Look. Just to get ahead of it, when we recorded this and I complained about Gandalf being overpowered I forgot the moment in Lord Of The Rings when he got lightening to hit his sword then he stabbed a fire monster to death. What I'm basically now saying is this and the other Hobbit films are actually a perfect series of movies
I'd love to see a Caravan of Garbage for: 1. Indiana Jones franchise 2. Pirates of the Caribbean frinchise 3. Batman Mask of the Phantasm 4. Ghost Rider 1 and 2 5. Hellboy 1, 2 and reboot
I seem to be in the minority here, but I keep asking for STAR WARS: CARAVAN OF COURAGE for years now. Mainly because they must’ve named their series after it for a reason. Like a love/hate.
So something to look into, for green trivia, the guys who play the dwarves actually ended up in a super nasty dispute with the studio and got uninvited to the premieres etc and kind of black listed. It was related to predatory filming practices that they basically forced New Zealand to change the laws to accomodate. Those guys spoke against it and get told to kick rocks and were snubbed.
I'd like to add that in the novel, Tolkien casually mentions that they passed Stone Giants when passing through the mountains. The film turns this into an entire sequence where the Stone Giants form the mountains themselves such that a mountain gets up and punches another mountain in the face while the party tries to hold on and there's a lightning storm flashing like crazy. I know that people vommitted during these frames per second, but I find that hilariously over-the-top filler.
The thing is though I believe the higher ups were making calls to appease like average viewers. The action is a bit much, I watched the hobbit last night, but it upholds the integrity of the story pretty well and the acting is great as well as the score. I think it just suffered from studios wanting something it wasn’t. But I believe PJ and Shore gave us the most they could
What bothered me was the fans who argued it wasn’t in the books. Yeah he didn’t focus on it much, but there’s enough there to at least show stone giants. But yeah, WB bloated it to stretch to three movies
@@davidsimon5088 that's why there are countless edits, many people have their own opinions on what to leave or keep, so when people look them up it ends up being like a boutique shop of the perfect edit pfff
Not as bad as the drawn out bs boring action in the 3rd film though ahaha. Tbh I actually appreciated seeing the stone giants. The 3rd film just changes so much and is so boring
@@suitedpanda3108 *Grab that gem and forget about it at the end of the 3rd movie, unless you see the extended version, in which case you get a couple frames of said gem that you be grabbin'.
They probably have it written down somewhere. "Green Trivia is a thing we do near the end of the video. Don't forget." It's on a post-it note next to the computer.
@@TheeDawson In fairness, these two are right, but I would have immediately come back on them with: Technically, that's Gollum's fault. If he wasn't such an idiot, Bilbo would never have won that contest, and Gollum would still have his stupid ring. So, sorry... no sympathy for stupid people.
Well, the thing with the hobbit wasn't so much about not allowing Sauron to get a Dragon later, it was more about getting a force to protect the north east of middle earth. After the defeat of Smaug, a lot of men and dwarfs went back to live in those hills and they fortified the lonely mountain and the lake. During the war of the ring, a great force of orcs and men attacked those places and if those people were not there to protect that flank, the Green forest of Legolas would have fallen, probably even Imladris (Rivendel). Rohan woudn't have had a chance against Orthanc. Just imagine Theoden fighting a freaking dragon during the battle in Helm's Deep. It's not exaggeration to say that the adventure in the Hobbit saved Middle earth one hundred years later.
I was holding back with everything I had to not "erm actually," so it was good to see you said it so much better. now I just want to see a dragon have a really good fight with a big army in open fields
Something you’ll notice throughout the entire trilogy is that the parts of the Hobbit movies which are good (or sometimes great) are often the most accurate to the source material. The parts which are boring (or bad) are usually the least accurate or added stuff entirely
I thought the opposite: the stuff they had to include (all that singing in the beginning, the tiresome 'funny' stuff with the trolls, the deus ex machine of being rescued by giant eagles, going down the river in barrels (which Shadiversity showed would be physically impossible anyway)) is some of the worst. The movies would have been much improved if that stuff had been cut.
@@ThreadBomb ah yes and the inclusion of the dwarf elf romance, Legolas, that whole thing were they tried to kill Smaug with a gold river, the necromancer stuff, the Pale Orc, were some of the best elements of the movies!
@@banditslayer01 There's a difference between superfluous and irritating on its own terms. Just because it wasn't in the book doesn't make it bad, and just because it was in the book doesn't make it good.
@@banditslayer01 The necromancer stuff is part of the source material. It is not part of the Hobbit book but it is from tLotR. Even the motivation of Gandalf wanting to kill Smaug because he fears he could help Sauron comes from Tolkien writing.
It’s not that it was filmed in 5k. It’s that there’s virtually zero motion blur from the high frame rate. That combined with the way they kept everything ultra sharp in post production, or even sharpened it more rather than softening it like they do in real movies, is what creates such an unpleasant aesthetic feel to these movies. It’s a comedy of errors. But the lack of motion blur is 98% of what makes it look like a shitty high school play recorded on an HD handicam.
Although you are correct, it's not just a lack of motion blur from a high frame rate, it's also just the high playback frame rate. We are used to our films being 24 fps and, regardless of blur or sharpness, that's what makes something look like a 'film' or 'movie'. Anything significantly north of 30 fps just starts to look too 'television' or 'home movie'. Something in our brains just feels like low frame rate is more epic. Maybe our brains fill in the gaps more with low fps or something. Even just upping the frame rate on the original LOTR films using AI makes it look infinitely cheaper: th-cam.com/video/m_xxxIPKEXQ/w-d-xo.html
@@neighbourhoodmusician yeah very true. They are inherently related. Films shot traditionally at 24fps will even have scenes with less motion blur by lowering the shutter angle to get a more stuttery effect, like in Saving Private Ryan. Those scenes still feel like a movie because of the frame rate. That hyper fluid motion of high frame rate and low motion blur makes it feel all wrong.
The inherent problem with frame rate filming and/or scaling is basically two parts: what we are used to in film medium and how our brains process the motion in-between frames. The latter, to me, should not be an issue for people: we USED TO be used to coming in black and white, and we chose to put more detail on screen. I have no problems with higher frame rates of better filmed IF THOSE FRAMES are acquired authentically and not pumped out by a shitty algorithm: Imagine you are watching a race between 2 race cars from one camera that start from a still start over 100 meters. If it was filmed over 2 seconds and the winning car's start to finish time was 2 seconds, and we only have the first and last frame, cool. If you have a camera that is twice as good then you get to see an extra frame during those two seconds and the lead car, you would assume is probably closer to the start line than the end line. The problem with motion smoothing on your TV and done with shitty algorithms is that they just take the average of two frames and smack, essentially, "midpoints" of those images everywhere. Which is a problem. Because that breaks the entire idea in physics of acceleration. Almost no movement we see in nature is done via "constant speed." That's why I immediately always know when watching sports on a television that someone has that shit turned on: a fast moving soccer ball or football or gridiron ball ALWAYS moves unnaturally because the motion of the ball LITERALLY appears jerky. In the Hobbit movies, because they acquired frames genuinely and not with an algorithm. The "unnaturalness" you feel comes 1000% not from frame rates being "too high" but instead from a combination of your brain not being used to better technology cameras, shitty CGI, and unconvincing 3D.
And by trying to answer it, riddle or not, Gollum was bound by the rules of the Game. He could've demanded that Bilbo ask a proper riddle but instead asked for 3 chances to guess
I actually recently rewatched these and found a new appreciation for them, especially when you take into account the rough and tight scheduling BTS. Obviously no catch to the LOTR but I think despite a few over the top sequences and the couple of CG lead characters these movies are well executed. Would love to have seen a version where Jackson was given enough prep time to plan it to his liking though.
You might be interested in the Tolkien fan edit that popped up a while ago for this trilogy! It compresses the ~9 hours of extended footage and deleted scenes into a single ~4hour movie, cutting out tons of fluff. I found the original trilogy completely boring but the fan edit really made me feel that lord of the rings sort of quality again.
I rewatched these in preparation for these videos and I was surprised with how much my opinion of this first movie changed drastically. I knew there’d be large meandering bits so I tried buying in and went “okay what is the point of this inconsequential moment”. I found these moments were frequently used to showcase a character trait of the big 3 (Biblo, Thorin, & Gandalf) or to establish the culture of the dwarves and the impact of this generational trauma that resulted from Smaug’s invasion. I liked seeing it with this perspective but I will never defend this series to anyone. The 3rd one specifically leaves me with a bad taste because I started working at a movie theater when it came out and I had to individually wash all of the IMAX 3D glasses during its opening weekend.
@@KrazzeeKane You took the time to care enough to comment about a guy who took the time to care enough to comment about a guy preparing to watch a TH-cam video by watching 9 hours of movies? Legend. Go get him.
i feel like, as much as the trilogy does pad things out, you couldn't fit it into just one movie. i think at minimum it would have to be two movies to fit everything in and flesh things out.
True Story: I was born in 1972, and my father was a HUGE rings fan. Wore suede elf boots and a green cape, flew a flag of Sauron off his balcony, total hippie hobbit-freak. There is a family story of my parents fighting over what I would be named. Mom wanted to name me "Christopher Robin". Dad insisted I would be named "Thorin Oakenshield". Luckily, this was the early seventies, so Dad wasn't around for my birth, and mom was unconscious. Grandmother named me after my dad, nice, normal names, but we always talked about how hard school would have been with that name.
RE: Gandlaf's magic Its best to think of it like Fate's magic rather than D&Ds, he doesn't have a set of spells he can cast with spell slots, he's got a series of things he can do even as Gandalf the Grey(know things lost or unseen including just creating light, reveal true forms such as imposing his true self to inspire awe/fear or just routing out pretenders, inspire people to be where they need to be, healing although only ever enough for someone to play their part in the great song, etc). He has a magic ring he uses for fire magic, which he often combines with light or his ability to mess with what's observed or not to great effect(like mixing fireworks with pinecones so he appears to be making them into grenades to scare off attackers in a forrest). His magic is not really easy to explain because it's all about supporting the song of creation(which says Sauron will lose and magic will fade), the more inline with the goal the more he can do, the more against the song the less effective he becomes. In fact because he died trying so hard to make the song happen he got a major power boost because Eru was so impressed and wanted him to finish the story. I don't think you can make a D&D character for Gandalf as a result, his magic is just too inconsistent for those rules; meanwhile Fate which rewards playing into destiny for precogs/destiny-aflicted main characters would play into this, the more you try to make the key story beats happen the easier the challenge while changing the destiny requires a lot of luck or a heavy sacrifice.
I had a Gandalf like character in the Genesys system that worked really well, but I also had a pretty generous GM who was willing to work with me because he trusted I wouldn’t derail everything by being an OP resurrected demigod but would actually help move the story along and make things interesting
@@_JesusChrist. Keeping on keeping on has to be a close contender. Dude wandered around for like 6000 years just getting to know everybody, and when he saw huge towers with comfy chairs he didn't even take them as his own. Super cool sphere that lets you look around at all the stuff and chat on a party line? Nah, he just rides across the land delighting children and giving advice, he prefers talking face to face over some local cuisine
Can't wait to hear your thoughts on Alfred Lickspittle, quite possibly the greatest character in all of film. Am I joking? Who can tell in this crazy world...
Sometimes Gandalf's power is exhausted. He's part angel and angels made the world, so he has limited power over the world. In many situations starting fires is a bad idea, so he doesn't do that often. Breaking the bridge is the same power as breaking the rock. He is clearly able to speak to animals but not quite as well as radagast.
That's an incredibly boring explanation. It might be "correct" but it doesn't justify boring characters doing nothing. At least Gandalf actually does stuff in these, rather than dying and coming back like Jesus but nothing actually useful... Like yeah generic dumb magic, but at least it makes sense bringing a wizard along for that, he may as well be just another dude in LOTR.
Idk, the transition from 2 to 3 never works in the fanedits. I found versions that retain the 3 movie structure but cut upwards of an hour and a half off of each to make them leaner movies that work much better as a whole.
@@terragthegreat175 Its a bit rough, but still an improvement. The edit makes Battle of the Five Armies tolerable because it cut it right down to the bone.
I edited this trilogy into a single movie for my mom (she hates when they add stuff that wasn't in the books). I think I got it down to a bit over 3 hours. I can't imagine getting it down to 90 minutes! 😆
In all fairness to Gandalf, Smaug was far and above the power of any creature Sauron had in the LOTR trilogy and is only killed with an extraordinary amount of luck in the Hobbit. He probably could have destroyed Minas Tirith singlehandedly. I also hope you talk about how movie Smaug is actually a Wyvern as he lacks forelegs.
In the theatrical release of an unexpected journey, smaug has 4 proper legs when he walks through the front doors of erebor. Smaugs wyvern design was only finalised after an unexpected journey released and was added into the home video release of the movie so it matched the desolation of Smaug.
I’ll never not feel bad for PJ after having to be thrown into this thing after pre production and being forced to make a trilogy It’s a miracle it’s even watchable The BTS footage of PJ is so sad he’s just sitting around looking defeated
I don't get how the studio was able to make him stretch a single, short book into three movies. How did he not put his foot down and just say he wouldn't do that? Especially given that he didn't even have any prep time, which would have been bad enough if it were one movie.
Isn’t it incredible that the best way to view a 200 million dollar movie is a VCR hooked up to an old timey television. Forget about Top Gun: Maverick, the absolute peak of cinema can be found in my grandmothers living room
@@WhamBang You can always transfer it yourself! Anyway, I watched the movies on my monitor-sized TV and they looked fine, apart from that excess bloom in some scenes.
This was my first LOTR film experience AND the only film I ever saw in Imax. 8 year old me's mind was completely blown away and that is why I still love this movie.
@@Adarkane325xi Please google the meaning of "cynism". These movies are called "The Hobbit". They are NOT "The Lord of the rings". What's your problem?
I actually did see the extended edition of An Unexpected Journey because a couple of my friends who were really into LOTR had a copy, so I watched it when I was hanging out with them. I thought it was better than the theatrical version because it gave things a bit more time to breath and wasn't just going at a breakneck pace all the time. But it wouldn't have been worth going out of my way to see. And I think the other two movies would probably be better off with contracted editions.
For all their problems, I feel the Hobbit movies turned out really well considering the rushed shooting schedule and how everything was thrown together on the fly during filming. 'An Unexpected Journey' has a lot of great stuff, from the awe-inspiring prologue, the introduction of Radagast, the brief but chilling glimpse of Sauron, to the White Council meeting (which is just five minutes of people talking, but the acting chops there is incredible), the riddle game, and that final shot of Smaug. Though it takes a long time to get going, there's an obvious love for Tolkien and his universe throughout the film, and I still think it's a great reintroduction to Middle-Earth, and a good start to the trilogy as a whole.
As someone who gets why you wouldn’t want to do the extended versions of these. You should watch the extended version of the last hobbit movie. The action is cooler, it brings the rating from PG-13 to R. And it ends up being the same length as the normal versions of the other two because originally the third one was about 20 minutes shorter
The Lord of the rings is my favourite trilogy of all time. But I still fucking love the hobbit films, i don't really know why but I think that 90% of them is genuinely great. I will not elaborate.
You probably like the vibes more than the plot. I like the Hobbit movies too, but I also agree with most of the critics. If you're a fan of the Hobbit novel, I recommend you to check the fan audiobook by Bluefax. They've done amazing job with it.
@@thejuiceking2219 Same. The first is definitely the best, but Desolation has some good parts. I believe the whole trilogy goes downhill once they get to Laketown
I love the first Hobbit film. The book was my favourite as a kid and them hitting most of the points of that whilst fleshing out the dwarves and making them feel so distinct and managing to make me care for them is incredible. Bilbo, Gollum and Gandalf are literally my top 3 favourite characters in all of fiction and they get them perfect. The music is amazing as always too and the dwarves singing is better than I imagined as well as the design of all the places like Goblin Town. Honestly when Bilbo is reminiscing about home and you see his character growth I get so emotional. The highs of this film get close-ish to Lord of the Rings for me (close-ish haha). Genuinely this film is an 8/10 for me. With each rewatch it keeps getting better and better. I used to like the second one more as a kid but nah definitely not anymore and think that’s like a 6.5/10 now. Absolutely hate the Third film though and all it’s changes and just over the top useless boring action lol. Almost go to sleep in the film every time
I haven't watched these movies since they came out and tbh completely forgot there was a movie before Smaug. You have convinced me that a rewatch is in order 😊🙌
I honestly liked this movie pretty much, I watched 3 times cinema (one of them in 3d). I think the entire thing went to hell later, this one wasn't as good as any of the lotr movies but I thought it was good enough. It felt closer to the style of the hobbit book.
@@MrJans3n Yeah, the third one ended up being the worst for me. I never believed that forced romance between the elf and the dwarf, I mean... both are old, she is probably thousands years old, and you are telling me that they fall in love with two phrases? I don't know, they knew nothing of each other. More like a teen crush. Even then, so hard to take... Then you have a lot of filler, weird modern day humor ("nobody thinks in the children?" and similar stuff), and Legolas doing Legolas +++ stuff, I mean, I am pretty sure he could have taken Sauron if he wanted, physics mean nothing to him after all. But the first one didn't have that many problems in my opinion.
The Andrew Dice Clay bit gets me every time. Especially James saying "Aaaaaaaye, something rude." Like, he just couldn't think of anything rude at the time. Also, the fact that Maso keeps coming back to this bit through the entire series, cracks me up.
@@rampantrambling Nice edginess. The Hobbit trilogy is still far more watchable than most fantasy movies despite the condition they were made in. No prep.
fun fact. the fan edits that cut out all the stuff that isn't in the book and cut it down to a single movie are much less shit than this trilogy of drivel.
I usually go to sleep listening to the weekly planet. The other day I had a dream where I was walking around my old neighborhood with James and Mason and we were friends but they were talking to each other and kind of ignoring me and I couldn't get a word in. When I woke up I realized "of course they were talking to each other. I'm not in the podcast". Anyway... good to have them back.
I would love to see a single, 3 hour-ish Hobbit movie with Martin Freeman, just because he was perfect as Bilbo and he's the one thing from those movies that I wish we could salvage somehow.
The city of New Zealand were thrilled to have the movie crew back for the Hobbit. However when the studio tried low balling the local film commission that caused shooting to be hectic.
If there is one thing you can count on in business, it is that eventually someone will always, without fail, try to fuck over or lowball someone they had a good working relationship with on a previous project, and then it screws the new project up. I've seen it so, so many times--like is it really worth fucking up a good business relationship over saving a few bucks? The short sightedness of cheap cunts especially in Hollywood is astounding
Surprising naked bloke showing up in photo at 21:40. Also, in a film related comment - I love the extended editions of The Lord of the Rings but I only saw the theatrical release of these Hobbit films once each at the cinema and didn't enjoy them. Just too darn long!
Not gonna lie, that running gag with Blue Harvest being the original name of every single movie gets me every time. Soon as trivia starts I should expect it, but nope 😅 giggles evertime
1. As a RHCP fan I loved the editors arguing about which songs were being vaguely referenced. 2. Love how the Blue Harvest joke is getting more and more difficult to distinguish from actual trivia, thereby possibly confusing newcomers. 3. THE BOYS ARE BACK BABAYYYY!!!!!!
I read the Lord of the Rings while my now wife was pregnant with my first daughter. I started it at the first doctor checkup... and finished it roughly around the time she was halfway through labor. So basically an entire human developed in the time it took me to finish the damn thing. No regerts
21:13 Thorin: You brought dishonour to the Shire. You brought dishonour to your mum, your dad, your pony, your pantry. (False finish) and you have saved the whole of China- i mean Middle-earth. Well us specifically. Kinda. You weren't completely useless. And i guess you didn't have excrement on your face, which is a bonus i guess. So, almost-good job...ish.
The first two are fun, the last one is a mess, but I enjoyed that duel thorin had with the main orc. Anyway watch one of those 4 hour fan edits. I think one called the maple cut is the most well regarded
IDC, I really loved the 1st and 2nd movie. I get so immersed in that world the slow pace doesn't bother me. The first movie builds the dynamic between the dwarves and Bilbo so well it holds the bad parts of this movie and the sequels together and the payoff in the end with Bilbo and Thorin is really good and sets up his downfall in the sequels. The Hobbit trilogy has a different approach to its storytelling and I think people compare certain aspects to the LOTR trilogy that I think it's unfair to compare to. It's a real shame how rushed these movies were because, with time, the whole trilogy could have been so much better.
"Why couldn't the Eagles fly them right to the mountain?" Eagles: That's some way to thank us for savin' everyone. Would you like fries with that next time? Next time someone needs to be taken to a big mountain we're not not even gonna show up. maybe at the end.
I really love you guys. Because I love the Hobbit movies. I LOVE THEM. And you guys saying "Well they're shit" and it doesn't feel mean at all or make me sad face, is pretty awesome. Anyway, always looking forward to watching your stuff. Also Bret McKenzie's new album is absolute synth pop fire
I watched this movie 3 times. Each time I was very happy with the first half hour, yet I was bored with it by the end. Never watched the second or the third movie.
I watched each Hobbit movie several times. At release I enjoyed the first 2. I enjoyed the extended version of the third one. They're still fun to watch.
I can only hope and pray that the blue harvest running gag continues for years and years to come and I hope that on James deathbed he utters those words to his loved ones to keep them informed of that fantastic trivia!
I have a weird relationship with this trilogy. I, like anyone with a pulse, loved the lotr trilogy, and after having read the books, they have become one of my favorites. Needless to say, I was ecstatic when I learned the hobbit was being adapted into a movie. Liked the first one, thought the second was okay, and never saw the third the thirds, only ever watching it when I rented it from a rebox at a McDonald’s. All of this to say, the rankin bass version is vastly superior
You should actually watch the extended version of the 3rd movie because its only extended because of a 5 minute rated R scene when the dwarves go on a slaughter-a-thon decapitating orks left and right and its the best part of the trilogy.
Imo the hobbit films are over hated, I remember watching the first one and it made me want to read all the books for the first time. I think they're great, not as good as lotr but I still really enjoy them and watch them at least once a year alongside lotr. Recently they showed the lotr trilogy in theaters and I wish they would show the hobbit trilogy again.
Taking it Easy was written by Jackson Browne who lived with (or below?) one of the Eagles members. He gave them that song, and that likely explains the difference in feel. Jackson Browne has written a lot of songs you'll have heard of but never knew it was him because he gave them to other artists.
There's a fan edit that greatly improves this trilogy, by Maple-Films. Pairs it down to four hours with an intermission, which plays an unused (but great) piece of music by Howard Shore. They also professionally re-colour graded every scene, to give it more of that LOTR realistic tone. Getting rid of the horrible bloomy, oversaturated look. They even fixed some poor music choices, like when it plays the Nazgul theme from LOTR, when Thorin faces Azog. There's only a few small continuity issues, but they are very easy to overlook or miss entirely.
That “laying tracks in front of a train as it’s moving” quote is actually from the making of Lord of the Rings, when they’re talking about the script changes.
This is an example of a time when sticking closely to the source material was a bad idea. Sure, nerds would complain if you cut down on the number of dwarves... But it's an undeniable fact that there needs to be fewer dwarves. In book form 13 was already excessive enough, but it's slightly more acceptable in that format, but in movie form... JESUS, no one cares about at least 9 of these dwarves! Cut it down to Gloin (just because he's related to Gimli so needs to be in there,) the love story one, the old and wise one, and *one* comic relief dwarf. That is plenty.
Bit these films didn't strictly adapt the books, they added unnecessary and fabricated plot lines and made it a bloated 3 film stretch. Whereas the original story is a nice breezy and succinct journey, this films flaw was trying to make it as grandiose as LOTR where it's merits lie as a short understated journey
Honestly think you need to watch the extended edition of Battle of the Five Armies as the standard cut doesnt even make sense in places due to scenes being left out. plus most of the best bits are the extra scenes
Okay I have to be a dumb horrible nerd here, who deserves comeuppance by the end of the film...... But.... The human eye doesn't really have a hard cap on the number of frames per second it can perceive. 60 is an arbitrary number that became standardised due to it being the frequency of AC current in the some parts of the world. Newer phones have 90Hz and 120Hz refresh rates and the difference is instantly noticeable compared to 60. Better yet, try a 144Hz+ gaming monitor and look up "test ufo blur busters". You'll see that you can very much perceive the difference between 60 and 144 or higher. Okay dumb nerd time over, someone can punch me now. Probably David Hasselhoff's Nick Fury.
Nerdsplaining always appreciated. Is there any way to view this difference, like a video you could point to? Is that even possible to have a comparison video to display it clearly on a regular iPad? I could never fully grasp those 1080 vs 4K videos when watching on a non 4K screen.
There's a brilliant fan edit of The Hobbit out there. Its superior in every way and if you are Tolkien fan do yourselves a favour and seek it out. Here's the trailer to Maple films cut: th-cam.com/video/85gVFD7Dqwk/w-d-xo.html
I honestly don't remember anything from these 3 movies. When you recap the plot it's like I'm watching it for the first time. All I remember is that the CGI looks like Playstation 2 graphics.
Gosh,I wonder if Ben and Laurence just had that eagles hard hat clip in mind when they heard this or if they had to search like “Eagles hit by trebuchet. Eagles falling down. Eagles…wearing hard hat?”
Look. Just to get ahead of it, when we recorded this and I complained about Gandalf being overpowered I forgot the moment in Lord Of The Rings when he got lightening to hit his sword then he stabbed a fire monster to death. What I'm basically now saying is this and the other Hobbit films are actually a perfect series of movies
Hey, it's ok we all make mistakes. Ian McKellen however will hunt you down personally for the sins you have committed.
How could you forget Gandolf literally smacking the evil out of Theodin with his magic stick. Obviously, magic is clearly defined.
Wow even in text form I can hear James’s voice while reading this. 😅
Perfect series of movies needs you to go back to where Peter Jackson started! Bad Taste and Brain Dead (Dead Alive) on Caravan of Garbage please!!
that's better!
I will never get tired of learning “Blue Harvest” lore.
Gotta be one of the greatest movies that ever
It’s the best of all the green trivia’s out there
‘Blue Harvest’ was actually the working title of ‘Star Wars’
We learn something new everytime!
@@pasta-and-heroin It was for Return of the Jedi
I'd love to see a Caravan of Garbage for:
1. Indiana Jones franchise
2. Pirates of the Caribbean frinchise
3. Batman Mask of the Phantasm
4. Ghost Rider 1 and 2
5. Hellboy 1, 2 and reboot
They did a commentary for Ghost Rider(extended edition) thats on Big Sandwich✨
Seconding Hellboy in particular.
I want the recent planet of the apes trilogy but these are great ideas 😊
6. All 8 harry potter movies... though they have done some podcast stuff years back.
I seem to be in the minority here, but I keep asking for STAR WARS: CARAVAN OF COURAGE for years now. Mainly because they must’ve named their series after it for a reason. Like a love/hate.
So something to look into, for green trivia, the guys who play the dwarves actually ended up in a super nasty dispute with the studio and got uninvited to the premieres etc and kind of black listed.
It was related to predatory filming practices that they basically forced New Zealand to change the laws to accomodate. Those guys spoke against it and get told to kick rocks and were snubbed.
Maso and James are fans of Lindsay Ellis so I'm sure they do know. You can even see a clip of Lindsay's video here
Man that's crazy
THE BOYS ARE BACK IN TOWN!!!!
Another great song by The Eagles!
Hell Yeah
Well wested too
We been waiting for a long time!!!
@@ShirDeutch I can't be the only one who hears the Bus Boys can I?
I'd like to add that in the novel, Tolkien casually mentions that they passed Stone Giants when passing through the mountains. The film turns this into an entire sequence where the Stone Giants form the mountains themselves such that a mountain gets up and punches another mountain in the face while the party tries to hold on and there's a lightning storm flashing like crazy. I know that people vommitted during these frames per second, but I find that hilariously over-the-top filler.
I watched a heavily edited version of the Hobbit that much more closely followed the books.
Unfortunately that dumb scene remained.
The thing is though I believe the higher ups were making calls to appease like average viewers. The action is a bit much, I watched the hobbit last night, but it upholds the integrity of the story pretty well and the acting is great as well as the score. I think it just suffered from studios wanting something it wasn’t. But I believe PJ and Shore gave us the most they could
What bothered me was the fans who argued it wasn’t in the books. Yeah he didn’t focus on it much, but there’s enough there to at least show stone giants. But yeah, WB bloated it to stretch to three movies
@@davidsimon5088 that's why there are countless edits, many people have their own opinions on what to leave or keep, so when people look them up it ends up being like a boutique shop of the perfect edit pfff
Not as bad as the drawn out bs boring action in the 3rd film though ahaha. Tbh I actually appreciated seeing the stone giants. The 3rd film just changes so much and is so boring
"Grab that gem" is particularly appropriate for this trilogy.
Grab that gem and forget about it at the end of the 3rd movie.
@@blipmachine only if you havent seen the extended versions, and if you have... you get like a couple frames of it
@@suitedpanda3108 *Grab that gem and forget about it at the end of the 3rd movie, unless you see the extended version, in which case you get a couple frames of said gem that you be grabbin'.
The greatest part about them returning after a month of being gone is the fact that they remembered to keep “green trivia“ going
And blue harvest!
They probably have it written down somewhere. "Green Trivia is a thing we do near the end of the video. Don't forget." It's on a post-it note next to the computer.
I missed you guys. It’s really nice to hear fresh content. Looking forward to this month!!!
No one makes me laugh like those two 🤣. "What have I got in my pockets is not a riddle and Golum should have just killed him" had me Dead
Last month felt unbearably long and now I realize why that was
@@TheeDawson In fairness, these two are right, but I would have immediately come back on them with: Technically, that's Gollum's fault. If he wasn't such an idiot, Bilbo would never have won that contest, and Gollum would still have his stupid ring. So, sorry... no sympathy for stupid people.
That Ocarina of Time music out of nowhere for the trivia transition was masterful. Absolutely some of the finest work this channel has ever produced.
Well, the thing with the hobbit wasn't so much about not allowing Sauron to get a Dragon later, it was more about getting a force to protect the north east of middle earth. After the defeat of Smaug, a lot of men and dwarfs went back to live in those hills and they fortified the lonely mountain and the lake. During the war of the ring, a great force of orcs and men attacked those places and if those people were not there to protect that flank, the Green forest of Legolas would have fallen, probably even Imladris (Rivendel). Rohan woudn't have had a chance against Orthanc. Just imagine Theoden fighting a freaking dragon during the battle in Helm's Deep.
It's not exaggeration to say that the adventure in the Hobbit saved Middle earth one hundred years later.
A dragon would have decimated everyone in a second
I was holding back with everything I had to not "erm actually," so it was good to see you said it so much better. now I just want to see a dragon have a really good fight with a big army in open fields
Nerd
@@ryanb6503 GoT did it?
@@jimmythegenius9663 I wouldn't say they did it that well, though
Something you’ll notice throughout the entire trilogy is that the parts of the Hobbit movies which are good (or sometimes great) are often the most accurate to the source material.
The parts which are boring (or bad) are usually the least accurate or added stuff entirely
I thought the opposite: the stuff they had to include (all that singing in the beginning, the tiresome 'funny' stuff with the trolls, the deus ex machine of being rescued by giant eagles, going down the river in barrels (which Shadiversity showed would be physically impossible anyway)) is some of the worst. The movies would have been much improved if that stuff had been cut.
@@ThreadBomb ah yes and the inclusion of the dwarf elf romance, Legolas, that whole thing were they tried to kill Smaug with a gold river, the necromancer stuff, the Pale Orc, were some of the best elements of the movies!
@@banditslayer01 There's a difference between superfluous and irritating on its own terms. Just because it wasn't in the book doesn't make it bad, and just because it was in the book doesn't make it good.
@@ThreadBomb sure man whatever you say
@@banditslayer01 The necromancer stuff is part of the source material. It is not part of the Hobbit book but it is from tLotR. Even the motivation of Gandalf wanting to kill Smaug because he fears he could help Sauron comes from Tolkien writing.
It’s not that it was filmed in 5k. It’s that there’s virtually zero motion blur from the high frame rate. That combined with the way they kept everything ultra sharp in post production, or even sharpened it more rather than softening it like they do in real movies, is what creates such an unpleasant aesthetic feel to these movies. It’s a comedy of errors. But the lack of motion blur is 98% of what makes it look like a shitty high school play recorded on an HD handicam.
"Like they do in real movies" is probably the hottest take down of these movies I've ever heard in my life.
Although you are correct, it's not just a lack of motion blur from a high frame rate, it's also just the high playback frame rate. We are used to our films being 24 fps and, regardless of blur or sharpness, that's what makes something look like a 'film' or 'movie'. Anything significantly north of 30 fps just starts to look too 'television' or 'home movie'. Something in our brains just feels like low frame rate is more epic. Maybe our brains fill in the gaps more with low fps or something. Even just upping the frame rate on the original LOTR films using AI makes it look infinitely cheaper: th-cam.com/video/m_xxxIPKEXQ/w-d-xo.html
@@neighbourhoodmusician yeah very true. They are inherently related. Films shot traditionally at 24fps will even have scenes with less motion blur by lowering the shutter angle to get a more stuttery effect, like in Saving Private Ryan. Those scenes still feel like a movie because of the frame rate. That hyper fluid motion of high frame rate and low motion blur makes it feel all wrong.
“We’re trying something new”
No, you’re just doing it wrong.
The inherent problem with frame rate filming and/or scaling is basically two parts: what we are used to in film medium and how our brains process the motion in-between frames. The latter, to me, should not be an issue for people: we USED TO be used to coming in black and white, and we chose to put more detail on screen. I have no problems with higher frame rates of better filmed IF THOSE FRAMES are acquired authentically and not pumped out by a shitty algorithm:
Imagine you are watching a race between 2 race cars from one camera that start from a still start over 100 meters. If it was filmed over 2 seconds and the winning car's start to finish time was 2 seconds, and we only have the first and last frame, cool. If you have a camera that is twice as good then you get to see an extra frame during those two seconds and the lead car, you would assume is probably closer to the start line than the end line. The problem with motion smoothing on your TV and done with shitty algorithms is that they just take the average of two frames and smack, essentially, "midpoints" of those images everywhere. Which is a problem. Because that breaks the entire idea in physics of acceleration. Almost no movement we see in nature is done via "constant speed." That's why I immediately always know when watching sports on a television that someone has that shit turned on: a fast moving soccer ball or football or gridiron ball ALWAYS moves unnaturally because the motion of the ball LITERALLY appears jerky.
In the Hobbit movies, because they acquired frames genuinely and not with an algorithm. The "unnaturalness" you feel comes 1000% not from frame rates being "too high" but instead from a combination of your brain not being used to better technology cameras, shitty CGI, and unconvincing 3D.
Bilbo wasn't asking a riddle when he said "what having I got in my pocket?", he forgot that he put the ring in his pocket.
And by trying to answer it, riddle or not, Gollum was bound by the rules of the Game. He could've demanded that Bilbo ask a proper riddle but instead asked for 3 chances to guess
True, but I think they were just joking around
To be fair to this movie, Tolkien only fleshed out about 4 of the dwarves.
nonsense Gloin got a bunch of backstory later on he fleshed out 5 dwarves
And Ironically, one of those 4 was reduced to basically a non speaking fat guy.
@@alexanderguerrero347 Five dwarves is _about_ four dwarves.
@@nashocheese god I love Bombur. I don’t understand why he hasn’t reached meme status
@@YodaOnABenderI loved him in the extended edition of battle of the five armies. The extended edition of the hobbit trilogy is so good
I actually recently rewatched these and found a new appreciation for them, especially when you take into account the rough and tight scheduling BTS. Obviously no catch to the LOTR but I think despite a few over the top sequences and the couple of CG lead characters these movies are well executed.
Would love to have seen a version where Jackson was given enough prep time to plan it to his liking though.
You might be interested in the Tolkien fan edit that popped up a while ago for this trilogy! It compresses the ~9 hours of extended footage and deleted scenes into a single ~4hour movie, cutting out tons of fluff. I found the original trilogy completely boring but the fan edit really made me feel that lord of the rings sort of quality again.
@@BlackDahlia1147 Agreed. fan cut is easily the way to go.
I rewatched these in preparation for these videos and I was surprised with how much my opinion of this first movie changed drastically. I knew there’d be large meandering bits so I tried buying in and went “okay what is the point of this inconsequential moment”. I found these moments were frequently used to showcase a character trait of the big 3 (Biblo, Thorin, & Gandalf) or to establish the culture of the dwarves and the impact of this generational trauma that resulted from Smaug’s invasion. I liked seeing it with this perspective but I will never defend this series to anyone.
The 3rd one specifically leaves me with a bad taste because I started working at a movie theater when it came out and I had to individually wash all of the IMAX 3D glasses during its opening weekend.
You prepared for TH-cam video by watching 9+ hours of movies??. Get a life.
@@kyleparker2139 You took the time to care enough to comment about a guy preparing to watch a TH-cam video by watching 9 hours of movies? Get a life.
@@KrazzeeKane You took the time to care enough to comment about a guy who took the time to care enough to comment about a guy preparing to watch a TH-cam video by watching 9 hours of movies? Legend. Go get him.
@@kyleparker2139 Choosing to be a jerk to a stranger - you must be pleasant in real life.
i feel like, as much as the trilogy does pad things out, you couldn't fit it into just one movie. i think at minimum it would have to be two movies to fit everything in and flesh things out.
True Story: I was born in 1972, and my father was a HUGE rings fan. Wore suede elf boots and a green cape, flew a flag of Sauron off his balcony, total hippie hobbit-freak. There is a family story of my parents fighting over what I would be named. Mom wanted to name me "Christopher Robin". Dad insisted I would be named "Thorin Oakenshield". Luckily, this was the early seventies, so Dad wasn't around for my birth, and mom was unconscious. Grandmother named me after my dad, nice, normal names, but we always talked about how hard school would have been with that name.
My brother, born in the seventies, was gonna be named Aragorn no joke but my mom had to put her foot down
I dont believe you
Shut up Thorin
Ur parents sounds perfect for each other! Both with a love of literature!
@@football4life85 um ...yeah, they divorced in '74, so, not so much.
So glad you guys are back! Now, did you know that blue harvest was the production name for the first star wars movie back in 19...
Yes that’s why the first Family Guy Star Wars episode was called that
/whoosh
My favorite part was when Bilbo yelled “It’s Hobbin’ time!”
RE: Gandlaf's magic
Its best to think of it like Fate's magic rather than D&Ds, he doesn't have a set of spells he can cast with spell slots, he's got a series of things he can do even as Gandalf the Grey(know things lost or unseen including just creating light, reveal true forms such as imposing his true self to inspire awe/fear or just routing out pretenders, inspire people to be where they need to be, healing although only ever enough for someone to play their part in the great song, etc).
He has a magic ring he uses for fire magic, which he often combines with light or his ability to mess with what's observed or not to great effect(like mixing fireworks with pinecones so he appears to be making them into grenades to scare off attackers in a forrest).
His magic is not really easy to explain because it's all about supporting the song of creation(which says Sauron will lose and magic will fade), the more inline with the goal the more he can do, the more against the song the less effective he becomes. In fact because he died trying so hard to make the song happen he got a major power boost because Eru was so impressed and wanted him to finish the story.
I don't think you can make a D&D character for Gandalf as a result, his magic is just too inconsistent for those rules; meanwhile Fate which rewards playing into destiny for precogs/destiny-aflicted main characters would play into this, the more you try to make the key story beats happen the easier the challenge while changing the destiny requires a lot of luck or a heavy sacrifice.
His main power was compelling others.
I had a Gandalf like character in the Genesys system that worked really well, but I also had a pretty generous GM who was willing to work with me because he trusted I wouldn’t derail everything by being an OP resurrected demigod but would actually help move the story along and make things interesting
@@_JesusChrist. Keeping on keeping on has to be a close contender. Dude wandered around for like 6000 years just getting to know everybody, and when he saw huge towers with comfy chairs he didn't even take them as his own. Super cool sphere that lets you look around at all the stuff and chat on a party line? Nah, he just rides across the land delighting children and giving advice, he prefers talking face to face over some local cuisine
I wish Del Toro had gotten to make his version. One of the greatest missed opportunities in film history.
I agree.
Same.
Can't wait to hear your thoughts on Alfred Lickspittle, quite possibly the greatest character in all of film.
Am I joking? Who can tell in this crazy world...
Lol. How about Zombie Galadriel? I didn't know that was her power.
Sometimes Gandalf's power is exhausted. He's part angel and angels made the world, so he has limited power over the world. In many situations starting fires is a bad idea, so he doesn't do that often. Breaking the bridge is the same power as breaking the rock. He is clearly able to speak to animals but not quite as well as radagast.
That's an incredibly boring explanation. It might be "correct" but it doesn't justify boring characters doing nothing.
At least Gandalf actually does stuff in these, rather than dying and coming back like Jesus but nothing actually useful...
Like yeah generic dumb magic, but at least it makes sense bringing a wizard along for that, he may as well be just another dude in LOTR.
The fan edits of this into a single film are so much better than the trilogy was. 90s minutes is more than enough time for these characters.
Idk, the transition from 2 to 3 never works in the fanedits. I found versions that retain the 3 movie structure but cut upwards of an hour and a half off of each to make them leaner movies that work much better as a whole.
I think the Tolkien edit is a pretty passable movie, definitely better than the theatrical cuts.
@@terragthegreat175 Its a bit rough, but still an improvement. The edit makes Battle of the Five Armies tolerable because it cut it right down to the bone.
@@andromidius They took out the Dune sandworm cameo?
I edited this trilogy into a single movie for my mom (she hates when they add stuff that wasn't in the books). I think I got it down to a bit over 3 hours. I can't imagine getting it down to 90 minutes! 😆
In all fairness to Gandalf, Smaug was far and above the power of any creature Sauron had in the LOTR trilogy and is only killed with an extraordinary amount of luck in the Hobbit. He probably could have destroyed Minas Tirith singlehandedly.
I also hope you talk about how movie Smaug is actually a Wyvern as he lacks forelegs.
All wyverns are dragons, but not all dragons are wyverns
In the theatrical release of an unexpected journey, smaug has 4 proper legs when he walks through the front doors of erebor. Smaugs wyvern design was only finalised after an unexpected journey released and was added into the home video release of the movie so it matched the desolation of Smaug.
The month off you guys took wasn’t to rest, you just had to watch 3 hobbit films back to back didn’t you
I’ll never not feel bad for PJ after having to be thrown into this thing after pre production and being forced to make a trilogy
It’s a miracle it’s even watchable
The BTS footage of PJ is so sad he’s just sitting around looking defeated
He really could’ve walked away though, it didn’t stop Guillermo from checking out once he saw the writing on the wall
I don't get how the studio was able to make him stretch a single, short book into three movies. How did he not put his foot down and just say he wouldn't do that? Especially given that he didn't even have any prep time, which would have been bad enough if it were one movie.
Isn’t it incredible that the best way to view a 200 million dollar movie is a VCR hooked up to an old timey television. Forget about Top Gun: Maverick, the absolute peak of cinema can be found in my grandmothers living room
Can this movie even be found on VHS
@@WhamBang You can always transfer it yourself!
Anyway, I watched the movies on my monitor-sized TV and they looked fine, apart from that excess bloom in some scenes.
In the wise words of RedLetterMedia:
"Peter Jackson still knows how to direct a movie. He just forgot how to edit it."
i may have spotted one of the first bots
How "wise" can RLM be if they continue to dilute their channel's content with cameos from half-ass celebrities like Culky McCulkin?
@@arcrisgonzaga7324 You got it.
This was my first LOTR film experience AND the only film I ever saw in Imax. 8 year old me's mind was completely blown away and that is why I still love this movie.
same. no matter how many people hate the movies i'll still love them
This is no LOTR movie.
@@sidnew2739 All you do is chime in with useless cynicism. It’s really pathetic.
@@Adarkane325xi Please google the meaning of "cynism".
These movies are called "The Hobbit".
They are NOT "The Lord of the rings".
What's your problem?
I don’t think I realized how much I’d been missing these. Laughed so hard and so consistently. Such a joy to have back.
I actually did see the extended edition of An Unexpected Journey because a couple of my friends who were really into LOTR had a copy, so I watched it when I was hanging out with them. I thought it was better than the theatrical version because it gave things a bit more time to breath and wasn't just going at a breakneck pace all the time. But it wouldn't have been worth going out of my way to see. And I think the other two movies would probably be better off with contracted editions.
For all their problems, I feel the Hobbit movies turned out really well considering the rushed shooting schedule and how everything was thrown together on the fly during filming. 'An Unexpected Journey' has a lot of great stuff, from the awe-inspiring prologue, the introduction of Radagast, the brief but chilling glimpse of Sauron, to the White Council meeting (which is just five minutes of people talking, but the acting chops there is incredible), the riddle game, and that final shot of Smaug. Though it takes a long time to get going, there's an obvious love for Tolkien and his universe throughout the film, and I still think it's a great reintroduction to Middle-Earth, and a good start to the trilogy as a whole.
Agreed. The studio is to blame, but those who made it clearly had the love.
Agreed!
That's wild because I thought they were barely watchable.
@@adamplentl5588 there’s plenty I love, with a number of things I don’t.
Thank god y’all are back, can we get a breakdown of nope? I’ve been itching to hear you guys talk about it
It's been a long winter without you guys. Thank you for returning, I hope you're well rested. The world needs Caravan of Garbage!
Man the editing on this video is a breakneck-paced selection of comedy nuggets and I love it
As someone who gets why you wouldn’t want to do the extended versions of these. You should watch the extended version of the last hobbit movie. The action is cooler, it brings the rating from PG-13 to R. And it ends up being the same length as the normal versions of the other two because originally the third one was about 20 minutes shorter
The Lord of the rings is my favourite trilogy of all time. But I still fucking love the hobbit films, i don't really know why but I think that 90% of them is genuinely great. I will not elaborate.
Lord of the Rings is my favorite trilogy too. I enjoy the Hobbit for the most part, I think Desolation of Smaug is fucking awesome
You probably like the vibes more than the plot. I like the Hobbit movies too, but I also agree with most of the critics.
If you're a fan of the Hobbit novel, I recommend you to check the fan audiobook by Bluefax. They've done amazing job with it.
Bro, you can like what you like, you don't have to explain it to anyone. (Honestly, I prefer that you don't.)
for me the first one's alright, the second one's kinda sketchy, and the third one is bad.
@@thejuiceking2219 Same. The first is definitely the best, but Desolation has some good parts. I believe the whole trilogy goes downhill once they get to Laketown
I love the first Hobbit film. The book was my favourite as a kid and them hitting most of the points of that whilst fleshing out the dwarves and making them feel so distinct and managing to make me care for them is incredible. Bilbo, Gollum and Gandalf are literally my top 3 favourite characters in all of fiction and they get them perfect. The music is amazing as always too and the dwarves singing is better than I imagined as well as the design of all the places like Goblin Town. Honestly when Bilbo is reminiscing about home and you see his character growth I get so emotional. The highs of this film get close-ish to Lord of the Rings for me (close-ish haha). Genuinely this film is an 8/10 for me. With each rewatch it keeps getting better and better. I used to like the second one more as a kid but nah definitely not anymore and think that’s like a 6.5/10 now. Absolutely hate the Third film though and all it’s changes and just over the top useless boring action lol. Almost go to sleep in the film every time
I haven't watched these movies since they came out and tbh completely forgot there was a movie before Smaug. You have convinced me that a rewatch is in order 😊🙌
I honestly liked this movie pretty much, I watched 3 times cinema (one of them in 3d). I think the entire thing went to hell later, this one wasn't as good as any of the lotr movies but I thought it was good enough. It felt closer to the style of the hobbit book.
I feel ya - I always think I'm one of the only people who enjoyed this a good bit. The second one as well, but I don't remember the third much at all
@@MrJans3n Yeah, the third one ended up being the worst for me. I never believed that forced romance between the elf and the dwarf, I mean... both are old, she is probably thousands years old, and you are telling me that they fall in love with two phrases? I don't know, they knew nothing of each other. More like a teen crush. Even then, so hard to take...
Then you have a lot of filler, weird modern day humor ("nobody thinks in the children?" and similar stuff), and Legolas doing Legolas +++ stuff, I mean, I am pretty sure he could have taken Sauron if he wanted, physics mean nothing to him after all.
But the first one didn't have that many problems in my opinion.
The Andrew Dice Clay bit gets me every time. Especially James saying "Aaaaaaaye, something rude." Like, he just couldn't think of anything rude at the time. Also, the fact that Maso keeps coming back to this bit through the entire series, cracks me up.
You should listen to the Lord of the Rings trilogy on Audible, as Andy Serrkis has now done the narration and it is excellent.
i freaking love this series, please never die and never stop making them.
Fun fact the extended edition actually has more stuff from the book in it
Fun fact, the extended editions are even more unbearable
@@rampantrambling Nice edginess. The Hobbit trilogy is still far more watchable than most fantasy movies despite the condition they were made in. No prep.
fun fact. the fan edits that cut out all the stuff that isn't in the book and cut it down to a single movie are much less shit than this trilogy of drivel.
@@michaeljeacock yo thats cool man
Yeah but you still have to slog through the shit to get to those parts
The joke of Gandalf is a dnd character made me laugh and was waiting for them to say that this whole time Gandalf has been fudging his rolls
THE BOYS ARE BACK
I’m so excited to both watch this and catch up to the podcast
I usually go to sleep listening to the weekly planet. The other day I had a dream where I was walking around my old neighborhood with James and Mason and we were friends but they were talking to each other and kind of ignoring me and I couldn't get a word in. When I woke up I realized "of course they were talking to each other. I'm not in the podcast".
Anyway... good to have them back.
I did not know how much I missed this until I was clawing through the last week of August, so glad they're back jesus
I would love to see a single, 3 hour-ish Hobbit movie with Martin Freeman, just because he was perfect as Bilbo and he's the one thing from those movies that I wish we could salvage somehow.
The city of New Zealand were thrilled to have the movie crew back for the Hobbit. However when the studio tried low balling the local film commission that caused shooting to be hectic.
Peter Jacksons biggest enemy is unions
If there is one thing you can count on in business, it is that eventually someone will always, without fail, try to fuck over or lowball someone they had a good working relationship with on a previous project, and then it screws the new project up. I've seen it so, so many times--like is it really worth fucking up a good business relationship over saving a few bucks? The short sightedness of cheap cunts especially in Hollywood is astounding
'city' of New Zealand? 😂😂😂
New Zealand is my city.
.... the city of new zealand...??
Surprising naked bloke showing up in photo at 21:40.
Also, in a film related comment - I love the extended editions of The Lord of the Rings but I only saw the theatrical release of these Hobbit films once each at the cinema and didn't enjoy them. Just too darn long!
Not gonna lie, that running gag with Blue Harvest being the original name of every single movie gets me every time. Soon as trivia starts I should expect it, but nope 😅 giggles evertime
Am I the only one that noticed the naked dude on the scaffolding when Mason brought up Woodstock?! LOL
Loving the on screen communication between the editors, reminds me of Markeplier and Lixian, fantastic job lads!
1. As a RHCP fan I loved the editors arguing about which songs were being vaguely referenced.
2. Love how the Blue Harvest joke is getting more and more difficult to distinguish from actual trivia, thereby possibly confusing newcomers.
3. THE BOYS ARE BACK BABAYYYY!!!!!!
I particularly enjoyed the Red Hot Chili Peppers bit where Ben and Laurence went head to head attempting to recognize the songs
All respect to the legend that is Christopher lee. If you don’t know about him look him up…. Absolute legend
The Return of the Kings!
I read the Lord of the Rings while my now wife was pregnant with my first daughter. I started it at the first doctor checkup... and finished it roughly around the time she was halfway through labor. So basically an entire human developed in the time it took me to finish the damn thing. No regerts
James and Mason are not late, nor are they early. They released their video precisely when they mean to.
A surprise to be sure, but a welcome one! Nice to see y'all back in action!
The Caravan of Garbage tradition of shocking and upsetting the audience continues by playing the original Sonic theme within the first 30 seconds
21:13 Thorin: You brought dishonour to the Shire. You brought dishonour to your mum, your dad, your pony, your pantry. (False finish) and you have saved the whole of China- i mean Middle-earth. Well us specifically. Kinda. You weren't completely useless. And i guess you didn't have excrement on your face, which is a bonus i guess. So, almost-good job...ish.
Del Toro would’ve made a fun and weird trilogy
I'm so so happy to have y'all back. I hope the break was fun!!!
I love 3D I can't wait to see what gimmick from Avatar 2 ruins movie theaters for the next 10 years.
The Eagles didn't write 'Take it Easy', it's a cover of a Jackson Browne song. That's why it sounds so different.
The first two are fun, the last one is a mess, but I enjoyed that duel thorin had with the main orc. Anyway watch one of those 4 hour fan edits. I think one called the maple cut is the most well regarded
And I thought I was the only one who wondered how they wrote 'take it easy' and 'Hotel Calfifornia'. Nice mention, made me happy
My favourite bit was when the dwarves kept saying “It’s dwarvin’ time!”
God, I haven't heard someone say "off chops" in years
Brings me back to the gatorade bottle bongs in year 11
IDC, I really loved the 1st and 2nd movie. I get so immersed in that world the slow pace doesn't bother me. The first movie builds the dynamic between the dwarves and Bilbo so well it holds the bad parts of this movie and the sequels together and the payoff in the end with Bilbo and Thorin is really good and sets up his downfall in the sequels.
The Hobbit trilogy has a different approach to its storytelling and I think people compare certain aspects to the LOTR trilogy that I think it's unfair to compare to.
It's a real shame how rushed these movies were because, with time, the whole trilogy could have been so much better.
"Why couldn't the Eagles fly them right to the mountain?"
Eagles: That's some way to thank us for savin' everyone. Would you like fries with that next time? Next time someone needs to be taken to a big mountain we're not not even gonna show up. maybe at the end.
I really love you guys. Because I love the Hobbit movies. I LOVE THEM. And you guys saying "Well they're shit" and it doesn't feel mean at all or make me sad face, is pretty awesome. Anyway, always looking forward to watching your stuff. Also Bret McKenzie's new album is absolute synth pop fire
This is that special channel you find and have to watch every video because the content is that goodnight
I watched this movie 3 times. Each time I was very happy with the first half hour, yet I was bored with it by the end. Never watched the second or the third movie.
I watched each Hobbit movie several times. At release I enjoyed the first 2. I enjoyed the extended version of the third one. They're still fun to watch.
I can only hope and pray that the blue harvest running gag continues for years and years to come and I hope that on James deathbed he utters those words to his loved ones to keep them informed of that fantastic trivia!
I have a weird relationship with this trilogy. I, like anyone with a pulse, loved the lotr trilogy, and after having read the books, they have become one of my favorites. Needless to say, I was ecstatic when I learned the hobbit was being adapted into a movie. Liked the first one, thought the second was okay, and never saw the third the thirds, only ever watching it when I rented it from a rebox at a McDonald’s. All of this to say, the rankin bass version is vastly superior
You should actually watch the extended version of the 3rd movie because its only extended because of a 5 minute rated R scene when the dwarves go on a slaughter-a-thon decapitating orks left and right and its the best part of the trilogy.
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Imo the hobbit films are over hated, I remember watching the first one and it made me want to read all the books for the first time. I think they're great, not as good as lotr but I still really enjoy them and watch them at least once a year alongside lotr. Recently they showed the lotr trilogy in theaters and I wish they would show the hobbit trilogy again.
Taking it Easy was written by Jackson Browne who lived with (or below?) one of the Eagles members. He gave them that song, and that likely explains the difference in feel. Jackson Browne has written a lot of songs you'll have heard of but never knew it was him because he gave them to other artists.
There's a fan edit that greatly improves this trilogy, by Maple-Films. Pairs it down to four hours with an intermission, which plays an unused (but great) piece of music by Howard Shore. They also professionally re-colour graded every scene, to give it more of that LOTR realistic tone. Getting rid of the horrible bloomy, oversaturated look. They even fixed some poor music choices, like when it plays the Nazgul theme from LOTR, when Thorin faces Azog. There's only a few small continuity issues, but they are very easy to overlook or miss entirely.
That “laying tracks in front of a train as it’s moving” quote is actually from the making of Lord of the Rings, when they’re talking about the script changes.
I can’t believe James and Maso went where no other reviewer has dared to go, by calling the LotR movies better than the Hobbit movies.
It’s truly shocking how much I’ve missed you both
This is an example of a time when sticking closely to the source material was a bad idea.
Sure, nerds would complain if you cut down on the number of dwarves... But it's an undeniable fact that there needs to be fewer dwarves.
In book form 13 was already excessive enough, but it's slightly more acceptable in that format, but in movie form... JESUS, no one cares about at least 9 of these dwarves!
Cut it down to Gloin (just because he's related to Gimli so needs to be in there,) the love story one, the old and wise one, and *one* comic relief dwarf. That is plenty.
Bit these films didn't strictly adapt the books, they added unnecessary and fabricated plot lines and made it a bloated 3 film stretch. Whereas the original story is a nice breezy and succinct journey, this films flaw was trying to make it as grandiose as LOTR where it's merits lie as a short understated journey
@@bottlemanic I didn't say they did. Just that they stuck to the books in one element (number of dwarves) that they shouldn't have.
Honestly think you need to watch the extended edition of Battle of the Five Armies as the standard cut doesnt even make sense in places due to scenes being left out. plus most of the best bits are the extra scenes
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My TH-cam feed hasn’t been same without you guys! Hope you enjoyed your vacation!
Okay I have to be a dumb horrible nerd here, who deserves comeuppance by the end of the film...... But.... The human eye doesn't really have a hard cap on the number of frames per second it can perceive. 60 is an arbitrary number that became standardised due to it being the frequency of AC current in the some parts of the world. Newer phones have 90Hz and 120Hz refresh rates and the difference is instantly noticeable compared to 60. Better yet, try a 144Hz+ gaming monitor and look up "test ufo blur busters". You'll see that you can very much perceive the difference between 60 and 144 or higher.
Okay dumb nerd time over, someone can punch me now. Probably David Hasselhoff's Nick Fury.
Nerdsplaining always appreciated. Is there any way to view this difference, like a video you could point to? Is that even possible to have a comparison video to display it clearly on a regular iPad?
I could never fully grasp those 1080 vs 4K videos when watching on a non 4K screen.
@@TalentCaldwell There's no way to really demonstrate it on a lower refresh rate screen. You'd really need to see a high refresh screen yourself!
I hope you had an amazing break! Well deserved, love the channel, can't wait for the awesomeness to come.
There's a brilliant fan edit of The Hobbit out there. Its superior in every way and if you are Tolkien fan do yourselves a favour and seek it out. Here's the trailer to Maple films cut: th-cam.com/video/85gVFD7Dqwk/w-d-xo.html
That Third Age clip fighting the Balrog was super nostalgic. Cheers Ben and/or Laurence!
Edit: Bilbo's Blue Harvest lightsaber's a great touch.
I love this and the second movie. The dwarves are fantastic, especially Thorin. Martin Freeman is incredible aswell.
I honestly don't remember anything from these 3 movies. When you recap the plot it's like I'm watching it for the first time. All I remember is that the CGI looks like Playstation 2 graphics.
LONG HAVE I WAITED! truly fantastic start to the week, thanks guys
I didn’t know what I was missing in my life, but so glad you guys are back. I can’t wait for Smaugytime. Love the RHCP references lolol
Gosh,I wonder if Ben and Laurence just had that eagles hard hat clip in mind when they heard this or if they had to search like “Eagles hit by trebuchet. Eagles falling down. Eagles…wearing hard hat?”
Glad to see the boys are back.