I never had the chance (and probably never Will) to try This game, It looks so fun tho. There are many things that they could take from Ghost Babel and re use For a new game like the metal Gear design, or some bits of the enemy cast, viper could work really well as a new snake's rival, maybe they could make a philantrophy game (we fucking Need It, i want to see more of solid Snake and his philantrophy missions with otacon and mei ling). Now imagine: A character sends an anonymous distress call to otacon, revealing that a terrorist group led by viper has attacked and captured a secret military base set in (insert a random country) and that thanks to the Rex data that Ocelot sold on the black market they are making their own metal Gear (wich Will be gander). Otacon sends Snake to stop them and destroy metal Gear. Now i don't have the time to elaborate the possible plot (but i wrote It down somewhere, maybe i Will post It One day) but i wanted holly from MG2 to be the Person that sent the distress wanting to be like the Hero and Legend that She once Met on Zanzibar, but failing due to the enemy forces being too much (maybe reworking her relationship with Snake and starting over) and even joining philantrophy at the end of the game to help Snake and otacon to 'let the world be'. As we know philantrophy was an anti metal Gear ORGANIZATION so there must have been volontiers that helped and founded them (in mgs4 they have A FUCKING CARGO PLANE AND A HELICOPTER, not to mention the Advanced gadgets... And they were known as terrorists at the time, there Is no way they were Just otacon, Snake and mei ling). Yeah anyway, the VR theory part Is Canon to me, It makes sense and doesnt break the main lore in any way. Really nice video as Always boss 👉🏻👉🏻
I’ve been saying this for a while now, that Ghost Babel is the “simulation” of Shadow Moses that Raiden played through which is why he knows about “Shadow Moses” but none of the details about there being clones of big boss, he has no knowledge about Liquid, even when Ocelot transforms or when Otacon brings up Liquid Snake. Raiden’s like “LIQUID SNAKE!!?” Would’ve rang a bell, not garnered such an incredulous response. Unless the patriots changed all the details about the Shadow Moses incident and set the Simulation in Africa, instead of the Fox Archipelago in Alaska. Then when Raiden read “In the Darkness of Shadow Moses” Anastasia Romenenko’s “tell all” book, A.I Campbell shoots it down like he can’t allow Raiden to buy into the propaganda spread by that book. That’s not the “carefully curated truth” the GW S3 system was trying to prime Raiden with… But Raiden notices the whole thing aligns. Jimmy is Otacon. Kris is Meryl. It would all fit. He wants to know the truth. Campbell won’t mention anything about it. Raiden never mentions his niece/daughter Meryl. He might be confused about wether of not that part of the Book is true or wether, like Kris, Meryl was a lone operative. He would *know* Campbells connected to Meryl if he played Shadow Moses in VR. He would know the whole team was in on the plot to use Snake as vector for FoxDie. Campbell, Jim Houseman, everyone with dirt and green on their palms. Raiden WOULD know… IF he was allowed to see the true events of Shadow Moses. The Ai wouldn’t want him to know… so that’s why they would have a very vested interest in reframing and creating a new context of Shadow Moses that Raiden can play through and groom him into being their new stealth operative- with none of the betrayal and the key details about DARPA, Armstech, FoxDie, Genome soldiers, Les Enfents Terribles, and other big “woah Govt. bad????” plot twists we got in MGS1.
@ in Raiden’s VR experience, why would the LaLiLuLeLo admit they cloned BB and their Ace in the Hole also had a replicant? They wouldn’t just tell their new number one Operative that there were two Big Bosses and one was a mental doppelgänger. As far as Raiden knows Zanzibar land didn’t happen. From Colonel Campbell’s conversation with Snake after the Grey Fox ninja fight, he says something that implies the whole Zanzibar incident was kept completely on the DL. Big Boss’ involvement, Snake’s clone status, him killing his father EVERYTHING. “Only the people there know what truly happened” And in order to keep her cover, Naomi has to pretend that she had no idea. Meaning that if the patriots were to program a VR simulation of Shadow Moses it would not be able to contain any of this information. So Zanzibar will be completely kept from the public records. Including what Raiden would be told and trained on. From his perspective, Zanzibar didn’t happen. Not until he read “in the darkness of shadow Moses” and then Campbell starts getting really pissy at him on the codec about buying into “what that trash says”
I heard about this Raiden/Jack parallel months ago and shared it with my boys. I'm honored to own this game and having experienced "Raiden's immersive training simulation" before MGS2.
I still have my GBC cart of this that I bought from Toys R Us when it released. I lost it ( in my dad’s truck ) for a few years then found it again and finally beat it. Probably my favorite GBC game along with links awakening dx
SNAKE'S Revenge is also canon and it established blowing up a tanker full of mass produced TX-55 Metal Gears, shotgunning suicide bombers and proto-geckos, and Big Boss coming back for ([Naked/Venom] Snake's) revenge as a wack ass cyborg you have to blow up before NIKITAing the new Metal Gear before it launches on three major cities
I view both Ghost Babel and Portable Ops as "filler or padding" for MGS2 and Peace Walker respectively. surprisingly, Black Chamber being wiped out by one of their own (Fox Hound) mirrors the event of MGSV (XOF wiping out MSF) and the survivors are hellbent on revenge. (their leader even had a prosthetic arm)
I consider it canon and agree this game really is an under rated gem. Sometimes I even wonder how the series would have changed with Acid being canon too. Honestly I like these games more than 4 and V.
The problem with this theory is there is a game that youre describing, but its mgs mobile, not gb that canonically explicitly serves as raiden vr (on top of maybe regular mgs1)
I never had the chance (and probably never Will) to try This game, It looks so fun tho.
There are many things that they could take from Ghost Babel and re use For a new game like the metal Gear design, or some bits of the enemy cast, viper could work really well as a new snake's rival, maybe they could make a philantrophy game (we fucking Need It, i want to see more of solid Snake and his philantrophy missions with otacon and mei ling).
Now imagine:
A character sends an anonymous distress call to otacon, revealing that a terrorist group led by viper has attacked and captured a secret military base set in (insert a random country) and that thanks to the Rex data that Ocelot sold on the black market they are making their own metal Gear (wich Will be gander).
Otacon sends Snake to stop them and destroy metal Gear.
Now i don't have the time to elaborate the possible plot (but i wrote It down somewhere, maybe i Will post It One day) but i wanted holly from MG2 to be the Person that sent the distress wanting to be like the Hero and Legend that She once Met on Zanzibar, but failing due to the enemy forces being too much (maybe reworking her relationship with Snake and starting over) and even joining philantrophy at the end of the game to help Snake and otacon to 'let the world be'.
As we know philantrophy was an anti metal Gear ORGANIZATION so there must have been volontiers that helped and founded them (in mgs4 they have A FUCKING CARGO PLANE AND A HELICOPTER, not to mention the Advanced gadgets... And they were known as terrorists at the time, there Is no way they were Just otacon, Snake and mei ling).
Yeah anyway, the VR theory part Is Canon to me, It makes sense and doesnt break the main lore in any way.
Really nice video as Always boss 👉🏻👉🏻
download a GBC emulator and the ROM. these old games have never been so accessible especially on smartphones.
@1-eye-willy i aint a big fun of emulation unless its really necesarry/the only way to play a game (like mgo2).
Maybe One day tho, thanks
THEY PLAYED US LIKE A DAMN GAMEBOY!
Haha. Good one.
I like to call Ghost Babel “Metal Gear 3.”
I’ve been saying this for a while now, that Ghost Babel is the “simulation” of Shadow Moses that Raiden played through which is why he knows about “Shadow Moses” but none of the details about there being clones of big boss, he has no knowledge about Liquid, even when Ocelot transforms or when Otacon brings up Liquid Snake. Raiden’s like “LIQUID SNAKE!!?”
Would’ve rang a bell, not garnered such an incredulous response.
Unless the patriots changed all the details about the Shadow Moses incident and set the Simulation in Africa, instead of the Fox Archipelago in Alaska.
Then when Raiden read “In the Darkness of Shadow Moses” Anastasia Romenenko’s “tell all” book, A.I Campbell shoots it down like he can’t allow Raiden to buy into the propaganda spread by that book. That’s not the “carefully curated truth” the GW S3 system was trying to prime Raiden with…
But Raiden notices the whole thing aligns. Jimmy is Otacon. Kris is Meryl. It would all fit.
He wants to know the truth.
Campbell won’t mention anything about it. Raiden never mentions his niece/daughter Meryl. He might be confused about wether of not that part of the Book is true or wether, like Kris, Meryl was a lone operative.
He would *know* Campbells connected to Meryl if he played Shadow Moses in VR. He would know the whole team was in on the plot to use Snake as vector for FoxDie. Campbell, Jim Houseman, everyone with dirt and green on their palms.
Raiden WOULD know…
IF he was allowed to see the true events of Shadow Moses.
The Ai wouldn’t want him to know… so that’s why they would have a very vested interest in reframing and creating a new context of Shadow Moses that Raiden can play through and groom him into being their new stealth operative- with none of the betrayal and the key details about DARPA, Armstech, FoxDie, Genome soldiers, Les Enfents Terribles, and other big “woah Govt. bad????” plot twists we got in MGS1.
This theory falls apart when you realize that MG2 never happened. This is an alternitive timeline where MG happened and then GB events started
@ in Raiden’s VR experience, why would the LaLiLuLeLo admit they cloned BB and their Ace in the Hole also had a replicant?
They wouldn’t just tell their new number one Operative that there were two Big Bosses and one was a mental doppelgänger.
As far as Raiden knows Zanzibar land didn’t happen.
From Colonel Campbell’s conversation with Snake after the Grey Fox ninja fight, he says something that implies the whole Zanzibar incident was kept completely on the DL. Big Boss’ involvement, Snake’s clone status, him killing his father EVERYTHING.
“Only the people there know what truly happened”
And in order to keep her cover, Naomi has to pretend that she had no idea. Meaning that if the patriots were to program a VR simulation of Shadow Moses it would not be able to contain any of this information. So Zanzibar will be completely kept from the public records. Including what Raiden would be told and trained on.
From his perspective, Zanzibar didn’t happen. Not until he read “in the darkness of shadow Moses” and then Campbell starts getting really pissy at him on the codec about buying into “what that trash says”
I heard about this Raiden/Jack parallel months ago and shared it with my boys. I'm honored to own this game and having experienced "Raiden's immersive training simulation" before MGS2.
You have it's called mgs1
Ghost babel is awesome!!! Also, love the Gran Turismo 5 soundtrack in the background 😅😅
I remember playing this one on release. The hours I spent on it back then when I was a teenager. Good times. I think I need to play through it again.
"What nice lines your clavicles have, Snake."
That was one of the lines I remembered, too
😂
Played this about 10yrs ago, roughly
@gts560 yeah me too
Oh I binge-played this nearly 25 years. It was good
I love this game tbh, n wish more was talked about it especially with the ending message of the game. Great vid m8
6:37 actually, it made an appearance in Metal Gear AC!D before MGS4.
17:05 good guess, but Viper is a Portable Ops reference, it was the code name used by Gene while he was in the Fox unit.
Had this game back when, loved it. Still do.
Other than Pokémon, Metal Gear Solid was the best game on the Gameboy
Interesting. I didn't know his name was Jack. Perfect.🎉🎉🎉
Loved this game.
Ghost Babel must become a starting point for Konami to make new Metal Gear games.
Need this on Metal Gear collection Vol 2
I still have my GBC cart of this that I bought from Toys R Us when it released. I lost it ( in my dad’s truck ) for a few years then found it again and finally beat it. Probably my favorite GBC game along with links awakening dx
Back when i played this YEARS ago i got lost in the jimmy section for AGES
Ghost babel GOES SO HARD
This game, along with the msx titles ,metal gear 1 and 2,
Deserve the remake treatment, instead of mgs1.
SNAKE'S Revenge is also canon
and it established blowing up a tanker full of mass produced TX-55 Metal Gears,
shotgunning suicide bombers and proto-geckos, and Big Boss coming back for ([Naked/Venom] Snake's) revenge as a wack ass cyborg you have to blow up before NIKITAing the new Metal Gear before it launches on three major cities
I view both Ghost Babel and Portable Ops as "filler or padding" for MGS2 and Peace Walker respectively.
surprisingly, Black Chamber being wiped out by one of their own (Fox Hound) mirrors the event of MGSV (XOF wiping out MSF) and the survivors are hellbent on revenge. (their leader even had a prosthetic arm)
I consider it canon and agree this game really is an under rated gem. Sometimes I even wonder how the series would have changed with Acid being canon too. Honestly I like these games more than 4 and V.
Like & sub earned. This video was great!
The problem with this theory is there is a game that youre describing, but its mgs mobile, not gb that canonically explicitly serves as raiden vr (on top of maybe regular mgs1)
That's not a Hind, it's a Havok.
18:18 Hydrocity pronunciation debacle mentioned
Raiden is mentioned before mgs2 came out
Im curious, where at?
In the number 4 text. Jack is mentioned. Google it
It's super simple, if the game doesn't appear on the most recent official konami timeline, then it's not canon.
Good game
But it's listed to me as Redacted along with NES MG1 and 2 and Acid 1 and 2
DUDE
WHAT
WTF!?
No, but is a good game. One of My favorites, Ibhave it on my phone
3:26 Snake can now move in 8 directions rather than four, INCLUDING DIAGONALLY. (Uh.. no sh*t how else would he move in 8 directions. 😂
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Back when i played this YEARS ago i got lost in the jimmy section for AGES