During the livestream for this at the start of dangerous, I was subconsciously filling in the crew parts so when the silence hit I was just like "make it back... alive... to our homeland? Wait, where's the- oh. Holy shit that's heavy."
1. Actually, a thing you may have missed in Dangerous is that when 20:40 plays, it’s the same exact melody as Thunderbringer, which I can interpret in two ways. A. Hermes was sent by order of Zeus, as in the original Odyssey or, (and I’m betting on this one) B. This is what I’m gonna call the “Divine Intervention” Motif, where a God fully involves themselves in the matters of mortals “for the heck of it” 2. Not sure if it was the case because Jay confirmed in the behind the scenes that Hermes has the lyre because he invented it. It’s implied that during the 7 year time skip, Hermes offers his lyre to Apollo which is why Apollo has the lyre in God Games and in Dangerous, he no longer has the iconic lyre sounds, but fully leans into the funky 80s retro. Light string instruments like harps are there to compensate, but it’s a different instrument from the one he used in Wouldn’t You Like. 3. Funny you mentioned the Star Wars reference. Many reactors have been comparing Charybdis to the Sarlacc pit or even Shia Hulud from Dune 4. It’s been 20 years. Jay made the 12 year mistake, so I’ll headcanon it so it’s smooth 10 years of war in Troy 2 years stranded on Circe’s Island after Ruthlessness 7 year timeskip since Thunder Bringer Extra time spent doing Miscellaneous stuff (I.e. 9 days awake in Keep Your Friends Close, Odysseus passed out for an undisclosed amount of time in Mutiny) 5. In Dangerous, Odysseus says “I’ll use every trick in my domain for this”. Notice in “Get in the Water”, Odysseus starts with Kindness (Pleading for Mercy, Asking Poseidon to Forgive), and by “Six Hundred Strike”, he uses Intelligence (Wind Bag Shenanigans, Figuring out the godly nature of his gifts such as windbag and Poseidon’s Trident) and finally, Ruthlessness ( Stabby fork time) 6. Spot on. Remember that mortals cannot summon choirs of diegetic ensemble singers. In Dangerous, Hermes says “no mortal can pass Poseidon’s storm”. Theories suggest that Odysseus “died” at the end of Get in the Water and was reborn as the monster in Six Hundred Strike. You can say he’s “No Longer You” anyway, main point here is, as the monster, he no longer is mortal and can summon diegetic choirs at will. That’s all I could catch, always happy to help and I enjoy your reactions!
Honesty, it's just brilliant and frankly _chilling_ how Dangerous uses the instrumentation and the broken call and response to simultaneously call back to Full Speed Ahead, and yet contrast the difference in Odysseus' situation.
The viola and the end of not sorry for loving you sounded like the strings in the song puppeteer when second in command came back and I wonder if it was because even in the song callypso was still somewhat manipulative in the song with lines like "I'm sorry my love is too much for you"
When you mention that the music reverses by the end of Charybdis, the image of water receding just before a tsunami came to my mind. It's like a musical representation of the moment just before shit hits the fan.
That choral moment at the beginning of 600 Strike that resembles the chant of "PO-LY-PHE-MUS" *is* the danger motif. He uses it SO many times and I'm sure I've only found a couple dozen. Also, I found it interesting that the lines from "I don't think you seem to get it/ I can't afford to die" hearken back to Little Wolf- "You've made your worst mistake here/ Might be your last one too."
Another thing to point out at the beginning of Dangerous vs. Full Speed Ahead is that Ody's goal wasn't matched with his men. They wanted to make it back alive to the homeland --and yes, Ody wanted that too-- but specifically his goal was to make it back to his wife, his family at any cost, including the cost of his men. The difference in goal is echoed in the silence where his men would have been singing.
There are two wolves in me, one sings 'You ... monsteeeeeer" and the other sings "Told me to close my heart" ... neither can live while the other survives. 😅 On a more serious note, I have loved listening to you do your analysis vids, and I'm glad you're now able to do this on a second go-around instead of doing it off the cuff as a first reaction like at the start. I like that you've had the time to listen and gather your thoughts. You also mentioned recs for future videos, and Starkid have released a longer version of VHS Christmas Carol, called VHS Christmas Carols. Might be a fun December video.
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Life may have duties but personally I need to sit down at the tavern for an hour to listen to a funky bard explain good songs
During the livestream for this at the start of dangerous, I was subconsciously filling in the crew parts so when the silence hit I was just like "make it back... alive... to our homeland? Wait, where's the- oh. Holy shit that's heavy."
1. Actually, a thing you may have missed in Dangerous is that when 20:40 plays, it’s the same exact melody as Thunderbringer, which I can interpret in two ways.
A. Hermes was sent by order of Zeus, as in the original Odyssey or, (and I’m betting on this one)
B. This is what I’m gonna call the “Divine Intervention” Motif, where a God fully involves themselves in the matters of mortals “for the heck of it”
2. Not sure if it was the case because Jay confirmed in the behind the scenes that Hermes has the lyre because he invented it. It’s implied that during the 7 year time skip, Hermes offers his lyre to Apollo which is why Apollo has the lyre in God Games and in Dangerous, he no longer has the iconic lyre sounds, but fully leans into the funky 80s retro. Light string instruments like harps are there to compensate, but it’s a different instrument from the one he used in Wouldn’t You Like.
3. Funny you mentioned the Star Wars reference. Many reactors have been comparing Charybdis to the Sarlacc pit or even Shia Hulud from Dune
4. It’s been 20 years. Jay made the 12 year mistake, so I’ll headcanon it so it’s smooth
10 years of war in Troy
2 years stranded on Circe’s Island after Ruthlessness
7 year timeskip since Thunder Bringer
Extra time spent doing Miscellaneous stuff (I.e. 9 days awake in Keep Your Friends Close, Odysseus passed out for an undisclosed amount of time in Mutiny)
5. In Dangerous, Odysseus says “I’ll use every trick in my domain for this”. Notice in “Get in the Water”, Odysseus starts with Kindness (Pleading for Mercy, Asking Poseidon to Forgive), and by “Six Hundred Strike”, he uses Intelligence (Wind Bag Shenanigans, Figuring out the godly nature of his gifts such as windbag and Poseidon’s Trident) and finally, Ruthlessness ( Stabby fork time)
6. Spot on. Remember that mortals cannot summon choirs of diegetic ensemble singers. In Dangerous, Hermes says “no mortal can pass Poseidon’s storm”. Theories suggest that Odysseus “died” at the end of Get in the Water and was reborn as the monster in Six Hundred Strike. You can say he’s “No Longer You” anyway, main point here is, as the monster, he no longer is mortal and can summon diegetic choirs at will.
That’s all I could catch, always happy to help and I enjoy your reactions!
Thank you! I always love when others add things!!!
Honesty, it's just brilliant and frankly _chilling_ how Dangerous uses the instrumentation and the broken call and response to simultaneously call back to Full Speed Ahead, and yet contrast the difference in Odysseus' situation.
The viola and the end of not sorry for loving you sounded like the strings in the song puppeteer when second in command came back and I wonder if it was because even in the song callypso was still somewhat manipulative in the song with lines like "I'm sorry my love is too much for you"
When you mention that the music reverses by the end of Charybdis, the image of water receding just before a tsunami came to my mind. It's like a musical representation of the moment just before shit hits the fan.
That choral moment at the beginning of 600 Strike that resembles the chant of "PO-LY-PHE-MUS" *is* the danger motif. He uses it SO many times and I'm sure I've only found a couple dozen.
Also, I found it interesting that the lines from "I don't think you seem to get it/ I can't afford to die" hearken back to Little Wolf- "You've made your worst mistake here/ Might be your last one too."
Another thing to point out at the beginning of Dangerous vs. Full Speed Ahead is that Ody's goal wasn't matched with his men. They wanted to make it back alive to the homeland --and yes, Ody wanted that too-- but specifically his goal was to make it back to his wife, his family at any cost, including the cost of his men. The difference in goal is echoed in the silence where his men would have been singing.
Also, "Make it back alive to our homeland". They aren't alive anymore so...
I can tell from the beginning Dangerous being your top 5 song 😂
There are two wolves in me, one sings 'You ... monsteeeeeer" and the other sings "Told me to close my heart" ... neither can live while the other survives. 😅
On a more serious note, I have loved listening to you do your analysis vids, and I'm glad you're now able to do this on a second go-around instead of doing it off the cuff as a first reaction like at the start. I like that you've had the time to listen and gather your thoughts.
You also mentioned recs for future videos, and Starkid have released a longer version of VHS Christmas Carol, called VHS Christmas Carols. Might be a fun December video.
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