Repairing The PCB & Monitor In An Upside-Down Nintendo Donkey Kong Arcade Machine Someone Brought Us
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It must be the Australian version
Looks like it to me
beat me to it.
I’m a little disappointed about the dirty board! Love the vids!
Didnt know you did Australian to US conversions.
I love it! " Leave all the dirt."
I would have messed that up.
Excellent work guys
I would have had a hard time with that as well.
when the customer states.. NO COSMETICS!! that means leave ALL the dirt in.. lol awesome repair job.. was this video with Joe narrating and doing the work instead of his brother??
Yes, thanks for watching
At least some compressed air.
@@mraycgz don't want to change the look. Guy said no cosmetics.
I found a 1981 Donkey Kong cab at Goodwill for $125, same thing .. .played, but folded. Cap kit and rebuilt joystick made it good as new. But ... I cleaned all the dirt. LOVE your channel. I just repaired my '71 Gottlieb Playball pin from watching your vids.
Erasing the original chip and then reburning it reminds me of an antique car joke my Dad told me about "original air" inside of a tire.
I love how these classic consoles were pretty repairable and straightforward. It seems almost everything has a pre-planned expiration date nowadays. Thank you for the video and for keeping these gems alive.
There is definitely a change in design quality sometime around 2000 IMO. Back when this was built, they weren't necessarily trying to make it last 40 years they just made it out of quality parts and it ended up lasting 40 years. After 2k the companies started designing things that they knew would die in a little bit of time, seemingly on purpose like you mentioned.
Only a handful of upside down Donkey Kongs were built and they're extremely valuable! X-D
Ah, one of the very rare Australian Donkey Kong cabs I see... ;-)
Joe, from your voice, I always thought you were older. Watching you get up and down off that floor, you are a young man! Congrats on your flexibility!
I have a DK cabinet with the D2K add-on and DKJR on a switcher. It's my prized possession and all the references in the Mario movie just make me love it even more.
I don't know what happened - I finished the board by detatching all the girders only this time not just Donkey Kong ended up on his head the whole machine did! 😂
Hearing Donkey kong fire up is going to make me listen to my Bunkner and Garcia album... The family will be so happy with me.
Those metal covers you're not returning to monitors needs to be put back. It's not a radiation shield, like what's on the yoke, but it is a Faraday cage, which protects the electronics from the verry EM fields being produced by the yoke, and external sources, as well. Thanks for the video. Was a fun one.
ok
I do enjoy watching the Magic happen, working with his hands to bring back classic games from the grave, nothing can replace the actual sticking a coin in to play a game.. Its something that reproductions and emulators can't simulate nostalgia..
That’s going to be a hard play.that way up.
But joe was making a great job of it. Big 👍.
Great repair as always there! Guess Donkey Kong was either jumping up and down too much or throwing the barrels too hard to flip the cabinet upside down. 😆
Jeez, Joe. I've never seen the second screen. I could never even get past the first ladder. But in my own defense I rarely had more than a dollar to play arcade games with. Parents thought it was a waste of time and money and didn't have the patience to wait.
the contents of that EPROM appear to have slowly erased over time; all the bad bytes had bits that were supposed to be 0's but had become 1's over time. (i.e. 00 was 80, etc). it might not be a bad idea to reburn all of them since the last time they were programmed was 30+ years ago most likely. you can generally just reburn the same data on top of the existing data if it's bit rot (all errors are 0's that turned to 1's) or if the data matches and there were no errors.
Very nice video. I agree something was mashing the power cord between that board on the cabinet and something.
I worked alot with EProms, and there's no logical reason why writing the program to a chip twice would be any better or different. At the same time, there's a fair bit of superstition and those things are temperamental, so if you have a specific way of doing things when programming chips that always works for you, keep with it!
I would've blown the dust out and probably broken something! But your 39 minute video should've been ONE minute longer.
"Give us a thumbs up for taking the trouble to film it. (Thank you)
And don't foget my brother Donnie...."
I needed a good laugh! This made my day guys. Thanks for repairing my jr monitor. It works great joe !
Love the trying to erase and re-burn the chip. Originality maintained!
I enjoy washing the entire monitor in the driveway to see the neighbor's reaction.
I understand why it is upside down. The monitor is the heaviest part and the cabinet is top heavy. I bought a cabinet yesterday and that sucker was heavy. It was in the guys basement with narrow steps and a hairpin turn at the top to get out the door. I tried pulling with an appliance dolly with "stair climbers" and couldn't get it up first step. That moment was the point I was contemplating life choices. He called his neighbor to help. He wasn't cancelling the sale!! The neighbor pulling and two of us lifting and pushing got it out. Gouged the trim panel on the door due to poor steering.... From ground level, the seller made me roll it out of the house. My arms are still aching from holding the monitor weight steady. Picking up from bottom back seemed logical. After I got home, picking up from front top seems to distribute weight better. It sits in my garage currently and plays well. Generic 60-1 card and controllers. Cabinet, monitor and Chou power supply with stopped fan appear original. If I move it to my basement, I think I am taking the monitor out.
Would have been interesting to see how a corrupted ROM dump would react in a emulator, ah the Billy Mitchell ROM mod.lool
Assuming you gat a corrupted rom to work it can be VERY unstable, while I’ve not emulated donkey Kong I’ve got a corrupted rom of a gba mega man battle network game running and it was very chaotic
I'm guessing it depends where the corruption has landed, if it's on assets like audio and tiles/textures it might make for a static mess, if it on executable code it could either stop or halt execution or change things, if corruption landed on parameter asset it could change layouts and lives, all those things would be repeatable on a corrupted ROM dump but on the physical corrupted ROM the corruption could change randomly or even environmentally causing the glitches to morph, it's almost like analogue circuit bending with the real thing.
@@imranahmad2733 that’s exactly how the cartridge is! Not consistent in the slightest, my corrupted rom dump has messed up graphics but the code still runs as intended
I'm going to make the joke before someone else does it. "That's an aussie arcade machine!"
I'd sometimes leave the screwdriver under the 2nd anode until I was ready to put things back together.
Thanks for the video Joe & Ronnie!
LOL "Leave all the dirt exactly where it is"
I don't think I've ever seen an actual sized arcade machine upside down, let alone Donkey Kong. This is truly wacky!
The top's pretty flat so I guess they couldn't tell what side was up!
lol, finally hearing someone else say "leave the dirt" on old circuitry is awesome. I've tested that theory out sooooo many times. Clean the board vs leave the dirt. Leave the dirt wins 90% of the time.
I didn't notice at first that the DK was upside down because I was too busy looking at the Choplifter in the Stargate cab. . . then he said something about it and I snapped out of it. lol
I know what you're thinking before you're thinking it I SEE ALL JOHN LILLER
There were 10 or 12 ROMs, I think 8k each.
They had the different levels's programs in them.
I remember comparing the eeprom to the factory many many years ago using a 9 pin serial eeprom reader
Back when I was trying to figure out how the game worked and how it was hacked
I don't own a Donkey Kong, but would LOVE to add it to my arcade some day. This game has GREAT sounds... have you ever heard of somebody upgrading the speakers in the cab? Perhaps with an amplified high performance subwoofer, mid, and tweeter setup?
The sounds are actually one of the game elements that get messed up in the console and PC ports of Donkey Kong.
The only way you truly experience DK is with an original machine or decent emulation through MAME.
I owned one of the better ports (Atari computers) in the early 1980s. It was one of the few ports that had all the levels decently replicated. Even the original NES port of Donkey Kong eliminated the conveyor belt (cement) level!
DK is supposed to be mono. Later games were stereo. DK had a unique, deep, bassey tone, especially in the intro music and between level music, that was not replicated well.
JOE is so specific. When he tells us what's wrong. With the machine.❤
@Joe's Classic Video Games - I held the 'Donkey Kong' high score (MAC) in my local drinking hole for two years solid, until someone trashed the machine in a burglary. The brewery replaced the best game ever made with Pacman.
I use to play Donkey Kong all the time on the Coleco Vision. The arcade version looks a lot harder.
Super quick diagnosis and repair! Easy money!
Oh... It's actually upside down. I thought that was just a joke for the thumbnail, and it was just the image on the *monitor* that was upside down... Wow. 😆
Ones of my favorites all time classics. Great game.
I like watching your videos i like working on old radios and electronics like that I've learned alot about reading and understanding schematics a bit better from your channel
Thank you for watching Michael! See you on the next one!
LOL ! the " They Got Me" sounds the same !.....cheers.
Ok Ok thats an Aussie DK they arrive here like that all the time,you should see the mess the pinballs do ! .....LOL
#7:30 Have you ever considered using the Retro Chip Tester Pro for these tests? It shows directly which ROM it is (and therefore whether it is ok, it uses the MAME database). And it can test countless memory and logic ICs.
That monitor looks AMAZING.
My guess why it would be upside down isn't the top of that heavier than the bottom.
Probably easier putting it on a dolly that way
The magic dirt helps it work along with the magic smoke.
"did he say what's wrong with it?"
"something about the picture being inverted"
It's broke
It's crazy to me that all these old games use through-hole components. You could probably print that whole board onto 1/4 of a postage stamp these days. Very cool to be able to test individual components.
It's too bad that there was no Easter edition of Donkey Kong. There's not even a lazy summer vacation edition of Donkey Kong. Since I've seen Pauline in her swimwear before.
started watchin AVGN 3 hours ago fell asleep and now im here. OK.
Welcome Ed, you've got to stop the violence man come on Ed we don't need no violence come on now Ed
haha the whole time, Im like why is Choplifter in a Stargate Cab and then Ron says the same thing. lol
See...that's what happens when you leave DK upside down...the bits leak out of the "a" chip and Joe has to re-burn it.
U did it Better than the factory joe 🔧👍
Well.... I've only ever seen the first level 😂🤣
Didn’t the customer tell you they are into one of those new age therapies where they play while suspended upside down from a bar. Sure, anybody can play normally - but can you play while hanging upside down and the stress of all the blood rushing to your head? Tricky part is getting those special quarters that fall up when you put them in the coin slot.
The owner must be a Californian ! California is the New Age Crazy Cult State.
Makes me miss my old dk cab even more 😂 to bad you cant find them here anymore, id love to have one again
@@googpix540 crap, i should have said I'm from Spain. In Europe you barely see them, as in , never . Sold mine years ago, and that came from The US
@@googpix540 lol 😂
very good !
Brilliant stuff 👍 Just wondering- why mustn’t you clean the dirt off and how does it help it?
I wonder if the sun got at that EPROM a bit too much and flipped a few bits? The back of the cabinet probably protected it for many years until it went missing.
Still, surprised the erase windows weren't covered.
Joe: I'm not very good at Donkey Kong
Also Joe: (plays an OK game by average arcade visitor standards)
Joe: That was pathetic..........
He's got a split personality sometimes...
Gotta watch more Billy Mitchell videos. That was a good one Joe. You guys are awesome!
Great video. I am having the same problem with my Donkey Kong screen. Do you have a recommendation or sell the cap kit?
nice work
Donkey Kong: Stranger Things Edition 😂
Hey Ron and Joe!!
Obviously the lack of labels wot broke it. Good job unbroking it.
Danky Kang? LUL
What is Dankey Kang
@@LyonsArcade Must be Donkey Kong when it's not working right.
"You want to leave all the dirt where it is, it helps it work". I can attest to that! Had an old b&w tv back in the '80s and '90s, one day, I decided to open it up and clean all the dust out (And boy was there a LOT of dust in it), put it back together, and, nothing.
My take on it is that the TV had made new electrical connections with the dust to help it work better, and I basically gave it brain surgery!
LoL it's not even 4 minutes in the video and two problems are identified. 😂
billy mitchel spotted ripping a flash drive out of the mainboard and scurrying back into obscurity.
Sounds like theirs a faint looping jumping sound in the background…
Be cool to see a video of your test bench setup. Curious how you are able to interchange between say a donkey board and an asteroids board. Do you have a bunch of different harnesses and power supplies? And a raster & vector monitor?
I'd like to know that too, especially since I'll be setting up a new test and repair bench in a couple of months, maybe I can be inspired by his test bench.
Is that the rare upside-down Donkey Kong cabinet from Europe? Giggle
What version of the Pocket Programmer is that? I need one
"just rolled in"
This is the only picture on the internet of the bottom of a nintendo cabinet. Which is exactly what i needed!
And how the heck do you level these machines at all?! What a dumb design.
Maybe it's in cocktail mode. He thinks it's broken check the picture it may be upside down 😅😅😅
I have a modern TL866 II Plus (USB) EPROM programmer and it cannot program 2732, 2764 etc. EPROMS. They have to be 27C32, 27C64 etc. CMOS lower voltage type.
I’ve been looking for a better (and probably older) programmer that can handle the non CMOS EPROMS but all of these older ones like the one in this video are crazy expensive $100+. 🤨
I would asked where the dk jr pcb was as the cabinet is for the dkjr game
Lindo gabinete
He plays it while doing a hand stand
Is it called a flyback because that's what happens to you if you mess with it before grounding it?
how much is that Chocobo's Mystery Dungeon ps1? is it on the ebay store?
how are the colors still so vibrant on that monitor? do they never age??
Getting my first CRT in some 20+ years btw, going to be used for old school games and emulators. can't believe i feel excited for it lol, 20+ years ago you just couldn't wait to get rid of them.
Some CRT's stay nice for a long time, the one that Nintendo put in their Donkey Kong arcade games was made by Sanyo (I'm not sure who made the actual tube) and in general, those look very nice after you rebuild them. It's like 42 years old!
@@LyonsArcade that's very impressive :)
If somebody were to make a mistake and clean off the vintage dirt, do y'all sell replacements?
the story about burning an eprom multiple times was right for me. I burned a free play rom for a harlem globetrotter and it verified perfectly for me and ran on my test setup. In the game it would not boot. the game had .2 volts higher voltage then my bench test. test clips from regulator to game board would boot but harness would fail it. solution finally was to just reinforce the burning with at least burning in the data a second time and all was well
That's a Honkey Dong..
Also i think standing the cabinet upside down wont put the magic smoke back in.
Upside down and It's broke 😂
It's a good thing you guys got it turned back over before all the electrons fell out.
Great score compared to what I can do, and you didn't even cheat to get there. Apart from the 6 lives thing.
When I was at starcade donkey Kong clearly had far too many lives as well so I think it's a simple internal modification.
What do you look for if when you plug it in all you get is a white screen?
Power Supply, Power Supply, Power Supply
Ok can you tell me where on the power supply does the white wire go from the circuit board there are two the other one has a black wire with it on the same spade to the +5
Would you care to explain why you left all the dust on it, I would clean it up since its completely out of the screen assembly.
Because you weren't here to tell us how to do it better Bjorn!
@@LyonsArcade You probably are getting me wrong, I didn't mean to tell you how to do it, I was genuinly wondering about the explanation behind the "leave the dust on, it makes it work better" comment. You clearly got experience on these machines so you probably have seen reason on why not to remove it and leave it on where it has settled itself.
@@dope002 it was just a joke, you can clean the dust off if you want
over the years tho often the really clean monitors are broke and the ones that are working the best are the ones covered in dirt :)
Sucks that you have to take the CRT out to get to the control board. Wonder why they didn't mount it on the inside of the cabinet...
At the time none of the manufacturers had remote mounted controls, they were all basically modifications from t.v.s that didn't have remote mounted controls
Mightve been the little dark haired boy who played the tennessee flat top box? 😁
And he would play 😉
It says..🙃..umm ..🧐...🙃...🧐...ahh i know..kinky dong 🙊
Guessing it fell off the turnip truck. 😳
My OCD would not allow me to leave the dirt.
How much do these typically weigh ??
200-250 pounds
Australian Kong
I have a DK cocktail I need to repair and then sell.
Maybe he plays his game on an inversion table
How high can you get ?
Hello!!!!!