K saw facts we don't see. So it's useless to try and grasp his assertions rationallly thinking to find a solution. We have to understand that we urgently need to focus on observing, perceiving, and not on the objects we perceive. Perception is not an action born out of an individual, of a self, but rather the natural dimension of all living beings.
@@st20332 That's granted, there is a first level which is understanding his words. Most of us stop at this level, the next level is the understanding of life and our own mind and that does not require rational thinking.
You mean to say we dont need thinking to see consequences of war, attachment, anger etc etc ? Ofcourse we need "thinking" to see all those thing..and also observation is also important to see.. Thinking and observation are both important to see "what is"
@@ouwqaplmruzvearlfgalwhclak thinking is not necessary for observation at all. They are quite separate. That's one of the foundational things that the speaker is pointing to. You can think about a vase without observing it there on the table. So doesn't it stand to reason they are separate things? There is a reason we have different words for them. I have personally experienced observing without thought many times.
What nonsense. Krishnamurti frequently said we don't need people to tell us what to do, his entire teaching style was about getting YOU to think and realize for yourself. I suspect he had a very high IQ, but the basic realizations or at least direct observation is accessible to all.
Perhaps as a individual to be beyond right or wrong would be to behave in such way in order to take place in this world as less as possible. No greed and no disorder among mankind. Commitment only with nature an essential needs. But we have a long way to achieve harmony with no division...how to unit all groups of different people ? I think unfortunately that a collapse of our society will first be necessary for new priorities appear clearly to us.
Exactly, I thought to live in such a way, that everybody and everything can live and exist peacefully and thrive. But this is exactly what you say, to take as little place in the world as possible. ❤️
Uma vez que todos querem prazer, comandar, possuir ambição desmesurada, achar que podem possuir algo ou alguém, uma vez que é o detestável estado quem comanda a educação, o detestável sacerdote define as obrigações do casal, os médicos definem o que é saudável para todos, uma vez que o mendigo e o rico só divergem pela quantidade de dinheiro- sim, não há individualidade, apenas fragmentos já realizados ou preparados por outros. Grato pelo insight.
I love his crystal clear logic, but it perplexes me, that he denies logical thinking as an instrument of investigation. Probably not suitable for self- recognition or rather for recognition that the "self" does not exist. 🤔
He stated in several occasions that in order to investigate, our thinking must be sane, rational, clear. The implication is that when this quality of thinking is the starting point, thought will arrive at its own limitation. Such quality of thinking will take the inquiry to its logical limit and stop. Then,
Knowing you are insane too.
Muchísimas gracias!!!!❤🙏😊
Thank you.
There are no separate individuals because existence is an organic whole. Any separate individual action is therefore bound to be meaningless.
Mere theory sir, useless
Right action is that which creates unity and nothing else. If it is dovisive, then it is not the eight action.
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So i have to ask what can man kind do!❤ because iam not in individual.
I think his sentence remained in complete. Is it not? I felt like he wanted to add something to it.
K saw facts we don't see. So it's useless to try and grasp his assertions rationallly thinking to find a solution. We have to understand that we urgently need to focus on observing, perceiving, and not on the objects we perceive. Perception is not an action born out of an individual, of a self, but rather the natural dimension of all living beings.
It's not useless. You have to try to grasp his words rationally in order to see how rational thinking has its limits.
@@st20332 That's granted, there is a first level which is understanding his words. Most of us stop at this level, the next level is the understanding of life and our own mind and that does not require rational thinking.
You mean to say we dont need thinking to see consequences of war, attachment, anger etc etc ?
Ofcourse we need "thinking" to see all those thing..and also observation is also important to see..
Thinking and observation are both important to see "what is"
@@ouwqaplmruzvearlfgalwhclak thinking is not necessary for observation at all. They are quite separate. That's one of the foundational things that the speaker is pointing to. You can think about a vase without observing it there on the table. So doesn't it stand to reason they are separate things?
There is a reason we have different words for them.
I have personally experienced observing without thought many times.
What nonsense. Krishnamurti frequently said we don't need people to tell us what to do, his entire teaching style was about getting YOU to think and realize for yourself.
I suspect he had a very high IQ, but the basic realizations or at least direct observation is accessible to all.
Perhaps as a individual to be beyond right or wrong would be to behave in such way in order to take place in this world as less as possible.
No greed and no disorder among mankind.
Commitment only with nature an essential needs.
But we have a long way to achieve harmony with no division...how to unit all groups of different people ?
I think unfortunately that a collapse of our society will first be necessary for new priorities appear clearly to us.
Exactly, I thought to live in such a way, that everybody and everything can live and exist peacefully and thrive. But this is exactly what you say, to take as little place in the world as possible. ❤️
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Uma vez que todos querem prazer, comandar, possuir ambição desmesurada, achar que podem possuir algo ou alguém, uma vez que é o detestável estado quem comanda a educação, o detestável sacerdote define as obrigações do casal, os médicos definem o que é saudável para todos, uma vez que o mendigo e o rico só divergem pela quantidade de dinheiro- sim, não há individualidade, apenas fragmentos já realizados ou preparados por outros. Grato pelo insight.
do you have the full video?
Link to the full video can be found in the description
@@kft thank you 😊
Please can I have the link to the full discussion?
It's in the note to the video-
th-cam.com/video/2afvEYImqCQ/w-d-xo.html
I love his crystal clear logic, but it perplexes me, that he denies logical thinking as an instrument of investigation. Probably not suitable for self- recognition or rather for recognition that the "self" does not exist. 🤔
Intellect is an illusion. Nothing is known
He stated in several occasions that in order to investigate, our thinking must be sane, rational, clear. The implication is that when this quality of thinking is the starting point, thought will arrive at its own limitation. Such quality of thinking will take the inquiry to its logical limit and stop. Then,
You are talking to yourself.
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