History podcasting legend Mike Duncan and Dan talk about Mike's new book on the pivotal early era of Rome's road from Republic to Empire. www.dancarlin.... / dancarlin
I've listened to most of Carlin's podcasts, and I'm currently at the Theodosius in THoR (I started 2 months ago, give me some time). Hearing these guys talk is just perfection. For a history buff like myself with no degree in history (pol.sci) except around 30 credits, listening to this is just what makes me tick. Escaping from the craziness of today, to just realize, uhm, everything was crazy af before too, is what we all need to do. imo. Duncan! Carlin! You guys just keep it up, and I'll continue buying your books, and contributing anywhere I can so you guys can keep this up forever.
Wow 11 minutes in, when the guest said, roman politics became more confrontational in its politics, when they used to compromise , it instantly put to my mind, American politics today, polarized parties each new president undoing the last ones work, is this the beginning of our end?
I have been listing to Mike Duncan, since he first started, history of Rome, his mix of scholarship and accessible and often humorous p;aim s[eeking, is so refreshing gotta go buy book now!
you answer literally everything i really wanted to know about history and you cut out the deluded romanticism which is much more rewarding to listen to logically. thank you for doing this. keep true knowledge alive brother.
Oh heck yeah! I've listened to this guys whole history of Rome series while working. Missed him terribly when I came to the end of it. My dream is to go to his history of Rome tour he did awhile ago.
I don't know what to do with all of this new material! I hope this doesn't mean I won't hear from you for a year... Thank you for all of this Dan, and all of you guys behind the scenes.
Sorry Dan but Mike Duncan’s history of Rome is my favourite history podcast series of all time. However, Blueprint for Armageddon is a close second. Does anyone know what Mike’s next project is? I just finished his Revolutions. Thankfully I have Dan’s Alexander series to look forward to! Thanks fellow history fans
I love the part about the provincial tax collectors and the pseudo-corporations. I really enjoy learning about the more “mundane”, day-to-day - even rote - aspects of civilizations. Does anyone have any recommended reading on this subject for the Roman or other eras?
This was awesome! Always wanted to hear these two interact. Interesting that their formats are basically complete opposites. Dan does a small number of longform episodes on lots of different themes/narratives, Mike does a bunch of short episodes on a single theme/narrative.
That bit at the end reminds me of the struggle of modern day US territories. Granted they aren’t absolutely the same but many of the grievances of the past are felt now here. I hope one day things change.
Wade wealthy for the few that can enjoy it. Since you guessed spot on I’m from Guam, you should also know that there are a lot of people here that join the service. I have nothing but admiration for my family and friends that choose to enlist in the US military, but the military as an organization hasn’t just been sunshine and rainbows. We got 2 branches of the military already stationed here and we are about to get a third. How much do we have to give? All we got are representatives who’s authority in the US political system is questionable at best. Our environment is being ravaged by invasive species like the Brown tree snake and the Rhino beetle. The former in particular was brought here by the US. But we are wealthy yes, for the few. The average citizen however gets squat and our home just like most of Micronesia is used mainly by these ‘greater powers’ without asking the people. To me and most of us who call Micronesia home, that is wrong.
@@michaelcastro9026 I know all of that. I spent three years there. As for wealth, I wasn't referring to millionaires, but the island in general, as compared to say, Saipan or Chuuk.
@@petebondurant58All that development doesn't change the fact that the people of Guam and many of the territories lack adequate representation. It doesn't help that our past Governor in my opinion was mostly a tool for off-island/stateside companies. At least Sa'ipan and islands in the FSM have their political status figured out. The Territory limbo that we're in can't and shouldn't last indefinitely.
@@michaelcastro9026 Well, since 9/11, Guam has become far more important militarily. They should have asked for independence at some point between the end of the Cold War and 9/11. It's not going to happen now.
Remember waiting for the new ThoR to download on my iTunes. One of the highlights of the week. Sad day when it was over. Then I discovered Dan and it filled the gap. Both men have different styles in that Mick was as regular as clockwork and I know he took much pride in that where Dan goes for the epic that takes more time. Both are by far the best at they do imho.
Wasn't it Octavian Augustus the greatest reformist in Rome's history, I mean he introduced the land ownership limit, he nullified the former law which forbade the marriage between the plebs and patritians and he introduced the emancipation as a reward instead of it being s punishment as before. That made it so that no one man could do what Cesar did before by acquiring enough money to raise an a sufficient army, as well as made it possible for plebians to gain status via marriage as well as for poor young men to enter army knowing that all their earnings would be theirs, Which further made his army inexhaustible. Before, those soldier pays went to their pater familias which makes those before mentioned change a revolution in making the army professional. My source is my Roman law textbook, the historic part.
We ARE, in fact, dealing with a land issue in the United States. We are killing our soils with terrible management (sometimes mandated by law...) and hardly any Americans are farmers anymore. There is still time to pull out of the soil-killing death spiral. Some kids are getting into organic farming (which, as it turns out, grows more food anyway according to studies in Nature).
It seems to me that corporations are now getting into the private army business like the romans did before. It’s the corporations that take in more and more the role of the state. Is that analogy working?
Want to point out, you're comparison to Iraq and Gaul - oil might be a good equivalent to slaves, since energy = labor (sometimes). And the benefits accruing to a tiny elite...
Well mate it's impossible to go past the tour de force written by Australian author Colleen McCullough for this period. The "Masters of Rome" series of intensely accurate and penetrating historical novels.
Yes but we live in an era of hyper-specialization and interdependency. Not to mention instant, widespread communications. Our middle class has been largely wiped out (by Central Bankers). We appear more homogeneous, but are also much more fragile. I'd love to hear DC's thoughts on monetary corruption as a destabilizing force.
I think that William Shakespeare plays a very big part in why Rome is so big today. It's a story that would have been much less popular without his plays and also you have to give credit to the work of Edward Gibbon. Therewas just as much drama and bloodshed in Persia or China but Shakespeare and Gibbon didn't write about those places and times.
Copy and paste: So I wash talking to this girl and this poha says he is her boyfriend or somethings like that, so I says "hey poha, I am talkings to this girl and you are being rude poha caralho" so I chokes him out and take his belch and his womans.
Was thinking and started wondering how large the Roman empire was compared to America. Looking at a map saved someplace deep in the recesses of my mind I started thinking hell it was actually much smaller than the USA by a large percent. So I googled it and yes it was actually much smaller than the USA. Rome at its peak was about 5 million square KM. The USA is just over 9 million. So just incase you are thinking about these things there it is.
Danny boy, i've listened to all your hardcore histories MANY times. I think i've listened to blueprints to the armageddon at least 15 times, maybe more. You are the best. P.S. ben is an illusion! P.S.S. Try listening to a guy on youtube named isaac arthur. I'm going to give him a tie with you on how much i enjoy listening to him. Think of him as you, but with the future.
I've watched all of your more produced content, good to know I still have much enjoyable addendum content to listen to! I particularly liked the deep analysis of the causal relations on how the republic fell. I would push a little on your ending remarks. Maybe as americans you dont see the parallels between late roman empire and europe today, you being surrounded by water and a stable country in most of your border. The coming years will show how the EU will respond to these rising problems, right now I would rate them lowly, mostly just dismissing the problems and demonizing the populists bringing them up. Hopefully europe will be able to stabilize, but I wouldnt definitely scuff at the problems we are having.
it sounds like a big takeaway in terms of america and parallels to collapsing rome is the disparity in wealth. this is clearly an increasing issue here in the US. i dont see it getting better anytime soon either.
There was a great disparity of wealth in every society that ever existed in history. The difference between say, Rome and the US, is that people aren't starving in the US. In fact, even homeless persons are obese in the US today.
Hey Dan, I might suggest doing some more audio mastering before you release these. This one is pretty tough to listen to given how different the volumes are on your two voices.
Before Julius Caesar’s calendar reform, years were just named after the two consuls that ruled that year with year zero being the year Romulus supposedly founded Rome
When lincoln decided that the south could not suceed from the Republuc, wasnt that the end of the Republic? Once states can not leave the Union the Union ceeses to be a Republic and becomes an Empire.
Julius Caesar was never emperor. To answer the OP, in light of historical perspective it would undoubtedly be Marcus Aurelius, his philosophy still brings a lot of insight, depth, and understanding to even the complications of modern challenges. He is the apex of what the Socratic line called for in a noble Greek ruler, that of a philosopher king. However, logistically speaking for the time of the Romans it would have to be Augustus as he set the political standard for all rulers that came after him.
crimsonsamuraiftw -- I know he wasn't. Hence the "Didn't need the title" bit. Was supposed to be a little tounge-in-cheek. If we allow eastern emperors, I have always been partial to Justinian. The hagga sophia is one of the most beautiful constructions of the classical world, in my opinion.
Uh the "Republic" got here because Entertainment professionals somehow thought they taught " HISTORY " better than those who recorded it in the Original Latin Text.
Are the Italian non-Roman citizens akin to Mexicans in the US today? They want in, they've been part of the US system for a long time, and eventually they'll fight for equality.
I don't think its wise to directly compare any two situations like that. These are two different situations with different causes. Italians within the roman republic served in the military. Mexicans within USA contribute to the economy. The italians ended up being part of the Republic due to their homelands being brought under Roman rule, either by diplomacy or by military conquest. Mexicans ended up in the US largely by their own initiative... with individuals migrating out of their own choice. Whatever conclusions you wish to draw from this is up to you, but I don't think it's wise to predict the future by looking at the past.
I have to disagree on the terminology on how the Roman system worked. He uses the term clans to describe the families, though that is a far more Nordic and insufficient term. What I prefer is mafia families, and if we want to go further, the Kings of Rome were the cosa nostra were there was an elected leader for life, whilst afterwards it was a bit more like ‘ndrangheta, with many different families vying for control
I think Clan is more technically correct than mafia families. Where I am from in Scotland we use the term clan and it fairly accurately describes the structure and relationships of a Roman Family.
i don't know though, clients are mafia like, as are people that you send for "errands" and there is always the leader of the family which is male in the mafia and everyone is endebted to him. Ambition is very strong amongst mafia families. I'm from Italy, and it feels somehow that it just is a better description overall. Clan sounds a bit of early repubblican purity, without bribery (mafia), nepotism (mafia) etc.
true, but It's far better to say a goverment within a goverment. Let me explain: they act as if they were a goverment within a goverment even if it's illegal. When you remove the illegal part, you have roman reppubblic
I've listened to most of Carlin's podcasts, and I'm currently at the Theodosius in THoR (I started 2 months ago, give me some time). Hearing these guys talk is just perfection. For a history buff like myself with no degree in history (pol.sci) except around 30 credits, listening to this is just what makes me tick. Escaping from the craziness of today, to just realize, uhm, everything was crazy af before too, is what we all need to do. imo. Duncan! Carlin! You guys just keep it up, and I'll continue buying your books, and contributing anywhere I can so you guys can keep this up forever.
Wow 11 minutes in, when the guest said, roman politics became more confrontational in its politics, when they used to compromise , it instantly put to my mind, American politics today, polarized parties each new president undoing the last ones work, is this the beginning of our end?
@Don Iguana apparently for all western democracies not just the U.S.
Our end is damn near.
Yeah dictator within 50 years for sure.
you couldn't tell that this was all just a veiled orange man bad video?
2021 and still not looking great for us
Love these shorts, love em even more when they're about Rome.
I don't think Romans wore shorts.
@@SimonAshworthWood ..."Funki Butticus"
oh how the meaning of this comment has changed over the years
Am I the only one that clicks on a Dan Carlin video & then automatically hits the thumbs up?
shananagans5 yeah sure, you are his lone fan.
Me too!
Yup, your the only one on the internet that does that. You are special unique and beautiful
Hell yes. Dan has such a high work ethic that satisfaction is guaranteed.
I would if he would shut up about current politics.
I have been listing to Mike Duncan, since he first started, history of Rome, his mix of scholarship and accessible and often humorous p;aim s[eeking, is so refreshing gotta go buy book now!
you answer literally everything i really wanted to know about history and you cut out the deluded romanticism which is much more rewarding to listen to logically. thank you for doing this. keep true knowledge alive brother.
Oh heck yeah! I've listened to this guys whole history of Rome series while working. Missed him terribly when I came to the end of it. My dream is to go to his history of Rome tour he did awhile ago.
maybe post Covid he will do another one?
I don't know what to do with all of this new material! I hope this doesn't mean I won't hear from you for a year... Thank you for all of this Dan, and all of you guys behind the scenes.
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Love listening to these while working. The passionate delivery of history is top shelf A-1 premier content! Keep it up
I found Mike Duncan back in 2010. Avid follower ever since.
Got me the book, amazing read. wow
The melted stone confusion reminds me of a quote by Churchill ="A Lie makes it halfway around the world while the Truth is lacing on it's boots ."
Thanks Dan! I loved you in ANCHORMAN and ANCHORMAN 2. Sports and History, That's awesome. love that cowboy hat btw
two of my favs! thanks Dan great as always.
Actually Colleen McCullough ‘s Masters of Rome series covers this era in serious detail. Great reads.
Sorry Dan but Mike Duncan’s history of Rome is my favourite history podcast series of all time. However, Blueprint for Armageddon is a close second. Does anyone know what Mike’s next project is? I just finished his Revolutions. Thankfully I have Dan’s Alexander series to look forward to! Thanks fellow history fans
Ohhhh hell yeahhhhhh thanks 🤩🤩Dan !!!!!!!!!!!! God bless you dude !
New format is a good refresher, keep it up Dan.
I love the part about the provincial tax collectors and the pseudo-corporations. I really enjoy learning about the more “mundane”, day-to-day - even rote - aspects of civilizations. Does anyone have any recommended reading on this subject for the Roman or other eras?
This was awesome! Always wanted to hear these two interact. Interesting that their formats are basically complete opposites. Dan does a small number of longform episodes on lots of different themes/narratives, Mike does a bunch of short episodes on a single theme/narrative.
That bit at the end reminds me of the struggle of modern day US territories. Granted they aren’t absolutely the same but many of the grievances of the past are felt now here. I hope one day things change.
Guam is the wealthiest place in Micronesia.
Wade wealthy for the few that can enjoy it. Since you guessed spot on I’m from Guam, you should also know that there are a lot of people here that join the service. I have nothing but admiration for my family and friends that choose to enlist in the US military, but the military as an organization hasn’t just been sunshine and rainbows. We got 2 branches of the military already stationed here and we are about to get a third. How much do we have to give? All we got are representatives who’s authority in the US political system is questionable at best. Our environment is being ravaged by invasive species like the Brown tree snake and the Rhino beetle. The former in particular was brought here by the US. But we are wealthy yes, for the few. The average citizen however gets squat and our home just like most of Micronesia is used mainly by these ‘greater powers’ without asking the people. To me and most of us who call Micronesia home, that is wrong.
@@michaelcastro9026 I know all of that. I spent three years there. As for wealth, I wasn't referring to millionaires, but the island in general, as compared to say, Saipan or Chuuk.
@@petebondurant58All that development doesn't change the fact that the people of Guam and many of the territories lack adequate representation. It doesn't help that our past Governor in my opinion was mostly a tool for off-island/stateside companies. At least Sa'ipan and islands in the FSM have their political status figured out. The Territory limbo that we're in can't and shouldn't last indefinitely.
@@michaelcastro9026 Well, since 9/11, Guam has become far more important militarily. They should have asked for independence at some point between the end of the Cold War and 9/11. It's not going to happen now.
Still killing it Dan, excellent!
@25:12 Eisenhower is Trajan, but I agree it is hard to push a narrow historical analogy to modern circumstance on many others.
Love these conversations between you two! I would love to be smack dab in the middle lol.
I love his podcast on the history of rome
Colleen Mccullough really deserves some credit in this context. Her series 'Masters of Rome' is fantastic and deals with this period in particular
That’s historical fiction
oh sheit Dan Carlin and mike Duncan
Remember waiting for the new ThoR to download on my iTunes. One of the highlights of the week. Sad day when it was over. Then I discovered Dan and it filled the gap. Both men have different styles in that Mick was as regular as clockwork and I know he took much pride in that where Dan goes for the epic that takes more time. Both are by far the best at they do imho.
Got this book for Christmas. I've been back logged with various history/historic fiction books, but hoping to start it soon.
dan carlin is legend
Wasn't it Octavian Augustus the greatest reformist in Rome's history, I mean he introduced the land ownership limit, he nullified the former law which forbade the marriage between the plebs and patritians and he introduced the emancipation as a reward instead of it being s punishment as before.
That made it so that no one man could do what Cesar did before by acquiring enough money to raise an a sufficient army, as well as made it possible for plebians to gain status via marriage as well as for poor young men to enter army knowing that all their earnings would be theirs, Which further made his army inexhaustible. Before, those soldier pays went to their pater familias which makes those before mentioned change a revolution in making the army professional.
My source is my Roman law textbook, the historic part.
We ARE, in fact, dealing with a land issue in the United States. We are killing our soils with terrible management (sometimes mandated by law...) and hardly any Americans are farmers anymore. There is still time to pull out of the soil-killing death spiral. Some kids are getting into organic farming (which, as it turns out, grows more food anyway according to studies in Nature).
It seems to me that corporations are now getting into the private army business like the romans did before. It’s the corporations that take in more and more the role of the state. Is that analogy working?
Awesome work
Great job.
“Jenghis” Khan had me smirking ngl
Damn I was hoping it was Duncan Trussel
meme theif Same
meme theif me too
lol me too
Lmao straight up I thought during intro he was referring to drunk history
Want to point out, you're comparison to Iraq and Gaul - oil might be a good equivalent to slaves, since energy = labor (sometimes). And the benefits accruing to a tiny elite...
Dan? Mike? Yes please!
Good interview
Well mate it's impossible to go past the tour de force written by Australian author Colleen McCullough for this period. The "Masters of Rome" series of intensely accurate and penetrating historical novels.
Yes but we live in an era of hyper-specialization and interdependency. Not to mention instant, widespread communications. Our middle class has been largely wiped out (by Central Bankers). We appear more homogeneous, but are also much more fragile. I'd love to hear DC's thoughts on monetary corruption as a destabilizing force.
Was it Sula who exclaimed: " Videand consules ne quid Respublica detrimenti capiat" when Cesar was made protector of Rome?
I think that William Shakespeare plays a very big part in why Rome is so big today. It's a story that would have been much less popular without his plays and also you have to give credit to the work of Edward Gibbon. Therewas just as much drama and bloodshed in Persia or China but Shakespeare and Gibbon didn't write about those places and times.
Yesssss Dan!
Hey Renato, where did you get your Black Belch poha?
I knocked a guy out with a front kick and his girlfriend took it off his waist and gave it to me porra caralho.
Copy and paste: So I wash talking to this girl and this poha says he is her boyfriend or somethings like that, so I says "hey poha, I am talkings to this girl and you are being rude poha caralho" so I chokes him out and take his belch and his womans.
Heefer is bad for you !
What's the difference between a dictator and a warlord?
The iceberg was Pergmon, the lid was off the honeypot.
Was thinking and started wondering how large the Roman empire was compared to America. Looking at a map saved someplace deep in the recesses of my mind I started thinking hell it was actually much smaller than the USA by a large percent. So I googled it and yes it was actually much smaller than the USA. Rome at its peak was about 5 million square KM. The USA is just over 9 million. So just incase you are thinking about these things there it is.
terry breedlove pay the pp
Danny boy, i've listened to all your hardcore histories MANY times. I think i've listened to blueprints to the armageddon at least 15 times, maybe more. You are the best.
P.S. ben is an illusion!
P.S.S. Try listening to a guy on youtube named isaac arthur. I'm going to give him a tie with you on how much i enjoy listening to him. Think of him as you, but with the future.
Duncan is the shit.
Duncan's podcast is the shit
I've watched all of your more produced content, good to know I still have much enjoyable addendum content to listen to! I particularly liked the deep analysis of the causal relations on how the republic fell. I would push a little on your ending remarks. Maybe as americans you dont see the parallels between late roman empire and europe today, you being surrounded by water and a stable country in most of your border. The coming years will show how the EU will respond to these rising problems, right now I would rate them lowly, mostly just dismissing the problems and demonizing the populists bringing them up. Hopefully europe will be able to stabilize, but I wouldnt definitely scuff at the problems we are having.
it sounds like a big takeaway in terms of america and parallels to collapsing rome is the disparity in wealth. this is clearly an increasing issue here in the US. i dont see it getting better anytime soon either.
There was a great disparity of wealth in every society that ever existed in history. The difference between say, Rome and the US, is that people aren't starving in the US. In fact, even homeless persons are obese in the US today.
Relisten to the first 15 minutes in 2021
Hey Dan, I might suggest doing some more audio mastering before you release these. This one is pretty tough to listen to given how different the volumes are on your two voices.
Dan, please please get duncan again! He's free , wrangle him!!
Yes!!!!!!
Taxes are slavery. Face it. We are slaves
When is Hardcore History Addendum going to be added to Stitcher?
Where is the first episode???
The importing of massive amounts of slaves may be analogous to investment in automation, in regards to displacing more workers? Just a thought.
Is there any index or do I just have to watch all of the videos to find out what they are
Joe Rogan podcast sent me anyone else?
Joe sent me here years ago and I’ve been following Dan since. I listen to the Celtic holocaust twice a year. These podcasts are amazing .
What year did these people say they were living in? They didn't call it 44bc 144 bc ect. What did they say?
Before Julius Caesar’s calendar reform, years were just named after the two consuls that ruled that year with year zero being the year Romulus supposedly founded Rome
44 BC would have been known as the consulship of Caesar and Antonius, or less commonly as the 709th year after the founding of the city.
is it weird that im listening to these at the age of 12?
yes but a good weird thing
Kaiser Willhelm ist älter als 12. Hochstapler!
No one cares about your age. Just stfu and enjoy the content
You still listening at 15? @Frederic The Great
@@elfdog2915 of course
Duncan is Rome
Fuckin Dominoes!
If this holds true, Trump is Sulla and Clinton is Marius. Message me.
People care abour Gaius Julius Caesar because they feel powerless.
When lincoln decided that the south could not suceed from the Republuc, wasnt that the end of the Republic? Once states can not leave the Union the Union ceeses to be a Republic and becomes an Empire.
The people in the south never voted to secede, just state houses led by plantation owners. The secession was illegitimate.
Joe rogan brough me here
Me too
neat
Sulla did nothing wrong!
Common law= common sense
who was the greatest roman emperor of all time and why
SeouL-- Gaius Julius Caesar.
He didn't even need the title.
Julius Caesar was never emperor. To answer the OP, in light of historical perspective it would undoubtedly be Marcus Aurelius, his philosophy still brings a lot of insight, depth, and understanding to even the complications of modern challenges. He is the apex of what the Socratic line called for in a noble Greek ruler, that of a philosopher king. However, logistically speaking for the time of the Romans it would have to be Augustus as he set the political standard for all rulers that came after him.
crimsonsamuraiftw -- I know he wasn't. Hence the "Didn't need the title" bit. Was supposed to be a little tounge-in-cheek.
If we allow eastern emperors, I have always been partial to Justinian. The hagga sophia is one of the most beautiful constructions of the classical world, in my opinion.
Obviously it was Augustus.
SeouL definitely Diocletian he was Metal as fuck
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I don't know.... The Roman "Clan like" system of politics sounds like the way the Republicans & Democrates act now....
Uh the "Republic" got here because Entertainment professionals somehow thought they taught " HISTORY " better than those who recorded it in the Original Latin Text.
Obviously, not a boring period in history but the conversation seemed boring.
Zip thud plop
I know Mike is left wing does anyone know DAn's politics.
3:25
Are the Italian non-Roman citizens akin to Mexicans in the US today? They want in, they've been part of the US system for a long time, and eventually they'll fight for equality.
Wow..history repeats it self..
I don't think its wise to directly compare any two situations like that. These are two different situations with different causes.
Italians within the roman republic served in the military. Mexicans within USA contribute to the economy.
The italians ended up being part of the Republic due to their homelands being brought under Roman rule, either by diplomacy or by military conquest. Mexicans ended up in the US largely by their own initiative... with individuals migrating out of their own choice.
Whatever conclusions you wish to draw from this is up to you, but I don't think it's wise to predict the future by looking at the past.
Mike Duncan isn’t your colleague. He’s your daddy.
I have to disagree on the terminology on how the Roman system worked. He uses the term clans to describe the families, though that is a far more Nordic and insufficient term. What I prefer is mafia families, and if we want to go further, the Kings of Rome were the cosa nostra were there was an elected leader for life, whilst afterwards it was a bit more like ‘ndrangheta, with many different families vying for control
I think Clan is more technically correct than mafia families. Where I am from in Scotland we use the term clan and it fairly accurately describes the structure and relationships of a Roman Family.
i don't know though, clients are mafia like, as are people that you send for "errands" and there is always the leader of the family which is male in the mafia and everyone is endebted to him. Ambition is very strong amongst mafia families. I'm from Italy, and it feels somehow that it just is a better description overall. Clan sounds a bit of early repubblican purity, without bribery (mafia), nepotism (mafia) etc.
Andrei Skobtsov, sounds Italian as fuck.
A Mafia is an illegal crime group... Key word is illegal.
true, but It's far better to say a goverment within a goverment. Let me explain: they act as if they were a goverment within a goverment even if it's illegal. When you remove the illegal part, you have roman reppubblic
That sounded like communism.
David Diaz you sound like a communist
Chris Grant grow up.
David Diaz nah I prefer to have fun, at your expense. Asinine comment; asinine response. numbskull.
im a communist and very confused by this sub thread
mr. diaz, i think you misspelled "faggoty"
Duncan was boring in his Rome series and here. Antithesis of Dan Carlin.
yeah, because he was historically accurate. definitly not like carlin
not interesting, but relays so much more information, even per minute etc.
Boring? Some might think that, but the volume of good, solid history more than makes up for any percived need to be entertained.