EXACTLY, MAN STILL TOOK THEM ALL ON, well except Winter bc he thought she would handle the others while he fights off one at a time, but that finishing move she did though, that was so cool
@@Darth_Bateman don't forget that despite everything they have been through and the fact they have huntsmen and huntress licences, the main cast in this fight never finished there first year at Beacon and have been fighting almost exclusively Grim and random goons since volume 2, Emerald isn't exactly know to have exceptional combat skill and Ironwood has been fighting this war for decades as well as being one of Ozpin's go to people. If he hadn't been betrayed by Winter he probably would have won quite handily
One of my favorite details about this fight is that every time Ironwood notices that Winter is fighting him, his face is one of complete shock. Like he just cannot believe what he is seeing. It's tragic but man is it a great addition.
Even though I don’t really like the fight I can appreciate that little detail because it feels like he just turned into a villain because of nothing so seeing little details like that is nice
@@FacelessCrowd @Bartender Artist "If you were one of my men, I'd have had you shot" Ironwood, volume 3. Ironwood, bringing a whole army to Beacon. Ironwood, bringing a WHOLE FLEET to Beacon. Ironwood, the man who treats his school like a slave-soldier training facility where if you don't follow orders, you're immediately dismissed. Ironwood, the one who HAND PICKED Ace-ops as his most entrusted squad, the squad that were willing to commit war crimes and crimes against humanity for him barring Marrow and maybe Vine, but MOST ESPECIALLY Harriet, who still stands to be his most loyal SOLDIER. What other soldiers in our own human history have said "we're just following orders"/"just follow orders and don't ask questions"? He has been and always will be an authoritarian. Literally the one line, again, "If you were one of my men, I'd have had you shot." Ironwood has ALWAYS HAD villainous tendencies. Just because the authoritarian was on our side for the first 7 volumes, doesn't mean he was a good guy the whole time. The moment his actions and wants shifted more drastically from the main cast, is when the authoritarian continues to show what an authoritarian does when he's challenged. Detains or kills whatever and whoever is trying to oppose them and take control with an iron fist. People act like just because he claims to "want to do the greater good" that suddenly he's a good guy. You know what other leaders in history claiming they were doing it for the good of the people? Hitler. Mussolini. Stalin. Mao Zedong. All leaders that claim they're doing things for the good of the people and yet millions die under their rule.
@@RikuSage I get the gist of what you are saying but I think you should remember, another authoritarian figure was Vlad Dracule III, who used brutal scorched earth tactics, public executions, impalings and other more villainous actions to singlehandedly route an entire army ,and saving his country. And many of those that he executed were dissenters and deserters within his country. Again, I agree that Ironwood has the qualities of a tyrant, for a better word, but his methods are too rigid and closed minded, because at the end of the day, he's a soldier, and soldiers are trained to always react to threats with force first, even when such force is the wrong course of action.
Ooooo, is that civilized discussion in a replies section? How rare! (Crunchyroll user, I havent seen the most most recent episode on roosterteeth so don't shoot me) Ironwood is shown to be incredibly callous and heavy handed in his judgement, he is a flawed character- as most characters in the series are, Yang and her rage, Blake and her tragic backstory- each of them had a reason for what they did. Ironwood is no different, he has the position, strength, and willpower to do what needs to be done- so what kind of man would he be if he didn't do it? His semblance allows him to act with an iron fist and do what needs to be done regardless his personal quarrels/opinions making him the perfect man to make the most practical choices and thus a general- When he prioritized Atlas over mantle, it wasn't out of disdain or lack of care for mantle, it was simply the better choice in that scenario, when he made the decision there was no emotion involved, he just chose what made sense For refrence, I'm sure you all know this (but for those of you who don't and have stumbled across this with no context whatsoever) that every character in RWBY is based off of some fairy tale character (Yang- Goldilocks, Blake- the Beauty from Beauty and the beast) Ironwood is based off of the tin man, the character in (DAMMIT THE NAME SLIPS ME) anyways, the Tin man lacked a heart which shows in Ironwood's ability to act without emotion, everything he does is calculated and precise, deliberate and concise. Robotic. While we humans have built machines to make yes and no decisions based on practicality. This is a unique case because it is the opposite, Ironwood built himself into a man to make the most practical decisions, creating a rift between the machine and man in himself, I am personally interested to see the meltdown, I would imagine that he is exhausted and hasn't felt anything for about 2 years now, and I wonder what the first thing we are going to see from him emotionally is, that's my piece, peace out
Then he also stopped and lifted a Summoned Chimera Grimm with his bare hands afterwards... though I think they went over the top with the special effects on Ironwoods aura being broken. Just.. really RT, you had to go with the cheesy starlight twinkle fx? When every other aura break hasn't had anything close to that fancy or over the top? XD
@@Mister_Jay_Tee Yeah I know, but still the laws of physics exist... then again... *Remembers Volume 1 Ruby dead stopping her momentum in the landing that should have either obliterated the tree branch or torn her arms off*
I love that we get to see more of her because emerald and mercury were kinda just swept under the rug as the story went on seemed like a missed opportunity to me
I'm glad the team didn't make this longer than it needed to be. Like, yes, this man is literally getting jumped by a gang of high-tiers. He's going down fast
@@gokuandmario4ever To be fair, he was written to go crazy for basically no good reason. Team RWBY are always in the right since they're the protagonists.
@@wolfman6696 oh please Ironwoods descent has been written in the stars since V3. He was easily manipulated and played by the villains to do their job for him. Just cause you don’t like it doesn’t make it bad writing.
@@wolfman6696 Wait so first it was “for basically no good reason” and now it’s “super obvious”? I think you need make up your mind. Then again maybe you’re just trolling and it that case, have an amazing Sunday.
I love that the first move of the entire fight is disarming Ironwood. Even without his weapons he still put up a fight, so if they hadn't then he probably would've had a chance. I mean, he took a lightning boosted Nora slam straight to the face, and then immediately after held back a chimera summon with his hands!
@@halfknight2310 Vacuo is a land where the toughest one rules, and Theodore is the toughest Hunstmen there. Clearly leagues above Ironwood despite his strength.
Winter should have lopped his head off after defeating him. Ironwood was just as much a threat as Salem, what with threatening to nuke all the poor people of Mantle when he was supposed to protect all of Atlas, not just the rich people in the sky.
I think the weirdest thing is that she dont carry any visible dust with her, wich is pretty confusing, i had a headcannon that she dint use dust, that way, she would denay her fathers trade (Dust) but still use the unique trade from her "good part" of the family(Glyphs).
I personally find it so idiotic how she depends on summon so much now, almost like glyphs were thrown into the trash. We haven't seen Weiss use her glyph's rapidly in battle since V3.
Y’all can thank Winter for that. We’ve heard Winter tell Weiss that she needs to work more on her summons. Since Weiss holds Winter in such a high regard she takes her word to heart and follows whatever advice is given more seriously.
Please tell me I'm not the only one with a strange fixation on the way Emerald's voice comes across in the "I have" line. At first I thought they did a mix between Emerald's VA and Penny's VA, (like they've done for some Oz/Oscar lines in the past) but upon re-watching this it sounds like Penny's VA just did an impression of Emerald -- either way, I really like the cadence and delivery of that line. Something about it just hits right.
Someone asked Taylor if it was her or Katie doing that line and she said she couldn't remember XD It didn't sound like the overlap they used to do when Ozpin's VA and Oscar's VA spoke at the same time, more like how Oscar's VA does an Oz impression the rest of the time (before their voices started merging, at least - idk if they're still having Aaron copy Shannon these days given how much more he sounds like Oscar). So I think it was Penny's VA? But I'm not sure and that's impressive lol
Quick reminder that so far all the headmasters are based on Wizard of Oz characters. Furthermore, each of them has acted exactly how I imagine those characters would act if Dorothy wasn’t there for them and the Wizard got killed. The Cowardly Lion remained cowardly and sold out to the witch. The Tin Man never got his heart, but still kept trying to do good despite his lack of compassion. The next Headmaster will probably be someone too foolish or too overconfident to take Salem seriously.
@@kdroz Ah, but the op was talking about the main group from Wizard of Oz, not the Witch that got crushed by a house, which is who Headmaster Theodore is supposed to be based on.
@@thehighwayman3122 yeah in Before the Dawn book, Theodore's weapon are boxing gloves with gravity dust infused, which make them sparkle like the ruby red slippers! :) (I can't wait to see them in the show)
This reminds me of Fire Emblem, when the only enemy left is the boss so you stockpile all your dudes and hope one of them crits before you lose someone.
The one that crits is usually Guy or Lyn on hard/lunatic mode since everyone else can't seem to build up luck at all. Also, Lyn's sword mistress class is broken as fuck if comboed with her special sword. Like, on normal it gets 97% crit chance with 5 attacks and it's not bad at lunatic either
Genuine Question: Why do some people think Ironwood was heartless from the beginning? The guy was literary protective of every one of the people he has worked with and have seen or learned what they have been through. He literally called Jacques out when he said he had a half mind to possibly slap Weiss in front of everyone. It also seemed he was more of a father figure to Winter and Winter loved him back, not just respected him and I had the feeling one of the reasons Winter was so reluctant to leave him was because he had helped her so much. But that's just me.
I mean who would you trust? The man who defended beacon from salem, personally gifted yang her arm, became winter adopted farther figure, was ozpins most trusted ally. Or the girl who was working for salem, was personally responsible for the death of penny and Fall maden, the reason yang became hated during the tournament, who has used her literal powers of deception to trick the main cast during volume 3, and just shows up one day. I'd pick emerald too clearly the rational choice.
He had dictatorial tendencies, but had the tempering hands of Oz, Glynda, and probably Clover to help steer him. Without those restraints, and with his growing fear of what Salem could do, he gave in to the worst tendencies of his nature. I have anger issues, but that doesn't mean I'm going to slug anyone that annoys me. It means I have the tendency to lose control when I get angry and I need help to control that. Imagine if I didn't have thst awareness of people to help me
Pointers for me: - leader of the technically most advanced kingdom / a bunch of snops and slavery - possibly the newest headmaster to be introduced to "the truth", still failing to fully grasp it - inferiority complex - losing LITERAL parts of his body and not being somewhat scared by it in his actions (Btw, i'm not taking his semblance for real. It's just his personality. He is unstable and should not have carried so much power) - two highly demanding positions filled by one person Stress times 1M
i think the biggest factor is his semblance which solidifies his resolve and allows him to carry through with decisions. he is SO set on his plan being the right thing to do that anyone who fights against it is bad and that any casualties are worth the risk. it's like qrow's semblance. it doesn't disappear when his aura breaks. its there always. and i don't think he realized what he'd done until the very end because of his hyper-focus. and i imagine this is the hardest his semblance has ever had to work so it may have taken a toll on him from an empathetic standpoint. the lion was a coward. the tinman lost his heart. he was a kind man once. but his need for a solid resolve cost him everything. even his own empathy.
@@gamerbro8399 Spoiler alert: Well Neo is on the other side with RWBY and they surely will need to help from everyone there to get out. Wonder how that's gonna go
After rewatching this fight a few times, I noticed that aside from Emerald's initial kick, literally the only times Ironwood got damaged were either by Winter or by someone being supported by Winter. And each time Winter strikes he seems shocked. So if not for the shock of being betrayed, he would've probably bodied all of them...damn.
Literally the afican campaign in WW2, Rommel appears and the allies are like; oh shit, that man just wrecked us And then Montgomery appears and the axis react the same way
@@victor2641 What are you talking about? They literally didn't have any plans in place of ironwoods until the VERY last min and they stupidly sent the ppl to a dangerous desert
@@teopalafox bruh what, he was scared and made badly judged decisions and tried to follow through with those. He started becoming a lil crazy focusing to protect one thing and only saw one way through. makes complete sense to me
Emerald says doing the right thing feels weird, likely because she's been a villain for so long, but it's obvious she enjoys that feeling. Doing good feels good afterall.
I wonder how things will go when Emerald runs into Cinder again. I think she might try to convince Cinder to join their side against Salem and let her know that Salem is trying to destroy the world, but would have to fight her or run away most likely as unlike Penny, Cinder is not immune to illusions back to Ruby's Group when she realizes that Cinder's a power mad psychopath, that Cinder doesn't care what Salem does and realize that Mercury was right about how Cinder never cared for her.
@@93SuperSonic I'm hoping she or ANYONE ELSE tells Cinder that her quest for power is pointless due to the fact that if Salem succeeds, she won't live long enough to enjoy it.
@@Kovugamez Asuming Cinder even cares about the world. I get she was horribly abused (I give Cinder that as no deserves abuse), but it gives her no right to destroy everything in sight for power. Heck, Tyrian's okay with destroying himself if it means destroying the world. I think the only way to make him care for his own life is killing him before seeing Salem's goal come to pass.
@@93SuperSonic Evdn if Cinder hates the world, she still lives in it. I doubt even she's dumb enough not to realize she's just as screwed as everyone else.
@@Kovugamez I'll guess we see, considering that Cinder was willing to go behind Salem's back about Ruby's "death" instead of bringing her back alive and LYING to her face, all while killing Watts and leaving Neo to die.
@@adrenalyne7589 Very much! Her character development is subtle yet blunt! She’s still batshit insane and adorably funny, but now she is a voice of reason and the heart behind both team Rwby and Jnpr
Jnpr has literally become the z fighters in dbz they get in a couple hits, and then Oscar comes in with all his protagonist energy and steals the show.
Is it sad that I see JNPR as the group that comes before the main characters weakens the enemy or finds their weakness only to be forgotten once the main characters comes to fight the bad guy?
Qrow: gun sword that’s also a scythe. Edgy mega edgy. One liners and calls people kiddo Winter: sword that’s also two swords. Cold and calculating. Did everything she did in this fight. Conclusion: THEY ARE WEEBS Me: did this post, most likely in a similar boat
It's kind of funny how everyone in the comments hope Ironwood "gets what he deserves" because in a sense...I feel bad for him. Now, don't get me wrong. I do NOT agree with him, and I completely agree he needs to pay for what he's done. But at the same time his intentions aren't malicious. He's not like Cinder, Tyrian, or Salem. He's not trying to hurt people, he genuinely believes that this is the only way to save Atlas. Again, he's completely in the wrong, but that's what makes him interesting and I feel some bit of pity of him. He's so focused on "saving Atlas" that he can't see the people he's hurting along the way. Edit: So, sadly I have to put this edit because people keep telling me how the writers ruined Ironwood or how in the right he was for what he did. I'll just be blunt, I don't agree with either statement. Do I think Ironwood was a great character? Yes! Will I miss him? Yes! But no, I do NOT think he's in the right. He clearly went too far. My original comment was just to say that I do pity him because his end goal was not to take over the world or whatever. He became so desperate that he became the very thing he was fighting against. And no, I don't think the writers ruined him. He's always been this paranoid. However one thing led to another that pushed him past the breaking point. And finally, yes. I do agree RWBY shouldn't have lied to him, but don't use that as an excuse to defend him. In the end he was still WRONG. He still was willing to sacrifice innocent people just to save Atlas. In this case, I feel both parties are wrong. However Ironwood even more so because of how much he let the situation escalate. And that's all I'm gonna say on the subject. If you don't agree, fine. But I won't be changing my mind either.
It also doesn’t help that his semblance is pretty much making him hyper focus on protecting Atlas at all costs. For those who don’t know this is ironwood’s semblance(which he may or may not be able to turn off) “ Ironwood's Semblance, , strengthens his resolve which allows him to carry through with his decisions, helping James hyper-focus“
I think it's because we expect bad people to be bad. It's not a shock when Cinder or Salem behave the way they do. But many felt betrayed by Ironwood, (I know from his perspective he thinks he's the one who was betrayed) and it's because he went from such a high point welcoming the heroes, upgrading their weapons, giving them their licenses and honestly acting the part of a capable leader in absence of Ozpin. Especially after Lionheart became a cowardly traitor we dared to hope for better, and after the incredible fight with Watts he became a favorite for many. Really a shame how he turned out.
What makes it even better is that's the same kick that Mercury uses a lot ^^ might remember it particularly in his tournament fight against Yang. He and Em are my favorite duo (not ship) in the whole show, and I can't wait to see what happens when they're reunited in Vacuo!
Ironwood is one of the strongest Huntsman in the series and I fully belive that the reason he lost was because he was caught of guard by Winters betrayal and had he known this beforehand he would have won.
His semblance is Tunnel Vision. He can turn all his focus and instincts to lock in on a singular goal, he'll know all the right moves to make to reach that goal so long as the intel he's working with is accurate and all variables accounted for. Perfect for a tactician and better than morphine for defying hellish pain and still be able to fight, but its also a serious weakpoint. He didnt know Emerald and Winter turned coat, so naturally his semblance worked against him.
A lot of people say mixed things about this fight like how could a general lose to a bunch of children but can’t forget they ganged up on him, they’re all armed while he’s not, and he didn’t expect winter’s betrayal
Ironwood managed to take on a group of 5 huntsman and held his own. Even stopping a fully grown Chimera (that is what that Grimm was right?) summon in it's tracks. Ironwood was a beast, too bad the writers did him dirty.
@@beary523 Actually, yes. There was a stupid amount of prep-work required for his opposition before they started fighting straightly. At full readiness, I reckon he wouldn't have fallen. A full-charge Nora's hammer to the face in a surprise attack. This stunned him. In ambush, disarmed and backstabbed, he still had response ability to take on 5 opponents at once. After being disarmed, he lifted a Summoned Chimera Grimm with bare hands afterwards. One-on-one they would not have succeeded. Simple as that.
Y'know, this volume could have been avoided had RWBY and company not pulled an Ozpin and fuck everything up. Winter joined them because the situation was so screwed that she no longer had a choice if she was committed to saving others.
@@TiltedPotatoheadDebatable as if you look back at the series it seems to hint his paranoia will be his undoing but I think he need further development.
@@TiltedPotatohead Idk but it seems like he's trying to protect/compensate for any threat that may or may not exist(which I assume is because he was made aware of Salem) plus his actions of bringing war ships only led to more violence after Roman took control of them. Afterwards you see his experience after Beacon fucked him up as he's seems stressed, scared and mad. All I'm getting at is he seemed to have been slipping a bit after TFOB.
@@TerastalJade me I have no idea why but I have always absolutely adored her and I was so glad when she finally got the redemption arc and screen time she deserved
I definitely didn't find the exact point where Ironwood gets kicked in the face and loop it for several minutes straight. Certainly not. (IT'S OOOOO- IT'S OOOOO- IT'S OOOOO- IT'S OOOOO- IT'S OOOOOKAYYYYYYYY)
@@BlackHedgehog Yeah, but if you click there *just right* then you get the exact moment it cuts back to Ironwood's face rather than catching the end of Emerald saying "feels weird".
@@saltedcheese3702 I have a feeling that with time, the antagonists will unite with RWBY and JNR to fight Salem and finish her off for good. Neo might join in Vol 9, Mercury will follow Emerald quite surely, etc.
To this day I'm still pissed off that team rwby got salty about ozpin lying to them about not being able to kill Salem (even though they could always capture her to stop her), but then immediately afterwards continuously lie to Ironwood about Salem, lie to Ironwood about the relic, and then leak all of his confidential plans to a revolutionary force that has no idea Salem even exists. Even after Ironwood did so much to make them trust him. And people still wonder why Ironwood was so ticked off and stopped listening to them on Volume 7 Episode 11...
@@DarkCircles698 That's not bad writing though, everything they do in V7 makes them hypocrites but not poorly written. The bullshit and actual bad writting starts when the show tries to justify that hypocrisy and make RWBY/ORNJ look like they're right when they're clearly not.
That's the point, you know: that RWBY realized what it was like to be in Ozpin's shoes, keeping secrets for the greater good. That it bit them in the ass wasn't bad writing, it was characters with their own biases and preconceptions and lacking perfect information making a mistake, learning from it, and resolving to do better moving forward. James was in a hell of his own making. He trusted nobody, not even his own fellow heads of state. Robyn was only resisting him because he looked like a shady power-hungry dictator that was letting GRIMM ROAM THE GODDAMN STREETS rather than do anything to patch up Mantle's defenses, AND as far as she knew, his pet war machine was caught on camera butchering her supporters. Blake and Yang realized that, and by telling her the truth, they turned an enemy into a potential ally. The MOMENT James and Robyn put a little trust in each other, they were WINNING. Then he saw that damn chess piece, and his paranoia and fear took the wheels and sent him over the edge into insanity.
@@lazurman976 What are you talking about? You remember James Trusted the ace-ops, Winter, Penny, and Team RWBY with everything he knew right? He even gave them the relic back, something that a lying dictator wouldn't do. He gave them, new weapons, he gave them their hunter's licenses. Granted I think it's stupid he didn't tell the council to begin with, but then again, Jaq Schnee got on the council and he was working with Salem's scientist douchebag. As if that wasn't bad enough, Blake and Yang decided that a random woman who's been stealing supplies from the Amity plan they agreed to help make, and someone they don't know at all, is trustworthy enough to leak the plans to... Which ends up biting them in the ass when Ironwood's office is infiltrated and he's rightly extremely cautious and paranoid. Also Ironwood was quite literally not letting the Grimm roam the streets of mantle. He had patrolling robots, soldiers guarding the hole in the wall, soldiers in mantle, rocket airships patrolling, and Penny (the protector of mantle) which we see when the Grimms start attacking due to Jaq, a counselor, handing out his credentials to Salem's team. If RWBY, had told ironwood everything after Ironwood told them his plan, Ironwood would have been informed and most likely form a different plan to deal with these problems with the correct information. And if Yang and Blake didn't go behind their backs to inform an unknown vigilante about his plans, he most likely would have listened to them instead of trying to arrest them due to lack of trust.
RWBY: *"We disagree with your plan Ironwood!"* Ironwood: *"But you guys haven't even give me a time to explain my plan"* RWBY: *"That's why we disagree! Our plan is safer and best! We will bring the Atlesians into a middle of dessert storm crawling with Grimms and reveal to the world that there's an immortal Grimm Queen who cannot be kill, but maybe with the Power of Friendship, we can kill her!"*
@@beary523 its War... Sacrifice is necessary even if we don't want to And based on the show, it's just show Ironwood want the relic, they didn't say what he was going to do with the relic Team RWBY is naïve, they think they can save everyone without loosing one
@@beary523 ...rwby's plan git a bunch of people chucked into the void and snatched by grim...at least ironwood understood what his plan was before he was character assassinated.
@@Claudia_Ackermann if still this sacrifice made it possible to defeat Salem or to force it to surrender. Except that this "sacrifice" would not have had any impact which would lead to the end of salem, atlas would be all the way to catch up with Salem, and Remmante would be at his mercy Do you want a sacrifice? Attracted salem on atlas (while having evacuated the civilian populations of atlas and mantle and the military force) so that only ironwood (and only him) remained and that he could unleash the bomb to at least temporarily neutralize salem and killing him in the process its a sacrifice and a heroic sacrifice
If Winter wasn’t there I could see the fight going differently. The only times people actually hit Ironwood was when Winter was using her glyphs (Nora’s hammer getting an electric charge, Winter’s giant boar, Oscar’s glyph boosted poke barrage). I’m not necessarily saying he would’ve won, but the fight would’ve been much uglier
The fact that he would have successfully killed Winter not that much later had she not obtained the Maiden powers, despite him taking the beating seen here, is proof that age/experience + Aura are the single biggest determinant of fights in RWBY.
Kind of which the fight lasted a lot longer and we saw Ironwood take out the aura of someone like Emerald, or Nora and for Jaune to help heal their aura. Would've made the next fight scenes more intense because we knew that some of then were low on aura already.
Love the fight, have mixed feelings about the season. I don’t mind Ironwood becoming an antagonist, and in season 7 I could rationalize/excuse any decisions that felt weird. I could even buy him murdering that one guy , but there was no way you can expect me to believe he would nuke mantle. That’s literally the dumbest thing ever. Ironwood is controlling and believes everyone should trust him even though he doesn’t trust others much: hence why I got him going against the protagonists and his decision to try and save atlas. But there’s no way he would kill millions of people out of spite. When Penny got the maiden powers he woulda been pissed, but he also would have used fhe opportunity to get as many more Mantle people in Atlas. Time was of the essence but he had room to do that and hunt for Penny and the others. And even if he did, after he lost, he sure as fuck wouldn’t throw a tantrum and try to kill everyone because Atlas was falling. He would be pissed, but he would have realized there was no point fighting anymore. But the worst offense? He let Salem and Cinder leave… AFTER DOING EVERYTHING IN HIS POWER TO STOP THEM! HE WOULD HAVE TAKEN A SHOT AT THEM WITHOUT QUESTION!! HE WOULDA THROWN HIS EMPTY GUN AT THEM OUT OF PRIDE!!!! He wouldn’t just aim, then get all depressed.
I dropped RWBY after Vol 5 and avidly read its fanfiction instead but I must ask; is it worth coming back to? Like I’m curious to see what CRWBY has done with it but your comment was probably the most blatant character assassination I can think of for a noble character like Ironwood
@@zackrose6261 I just finished it for the sake of wanting to finish it. Since season 6 was ok i figured ill watch season 7, then season 8 was short so i was like eh sure. Not planning to watch it further, the whole appeal was from the characters themselves from the universe, i suppose
@@Ammy-q4w To be fair Oscar was just talking out of his ass there. And everybody kept screwing him over without actually providing an alternative solution to the mantle problem.
I feel bad for Ironwood, man’s is the only one who’s decisions aren’t based on “oh I was helping evil” or hormones, He is the only one getting stuff done no matter the cost, all he wants to do is protect his floating city and they won’t even let him do that, HELL THEY MADE IT PLUMMIT SO THEY CAN MAKE A WISH, I know Ironwood isn’t making the most sane decisions but at least they aren’t dumb or putting peoples livelihoods out to die
I love that fact that Emerald kick ironwood in the chin just like in the song I'm the One. " A slap on the wrist and a kick to the chin" is the lyrics from the song.
I can’t tell if it was by design that the only people able to directly hurt the general were the ones he had trusted (winter, Oscar/Ozpin) or ones directly aided by them (I.e. Nora propelled by winter)
Say what you will about Ironwood, but you got to admire the fact that when he chooses a course he sticks to it and has the will and strength to back himself up. They had to get the jump on him in order to beat him down.
I was so disappointed this giga chad became an antagonist I always believed he had big dick protagonist energy even a a side character, it was so satisfying to finally witness him go all out in this fight as final boss
One of the best fights on the show easily. The gang finally realizing that sometimes the only way too win is too play completely dirty. Just like how Salem took out Maria, no matter how strong a hunter or huntress, exhaust and out number them and they won't stand a chance. It's def a parallel too the gang relaxing the same thing with stealing the plane.
Have people forgotten that this is the same man that ragdolled a Grimm twice his size back in season 3? This is the only way they could’ve done this lol.
Damn Ironwood is a beast. His semblance may be have been poorly written but his semblance also forces him to make decisions that are best for Atlas (in his eyes). So continuing to fight until he’s knocked out or dead makes sense cause he sees himself as the sole reason Atlas has survived. So if he loses here, Atlas loses.
Ironwood had no weapon, mentally damaged, was ambushed, weak at the time, tanked one of Nora's hits, stopped a chimera grimm summon and fought against one of his best soldiers, and still kept up a fight
My man got ambushed by 5 people in an instant plus his one strongest ally turned on him, he still managed to hold out against all 6 of them for a solid 30 seconds.
LOVED this fight scene sm! But one thing that bothered me was that even after Ironwood's aura broke, he later still acted as before, even though his recent rash decision-making and heartless personality were supposedly being caused by his semblance ("Mettle" (?) "Metal" (?)). It's a small thing, but it still frustrated me a little that's all
The semblance only pushes his actions further, but all the choices he made are his own sadly. His semblance simply pushes his humanity and emotions away to complete a set task he already wanted done. So even when his aura is broken he still has his own goal. Yeah, it is frustrating that his semblance isn’t very clear how it works but I can live with it.
Also, I think it's been stated that passive semblances (like Qrow's bad luck) don't use up aura. Or at least, it uses little enough that it's still in effect even when the user doesn't have enough aura to use defensively.
Dude, ironwood's semblance was one of if not the biggest asspull I have ever seen in fiction. It's something M&K came up with mid season an only mentioned outside the series. Character assassination at its finest, especially given who he was supposed to represent for M&K.
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The man got ambushed, ganked and backstabbed, and still was able to fight back a bit, can't say he is weak.
You wonder if Qrow would have been able to take him down after seeing this.
EXACTLY, MAN STILL TOOK THEM ALL ON, well except Winter bc he thought she would handle the others while he fights off one at a time, but that finishing move she did though, that was so cool
Imagine if he had Estus
@@Darth_Bateman don't forget that despite everything they have been through and the fact they have huntsmen and huntress licences, the main cast in this fight never finished there first year at Beacon and have been fighting almost exclusively Grim and random goons since volume 2, Emerald isn't exactly know to have exceptional combat skill and Ironwood has been fighting this war for decades as well as being one of Ozpin's go to people. If he hadn't been betrayed by Winter he probably would have won quite handily
@@matthewevans5486 see Emerald not having combat skills? After what she did to team cffy? I disagree bro. Lol but yes.
One of my favorite details about this fight is that every time Ironwood notices that Winter is fighting him, his face is one of complete shock. Like he just cannot believe what he is seeing. It's tragic but man is it a great addition.
Have you seen the most recent episode?
Even though I don’t really like the fight I can appreciate that little detail because it feels like he just turned into a villain because of nothing so seeing little details like that is nice
@@FacelessCrowd @Bartender Artist "If you were one of my men, I'd have had you shot" Ironwood, volume 3. Ironwood, bringing a whole army to Beacon. Ironwood, bringing a WHOLE FLEET to Beacon. Ironwood, the man who treats his school like a slave-soldier training facility where if you don't follow orders, you're immediately dismissed. Ironwood, the one who HAND PICKED Ace-ops as his most entrusted squad, the squad that were willing to commit war crimes and crimes against humanity for him barring Marrow and maybe Vine, but MOST ESPECIALLY Harriet, who still stands to be his most loyal SOLDIER. What other soldiers in our own human history have said "we're just following orders"/"just follow orders and don't ask questions"?
He has been and always will be an authoritarian. Literally the one line, again, "If you were one of my men, I'd have had you shot." Ironwood has ALWAYS HAD villainous tendencies. Just because the authoritarian was on our side for the first 7 volumes, doesn't mean he was a good guy the whole time. The moment his actions and wants shifted more drastically from the main cast, is when the authoritarian continues to show what an authoritarian does when he's challenged. Detains or kills whatever and whoever is trying to oppose them and take control with an iron fist. People act like just because he claims to "want to do the greater good" that suddenly he's a good guy. You know what other leaders in history claiming they were doing it for the good of the people? Hitler. Mussolini. Stalin. Mao Zedong. All leaders that claim they're doing things for the good of the people and yet millions die under their rule.
@@RikuSage I get the gist of what you are saying but I think you should remember, another authoritarian figure was Vlad Dracule III, who used brutal scorched earth tactics, public executions, impalings and other more villainous actions to singlehandedly route an entire army ,and saving his country. And many of those that he executed were dissenters and deserters within his country.
Again, I agree that Ironwood has the qualities of a tyrant, for a better word, but his methods are too rigid and closed minded, because at the end of the day, he's a soldier, and soldiers are trained to always react to threats with force first, even when such force is the wrong course of action.
Ooooo, is that civilized discussion in a replies section? How rare!
(Crunchyroll user, I havent seen the most most recent episode on roosterteeth so don't shoot me)
Ironwood is shown to be incredibly callous and heavy handed in his judgement, he is a flawed character- as most characters in the series are, Yang and her rage, Blake and her tragic backstory- each of them had a reason for what they did.
Ironwood is no different, he has the position, strength, and willpower to do what needs to be done- so what kind of man would he be if he didn't do it? His semblance allows him to act with an iron fist and do what needs to be done regardless his personal quarrels/opinions making him the perfect man to make the most practical choices and thus a general- When he prioritized Atlas over mantle, it wasn't out of disdain or lack of care for mantle, it was simply the better choice in that scenario, when he made the decision there was no emotion involved, he just chose what made sense
For refrence, I'm sure you all know this (but for those of you who don't and have stumbled across this with no context whatsoever) that every character in RWBY is based off of some fairy tale character (Yang- Goldilocks, Blake- the Beauty from Beauty and the beast)
Ironwood is based off of the tin man, the character in (DAMMIT THE NAME SLIPS ME) anyways, the Tin man lacked a heart which shows in Ironwood's ability to act without emotion, everything he does is calculated and precise, deliberate and concise. Robotic. While we humans have built machines to make yes and no decisions based on practicality. This is a unique case because it is the opposite, Ironwood built himself into a man to make the most practical decisions, creating a rift between the machine and man in himself, I am personally interested to see the meltdown, I would imagine that he is exhausted and hasn't felt anything for about 2 years now, and I wonder what the first thing we are going to see from him emotionally is, that's my piece, peace out
People are saying Ironwood got beaten too easily?
Tin man took an electrically charged Nora warhammer to the face and was able to keep going.
He actually held up pretty well for being ambushed, disarmed, and taking on 5 opponents at once.
Then he also stopped and lifted a Summoned Chimera Grimm with his bare hands afterwards... though I think they went over the top with the special effects on Ironwoods aura being broken.
Just.. really RT, you had to go with the cheesy starlight twinkle fx? When every other aura break hasn't had anything close to that fancy or over the top? XD
@@francisharkins He's like half robot.
Also Winter Smash Comboed him.
@@Mister_Jay_Tee Yeah I know, but still the laws of physics exist... then again... *Remembers Volume 1 Ruby dead stopping her momentum in the landing that should have either obliterated the tree branch or torn her arms off*
I love emerald in this.
Ironwood: “you’ve done the right thing”
Emerald: “I have. Feels weird”
RIGHT!! I freaked out so hard at this.
PSYCH!!!
Same but does anyone know the song in the background
@@neptuneplayz2567 Be Strong And Hit Stuff
I love that we get to see more of her because emerald and mercury were kinda just swept under the rug as the story went on seemed like a missed opportunity to me
sooooo unfair! Emerald gets redeemed but Ironwood doesn't. They did him dirty in this season
They literally jumped ironwood lol
I'm glad the team didn't make this longer than it needed to be. Like, yes, this man is literally getting jumped by a gang of high-tiers. He's going down fast
listen you need that edge when fighting a man willing to nuke a city as leverage
Me and the Boys jump General Ironwood
@@DandDgamer he managed to keep up with until winter came in
@@lilhoodieenergizer6426 keep up, UNARMED , the man IS SKILLED
Winter really came in with that *Critical Hit* effect
She's been playing Fire Emblem recently and it shows
@@eternalGEN3SIS Wo Dao OP
Winter: Omae wa mou shindeiru.
Ironwood: *NANI?!*
@@eternalGEN3SIS
I played sacred stones and I know one class had that as a crit but i cant remember which
Nah, she came in with the Judgement Cut End.
The second she said "I don't think that's possible." he should've known she was about to stab him in the back lol
To be fair, he stabbed everyone else in the back first.
@@gokuandmario4ever To be fair, he was written to go crazy for basically no good reason. Team RWBY are always in the right since they're the protagonists.
@@wolfman6696 oh please Ironwoods descent has been written in the stars since V3. He was easily manipulated and played by the villains to do their job for him. Just cause you don’t like it doesn’t make it bad writing.
@@madison5857 Just because it's written and super obvious doesn't make it good writing lol
@@wolfman6696 Wait so first it was “for basically no good reason” and now it’s “super obvious”? I think you need make up your mind. Then again maybe you’re just trolling and it that case, have an amazing Sunday.
It’s so satisfying seeing Oscar doing the poke of death.
Its honestly nostalgic seeing him do that just like what ozpin did to cinder in the fall of beacon
Singer you a thousand f**king times!
@@deltaxiii7803 STINGER!
@@ShadowSonic325 i think you mean million stab
@@ShadowSonic325 stinger is just one thrust
I love that the first move of the entire fight is disarming Ironwood. Even without his weapons he still put up a fight, so if they hadn't then he probably would've had a chance. I mean, he took a lightning boosted Nora slam straight to the face, and then immediately after held back a chimera summon with his hands!
And apparently, Headmaster Theodore is even stronger (physically) than Ironwood. Considering just how tough he is, I can't say I'm not excited to see.
@@user-bj5ki6sr6c considering he lives in vacuo. With highly aggressive and powerful desert Grimm, he has to be strong.
@@halfknight2310 Vacuo is a land where the toughest one rules, and Theodore is the toughest Hunstmen there. Clearly leagues above Ironwood despite his strength.
Winter should have lopped his head off after defeating him. Ironwood was just as much a threat as Salem, what with threatening to nuke all the poor people of Mantle when he was supposed to protect all of Atlas, not just the rich people in the sky.
Honestly with how often Weiss uses summon it’s weird seeing glyphs used the way they used to
I think the weirdest thing is that she dont carry any visible dust with her, wich is pretty confusing, i had a headcannon that she dint use dust, that way, she would denay her fathers trade (Dust) but still use the unique trade from her "good part" of the family(Glyphs).
I personally find it so idiotic how she depends on summon so much now, almost like glyphs were thrown into the trash. We haven't seen Weiss use her glyph's rapidly in battle since V3.
Y’all can thank Winter for that. We’ve heard Winter tell Weiss that she needs to work more on her summons. Since Weiss holds Winter in such a high regard she takes her word to heart and follows whatever advice is given more seriously.
@@augustoleal291 I don't think that ability was Winter's glyphs. I think that was Oscar's/Ozpin's powers mixed in with Winter's.
i forgot time dialation exists because weiss stopped using it
Please tell me I'm not the only one with a strange fixation on the way Emerald's voice comes across in the "I have" line. At first I thought they did a mix between Emerald's VA and Penny's VA, (like they've done for some Oz/Oscar lines in the past) but upon re-watching this it sounds like Penny's VA just did an impression of Emerald -- either way, I really like the cadence and delivery of that line. Something about it just hits right.
Someone asked Taylor if it was her or Katie doing that line and she said she couldn't remember XD It didn't sound like the overlap they used to do when Ozpin's VA and Oscar's VA spoke at the same time, more like how Oscar's VA does an Oz impression the rest of the time (before their voices started merging, at least - idk if they're still having Aaron copy Shannon these days given how much more he sounds like Oscar). So I think it was Penny's VA? But I'm not sure and that's impressive lol
It's Penny's, after the illusion reverts Emerald speaks and Katie sounds deeper.
Quick reminder that so far all the headmasters are based on Wizard of Oz characters. Furthermore, each of them has acted exactly how I imagine those characters would act if Dorothy wasn’t there for them and the Wizard got killed. The Cowardly Lion remained cowardly and sold out to the witch. The Tin Man never got his heart, but still kept trying to do good despite his lack of compassion. The next Headmaster will probably be someone too foolish or too overconfident to take Salem seriously.
Unfortunately, the other character based on the main party of Wizard of Oz is Qrow, who is based on the Scarecrow.
Headmaster Theodore of Shade Academy represents Dorothy, actually :)
@@kdroz Ah, but the op was talking about the main group from Wizard of Oz, not the Witch that got crushed by a house, which is who Headmaster Theodore is supposed to be based on.
@@thehighwayman3122 Theodore is based on Dorothy. Not the witch. Glynda is the good witch and Salem's the wicked one.
@@thehighwayman3122 yeah in Before the Dawn book, Theodore's weapon are boxing gloves with gravity dust infused, which make them sparkle like the ruby red slippers! :) (I can't wait to see them in the show)
This reminds me of Fire Emblem, when the only enemy left is the boss so you stockpile all your dudes and hope one of them crits before you lose someone.
sooo true
You just gave me a good idea for a rather good crossover
The one that crits is usually Guy or Lyn on hard/lunatic mode since everyone else can't seem to build up luck at all. Also, Lyn's sword mistress class is broken as fuck if comboed with her special sword. Like, on normal it gets 97% crit chance with 5 attacks and it's not bad at lunatic either
Pretty much
This is an underrated comment
Winter has the fastest flash step in the soul society
Nice reference
The bleach reference
She used to, until Ironwood started beating her up with a clumsy gun.
@@Prushinthespirit also known as we have bfg at home gun
I'm calling that flash slice.
Winter schnee just "Vergiled" the hell out of ironwood
She is the blizzard that is approaching
@@viktorkudriavtsev830 she's also the reclaimer of her name
@@Azmil_99 Born in ice, she has been blessed.
Her family crest has been frozen to DEEEAAATH.
I am so happy to see this thread
"It turns out, Virgin was Thanos the whole time."
If Pyrrha was alive she would screw up Irondaddy
She could've legit just ripped up his ass
Kinda like Magneto with Wolverine
its like Iron Man vs Magneto, of course she'd win
Yup, but sadly she was killed off. She was op and probably would've been more op by now.
Literally would've been Magneto vs Wolverine or Iron Man.
@@overlordvelvet7301 Yeah...I mean, maybe team JNPR vs Ironwood would happen anyway according with Monty's script, so that's why she had to die
Genuine Question: Why do some people think Ironwood was heartless from the beginning? The guy was literary protective of every one of the people he has worked with and have seen or learned what they have been through. He literally called Jacques out when he said he had a half mind to possibly slap Weiss in front of everyone. It also seemed he was more of a father figure to Winter and Winter loved him back, not just respected him and I had the feeling one of the reasons Winter was so reluctant to leave him was because he had helped her so much. But that's just me.
I mean who would you trust? The man who defended beacon from salem, personally gifted yang her arm, became winter adopted farther figure, was ozpins most trusted ally. Or the girl who was working for salem, was personally responsible for the death of penny and Fall maden, the reason yang became hated during the tournament, who has used her literal powers of deception to trick the main cast during volume 3, and just shows up one day.
I'd pick emerald too clearly the rational choice.
He had dictatorial tendencies, but had the tempering hands of Oz, Glynda, and probably Clover to help steer him. Without those restraints, and with his growing fear of what Salem could do, he gave in to the worst tendencies of his nature. I have anger issues, but that doesn't mean I'm going to slug anyone that annoys me. It means I have the tendency to lose control when I get angry and I need help to control that. Imagine if I didn't have thst awareness of people to help me
Pointers for me:
- leader of the technically most advanced kingdom / a bunch of snops and slavery
- possibly the newest headmaster to be introduced to "the truth", still failing to fully grasp it
- inferiority complex
- losing LITERAL parts of his body and not being somewhat scared by it in his actions
(Btw, i'm not taking his semblance for real. It's just his personality. He is unstable and should not have carried so much power)
- two highly demanding positions filled by one person Stress times 1M
i think the biggest factor is his semblance which solidifies his resolve and allows him to carry through with decisions. he is SO set on his plan being the right thing to do that anyone who fights against it is bad and that any casualties are worth the risk. it's like qrow's semblance. it doesn't disappear when his aura breaks. its there always. and i don't think he realized what he'd done until the very end because of his hyper-focus. and i imagine this is the hardest his semblance has ever had to work so it may have taken a toll on him from an empathetic standpoint. the lion was a coward. the tinman lost his heart. he was a kind man once. but his need for a solid resolve cost him everything. even his own empathy.
@@jimpickins7900 I know this is sarcasm but your be surprised how dumb people can be when they believe exactly that
Yo who else was just HYPED when Emerald stopped her semblance to say it felt weird? Like
YES. SHE HAD POTENTIAL, I LOVE THAT SHE SWAPPED SIDES
Same I absolutely adore her
..i guess
Saw it coming back in vol 3
Yeah.
Kinda wish Neo swapped sides too. She's a very skillful character
@@gamerbro8399 Spoiler alert:
Well Neo is on the other side with RWBY and they surely will need to help from everyone there to get out. Wonder how that's gonna go
After rewatching this fight a few times, I noticed that aside from Emerald's initial kick, literally the only times Ironwood got damaged were either by Winter or by someone being supported by Winter. And each time Winter strikes he seems shocked. So if not for the shock of being betrayed, he would've probably bodied all of them...damn.
Someone's high off copium.
Basically RWBY in a nutshell:
Plan works 👍 then something ruins everything and someone dies
Literally the afican campaign in WW2, Rommel appears and the allies are like; oh shit, that man just wrecked us
And then Montgomery appears and the axis react the same way
They didn't even have a plan for the majority of the two Vols and ruined IW plan to save some ppl. They also stupidly forgotten about the bad guys
But then they actual don’t die because the writer’s are scared to write anyone off after Pyrha died.
@@dogsoldier123 yeah that's because there plan wasn't discoverd by the villains until they use jin.
@@victor2641 What are you talking about? They literally didn't have any plans in place of ironwoods until the VERY last min and they stupidly sent the ppl to a dangerous desert
This fight had the best opening, you can see it coming and not see it coming at the same time
Ironwood tanked a hit from nora’s hammer no matter how bad he became or people think he is that is still absolutely badass
True enough he’s the general for a reason shame he fell so hard from grace
@@MangaSlayer102 bad writers making a good man do bad things with no rhyme or reason.
@@teopalafox Bad writers? His downfall makes complete sense
@@teopalafox bruh what, he was scared and made badly judged decisions and tried to follow through with those. He started becoming a lil crazy focusing to protect one thing and only saw one way through. makes complete sense to me
@@iDeathMaximuMIIhis downfall makes no sense the writers did an ass job with him just like Adam taurus
Anyone else think that Emerald's smile (when she catches Ironwood's guns) is just the cutest little thing?
Yess queen
@CherryLee HartLey Now get Mercury too, they are a two in one package since the beginning!
I have. Feels weird.
I mean, she IS a theif
Emerald says doing the right thing feels weird, likely because she's been a villain for so long, but it's obvious she enjoys that feeling. Doing good feels good afterall.
I wonder how things will go when Emerald runs into Cinder again. I think she might try to convince Cinder to join their side against Salem and let her know that Salem is trying to destroy the world, but would have to fight her or run away most likely as unlike Penny, Cinder is not immune to illusions back to Ruby's Group when she realizes that Cinder's a power mad psychopath, that Cinder doesn't care what Salem does and realize that Mercury was right about how Cinder never cared for her.
@@93SuperSonic I'm hoping she or ANYONE ELSE tells Cinder that her quest for power is pointless due to the fact that if Salem succeeds, she won't live long enough to enjoy it.
@@Kovugamez Asuming Cinder even cares about the world. I get she was horribly abused (I give Cinder that as no deserves abuse), but it gives her no right to destroy everything in sight for power.
Heck, Tyrian's okay with destroying himself if it means destroying the world. I think the only way to make him care for his own life is killing him before seeing Salem's goal come to pass.
@@93SuperSonic Evdn if Cinder hates the world, she still lives in it. I doubt even she's dumb enough not to realize she's just as screwed as everyone else.
@@Kovugamez I'll guess we see, considering that Cinder was willing to go behind Salem's back about Ruby's "death" instead of bringing her back alive and LYING to her face, all while killing Watts and leaving Neo to die.
Be strong and hit stuff!
That is definitely Nora's song!
Idc Nora is so much more then strong and hit stuff. Cool, very funny, positive side of everything, great person to talk to
@@adrenalyne7589 Very much! Her character development is subtle yet blunt! She’s still batshit insane and adorably funny, but now she is a voice of reason and the heart behind both team Rwby and Jnpr
Jnpr has literally become the z fighters in dbz they get in a couple hits, and then Oscar comes in with all his protagonist energy and steals the show.
I disagree, that was Winter. She stole the show and the takedown exp along with it.
I disagree, that was Winter. She stole the show and the takedown exp along with it.
I disagree because at least all of the Z fighters have more character and development while sahring the spotlight
@@BlackPrince24 Super Sayians > All Non Sayians; The super sayians stole the spotlight
Is it sad that I see JNPR as the group that comes before the main characters weakens the enemy or finds their weakness only to be forgotten once the main characters comes to fight the bad guy?
Qrow: gun sword that’s also a scythe. Edgy mega edgy. One liners and calls people kiddo
Winter: sword that’s also two swords. Cold and calculating. Did everything she did in this fight.
Conclusion: THEY ARE WEEBS
Me: did this post, most likely in a similar boat
Plot twist the real reason winter got disinherited was because she was one of the people who thinks watching the sub is superior regardless
Indeed
@@mrsomething1312 Nah, have you seen who Winter voices in Persona? She *makes* the dubs better than subs.
@Zeke is my god the only thing sub actually has over dub is the it's generally released earlyier
meanwhile Ironwood: Guns that combine into BIGGER GUN
This fight scene hit all the right notes so hard
It's kind of funny how everyone in the comments hope Ironwood "gets what he deserves" because in a sense...I feel bad for him. Now, don't get me wrong. I do NOT agree with him, and I completely agree he needs to pay for what he's done. But at the same time his intentions aren't malicious. He's not like Cinder, Tyrian, or Salem. He's not trying to hurt people, he genuinely believes that this is the only way to save Atlas. Again, he's completely in the wrong, but that's what makes him interesting and I feel some bit of pity of him. He's so focused on "saving Atlas" that he can't see the people he's hurting along the way.
Edit: So, sadly I have to put this edit because people keep telling me how the writers ruined Ironwood or how in the right he was for what he did. I'll just be blunt, I don't agree with either statement. Do I think Ironwood was a great character? Yes! Will I miss him? Yes! But no, I do NOT think he's in the right. He clearly went too far. My original comment was just to say that I do pity him because his end goal was not to take over the world or whatever. He became so desperate that he became the very thing he was fighting against. And no, I don't think the writers ruined him. He's always been this paranoid. However one thing led to another that pushed him past the breaking point. And finally, yes. I do agree RWBY shouldn't have lied to him, but don't use that as an excuse to defend him. In the end he was still WRONG. He still was willing to sacrifice innocent people just to save Atlas. In this case, I feel both parties are wrong. However Ironwood even more so because of how much he let the situation escalate. And that's all I'm gonna say on the subject. If you don't agree, fine. But I won't be changing my mind either.
It also doesn’t help that his semblance is pretty much making him hyper focus on protecting Atlas at all costs. For those who don’t know this is ironwood’s semblance(which he may or may not be able to turn off) “ Ironwood's Semblance, , strengthens his resolve which allows him to carry through with his decisions, helping James hyper-focus“
I don't disagree with you, but it still feels really satisfying to watch him get dunked on.
People also seem to forget the landslide of events that led to him breaking like he did
@@Blitzvonic I think some(mainly one) of the things he did in his break made no sense, but I still like his turn
I think it's because we expect bad people to be bad. It's not a shock when Cinder or Salem behave the way they do. But many felt betrayed by Ironwood, (I know from his perspective he thinks he's the one who was betrayed) and it's because he went from such a high point welcoming the heroes, upgrading their weapons, giving them their licenses and honestly acting the part of a capable leader in absence of Ozpin. Especially after Lionheart became a cowardly traitor we dared to hope for better, and after the incredible fight with Watts he became a favorite for many. Really a shame how he turned out.
Every fan: "This is too easy."
Every fan who suspected Emerald changing sides back in Volume 3: "Fuckin' called it."
Ironwood: “Gets ambushed”
Also Ironwood: SQUARE UP AND CATCH THESE HANDS!
1:28
That kick, along with the music is
🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
What makes it even better is that's the same kick that Mercury uses a lot ^^ might remember it particularly in his tournament fight against Yang. He and Em are my favorite duo (not ship) in the whole show, and I can't wait to see what happens when they're reunited in Vacuo!
What’s the song called?
The fact he did as well as he did unarmed, while they clearly had planned for fighting him is impressive.
Ironwood is one of the strongest Huntsman in the series and I fully belive that the reason he lost was because he was caught of guard by Winters betrayal and had he known this beforehand he would have won.
His semblance is Tunnel Vision. He can turn all his focus and instincts to lock in on a singular goal, he'll know all the right moves to make to reach that goal so long as the intel he's working with is accurate and all variables accounted for. Perfect for a tactician and better than morphine for defying hellish pain and still be able to fight, but its also a serious weakpoint. He didnt know Emerald and Winter turned coat, so naturally his semblance worked against him.
I went through half of this volume thinking by the "payload" they meant their paycheck and not a weapon
H-how..
What?😂
How?
😆
Bruh how?
@@artemis3829 I'm not smart
Ironwood was tricked, backstabbed, and quite possibly bamboozled
Winter gave me Vergil vibes. Especially with that final attack. Kinda resembled Vergil's Judgement Cut.
Million stab comboed into a rapid slash. DMC as fuck
The entire combo was started by Emerald doing a flint wheel kick.
More like Vergil's rapid slash Die! Schum!
That was one lash, Judgment Cut is a multitude of slashes in a short time frame. Not to mention Winter is nowhere near Vergil's level
@@absanchez777 if Vergil was here?
A lot of people say mixed things about this fight like how could a general lose to a bunch of children but can’t forget they ganged up on him, they’re all armed while he’s not, and he didn’t expect winter’s betrayal
Ironwood managed to take on a group of 5 huntsman and held his own. Even stopping a fully grown Chimera (that is what that Grimm was right?) summon in it's tracks. Ironwood was a beast, too bad the writers did him dirty.
Fr
remember, ironwood fought everyone. ALONE. he tanked the hits of 5 people. thats how skilled he is.
And people have the nerve to say he "went down too easily"
@@beary523 Actually, yes. There was a stupid amount of prep-work required for his opposition before they started fighting straightly. At full readiness, I reckon he wouldn't have fallen. A full-charge Nora's hammer to the face in a surprise attack. This stunned him. In ambush, disarmed and backstabbed, he still had response ability to take on 5 opponents at once. After being disarmed, he lifted a Summoned Chimera Grimm with bare hands afterwards.
One-on-one they would not have succeeded. Simple as that.
@@hallowedbeyourdays true
You can tell it's Emerald because she said "I don't want anyone else to die" instead of "I don't want anyone else to get hurt"
Y'know, this volume could have been avoided had RWBY and company not pulled an Ozpin and fuck everything up.
Winter joined them because the situation was so screwed that she no longer had a choice if she was committed to saving others.
it's totally the fault of ironwood who totally panicked when he saw a chess piece and who went so crazy as to become a bloodthirsty tyrant
@@TiltedPotatohead The heroes lied, Ironwood went full Stalin on his people. Different scales of evil
@@TiltedPotatoheadDebatable as if you look back at the series it seems to hint his paranoia will be his undoing but I think he need further development.
@@TiltedPotatohead Idk but it seems like he's trying to protect/compensate for any threat that may or may not exist(which I assume is because he was made aware of Salem) plus his actions of bringing war ships only led to more violence after Roman took control of them.
Afterwards you see his experience after Beacon fucked him up as he's seems stressed, scared and mad.
All I'm getting at is he seemed to have been slipping a bit after TFOB.
@@TiltedPotatohead plus I feel like his plan was sustainable in the long run and kinda fucked up.
Winter saying she knows she probably can't convince him is so sad but also such a good detail. Cause she's no longer here to convince him.
Winter seeing that opening thread
I have a newfound Love for Emerald
real homies loved her from day 1
@@TerastalJade me
I have no idea why but I have always absolutely adored her and I was so glad when she finally got the redemption arc and screen time she deserved
same
I definitely didn't find the exact point where Ironwood gets kicked in the face and loop it for several minutes straight. Certainly not.
(IT'S OOOOO- IT'S OOOOO- IT'S OOOOO- IT'S OOOOO- IT'S OOOOOKAYYYYYYYY)
I love how emerald used her abilities for good
Oh you mean 1:28 ?
@@BlackHedgehog Yeah, but if you click there *just right* then you get the exact moment it cuts back to Ironwood's face rather than catching the end of Emerald saying "feels weird".
@@Summergale413 love that part to it has yess queen energy
When the bully talks shit about your little brother so you and the homies pull up on the playground:
Lol
Honestly if the bully is that tough, perhaps your homies should back off.
Honestly, one of the best parts for me is how the music completely jumps into overdrive. It immediately makes me hyped!
How very sexy of Emerald for kicking ironwood in the face.
She definitely got that move off Mercury
@@agentquake9914 i hope they reunite
@@saltedcheese3702 I have a feeling that with time, the antagonists will unite with RWBY and JNR to fight Salem and finish her off for good.
Neo might join in Vol 9, Mercury will follow Emerald quite surely, etc.
@@cyrexi3378 I have a feeling volume 10 is the final fight with cinder
@@cyrexi3378 oh and if they care enough they might show the rest of the hero’s in vacou and they might finish Tyrian there
Whoever gave ironwood that clunky ass gun needs to be fired
To this day I'm still pissed off that team rwby got salty about ozpin lying to them about not being able to kill Salem (even though they could always capture her to stop her), but then immediately afterwards continuously lie to Ironwood about Salem, lie to Ironwood about the relic, and then leak all of his confidential plans to a revolutionary force that has no idea Salem even exists. Even after Ironwood did so much to make them trust him. And people still wonder why Ironwood was so ticked off and stopped listening to them on Volume 7 Episode 11...
Egg-freaking-exactly dude. That was bullshit incarnate
Bad Writing at it's worst
@@DarkCircles698 That's not bad writing though, everything they do in V7 makes them hypocrites but not poorly written. The bullshit and actual bad writting starts when the show tries to justify that hypocrisy and make RWBY/ORNJ look like they're right when they're clearly not.
That's the point, you know: that RWBY realized what it was like to be in Ozpin's shoes, keeping secrets for the greater good. That it bit them in the ass wasn't bad writing, it was characters with their own biases and preconceptions and lacking perfect information making a mistake, learning from it, and resolving to do better moving forward.
James was in a hell of his own making. He trusted nobody, not even his own fellow heads of state. Robyn was only resisting him because he looked like a shady power-hungry dictator that was letting GRIMM ROAM THE GODDAMN STREETS rather than do anything to patch up Mantle's defenses, AND as far as she knew, his pet war machine was caught on camera butchering her supporters. Blake and Yang realized that, and by telling her the truth, they turned an enemy into a potential ally. The MOMENT James and Robyn put a little trust in each other, they were WINNING. Then he saw that damn chess piece, and his paranoia and fear took the wheels and sent him over the edge into insanity.
@@lazurman976 What are you talking about? You remember James Trusted the ace-ops, Winter, Penny, and Team RWBY with everything he knew right? He even gave them the relic back, something that a lying dictator wouldn't do. He gave them, new weapons, he gave them their hunter's licenses. Granted I think it's stupid he didn't tell the council to begin with, but then again, Jaq Schnee got on the council and he was working with Salem's scientist douchebag.
As if that wasn't bad enough, Blake and Yang decided that a random woman who's been stealing supplies from the Amity plan they agreed to help make, and someone they don't know at all, is trustworthy enough to leak the plans to... Which ends up biting them in the ass when Ironwood's office is infiltrated and he's rightly extremely cautious and paranoid.
Also Ironwood was quite literally not letting the Grimm roam the streets of mantle. He had patrolling robots, soldiers guarding the hole in the wall, soldiers in mantle, rocket airships patrolling, and Penny (the protector of mantle) which we see when the Grimms start attacking due to Jaq, a counselor, handing out his credentials to Salem's team.
If RWBY, had told ironwood everything after Ironwood told them his plan, Ironwood would have been informed and most likely form a different plan to deal with these problems with the correct information. And if Yang and Blake didn't go behind their backs to inform an unknown vigilante about his plans, he most likely would have listened to them instead of trying to arrest them due to lack of trust.
Idc what anyone says that final slash Winter did on Ironwood was epic!
02:04 I can't even begin to explain how satisfying seeing that was. So proud of Oscar 🥰
2:12 "come on man,we said no smash ball"
RWBY: *"We disagree with your plan Ironwood!"*
Ironwood: *"But you guys haven't even give me a time to explain my plan"*
RWBY: *"That's why we disagree! Our plan is safer and best! We will bring the Atlesians into a middle of dessert storm crawling with Grimms and reveal to the world that there's an immortal Grimm Queen who cannot be kill, but maybe with the Power of Friendship, we can kill her!"*
As if Ironwood's plan was better
@@beary523 its War... Sacrifice is necessary even if we don't want to
And based on the show, it's just show Ironwood want the relic, they didn't say what he was going to do with the relic
Team RWBY is naïve, they think they can save everyone without loosing one
@@beary523 ...rwby's plan git a bunch of people chucked into the void and snatched by grim...at least ironwood understood what his plan was before he was character assassinated.
@@star22sally67 doesn’t make it a good plan
@@Claudia_Ackermann if still this sacrifice made it possible to defeat Salem or to force it to surrender. Except that this "sacrifice" would not have had any impact which would lead to the end of salem, atlas would be all the way to catch up with Salem, and Remmante would be at his mercy
Do you want a sacrifice?
Attracted salem on atlas (while having evacuated the civilian populations of atlas and mantle and the military force) so that only ironwood (and only him) remained and that he could unleash the bomb to at least temporarily neutralize salem and killing him in the process
its a sacrifice and a heroic sacrifice
reminds me of the SLVR regalia trailer with winters final strike
YES
1:24 Look at James' hand.
1:28 Look at it again.
1:38 One more time
You know I never would have noticed that if it wasn't pointed out.
.....I'm sorry, I don't get it 😐🤨
@@gamerbro8399 LOOK. AT. HIS. HAND.
@@strings491 And now you cannot un-see it.
@@Darth_Bateman I do see his hand. I just don't understand what you're pointing out 🤨
Rest in Peace General.
You fought. You lost. Now, you may rest.
For you, the war is over.
For Team RWBY, ORNG, and Winter, may there be a Hell worthy of their treachery.
@@Vigriff 9th Circle, right next to Satan
If Winter wasn’t there I could see the fight going differently. The only times people actually hit Ironwood was when Winter was using her glyphs (Nora’s hammer getting an electric charge, Winter’s giant boar, Oscar’s glyph boosted poke barrage). I’m not necessarily saying he would’ve won, but the fight would’ve been much uglier
The fact that he would have successfully killed Winter not that much later had she not obtained the Maiden powers, despite him taking the beating seen here, is proof that age/experience + Aura are the single biggest determinant of fights in RWBY.
2:14
I can just see the announcer from Cross Tag Battle saying, *DUAL FINISH!*
Or "Can't Escape From Crossing Fate" before the fight started
I mean Ironwood got hit with both Winter’s and Ozcar’s finishers, so yeah that works for me.
2:13 That feeling when you sneeze so good that your whole body recalibrates.
i hope Winter spends her 30 pieces of silver wisely
1:24 Penny's face with Emerald's sass has got me feeling... very homosexual.
Penny and Emerald are awesome
Kind of which the fight lasted a lot longer and we saw Ironwood take out the aura of someone like Emerald, or Nora and for Jaune to help heal their aura. Would've made the next fight scenes more intense because we knew that some of then were low on aura already.
Still can’t get over Oscar using million stabs on Ironwood to this day😂
Love the fight, have mixed feelings about the season. I don’t mind Ironwood becoming an antagonist, and in season 7 I could rationalize/excuse any decisions that felt weird. I could even buy him murdering that one guy , but there was no way you can expect me to believe he would nuke mantle. That’s literally the dumbest thing ever. Ironwood is controlling and believes everyone should trust him even though he doesn’t trust others much: hence why I got him going against the protagonists and his decision to try and save atlas. But there’s no way he would kill millions of people out of spite. When Penny got the maiden powers he woulda been pissed, but he also would have used fhe opportunity to get as many more Mantle people in Atlas. Time was of the essence but he had room to do that and hunt for Penny and the others. And even if he did, after he lost, he sure as fuck wouldn’t throw a tantrum and try to kill everyone because Atlas was falling. He would be pissed, but he would have realized there was no point fighting anymore. But the worst offense? He let Salem and Cinder leave… AFTER DOING EVERYTHING IN HIS POWER TO STOP THEM! HE WOULD HAVE TAKEN A SHOT AT THEM WITHOUT QUESTION!! HE WOULDA THROWN HIS EMPTY GUN AT THEM OUT OF PRIDE!!!! He wouldn’t just aim, then get all depressed.
Fucking exactly
I dropped RWBY after Vol 5 and avidly read its fanfiction instead but I must ask; is it worth coming back to? Like I’m curious to see what CRWBY has done with it but your comment was probably the most blatant character assassination I can think of for a noble character like Ironwood
@@comicalpeculiarity6174 LOL no. season 6 had slightly good moments (overall meh) and then season 7 and 8 kept on being a shithole
@@Siike_ Why do you keep watching then? Is rwby just an unhealthy obsession for you like some bumblebee shipper that needs therapy.
@@zackrose6261 I just finished it for the sake of wanting to finish it. Since season 6 was ok i figured ill watch season 7, then season 8 was short so i was like eh sure. Not planning to watch it further, the whole appeal was from the characters themselves from the universe, i suppose
Oscer’s growing so fast and it makes me happy.
Can we all just talk about how Ironwood would make the best Jeagerist
He's more of a King Reis, tbh
Eh probably not. He's more of a "save the many at a cost of the few"
Honestly this could be the name of the whole volume
I was hoping we would get a scene with Ozpin and Ironwood before the big final
This is definitely one of my top 5 scenes in RWBY, caught me off guard and hyped me up. It's so well done, good job RT 👏 Monty would be proud
Winters fighting style is so fast and precise.
Every movement had a purpose
that final winter strike was *chef's kiss*
Kinda a shame we never got to see Ironwood and Ozpin talk to eachother this volume
Yeah, I would have been a great conflict between the two.
Agreed... Or at least let Ironwood be surprised Oscar's alive?? Even just a look of shock? Ah, well
Can't say Ozcar would be in much of a talking mood considering their last talk ended with a bullet to the chest
I feel like Oscar already said everything that needed to be said at the end of Volume 7 in Ozpin's place which was why they didn't interact again here
@@Ammy-q4w To be fair Oscar was just talking out of his ass there. And everybody kept screwing him over without actually providing an alternative solution to the mantle problem.
0:12 why the hell do robots need another robot to signal them to keep moving
One word… weird bullshit
Four against one? Cowards!
- Weiss Schnee
Sorry but, What’s that mean? 💚
You be first one that die in war that how you think
"You've been honing that semblance of yours"
Did anyone else noticed that the final Attack of Winter is Vergil's Judgement Cut or at least a reference?
I thought she just played Fire Emblem recently or something and got inspired lol
@@eternalGEN3SIS maybe or just she created a variation of both Attacks
Or the opening thread from Demon Slayer
I did, and thought of it too.
Reminds me of the FF Zantesuken
3 years later this fight still gives me CHILLLSS 😢
They really did Ironwood dirty didn't they.
Ironwood threatened to nuke their asses. They were past fighting fair.
Oscar fighting gives me so much serotonin 💚
I feel bad for Ironwood, man’s is the only one who’s decisions aren’t based on “oh I was helping evil” or hormones, He is the only one getting stuff done no matter the cost, all he wants to do is protect his floating city and they won’t even let him do that, HELL THEY MADE IT PLUMMIT SO THEY CAN MAKE A WISH, I know Ironwood isn’t making the most sane decisions but at least they aren’t dumb or putting peoples livelihoods out to die
This episode of RWBY was BADASS!!!!! I can't wait to see more fights like this one.
I love that fact that Emerald kick ironwood in the chin just like in the song I'm the One. " A slap on the wrist and a kick to the chin" is the lyrics from the song.
That particular kick is also one you see Mercury do a lot ^^
I've never watched a single epsiode but this Ironwood guy stood on business.
I can’t tell if it was by design that the only people able to directly hurt the general were the ones he had trusted (winter, Oscar/Ozpin) or ones directly aided by them (I.e. Nora propelled by winter)
Discounting the first hit by emerald who got the drop on him ofcourse
@@robertwellman6503 he was displaying trust believing it was Penny but was immediately betrayed.
Say what you will about Ironwood, but you got to admire the fact that when he chooses a course he sticks to it and has the will and strength to back himself up. They had to get the jump on him in order to beat him down.
I was so disappointed this giga chad became an antagonist I always believed he had big dick protagonist energy even a a side character, it was so satisfying to finally witness him go all out in this fight as final boss
One of the best fights on the show easily. The gang finally realizing that sometimes the only way too win is too play completely dirty. Just like how Salem took out Maria, no matter how strong a hunter or huntress, exhaust and out number them and they won't stand a chance. It's def a parallel too the gang relaxing the same thing with stealing the plane.
Have people forgotten that this is the same man that ragdolled a Grimm twice his size back in season 3?
This is the only way they could’ve done this lol.
this is my favorat part of volume 8 episode BRO GO EMERALD
Same
Damn Ironwood is a beast. His semblance may be have been poorly written but his semblance also forces him to make decisions that are best for Atlas (in his eyes). So continuing to fight until he’s knocked out or dead makes sense cause he sees himself as the sole reason Atlas has survived. So if he loses here, Atlas loses.
Ironwood had no weapon, mentally damaged, was ambushed, weak at the time, tanked one of Nora's hits, stopped a chimera grimm summon and fought against one of his best soldiers, and still kept up a fight
And people say "he went down too fast/easily"
@@beary523 yeah, some people Just don’t understand that this wasn’t just a physical battle. It was also a mental battle against ironwood.
The way that fight was going, I feel like they would have been screwed without Winters support
My man got ambushed by 5 people in an instant plus his one strongest ally turned on him, he still managed to hold out against all 6 of them for a solid 30 seconds.
When you and friends fight the raid boss be like:
I have to admit, I always love the "Everyone just pile on" solution
LOVED this fight scene sm!
But one thing that bothered me was that even after Ironwood's aura broke, he later still acted as before, even though his recent rash decision-making and heartless personality were supposedly being caused by his semblance ("Mettle" (?) "Metal" (?)). It's a small thing, but it still frustrated me a little that's all
The semblance only pushes his actions further, but all the choices he made are his own sadly. His semblance simply pushes his humanity and emotions away to complete a set task he already wanted done. So even when his aura is broken he still has his own goal.
Yeah, it is frustrating that his semblance isn’t very clear how it works but I can live with it.
Also, I think it's been stated that passive semblances (like Qrow's bad luck) don't use up aura.
Or at least, it uses little enough that it's still in effect even when the user doesn't have enough aura to use defensively.
Passive semblances don't have an off.
Dude, ironwood's semblance was one of if not the biggest asspull I have ever seen in fiction. It's something M&K came up with mid season an only mentioned outside the series. Character assassination at its finest, especially given who he was supposed to represent for M&K.
It kinda feels like we're taking shortcuts in fights nowadays... I guess we can't expect the same fights like when Monty was alive. But...