Simucube SC2 Sport Review | Long term | In depth | SC2 Pro Comparison

[@simucube]

Thank you for excellent review Laurence! Your feedback has been well noted in the Simucube team. We're carefully listening reviews and user opinions to steer our development and decision making!

[@LaurenceDusoswa]

It's humbling for me that you have taken the time to comment on this review. It is clear that you are listening and innovating. The future is very exciting! I'm yet to meet an unhappy simucube owner :p

[@kb5057]

@@LaurenceDusoswa Have you heard any news on a SC3? Release dates etc? Im in the market for a DD (currently on CSW V2.5). Id rather not spend £££s if there is a newer model on the horizon
Cheers!!

[@_xndrzt]

@@kb5057 fairly sure there won't be any new wheelbases from Granite in the near future.

[@kb5057]

@@_xndrzt Thankyou, I have a pro2 now anyway! :D

[@jess_o]

MicroCenter is selling this base for $999 with a GSI X-29 thrown in for free! No brainer deal, I just snagged it today. Can't wait to have it all mounted to my rig!

[@LaurenceDusoswa]

Yep INSANE deal

[@buttdyno]

I like the intro. It's like the SC2 sport is touring the countryside, seeing the sights.

[@LaurenceDusoswa]

Hahaha yeah I like making the videos interesting to watch while I talk about the products :) glad you enjoyed it

[@apexvisiontv]

When you watch this 2 years after recording and you hear him say more companies should have backlit buttons 😂. I get it tho I love driving in the dark. Keep up the great content. You were definitely right about that taking off as a feature

[@LaurenceDusoswa]

Haha yep. It’s amazing how many companies listened to me about various things that I value in sim racing hardware. Pretty crazy to be able to have a bit of influence like that

[@apexvisiontv]

@@LaurenceDusoswa great content makes the opinion valuable! 👏🏾

[@RexWui]

Thanks for the review, Laurence! My reasons for going with Sport over Pro was the form factor. I wanted a compact setup and felt the power of the Sport was already more than sufficient and difference between the two was barely noticable. The biggest deterrent to the Pro for me, which was not mentioned in this review, was that the Pro has a clunky 2 power supply setup. We all have to deal with a lot of cables and power supplies already! The Sport is far more elegant.

[@LaurenceDusoswa]

You're very welcome! The form factor is nice, although it's not a HUGE amount smaller either. I did mention the 2 power supply thing in this video, and the revision 2 Pro now comes with one power supply, which is also mentioned ;)

[@RexWui]

@@LaurenceDusoswa Thnaks! I missed it! Subbed to your channel - enjoying your content!

[@kolysion164]

is a sport good compared to a DD1 from Fanatec

[@DavidGarcia-oi5nt]

Neat video! But i gotta say that putting the base on the concrete gives me a considerable amount of anxiety, I covered my entire wheel deck in painter's tape to not chance any scratches on my DD haha. Great content like always Laurence ;)

[@LaurenceDusoswa]

hahaha you're not the first to say that :p nobody ever sees the base of the wheelbase anyways ;) #doitforthegram

[@DavidGarcia-oi5nt]

@@LaurenceDusoswa :D

[@exiteternium]

the pinout for the accessory port is available on their website, and yes, the SC2 does support analog pedals, you just kinda hafta make them yourself, or wire them in yourself.. with 5 volt output, grounds, and sensor input. it is why simcoach pedals are able to be wired via the wheelbase.

[@LaurenceDusoswa]

Yeah it’s complex

[@jonboy2950]

Nice review Laurence. I haven't seen many videos from you recently. I think my TH-cam algorithm has stopped suggesting sim racing since I broke my foot.

[@LaurenceDusoswa]

Yeah I've been super busy and the algorithm does punish severely for that :p All good though :)

[@CYMotorsport]

3:40 counter point: not all Nm are made equal. I’ve never tested those exact models so I’d love get your informed opinion on this.
Mathematically, your example has the Fanatec with a bigger jump though it doesn’t seem like at first glance. It equates to 60% vs a 47% jump for the Simu for 70 fewer euros. So technically the Fanatec is more but you can’t charge a premium for a 17 nm wheel and ask for “an even more perfect” experience to go to 25 haha
In my experience, there does come a diminishing return. Getting beyond a certain level does get harder and harder to distinguish. I’ve used a Leo and it starts to get to a level where 26 I couldn’t tell you the difference in 23. It’s all great there haha. But if I had to guess, their marketing team knows the jump from 5 to 8 separates the casual and promotes you to a track that leads ultimately to podium DD2. I doubt they are pricing anyone out considering that leap , if that makes sense. Thoughts? Can you actually FEEL the nm change?

[@LaurenceDusoswa]

Yes good points. I can feel it because I’m used to these devices but a blind test could prove that I don’t, that’s how close they can be with the right settings. I agree with what you’re saying. I do think that the pro is better though. It’s ability to transmit a microscopic piece of hard feedback like hooking a kerb or regaining grip is just really pleasant. The sport is not far behind.

[@CYMotorsport]

@@LaurenceDusoswa basically if you can’t feel the difference, it ain’t for you haha I hear you. That makes a lot of sense actually. I’m thinking like a marketer, you’re thinking like a driver. I suppose if you’re gonna go for it, you go all the way. I’ll have to see if I can get my hands on a tester or I’ll have to make an extra video or two haha But it sounds like a good time. Good video sir!

[@naxalar]

Great review as always and yeah, the marginal price difference between the Sport and the Pro is basically just noise when you are shopping at that price point.
Here in Canada that price difference is currently ~$300 between the two and if I were upgrading I would be getting the Pro.
Keep up the great work man!

[@LaurenceDusoswa]

Thanks for the kind comment! Yeah the pro is too tempting for most people I think.

[@virtual5651]

"This is the best review I've ever seen" - some internet racing guy

[@LaurenceDusoswa]

hahaha thanks

[@taeheonkim2860]

Cant wait for the alpha mini review!

[@hachirokumedia2195]

Same

[@LaurenceDusoswa]

Same :)

[@taeheonkim2860]

@@LaurenceDusoswa approximately when will it come out?

[@ceux2]

I got a mini already but still want the review. 😆

[@TwoIrresponsibleGamers]

Another awesome review Laurence, absolutely LOVED the cinematic shots in different places. But all that footage of racing without any gloves on... I can imagine Iain having a nervous eye twitch while watching this...
I admire your absolute honesty throughout every video you release. That antenna was immediately the first thing I saw and also didn't really like.
Keep the quality coming, my legendary potato lord!

[@LaurenceDusoswa]

Hahaha thanks :) yeah some of the footage was taken just for this video and on super hot days 😂 but I always test with and without gloves so that I don’t miss anything.

[@DavidGarcia-oi5nt]

I cant stand Alcantara on anything, forcing you to either glove up for a video game? No thanks, but at least the Sparco hypergrip gloves were inexpensive.

[@midnight_driver71]

Nice review LD!! I still think it should have the connections between the wheel and the base integrated in the quick release system (which has to be rethink because it lacks in terms of simplicity). If Simucube correct these issues, then I think the SC3 will be PERFECT.

[@LaurenceDusoswa]

Yep, I agree. I mentioned that in the video and the fact that some other manufacturers are getting it right :) Thanks for the comment. I'm excited about the SC3

[@_xndrzt]

I don't agree. one of the strong points of Granite motors is the fact that it doesn't rely on a proprietary base-wheel connection. you can literally use any wheel on the market, put on a qr and you are ready to go, which is a big difference from Fanatec on which, if you want to use an aftermarket wheel, you need to buy the podium hub for an extra 200euro. SC2 ffb always works, it doesn't need to "connect" to the wheel. it is also true for whireless wheels, sure you can't use the wheel buttons but ffb always works, it is indipendent from the wheel. so no, I don't think it will be a good idea.

[@midnight_driver71]

@@_xndrzt I understand your opinion but I was talking of a D1 Spec QR which should be, at least for me, the industry standard as it is so good and cheap. Some brands like Simagic or Moza Racing are now using this QR. They are just adding some pins for the electronic connection between the wheel base and the wheel itself. These customised versions of the D1 Spec QR are available on their resellers websites for a lot cheaper asking price than the Fanatec QR (from 70 to 80 €). And yes, I definitly think the Fanatec's QR system is overpriced. It's a much less good QR system compared to the D1 Spec QR.

[@AdamsOlympia]

@@_xndrzt My fanatec DD’s shaft connection started disconnecting after the first 24 hours of owning it. (6+ hours of heavy use)
I’m so glad to be moving to a Simucube 2 Pro and wireless wheel - they have such a smart, robust solution, with no worries of connection issues.

[@OhItsThat]

I love my SC2 Pro, HRS XeroPlay QR and SimCore UM1-ALN.

[@LaurenceDusoswa]

Nice combo! Dream setup for most of us

[@JoernR]

Maybe another tiny decision helper: I own the SC2 Pro - and every time I use it there's that "Simucube Grin" on my face.
Plus: I found that I never use any power settings above 49 % with any racing simulation, resulting in a bit more than 12 NM of torque. So I never exceed that power range the Sport version easily offers. - Except in situations when a big-mouth visitor asks for (and regrets) it. :D
Thus I can just second and underline what Laurence already said.

[@LaurenceDusoswa]

nice one :) Glad you're enjoying it! What a time to be alive

[@MrTemplarious]

I bet that users of SC2 Sport they also have a grin on their faces ... I hope to be one more soon hehe ;)

[@HexlGaming]

13:36 omg what a beautiful car

[@LaurenceDusoswa]

Thanks you :) My daily driver ;)

[@GamerMuscleVideos]

I was using these over the weekend so good ! Nice video , not sure you are meant to use these as an umbrella though ;)

[@LaurenceDusoswa]

Hahaha well the manual didn’t say that I shouldn’t so it’s not my fault…

[@eye-ann4937]

great vid La! was anyone looking at ya like you were mad, while taking videos of it? lol

[@LaurenceDusoswa]

Hahaha yep! I always get funny looks

[@soundd1020]

BEST REVIEW IVE EVER SEEN

[@LaurenceDusoswa]

Excellent… Next time, less caps. It will convey your emotion better

[@Smartie40.]

Great review as always. One point to add though, the Pro has a faster slew rate over the Sport as well as the extra power. Totally accept that this may not make a huge real world use difference but I assume this is the subtle difference you mentioned between the two in the detail of feedback and not actually the effect of more power.
I swapped from DD1 to SC2 Pro and it was one of the best things I have done. Same as you mentioned though in that I bought the Pro for what was on the face of a small price increase and when not being able to try both it seemed a safer decision to avoid buyers remorse later.

[@LaurenceDusoswa]

yeah I'm aware of the far greater slew rate. I try not to bore people with technical details in these reviews as it can be very off-putting. It's definitely the main factor in the SC2 Pro having more potential.
Your latter point is also on the money. Buying the Pro is easy to justify.

[@Smartie40.]

100% on your reviews not getting bogged down in the mostly pointless details. Seeing the item being reviewed, unboxed or disassembled adds very little for the average user who just wants the details to help them make a decision on purchasing.
Your reviews do this better than any I have seen. They are never too long and are presented clearly with a feel of absolute honesty and never sit on the fence. You actually share you opinion and not just provide the details.

[@LaurenceDusoswa]

Wow thanks so much for the kind words! I put a LOT of work into each review and juggling that with my full time job and young family is a tough balancing act. Getting comments like this makes it so worth it. Thanks for the motivation and thanks for finding value in what I'm trying to achieve.

[@lap1068]

Fantastic review matey! Love the detail!

[@LaurenceDusoswa]

Thanks man! I really appreciate you taking the time to comment!

[@NicolaosSoldal]

Top class video as usual! Love it, great detail

[@LaurenceDusoswa]

Thanks for watching! Glad you enjoyed it!

[@mustang43058]

Good review. I have really been wrestling with whether to buy the sport or pro. My main concern is being bit by the wheel. I have two previous surgeries on my right hand and thumb from an unrelated incident so I don't want to risk injuring it again. I know a DD is a risk either way but stepping down from 25 to 17 with only a very slight difference in feel seems to be a good idea for my situation.

[@LaurenceDusoswa]

You can set up hands off protection which will stop the forces as soon as younger go of the wheel

[@mustang43058]

@@LaurenceDusoswa I actually just ordered an asetek forte but this review led me to go with a mid power base instead of a pro/ultimate/invicta

[@LaurenceDusoswa]

@@mustang43058nice! The forte is mind blowing. Best 12Nm wheelbase on the market

[@itchie]

Nice review Laurence . I have settings for every game up on true drive if you want sc2 sport settings .

[@LaurenceDusoswa]

nice! I don't have access to paddock yet unfortunately.

[@jonprophet1378]

Got the SC2 Sport in a bundle that made it around $650 USD. You can't beat it but unfortunately, I may have got the last bundle in the US.

[@paulus1412]

Still very happy with my SC2S :) Played rf2 and ACC with it (rf2 is awesome regarding the FFB). Now trying some iracing but that is a complete different world. It feels so empty with the FFB :S

[@LaurenceDusoswa]

iRacing FFB is pretty weak compared to some titles. It's essential to get your settings right though as there's a world of difference once you find decent settings

[@perplexer731]

Thanks for the great review.
I am very happy with my SC Pro. I also feel a lot safer with the Steering Range Limiter.
Yes, the antenna is a weak point. At the time of delivery, the connection was also loose for me. I had to tighten this manually.

[@LaurenceDusoswa]

Yeah they are incredible devices and if anything, I think they’re UNDER hyped in the sim racing work.

[@blackmac1970]

I spent most of the video wondering which random outdoor location it was going to be filmed in next :D. Great review but too much cash for me.

[@LaurenceDusoswa]

I should take it to the movies next! :p

[@glaniu]

it's not just torque that will make sport different from pro. There is a difference in Max torque slew rate (4.8 Nm/ms vs 8 Nm)

[@LaurenceDusoswa]

Of course. I don’t want to bore people with specs that mean very little though. I’m practical terms, and having used both for extensive periods, the difference is tiny. The slew rate is great for sure with the pro but in practical terms, does that make it more realistic? I’m not convinced. The pro is great for definite and if you have doubts, get it. I’m just saying that the sport is plenty good for 99% of people :)

[@kevanhandley7521]

Hi, I’ve got the SC2 Pro. I’m curious what settings you used for ACC please. I’ve only used the default in True Drive so can’t compare to anything. Would love to know your thoughts please.

[@LaurenceDusoswa]

I haven't spend a lot of time on ACC with the SC2 Sport, but i know some people who have great settings. Join my discord (link in video description) and I'll hook you up with some esports drivers who will definitely share their settings.

[@starkalarm]

Love my SC2 Sport. I think now that you can get the Pro with one power brick I would probably would have got that but at the time it came with 2 power bricks. But in saying that I have had no issue with the Sport and it has more than enough power. I would be interested to see if the Pro has a bit more track detail come through.

[@LaurenceDusoswa]

The pro allows for details to be transmitted more aggressively. However, cars have tyres, suspension parts, steering parts, etc, which all absorb or dampen some of the road forces anyways. The Sport has enough power to simulate great road feel accurately and realistically. The Pro has the ability to further exaggerate the feel of the road to the point that you feel more than you would in a real car.

[@starkalarm]

@@LaurenceDusoswa good answer. I hadn’t been in my rig for a couple of months and I got back in today and yes the Sport still blows my mind how good it is. I love it especially on iracing I get my best results, also great on dirt 2.

[@justincutler7480]

Thanks for the review, well done!
How would this compare to the Asetek line? La Prima in particular (pricing aside as i would be buying a bundle)

[@NekoLeiche]

Simucube SC2 Sport or Simagic Alpha? Сomparison and face-to-face test.

[@TheCameltotem]

yes!!!

[@Barry_Mmm]

I'm not in the market for a new wheelbase, but great review.

[@LaurenceDusoswa]

Thanks so much for the nice comment. Yeah one thing I try to do with my reviews is to make something consumable even for people who may not be potential buyers. Your comment means a lot to me.

[@mkaczynski4]

Hi, I'm planning to buy one of the SC2 bases and I have one question regarding mounting. I've seen that you've used mounting bracket fixed to a wheel deck. Is that bracket sturdy enough to handle either of the Sport or the Pro or should I go and buy the front mount for my cockpit?

[@LaurenceDusoswa]

that bracket is plenty strong. any of these brackets are strong enough really

[@BDM_Vb]

nice review is the software now updated for the revision 2 like you can upload settings from other drivers ?

[@LaurenceDusoswa]

Yes the paddock software is now available to everyone

[@Tigerratcat]

Wow that coiled cable and quick release pin looks soo bad. How can Moza, Fanatec and SimMagic have much better powered QR’s where as the “best” Simucube can’t?
Also Simucube needs a proper formula wheel like the GSI Hyper P1

[@LaurenceDusoswa]

Yeah I’m not keen on the pin 😅

[@axephil13]

Merci pour ce tuturiel ,je voudrai savour ce que vous pensez de la différence entre le simicube 2 sport et le alpha simagic (15nm) ,j en au un en ce moment et j ai envie de changer et de prendre un sc2 sport .est ce que le sc 2 est mieux que le alpha? A part le qr que je trouve mieux chez simagic .Merci de votre retour .👍

[@damiaenvanmourik]

Is it a upgrade going from a vrs to the sport?

[@distilledyougamecast3569]

great review! nice car!

[@LaurenceDusoswa]

Haha thanks ❤️

[@RevvinUK]

Great review, I've recently purchased a Simucube 2 Pro. I decided that the difference in price between the Sport and Pro was not big enough to deter me from going with the Pro and the extra power and slew rate. Will I use all of that power? possibly not but I'd have that nagging doubt that maybe I'd have enjoyed the Pro more.

[@LaurenceDusoswa]

Yep, pretty much what I said in the video :)

[@musicmate70]

that cube controls rim is stunning Laurence wayyyyy out of my price range tho :(

[@LaurenceDusoswa]

It's a nice bit of kit for sure! A real joy to use

[@tincanfilms3341]

What’s the best wheelbase under 1500

[@LaurenceDusoswa]

Including steering wheel?

[@tincanfilms3341]

No just wheelbase

[@TheCameltotem]

Ughh can't decide between sport and pro. How strong is 17 nm hmm. Can I wrestle a 17nm wheel or do I need 25nm for that?

[@LaurenceDusoswa]

if you can afford the pro then get it :)

[@TheCameltotem]

Got the Sport! It is for sure strong enough, usually run it at 10-14 nm. Even with 17nm its damn strong with vintage cars so you will still wrestle the wheel at high FFB! Dont worry! :D

[@maas7740]

Did you try the VRS Direct Force Pro? 😊

[@LaurenceDusoswa]

I haven't reviewed one. I reviewed the simplicity SW20 which has the same motor but i hope to get a VRS DFP before the end of this year

[@azzazz4549]

I've never seen an S13 before

[@LaurenceDusoswa]

In real life? What part of the world are you in? I actually recently did a video specifically about my s13

[@spiralmoment]

the pro only needs 1 psu now?

[@LaurenceDusoswa]

Yep, correct

[@DC-wz9gp]

How is it versus alpha n alpha mini

[@LaurenceDusoswa]

It has better force feedback than the Simagic alpha but the latest Simagic firmware brings it really close again. The deciding factor for me is the wheel rims and quick release so I choose the alpha

[@MrTemplarious]

@@LaurenceDusoswa I´m very close to get a SC2 Sport with a very very nice price with a steering wheel included. Before I was thinking about to get the Alpha Mini but this chance made me go for the Sport. Anyway I find interesting how Simagic team is improving their software and I´d love to know if some of the lacks are getting solved. Cheers ;)

[@sherwood3256]

Hi Laurence
Anymore thoughts on this question?
If you had the option in todays market, would uou pick the Alpha 15nm or the Sport 17nm?

[@damienmcmullen3699]

1st :)

[@LaurenceDusoswa]

On the ball!!!

[@jonneymendoza]

That QR looks terible.

[@LaurenceDusoswa]

It’s bulletproof and super functional. But it lacks any fun or reward. It’s purely utilitarian

[@jonneymendoza]

@@LaurenceDusoswa yea I like the moza and simagic QR. It looks and functions soo well.

[@garyxperia7725]

Hi Great video i purchased the simucube 2 pro but i have an annoying electrical noise coming from the wheel base i am unable to silence the noise by changing the settings did you experience and such noise? here is a video of the noise th-cam.com/video/eD_LOadqU_c/w-d-xo.html

[@LaurenceDusoswa]

sorry for the super late reply! I have seen it in some wheelbases and it's usually a settings or firmware issue

[@Dj1Kreationz]

Ive notice some weird spring like noise when turning wheel left and right from the wheelbase...weird 🤔