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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 3 ต.ค. 2024
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Anakin was right...
When you single handedly defeat the Galaxy's strongest being , do a lot more than the Jedi Council has ever done, but you are still not granted the Rank of Master.
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Satele Can no longer ignore the Dark Side in me because the Emperor is dead and the deed is done. If he was still alive she would easily ignore it !
I only wish the General Title was still in game , i would gladly exchange it for the Master. It makes no sense to remove it and still give you the rank of Master right after this quest finishes..
oh they changed it? I can understand why tho. It's for that exact reason that I always picked light side when possible I didn't want to miss out on that title. They probably did so that it wouldn't influence people's decisions like it did mine. But it is a same still to be sure.
@@Mikestriken 'They probably did so that it wouldn't influence people's decisions' IDK being a General of the Republic as a Jedi is pretty badass
@@GhostWarrior334 well it influenced my decision so that's all I can say.
"Good, _gooooood_ let the hate flow through you"
Not true I literally just completed another dark Jedi knight story and I got the General title lol.
"The dark side has cast its shadow over you"
i wonder what gave it away
its the shoes. its always the shoes. darksiders have this unique shoemaker who crafts all the sith boots.
the eyes and corruption and matching outfits with lord scourge are just coincidences
I think it was the wardrobe choice.
I think it might've been the accent
I think it’s just a phase
More like its eye shadow. Always an easy to spot sign
Icy: This is outrageous, it's unfair, how can you have done more for the Republic than the whole Jedi Council combined and not be a master?
Satele: Take a seat, young Icy
Icy: Forgive me master
Meanwhile
Vitiate: *shakes his head*
Revan: First time?
Later....
Master Icy there are too many of them what are we going to do!?!
Icy: What must be done *Ignites Lightsaber*
Funny how the one that has the most respect for the guy being Anakin-ed is a black guy
Take a seat, young Giorgio.
well well well, since jedi master isnt a career option for you i hear on dromund kaas they recently lost an emperor. your particular skillset would be an excellent fit for the position
Gets denied the rank of master.
*proceeds to prove why you shouldn't of been considered for the Rank of Jedi Master.*
Jedi Council: *proceeds to shake their head.*
Sounds like an excellent idea for an expansion. Lol
@@ramarblood7697 consider it a career change. You realise your current occupation isn't going anywhere, so you decide to seek better opportunities.
@@martinosborne4703 Yeah, that's why ambitious people shouldn't seek out the rank of Master.
The point of the Jedi council is that, ideally, they represent servant leaders. It's not a "promotion," because they're supposed to be responsible for so much that it weighs heavily on them and they only take the position out of a sense of duty.
The fact that the council has fallen from that ideal to pampered bureaucrats a la Edo-period Samurai is the only reason "being a Jedi master" feels like a promotion.
@@HollowGolem true its why I prefer to go sith and Empirial because the sith are like men and women climbing the modern ladder even if they murder and we just ruin the lives
Guess I am not the only one who didn't become Master.
Looks like the deal has been altered, pray the council doesn't alter it any further
but you are a Master.... At getting caught.
Long live the sith
I want a AU where someone left a data pad in Anakin’s room or somewhere where Anakin would find it that had the location of Koraban and Drummond Kas.
Only a master of evil, Darth.
Rumor has it the Jedi knight later felt a sudden urge to reorganize the Republic into a new Empire
For a safe and secure society
Or conquer a new one.
"Power! Unlimited POWER!"
She just wanted to bring peace and security to her new empire... wait a minute.
@@HanithSVK the attempt on her life's career has left her emotionally scarred and disillusioned.....but I assure you her resolve HAS NEVER BEEN STRONGER!
That General boosted his political reputation in the Republic and One Upped Satele. That guys gonna go places.
One upped Satele how?
One upping means gaining advantage over someone.
Satele is not interested in pursuing political career,though it might be interesting to have her as a Supreme Chancellor someday.
That said,I doubt that the little people,especially those in the lowest reaches of the Coruscant,would notice the difference over some typical polititian.
@@GameslordXY k
@@GameslordXY It was a power move for the general. If the troops admire a hero, aligning yourself with that hero also means the troops admire you too.
@@GameslordXY Satele snubbed the biggest war hero of the republic since her ancestor. The general embraced her. It's easy to see that the general just boosted his appeal and slammed satele at the same time. Also the jedi are interested in politics so she would know what just happened and that she let her pride get in the way of a political victory for the jedi, who need to look good because the galaxy is in another "jedi civil war." Satele should have publicly embraced her then if she wanted to in private at a council meeting rip into her and punished her then.
@@chriswilder9719
I never said that the Jedi aren't interested in politics at all.
Just that they have no interest to compete for political positions.
Jedi have talents that no general can provide without the approval of the Jedi Council.
Such as Jedi going to war.
Numbers,the choice of Jedi and stuff like that.
Generals and polititians can request something,but final decision is up to the Jedi Council.
That said,they shall usually approve requests of polititians is my impression.
After the sacking of Coruscant,conquering of Alderan and Balmora and stuff like that,mosr people are aware of where Jedi Order's loyalties are or are not.
Some might be wary around them regardless,but I doubt many hate them.
Grandmaster Satele Shan in her Jedi Knight days,was one of the greatest heroes of the Republic.
If not the greatest.
She and her "husband" Jace Malcolm.
I approve her timing,because I see it as a form of a test.
To see how Dark Jedi in front of her responds.
The way she responds in this case,proves that she is unworthy of the title of Jedi Master.
A Dark Jedi training Jedi younglings and fresh Padawans could be disasterous.
Just look at that mess with Exar Kun.
Without Armies of Light knowing how to perform Wall of Light,the galaxy would be doomed.
They cannot risk such a sceranio repeating,because this time,they might not get an opportunity like that.
Satele recognized her contributions though,masterhood or no masterhood.
That should be sufficient imo
'Prepare the sacrificial younglings!'
Young Jedi: 'The what?'
HAHAHA
I busted in tears when I read this 😂
History doesn't repeat, bit it so often rhymes.
One thing I hate about this particular ending is that, when Satele tells you you're not ready to become a Master, she says it in front of LITERALLY EVERYONE ELSE. Like, how embarrassing is that?! Couldn't she tell you in private or something?! Sheesh!
whats even more embarrassing is that even tho you're light side and got promoted to jedi master, on the Makeb storyline yr character introduces himslef as a Jedi Knight to Shalim.
I swear the writers either forgot or the devs and company are lazy to have the VA do an extra voice line
Right?
It’s like your teacher telling you to come up and read a secret note out loud in front of the whole class
@@danknerevarine3678 Actually, masters do not address themselves as masters to outsiders. It is an honourific used exclusively within the order. This is not to say that people do not call them "master" even when they are not (because that still totally happens) but they do not introduce themselves as "master" to outsiders. They usually go with their 'class' (knight, sentinel, consular.) Or simply "I am _______, a jedi."
@@antonyduhamel1166 what? They do not address each other by categories like their "class"(guardian, consular, and sentinel) , knight is the next rank to be attained by a padawan. Though you are right that jedi knights are occasionally still referred to by jedi and non jedi as "Master jedi", or simply "master" by their padawan, knights who are appointed as masters do not introduce themselves as knights.
I believe that line was used since it plays safe as there are also players who played pure dark side jedi knight story.
@@danknerevarine3678
Most commoners might not understand the difference,I think.
And there is no way for most of them to know if someone is or isn't a Jedi Master,1st time they meet them.
Also,it is the term of respect.
Like Lord or Sir
That awkward moment where the DS Knight advances further in the Republic Military than the Trooper ever does.
Please tell me more-
Trooper is too busy commiting warcrimes for the republic
Lol I'm quite happy I just got promoted to Captain yesterday. Miss the days when I was just a Sergeant.
What’s even funnier is that in the end of onslaught when the trooper is invited back to the republic they still only get the rank of colonel
@@seijuroakashi9535 wait, really?!
Guess my trooper finally gonna say "bye" to the Republic...
I like how she put you on blast in front of everyone and most likely the entire republic since this must be televised.
Yes,as a lesson.
And a test to see first hand how you respon to emotional pressure.
At least we are generals now
@@McLovin18-88 hilarious
Its also funny how the admiral immediately turned around and made her look ungrateful too.
Satele: You have struck a great blow against the Empire. You have saved countless lives and helped the galaxy in ways the Republic could never hope to repay. But we deny you the rank of Master. You're not one of us.
Me: Peace is a lie, there is only passion...
Immediately strikes down Satele knowing no one in that room could lift a finger to stop you.
- "huh guess I'm a master now"
@@gareiis2824 Not really since you need the Council to approve of it, but Satelr could likely catch that lighsaber like she did in the cut scenes and screw you up tbh.
@@ramarblood7697 Hell no, satele and the player are at LEAST even. Since you go up against the literall emperor and malgus and defeat both? The player would win that fight
"Through passion I gain strength...."
Kid her son and ex in future, lol
This must be how Anakin felt 😂
except anakin didn't save the entire galaxy from the most powerful sith lord of the time (yet)
@@revanruler6404 He was still a famous war hero, one of the Republic's best generals and his individual contributions to the war effort drastically shifted the balance of power in their favor.
He was also the only person given a seat on the Council, and thus Council/Master level responsibilities, without the titular respect afforded to those who actually hold the rank of Master.
The real reason Anakin was so pissed is revealed in the novelization. The movie makes it seem like he just feels entitled, but in the novel it's said that Jedi Masters have access to forbidden archives about Sith lore. Anakin was hoping to find some information about Darth Plagueis's ventures into immortality to save Padme, but he couldn't do that if he remained a Knight.
@@azronger7214 yeah this is deep, they let him no choice, but to join palps
@@revanruler6404 Anakin saved the galaxy from the 2 most powerful sith lords of his time; Palpatine and himself, Darth Vader. Not to mention killing Dooku
This is outrageous! It's unfair!
*SiTh* down young Skywalker
Take a seat, young player character.
Take a shit, young Abracadabra6203...
DS knight is so hilarious. Getting anakined was unexpected.
I believe my exact words when it happened to me was "you've got to be shitting me, I just got Anakined"
@@PeferG17 "take a seat, young not Skywalker"
Thats what you get for making all those dark side choices lol.
@@ramarblood7697 I was like screw this shit! I'm joining the Empire!
A surprise to be sure.
Satele: "The dark side has cast its shadow over you. I sense your anger and ambition growing. I can no longer ignore it."
Translation: "Now that you've defeated the Emperor, we don't really need you anymore and I'm not worried about offending you."
They do still need you,which is why Light and Neutral receive the title of Master.
And we do not grant you the rank of master
I mean look at her tho. If the Jedi Order decided to make a propaganda film about the evils of the Sith and the dark side and needed someone to play the roll of the classic evil villain mastermind, they wouldn’t cast her because she looks so stereotypically evil it’d practically be parody.
@@nerdlydelicious1876 right? Like her face so corrupted it's impossible for anyone to ignore! 😅
@@nerdlydelicious1876
That actually makes a lot of sense and is fucking gold
Random jedi attending the ceremony: She's a hero who basically saved the galaxy. I have no idea why council says she can't be a master.
*the most evil looking person in the galaxy, sith lord and what looks like their sex slave walks in*
Random jedi: ...I get it.
She does not look like a sex slave. Just…free spirited.
@@nikik5567 They meant Scrouge.
@@tommenno scourge is the sex slave?
@@nikik5567 You look me in the eye and tell me he's not a bottom.
@@tommenno I…I honestly can’t do that.
How could they do this? How can you kill the emperor and not be a jedi master?
Take a seat, Icy Winters
@@SheriffSticky forgive me master
To be fair, basically being a walking stereotype of a Sith isn’t exactly something you want in a Jedi Master.
@@myworstenemy7966 True 😂
You don't want a Darksider to future generations until you are reasonably certain loyalty shall remain and even then,you might greatly limit it.
Per lore and history,Dark Jedi never remained fully if at alll loyal long term and tend to do more harm than they ever did good.
She did the right thing.
Satele: You will never be a Jedi Master
Icy: But why?!
Satele: Have you looked in the mirror recently? This isn't a riddle.
Sounds like that jedi master wants to start a whole new thing she is not prepared to handle..
Such as?
@@GameslordXY Oh... a vendetta that stretches allllll the way through to the current xpacs
Hide the younglings
@@Maowka
Ummm...sure,sure.
Whatever you say Master Scarlet Who Is Mad.
@@GameslordXY Wrong person.
We acknowledge your accomplishments, but we do not grant you the rank of master.
Hero of Tython: (Ignites Lightsaber) It’s treason then.
Satele: The Senate will decide your fate.
@@Straswa Sheev spins into the room: I am the Senate
-distorted scream after spin-
@@AgentSmithXD We don’t call him Sheev. That’s Disney canon garbage. This the original canon of 1-6 and the Expanded Universe.
@@KingNazaru This is the *true* Way.
*Satele Can:* "You will never be a master!
*Icy:* "Are you threatening me, master Jedi?"
Satale must be an ancestor to Mace Windu because of the “You are on the council…but we don’t grant you the rank of Master” vibe 😂
its actually worse here because basically she said, "You are NOT on the council, and we also do not grant you the rank of Master." 🤣
Everybody needs a hype man like Admiral Dahrin
TAKE A SEAT, young general.
- Some Jedi council member
Having played all the stories I can tell you that the Jedi Council has some of the least appreciative members that regularly make choices. The admiration, respect, it all belongs to the Imperial side where hierarchy and merit shines above lineage (in the majority of circumstances). In the Republic however only those who are politically useful or well connected receive recognition in any fashion aside from a patronizing pat on the head or gold star. The trooper? Told to shove off. Consular? Here is seat on the council, it was empty and you were the first person we thought to fill it. Guardian? You've done more than any one of us has accomplished in decades, perhaps ever in our lifetimes, yet we only give you this position because your previous Master has passed away. Scoundrel? Here is your literal gold star.
Inquisitor; honored and feared the keeper of the most potent secrets and knowledge of the Sith Empire
Warrior; honored and feared the wrath of the Empire an absolute legend
Bounty Hunter; honored, legendary, a Champion in every regard without question
Agent; betrayed and manipulated the only Imperial class to have been given the Trooper treatment
I love your description of each class.
@@JabamiLain thanks haha
Somehow you completely miss that those classes each seek different things. Consular would still go out inTo the galaxy to heal and do diplomacy even if he was not elevated, because that is his calling. Guardian would hunt down Sith because he is the best at fighting them to protect others. Scoundrel could not care less about the medal, he got access and contacts to highest positions in the Republic to use for his illegal business. Trooper is a soldier, career military and got the rank out of what he did. None of these goals are attractive to imperial characters, otherwise they would defect like Elara Dorne did. As for the Agent, if you play a chiss on Voss he admits Empire means nothing to him, he serves because he was scouted out of Chilla security forces and to protect his homeworld he does what he does. Human imperial agent gets off on the intrigue and survived profession that kills practically everyone else.
Agent honestly has lots of outcomes. Its up to u being a fool or an extremly powerfull figure holding a key to blackmail, backstab and other dirty (sometimes not so) tricks, feared across galaxy.
Technically, the Agent has the ability to, as the Sith say, “break their chains” and be free depending on the end choices with the codex.
Satele:
- throws a party because you killed the Emperor
- blasts you in front of the whole crowd
- refuses to promote you
- refuses to elaborate
- leaves
Sigma Satele
Beta bitch Satele.
Satele: Yeah I'm not granting you the rank of Master.
Player: Oh, ok then, have fun on your own next time the Jedi dig themselves into a hole they can't get out of.
3000 years later....
Palpatine: The time has come, Execute Order 66.
Sateles Ghost: Ummm.
Players Ghost: I warned you that you were on your own, have fun loser!
Lol
Kreia's ghost: **Waving her arms** I TOLD YOU SO
This was always hilarious to me given how many times Satele herself has broken the rules and the jedi code, lol
Lol that's exactly what I thought when I was playing Dark Jedi as well. I mean, yeah I agree my character was a war criminal, she got the job done, but not because of heroic responsibility. But, hearing judgement from a jedi like Satele, I was wishing a dialoge option of "right back at you bitch" :D
When did she?
@@Chosen9038[Gestures at Theron Shan and Satele's romantic history with Jace Malcom]
"The dark side has cast it's shadow over you" waiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit what. Icy is dark side? wow what a plot twist.
Did she just do a "You saved us, but you'll kill us. I'm sorry. You're a hero... and you have to leave"
2:05 well.... *comically large sheet of paper rolls down the floor all the way to the entrance*
And that's only from the -survivors- -victims- people we MANAGED to find
"You Will Never Be a Jedi Master !"
Unfortunately for you, history will not see it that way.
Thats very passive agressive of you satele.
I am altering the deal, pray I don't alter it further
The Sith is known for their cruelty, but the Jedi is known for their arrogance. Did not even deny her the title of master nicely, could have just said: "In time, I believe you will become a great Jedi Master", but still went with public shaming of saying she is dark and driven by her anger and ambition. No wonder Anakin turned on them
I mean, Anakin was "merely" brash, arrogant and impatient. Icy looked like she was about to ask Satele if she wanted to know how she got these scars.
Satele: you helped us gain great victories in this war, but I do not grant you the rank of master.
Icy: What? .....
This is outrageous... it's unfair!
How can you kill the emperor, and not be a master.
Satele: we'll talk about this later young icy.
So not only was the council entirely useless, and some of them even detrimental to your quest to save the galaxy, but they have the sheer freaking nerve to criticize the way you saved everyone while they either sat in their seats being useless or were actively aiding the enemy. Satele can "no longer ignore it" now that the job is done and she thinks she has nothing more to gain, she conveniently avoids handing out any rewards that way too. The jedi truly are the masters of being hypocrites.
ikr the sith reward you even if you're light side, and you know your "good guys" are hypocrites when even the backstabbing opportunistic "bad guys" treat each other with more respect
@@revanruler6404 Dude, you literally have to murder and brainwash people to get here. It doesnt matter if you killed the emperor if you're just about as bad as them. It doesnt even matter how much good you've done for the republic you shouldnt be enshrined for your vicious, homicidal ways. What kind of precedent would that set? That all you need to be a master is just power, and honor or compassion are entirely optional?
The sith treat you nicer as light side because they only care about power. If you didnt have power they'd toss you out the wayside regardless of how you acted. The sith judge you based on your power and achievements, the jedi judge you based on your actions.
@@lenkagamine4145
To play Devil's Advocate, as a Jedi you still kill countless numbers of people throughout the whole storyline, the only difference is, you spared some people here and there and took the more peaceful/difficult option instead of taking the more direct route. On top of that, this game does take place during a war between the Empire and the Republic, which as we all know is never just good and bad. Plus, why should it matter overall how the Jedi Knight got to killing the Emperor? Good or bad, they still killed The Emperor, basically the most powerful sith of the entire era and saved the republic. They deserve actual recognition for doing so. During wartime atrocities are committed a lot more often that we want to admit after all. The Jedi council is fine with you racking up a body count large enough to fill up Republic dreadnought, but making a few decisions that they deemed wrong and tapping into the darkside of the force when the light was lacking is a problem. Maybe the Jedi Knight had no choice, maybe the situation forced their hand, maybe it was the quickest way to save the most lives. The Jedi Council doesn't know what the Jedi Knight had to do. In the end though, they still killed the Emperor, you can't just deny them that win and refuse to give them what they're owed because they dipped their toe into the Darkside a bit
And Now, I'm done. Not trying to start a war in the comments, just wanted to, well play Devil's Advocate for a bit 😅
@@byronjefferson1697 Its less about the killing and more how you do it. The jedi don't bat an eye if you have to kill an enemy in the heat of battle, but killing a defenseless enemy is clearly against their teachings.
It would be one thing if they were a strictly military organization, but they're a monastic order. Whats appropriate for one isnt necessarily appropriate for the other. Ruthlessness and brutality might earn you a position in the military, but its not going to make up for a lack of mercy or compassion to the Jedi.
You *are* still recognized for your efforts by the republic at large. This isnt a matter of your efforts being recognized or not, but you dont just give away the title of master to anyone whose really good at slaughtering fools. Thats not what being a master is all about.
LOL, I just remember Master Nomen Karr, the guy who was praised by the council and hailed as a hero, but when he is about to be defeated, he gives in to the dark side almost instantly. Jedi do many good things, but their arrogance on what is pure and right is just hypocritical
"Until I'm certain the Emperor left us no surprises"
And then came the expansions "Surprise, Motherfucker"
“You’ll have plenty of opportunities to prove yourself”
What could possibly even compare to KILLING THE FUCKING EMPEROR??
Kill him two more times
I hate how Scourge doesn’t get to stand up on the stage with you. I mean he may be a Sith, but that man is a hero.
He was a Sith
He doesn't want the honors anyway.
@@karlrovey he's above the Republics pathetic "honors" anyway.
No he is fucking not. He killed the exile! He betrayed Revan!
@@kylescoolclips for the greater good he saw the future
When this happened on my DS Jedi Knight I was genuinely pissed... cue the Anakin "this is outrageous" rant.
I've taken solace in the fact that if I ever do the DLC on my DS Jedi Knight I'm joining the Empire.
I'm considering doing just that with my current Knight, having him gradually turn to the dark.
"Good _gooooood_ let the hate flow through you"
@@rjramun I want to turn dark between chapters 2 and 3, then return to the light side for the "conversation for another time" just to see if it actually does anything.
@@karlrovey I'll be curious to see how that plays out.
Getting to be a Dark Side Jedi or a Light Side Sith makes me wish the game actually had a way in the story to swap your faction... and I'm not just talking about how it's done in the Onslaught storyline... I mean literally being able to go to the other faction's fleet and starting planets and being locked off from the fleet and starting planets of your faction of origin and being able to group up with characters of the faction you change to. I mean getting to be able to be a Jedi with the personality and voices of the Sith characters, a Sith with the personality and voice of the Jedi characters, an Imperial trooper, a Republic Agent, a Bounty Hunter who works for the Republic and a Smuggler who works for the Empire.
Light side Agent has several thousand reasons to defect permanently, honestly
@@nessanderson6460 I know that first hand... my Operative was Light Side and I found myself wishing his fake defection from Chapter 2 could be made real.
Yay, you finished the first arc of the tale of the most sith jedi in history. XD
Don't forget the Dark Concular.
You saved the galaxy Icy, so the Highest High council grants you: Nothing. And a lot of that!" XD
Satele: “The dark side has cast its shadow over you. I can no longer ignore it.”
Me: “How can you no longer ignore it despite the numerous responses she gave you when the two of you talked on her ship? Think, Shan! Think!”
"I feel your anger and ambition."
So lets block that ambition and make you more angry, no way that could ever backfire.
I'd cold snap and abandon the Jedi order after that. Renounce my position and affiliation to the Jedi and just retire somewhere. Next time a crisis goes down I'd just say "Sounds like thats a job for a master, I'm just a war hero sorry kiddo."
Or you know, just leave the Jedi order for the republic military
@@sothasil7716 or you know, leave the jedi order and defect to the sith empire
It's interesting that the corruption in your Jedi manifests as Light Side zealotry.
"This is outrageous ! It's unfair !" 🤣😂
Love the subtle but massive verbal middle finger the general gives to Satele
Satele: “I’m sorry but we don’t let emos to become Jedi Master.”
"You will never be a Jedi Master"
Me: "Execute order 66... oh wait, wrong era... dammit..."
I feel like Satale dies on the inside a little every time she has to acknowledge the existence of Icy. What a nightmarish abomination of a Jedi, holy shit.
Who, Satale?
Got more done than fucking Tol Braga, fuck lmao
That Jedi looks more sith then the literal sith standing in the same room😰
Lol the light side version feels so much happier and upbeat while this feels like you’ve just been called to the principles office.
Knight: kills a literal god
Satele: sorry, just not good enough
Icy: *Looks like the Joker with the eyes of Voldemort, literally dressed like an Imperial agent*
Satele: "We can't grant you the rank of Master"
Comments: "How unfair!"
Well she did save the galaxy, sorry she didn't win the way you wanted. Typical jedi you can save à whole galaxy but if you didn't do it the right way then you're the bad guy and the jedi Wonder why all their talented knights keep defecting
@@revanruler6404 DS Jedi Knight is a war criminal lol
@@animore8626 almost any Jedi (and republic military) is a war criminal at this point
Also "looks like the Joker with the eyes of Voldemort, literally dressed like an Imperial agent" is the judging by appearance and has nothing in common with committed crimes.
My calm and elegant Light Side 3 JC in pastel-colored dress committed more war crimes than DS Knight.
Also for some reason same old Satele happily gives the Master title to DS Council with even more war crimes...
@@kurokitsune5743 "looks like voldemort" is a common sign of dark side corruption, which 9/10 times is because you're evil lol
And I mean, maybe? DS JK requires you to make a shit ton of "strategic sacrifices" compared to LS JK which is pretty honorable in terms of military conduct
@@animore8626 or you may be traumatised by a dark side force technics.
If you remember, Palpatine was evil from the beginning and became ugly only after getting very unpleasant lightning in the face.
JK just fought the Emperor. She has reasons to look like this.
Also there are no reason for Satele's double standards. The dude that wanted to redeem the Emperor was the Jedi Master (not to mention DS Consular), bar should be really low.
Meanwhile other Jedi masters are guarding doors at the temple
I wish that you can Choose to leave the Jedi order at that point. And just do your thing with Scourge.
Satele really went "Let's humiliate this hero in front of the most important people of the Republic. Yeah, she has some darkness inside of her, but it's going to be just fine."
I wish DS Jedi could join the Sith. I would be so pissed if I was Icy.
Technically, they can now.
@@steve8610 They can for real???
@@hellshing4866 Not at that instance, but after the Eternal Empire arc, you can have your character, Jedi or Sith, choose to side with either the Republic or Empire.
So you can definitely have your Jedi character join the Sith Empire (I've never played it that way, so idk how it goes)
@@steve8610 I'll have to try that 👀
"You are on this council, but we do not grant you the rank of Master"
90s kids when talking to folks born in 1999
Its treason then
The Jedi Council: antagonizing his best since the beginning.
Well, the literal embodiment of darkness being a Jedi does sound a little odd. At least your a general now, and maybe one day, supreme chancellor, and then, emperor, and then leader of the final order, and then, .....
God of the galaxy?
@@a.b.s.anonymousbastardofso9459 I was thinking the Senate, but that title belongs to one, and Valkorion called dibs on force god title.
"Wipe them out......all of them"
DS Consular: *smug chuckling*
Kira: Are you really gonna make me go to a major ceremony with only a small top to cover my cleavage?
Icy Winter: What cleavage?
This is outragous. Its unfair!!!!
Everyone else is complaining about Satele not granting Icy the rank of master, while I'm off in the corner complaining about her not taking it far enough. Because lets face it Icy is dangerous, and more really needs to be done to rein her in.
Dont worry Satele will answer for this , sooner or later
@@georgigs tell her Theron sends his regards (she'll know what it means)
@@knuckles543 oh damn, that'll escalate
yeah for real
its like people are offended that you arent rewarded for being a homicidal maniac
@@lenkagamine4145 still happens even if you take the non-homicidal choices that the Jedi disapprove of, so
the next person that says that in a few thousand years ends up dead
Much later during the Revan expansion, you get the title of "Jedi Battlemaster" if you're a dark-sided jedi.
You get that title regardless of alignment.
The Darkside ending to the Knight story should have seen them follow Scourge's vision of taking the throne and ruling the Empire as the one we got is shit.
Imagine the voice of Satele Shan saying.
"Our greatest fear has come to pass. Our greatest Champion of the Light has fallen to the Darkness and become our greatest enemy."
Add in shot of your character sitting on the Throne with Scourge on one side and the love interest on the other.
Satele "we can't grant you the rank of master"
DS knight "this is otrageous, it's unfair!"
Satele "yo dude, did you look yourself in the mirror recently? You aren't just a clown, you are the entire circus"
In a way, you not being a master makes some sense.
It's true that you did help save the republic, but despite being a Jedi, you abandoned everything that the Jedi are supposed to represent. Despite most Jedi being massive hypocrites, they are supposed to follow a code, and even the worst light sided Jedi follow that code in some way, but a DS Knight doesn't even try to follow it. The reason you aren't granted the rank of Master is not because you aren't powerful enough, but because you don't represent what the Jedi should be in any form.
See this kind of thing is interesting because it really does show a form of hypocrisy in the Jedi, and an overarching lack of any consideration for people as individuals really.
I mean in Kotor they forbade Revan and the other knights from joining the Mandalorian war, but Revans choice saved the entire republic and the jedi by extension, on the other hand the jedi used and reprogrammed a Sith lord (i.e Revan again) to try and defeat the sith and Malak. So on this we have the Jedi council not even raising a finger to help the Republic from the Mandalorians and even punishing the jedi who did go, and then they will go so far as to take one of the most powerful Sith of their time and manipulate their mind and also use the republic for that matter to win a war with a rival they are ideologically opposed to.
And then you see this crap from the Jedi again with the Exile who returned and was punished after the war, and then when the Exile helps/saves the masters, instead of helping the exile or considering any alternative action, they just try to forcefully strip the Exiles force against their will.
Maybe it's really because the Jedi don't seem to recognise the individual, recognise their achievements or see any wrong in their actions when they detrimentally affect an individual even through they are not killing them.
Ah, the jedi council. There is a german saying that i always have to think about when seeing them and that fits for every incarnation of them we see, be it the one from the movies or this jedi council.
“To tear down with your ass what you just built with your hands”
3:03 Looks like the Admiral was very happy about seeing Satele from behind.
I would be too
Its kind of funny how she is a descendant of Revan and have yet to learn from his mistakes, since this is pretty much what happened before Revan started the civil war and helped rebuild the sith empire
What makes this so much more hilarious is Satelle does practically nothing to the far more murderous dark side Jedi Concilor.
Valkorion: Allow me to introduce myself.
And just like that, Satele created a sith opponent like she never imagined.
I swear the character outfits in these are always so good it's insane ehfjcjcjcjc
"Fine, I'll just rebuild my own Empire then."
One fatal flaw the Jedi never understood: Not every being is immune from resentment. The Jedi have, more times than not, brought about their own near-extinction in Legends by offending and upsetting other Jedi with their verdicts.
The Jedi only ever had three purges. The second (the Great Jedi Purge from the films) is the only one instigated by an active member. The first was by the Sith Triumvirate (mostly Sion and Nihilus), and the second was by Darth Krayt (who, while a former Jedi, did not did not turn because of anything the Jedi did, but many decades after the Order was already destroyed by Palpatine).
So I'm not sure I'd agree with your assessment.
@@steve8610cause Nihilus was Force-sensitive on Malachor, I assume he was former Jedi, as well as Kreia...
So all 3 purges happened cause of Jedi.
I remember when Satele didn’t give me my honorary rank of a master, despite me being the one making the major changes in the galaxy …and doing the councils dirty work….so you can imagine when I started doing the expansions right after…and I saw the opportunity that I could side with Empire, and now have access to options to “sabotage “ the Republic from within …..i couldn’t pass it up >:)
Go through the whole jedi knight story: Sorry you're not ready to become a master
Jedi Consular heals a few dudes who are sicky wicky like 2 hours into the story: Wow you're the greatest we give you the rank of Jedi Master now
Heals a few dudes?..
My DS consular killed em all!
Got the "Master" title anyway.
Satele has no consistency
Hmmm this seems like a combination of Anakin and Revan. Revan, due to the massive support and respect they got from non-Jedi officials. Just wait to turn evil and you have several supporters eager to join your cause.
Anakin, in how the council was afraid or didn’t trust him, this making him seek appreciation from non Jedi officials.
next step: go postal on younglings, but first: georgi, did you ever hear the tragedy of Darth Plagueis the Wise?
Icy : This is outrageous! It's unfair! How can I have singlehandedly defeated the Emperor and not be a Master?!
Satele : I'VE SPOKEN
Icy : At least I get the rank of general... You just wait for the DLC...
Satele : *I SAID I'VE SPOKEN BITCH*
This coming from the "do as I say not as I do" grandmaster. Jedi is so full of it.
How to be a jedi master: Stop being yourself and anything that makes you unique.
There, you're welcome.
And thus the Jedi Knight decided to kill Satele's son as revenge for this humiliation.
And her husband.
@@Maowka Malcom was not her husband, just the guy she had a fling with, which is against the Jedi code, but don't tell her that.
@@Paragon231 She *technically* married him later, or at least from what I remember of the book. But yeah.
You forget "fuck him" part :D
I still want to do DS Knight/Theron video with fragments of Billie Eilish's "bad guy":
"I'm that bad type
Make your mama sad type
Make your girlfriend mad tight
Might seduce your dad type"
Cause DS JK can do it almost literally!
Well, except the gf line, cause Theron has no gf, but we can use Lana for this line (sorry, Lana)
“You’re on this council, but we do not grant you the rank of Master” before it was cool
Satele knows you didnt REALLY kill the emperor, that's why you havent been granted the rank of master
What else does Satele know??
When you make a dark side user a general
What could possibly go wrong
They have general Garza in the army, so I guess the moral bar for being general is just low enough...
I always wanted for Satele to cast us out of Jedi order for being on dark side only for our character to tell galaxy that Jedi did nothing and brag bout hypocrisy , then storm out from meeting.
The Sith are purists, but at least they still give you your title, no matter what alignment you chose.
The Jedi fear the dark side. You can save the galaxy but if you didn't do it while on "the light side" you can't truly get the credit you deserve for your abilities.
The reality is for all the Jedi talk of fear, it's theirs of the dark side that truly holds them back. A full Darkside Jedi/Sith just saved the galaxy for the third time, if that doesn't disprove their notions about what's good and what's evil, nothing will.
7 years saving the galaxy. Nukes True Evil. Wins the hearts and minds of billions.
Still an Ensign....
You know the last time a hero wasn’t granted rank of master it didn’t end so well for the Jedi order.
You mean: "The next time". ^^
“You are on this council, but I do not grant you the rank of master”
"You're not ready to become a Jedi master"
Unsheaths lightsaber*, could you repeat that :)
Honestly, given the character’s response, I can see why the rank of Master was denied. Or, perhaps it’s more accurate to say delayed, or postponed, till the “child” grows up. No denying the character has considerable potential and talent, and recognition should be acknowledged as such. But when one allows their emotions to dictate their reactions, they are unfit for the rank and responsibility of leadership. At least for the time being. Nice cut scene. I remember when SWTOR first launched, I had a character in just about every faction.
THANK YOU! Truth be told, the fact that Satele is going out of her way to basically keep you from being arrested for a horrific rap sheet in the hopes you can redeem yourself is a shocking act of mercy.
To quote Revan ruler, "She did save the galaxy. Sorry she didn't win the way you wanted." And honestly, he's right. Revan was the wisest of Jedi, and he, according to the Jedi, let his emotions dictate his actions to go fight in the Mandalorian Wars. Same with the Exile, who, might I add, RESTORED THE JEDI ORDER, fought with Revan, which, according to Atris, was her allowing her passions to dictate her actions.