The (northern) Italian emigration to Brazil

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  • @eliasfirmino
    @eliasfirmino วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    I have remote Italian roots. I only know about them because my grandfather one day, out of the blue, mentioned that his maternal grandfather was "Italian from the North" after I commented that his branch of the family, which I had recently met, was so pasty white with some really long narrow noses - I thought they perhaps had some German origin. He said Northern Italian. So, if it's his grandfather, it's my great-great-grandfather, which is pretty distant. Anyway, I like Italy. Andiamo a studiare e a conoscere il passato.

    • @HowtoItaly-2004
      @HowtoItaly-2004  18 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      are you american or brazilian?

  •  วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Very informative and precise documentary, dott. Coniglio. I had the pleasure to talk with dott. Franzina (one of the sources) back in Belo Horizonte a long time ago, who encouraged me to do some of my studies at Verona. I was extremely well received and ended up staying. It's a pity that the winds aren't much in our favor nowadays and the other descendants who come here may not be as well received as I was back in the day.
    P.S: I recommend anyone who understands Italian to listen to the speech given byformer Brazilian Amb. to Italy, Rubens Ricupero in the presence of Mattarella, where he talk about this "change of the winds" compared to his times in Italy (when Ciampi was president).

    • @eddiegaudette4287
      @eddiegaudette4287 18 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

      Oh my God! So interesting 🎉

    • @HowtoItaly-2004
      @HowtoItaly-2004  17 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

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    • @HowtoItaly-2004
      @HowtoItaly-2004  10 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      Amazing comment! Thank you so much! What do you mean when you “change of winds”?

  • @serenadeschoral2268
    @serenadeschoral2268 5 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +2

    Mio bisnonno era di un paesino chiamato Isola Rizza (VR) e si é trasferito in San Paolo, Brasile, nel 1888. Non gli ho conosciuto ma ho conosciuto suo figlio, mio nonno, che parlava il dialetto veronese. Da quaranta anni ci vado in Italia e l'anno scorso sono stato riconosciuto cittadino italiano. La mia famiglia si é trasferita negli Stati Uniti e quindi la mia storia é di una doppia emigrazione. Ho la cittadinanza brasiliana, americana e italiana. La ringrazio per il video interessantissimo!

    • @HowtoItaly-2004
      @HowtoItaly-2004  3 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

      Grazie mille per aver condiviso questa storia bellissima!! Iscriviti al canale. Tu che hai 3 cittadinanze lo troverai particolarmente interessante!

    • @serenadeschoral2268
      @serenadeschoral2268 3 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@HowtoItaly-2004 Certo! Grazie mille!

  • @CosimoCicero
    @CosimoCicero วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    👏🏻👏🏻 another interesting video!! Bravissimo!

  • @ivanpetro8464
    @ivanpetro8464 12 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

    I am a brazilian with Italian citizenship by descent, and I was raised around the kitchen of my italian grandmother. My family always felt connected with Italian culture, but the language was lost. I fell that my italian citizenship is a restoration of my roots, you can't buy blood.

    • @HowtoItaly-2004
      @HowtoItaly-2004  11 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      @@ivanpetro8464 i understand your point

  • @billr6887
    @billr6887 6 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

    Thank you for these videos. They are fascinating.

    • @HowtoItaly-2004
      @HowtoItaly-2004  3 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      Thank you so much! I appreciate that!

  • @kaloarepo288
    @kaloarepo288 15 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +2

    There was a drama series on Italian television. and it was a collaboration between Italian TV and Brazilian. which was about Italian immigrants in 19th century Brazil. I watched quite a few episodes of it here in Australia via satellite TV but have forgotten the name of it. Quite a lavish costume drama!

    • @HowtoItaly-2004
      @HowtoItaly-2004  14 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      Oh that would be interesting to watch!!!

    • @elden5052
      @elden5052 10 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@HowtoItaly-2004it’s called “Terra Nostra”.

    • @HowtoItaly-2004
      @HowtoItaly-2004  9 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      Thank you so much!

  • @robertmariano
    @robertmariano วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    I was surprised when you said that Southern Italians would never have eaten polenta. I was always told that polenta was a meal that was eaten during the Great Depression of the 1930s. I ate it once in a while, my grandmother would cook the cornmeal and put sauce on top. I wonder if it is possible that there was a Northern Polenta and maybe a Southern Polenta. Maybe, over time some northern recipes got into cookbooks. The food aspect of your videos is interesting though, ot makes me want to visit each paese and sample each specialty.

    • @HowtoItaly-2004
      @HowtoItaly-2004  18 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

      Thanks for your comment. I am not aware of southern italians eating polenta, but maybe in some village they do.

  • @bluesman1947
    @bluesman1947 5 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +2

    Motta was born in Italy and moved to Brazil when 14 years old..

    • @HowtoItaly-2004
      @HowtoItaly-2004  3 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      I am sorry, but that is not correct.
      Thiago Motta was born in Sao Bernardo do Campo, near Sao Paulo.

  • @LeeMoraglio
    @LeeMoraglio ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Very interesting. In the U.S., another way of saying Jus soli is to say that we have "birthright citizenship." As an American going through the Italian citizenship by descent process, one of the things I've learned is that the timing of my Italian grandparents' naturalization (as American citizens) is critically important because, in the past, when an Italian immigrant became a U.S. citizen, he or she gave up and lost their Italian citizenship forever. That means that the bloodline was broken, so any child born to an Italian who had already naturalized could not inherit citizenship from him or her because the Italian-born immigrant was no longer recognized as an Italian. In my case, my grandfather naturalized before he had any children but my grandmother waited, so my bloodline and path to citizenship can only go through my father and his mother (not his father) even though both of his parents were born in Puglia in 1903. Times have changed and there is now dual citizenship, but that didn't exist in the early 20th century. Lastly, most people know that Pope Francis is an Argentinian man with Italian ancestry, and there is a long article on Wikipedia called "Italian Argentines." The history of how so many Italians wound up in that country is also an interesting story. 62.5% of the population has some degree of Italian ancestry, and Argentina has the second-largest community of Italians outside of Italy, after Brazil. Contingents of Italian immigrants arrived in Argentina from all regions of Italy, mainly from Northern Italy in the 19th century and mostly from Southern Italy in the 20th century. As a result of that, the Italian food in Argentina is more diverse than you will find in Brazil. It's all very interesting. Grazie!

  • @acaviness7579
    @acaviness7579 19 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

    The Italian Americans that I know about who have gotten JS Dual Italian citizenship have brought economic resources to ancestral cities/towns, set up nonprofit organizations to aid the community, and so forth. People from Sicily seem especially dedicated to their ancestral places.

    • @HowtoItaly-2004
      @HowtoItaly-2004  18 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      This is absolutely true and a super positive effect. I still think, though, that the disparity between the ones who have italian blood and the ones who don't, in getting the citizenship, is wrong.

  • @alexjimenez42
    @alexjimenez42 16 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +2

    There is also a town in Mexico founded by Italian immigrants from the Veneto region called Chipilo in the Mexican state of Puebla. It was first settled in 1882.

    • @HowtoItaly-2004
      @HowtoItaly-2004  16 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      that is so interesting! I did not know that!

    • @kaloarepo288
      @kaloarepo288 15 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

      Some one called Montagner wrote a book about it!

  • @eddiegaudette4287
    @eddiegaudette4287 18 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +2

    And I wonder how bad of a moment it was when Claudio Caniggia knocked out Brazil and Italy in the World Cup of 1990??🎉🎉

    • @HowtoItaly-2004
      @HowtoItaly-2004  17 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      I don't want to talk about that World Cup because for us Italians it is still a deep wound. AHahhahah

  • @kleberbraga6313
    @kleberbraga6313 10 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +2

    Ciao,
    "Che video interessante! Infatti, gli italiani hanno contribuito alla nascita del Brasile moderno dopo la schiavitù. I paesi dovrebbero essere molto più vicini e avere maggiori scambi culturali. Io, come discendente, sono molto orgoglioso dei miei antenati. Presto farò il percorso inverso dei miei bisnonni; andrò in Italia alla ricerca del riconoscimento della mia cittadinanza, non solo per i documenti, ma anche per riscoprire le radici della mia famiglia nella regione del Lazio. L'Italia sta invecchiando, quindi vedo un'opportunità per il paese di cercare i discendenti, vista la vicinanza culturale, linguistica e culinaria tra i due paesi. Complimenti per il video!"

    • @HowtoItaly-2004
      @HowtoItaly-2004  9 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      Guarda, sono immensamente d'accordo con te! Bellissimo commento. Iscriviti al canale.

  • @bobbyc4495
    @bobbyc4495 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Over 50 % of the surnames in Argentina are Italian

    • @HowtoItaly-2004
      @HowtoItaly-2004  18 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      and I will get you covered with a video very soon!

  • @InMyBrz
    @InMyBrz 22 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +2

    I know NOVO TRENTO and NOVO PETROPOLIS in the south of Brasil
    Very nice cities full of Italians

    • @HowtoItaly-2004
      @HowtoItaly-2004  18 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      They are. I would love to visit them!

  • @eddiegaudette4287
    @eddiegaudette4287 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    Fascinating video Professor! Thank you! I remember reading in The New York Times in 1990, that the largest black population in the world after Nigeria, was in Brazil! One would have thought logically that it would have been another country in Africa….

    • @HowtoItaly-2004
      @HowtoItaly-2004  วันที่ผ่านมา

      You are absolutely right. There are more people of african descent than in the US. Subscribe to the channel!
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    • @Ricardo-cp2lu
      @Ricardo-cp2lu 18 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +3

      The largest non-white, actually - they count people of indian descent in this statistic. In terms of purely afro-descendent people Brazil ranks behind many african countries.

    • @eddiegaudette4287
      @eddiegaudette4287 18 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@Ricardo-cp2luyes, you are right. It was an old statistic of 34 years ago. Nevertheless, I am trilingual and use Portuguese so much around the world from Massachusetts to Africa to Macau🎉

    • @oliversissonphone6143
      @oliversissonphone6143 10 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

      Brazil has a huge population - 215m!

    • @equilibriumrebelado4893
      @equilibriumrebelado4893 7 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +2

      Let me try to explain that:
      When Brazil have Leftists Governments in power, the Government exports this agenda to the World like for example now and between 2003-2016. The largest Black population outside of Africa in in USA, not Brazil. Black Americans are 14% of USA population and around 80% of their dna is African. When Black Brazilians are 9% of Brazilian population and their dna is around 45% African. But if you mean African descendants, thats other history, Brazil is the first, because pardos are 45% of Brazilian population and around 20-24% of their dna is African, the rest of the blood soup is mostly european, around 60% on average and some amerindian too, around 16%. Of course the pardo group have large variations and some people can be more european, more african or more amerindian. Not to mention that White Brazilians on average also have some small degree of african ancestry, 6-9% on average. So many people can be african descendant in Brazil, but not necessarily Black, many of them can even be very european looking.

  • @vox9622
    @vox9622 4 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +2

    The majority of Italians live in Sao Paulo and south not in Rio.

    • @HowtoItaly-2004
      @HowtoItaly-2004  3 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      That’s correct

  • @henosis2
    @henosis2 9 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

    Sono brasiliano, ho 8 bisnonni italiani (veneziani, friulani e trentini) parlo abbastanza bene il nostro Veneto, ho studiato italiano, ma non lo parlo bene. (Proverò a scrivere in italiano). Voglio condividere come vedo le cose.
    Penso che sia gli oriundi che gli stranieri potrebbero avere la cittadinanza. Capisco che le cose così come stanno adesso sembrano ingiuste e che dovrebbe essere un po' più difficile per gli oriundi ottenere la cittadinanza. Il vero problema è che ci sono oriundi e oriundi (come diciamo qui in Brasile). Ci sono oriundi che, come ha detto Lei, non hanno più nulla di Italiano, nemmeno il cognome; e ci sono quelli che a modo loro sono ancora etnicamente italiani. Dipende molto dalla regione del Brasile - Nell'interno del Brasile meridionale, gli italiani rimasero a lungo isolati e si mescolarono meno con altre culture. Questi ultimi probabilmente perderanno i loro diritti a causa dei primi.
    Negli ultimi mesi alcuni politici italiani hanno parlato della cittadinanza degli oriundi: Roberto Menia, Tajani e ora Zaia (la cui nonna viveva qui in Brasile). Alcuni in modo più gentile, altri in modo rude. Personalmente trovo più fastidiosa la retorica che il fatto che vogliano cambiare la legge: è una loro prerogativa. Tajani ha parlato di oriundi di settima generazione che non conoscono la lingua e e che vogliono solo il passaporto. Certo, ci sono oriundi de quinta (al massimo) generazione che non conoscono la lingua, non sono interesati a conoscerla e vogliono solo il passaporto. Ma Tajani parla come se fossimo tutti così. Penso che collegare l’italianità alla conoscenza della lingua italiana sia anche un po ingiusto. La maggior parte dei nostri nonni non parlavano italiano. Ma che sia giusto che richiedono la conoscenza della lingua per la cittadinanza. Capisco anche che i numeri sono grandi ed è una situazione difficile da gestire, ma vedo anche delle resistenze perché quelli che vanno in Italia in grandi numeri sono brasiliani. Se gli americani si recassero in Italia in gran numero per riconoscere la loro cittadinanza, verrebbero festeggiati. Ne i numeri, ne la conoscenza della lingua, ne il fato di che gli italo-americano sono piu irlandese che italiani sarebbe un problema.

    • @HowtoItaly-2004
      @HowtoItaly-2004  9 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

      Allora, anzitutto grazie infinite per questo meraviglioso commento. Grazie per aver dedicato il tuo tempo al video.
      Io sono d'accordo con te praticamente su tutto. Come ho risposto ad un'altra persona, non vorrei passasse il messaggio che io non amo gli oriundi perchè è l'esatto contrario: i discendenti della grande migrazione italiana tra Otto e Novecento sono la mia grande passione e il mio grande oggetto di ricerca.
      Detto questo io sono d'accordo anche sul fatto l'atteggiamento della politica italiana nei confronti dei brasiliani di origine italiana è totalmente sbagliato, ma riflette semplicemente quello che pensano gli italiani di questa questione: nulla, non sanno nulla.
      Perchè noi italiani, purtroppo, oramai siamo cosi, pensiamo solo all'aperitivo e non abbiamo idea di quello che succede nel mondo, neanche in posti dove le nostre famiglie hanno creato dei Paesi importantissimi come il Brasile. E questo ci penalizza, penalizza il nostro interesse nazionale. Il Brasile sarà uno dei Paesi più importanti al mondo e il fatto che ci sono oltre 30 milioni di discendenti di italiani per noi dovrebbe essere una priorità geopolitica che potrebbe aumentare la nostra influenza nel mondo, ma purtroppo niente....
      Hai ragione, un Paese come l'Italia che demograficamente sta morendo, dovrebbe dare la cittadinanza sia agli oriundi (come fa il portogallo) che anche alle persone nate in Italia da genitori non italiani. Ma purtroppo non è cosi.
      Come dici tu, ci sono oriundi e oriundi. Ci sono quelli che di fatto nei paesi di destinazione hanno tenuto viva la cultura italiana (o della regione italiana da dove provenivano, come in Veneto) e quelli che non sanno neanche l'Italia dove sta.
      Dispiace vedere che questi ultimi prendono la cittadinanza in due mesi e poi persone che sono nate e cresciute qui in Italia, devono aspettare vent'anni.

  • @huapehucristovao2214
    @huapehucristovao2214 22 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

    Esqueceu de falar do Airlton Sena.

    • @HowtoItaly-2004
      @HowtoItaly-2004  18 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      você tem razão, a mãe era da província de Lucca, na Toscana.

  • @oliversissonphone6143
    @oliversissonphone6143 10 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

    Were the Italian waves of immigration to Brazil and the US the same era? Why did so many Northern Italians end up in Brazil and Southern Italians end up in the US?

    • @HowtoItaly-2004
      @HowtoItaly-2004  10 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

      Yes, the period is more or less the same. The second part of your question depends on so many factors

  • @Eurodance_Groove
    @Eurodance_Groove 4 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

    QUESTO VIDEO VA RETTIFICATO - LO SANNO TUTTI CHE E' L' ARGENTINA LA NAZIONE CON IL MAGGIOR NUMERO DI ITALIANI... DIO SANTO!!! FATE ALTRO, NON FATE GLI TH-camR, SE DOVETE DIFFONDERE POCHEZZA E APPROSSIMAZIONE...

    • @HowtoItaly-2004
      @HowtoItaly-2004  3 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      Mi dispiace ma non è cosi. L’Argentina ne ha un numero più alto in percentuale, ma il Brasile in valore assoluto ne ha di più, circa 30 milioni contro 23

  • @Eurodance_Groove
    @Eurodance_Groove 3 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

    MA HAI FATTO STO VIDEO PER PARLARE DEGLI ITALO-BRASILIANI, O PER FARCI IL LAVAGGIO DEL CERVELLO SUL FATTO CHE SEI CONTRO LA ATTUALE LEGGE ITALIANA SULL'IMMIGRAZIONE?

    • @HowtoItaly-2004
      @HowtoItaly-2004  3 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      Un abbraccio caro.

  • @AT-AT-AT-AT
    @AT-AT-AT-AT 15 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    the world finding out

    • @HowtoItaly-2004
      @HowtoItaly-2004  14 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      What do you mean?

  • @Eurodance_Groove
    @Eurodance_Groove 4 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

    CERTO CHE PER ESSER STATO UN TOUR GUIDE COME DICI TU, HAI UN INGLESE A DIR POCO PIETOSO... E FAI PURE IL PROFESSORE? NO COMMENT

    • @HowtoItaly-2004
      @HowtoItaly-2004  3 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      Grazie di cuore

  • @dianatralli4099
    @dianatralli4099 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Excelent video Professor Coniglio :) I'm italian as well , and i would gladly change our citizenship laws (Ius sangiunus) . I find ridiculous that anyone who happens to have italian ancestors ,can apply for the italian citizenship even if they never lived in italy and can't speak a word of italian to save their life.
    Also, 99% of those "citizens by heritage" only want the citizenship because after they got it, they can go to live and work in other EU countries.
    They dont love or care about Italy , they are just using it for personal benefits. I dont not "hate" them because they are not doing anything illegal , but i think that ius sanguinus should be either limited or banned.
    I'm not from Veneto but i live in a town that borders it and i can undestand 95% of Talian.
    Again , execellent video and keep it up the good work .

    • @HowtoItaly-2004
      @HowtoItaly-2004  วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@dianatralli4099 i agree 100% with you. Great analysis. Subscribe!
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    •  วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Scusami per essere nato oriundo. Scusami tanto per aver preservato le nostre tradizioni - nella mia famiglia abbiamo preservato anche le tradizioni cimbre. Oggi la tendenza politica è pensare che non meritiamo niente in cambio, che siamo tutti ladri e opportunisti che hanno rubato la cittadinanza (e dieci anni fa si parlava di una Italia transatlantica).
      Non credo che sia così, sig.ra Tralli.

    • @HowtoItaly-2004
      @HowtoItaly-2004  15 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +2

      Allora, questo è un commento a cui tengo in maniera particolare, perchè forse sono stato frainteso: non solo io non ho nulla contro gli oriundi, ma sono la mia principale passione e oggetto di ricerca.
      È una vita che studio la questione apprezzo tantissimo tutti gli ITALO brasiliani, argentini etc. Ti dirò di più, voglio anche fare un video su come il governo italiano, anche solo per questioni Geopolitiche, dovrebbe dare MOLTA più attenzione ai Paesi dell’emigrazione italiana. E sono d’accordo con te sul fatto che moltissime famiglie oriunde abbiano fatto e facciano ancora tantissimo per preservare la cultura italiana.
      Il mio punto è un altro ed è giuridico: NON è accettabile che se sei nato e cresciuto qua senza sangue italiano, ma parli solo italiano e magari manco sei andato nel tuo Paese di origine una volta in vita tua, per avere la cittadinanza devi aspettare 20 anni se ti va bene. Mentre, al contrario, gente che magari ha il trisavolo italiano mischiato con un miliardo di altre culture, mette due firme e in un anno ha la cittadinanza senza sapere una parola. So che non è il tuo caso, ma spero che tu abbia capito il senso del discorso.

    • @vpillajr
      @vpillajr 8 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +2

      Okay, let’s assume this is feasible (I won’t comment further as I’m not a lawyer, and I would only echo the arguments of Italian lawyers and even judges who say otherwise, without even considering the principle of non-retroactivity). In practice, this measure would not affect Italian-Brazilians, without going into specifics.
      I could remind you that the Italian government abandoned its millions of citizens worldwide, showing no interest in providing consular services, even though 20% of Italy’s GDP at the turn of the 19th and 20th centuries came from resources sent by these emigrants scattered across the globe. Indeed, this financial reserve enabled Italian industrialization, rescuing a bankrupt economy at the time.
      I could also point out that Italy’s remaining soft power is largely due to the descendants of emigrants who were left behind in Brazil, Argentina, other South American countries, the USA, Australia, and more. Entire sectors of the Italian economy rely on this soft power.
      But I’ll stop here and say: go ahead. Get rid of the descendants of emigrants who were abandoned over a century ago. It’s a natural yet belated step.

    • @HowtoItaly-2004
      @HowtoItaly-2004  3 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      @@vpillajr i totally agree with you. If you go on google translate and translate from italian to english the comment above this one that i made in Italian, you will find it interesting.