Awesome video. We made HIPS a while ago here at Polar Filament. HIPS pellets are REALLY cheap, especially when compared to PLA. The only reason HIPS costs as much as it does is because it's unpopular, so there's no volume behind it in the manufacturing side. We never ended up officially launching HIPS because it really helps to have an enclosure while printing to prevent warping. HIPS doesn't like to stick to very much (which is both good and bad). We liked to use it as an INTERFACE layer for PLA supports, which works phenomenally well. It actually breaks off really easily even without dissolving it in D Limonene (which is VERY different than R Limonene by the way). HIPS filament is actually really easy to manufacture. It condenses a lot as it cools, which means we end up with a nice tight line when producing it. Usually this means that the material will be challenging to PRINT with because plastics that shrink when cooled tend to cause warping. I think I still have some of our HIPS spools from 5-6 years ago when we made it, I should track them down to see how well they aged over the years. Great video by the way (I watched the whole thing in german first before realizing you also released it on your english channel)
Thank you! It is very interesting to hear the perspective of a filament manufacturer. In terms of print bed adhesion and warping, I have to say that I didn't have any major problems. I also printed some larger objects without any problems. Regarding the German video: Next time I will definitely make a note at the beginning of the that it is also available in English 😅
I would love to see a HIPS copolymer. The ability to seal the surface with limonene has been extremely useful, and Hips is food contact safe once smoothed/sealed.
I also tried HIPS a few years ago. The print quality is very good even with not perfect settings, but I agree with polarfilament on the negative sides. I had very bad layer adhesion (way worse than ABS) and very much warping. So I ditched it. Hearing of the support material capabilities for PLA I think i'll give it a try again. Desolving in Lemonene is not an option for me (safety and cost aspects) but easy break away sounds interesting
ABS stands for Acrylonitrile Butadiene Styrene. As such, any solvent you use for HIPS will impact most ABS materials as well. The degree to which the ABS is affected will depend on the proportions of the resisn used to make the ABS and the susceptibility of the other ingredients to your solvent of choice.
A fun property some Black HIPS filaments have, is that they will develop really obvious white stress marks. I printed some parts with thin flanges with bolt holes. And noticed the part turning slightly white when I tighten the bolts.
HIPS shines as a support material for big flat ABS surfaces with no limonene required. The biggest trick is to always think of the support as needing to be peeled off. Keep the support structure flexible enough that it can be peeled. Using HIPS as only the roof and floor of a zig zag support works well and requires fewer tool changes. The ABS zig zag can be removed and then the flat HIPS roof and floor can be peeled away. I do this in Cura. I assume it can be done in Prusaslicer. On inside corners and areas with a lot of texture the hips can get interlocked with the ABS, so it isn't perfect. I usually set the support xy offset to .6 to prevent any overlap with the walls of the print and the z offset to 0 so the supported area comes out super smooth.
Great video, subscribed! I used HIPS a couple of times and heard it was a cheap dissolvable support alternative to PVA but my research agreed with yours in that it tends to still dissolve the base material as well as the supports. Still a great material to use on its own however! Glad you made a video covering it's properties, love to see these kind of videos!
I have probably used over 60KG of HIPS filament and pestered other 3D gurus about why they never mention it, so nice to see someone actually doing a good review of it. One advice though, try higher temps, i always print at 265C and get pretty strong parts, built 2 of Voron 2.4R2 with it completely, nothing failed, yet, and they are heavily used as you can see on my channel. Danke schon.
Thanks for sharing your experience. It's great to hear from someone who actually used a lot of HIPS for technical applications. Increasing the temperature is a good advice too, I'll try that out. Danke auch!
I’d just like to mention something about temperature. I printed many rc plane parts at 220 or so as slicers recommended. Brittle and weak parts. Very obvious with thin walls. I could crush the part in my hand. I read somewhere that hips is set to lower than ideal because it’s used mostly as support material. I raised to 265 and the parts became much stronger. The layer adhesion felt similar to pla. I also let my chamber soak to 40C.
This makes sense as injection moulded miniatures use polystyrene and they are solid, higher temperatures. Once people look beyond... its just a support material, then join the dots to injection moulded models, it should be obvious how good this is Easier to glue later, prime and paint.. just like injection moulded models.
Thank you for an interesting video, I have not heard of HIPS filament. It's surprisingly cheap on the big webstore - I just paid 15€ for a spool of shockling purple.
This could be a good material for where supports interface with the piece rather than the whole support itself. Dip the part in limonene and the supports become very easy to pull off
I bought some HIPS a couple months back, to try as support for ABS. I didn’t get much done with it, but it did indeed melt away with limonene, it just took longer than I expected. To be honest, it was harder to get limonene in a timely manner lol… but I have wanted to try more prints with it as support material. I also picked up Bambu’s new Support for ABS, which is HIPS (or HIPS based), but haven’t tried it yet. They don’t say anything about dissolving it in limonene, so it must be a blend of some kind. I’ll have to come up with a print to test it all on.
It's 95~99% HIPS, 1~5% additive. They don't say what the additive is. They do mention "limonene-dissolvable" in the Parameters Comparison on the webpage of the product. You gotta scroll down quite a bit.
So basically, it's like easier to print ABS, but worse in other aspects. Or more temp resistant than PETG, but also more toxic. Maybe if it'd actually be cheaper than PLA/PETG, it would fit somewhere, but as it is now... nah.
I noticed that my hips supports printed with a single wall at 0.5, when deformed showed no permanent deformation. Might also be good for printed springs.
Behaviour of HIPS in acetone is interesting. As opposed to ABS, it cannot be fully dissolved in acetone, if you drop a HIPS item into acetone, it absorbs some acetone and turns into a blob but doesn't get fully dissolved, doesn't become a liquid mixture. When it's in the HIPS surface, acetone fairly rapidly airs out. So it's pretty easy to just brush acetone onto HIPS without HIPS all just ending up on the brush, but the surface doesn't become quite attractive. I have not tried vapour smoothing because i'd struggle to do it safely, acetone vapours are spectacularly explosive. Limonene isn't very eager to evaporate under room conditions so i wonder if it'll even work.
Limonene works great for HIPS. You can actually just brush some on. Takes a couple hours to evaporate, leaving you with a smoothed part. I've also been planning an experiment using a super cheap ultrasonic fog generator to make limonene vapor for smoothing too.
Send me some also (kidding) 😁 have not seen plain polystyrene filament yet, either, but will keep an eye out if I have a use case for it. Was considering HIPS for some wearable uses but it seems like a range of TPUs might be better fit. I did not need to know that Artme filament extruder exists. May need to bury my wallet. 😅
I had been using HIPS pretty regularly for at least 5 years. Like ABS it benefits a lot from an enclosure and stationary bed. In those circumstances the parts are pretty tough in many ways. Unlike ABS it doesn't meaningfully absorb moisture. It's the only plastic I use that I don't bother to dry or put into a sealed case. I used to do the limonine support disolving but it's a mess, costly and I read the limonene leached from ABS. With good tuning and slicer settings the supports can easily separate in complete sections as if it were a negative of the printed part.
@@freedomofmotion Interesting, I usually use Tamiya airbrush cleaner, since it's the same as their model cement, just with the percentage of both ingredients nudged by a single percent so legally they can pretend it's a different product.
Wo holt ihr euer günstiges HIPS her? Ich finde kein schwarzes HIPS mehr für 15 Euro. Immer nur für 20 und mehr. Da nehm ich dann lieber PC für den gleichen Preis.
So it basically has all the negatives and 0 possitives. Noted. harder to print then PLA Damages easier then PLA more expensive then PLA needs enclosure for fumes Cannot be used as soluable support material even for ABS did i miss something? Theres literally water soluable material for supports - PVA. And adding cost of water (0$) its still cheaper then HIPS and wont melt your print.
You missed these aspects: Better temperature resistance than PLA Not more expensive than PLA, please don’t compare kg prices but currency/length Can be used as a soluble support material, you just need to use the right ABS that doesn’t contain HIPS. It’s not a perfect filament. But it’s not only negative.
That super cheap no-name filament seems to be superior in almost any aspect. Similar to my experience with brands like Fillamentum. Quite disappointing.
@@ddrmaxdan386 This site offers it for 13 €/kg + 2€ shipping to France: euroharry.com/products/euroharry-3d-drucker-filament-hips-1-75mm-1kg-verschiedene-farben (Never ordered from them though)
Wouldn't recommend HIPS for printers close to humans. The styrene is giving off very poisonous vapers. There is a video called "I had ASA Poisoning! 25 IMPORTANT Filament Answers!" and it is very informative! Only use in WELL ventilated areas without alot people in them. P.S: If you say "that's HIPS and not ASA" Yes. Styrene is the S in both of them.
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Subscribe or your filament will tangle!
Lol, I've had plenty of creators beg but this is the first time I've been threatened. I just can't risk it. Subscribed!
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Sure enough, after the video I checked my printer and the filament has tangled. Curse you JanTec
@@Aryeh56 Sorry! But I warned you ;)
Interesting Material, Danke 😊
Awesome video. We made HIPS a while ago here at Polar Filament. HIPS pellets are REALLY cheap, especially when compared to PLA. The only reason HIPS costs as much as it does is because it's unpopular, so there's no volume behind it in the manufacturing side.
We never ended up officially launching HIPS because it really helps to have an enclosure while printing to prevent warping.
HIPS doesn't like to stick to very much (which is both good and bad). We liked to use it as an INTERFACE layer for PLA supports, which works phenomenally well. It actually breaks off really easily even without dissolving it in D Limonene (which is VERY different than R Limonene by the way).
HIPS filament is actually really easy to manufacture. It condenses a lot as it cools, which means we end up with a nice tight line when producing it. Usually this means that the material will be challenging to PRINT with because plastics that shrink when cooled tend to cause warping.
I think I still have some of our HIPS spools from 5-6 years ago when we made it, I should track them down to see how well they aged over the years.
Great video by the way (I watched the whole thing in german first before realizing you also released it on your english channel)
Thank you!
It is very interesting to hear the perspective of a filament manufacturer.
In terms of print bed adhesion and warping, I have to say that I didn't have any major problems. I also printed some larger objects without any problems.
Regarding the German video:
Next time I will definitely make a note at the beginning of the that it is also available in English 😅
I would love to see a HIPS copolymer. The ability to seal the surface with limonene has been extremely useful, and Hips is food contact safe once smoothed/sealed.
@@brendanloconnell copolymer with what?
I also tried HIPS a few years ago. The print quality is very good even with not perfect settings, but I agree with polarfilament on the negative sides. I had very bad layer adhesion (way worse than ABS) and very much warping. So I ditched it. Hearing of the support material capabilities for PLA I think i'll give it a try again. Desolving in Lemonene is not an option for me (safety and cost aspects) but easy break away sounds interesting
ABS stands for Acrylonitrile Butadiene Styrene. As such, any solvent you use for HIPS will impact most ABS materials as well. The degree to which the ABS is affected will depend on the proportions of the resisn used to make the ABS and the susceptibility of the other ingredients to your solvent of choice.
A fun property some Black HIPS filaments have, is that they will develop really obvious white stress marks. I printed some parts with thin flanges with bolt holes. And noticed the part turning slightly white when I tighten the bolts.
Im just proud that i remembered what HIPS is an acronym for. Great video too!
HIPS shines as a support material for big flat ABS surfaces with no limonene required. The biggest trick is to always think of the support as needing to be peeled off. Keep the support structure flexible enough that it can be peeled. Using HIPS as only the roof and floor of a zig zag support works well and requires fewer tool changes. The ABS zig zag can be removed and then the flat HIPS roof and floor can be peeled away. I do this in Cura. I assume it can be done in Prusaslicer. On inside corners and areas with a lot of texture the hips can get interlocked with the ABS, so it isn't perfect. I usually set the support xy offset to .6 to prevent any overlap with the walls of the print and the z offset to 0 so the supported area comes out super smooth.
HIPS have always one of my fav material for parts :) glad you made this video ! nicely done
Thanks, glad to hear that.
Btw, love your printers!
Great video, subscribed! I used HIPS a couple of times and heard it was a cheap dissolvable support alternative to PVA but my research agreed with yours in that it tends to still dissolve the base material as well as the supports. Still a great material to use on its own however! Glad you made a video covering it's properties, love to see these kind of videos!
I have probably used over 60KG of HIPS filament and pestered other 3D gurus about why they never mention it, so nice to see someone actually doing a good review of it.
One advice though, try higher temps, i always print at 265C and get pretty strong parts, built 2 of Voron 2.4R2 with it completely, nothing failed, yet, and they are heavily used as you can see on my channel.
Danke schon.
Thanks for sharing your experience. It's great to hear from someone who actually used a lot of HIPS for technical applications.
Increasing the temperature is a good advice too, I'll try that out. Danke auch!
@@JanTecEngineeringyes I also printed rc plane parts at 265 and the layer adhesion was much better!
What do you normally print with it? How paintable is it?
You forgot to hide the "advertising"thing in the corner after the ad ended. Good video either way 👍
Very interesting! Loved the comment from polar perspective.
Thanks! I agree, the perspective of an actual filament manufacturer is super interesting.
Wow, JLC3DP's shipping speed is amazing!
Whenever I printed HIPS, it was surprisingly brittle. The opposite of high impact. And yes I did use a proper profile.
Thanks Jan, great quality testing and presentation.
Thank you!
Great video as always.
Great to see some applikation of HIPS
I’d just like to mention something about temperature. I printed many rc plane parts at 220 or so as slicers recommended. Brittle and weak parts. Very obvious with thin walls. I could crush the part in my hand. I read somewhere that hips is set to lower than ideal because it’s used mostly as support material. I raised to 265 and the parts became much stronger. The layer adhesion felt similar to pla. I also let my chamber soak to 40C.
This makes sense as injection moulded miniatures use polystyrene and they are solid, higher temperatures.
Once people look beyond... its just a support material, then join the dots to injection moulded models, it should be obvious how good this is
Easier to glue later, prime and paint.. just like injection moulded models.
Thank you for an interesting video, I have not heard of HIPS filament. It's surprisingly cheap on the big webstore - I just paid 15€ for a spool of shockling purple.
This could be a good material for where supports interface with the piece rather than the whole support itself. Dip the part in limonene and the supports become very easy to pull off
I bought some HIPS a couple months back, to try as support for ABS. I didn’t get much done with it, but it did indeed melt away with limonene, it just took longer than I expected. To be honest, it was harder to get limonene in a timely manner lol… but I have wanted to try more prints with it as support material. I also picked up Bambu’s new Support for ABS, which is HIPS (or HIPS based), but haven’t tried it yet. They don’t say anything about dissolving it in limonene, so it must be a blend of some kind. I’ll have to come up with a print to test it all on.
It's 95~99% HIPS, 1~5% additive. They don't say what the additive is. They do mention "limonene-dissolvable" in the Parameters Comparison on the webpage of the product. You gotta scroll down quite a bit.
@@mxrz thanks for the info! That’s kind of what I assumed on the composition. Yeah I definitely didn’t go theough the product page fully lol
So basically, it's like easier to print ABS, but worse in other aspects. Or more temp resistant than PETG, but also more toxic. Maybe if it'd actually be cheaper than PLA/PETG, it would fit somewhere, but as it is now... nah.
I noticed that my hips supports printed with a single wall at 0.5, when deformed showed no permanent deformation. Might also be good for printed springs.
great video.
Could the limonene be used to smooth HIPS? Or would acetone be better suited still, as with ABS?
Behaviour of HIPS in acetone is interesting. As opposed to ABS, it cannot be fully dissolved in acetone, if you drop a HIPS item into acetone, it absorbs some acetone and turns into a blob but doesn't get fully dissolved, doesn't become a liquid mixture. When it's in the HIPS surface, acetone fairly rapidly airs out.
So it's pretty easy to just brush acetone onto HIPS without HIPS all just ending up on the brush, but the surface doesn't become quite attractive. I have not tried vapour smoothing because i'd struggle to do it safely, acetone vapours are spectacularly explosive.
Limonene isn't very eager to evaporate under room conditions so i wonder if it'll even work.
Limonene works great for HIPS. You can actually just brush some on. Takes a couple hours to evaporate, leaving you with a smoothed part. I've also been planning an experiment using a super cheap ultrasonic fog generator to make limonene vapor for smoothing too.
another great and very useful test, thanks! It would be really interesting to see how it compares to the regular PS :)
Thanks! Is regular PS filament a thing?
@@JanTecEngineering I only saw one or two maybe :) but I plan on making some with artme lol
@@riba2233 Nice! Are you happy with the Artme?
Make sure to send me some PS filament ^^
@@JanTecEngineering still building it but I will send you some for sure, thanks :)
Send me some also (kidding) 😁 have not seen plain polystyrene filament yet, either, but will keep an eye out if I have a use case for it. Was considering HIPS for some wearable uses but it seems like a range of TPUs might be better fit.
I did not need to know that Artme filament extruder exists. May need to bury my wallet. 😅
you need (R)-(+)-Limonene and a 1:1 mix of iso probly, curious if this would work better
is a Carbon HIPS available?
I’ll have to look at what this limonene is.
I had been using HIPS pretty regularly for at least 5 years. Like ABS it benefits a lot from an enclosure and stationary bed. In those circumstances the parts are pretty tough in many ways. Unlike ABS it doesn't meaningfully absorb moisture. It's the only plastic I use that I don't bother to dry or put into a sealed case.
I used to do the limonine support disolving but it's a mess, costly and I read the limonene leached from ABS. With good tuning and slicer settings the supports can easily separate in complete sections as if it were a negative of the printed part.
Soluble in lemonade?
8:30 Please What is that Safety Green Filament 3rd from the end.
@@zakaroonetwork777 That’s Nobufil Lime Green (I have it in both ABS and PETG). There should be a link to their website in the video description.
gibt es kein Pfand auf die Flaschen?
Sounds great, since styrene "cement" in the scale model world should still work to weld part, not just glue.
Use plumbers solvent instead. Same stuff but costs about quarter of the price.
It works for PLA as well but takes longer to form a bond.
@@freedomofmotion Interesting, I usually use Tamiya airbrush cleaner, since it's the same as their model cement, just with the percentage of both ingredients nudged by a single percent so legally they can pretend it's a different product.
PS: I can't get HIPS to stick to the flat PEI sheet in any way! Also, HIPS has strong shrinkage and does not work well with non-enclosed 3D printers.
Does it smell or create toxic gasses when printing?
It releases styrene, so yes. Should be printed with a filter and/or ventilated room.
@@JanTecEngineering dang. We've got a printer in our library and we can't make this ventilated. Oh well.
Too bad in Canada, HIPS is at similar price or more expensive than PLA.
in eu it is more expensive, but not by much
set 1.25 speed
Your PETG glass transition temps don't look right. PETG should be between 80-85c
Wo holt ihr euer günstiges HIPS her? Ich finde kein schwarzes HIPS mehr für 15 Euro. Immer nur für 20 und mehr. Da nehm ich dann lieber PC für den gleichen Preis.
So it basically has all the negatives and 0 possitives. Noted.
harder to print then PLA
Damages easier then PLA
more expensive then PLA
needs enclosure for fumes
Cannot be used as soluable support material even for ABS
did i miss something?
Theres literally water soluable material for supports - PVA. And adding cost of water (0$) its still cheaper then HIPS and wont melt your print.
You missed these aspects:
Better temperature resistance than PLA
Not more expensive than PLA, please don’t compare kg prices but currency/length
Can be used as a soluble support material, you just need to use the right ABS that doesn’t contain HIPS.
It’s not a perfect filament. But it’s not only negative.
That super cheap no-name filament seems to be superior in almost any aspect. Similar to my experience with brands like Fillamentum. Quite disappointing.
Do PET-CF next.
I’m not using toxic and environmentally pollutive plastics like HIPS ABS ETC.
I can certainly understand that! There will me more eco-friendly in future tests as well.
00:59 that material is weak AF
Not at all cheap on Amazon, unfortunately.
Where are you located?
@@JanTecEngineering In France, the same filament is at 21€ per kilogram , and PLA is much cheaper (the cheaper is 15/16€)
@@ddrmaxdan386 This site offers it for 13 €/kg + 2€ shipping to France:
euroharry.com/products/euroharry-3d-drucker-filament-hips-1-75mm-1kg-verschiedene-farben
(Never ordered from them though)
@@JanTecEngineering Canada
Devolve HIPS in Cheap Gasoline or Petrol Fuel.
For HIPS is fuming toxic, go PETG
Styrene? GTFO
Fuuuuumes
Wouldn't recommend HIPS for printers close to humans. The styrene is giving off very poisonous vapers. There is a video called "I had ASA Poisoning! 25 IMPORTANT Filament Answers!" and it is very informative! Only use in WELL ventilated areas without alot people in them.
P.S: If you say "that's HIPS and not ASA" Yes. Styrene is the S in both of them.