid Pete.
LOL 😂
Great video guys, interesting to hear your thoughts in the two videos. Surprised to say think I'd choose the Mini too!
Great to hear 👍
Been waiting for this ever since the BMW review!!!
Hope it didn't disappoint 😜
@@PetrolPed It was amazing!
Great vid as usual, as both cars are alike would depreciation have been a good question?
It would. There were a number of possible factors that didn't make the final 10 👍
Evening sir. Kate’s is a massive fan for these Grey colours. I think it all depends on the car, because a shape can make a lot of difference. You guys work well the same as Stef. Last time I saw Joe, he was cycling through the woods, I was knackered just sat on the sofa watching lol.
He is very good on a bike 👍
Good fun video. Shows how truly subjective this sort of thing is!
Yep 👍
could you please do a f60 jcw vs x2 m35i? wonder which drives better, i drive a heavily modded r60S which now looks quite small compared to the new f60
Hope to have the Countryman JCW on the channel very soon 👍
Hi Pete. Bit late I hope,you pick this up. What about a back to back of the engines of your JCW clubman and Ruby Roadster? I'm trying to decide between upgrading my current Paceman JCW (which I love) or chopping it in for the new 306 brake Countryman JCW? Probably my last new car. Or upgrade the Paceman, keep it for a year and then buy a secondhand Countryman? Incidentally, hate the Clubman shape (as you said Marmite!)
The 306bhp engine is mega. I have a Countryman JCW press car coming soon as I've not driven one yet 😪
Enjoyed the review thanks. I am weighing up JCW Countryman vs the M135i, any thoughts?
Countryman will have more space but M135 will drive better 👍
Loved this video, you guys are great together! I’d pick the Mini too:)
Cheers Alex 👍
Great video!!!!
Thanks, glad you enjoyed it 👍
Great video Pete, thanks in part to your videos I took the plunge and am trading in my R55 S for the F54 JCW. So excited and I know my spine will appreciate the improved ride comfort.
Did yours have adaptive suspension? How did you compare it to Ruby?
That is great to hear. Ruby is on coilovers so anything has a better ride 😂
May I ask what the fuel economy looks like? I doubt I get to the Italian Alps on two tanks as I did with the S.
Great review guys and thanks for giving Mini the extra point 😂
Oops 😂
Hi Pete, there was no doubt in my mind that the Mini would win. It's the ultimate smiles per miles car. Great video mate, take care 👍👍👍👍👍🏁
Cheers Ralph 👍
MINI are going to be well chuffed with you Peter , I can see you getting priority delivery of your GP3. Seriously they’re both good cars, good to hear Joe’s thoughts on both. 👍🏻 very enjoyable video, be good to see more like it.
Hope to do more. It was fun to make, just a little bit too long 😪
It’s a good job the mini won or I’d be reaching for the unsubscribe button 🤣🤣🤣
LOL 😂
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bahaha 😂 MINI for the win!
Ped is this the Hungerford to Wantage road? If it is i love driving this road.Great vid thanks.
It was indeed. Good spot 👏👏👏
Good choice... I have one with the options most i feel would want. Its my first Mini at just the right side of 70yrs old and its a superb drivers car... However after 1200mls the infotainment system refused to work at all on an intermitant basis... Replaced without hesitation by BMW Mini... So I'm hopeing that reliability dosn't become an issue and spoil what is a great and fun car to drive.
My Mini has been bomb proof so far so hope you have that too 👍
Hi Ped
Very amusing and entertaining video.👍👍👍Before I watched it I wrote down my choice, guess what MINI!
I honestly didn't know which would win 👍
Jeez Ped you must be almost 6ft 5 ....as Joe Achilles is a giant 😂😂😂 or maybe it's just the camera angles 👍
He is a bit taller than me 😜😂
the two of u make a good team, you should do more videos together...works very well!
one question..the jcw is the jcw GP right, as the standard jcw only has 231 HP...and this has 306. Im looking at getting a JCW covertible normal mini, best shape for me..and covertible for barcelona...perfect. Such a good price, 2 years old, almost half price.... and certainly half what they cost in Spain!
We are good mates for sure. This car is the Clubman JCW which has 306bhp and AWD. The JCW hatch has 231bhp and front wheel drive. There is also the new JCW GP3 which has 306bhp and front wheel drive. Hope that makes sense 👍
Having had both, the M135i hands down wins in my opinion, better infotainment, better sound, better handling, and more practical, yes, the price is more, but its 110% worth it!
Nice one gents ‘‘twas enjoyable 👍🏿
Cheers Colin 👍
A338 into Wantage? :) You're just down the road from me. I drive/ride that road all the time.
Are you local to there?
Yep, well spotted. It is half way between where we both live and a great road 👍
That was a great entertaining video , yep both are nice cars but glad the mini won 👍
Cheers Phil. Glad you enjoyed it 👍
Funny video ! mini wins ! I'll check out Joe's channel right now, i should have done so ages ago, great successful colab !
Such fun 😂
Very interesting video. I've recently test driven both, and for me, if it was my money (and it might be very soon) I'd go for the A35 AMG! It's exceptionally close between the Mini and M135i though, but for me I preferred the BMW, it came down to the interior. I loved the digital dials and tech, as you guys thought the Mini felt a little dated. My daughter has a Mini One, and it felt almost the same as that. Maybe I should hang on for the next gen?
The biggest thing that I didn't like about the Beemer was the lower front grill, it looks like a character from Wallace and Grommet! Once seen, never unseen!
But both are brilliant cars, although I'm hanging on for the A45 AMG, I can't wait to test drive that one and compare it.....
Only driven the A35 on track. Felt like a good car 👍
@@PetrolPed, you ought to test drive one, its lovely.
Amazing! Just imagine how the Mini would do with an updated infotainment system. Dont forget guys, PC world have decent calculators for sale at reasonable prices. (Just joking, I cant even keep scores at sports events)
On my way to get one now 😂
Never been much of a Mini fan however have definitely grown to appreciate it more watching on your channel however for me the BMW would be my choice.
It was a close call 👌
For me the Mini is just too goofy looking. And I have driven a brand new Mini Clubman JCW 306ps. It was the harshest ride I have ever felt on any car. It felt like the dampers had locked up when driving over bumps or imperfections on the streets. My friend, who is a Mini fan and owns a Coopers S Clubman, also thought it was way too hard to live with. This was even a test drive because he wanted one. He ended up not buying it because he couldn’t live with those dampers. I must say I like sportier rides but this was way over the top for me also. I can’t believe for a minute the BMW is that hard, and should have won the Ride Quality competition. It is pretty fast and has a really nice darty feeling in corners although almost a little too hard steering. Sporty yes, but almost over the top here as well.
You’ve not driven a Hyundai i30N in N Mode then 😜😂
I would love to own either of these cars. Mini edges it for me but not by much.
Both great cars 👍
I own both a BMW X5 and a MINI S Clubman so I am not biased on either brand. The Mini’s looks and interior are much better than the M1 which I find as bland as any Toyota. I do agree that the M1 is more practical but the MINI is much more fun to drive.
There are a lot more than 2K of options! I spec'd a JCW Mini, and with the options I chose the car came to £38K after a £4K discount!!!! Without anything from Mini or the Dealer, you can reach as high as £43K I think the only thing I had missed off it was the memory seats.
WOW 😮
Great videos, watched both, but how did you not race these? Missed opportunity...
We didn’t have a race track 😢
@@PetrolPed Riiiight....well hypothetically speaking, who won 0-100? I mean, who *would* have won? 🙃 Sub'd to your channel, those are a couple of great little mini rockets you have! Great videos!
sweet vid,funny your counting skills but will let that slip...easy done!!!!!
Cheers Fernando 👍
Great videos gents. I've watched both yours and Joe's. I followed Joe from Baby BMW when he set his channel up and I'd just got my 2015 LCI M135i.
I think you've both been really fair in your scoring. Joe's final vote for wanting the Mini for 12 months swung it and I think if that question had been which one would he want indefinitely, he would've picked the BMW.
In reality they are both amazing cars and a win for one is kind of a win for the other given they share so many key parts.
If you put a gun to my head, I'd pick the Mini too. Taking away the two USPs of the M135i (straight six engine, RWD) I think handicaps it.
I wonder what the outcome would be if you put this Clubman up against an M140i finale edition...
Glad you enjoyed it Andy...what |I good question you end with 😬👏
Well, it's like giving a gunslinger back his favourite gun for a gunfight. The BMW was all about the engine and rwd. I think the M140i beats the Mini!
Important: Long term upkeep costs. I am hoping Mini is better as I am buying one and selling my 16 year old very expensive at the time BMW because even with low miles and routine scheduled maintenance, things keep breaking and going out. I have loved the BMW & kept it far, far longer than any other car, but it is boring and expensive to maintain.
Very entertaining-you guys should do more of this. BMW wins for me though!
We plan to. Glad you enjoyed this one 👍
Hmmm....how would a BMW X2 M35i compare then? I think that car looks better than both of these but is it more compromised as far as ride/handling etc?? There are so many variations of very similar cars out there. Now being old and with my 57 year Motor/Autocar collection about to go off to a new home (😰😰😰) I looked at old comparisons from the 1960’s. Ford Escort 1300GT v. MG 1300 v. Alfa Romeo Alfasud Ti v. BMW 1600 v. Triumph 1300. Now I do wonder if manufacturers would allow such tests these days...probably not but back then, it gave us dreams of saving up...PCP didn’t exist and HP was hard work. Good work on the video and after some experience with the older M135i, the dreadful ride would send me to the Mini shop straight away..much more “special”! Happy driving Peter!!!🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂😀😀😀😀
Thanks for this 👍
These 2 are SO good together 😁🤣
Thanks 👍
What do you mean by long term loan?I’ve been watching your videos for a while but don’t actually know what you do apart from TH-cam, are you in the trade or a journalist or something to get long term loan cars?
Great video btw I’m not a mini guy or a fan of 1 series but interesting comparison I didn’t realise they were same price bracket! I’d of assumed bmw was a lot more which probably says something🤷🏻♂️
I have been a trainer in telecommunications for the last 20 years. I started TH-cam 4 years ago as a hobby but it is not probably half of my job along with some presenting work. I work closely with a good number of car brands and as my channel grows I am able to get press cars and long term loan cars 👍
Petrol Ped training telecommunications makes me think.... th-cam.com/video/qHrN5Mf5sgo/w-d-xo.html
@@PetrolPed Thought you went full time on TH-cam? Saw a vid on that a while back I'm certain or was that more click bait?
Yes definitely a fast Mini something small and compact easy to clean just like a little puppy dog
Yep I’m agreeing with most points. I think the Mini has that ‘fun go cart’ feel that we love so much. So much feedback through the controls.The Beemer kinda has that ‘6’ pot sound, hmmmm. Weird. I reckon the cars tick boxes for those who like the individual marques in fairness. This is a really cool comparison. 43.5k, ouch lol. I’m guessing the economy, insurance group and running costs are still similar? Lmao at the scoring process, ya silly sods.
Would help if we could count 😂
Petrol Ped, no words driver, no words 😂😂😂👍
Does seem slightly harsh comparing a car at the end of its life cycle to a brand new car.
Also, haven’t the latest MINI’s been given nicer LCD style displays?
But which one won 😜
Only the E Mini and GP have the LCD screen. You’ll have to wait for the next series on Mini for that 👍
Great video, would have thought it would be a draw though
It nearly was 😜
Petrol Ped MR. BMW is never going to get another BMW to review 😂
Plus I can still get a manual in the Mini and harder to find now with the BMW
I swapped my 2016 BMW M235i for a late 2019 JCW R56 in white/silver with a red roof and full leather, and I don't miss it, I find the MINI interestingly quirky inside, a more involved drive and more toys and a pan roof, o.k. the six cylinder engine roar is no more so now I work the four cylinder harder and it produces an enjoyable sound and a more exciting drive, not as fast but close, looks the dog's dangly bits as well, looking back the M235i's aesthetics are a tad boring compared to the JCW.
The right result there I reckon too. Your maths skills have dropped Pete, need to do some more day job maybe to oil the cogs 😂
I know...should be able to count to 10 😂
6:22 Pete’s disgruntled face
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Very interesting, I haven't driven either and so I can only comment on looks which I wouldn't weight as high as 1 whole point, but I really don't like the look of the mini.
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Great video PP
Unfortunately as I commented on Joes channel I don’t like minis unless it’s the original ones (Italian Job era )
But then if u think about it’s the same as people buying the Urus instead of buying the RSQ8
Same underneath but just a badge.
Love this 👍
Haha love it!
I've been waiting for this comparison for some time. Worth a thought. You can have a really nicely speced Clubman JCW and keep it under £40k which avoids the luxury car tax. Not so easy in the M135i
Interesting. Not thought about that 👍
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Please get to an airfield to drag race them... pretty please!
This
I wish 😬
The Mini has bags more exterior styling than the BMW and the rear double doors just adds even more to its appeal. I just wish they'd update the interior dials and change them to LCD screens as the BMWs are.
That being said, a great video and good to see you used up all of Joe's petrol instead of yours. :-))...
He used mine on his video 😂
Last question should of been half each really, joe wanted to say Bmw but was trying to please mini fans and still have a win for Bmw, but it would of taken it to a draw.
For me though it just sums up the new M135i, good but not special. The M140i would of probably won that 8-2. Good video though 👍🏻
Maybe, but we weren't 'trying to please' anyone 😜
Top 5 :)
6th 😜
For me has the MINI style.
Me too 😜
Good job it wasn't out of more than 10.
Shoes and sock off....lol
LOL...I know 😂
My baby wins! Yaaasss!
Greater than the sum of the parts 🤣 what a pair of spanners 🤣
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I wouldn't buy either, sorry guys love ya honest :-)
No worries 👍
In France price difference around €10,000 with comparable spec in favour of the mini......easy choice then!
Interesting 🤔
I'll start by saying I'm not a great fanboy of either car or either brand. That out of the way... For me, the BMW doesn't look at all special. Take the grille and the badges away and it looks much like a whole bunch of other hatchbacks, many of which cost a lot less. No matter how good the BMW may well be on paper, it just can't justify its price. There are some great options out there for the same or less money, even brand new if you're not a brand snob, and when you consider what you can get used, you can get a serious bit of kit for that money.
All that said, for me, the Mini is also too much money for what it is, but then when you go on various configurators, particularly when spec'ing any Euro car, it's not at all hard to get to these numbers, even for cars starting for less than 30 grand, to get the cars the way you want them. Nonetheless, there are also great options out there for the price of the Mini, although for the price of the BMW the options definitely increase and improve significantly.
However, at least the Mini doesn't look the same as everything else. More of a marmite car, I accept that is probably the case, but we live in a time where too many cars look almost the same and where the pressure to conform has in many ways become utterly oppressive.
For the time being at least, the thought police haven't criminalized choosing a car that looks different, and that reason would be enough for me to choose the Mini, even though the BMW's plus points are maybe logically more compelling for me personally.
It's also perfectly reasonable to not want to stand out from the crowd when choosing a car, as there are sadly real potential negative consequences to choosing a car that doesn't blend in like many others do.
Ignoring price for a moment, I am sure the BMW is a practical, competent and safe car that allows you to go out for a spirited drive without drawing unwanted attention that may be more easily attracted in a more individual car, and these are compelling characteristics but not necessarily a unique selling proposition.
On the other hand, I do not agree that wanting to express some individuality necessarily comes from immaturity or that a definition of maturity must necessarily include being bland, boring or even being sensible to the point of not wanting to express oneself.
Lastly, I mentioned how easy it is to spend a small fortune spec'ing a car how you would really want it. Euro car makers in particular seem to be only offering the most useful of the new technologies, including the safety technologies, like adaptive criuse control, on the highest trim levels, meaning you have to choose a high trim level, which increases the price dramatically before they become an option, and even then you may have to choose an expensive option pack to get what you want along with other stuff you don't need. I am especially interested in air cond., parking aids, pedestrian protection, collision avoidance, adaptive cruise, and Android Auto. Adaptive cruise in particular is often unavailable without paying a lot, yet it is something I really want, and I know all these technologies are actually inexpensively available to all manufactuers, basically off-the-shelf from their suppliers.
I think it is extremely dubious to not offer the satety technologies just about every car review talks about as an addition to the most basic trim level. Even then, I think they should be standard on every new car. How can safety be an option? The government is legislating to push manufacturers to offer and consumers to buy what manufacturers might not otherwise offer and consumers might not otherwise buy, etc etc etc, yet readily available car safety systems are not mandated. We are headed to a culture where humans are not allowed to drive on the grounds of safety, yet maybe a human driver can be as safe, even safer, if s/he drives a car equipped with all the safety systems a fully autonomous car will have. We are allowing humans to become inferior to machines, yet it would be some machine to be able to do everything as well as the average human. We are a fully integrated 'machine' that has much greater capacity for multi-tasking and greater sensory awareness incl. foward thought and perception than any machine. You would need multiple integrated supercomputers to have a chance of replicating our functional capacities. Maybe many of us need training, but as the saying goes, you use it or you lose it.
Anyway, rant over.
If it were my money and these were the only two car models I could choose between, I think the Mini has a so-called x-factor that the BMW simply does not have.
As always, YMMV.
You win the award for my longest ever comment 😜
Very funny but Mini wins 👍🧽🏁🖖✋all fingers and thumbs
Just a question,What car hit the ugly tree the hardest? Man they're both "boot" ugly.
I'm sure the BMW is probably nicer as a car but for smiles per mile the Mini wins.
Yep 👍
Still hate the new 1 series but having test drove the new clubman I would swap to a clubman but keep my m140 rather than buy a m135i
Ian houghton lol
Look good for 47ish :)
Thank you 😜😂
You went from 3 to 5 😂
Yep :-(