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The interesting thing about MPG and efficiency is that most people don't consider the overall cost. How much does the truck cost, first of all? If you are buying a $70k - $80k truck then, how much does gas really affect you percentage wise? Not really at all unless you drive all the time for work and your truck isn't just a groceries getter like most people. If you have an older vehicle or need to purchase a used vehicle, then it can matter more. If you are frugal looking at a used vehicle and you are on a tight budget, then, the cost of the truck still matters more than the fuel cost, but it can factor in. For example, a 2007 hemi I had got 12mpg and my '16 2.7 ecoboost which is way more powerful gets 21mpg. That is enough of a difference to affect the overall cost and monthly budget. People complain too much about an mpg here or there or an extra few dollars here and there when they bought a crazy expensive truck with a huge load of debt. Either way, I wish we could have another administration that will make us energy independent again. It was great.
Another factor is that buyers choose a vehicle way outside their frequent use cases and pay huge premiums for it. If you are towing 30,000lbs once per year or less and 8,000lbs semi-frequently. Get a smaller cheaper truck and hire a vehicle for the day.
1 mpg when you only get 6mpg is a 15% cost reduction or in other words 50$ a day.... If you worked 300 days a year(towing) that would be 15,000 savings in a year. My 1 ton f350 empty gets same mpg as your 2.7 btw lol
2020 Sierra Denali with a 6.2 14 mpg at 90 mph cruise going up from Laughlin to Victorville in a 40 mph headwind after extended time idling on the job site with a/c on
I would love to see the diesel 2500 series trucks run empty and see their mpg as well too. If you can. Mpg numbers for diesel trucks are hard to come by.
my 2020 sierra 2500 duramax gets 17- 18 in town around 20-21 on highway at 80mph. cummins 2500 i had got same in city about 21-22 on highway running 80. pulling a car haul trailer both get about 10-12 mpg on highway depending on 70-80 mph
Here's what I'm getting... 2022 Ford F350 Tremor Diesel 16500 miles, last I towed I averaged 11.8 running about 73mph Around town empty I get about 18-19. Hopefully it gets a little better as it breaks in.
Also I've deleted emissions on trucks with def urea and it does not improve mileage gets the same only pros are saving money from not buying def and options to add more power if desired. Now days newer trucks get decent fuel mileage and have plenty of power and torque. Although I do wish my duramax didn't have a speed limitor of 98 mph
@@aaritg4336 Andre said they got 15.8 in the Ram 6.4 but the correction was *15.4. But the Ford 7.3 was only 15.1 and they gave it 2nd place, where it should be third. GM 16.0 RAM 15.4 FORD 15.1
@@advancedscarecrow Yeah, on some parts of my commute I got 24 mpg. I've since lifted the truck and can get 19 mpg. Ford did a good job with the 2.7 IMHO
@@advancedscarecrow I just bought a 2016 f150 2.7l. 3.55 rear end. 4x4. Ext cab short bed. So far on straight flat highway at 65 mph I was getting 29mpg! That was about 40 miles worth of driving then stopped. Now around town I'm seeing 23.5mpg. You really have to have a light foot. But it's got plenty of torque so barely have to touch the pedal to get going. If you have a heavy foot and like to feel that power. It'll probably get around 19mpg around town from what I've heard so far, but to be determined.
@@davidlavery8336 I bought a 2018 2.7, 3.55 gear, super crew, 4x2 shortbed about a yr ago, so far getting 19.5 city, and that’s with a gentle foot. Haven’t done much highway driving but when I did go for a 60 mi drive it showed 27.5 at about 65 mph. And you are right about barely touching the pedal to get up to speed, it’s so easy to jack rabbit from a stop
@@paulhunter9613 yeah now that I've owned for a bit, the gas mileage is still really good. Straight heavy city driving and not being easy on it, and Not using the auto start stop. The worse I've seen was 16.7 hand calculated. But usually 17-18. A good highway average has been about 21-23mpg. But I have still seen it go up to around 28mpg and stay there on perfect conditions. So I'm still plenty happy with it.
Our local gasoline price is $3.74 per gallon. Diesel is $4.79 per gallon. My powerstroke no longer represents much of a fuel cost savings since the price difference eats up your mileage advantage. Best financial advice is keep using the truck you got until there are better ev or hybrid trucks available in a more stable marketplace. Or if you can get by without a truck then you can sell it and use some of the cash for a 40 mpg economy car. But swapping for a different truck that gets a little better mpg like the ones they recommend in this video would be a terrible idea financially.
It is hard to compare these short trips with diesels because whether or not they happen to do a regen cycle will drastically change fuel usage. Plus different days mean different air temperature and humidity and cooler and drier air is denser. There’s just not an easy way to do this.
I have doubts that the the tanks are refilled consistently to the same level using the auto shut off, and would have a lot more confidence in the results if the exact amount of fuel could be verified. I know the guys do their best to make it accurate, I just have doubts about the method used. To get a more accurate test all trucks should be tested at the same time, on a longer trip, and using a method to determine exactly how much fuel was used. On a short trip like this, an error of 1 or 2 pints of fuel will change the calculated MPG substantially. A longer trip such as a 200 hundred mile or more test would reduce the effects of fill up errors. Then there is weather and wind differences that can skew the results.
I owned several HD Suburbans and 2500 PU all 6.0 engine's. The 3.83 gearing is good cruising 18/19 to eastern Idaho CA. When towing 6,000 lbs etc mileage dropped to normal results for GM vehicles. Now truck had 4.11 gearing a little better for towing, but overall mileage when not towing was around 14/16 mpg.
These mpg test are great. You guys brought up a good point about semi-truck equivalent mpg, and since you guys are about truck and have featured med duty freightliners in the past it would be awesome if you guys started doing mpg test with class 8 semis as well. No one out there is doing these test with new semis.
I think just about everyone can agree that rams biggest downfall right now is the 6 speed. They need to get an 8 or 10 speed to help with that efficiency. When all 3 had 6 speeds, the cummins usually won the efficiency side of things
Why? 5th and 6th gear of the 68RFE is the same as 8th and 10th of the 10 speeds. Ram has a 3.73 rear end stock that used to be lower in the 18 and older models.
I had an 07 Freightliner Columbia that averaged 7.75 weekly MPG from 4/13/07 to 9/28/09 while it was limited to 68 Mph. The same truck got a more fluctuating weekly MPG of 6.7 to 7.1 from 9/28/09 to 4/24/12 while limited to 63 Mph. I drove four Cascadia's from 4/24/12 to 7/7/18 at the same company. The last Cascadia's limiter was raised to 65 on cruise and 68 for a five minutes if the throttle was blipped twice. The first three trucks returned an average of about 7.8 to 8.2, from Monday morning to the next, while limited to 63. The last after raising the speed did 8.5 to 8.7 MPG. My current truck does 65 at roughly 1370 or 1380 RPMs with a 505/1750 hp/torque DD15 and returns 7.5 average thanks to having no APU and an Espar that doesn't warm the engine while running. The company trucks did 65 at closer to 1300 RPMs with a 455 hp 1750 torque DD15. You can get away with 455 to 475 HP and 1750 to 1950 ft-lbs with class 8 trucks permitted for 36287 Kg loads. Horsepower allows the truck to climb grades and maintain speed longer, but it increases oil temperatures and EGTs faster if you fight the load.
I think the big three has plenty of work to do improving their heavy duty diesel mpg. A 2021freightliner Cascadia pulling 45000 + pounds routinely gets 7.8 mpg..
David did my test Driver trainer driving to California. The Trainer was sleeping not watching me ( that company was very bad) oversee new Drivers. The Trainer could care less if I got lost, he just wanted to get rest time. Anyway it was the first series Cascade that Frt. Liner came out with. Believe it or not it got 12 MPG then it dropped some times to like you said. There was lots of down hill, going into California from mountain in Oregon. But I was totally shocked. It got better than my Ford F-250 With 10 cylinder GAS.
You are talking about on the flat, not climbing the Ike, these diesel trucks in the flat will do much better on the flats or all around. Your truck going up the Ike loaded is going to be 3.5 to 4.5 mpg.
@@rp1645 Well it looks like they are transitioning to Hydrogen powered HDT's, so it will be interesting to what comes of that. Cummins has released an ICE engine that runs on Hydrogen. Others have Fuel Cell HDT's developed and being developed
You should really specify the axle ratios and trim levels when talking about these trucks. For instance, I have a 2021 Ram 2500 6.4, 3.73 rear, crew cab, long bed, 4wd Tradesman; it averages 15.5 but I’ve gotten 19 on road trips.
Yep Chevy Gas- 3.73 Chevy Diesel- 3.42 Ford Gas 6.2- 3.73 or 4.30 7.3- F-250 3.55 or 4.30 7.3- F-350 3.73 or 4.30 Ford Diesel- 3.31, 3.55, or a 4.30 in the dually Ram Gas- 3.73 or 4.10 Ram Diesel- 3.73 or 4.10 I have a 21 7.3 with the 3.55. In all the groups im in, the 3.55 or 4.30 all gets the same MPG, i like being under 2000 rpm, so i went 3.55 and ill tow in 8th. The 4.30 does 1900 at 65 mph in 10th which is what my 8th gear does You shouldnt tow in double or triple OD, so the 4.30 will a always be at a higher RPM towing the same load as the 3.55 and get the same MPG.
I'm on my 2nd PowerWagon. Had a 2019 and traded for a 2021 75th anniversary. The biggest difference in MPG(l/100 here in canada) was putting on M/T tires. My truck went down roughly by 2l(which was no real surprise and i knew that before) That said i had a Yakima rack in the back with roadshower, maxtraxx & co incl. Rooftop Tent and the truck didn't care at all incl. decked system. Now i have a leitner rack on it and the tent sits up higher(above the cabin) which makes 1l. difference. On road trips my average is 16.5-18l loaded with two hydropods(4.7 gallons each) and 2 water rotopax (2 gallons each) and the truck barely uses any more fuel. For the summer time I'm swapping from 35 M/T to 37 A/T which are 4.5 pounds lighter each tire which should shave off the litre i lost with the tent being higher. Long story short: The 6.4 can be driven super efficient - heads up the cruise control is super in-efficient so if its going up and down i turn it off and i can drive it better. On stock tires and no rack and rtt i had 14.5l. The 6.4 just needs a sensible foot and you are golden!
A variable not accounted for on the diesel mpg reported in this video is regen cycling. Other than when running an ECM monitor you really don’t know when the diesel is in regen mode on light duty trucks. The cadence of the engine while driving or idle rpm while stopped may be the only outward signs that regen is occurring. Regen cycles profoundly effect fuel economy.
You guys are the best out there! Hands down ! You do realistic towing. I wish you would do mpg towing with truck racks , back head ache racks n toolboxs towing stuff or without. Aftermarket tires the working truck would have, not the guy with the lift and clown wheels who drives around town not really using the truck. I have ram 3500,half rack, toolbox, 5th wheel at 15,500lbs gvw , or 20 foot flatbed i live in the mountains. When street tires wear I buy all terrain. That set up without trailer cost me 5 mpg example.
In the real world with my 2019 Ford F250 FX4 with a 6.2 gas engine all stock with Firestone tires on the OEM wheels I average 17mpg daily driving from home to work and 9mpg towing on the weekends, not to bad in my opinion for a heavy duty truck, my old 2002 Ford F250 2WD 7.3 powerstroke with a 6 speed manual averages 20mpg daily driving and 12mpg towing.
My former company truck was a 2011 or 12 f250 with the 6.2 and a service body. I calculated mpg’s a few times on longer highway trips & the best I ever managed with it was a little over 13 mpg. That was about a 50/50 mix of highway(55/60 mph) and interstate (70-75mph).
@@anthonygarland933 well it's true why would I lie? I just got back from vacation pulling my 18' enclosed trailer Louisiana to California and back hauling a YXZ cruise set at 70mph and got 9mpg with my 6.2, 45 mile round trip to work at 60mph and get 17mpg...why would I lie? 🤔
@@gregc9220 68 2002 7.3 powerstrokes. 5084 fuel ups. Total of 1.84 million miles. Combined average 13.4 mpg's. Simple search Not saying your a liar but those are the numbers across the board. Again simple search.
Something to remember too with the Flame Red RAM 3500 is that it is a high output 6.7. Cummins configure those to run a lower compression ratio to be able to increase the turbo boost pressures to produce more peak power and torque. That actually means you sacrifice fuel economy in at least two ways to make more power. For the same engine application, a higher compression ratio means higher efficiency, and lower means the opposite. But it's often done to give headroom for higher boost pressures without risking blown head gaskets and the like. If you do the same task in a standard output 6.7 you will no doubt see better fuel economy figures, and especially so if you run a de-tuned 6.7 for commercial use that they put in the 4500-5500 RAM trucks.
Fuel started going up a year ago. Just went up a little bit more but it has been going up all along make no mistake about it. You get what you vote for. No tweets but plenty of other things. What would you rather have.
Just picked up a 2008 duramax with 200k miles on it. 22usmpg bone stock at 70mph on winter diesel. Just got an EFILive tune, fully deleted, 4" straight pipe. Can't wait to see the results. Tow test will be 12k lbs of dump trailer and skidsteer
Wait a minute... I am confused. The Ram going over 1000 miles with a "load" gets 15.4 mpg comes in third to the Ford which gets 15.1 in the 66 mile loop unloaded? How is this? Last time I checked 15.4 is better than 15.1. Ram should be in 2nd and clearly the Chevy won that battle. Unladen I believe the Ram would match the Chevy in the 66 mile loop. Obviously that is speculation due to he fact of not having numbers.
Thank you for doing this. It's hard to find any info on mpgs on the super duty trucks. I'm trying to decide between purchasing an F550 or a Ram 5500 and fuel economy is a consideration in my decision. A couple of extra mpgs makes a big difference in the long run. Can share what the gear ratios were in the trucks tested as there are numerous options available for each truck. That makes a difference on fuel economy so I'm curious if this is an apples to apples comparison.
Can you do a comparison of mpg while towing between the most fuel efficient gas and the most fuel efficient diesel truck pulling the same (as heavy as possible) trailer?
As someone said on a forum I follow: you’re not buying a truck because of its mileage, lol! But still a great video and certainly something to add to one’s decision : for trucks or similar capability and cost, mileage could be a decider. But having read lots of comments online from truck users of identical builds, i feel it depends MOST on the driver and the daily usage - how heavy is your foot? Haha!
Ram really needs to get their heads out of their keisters and get an actual good 8/10 speed transmission in their HD trucks they have been using the same ineffective junky 6 speed since 2007 with it's gross gear ratios the Cummins would really shine with 10+ gears like most semis
I agree. I have the 6.7 Cummins with 3.73 gear ratio. My fuel mileage is almost always in the mid teens but some people who have deleted the EPA required emission control stuff will get in the low twenties. I have issues with the regen cycle and the filter located on top of the engine.
So the ford and chevy received a 66 mile loop that is the same fare run but the ram goes cross country on a 1000+ mile run, most likely not a very fare comparison. Or have you had the ram 2500 gas out on your 66 mile loop. As for my truck a 2020 ram 3500 crew cab long bed 6.7 cummins, depending on how i drive in town around 15 mpg but currently I think it is at 16.3 or 16.4 mph. That's maybe 70% in town and 30% freeway. Like your videos and thank you guys
11:10 The Chevy got better miles per gallon for one reason it uses GDI. For heavy duty truck I believe port injection is preferable it doesn’t clog up intake valves down the road and the idle quality is a lot better. This fuel mileage will come a cost down the road.The output of the Chevy is only low compared to the Ram , The Ford has 30 more horsepower but it also has 45 more cubic inches so it’s not working any harder than the Chevy.
I watch your guys videos for sum time now and thanks to all your reviews and tests I ordered a 2022 ford f250 super duty lariat sport 4x4 with the 7.3l godzilla
Also I towed much heavier than you did with my new 2022 gmc denali and as low as I could get it was 7.7 on a substantial trip. Didn't know anyone could do worse than me. Lol
What I want to know is - based on my usage, how many miles would it take to pay off that diesel - using both current and 20 year average prices. From what I can tell, it's about 200,000 miles at 20 year averages and not going to happen at current prices... But I don't have trucks to test. In my case, a 1 ton is probably overkill, but I'd love to see laden and unladen highway efficiency of the 3/4 ton diesel and gas trucks.
Do yourself a favor do not let that engine idle any longer than you have to.It’s a very strong engine but they don’t last long when Idling a lot .The oil pressure and low engine speed seem to be causing the camshaft and lifters to starve for oil the needle bearings drop out of the roller lifter,Usually the first thing you notice is a check engine light for a misfire. By that time it’s too late. This usually happens between 75 and 125,000 miles depending on how much you idol. If you change your oil often and don’t idle it may never happen. Otherwise love those Hemis.
Do you know what the axel ratios were on the duallys? I know the Ram you guys tested had 4.10s, and I love mine but wondering what 3.73s would have done with the HO Cummins... I think Ford offers the power stroke duallys with an option for 3.50s
Well from all the tow tests you have done with electric vehicles, I’m surprised you put the hummer in the running for best mpg. Anyone who is towing something heavy isn’t using electric since you have to wait hours assuming your on a fast charger. Remember the Tesla tow trip, it got a fraction of it’s rated distance. And almost got you stranded within a mile left if I recall. Electric trucks aren’t in the same league as diesel for towing.
Gas prices are insane my dad spent $80 on 20 gallons of gas. I hate the thought of filling up my truck. Especially since it has a 460 big block,4.56 gears and 35's. Plus I have to fill up 2 19 gallon tanks.
Thanks guys, based on the relatively small MPG spread between the “Big 3” I’m staying with which truck delivers the most value, is quiet and dependable. Hint: it’s a four letter word. Again, TFL delivers what’s needed to make good decisions in a very dynamic market.
Doing some quick math, the difference between 15mpg and 16 mpg over the course of 15,000 miles is a little over 60 gallons of fuel annually. MPG is an interesting statistic but if you are buying a HD truck, I hope MPG is not the primary factor. There are too many variables that could change the results and if you need the power, you are going to have to accept the cost!
All depends on the individual. If all other aspects are equal or inconsequential, fuel economy may be a factor (certainly more so if someone operates a fleet of vehicles causing the expense to compound with every additional vehicle).
The transmission of the Ram (diesel) is what hurts the mpg. The Aisin transmission is amazing, but it does lack the mpg since it only has 6 gears compared to Ford’s 10 speed.
There was no mention of the dreaded DPF on the diesel loops. Was there Re-Gen?. What was the state of the filter at the start in regards to % of life before regen. I realize these are tests done in the past and none of these questions may have answers Could you do forced regens before testing, to take the DPF out of the equation for diesel MPG loops? Or, if available, report the DPF status?
good Job Guys , but I was hoping to see the Diesel F250 MPG either loaded or Empty maybe you could do that sometime in the future. Should be better than the heavy 1 ton trucks. I will say my 2020 6.7L F250 beats those numbers with my commutes.
You guys towed the F350 at night, cooler air, better fuel milage. Yes one mpg is not much but the results may be different if towed during the day time. You guys are great thanks for all the videos keep up the work.
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Don’t get me wrong, I Love Fords! BUT, what rear end gearing did you have in those trucks? Was it about the same in all three? Second, did the same person do the driving in all three trucks?
I'm going to make this very clear if I buy a 23 truck. I wanted to be Ram 2500 layer me addition, because that means it's a good foundation truck. Also, the 2023 Ram Laramie pick up truck gets 22 miles per gallon. If Ford still wishes to hold his number one spot, I dare it to beat that.
You guys need to tow the same weight for 1000 miles. A 50 mile loop is basically useless for a towing test.I routinely tow a trailer with approximately 24-27k with a 2017 Ram 3500 Cummins. 10-12 mpg.
You guys are so well established, it is time to get the proper equipment to do MPG tests. I would really like to see a more scientific method integrated into your tests.
No reason to. Unless your driving at the same elevation in the same weather at the same temperature with the exact same truck that they do their testing in at the same speeds with same driving style, yours will be different. They give a ball park number which is more than sufficient to make a decision off of.
@@WhoThisGuy515 there is absolutely reason to. Especially with gas and diesel prices the way they are. At $5.50 to $7.00 a gallon every tenth counts. There is also the question of consistency, it takes the possibility for massive error out of the equation. Think F-150 PowerBoost… At one point the pump was trying to tell them they were getting more than 30mpg. Eliminating those errors levels the playing field in an unequivocal fashion. Every tank vents differently… Why not eliminate the possible errors.
I have a 2023 Chevy 2500HD 6.6L gas, it makes just over 400HP and pulls our 18' dual axle equipment trailer just fine. I don't tow enough to warrant the $10K upgrade to a Duramax. I am impressed with this new truck, it rides better than the 2017 model I used to have. My truck is pretty much empty 85% of the time, so gas just makes more sense. I am not at all impressed with these new EV pickups, they look great on paper...until you connect a 10,000# trailer to the back and then the batteries get drained almost instantly....we have a long way to go before construction folks will b able to convert to EV safely.
Why compare maxed out diesel towing miles per gallon to unloaded gas towing miles per gallon? What are the unloaded miles per gallons of those diesels? You guys are usually more thorough than this.
The diesels are more expensive but at least with me they get better gas mileage empty. I had a 2019 F350 with the 6spd and i was getting around 18mph empty on the highway cruising around 70mph.
Speaking of Diesel It's a mistake that Toyota don't have at least one reliable option. Lots of people I know would've get it for the business that needs heavy towing often. Heck even the Hilux would've been a great option for lawn care,gardening guys and other tradesmen
What else can they do besides transmission .New tech always add the possibility of unreliable new tech and in this class being more powerful is not going to change a brand loyal guy so what would you do too be more efficient
@@christopherbrown1391 6.7 is a great engine but is 15 years old and although great power for most.. Isn't keeping up with Ford. The gas engine is where I'd like to see Ram innovate towards.. i.e. the 7.3 pushrod, tons of low end torque
@@TaigaTurf I thought the 6.7 got a new block and now has the most torque not horsepower also the 6.4 could be upgraded but how will going bigger be more efficient
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Please test a 2001 dodge ram 2500 or 3500 with the 8.0 litre magnum v10 if you can find in good shape and see what there mpg can do plus towing
They didn't test a 2023 same 3 title defenders and ram should take the win for first place
The interesting thing about MPG and efficiency is that most people don't consider the overall cost. How much does the truck cost, first of all? If you are buying a $70k - $80k truck then, how much does gas really affect you percentage wise? Not really at all unless you drive all the time for work and your truck isn't just a groceries getter like most people. If you have an older vehicle or need to purchase a used vehicle, then it can matter more. If you are frugal looking at a used vehicle and you are on a tight budget, then, the cost of the truck still matters more than the fuel cost, but it can factor in. For example, a 2007 hemi I had got 12mpg and my '16 2.7 ecoboost which is way more powerful gets 21mpg. That is enough of a difference to affect the overall cost and monthly budget. People complain too much about an mpg here or there or an extra few dollars here and there when they bought a crazy expensive truck with a huge load of debt. Either way, I wish we could have another administration that will make us energy independent again. It was great.
David concur !
Another factor is that buyers choose a vehicle way outside their frequent use cases and pay huge premiums for it. If you are towing 30,000lbs once per year or less and 8,000lbs semi-frequently. Get a smaller cheaper truck and hire a vehicle for the day.
1 mpg when you only get 6mpg is a 15% cost reduction or in other words 50$ a day.... If you worked 300 days a year(towing) that would be 15,000 savings in a year.
My 1 ton f350 empty gets same mpg as your 2.7 btw lol
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I have a 2017 Ram 3500 6.7 HO Longhorn Laramie Megacab. 3.73 gears. 24,700 max tow. Pulling 19,000lb DRV 5 wheel at 65 gets 11-12 mpg flat ground no wind. Bucking strong headwind average 9@ mpg. 8400 lb Truck unloaded flat ground gets anywhere between 18-20 mpg going 75 mph. Really great truck.
2020 Sierra Denali with a 6.2 14 mpg at 90 mph cruise going up from Laughlin to Victorville in a 40 mph headwind after extended time idling on the job site with a/c on
Your correct.
These guys measured it in the break in period. diesel MPG keeps getting better
Now you guys are talking. This is for the guys that have no choice but to pull equipment from job to job day to day Thanks for putting this together
I would love to see the diesel 2500 series trucks run empty and see their mpg as well too. If you can. Mpg numbers for diesel trucks are hard to come by.
That’s what I hoping this video was I’m trying to make a decision on what I want and it all comes down to which one gets the best mileage
my 2020 sierra 2500 duramax gets 17- 18 in town around 20-21 on highway at 80mph. cummins 2500 i had got same in city about 21-22 on highway running 80. pulling a car haul trailer both get about 10-12 mpg on highway depending on 70-80 mph
@@shawnh9677 sounds like these new trucks are finally getting to the point where there are approaching the pre-emissions (07) mpg. Good to hear.
Here's what I'm getting...
2022 Ford F350 Tremor Diesel
16500 miles, last I towed I averaged 11.8 running about 73mph
Around town empty I get about 18-19.
Hopefully it gets a little better as it breaks in.
Also I've deleted emissions on trucks with def urea and it does not improve mileage gets the same only pros are saving money from not buying def and options to add more power if desired. Now days newer trucks get decent fuel mileage and have plenty of power and torque. Although I do wish my duramax didn't have a speed limitor of 98 mph
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The Ram 2500 gas had 15.4 mpg but you put it last behind the F250 gas 15.1. The Ford gasser should be last.
Think that’s Audre’s Ford fanboy showing.
they said the wrong number for the Ram
@@aaritg4336 Andre said they got 15.8 in the Ram 6.4 but the correction was *15.4. But the Ford 7.3 was only 15.1 and they gave it 2nd place, where it should be third.
GM 16.0
RAM 15.4
FORD 15.1
Yeah the Ford 7.3 should be last if it got 15.1 and the Ram 6.4 got 15.4. They got them backwards.
Whole liter of displacement more for the Ford and the ram just got .3 better mpg
Your guys' test of the 2015 F-150's mileage helped influence my decision to buy one. Thank you for your entertaining research.
What motor 2.7?
@@advancedscarecrow Yeah, on some parts of my commute I got 24 mpg. I've since lifted the truck and can get 19 mpg. Ford did a good job with the 2.7 IMHO
@@advancedscarecrow I just bought a 2016 f150 2.7l. 3.55 rear end. 4x4. Ext cab short bed. So far on straight flat highway at 65 mph I was getting 29mpg! That was about 40 miles worth of driving then stopped. Now around town I'm seeing 23.5mpg. You really have to have a light foot. But it's got plenty of torque so barely have to touch the pedal to get going. If you have a heavy foot and like to feel that power. It'll probably get around 19mpg around town from what I've heard so far, but to be determined.
@@davidlavery8336 I bought a 2018 2.7, 3.55 gear, super crew, 4x2 shortbed about a yr ago, so far getting 19.5 city, and that’s with a gentle foot.
Haven’t done much highway driving but when I did go for a 60 mi drive it showed 27.5 at about 65 mph. And you are right about barely touching the pedal to get up to speed, it’s so easy to jack rabbit from a stop
@@paulhunter9613 yeah now that I've owned for a bit, the gas mileage is still really good. Straight heavy city driving and not being easy on it, and Not using the auto start stop. The worse I've seen was 16.7 hand calculated. But usually 17-18. A good highway average has been about 21-23mpg. But I have still seen it go up to around 28mpg and stay there on perfect conditions. So I'm still plenty happy with it.
Our local gasoline price is $3.74 per gallon. Diesel is $4.79 per gallon. My powerstroke no longer represents much of a fuel cost savings since the price difference eats up your mileage advantage. Best financial advice is keep using the truck you got until there are better ev or hybrid trucks available in a more stable marketplace. Or if you can get by without a truck then you can sell it and use some of the cash for a 40 mpg economy car. But swapping for a different truck that gets a little better mpg like the ones they recommend in this video would be a terrible idea financially.
Don’t forget to add blue pisswater to cost of diesel!
@@michaelbassett5105 Good point. I miss the old days when diesel was less than gas.
GM needs to put a 10 speed behind the 6.6l gas engine.
GM vehicles are garbage
@@toddbob55 gm trucks are good for the most part. The cars not so much.
You drove the ford at night, so colder outside air for the intake and inter cooler makes a world of difference… so many variables!
Cooler air also plays with the aerodynamics. Colder air technically has more drag than warmer air
I'm curious about the numbers on the F350 with 6.2 and the 10 speed transmission
It is hard to compare these short trips with diesels because whether or not they happen to do a regen cycle will drastically change fuel usage. Plus different days mean different air temperature and humidity and cooler and drier air is denser. There’s just not an easy way to do this.
I have doubts that the the tanks are refilled consistently to the same level using the auto shut off, and would have a lot more confidence in the results if the exact amount of fuel could be verified. I know the guys do their best to make it accurate, I just have doubts about the method used.
To get a more accurate test all trucks should be tested at the same time, on a longer trip, and using a method to determine exactly how much fuel was used. On a short trip like this, an error of 1 or 2 pints of fuel will change the calculated MPG substantially. A longer trip such as a 200 hundred mile or more test would reduce the effects of fill up errors. Then there is weather and wind differences that can skew the results.
I owned several HD Suburbans and 2500 PU all 6.0 engine's. The 3.83 gearing is good cruising 18/19 to eastern Idaho CA. When towing 6,000 lbs etc mileage dropped to normal results for GM vehicles.
Now truck had 4.11 gearing a little better for towing, but overall mileage when not towing was around 14/16 mpg.
GM vehicles are garbage
the gas HDs get better mpg than my 21 Tundra 😐
Tundras drink gas. I read the late 22's go to a v6 less power but around 19 - 20 mpg's. Still not that good.
These mpg test are great. You guys brought up a good point about semi-truck equivalent mpg, and since you guys are about truck and have featured med duty freightliners in the past it would be awesome if you guys started doing mpg test with class 8 semis as well. No one out there is doing these test with new semis.
I'd like to see the 3/4 ton diesel unloaded for mpg on the Hudson loop
I think just about everyone can agree that rams biggest downfall right now is the 6 speed. They need to get an 8 or 10 speed to help with that efficiency. When all 3 had 6 speeds, the cummins usually won the efficiency side of things
Why? 5th and 6th gear of the 68RFE is the same as 8th and 10th of the 10 speeds. Ram has a 3.73 rear end stock that used to be lower in the 18 and older models.
I had an 07 Freightliner Columbia that averaged 7.75 weekly MPG from 4/13/07 to 9/28/09 while it was limited to 68 Mph. The same truck got a more fluctuating weekly MPG of 6.7 to 7.1 from 9/28/09 to 4/24/12 while limited to 63 Mph. I drove four Cascadia's from 4/24/12 to 7/7/18 at the same company. The last Cascadia's limiter was raised to 65 on cruise and 68 for a five minutes if the throttle was blipped twice. The first three trucks returned an average of about 7.8 to 8.2, from Monday morning to the next, while limited to 63. The last after raising the speed did 8.5 to 8.7 MPG.
My current truck does 65 at roughly 1370 or 1380 RPMs with a 505/1750 hp/torque DD15 and returns 7.5 average thanks to having no APU and an Espar that doesn't warm the engine while running. The company trucks did 65 at closer to 1300 RPMs with a 455 hp 1750 torque DD15. You can get away with 455 to 475 HP and 1750 to 1950 ft-lbs with class 8 trucks permitted for 36287 Kg loads. Horsepower allows the truck to climb grades and maintain speed longer, but it increases oil temperatures and EGTs faster if you fight the load.
You are correct.
I think the big three has plenty of work to do improving their heavy duty diesel mpg. A 2021freightliner Cascadia pulling 45000 + pounds routinely gets 7.8 mpg..
David did my test Driver trainer driving to California. The Trainer was sleeping not watching me ( that company was very bad) oversee new Drivers. The Trainer could care less if I got lost, he just wanted to get rest time. Anyway it was the first series Cascade that Frt.
Liner came out with. Believe it or not it got 12 MPG then it dropped some times to like you said. There was lots of down hill, going into California from mountain in Oregon. But I was totally shocked. It got better than my Ford F-250
With 10 cylinder GAS.
You are talking about on the flat, not climbing the Ike, these diesel trucks in the flat will do much better on the flats or all around. Your truck going up the Ike loaded is going to be 3.5 to 4.5 mpg.
@@rp1645 It appears that the manufacturers can do a lot better with getting better fuel mileage
@@robertryan7204
What is your opinion if you where with Engineers in the puzzle palace. What would you tell them to do. No limits to your input.
@@rp1645 Well it looks like they are transitioning to Hydrogen powered HDT's, so it will be interesting to what comes of that. Cummins has released an ICE engine that runs on Hydrogen. Others have Fuel Cell HDT's developed and being developed
Thanks guys. I’m shopping for a 3500 gasser and this was helpful for sure.
You should really specify the axle ratios and trim levels when talking about these trucks. For instance, I have a 2021 Ram 2500 6.4, 3.73 rear, crew cab, long bed, 4wd Tradesman; it averages 15.5 but I’ve gotten 19 on road trips.
Yep
Chevy Gas- 3.73
Chevy Diesel- 3.42
Ford Gas
6.2- 3.73 or 4.30
7.3- F-250 3.55 or 4.30
7.3- F-350 3.73 or 4.30
Ford Diesel- 3.31, 3.55, or a 4.30 in the dually
Ram Gas- 3.73 or 4.10
Ram Diesel- 3.73 or 4.10
I have a 21 7.3 with the 3.55. In all the groups im in, the 3.55 or 4.30 all gets the same MPG, i like being under 2000 rpm, so i went 3.55 and ill tow in 8th. The 4.30 does 1900 at 65 mph in 10th which is what my 8th gear does
You shouldnt tow in double or triple OD, so the 4.30 will a always be at a higher RPM towing the same load as the 3.55 and get the same MPG.
I'm on my 2nd PowerWagon. Had a 2019 and traded for a 2021 75th anniversary. The biggest difference in MPG(l/100 here in canada) was putting on M/T tires. My truck went down roughly by 2l(which was no real surprise and i knew that before) That said i had a Yakima rack in the back with roadshower, maxtraxx & co incl. Rooftop Tent and the truck didn't care at all incl. decked system. Now i have a leitner rack on it and the tent sits up higher(above the cabin) which makes 1l. difference. On road trips my average is 16.5-18l loaded with two hydropods(4.7 gallons each) and 2 water rotopax (2 gallons each) and the truck barely uses any more fuel. For the summer time I'm swapping from 35 M/T to 37 A/T which are 4.5 pounds lighter each tire which should shave off the litre i lost with the tent being higher. Long story short: The 6.4 can be driven super efficient - heads up the cruise control is super in-efficient so if its going up and down i turn it off and i can drive it better. On stock tires and no rack and rtt i had 14.5l. The 6.4 just needs a sensible foot and you are golden!
A variable not accounted for on the diesel mpg reported in this video is regen cycling. Other than when running an ECM monitor you really don’t know when the diesel is in regen mode on light duty trucks. The cadence of the engine while driving or idle rpm while stopped may be the only outward signs that regen is occurring. Regen cycles profoundly effect fuel economy.
You guys are the best out there! Hands down !
You do realistic towing.
I wish you would do mpg towing with truck racks , back head ache racks n toolboxs towing stuff or without. Aftermarket tires the working truck would have, not the guy with the lift and clown wheels who drives around town not really using the truck.
I have ram 3500,half rack, toolbox, 5th wheel at 15,500lbs gvw , or 20 foot flatbed i live in the mountains. When street tires wear I buy all terrain. That set up without trailer cost me 5 mpg example.
In the real world with my 2019 Ford F250 FX4 with a 6.2 gas engine all stock with Firestone tires on the OEM wheels I average 17mpg daily driving from home to work and 9mpg towing on the weekends, not to bad in my opinion for a heavy duty truck, my old 2002 Ford F250 2WD 7.3 powerstroke with a 6 speed manual averages 20mpg daily driving and 12mpg towing.
My former company truck was a 2011 or 12 f250 with the 6.2 and a service body. I calculated mpg’s a few times on longer highway trips & the best I ever managed with it was a little over 13 mpg. That was about a 50/50 mix of highway(55/60 mph) and interstate (70-75mph).
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@@anthonygarland933 well it's true why would I lie? I just got back from vacation pulling my 18' enclosed trailer Louisiana to California and back hauling a YXZ cruise set at 70mph and got 9mpg with my 6.2, 45 mile round trip to work at 60mph and get 17mpg...why would I lie? 🤔
@@gregc9220 68 2002 7.3 powerstrokes. 5084 fuel ups. Total of 1.84 million miles. Combined average 13.4 mpg's. Simple search
Not saying your a liar but those are the numbers across the board. Again simple search.
what were the rear axle ratios for all three trucks?
Something to remember too with the Flame Red RAM 3500 is that it is a high output 6.7. Cummins configure those to run a lower compression ratio to be able to increase the turbo boost pressures to produce more peak power and torque. That actually means you sacrifice fuel economy in at least two ways to make more power. For the same engine application, a higher compression ratio means higher efficiency, and lower means the opposite. But it's often done to give headroom for higher boost pressures without risking blown head gaskets and the like. If you do the same task in a standard output 6.7 you will no doubt see better fuel economy figures, and especially so if you run a de-tuned 6.7 for commercial use that they put in the 4500-5500 RAM trucks.
Again congratulations on the tumbleweed, I can't wait for the testing to begin but until I'm sure I'll enjoy watching it come together.
Fuel started going up a year ago. Just went up a little bit more but it has been going up all along make no mistake about it. You get what you vote for. No tweets but plenty of other things. What would you rather have.
Just picked up a 2008 duramax with 200k miles on it.
22usmpg bone stock at 70mph on winter diesel. Just got an EFILive tune, fully deleted, 4" straight pipe. Can't wait to see the results.
Tow test will be 12k lbs of dump trailer and skidsteer
Who buys GM products? they are complete Garbage
@@toddbob55 Well, didn't think I'd find the most idiotic comment of 2022 so soon, but there you have it! Your reward is in the mail
Wait a minute... I am confused. The Ram going over 1000 miles with a "load" gets 15.4 mpg comes in third to the Ford which gets 15.1 in the 66 mile loop unloaded? How is this? Last time I checked 15.4 is better than 15.1. Ram should be in 2nd and clearly the Chevy won that battle. Unladen I believe the Ram would match the Chevy in the 66 mile loop. Obviously that is speculation due to he fact of not having numbers.
Can u run the Diesel Sprinter dually and single 3500 and 2500 as they can be flatbed pickups as well
We need Diesel MPG EMPTY w/ SRW and DRW comparison added to this! Great video as always.
Thank you for doing this. It's hard to find any info on mpgs on the super duty trucks. I'm trying to decide between purchasing an F550 or a Ram 5500 and fuel economy is a consideration in my decision. A couple of extra mpgs makes a big difference in the long run.
Can share what the gear ratios were in the trucks tested as there are numerous options available for each truck. That makes a difference on fuel economy so I'm curious if this is an apples to apples comparison.
Can you do a comparison of mpg while towing between the most fuel efficient gas and the most fuel efficient diesel truck pulling the same (as heavy as possible) trailer?
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As someone said on a forum I follow: you’re not buying a truck because of its mileage, lol!
But still a great video and certainly something to add to one’s decision : for trucks or similar capability and cost, mileage could be a decider. But having read lots of comments online from truck users of identical builds, i feel it depends MOST on the driver and the daily usage - how heavy is your foot? Haha!
Only stupid people don't pay attention to fuel economy of their work vehicle. I bet I know who they voted for
How much mileage do your trucks have on them when you do the mpg tests? We have two diesel sprinters whose mpg improved significantly after +\- 20k.
i wonder how the transmissions hold up between the three heavys, that seems to be the week link nowadays
Well the Ford 10 speed is made by Borg Warner, and after making the forward clutch housings for many years they are built very beefy.
Ram really needs to get their heads out of their keisters and get an actual good 8/10 speed transmission in their HD trucks they have been using the same ineffective junky 6 speed since 2007 with it's gross gear ratios the Cummins would really shine with 10+ gears like most semis
I agree. I have the 6.7 Cummins with 3.73 gear ratio. My fuel mileage is almost always in the mid teens but some people who have deleted the EPA required emission control stuff will get in the low twenties. I have issues with the regen cycle and the filter located on top of the engine.
Can you do a non dually 3500 HD for both gas and diesel for the people that doesn’t have the money for a dually
A dually doesn't cost that much more.
They'll be exactly the same
My last 5 trucks the dually is about 500 more. My dually does take a hit in mileage from my single wheels. About 1-2 mpg.
GM vehicles are garbage
Great info! I'd love to see mpg gas vs diesel head to head towing the same load.
The checker sound board not lining up was a huge distraction haha 😂
So the ford and chevy received a 66 mile loop that is the same fare run but the ram goes cross country on a 1000+ mile run, most likely not a very fare comparison. Or have you had the ram 2500 gas out on your 66 mile loop. As for my truck a 2020 ram 3500 crew cab long bed 6.7 cummins, depending on how i drive in town around 15 mpg but currently I think it is at 16.3 or 16.4 mph. That's maybe 70% in town and 30% freeway. Like your videos and thank you guys
11:10 The Chevy got better miles per gallon for one reason it uses GDI. For heavy duty truck I believe port injection is preferable it doesn’t clog up intake valves down the road and the idle quality is a lot better. This fuel mileage will come a cost down the road.The output of the Chevy is only low compared to the Ram , The Ford has 30 more horsepower but it also has 45 more cubic inches so it’s not working any harder than the Chevy.
That’s the great thing with the ford ecoboost engines, they have GDI and port injection
I watch your guys videos for sum time now and thanks to all your reviews and tests I ordered a 2022 ford f250 super duty lariat sport 4x4 with the 7.3l godzilla
Also I towed much heavier than you did with my new 2022 gmc denali and as low as I could get it was 7.7 on a substantial trip. Didn't know anyone could do worse than me. Lol
What I want to know is - based on my usage, how many miles would it take to pay off that diesel - using both current and 20 year average prices. From what I can tell, it's about 200,000 miles at 20 year averages and not going to happen at current prices... But I don't have trucks to test. In my case, a 1 ton is probably overkill, but I'd love to see laden and unladen highway efficiency of the 3/4 ton diesel and gas trucks.
I towed professionally with a duramax for one year and a power stroke for one year and the duramax consistently got 1-2 mpg better
Just got a hemi ram last year. 13pmg... Pricey!
Do yourself a favor do not let that engine idle any longer than you have to.It’s a very strong engine but they don’t last long when Idling a lot .The oil pressure and low engine speed seem to be causing the camshaft and lifters to starve for oil the needle bearings drop out of the roller lifter,Usually the first thing you notice is a check engine light for a misfire. By that time it’s too late. This usually happens between 75 and 125,000 miles depending on how much you idol. If you change your oil often and don’t idle it may never happen. Otherwise love those Hemis.
@@JohnDiMartino thanks brother! Will do. That makes sense
Hummer EV sold one so far. They have more for sale now but dealerships have them marked up to $322,000 bucks
Do you know what the axel ratios were on the duallys? I know the Ram you guys tested had 4.10s, and I love mine but wondering what 3.73s would have done with the HO Cummins... I think Ford offers the power stroke duallys with an option for 3.50s
it's so weird that so many people care so much about final drive ratios but never talk about transmission ratios.
@@jeffhall768 final drive is an option you can order, transmission isn't something you have a choice of
You guys need to do the 2500 gas vs diesel. More people have the 2500's than the 3500 duallys
Well from all the tow tests you have done with electric vehicles, I’m surprised you put the hummer in the running for best mpg. Anyone who is towing something heavy isn’t using electric since you have to wait hours assuming your on a fast charger. Remember the Tesla tow trip, it got a fraction of it’s rated distance. And almost got you stranded within a mile left if I recall. Electric trucks aren’t in the same league as diesel for towing.
What is the gear ratio of each makes a difference in mpg
Gas prices are insane my dad spent $80 on 20 gallons of gas. I hate the thought of filling up my truck. Especially since it has a 460 big block,4.56 gears and 35's. Plus I have to fill up 2 19 gallon tanks.
Should've thought about fuel consumption when gas was cheap. My truck is a weekend toy and I have a commuter bike any reasonable enthusiast.
@@dingusflingus I did I just liked the truck so I bought it
Thanks guys, based on the relatively small MPG spread between the “Big 3” I’m staying with which truck delivers the most value, is quiet and dependable. Hint: it’s a four letter word. Again, TFL delivers what’s needed to make good decisions in a very dynamic market.
Ford is #1
Chevy
Doing some quick math, the difference between 15mpg and 16 mpg over the course of 15,000 miles is a little over 60 gallons of fuel annually. MPG is an interesting statistic but if you are buying a HD truck, I hope MPG is not the primary factor. There are too many variables that could change the results and if you need the power, you are going to have to accept the cost!
All depends on the individual. If all other aspects are equal or inconsequential, fuel economy may be a factor (certainly more so if someone operates a fleet of vehicles causing the expense to compound with every additional vehicle).
Was each truck driven at the same speed, same wind conditions, same traffic conditions and weather conditions? If not the results are skewed.
The transmission of the Ram (diesel) is what hurts the mpg. The Aisin transmission is amazing, but it does lack the mpg since it only has 6 gears compared to Ford’s 10 speed.
I'm still take the ram because of the Cummins longevity in durability
There was no mention of the dreaded DPF on the diesel loops. Was there Re-Gen?. What was the state of the filter at the start in regards to % of life before regen. I realize these are tests done in the past and none of these questions may have answers
Could you do forced regens before testing, to take the DPF out of the equation for diesel MPG loops?
Or, if available, report the DPF status?
good Job Guys , but I was hoping to see the Diesel F250 MPG either loaded or Empty maybe you could do that sometime in the future. Should be better than the heavy 1 ton trucks. I will say my 2020 6.7L F250 beats those numbers with my commutes.
You guys towed the F350 at night, cooler air, better fuel milage. Yes one mpg is not much but the results may be different if towed during the day time. You guys are great thanks for all the videos keep up the work.
Actually the pcm will see lower air intake temps Wich means denser air. So the pcm will use more fuel to maintain the designated air fuel targets
Diesel is $2.29 per litre in QLD Australia at the moment. Normally around $1.60 per litre.
Getting close to that here in canada, over $2/L now. Was 1.40 not that long ago.
how did the smaller Ford engine option compare (gas)
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I read in a few places the Cummins diesel trucks improve MPG after they get broken in towing heavy loads for 100,000 miles. Any truth to that?
Yeah. Dad and I get mid twenties on highway, used to be high teens. 2012 Ram 2500 with 160,000 on it.
I think all the diesels are like that. My 2019 F250 at 20k miles was a completely different truck than it was new, both in the butt dyno and MPG
Don’t get me wrong, I Love Fords! BUT, what rear end gearing did you have in those trucks? Was it about the same in all three? Second, did the same person do the driving in all three trucks?
I would like to see a reincarnation of a 5.9 Cummins that is the same as the previous years 5.9s but meets the emissions
Where does the XD titan fit in this comparison?
I wonder what axles were on these trucks.
We pay 8.93 usd per gallon in Sweden /Europe right now..... It sucks bigtime.....
Good God that would be almost $450 to fill the tank on my truck 😬
@@The_Angry_Medic Yes... its totaly crazy.. Diesel is even more expencive.... :-(
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I'm going to make this very clear if I buy a 23 truck. I wanted to be Ram 2500 layer me addition, because that means it's a good foundation truck. Also, the 2023 Ram Laramie pick up truck gets 22 miles per gallon. If Ford still wishes to hold his number one spot, I dare it to beat that.
What about the 6.2 V8 F-250??? Better or worse than the 7.3 ??
You guys need to tow the same weight for 1000 miles. A 50 mile loop is basically useless for a towing test.I routinely tow a trailer with approximately 24-27k with a 2017 Ram 3500 Cummins. 10-12 mpg.
You guys are so well established, it is time to get the proper equipment to do MPG tests. I would really like to see a more scientific method integrated into your tests.
Yes agree
No reason to. Unless your driving at the same elevation in the same weather at the same temperature with the exact same truck that they do their testing in at the same speeds with same driving style, yours will be different. They give a ball park number which is more than sufficient to make a decision off of.
@@WhoThisGuy515 there is absolutely reason to. Especially with gas and diesel prices the way they are. At $5.50 to $7.00 a gallon every tenth counts. There is also the question of consistency, it takes the possibility for massive error out of the equation. Think F-150 PowerBoost… At one point the pump was trying to tell them they were getting more than 30mpg. Eliminating those errors levels the playing field in an unequivocal fashion. Every tank vents differently… Why not eliminate the possible errors.
Your Correct
I have a 2023 Chevy 2500HD 6.6L gas, it makes just over 400HP and pulls our 18' dual axle equipment trailer just fine. I don't tow enough to warrant the $10K upgrade to a Duramax. I am impressed with this new truck, it rides better than the 2017 model I used to have. My truck is pretty much empty 85% of the time, so gas just makes more sense. I am not at all impressed with these new EV pickups, they look great on paper...until you connect a 10,000# trailer to the back and then the batteries get drained almost instantly....we have a long way to go before construction folks will b able to convert to EV safely.
GM products are garbage you bought yourself a giant nightmare
Why compare maxed out diesel towing miles per gallon to unloaded gas towing miles per gallon? What are the unloaded miles per gallons of those diesels? You guys are usually more thorough than this.
My number one question is the fact that you tested the Ford at night when the air was cooler did that play into it getting better in MPG?
Pittsburgh Pa March 12 22 Diesel $5.50 a gallon
I’m torn on 22 Silverado Trailboss w/3.0 or a 22 F150 Tremor
Thanks Joe.
Gearing is another issue with mpg worth talking about........
My 2021 Ford F-150 2.7 ecobeast gets 26 mpg on the Hwy
Who cares, we are talking big boy trucks.
I'll have to re-watch the video but didn't the ram have a windy day?
Sounds like the cummins 3500 went in Exhaust cleaning mode.
Unloaded 2500 diesel mpg?
No 2500 srw diesel unloaded comparison?
The diesels are more expensive but at least with me they get better gas mileage empty. I had a 2019 F350 with the 6spd and i was getting around 18mph empty on the highway cruising around 70mph.
Please do 2500 diesels. I'll let you drive my 2021 ram 2500 loaded megacab 4x4
Speaking of Diesel It's a mistake that Toyota don't have at least one reliable option. Lots of people I know would've get it for the business that needs heavy towing often. Heck even the Hilux would've been a great option for lawn care,gardening guys and other tradesmen
I second that opinion!
Small diesels are too expensive to meet emissions. Gas engine is much cheaper overall.
If you were doing 50,000 miles a year at $4.00 a gallon, the Ford could be $8,000 cheaper to run compared to the Ram in fuel alone.
At this point kind of surprised they don’t just make a hybrid diesel variant, probably some sort of cost issue.
Cummins always used to get the best mileage but Powerstrokes have gotten gotten to be the most powerful and most efficient of the big 3.
Ram needs to upgrade their HD engine options
What else can they do besides transmission .New tech always add the possibility of unreliable new tech and in this class being more powerful is not going to change a brand loyal guy so what would you do too be more efficient
@@christopherbrown1391 6.7 is a great engine but is 15 years old and although great power for most..
Isn't keeping up with Ford.
The gas engine is where I'd like to see Ram innovate towards.. i.e. the 7.3 pushrod, tons of low end torque
@@TaigaTurf I thought the 6.7 got a new block and now has the most torque not horsepower also the 6.4 could be upgraded but how will going bigger be more efficient
@@christopherbrown1391 the 6.4 hemi needs more low end torque..
It's a HD truck..
Less need to rev engine.. equals less gas consumption
vehicles being fuel injected should do good compared to carburetors.
Lololol
The Hummer has to stop for an hour or two of charging after 150 miles (2 hrs) of towing. A gas or diesel still has another 1/2 tank