He is one of the few men in my lifetime who has allowed to examine what I thought (past) I knew by wiping my slate clean of loaded thoughts and senseless thinking. Now I function from feeling, mindfulness and observation.
2-3 years after arriving in the USA (1990), I was robbed at the gunpoint. At that time I did not understand the significance of that experience for me. I considered it a dreadful thing. Years later I realized that it was one of the best things that could have happened to me :) Why? For years my mind resembled a NIAGRA FALLS - a constant flow of thought. That evening, when I heard behind me the click of the reloaded handgun... my mind FROZE. NO THOUGHT was PRESENT at all. ALL my actions were just PERFECT. The robber got maybe 20 bucks in one-dollar bills, but $100-150 I had in my shirt's pocket I saved. I remember the moment when my thinking came back and with it .... shaking of the body, stupid thoughts .. etc. I had my PROOF that thinking is not needed to act RIGHT. Now, at 55 my mind is not in control. I AM. Peace in "the head" is a priceless thing. J.K. is absolutely RIGHT !!!
Amazing story! Very good example of what JK is talking about and that no matter how serious we deem a situation, overthinking it is not guaranteed to help. Like you said, you did everything perfectly without having to clog your mind with thoughts. Thanks for sharing! (PS. wyemigrowałeś z Polski?)
K has said : I do not think - All thought is destructive Truly this is the state of his mind ;he is beyond thought ( psychologically) Also he loves in a state where time and space do not exist For this refer to "Poems and Prables" He is a man of hyperbolic dimensions
There was unconscious thought when he was robbing you, and the thought was "save as much as you can and do as he telling so that he doesnt shoot because i want to live." Kids wont do that because they dont have memory about how to handle that situation. Your act came from subconscious thought. You can not act without a thought.
@@Searcherpqpqpq and that springs from an incident,that incident an experience,we have so many experiences so innumerable thoughts,how to manage that many gives wisdom.0
Rather: making children aware that they are able to perceive life, « beyond thought ». Beyond all division. Thought is invited to come to an end, to remain behind, silent, at its designed place. Ordinary thinking is a pathology of the brain-machine-cage. Yet, the brain can be revivified.
1. Experiences are registered in the brain as knowledge. 2. Knowledge is rooted in the past, making it unable to fully grasp the ever-changing nature of reality. 3. Memory is the outcome of knowledge (past experiences), therefore it is subject to distortion by emotions, desires, and biases. It traps us in repetitive patterns, limiting our ability to engage with the present moment freshly. 4. Thought operates within the boundaries of memory, preventing access to the new or unknown. It categorizes, analyzes, and fragments our perception, leading to division and misunderstanding. Awareness and attention, on the other hand, enable direct perception without the filters of thought.
A very relaxed K. 😊. In a 🌎 where artificial intelligence begins pointing out how so called human intelligence is more artificial than once believed… I’ll just relax and look forward to some 🔥 drops this weekend, like every weekend. 😅. Thanks, Krishnamurti Foundation. The edits always hit the spot.
I don't believe AI does that. Machine learning algorithms have become adept at simple sets of things. AI that recognizes fruits exist, but they can't describe the taste meaningfully. AI is generating art, but requires training with human art, and the original training images are derivable from the algorithms. No AI can build on a large group of such algorithms usefully, or synthesize a meaningful new understanding. At every point, we understand what an AI is doing, or can deduce logically its working within a defined framework of human-provided experience. I think I talked my way around to understanding your point.
I think the point was missed, all thoughts are imagined. They build the world we live in, form the stories we have, theories and language, but it’s all thought based. Life, is lived. not thought, what we are, is being/life consciousness, not a thought idea of a person. Thoughts are the root of our troubles because they are limited. It takes a lot of thought work to realize that thoughts are fake, (lol) and then you realize the big root thought of a personal self is the biggest BS of all time. There is nobody here, only what Is. It’s not describable. Any word or talk of reality is a reproduction and misses truth. It’s absolutely incredible revelation. You just started your sentence with “I don’t believe” think about that.. you have the power to believe whatever you want, but it can only be secondary to truth. What really is, has no cause or explanation, thought makes up stories.
His teachings must be a part of every school, college, University, and government systems. They show how to live life peacefully, intelligently with fellow humans
I thoroughly enjoy the titillation of my thinking mind that the Speaker stirs. I have quite the conversation as he presents his truth. It is not always my truth, but that's what makes it interesting after all!
I am glad J.K. realised it is important to record the talks. A few days listening to what he says is not enough to break the conditioning. I often return to listen to random talk of his. EDIT: The thought, product of experience, is limited to what one knows. Then to know something one needs to see it as a whole. Is it possible to see a problem or one self as a whole. What it means to see oneself as a whole? What part in it plays knowledge needed to use tools, inanimate objects.
I like how the whole crowd has the same puzzled look as me 🤣 can't agree with him because then he'll say not to agree with him and can't disagree with him because it makes sense 🤣
I wouldn't get hung up on that. If you truly see the truth of what he's saying, you are Krishnamurti, or he's you. Truth doesn't belong to him or to you or to anybody, and is not subject to agreement. But tip your hat to K: HE started this absolutely necessary, urgent and self-effacing discussion, all these decades ago.
K was certainly on to something. His talks are my first choice of listening. He believes the world is “corrupt.” He often begins on that premise. But he’s wrong. Never has the world been a better place to live. By almost every scientific measure of wellbeing, humanity is prospering when measured by past indicators. We are healthier, wealthier, and wiser. Yes, there is suffering in this world, but you can’t name a time when there was less. Humanity is improving. Maybe not as fast as it should, but we are going in the right direction. Thanks
Yes, thanks to the very same scientific & technological advances, the slaughter has kept pace. That is why the century with the biggest achievements was also the century of the bloodiest wars fought with the most horrible weapons. Another thing that has predictably kept pace is the posturing. And obviously this contradiction continues, because, what is there to stop it?
Yes, artificial intelligence (the one before, now or the one to come) is more of the same... It is the hegemony of thought, whether it is thought by the machine builder or by the machine that has thought the builder... It is evident that to elucidate what will happen in the immediate future is very appealing (there are many spaces on the Internet where thought takes new forms, astrological, etc.), but it still feels more of the same, the absolute rule of space-time, which implies, curiously, the impossibility that it itself is observed. The split observer, fascinated with new forms to analyze and pursue.
Is he talkin about action in real world or psychological action? is he pointing not to think on daily life challenges? I am confused & now I am can't decide anything
Thought is not the same as the act. The act of thinking can be compared to a stone rolling down a hill, leaving a trail behind. Even though it can't see where it's going, the act of thinking feels like it's in control because it's marking the trail behind.
I supose you have the world and/or yourself (same thing) under control anyway? If so make yourself ecstatic right now, then you wouldn't be anxious to ask the question. Either that or you're already not in control, in which case drop the delusion and enjoy the ride! :)
Could you post the link of the complete video? I don't find it as usual in the description? Thanks for uploading these short videos, they often lead me to listen to the complete talk.
he is kinda LOST... cos no thoughts is actaully coming from anyone at all and cant be located.. and i dont know what brain is he talking about.. he also stuck in the illusion of hearsay..
Beware the illusion of the ego, it can make some narcissistic, arrogant and discombobulated. JK's main understanding is "you are not your thoughts". Be humble god
You can locate your thoughts... Can a thought comes to you from a language which you don't know ???? Think about it... You will get it... Can you think about hindi, Tamil, Kannad... No You can't... You can only think about things which have a memory in your Brain.
Well, he spoke very clearly and made sense, and was also very humble. Whereas you call yourself "GOD" and talk in complete nonsense word-salad. The one who is "LOST" is you. Maybe try looking at yourself before judging others you obviously don't even understand.
He is one of the few men in my lifetime who has allowed to examine what I thought (past) I knew by wiping my slate clean of loaded thoughts and senseless thinking. Now I function from feeling, mindfulness and observation.
2-3 years after arriving in the USA (1990), I was robbed at the gunpoint. At that time I did not understand the significance of that experience for me. I considered it a dreadful thing. Years later I realized that it was one of the best things that could have happened to me :) Why? For years my mind resembled a NIAGRA FALLS - a constant flow of thought. That evening, when I heard behind me the click of the reloaded handgun... my mind FROZE. NO THOUGHT was PRESENT at all. ALL my actions were just PERFECT. The robber got maybe 20 bucks in one-dollar bills, but $100-150 I had in my shirt's pocket I saved. I remember the moment when my thinking came back and with it .... shaking of the body, stupid thoughts .. etc. I had my PROOF that thinking is not needed to act RIGHT. Now, at 55 my mind is not in control. I AM. Peace in "the head" is a priceless thing. J.K. is absolutely RIGHT !!!
Amazing story! Very good example of what JK is talking about and that no matter how serious we deem a situation, overthinking it is not guaranteed to help. Like you said, you did everything perfectly without having to clog your mind with thoughts. Thanks for sharing!
(PS. wyemigrowałeś z Polski?)
K has said : I do not think - All thought is destructive Truly this is the state of his mind ;he is beyond thought ( psychologically) Also he loves in a state where time and space do not exist For this refer to "Poems and Prables" He is a man of hyperbolic dimensions
There was unconscious thought when he was robbing you, and the thought was "save as much as you can and do as he telling so that he doesnt shoot because i want to live." Kids wont do that because they dont have memory about how to handle that situation. Your act came from subconscious thought. You can not act without a thought.
@@Searcherpqpqpq and that springs from an incident,that incident an experience,we have so many experiences so innumerable thoughts,how to manage that many gives wisdom.0
Are you able to interrupt the thought process at will, or is it that your mind is generally not active until you require it? how does it work
I think because I am?
I think too much because I am too much?
I do love Krishnamurti💫
Not exactly. the video is incomplete. the question of why we think at all wasnt answered but the video explained only HOW thinking works
When will this be in our schools?Teaching children how to think,not what to think.This man is 🎯♥️
Can you speak any word without thinking?
That's not gonna happen. School education is mainly to serve it's purpose which is making a living. In my words money making Machine.
Rather: making children aware that they are able to perceive life, « beyond thought ». Beyond all division. Thought is invited to come to an end, to remain behind, silent, at its designed place. Ordinary thinking is a pathology of the brain-machine-cage. Yet, the brain can be revivified.
@@kajimagar3488 yes...auch when u get hurt
Parents have to do it not schools.
Accident-->experience-->knowledge-->Memory-->thought
1. Experiences are registered in the brain as knowledge.
2. Knowledge is rooted in the past, making it unable to fully grasp the ever-changing nature of reality.
3. Memory is the outcome of knowledge (past experiences), therefore it is subject to distortion by emotions, desires, and biases. It traps us in repetitive patterns, limiting our ability to engage with the present moment freshly.
4. Thought operates within the boundaries of memory, preventing access to the new or unknown. It categorizes, analyzes, and fragments our perception, leading to division and misunderstanding.
Awareness and attention, on the other hand, enable direct perception without the filters of thought.
A very relaxed K. 😊.
In a 🌎 where artificial intelligence begins pointing out how so called human intelligence is more artificial than once believed…
I’ll just relax and look forward to some 🔥 drops this weekend, like every weekend. 😅. Thanks, Krishnamurti Foundation. The edits always hit the spot.
I don't believe AI does that. Machine learning algorithms have become adept at simple sets of things. AI that recognizes fruits exist, but they can't describe the taste meaningfully. AI is generating art, but requires training with human art, and the original training images are derivable from the algorithms. No AI can build on a large group of such algorithms usefully, or synthesize a meaningful new understanding. At every point, we understand what an AI is doing, or can deduce logically its working within a defined framework of human-provided experience.
I think I talked my way around to understanding your point.
I think the point was missed, all thoughts are imagined. They build the world we live in, form the stories we have, theories and language, but it’s all thought based.
Life, is lived. not thought, what we are, is being/life consciousness, not a thought idea of a person. Thoughts are the root of our troubles because they are limited. It takes a lot of thought work to realize that thoughts are fake, (lol) and then you realize the big root thought of a personal self is the biggest BS of all time. There is nobody here, only what Is. It’s not describable. Any word or talk of reality is a reproduction and misses truth. It’s absolutely incredible revelation.
You just started your sentence with “I don’t believe” think about that.. you have the power to believe whatever you want, but it can only be secondary to truth. What really is, has no cause or explanation, thought makes up stories.
His teachings must be a part of every school, college, University, and government systems. They show how to live life peacefully, intelligently with fellow humans
💥 When you discuss this subject, you are already thinking, using your intellect. You can't stop thinking, you only can use it for your living. 🎉❤
I thoroughly enjoy the titillation of my thinking mind that the Speaker stirs. I have quite the conversation as he presents his truth. It is not always my truth, but that's what makes it interesting after all!
I am glad J.K. realised it is important to record the talks. A few days listening to what he says is not enough to break the conditioning. I often return to listen to random talk of his.
EDIT:
The thought, product of experience, is limited to what one knows. Then to know something one needs to see it as a whole. Is it possible to see a problem or one self as a whole. What it means to see oneself as a whole? What part in it plays knowledge needed to use tools, inanimate objects.
Marvelous presentation, and I find it as a tool to scan the wide spectrum of life.
from my limited understanding...thanks K
I like how the whole crowd has the same puzzled look as me 🤣 can't agree with him because then he'll say not to agree with him and can't disagree with him because it makes sense 🤣
I wouldn't get hung up on that. If you truly see the truth of what he's saying, you are Krishnamurti, or he's you. Truth doesn't belong to him or to you or to anybody, and is not subject to agreement. But tip your hat to K: HE started this absolutely necessary, urgent and self-effacing discussion, all these decades ago.
One Love ✊🏿
K was certainly on to something. His talks are my first choice of listening. He believes the world is “corrupt.” He often begins on that premise. But he’s wrong. Never has the world been a better place to live. By almost every scientific measure of wellbeing, humanity is prospering when measured by past indicators. We are healthier, wealthier, and wiser. Yes, there is suffering in this world, but you can’t name a time when there was less. Humanity is improving. Maybe not as fast as it should, but we are going in the right direction. Thanks
Yes, thanks to the very same scientific & technological advances, the slaughter has kept pace. That is why the century with the biggest achievements was also the century of the bloodiest wars fought with the most horrible weapons. Another thing that has predictably kept pace is the posturing. And obviously this contradiction continues, because, what is there to stop it?
Tell that to the world leaders who just cant wait to press button
Wiser? Not at all.
Genius!
Truly amazing….wow
Becoz how mental think and destroy life is bouncing over my head
Yes, artificial intelligence (the one before, now or the one to come) is more of the same... It is the hegemony of thought, whether it is thought by the machine builder or by the machine that has thought the builder...
It is evident that to elucidate what will happen in the immediate future is very appealing (there are many spaces on the Internet where thought takes new forms, astrological, etc.), but it still feels more of the same, the absolute rule of space-time, which implies, curiously, the impossibility that it itself is observed. The split observer, fascinated with new forms to analyze and pursue.
K ❤
Good question. But few people need ask it because most hoomans don't bother...they just repeat what they're told or read somewhere.
Only free will is ones thinking
Is he talkin about action in real world or psychological action?
is he pointing not to think on daily life challenges?
I am confused & now I am can't decide anything
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Thought is not the same as the act.
The act of thinking can be compared to a stone rolling down a hill,
leaving a trail behind.
Even though it can't see where it's going, the act of thinking feels like it's in control because it's marking the trail behind.
Could the foundation please provide me a link of the most explanatory video on observor is the observed? I am having trouble understanding it?
If all things have no limits it became uncontrollable.
and why do you think there is any control at all? you cant even control when you are going to pee.
I supose you have the world and/or yourself (same thing) under control anyway? If so make yourself ecstatic right now, then you wouldn't be anxious to ask the question. Either that or you're already not in control, in which case drop the delusion and enjoy the ride! :)
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Could you post the link of the complete video? I don't find it as usual in the description? Thanks for uploading these short videos, they often lead me to listen to the complete talk.
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Act of not doing
he is kinda LOST... cos no thoughts is actaully coming from anyone at all and cant be located.. and i dont know what brain is he talking about.. he also stuck in the illusion of hearsay..
Beware the illusion of the ego, it can make some narcissistic, arrogant and discombobulated. JK's main understanding is "you are not your thoughts". Be humble god
He is not but you are.... Its very Easy... Thought comes from Memory...
You can locate your thoughts... Can a thought comes to you from a language which you don't know ???? Think about it... You will get it... Can you think about hindi, Tamil, Kannad... No You can't... You can only think about things which have a memory in your Brain.
I believe it’s the brain in everyone’s head he refers to 👍
Well, he spoke very clearly and made sense, and was also very humble. Whereas you call yourself "GOD" and talk in complete nonsense word-salad. The one who is "LOST" is you. Maybe try looking at yourself before judging others you obviously don't even understand.