How NOT To Write A Song (feat. Pat Finnerty)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 ก.ย. 2024
- It's finally here. Pat Finnerty has decided to join me here on Justin Hawkins Rides Again. Myself and @pat_finnerty go back a long time and have many an anecdote about each other. This is a really great conversation. If you enjoy Pat's work you'll love it, if you've never heard of him before...you're going to love him. Check out his TH-cam channel here: / @pat_finnerty
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“Stop Draggin My Heart Around” with Petty and Nicks is quite a good duet methinks!
That was the first one I thought of.
First single I bought with my own money at 10 years old! Still love the song.
shoot you beat me to it. i just commented before reading
Tom and stevie "insider" on Hard Promises is even better
Just jumped on here to say exactly this. Only to see someone beat me to it. Well done.
We ride for pat because he represents us and doctors it up with humor he’s like a civil liaison between musicians true music lovers terrible bands and their followers and isn’t afraid to be blunt without crossing into their bs he’s like the boondock saints without the killing but a step to calling bs and explaining why and making you laugh. IT’s balance we desperately need and was a Covid life saver. Pat is a dude and if you’ve never heard him say BIGG SHOWW your life probably needs to be tightened up. Pats the real deal. Plus Larry and Kim and BTGG so many fantastic people that are the best of us and we can relate rejoice and release years of agony and torture
Love you both
Blinds to Go Guy is my all time favorite side character. That conversation they had about Boston Market and how they have a tough road ahead absolutely destroyed me and I still think about it and it cracks me up every time lol.
@@eggoslayer1001 absolutely! Pat has a great community! I wish we’d do more all nighter campaigns for random interviews. My favorite was the US MAP and watching him check off states
You should just have an ongoing podcast show with Pat! Like once a month or whatever. It was a joy to listen to you both!
I agree the chemistry is palpable
I think once every 60 days
I second this motion.
So glad to have found this. Titans right here.
100 percent
Pat is one of the naturally funniest people on TH-cam, but also clearly knowledgeable about music. I loved this interview. His WMTSS series was a revelation, I had not laughed so much and so hard at something in a long while.
Justin + Pat = the world as it should be
Straight up my new favorite bromance lol. These dudes are great.
This is so great ... the bit about musicians/band having to serve up "content" .. and people slurping it up but not checking out the album you spent months/years creating.
Welcome to the dystopian nightmare that is the 2020's...
Calling music curated and created with care and intent "product" or "content" is just plain ol' cunty. I met a number of radio execs and a few label weasles that called music "products": Cunts.
It occurs to me that only pat song I've heard in full it wayo wayo... I should change that.
Yeah its really weird. Ive noticed some of my favourite bands have started doing this, releasing song after song on Spotify in a trickle-feed rather than a whole album all once, and the worst thing is, it works! I've noticed I'm more likely to click and listen if its a single song rather than an album. And multi-song releases are most often EPs with just a handful of songs and remixes, not LPs. Our attention spans are the casualty of social media and it sucks 😑
@@rhythmandblues_alibiShort attention spans Due to literally being trickle fed everything. It can be easily corrected. Get an mp3 player, put your phone in an annoyingly unreachable place. Lay in bed, and just listen to an album.
Pat and Justin singing A Whole New World is the stuff I need more in my life.
Complete with a little Feargal Sharkey waiver in his voice and all!
I absotively loved this...what a double act you guys are. You MUST record that Shitegiest writing sesh and share it with us all.
Stop Draggin’ My Heart Around: a rock duet paragon? Ir's got everything good. M/F vocals in the same register, high school lyrics, indiscriminate bridge modulation, backup singer "ahhhs" all over the place, and even two bars of quarter note played on the bell of the ride cymbal. Smooth as a #10 can of liquid nacho cheese sauce.
Thanks Justin. I needed to be productive this afternoon!! OH WELL. SO MUCH FOR THAT!!
But seriously, thanks! I’m guilty of at least three or four comments calling for Pat on the show. He’s a treasure!!
I should be asleep. So I'm coming at it from another direction, but it's meeting you head on.
Such an encyclopedic knowledge and human understanding of music - without excluding those of us who just dip our toes in the history of music pond. It's really special. Thank you.
Anyone else watch the long form and podcast version ? ✋
I appreciate this.
Yeah! I always listen first and enjoy just the audio and then repeat with the YT edit and take in all the added gestures and expressions. ❤
✋🏻 me! 😉
Yep! ☺️
Edit - no 🙈 I'd just woken up & misread your question 😅
Absolutely ❤❤❤
When I stumbled upon Pat's videos and I saw Justin was in them, that instantly made Pat legit in my eyes.
Great episode, Justin and Pat.
I especially enjoyed the discussion around Dire Straits, and Mark Knopfler. I'm always happy and willing to talk about the brilliance of that band and their music. My favourite Dire Straits song is "On Every Street". It's plainly a beautiful piece of music.
Solid Rock is the DS song for me
Who was the guitarist Pat was saying 'rips off' Knopfler?
@@jamesrawlings5781”really popular and has a PRS signature model”?
John Mayer
@@marcsullivan7987 Ah. Never thought he sounded like he was ripping off Knopfler, but haven't heard that much.
@@jamesrawlings5781 me neither; only in the vaguest sense of phrasing. But that’s def who they meant.
I discovered your channel through What Makes This Song Stink!!❤️
Same here!
Me too! And watching this is just the best! I’ll listen later because there’s I guess 2 more hours worth? I’ve only watched podcasts on YT. To know there’s much more Justin I’ve been missing out on, so glad I know now. But I’d love it if these two talked once a month! They’re both just amazing and I just want more.😊
Thanks for this. I enjoyed every single second of it.
Entertaining song mixes. You two are fun together. You just get it. Mutual understandings.
Can't wait to watch. Honestly Justin I had no idea about your channel until i saw ot on pats show. He got me hooked on ya which i will always be grateful for.
Love you both, your collabs have been my favorite pieces of both of your channels.
@15:35 I think what Pat does is help people recognize bad music, to help people become a little more discerning in musical appreciation, to sharpen the ear. When you can better identify the bad, you can more easily, appreciate and enjoy the good.
Two of my favorite channels come together, how fun!
The more academic scenery is very much befitting, Justin. A perusal of your collection of literature would be quite interesting, to me at least.
I’d like to second this suggestion! 😀
Count me in! I find myself trying to read the titles. I’ve gotten as far as “Dictionary”. 😅
Nice one mate! I must say, I've ignored your channel for a while. But this one, especially in podcast format, is ideal content for during my cycle rides. I've added it to my spotify playlist. Thanks!
Thank you Justin! Pat Finnerty RULES and I love all the inside banter. Thanks for the long form. Looking forward to Shitegeist
I just finished to watch it complete. I enjoyed it very much! Lots of laugh with the "Back in Black" part... The Carlos Vives' song is Pa' Mayte (It means For Mayte), Mayte is a woman's name.
It was very interesting your conversation about songs creation, and your both opinion about currently pop music.
I didn't know that you had participated in writing sessions for pop artists. In what way does it happen? I mean, who do ask to the composer the lyric? Is the artist her or himself? Is the music company? Shakira told once that she only sings songs which are related to self experiences... so having in account that she is song writer too... I can't understand that she doesn't participate herself in this kind of sessions.
An old Spanish singer, she sang copla (typical spanish music different to flamenco) told once that as well she wasn't song writer or composer she liked to meet with her songs composer to talk about the lyrics in her albums, the subject, the ideas she had, even though her own life experiences... So they composed songs by it.
I would love that you talked a little more about this stuff, because it's very interesting for people like me who aren't musicians.
In my opinion, the big problem in music industry currently is the same than in the rest of activities. Everything is under the control of big companies which monopolize the industry and market, they only want accumulate money and they don't care the art itselfs, only the result quick, easy and commercial. So the most of singers, bands...look like made by design, everybody sounds equal...
Such chemistry. You two should do this more often.
You two are the best. Loved this one. Thank you.
Spanish City was an amusement park with rides and gambing bandits in Whitley Bay back in the day with a great roller coaster, a popular hang out with a one way system the boy racers loved. Today they redeveloped it. Love Knopfler, was introduced to Straits by my cousin when I was 10 and loved them and Knopfler since, really cool guy that played classic blues on a resonator (I believe the one on the Album cover) a lot in pubs up here when he was younger. Sadly I never got to see that as he was massive when I was young. Brian Johnson is awesome, such a down to earth guy, sometimes (when back here in UK) you can see him in Gosforth in his flat cap just wandering along the street (I wanted to talk but never worked up courage and didnt want to harrass him when I did see him)
......down to earth and epic performer.
In John frusciante's defense, he played the solos on The Mars Volta's Francis the mute.
1:28:15 best description of Bon Scott's voice I've ever heard
This made my day - love you both!!
F antastic curls
R adiant sunglasses
A wesome bass
N oble outfit
K ind persona
I mpecable sound
E xtraordinary cowbell!!!
Much love to Frankie!❤
I have a recurring dream in which I go up on stage with The Darkness and I play the cowbell!!!😁
Maybe someday...🥹😊🫶🏻
You get lots of points 🫵🫵🫵🫵🫵🫵🫵🫵🫵🫵🫵🫵🫵🫵
Best ep. Love both of your channels, but hadn't seen the connection until watching this
This is money! Ain't no clam with this podcast!
I forgot how good Dire Straits was and is Thanks .
As always thanks Justin a great few hours of great listening
Leather and lace is s a wonderful song
Great chat! I'm not familiar with Pat's work, but I'll check it out!
It's amazing you just had a funny conversation, but along the way you came up with the formula for the perfect pop song.
This was excellent. Would love to hear more from you both, together. My two favorite music youtube channels combined! Also, I've gotta go with Telegraph Road for best DS song.
I bet Rick Beato doesn't know about the Starburst theory of music.
The best verse melody might be Kiss from a Rose.
Please do this regularly! You have great chemistry
That was an overall phantastic episode! Love both guys, love the Knopfler-talk....and i just happened to watch the Johnson/Knopfler-episode yesterday. Brilliant stuff!
Where do you guys stand on "Dead Ringer for Love"?
NGL, I think it's pretty awesome. "Rock 'n roll and brew, rock 'n roll and brew..."
Islands in the Stream!
Also most Lionel Ritchie duets? *chef's kiss*
My vote for a Finnirty monthly chat.
59:33 That beat that Pat says, Bad Bunny, is (bloody) reggaetón , and as Justin says it comes from African Caribbean beats, Puerto Rico.
We need more of you both
I just have to say, I know all the lyrics to back in black. Have since I was 12. I am now 48. If I was asked to go up and sing it, I would probably forget half by the time the music starts. And that's maybe with my buddy asking me to sing it in front of 20 people. If Brian Johnson asked me to sing it on the fly in front of thousands of people, I would be lucky to get the chorus in.
The episode I have been waiting for!!!!!
Hi Justin! Really enjoy your sense of humor and musicianship...
You look more like Jagger every day...
Hugs brother
I need more pat finnerty
Scott Walker - Blanket Roll Blues - excellent mark guitar work
Love the Tunnel of Love diversion. My favorite Dire Straits song too... but the other sleeper that I might put ahead of it (depending on the day) would be Romeo and Juliet
A great chat went to a new level when the Dire Straits discussion came out.
Love it, great!!!
Also he's a Richard Thompson fan. And likes the hives. The band. Not the allergic reaction.
You guys are hilarious! I love your song mashups !
The Starburst analogy is perfect.
1:08:48 "Gimme Gilmour all day", hell yeah! 🤟 My brother @pat_finnerty rules! 🤘
I can't believe i forgot about Pat Finnerty. Thank you for reminding me. He's funny as hell. I love your Beatles knuckles, I've been listening to the hell out of them lately
I’d like to put forth Dead Ringer For Love as the third great rock duet. Awful to hear at karaoke but a great song.
i am HERE! for talking about Dire Straits and Mark. they are talking about Tunnel Of Love which is amazing, but for me Expresso Love has this intro i just love. with this awesome guitar riff going with this piano lead playing over it.
I work in a supermarket. We did have a Replacements song on our overhead music for a while! I don't remember which song but it was not Bastards of Young, but it also wasn't one of the Paul solo type songs (ie not Skyway or Within Your Reach); it was one that rocked.
This satisfies me. "Unsatisfied"?
@@TheBrettWilson It was something like Can't Hardly Wait or Talent Show. On one hand, Sadly we no longer get that mix of music so I can't remember which song it was, but on the other hand that mix also had the Macarena and Who Let The Dogs Out and a bunch of other gimick songs I don't like.
@@charlesclark3840 Shit. Now I've got Who Let the Dogs Out in my head! 🤯
Great conversation, awesome chemistry!
(also realized that I was completely unintentionally playing my band-signed 3 Doors Down Squier throughout -- there's a story behind that, Pat -- hit me up!)
The starburst analogy is pure genius
Re: good contemporary music being drowned out, part of the issue is the algorithm. Discerning taste has been surrendered to the repeating playlist. My girlfriend has a Spotify subscription and can add me on it so I can access all sorts of music. But I never go through with it. So much music now is digested in minute form by TikTok videos. Before that, it was which song got chosen for the latest Apple advert. Sure, I could sign up for Spotify and slowly teach its algorithm what I like, or I could continue to play the same stuff I like in iTunes (itself a departure from having to pick something in physical form and put it in the machine) and not risk a clam-song moment that has invaded my streaming playlist. Old man shouts at cloud indeed.
Off topic, JH, but man your outfit is killer. I need to start spontaneously wearing snazzy suits on top of my casual tops. Really steals it
JHawk and Finnerty together is like peanut butter and jelly. I'll leave it up to you to decide which is which. Fantastic conversation, fellas :)
Did NOT expect to hear the name Carlos Vives for the first time in 2 decades
Love it
Worlds Colliding 👏🏻
It was turned into a Scotch video tape ad, with a skeleton... As soon as he started singing the tune, I started singing the advert version. 🤣
I was listening and kind of distracted as I was grilling halibut and I thought I misheard them saying something that sounded like Shitegeist and I was like “that’s a great name for a band” then I started to pay attention again and I realized that they did say Shitegeist and it’s brilliant
Love the Dire Straits/Knofler convo, brilliant.
If this were 1983, I'd be waiting for the Bikram Yoga Woman/Hogtied split 7".
Oh shit Pat Finnerty made it to Justin Hawkins!
The E would not be the root in F# 7. The root is always the root. in the 3rd inversion E would be the bass note f# would be the root.
Fellas, there is no purple Starburst. Regards
Don't go breaking my heart honourable mention
Another way of saying what Pat was trying to say regarding Starbursts would be to quote Corey Taylor. "the inhale that makes the exhale so much better."
How can you talk about Frusciante for minutes without talking about his upbringing or vocals. Even if you personally don’t like his riffs or guitar playing (even though he is a very tight player) his vocals are usually phenomenal and he has great stage presence too. The dude bounced back impressively from an addiction that cost him his house and gear in a fire, his teeth, and nearly his arms and his life. There’s way more players I can list who deserve to be called overrated.
That's all good and well, but backup vocals, surviving a fire, and surviving addiction don't make him a better guitar player. I respect the hell out of the dude, I certainly recognize that he isn't a slouch-but he's not even the best RHCP guitarist. Navarro is a good deal more talented and WAY more dynamic. Good on Frusciante for turning his life around, though.
@@joeymarvin9559 He’s still not overrated, whether he was the “best” guitarist in RHCP skill wise or not. The appeal of Frusciante mostly isn’t his shred skill (even though he has the ability) but mostly his song writing, melody crafting, chord shapes, and backing vocals. It’s not like I’d call Jimmy Page overrated just because Jeff Beck is a “better guitarist”. They’re both good for their own reasons. I will agree with you that Navarro is quite underrated as a guitarist tho.
Iv been a Pat fan for a while...Im pretty sure were the same age 43 but when he was talking about watching Cheers and Night Court totally related...Cheers is the best TV theme song of all time😂
I like the orange Starburst! I get what Pat is saying, though. You need evil to know good!
"Penny Lane" nice job on Paul for the melody and the chords. If you check the structure beneath the melody I think it changes key with literally every beat! It's kind of in a space there where it doesn't get any better and yet actually it's lifted from a standard called "Stardust" I think. "Stardust" is a great song too but where you really get into the weeds with "Penny Lane" is unlike "Stardust" it resolves on some crazy weird chords.
"Touching me eeeee-ewwwww. Touching you-ewwww-ewwww. Touching me me 'cause you're touching you." Or wait, it think I fucked that up. Got it reversed. Hold on. "Je-yustin Hawkins Rides Again- uhhhhhgaehn!" Bleugh!
Isn't a sus chord when you replace a note in the chord with a 4 or 2 or whatever but an add chord still has the normal notes plus the ADDition
just a comment to start watching... You are perfect with your wind dried hair...😊❤
7.28.... Frankie is elegance in person, even in sports clothes, of course! 😂
Lots of great info, great fun. Bravo, gentlemen. And yes, please, please Bikram Yoga Woman, won't you?
YES TUNNEL OF LOVE. Could it really be any other way. And I like Puth's Marvin Gaye.
Almost Paradise by Ann Wilson and Mike Reno is a solid rock duet.
1:03:00 - BEATO !
416,000🎉
Tainted Love. Gimme a contemp pop song that good.
Add to the top duets - Freddie Mercury and Monserrat Cabale singing Barcelona at Barcelona. Fantastically uplifting.
Wow what a collab!?!?
It's about time!!
My guy out here looking like a THPS 2 character
Hey now-don't forget about Elton and Kiki or Marvin and Tammi!
Dreams do come true
I still only listen to albums
Great discussion guys. I'm a huge fan of both of you. I have massive respect for you both. I gotta say though, John Frusciante's work with the Mars Volta was amazing. I'm pretty sure he's on the albums Frances the Mute and Amputechture. I know for a fact that he played almost all of the guitar stuff on Amputechture, while Omar (the actual guitarist of that band) stuck to producing the album. My favorite guitarist of all time is Omar Rodriguez Lopez. You don't have to be the best player to be my favorite. I think I'm possibly a better guitarist, technically, than John and Omar. I can probably play more challenging parts than they can, but there's a certain magic that they have together that I'll never be able to access. That being said, when it comes to RHCP, I love a lot of their songs, but I'm more interested in John's rhythm parts in that band than with his solos.
Pat casually dropping a Beato has made my Monday un-shit.
It felt less casual and more....instinct or second nature at this point LOL it was like a tic!
He's playing a flat 7 over the 4 chord implying an add11#. Beato
timestamp?
6 months later, and it also made my Monday better