[Eng Sub] "Can a Man and a Woman Be 'JUST Friends'?" Nijisanji Girls' Talk [Nijisanji Vtuber]
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A question as old as time. What are your opinions on this topic?
Also, Hoshikawa has been working overtime recently in terms of interesting collab content. I've seen a lot of pretty cool stuff pop up on my feed and it's all been Hoshikawa-related lol, so prob check her recent schedule out if you want to see some decent Nijisanji content. This was part of a girls' talk stream with Ange, Sasaki, Himawari, and Hoshikawa. You can tell just from this question alone who has experience and who doesn't (hint: it's most of them)...
[Translator's Notes/Appendix - I have a significant number of places here where I just put "everybody is talking". Trying to translate Hoshikawa's and Sasaki's speech/slang, Ange's mumbling, and Himawari's shouting/dialect at the same time is very much above my pay grade. Sorry. Also, I did put extra effort into translating this more carefully tone-wise because it is a more nuanced topic for people. This means that I sacrificed a bit of direct translation portability for a more accurate tone for each of the girls.]
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Tell that to a shipper and they'll have a mental breakdown
"GunKaaaan!?" *screeches*
*spit flowing from its mouth* "GuunKan!" *slurping noises* "GUUNNKAANNN"
@@ChrisDaPatriot Yeah. Shippers can be very...frightening.
@@HakunonMatata Hoshikawa and Shiina menacingly staring at GunKan
Tell a shipper that any relationship can/could be platonic and they might just kill you.
I only ship yuri so remember that there are exceptions
Female friend: *sweating
Bois : OU TO?
I love how it's the girl into NTR who is the most reserved about men having female friends
I think what Ange was getting at is; Even between a male/female friendship, there's bound to be a feeling of love towards eachother. But that doesn't necessarily mean romantic love. There's more than one way to love a person, and it doesn't always have to be the type that wants to get in the others' pants.
Well it's true it's not necessarily romantic love
I love my female best friends lol
If you tend a garden (relationship) together, it's bound to be a flower blooming.
@@Catalistic exactly
I mean yeah
I love all my friends regardless of gender but
you know
is it so hard to understand that sometimes i just want to sit on the steeps with my pals
talk about the heat death of the universe
throw a salami at eachother
and then go our seperate ways to do it all again
gender shouldn't matter i guess
Tldr platonic love exists
Obviously they can, look at the entirety of Nijisanji, the boys & girls are basically friends...
Except _Kanda_ and _Gundou-sensei_ ofc, they're not allowed to be just friends xD
it is stated in nijisanji law book section IV "gunkan is cannon to the nijisanji plotline"
@@crimsonphoenix8907 How about the Yashiro and Dola? Are they already uhh. .
Well also Gwelu with his wife
@@あきら-v7h true, but his wife isn't nijisanji
@@Jay-fs2nw Or is she?
Men aren't "simple" psychologically speaking either. It's just not the same way as women, but different doesn't equal simpler. Heck, it is a cultural problem in my opinion that the psychological complexity of the male brain gets either ignored or understated.
I am assuming you are male as well?( sorry if i am wrong its not really that important to my point , but i will want too see if u agree)
In psychologic and thinking aspect none are simple, but the way it manifest is affected greatly by the sex itself and then affected by surrounding culture and moral. Men tend to break down complex problem and solve it with simple solution . Women tend to took a more emotional perspective too the problem. This is what mostly cause the friction between both sex, women tend to misunderstood the simplicity of man care as ignorance or lack of care, while men find it hard to understand the not so straigh forward need that woman want
@@hexfizgamingch women seems like to think too deep when there is a problem. while men simply gave his solution and not to think too much about it.
Women like to think there is a meaning behind people action, while men just don't care about it unless they talk straightforward when doing it. (I can't believe how many times do I found out about affection behind their act whenever I watch a romance/drama movie with my sister)
Women is indeed likes to thing more complex compared to men. -coming from a men here.
There's also the cultural aspect to consider. Men are usually taught to be more bold and straightforward, as they are supposed to be the 'active' side of the relationship. That is changing, of course, and you can see the effects on courtship with women taking the initiative more often now.
@@hexfizgamingch what do you want
That's not simple
God damnit
What do you want please WDYW??
Really appreciate the translations!
sweating is a tag they should know literally anything can turn men on
When I was younger, I had more female friends than male friends. I'm still close friend with two of them (after almost 20 years). For those two, I feel normal friendship for one of them while the other one is a close friend that feels like family, as though she was my sister or cousin.
So yes, it IS possible.
If you are a boy, my family would ask you if you are gay or something which is offending
@@yubinator7455 I am indeed a guy, and I'm hetero.
Lol for me most of my female friends were like "it'd be waste if I date you, Being friend with you is so fun"
I don't even attracted/anything to any of these girl 😂
@Tum Tum well said
I can't be the only guy here who had close female friends who suddenly wanted to become "closer," right? Because that's my experience, and goddamn it is so awkward because responding ain't easy when you want to keep your friendship with them but you're not really eager for intimacy.
_Me as a female who likes women and has MOSTLY female friends..._
Yeah... I know the feeling..
Ange's example of "i'm sweaty" was so good, cuz its just crossing that line of "things you'd casually tell a friend of the opposite gender", but not so much that it crossed over to the side of "things you'd tell a person you want to be sexually involved with".
Hoo boy nothing gets me attracted to a girl like them sweating
I'll tell you, if I ever get friends
it's not impossible but its just very hard to do in some cases. For me personally yes you can be just friends, but there is gonna be a point in your friendship where either you or they start liking you more than just a friend and the feeling not being the same. Sometimes the friendship ends right there or you move on with your life still friends but not as close as before
there's always that 'chance' at the back of our minds after all
Gohan true and also depends whether theyre in a relationship at the time or not
unless it's a gay guy and a lesbian girl
yeah, it's pretty hard to translate what they are saying when they all talked at once, of course you can do it, but it just takes more effort in my opinion, so rounding everyone with a "Everyone talking" is also acceptable,
its not like every detail, every nook and cranny is important to be subtitled
Yes, it is impossible for me to see my best female friends in a sexual way. I already have so much time with them that they are like family.
Exactly. It's the same for me.
Same, or they are just straight up not my type but still cool to hang out with
Yeah, they end up like sisters, I would never be able to see them in any other way than that and I think all my friends think the same way.
kudry fume yeah, they're kinda like your sibling you know? Sometimes, i see myself as my best friend's nanny because she can get unstable real quick.
Exactly, friend and familyzoning goes both ways.
This is a disparity I see sometimes, where one person sees romantic feelings as an eventuality of friendship, and the other tends to decide what type of relationship they'd prefer from the start.
I have an inkling of the kind of relationship I want with someone after one look, and a clear idea after an hour of talking.
should have a roundtable discussion like this with the boys
Yes We Can!
Well, hello obama. :)
Yes We Can, Yes We Did. LOL
I have a lot of female friends with no other intention at all. So it is possible for a male and female to be friend only
But is she think of you as a friend?
@@windelsiarza4140 she always does
@@keps_ksk always has been
@@anwarsadikin7354 *bang*
No comment I guess. Just PEIN.
Yes it can. I have female friend and we don't do any sexual ulterior motives. I think it's depending on culture and the person itself
Keren
acquaintance
Ange's has been ganged up by 3 Onee-sans and now she's being ganged up by 3 high-schools girls
Yeah, I'm of the opinion that men and women can be friends without there being a romantic or sexual element involved. I feel like when you're dating someone and you see your SO hanging out with the opposite sex, if you start to think along those lines it could just be jealousy. As for the image of men being weak-willed to those things, there's probably some truth, but I wouldn't say it's 100%. Like men aren't just walking around thinking of sex constantly or always being open to fuck anyone who breathes. Sometimes we don't want to do it either lol. Also I've been watching a therapist lately and apparently men and women aren't as different in the ways they think as folks would have you believe. There's some difference, but not to degree of 'men are from Mars, women are from Venus.'
The answer is still depends on the person doing it, unless you can read other people minds
Took a while from the search bar to reach vtuber content from a random search.
No regret
Crazy thing is when you see a girl as just a friend, sometimes they start assuming your more interested than you are even if you explain yourself and they begin to ruin the relationship by:
-Being cold or distant, often growing more distant the longer you hang out until every moment becomes unsettling for both sides
-Constantly reminding you they have a boyfriend/husband and talking about him excessively
-Avoiding you/Talking as little to you as possible
-Calling you out on it and refusing your answer
-Trying to hook you up with someone else so they don't feel like your interested in them
-Flat out cutting all ties with you
As much as I believe guys and girls can be just friends, girls have to stop doing these things just as much as guys need to stop advancing on girls that have established the friendzone with them. I know not everyone does it but the people who do ruin it for everyone.
I know I can't be liked, so I settle for being useful.
@@MansMan42069 Thats a defeatist attitude and you'll be unlikable to girls as long as you believe you cannot be liked due to the atmosphere you create with that attitude. Plenty of losers reel in girls. I know. I'm a loser and I've reeled in more girls than I ever thought.
Get some confidence and don't become arrogant.
Friendzone is bullshit, so many best friends ended up married is the proof. Male and female relationship are complex and filled with “it depends”. If you’re not sexually and emotionally fulfilling, but she’s only friend with you because you’re convinient then she will reject you if you tried for more. But if the attraction is there and the man has the social aptitute to give sign to the girl without being overwhelming that he’s ready to move on from being friend, then the relationship would move along just as well even if she has labeled you as friend.
As for me I’m a girl and a lot of guys have been expressing that they have a crush on me. Before that, we were just friends and nothing else... I didn’t even do anything that might’ve given them hopes. Just gaming and the like. They always want to change the relationship though and keeps trying to make advancements even though I’ve already expressed that I have no interest in dating and I don’t see them as a potential partner. That honestly gives me no choice but to slowly stop talking to them because they don’t ever take in perspective about how uncomfortable I feel.
Edit: There was this guy who kept following me to my classes (we have classes in different directions) for months and coming to the lunch table where I eat with my friends and just ruining the mood by trying to talk to me and mentioning my name. He’d ask people I’m friends with about what kind of things I like. At that point I pretty much figured out what was going on... I directly told him I don’t have any interest in him, sorry but it’s never going to work out. (We weren’t friends beforehand) he keeps following me to this day though. Thankfully it’s summer break now so I’ll have some time to breathe
@@Kim-fi5nf The biggest tragedies of unrequited love is that both parties are in a quandary. The lover risks the rejection and ire of his loved one. The loved risks being sued for love.
At the very least, you were liked. Not by the people you like, granted, but liked nonetheless. You are not a bad person for rejecting someone who saw something in you.
But what I've realised is that we're selfish creatures. They don't need your love to love you. They'll love you anyway.
I think this is a talk i am too virgin to understand
"there's a lot of times where woman says something convenient" hah! preach it Hoshikawa!
What does 'convenient' mean in this context btw?
@@shkpotter9844 it's like only said something when it benefits them. Like when you are on a sinking ship asking for ladies first to escape yet when it was war conscription it became men first
@@nanotsuki hmm gotcha
@@nanotsuki This is just stupid. "Women and children first" weren't asked by women, it's a code of conduct when resources for survival are limited although it's not codified on maritime law. Guess who coined the phrase? A dude.
Government decide who and when someone gets drafted to consription, it's not up to women or any regular citizens. Many countries have enlisted more women soldiers than ever, which even as stupid as it sounds, they're willing to participate in a war.
@@axelgumilar7141 i also think they should change it though, since this gender equality era began. Old and child first, the rest is survival the fittest.
I dont know why but Gunkan keeps popping in my head during this conversation.
i can’t believe how easy it is for them to keep a conversation going
is it like
a foreign concept
for girls and bois just to hang out
be bros
talk about the heat death of the universe
throw a salami at eachother
hug
and go our seperate ways?
Nah dude but the salami one i don't know
This isn't decent translation.
This is a really great translation and interpretation.
Ange the ultimate DT
Nice talk
I mean, yeah if both parties allows it. But yeah, can't avoid it when someone sees it at something more than that. My friend and I just laughs it off or just for the fun of it, we sorta act like a couple to get a reaction.
Oh yeah it can, that called Friendzoned
Fuck yeah it hurts
humans are not animals which mostly driven by instinct. every person capable to hold down their gender related instinct to do something, its a matter if that person wants to do it or not
It's possible that a man and a woman can be purely friends with each other and still find each other attractive. Sometimes the friendship that lasts a long time is better than an iffy relationship that'll crash in a few months. Sometimes there's no going back once you tried an intimate relationship with a good friend. If that intimate relationship fails, it's sometimes hard or impossible to go back to just being friends depending on the circumstances and your relationship won't be how it once was.
Of course if you don't find your friend attractive then the chances of getting involved are slim.
In other words, reasons why they're single, including the experienced Hoshikawa.
If I'm not mistaken, hoshikawa HAS a boyfriend
Dafuq Alfayedh Had. She was failsafe. Funny how woman tends to do that to boys and its fine yet when boys do the same its suddenly not fine. Double standards
@@nomblob5592 had huh? Well since she spent her birthday streaming, I guess so 😂
They are friends because they are not attracted to each other. There is "friendzone" for a reason.
For me the word friend in and of itself is too general. I only have 4 friends but there are plenty of people i talk to pretty much every single day and can laugh with, but i wouldnt ever call them friends. Only acquaintances, so thats why I dont really think a friendship can exist between men and women, well maybe just for me it wouldnt. We are way too different and the only people i can talk to about most of my problems or opinions are my friends cuz for example my mom or my sister just dont understand me cuz im a man and gotta deal with different shit from them and I dont talk to my dad so friends are the only ones. I only consider someone my friend when we can talk about our problems and our feelings, we make fun of each other but we still care and im genuinely happy that I have a few great friends. I hope anyone reading who doesnt have a good friend group also finds them one day, also a bit unrelated but dont be afraid of change and work towards being the best you can be and one day it will work out.
If the question is whether or not it's possible, the answer is obviously yes, I'm sure you've seen examples of it before. Of course we could never know whether or not they have feelings or hiding it from each other, but regardless we know that it Could Happen. But if the question is which is More Likely, for it to stay as friendship or for it turn into something else, the answer will be drastically different from person to person. In my opinion, One way or the other, one party in such friendship will eventually (if given enough time) develop a feeling to the other. Maybe it'll die down naturally and verdict with distance or maybe it'll be the thing that breaks a friendship. It gets even more complicated when either one of the party has a lover, of course ideally no one will feel the slightest bit of jealousy, but I've yet to see that actually happens, especially if the friendship starts first.
I think that is an opinion far removed from reality. Not every friendship is the bosom buddy type. You can have lots of opposite gender aquaintances that you consider friends, but are not especially close to. Close friends also may simply not be in your strike zone or be attractive to you. It's really quite odd to assume that time is the only true factor in the development of romantic feelings. By the same token you could assume that this is unavoidable with family members or same sex friends given enough time. It's a really shallow view of psychology.
@@yoursonisold8743 it does happen actually, but of course it goes under the rugs, regarding that it's considered taboo
Nahh
@@titobungo01 ...I did not try to imply that incestuous relationships aren't a thing. I was saying that the idea that "with enough time it is inevitable" is completely baseless. And same sex romance for straight people is incredibly unlikely to happen no matter how much time passes. There would have to be other factors involved, like extreme isolation/lack of social contact. A pseudo-romantic attraction to the only person that's around and there for you.
@@yoursonisold8743 Actually, incestual relationship is a bit of a unique case. Take this with a massive grain of salt, but it has something to do with evolution trying its darn best to block incestual relationship because of how unfavourable it is and preprogramming it into your brain almost like an instinct. The most obvious example of this is childhood friends of opposite genders not being able to see each other as romantic partners, the thinking being that your brain already rules out the option from the start because it already classify them as siblings (again, massive grain of salt, it's mostly my opinion and personal observation, not based on actual research) . There are a lot of factors in play, obviously (e.g. Puberty, sexual hormones, age of maturity, distance, characters in people, etc) . To be honest, I'm oversimplifying it for the sake of my own narrative, but this Is a YT comment section, not a scientific paper discussion, so cut me some slack.
I was in this situation and it is possible for a man and a woman to be just friend. I can guarantee it that it is possible.
I don't know anyone who can make a convincing conclusion to this proposition.
Yes you can. 2 of my 3 best friends are girls and we get along very well. And idk about boys in Japan but I don't think it's that hard to look at girls without sexual thoughts lol or maybe it has something to do with their culture so idk
Yes, yes they can.
_sobs_
Yes, men and women can also be just friends. That’s why there is something called “Friendzone” XD
Don’t take my comment seriously. I commented before watching the clip :v People can be friends with other people without the need of being rejected :v
With that example the man still wanted to be more than friends but is not allowed to. I think that goes against the spirit of the question.
The spooky friendzone, that doesn't exist. Just be fucking normal, not every girl you talk to owes you a date or a knob slob so try to enjoy your time with them as people or you're limiting yourself to only 50% of the population for friendships.
That's not rlly the point of this question. It's whether they can have a platonic relationship w/o friendzone and shit.
alotta people are arguing about the simple thingy but if you werent simple then just shrug that off what matters is what you show not the opinion of others. Though what hoshikawa said is a truth it may not be you or you may not realize it you are. It is still possible for we have a billion people
In my entire 17 years of life, i only able to encounter *2* female friend that i can strongly call "Close Friend", as in the one where you could throw dirty, sexual, dark or light jokes to them and be fine with it. Other female friends? Yeah they are just friends, nothing nore and nothing less.
So the answer is yes.
Idk how the entire pannel is saying otherwise, maybe because of their culture?
You might not believe it but yes it is possible. The only difference is that it is easier to have bros, a friend of a friend will eventually be a friend.
Would be nice if everyone understood the concept of platonic love
It is possible some would end up having another feeling but it possible...
The answer to this Question is yes. And the reason why?: Because everyone is an individual.
You can't put men and women into two seperate categories when each person has diffrent criteria when looking for a lover, wether that be physical due to sexual preference or emotional due to bonds and shared experience. You also have to take in account the people who are gay/lesbian , bisexual and even those who are asexual.
YES
being told i am pretty much a piece of shit like this is pretty uncomfortable. I mean i already knew that but still. Is interesting what they think about this topic tho.
Istg I always mistook himawari with saku and vice versa all the time.
I like one of my friends as in romantic way but I have no desire to be in a relationship with her, isn't she still considered as a friend?
That’s your choice. Liking people but not wanting a relationship is very normal. Just that some people are wanting to get that relationship before anyone does so or if you’re insecure or scared before she got taken or doing it with others, that’s why some people are in a relationships.
simple yes nothing wrong with that...
Sorry to say this but none of us here have ever met a girl in rl sooooo...... 😔
"met"? or not just friends with one?
There is no girl at all at your residence? Dude...
I wish girls were real.
Speak for yourself.
nami Hana I’m lonely sir
Btw the word content in the description is lacking the t, just saying. I feel like questions like this need a scenario to be paired with, if it's just can man and woman just be friends the answer is always gonna be yes.
I'm sweaty~
i dont understand the part when they say there is no men 3.32
no men in the video
@@GITAHxgCoo ahhhh omg cant believe that took me so long to realise...
here's something i gotta say tho
they can, but they cannot be as close as same gender friendship, they just cannot.
there are still gonna be space between them, at least some that they cannot cross
Imo it depends on what you mean by friend really, from my experience it's impossible to be close friends but it's definitely possible to be friendly, like the difference between a friend and a buddy/acquaintance
If you're genuinely close enough it's only a matter of time until one side or both start developing feelings or become sexually attracted to one another, that's why gender boundaries are a thing
In my experience yes you can if you swallow your feelings in fear of ruining your friendship and if you're not awkward about it it can remain as normal or platonic. And NO if you can't lol or if it's too painful for them.
Tbh we can say that YES they can be friends but we don't know if the people we are friends with liked us first before throwing those feelings out of the window. They just didn't tell anyone, and they'd never admit it lol I'll never admit it to him but I'm super comfortable with him to the point where i can sleep together with him in his bed or hang out everyday in his room, playing games, drawing and many more. I even stayed the night, I trust him that much. He's one of the closest friends that I can sleep with under the same blanket.
Well yes, but actually no.
Wait, women _actually_ exist in real life?
to answer the question it's yes. but we just call it friendzone.
Girls Talk, Ey
I always want to know how the girls talk work. Is it like Bois or not.
But instead they talking about Sexual think too
Guess there's no different
you can, its just very hard if you both are hetero
are they talking about Japanese men? Western men are different breed.
Impossible
no
Whether a male n female can be just frienda depends on them, on how they treat each other , on how they know the limit of how a "friend" should act like, unless youre best friends thats going all out with each other without any emo,
I remember Hoshikawa saying that she got cheated at so i (just a guess) think it affected her view about guys by saying Men are simp-le..
Im just talking nonsense 😂
Roses are Red
Im not that Brave
This make no sense
KAMEHAME WAVE
Guys shut up. We men are simple. Men either want just sex or a real relationship.
We either like you or we don't. That's pretty much it.
Depends on the man, I think. I personally can't outside group setting, if I can get along well enough with a girl, one on one, I will inadvertently be sexually attracted to them.
I seriously do not understand people who think potential attraction equals guaranteed romantic feelings. I'm bi does that mean I can't have friends? Hey wait a minute...
Men and women can be just a friend.
It lie right, i mean everytime i talk to them, they always assuming i hit on them even if they not, their friend will assuming that.
That why i didn't like shipping real person. It make person uncomfortable.
I can't have female friend at all, Kuso.
Sexfriend is still friend right