I just made the jump from a Logitech G25 to a Simagic DD with Loadcel pedals from DC Sim. A massive step up. Seconds gained per lap: 0, slides caught: 0, races won: 0, but my only regret: not having changed sooner, because I am having so much more fun!!! The experience is like going from playing a game to a real simulation. If you are at all serious about simracing, don't waste time and upgrade! You will just enjoy it more, guaranteed.
I have owned the Sport model for mora than a year now. I completely agree with you. You DO NOT notice different between 17 and 25nm except in strength/resistance in the wheel. When I started with sim racing I didn't have anybody to ask about equipment or any experience within sim racing. Like many do, you research until you can't do more research. From my experience now, my upgrade path would look something like this: Step 1 - Beginner setup - Thrustmaster or something like CSL DD or second hand clubsport v2.5 with "basic" pedals such as Fanatec CSL LC or cheaper ones. Step 2 - Upgrading pedals to Fanatec Pedals V3/Heusinkveld Sprint/Asetek Pedals - In my opinion, pedals are much more important than wheelbase. By having consistent braking and learning trail braking is much easier with better pedals. Step 3 - Upgrade the wheelbase when you either get bored or you just want a high-end product that you will adore every night you go to bed. The steering doesn't change because you change wheelbase, only the fine details will be more noticeable. You will easier feel when the car is loosing traction and having easier to save the car from going off-track or slide. Of course everyone doesn't have all the money to buy high-end in the beginning. That is why sim racing is so wonderful. You can upgrade in small steps if you love it. Save for new pedals, wheelbase, that triple monitor setup, handbrake, buttonboxes etc. That is what make sim racing so fun, make it YOUR OWN and enjoy it!
As a SimDrift and JDM/Shutoko enthusiast, the only 2 things I care about are 1. Smoothness and 2. Catching slides/Responsiveness From all I got from multiple reviews is that the Semicube is the best in class when it comes to those 2 qualities.
Those little details are so important Indeed! And as Jonas said, turning up the FFB helps so much ! Wen I start practicing the first day I always use high FFB till I train my muscles memory and then I go back to usual torque 🤛
Great vids as always- Just dropping a message to say Hi, have a great day at work n home- and on behave of our community- Thank You Again for your time and creations👍👍👍✌️
Very valuable and honest info for new direct drivers! Thank you for your contribution to the community. PS. this was nr 1 video TH-cam suggested to me today. You made my day! Best regards Tero, co-counder of Granite Devices.
Thx Tero and thank you guys for the experience you provided for me and the community ❤️ Your brilliant job have made so many people happy around the glob 🍻
Great video mate. I have experience with all 3 as well and totally agree with everything you said in this video. I can’t tell the difference between Sport and Pro at the same power levels and only a slight difference with the Ultimate with it’s slightly faster response time (slew rate).
This makes me happy, currently looking at making the switch and just the extra power usage of the pro makes me skeptical. But in your video from your original review, you said you could feel the difference. Is the firmware better now, or is that just your thoughts after driving both for longer?
My Simucube Pro lands at home tomorrow... Glad to hear I made the right choice (aka the same as you). Thank you for your channel content, really great and so cool to watch. Also very nicely produced, the care you give to your image quality and realization is way beyond others YT simracers ! Thanks again !
Thx Chris ❤️ Today is the day brother 💥 I’m so happy for you know the smiles that base going to bring on your face in the future! I remember driving my first laps and laughing like idiot on my own 🤣 Happy racing brother and thank you for the kind words and support 🍻
Every novice and more experienced sim racer should watch this video at least once and listen very, very carefully. There was nothing I would not totally agree to; one of the best and most honest comparison videos I ever watched.
Top quality video. I recently moved to Simucube 2 pro from CSL DD because i wanted a better experience from force feedback than expecting a better laptime from more expensive wheel base, and i literally surprised at how precise the forcefeedbacks are in simucube. It was right choice for me and I’m glad that you had same idea that pro one is ideal one.
I have a friend who drives in CSL DD and every time he jumps on my rig he is blown how much better those here feels 😃 I’ve been on OSW with Mige motor for 2 years and moved to DD2 but after 4 weeks I give a go to the SC2 and never looked back ! And I was really surprised abused Pro and I really mean I abused this for almost 3 years felt just like those new units here ! Zero wear after 3 years is really great news for us 😃
This is exactly the information needed, thanks for taking so much time and care for 6 weeks to bring this content out .. so much work behind this video and it's really appreciated. Keep up the good work!
Thank you for the support man 🤗 It was something I really wanted to experience and be able to share my personal opinion and help our beautiful community!
DD owner for 5 or 6 years now of the following in order: OpenSimWheel 5000 PPR encoder -> OSW 10,000 PPR + Simucube software mode -> SC1 -> SC2 Pro. These wheels are amazing but I also think they introduce and expose a lot of problems & shortcomings: 1) FFB technology is very basic 1990s technology via Microsoft Direct Input and Immersion Corp. It was never made for the power, acceleration, speed, etc. of DD wheels. 2) Real-life steering system is a passive (ie. reactive) system whereas FFB is an active system. 3) Real-life is basically torque-based control while FFB is speed and/or position-based control. 4) Real life has 100s of times more mass & inertia than FFB (tyres, wheels, suspension, steering column, etc.) What happens in our powerful DD systems if we put a heavier wheel on? Does the FFB slow down and react softer, slower, etc. because of the added mass & inertia like it should and would in real life? No. The OPPOSITE happens! The wheel applies MORE power to try and make up for that extra weight (unless you're in a power/torque clipping situation) in order to try to rotate to a certain point in a certain amount of time. This fundamental logic itself is the complete opposite to real-life...Just this point alone shows how flawed and unrealistic FFB tech is. I still wouldn't ever give rid of my DD wheel, don't get me wrong, but it exposes some very big flaws of how primitive FFB is and makes for some highly unrealistic & un-wanted gaming/driving situations.
I just upgraded from a wooden DIY rig with a Thrustmaster TX to a full 8020 rig with a Simucube 2 Pro, Fanatec shifter and Heusinkvelds Ultimate. It took me about 4 weeks to just find the right settings and almost get back to my old times, still not 100% there but i dont really care about absolute laptimes, the feel and consistecy is not even comparable and the added immersion with having to clutch and use trottle blips is so much fun and fullfilling. Best decision ever!
I was really surprised my pro felt just as good as those 2 here as I really abused it for 3 years ! It like zero wearing! Shame on me to forget to mention that as this is huge ! Those guys have done really good job with those products man 💪
Race Beyond Matter- I really liked how you put it-your explanation on perspective on base selections - very well done and helps some of us select with more knowledge and ease. Thanx Again man✌️
I went with the Sport. Why? I asked my buddies from VPG sim the following question: if you have a list of simracing hardware that I need to drive my 2 favourite car classes (open wheelers and rally), what would you recommend me to buy? I added a budget, and this was their response: Simucube 2 Sport R2 BJ F1 2 pedal set BJ shifter and handbrake F1 wheel and rally wheel PSR1 Simrig This is the setup I use for 2 years now, and I couldn't be happier. There is 1 sim/game where I use 100 percent torque: Assetto Corsa. Everything else, from F1 18 to 21, AMS 2, RF2 to RBR rally I use between 15 to 60 percent of the torque. This is also based on my settings, which are without damping, recon 1, almost never friction. I like this video because it is really comparing, rather than only reviewing. Very good job, immho! Something else: there are so many Simucube owners out there, which never did a research, never watched a single one of the tutorial videos from Simucube and therefore have no clue where clipping is from, where to start with the FFB settings, what the job of TD is. Would be great to see something from you about it
What i have to say... Mate,I can see fire in your eyes and passions in your words!!!! im follow your chanel about a year,watched all video from the chanel,but i remember very good when i sawd first your video in your eyes and words was same Fire & PASSION!!! Bravo,keep going!!! I personally apreciate your hard work!!!
I jumped from a DD1 to the SC2 Pro and right from the start I could feel the difference and have no regrets, love the SC2 Pro. Fanatec is still better with all their wheels being wireless....that I do miss!
Perfect commentary on these. I have the Pro , have watched others buy Other DD bases, tried to explain why Simucube is the only way to go. They have regrets. I don’t.
I had the DD2 before the SC2 Pro and before the OSW with Mige 20nm After switching to SC2 pro I never let any of my friends to go different choice🤭 I just couldn’t let them go 🙈
One question for you, I just added these g belt, from sim experience, I know you are not a fan of motion , neither am I , but I do really love these active belts. Very immersive, have you ever tried them ?
I've just stepped up into a Simucube 2 pro from a csw2.5, it feels amazing but I haven't found too much extra pace as yet, also upgraded to the asetek invicta pedals and also triple monitors so it may take some time to find the speed with so many upgrades all at once
@@izieky found a little bit more pace on road however way more consistency and easier to recover the car before a spin, have found alot more pace on ovals aswell.
@@glenwatkins732 Very interesting. I'm on a CSWv2.5 and sometimes it feels quite powerful enough but not much "fast" if that makes sense. I use all the 8nm and set max strength 7.0 or 8.0 (up to 42nm max) on iRacing. So my question is: what's the main difference going into a DD base with say 17nm+? Do you change max strength values accordingly so the feel becomes much more linear? (I also don't know if I should tick "linear" on the CSWv2.5 on iRacing or not!)
Thanks ,really appreciate it your honesty and testing time you spent. I did ask my ego and going for sport,got same experience and some cash in pocket. Again thanks.Mike
Worth the wait brother 🤜🤛 From someone who’s used the pro for 3 years your words of advise are truly valuable to someone like me who has been considering Simucube for a while now 🏆
Really glad if that I was helpful man ! I really needed to test those 3 models as I always pushed my friends to go for the SC2 Pro but now I have so much clear picture 😃
All simucubes should feel the same-ish as long as they are not being pushed passed their capacity, and that's a good thing. Things to consider is is wheels and accessories attached. If you planning on running heavier wheels with extensions, heavier button boxes or a big truck wheel for tuck sim you may want that extra power to swing the wheel around.
Awesome round up of these bases, I've been waiting for your thoughts, really enjoyed listening to the whole clip. Very happy with my Sport and nice to see it hold its own with the bigger brothers. Granite must realise they have a great advocate in you and VF appreciate the comparison to the real world cars.
I’m so happy to know the Sport gives absolutely the same experience I’m personally getting from my Pro as for years friends wanted to save some cash but I wasn’t sure if was the best choice! Now I have so much clear picture😃 Thx for the support buddy 🍻
I have simucube sport, and with a 27 cm formula rim, I've never used more than 8.5 nm. With my 33 cm rally wheel, the max I used was 11 nm. Not planning to go beyond these numbers anytime soon.
I know what you mean ! Sometimes for fun I run very high torque but I. General I stay round 11 as well with 300mm wheels and for some cars is too much!
@@chepilevski Exactly Sir. There is a sweet spot where you get maximum feel, but without fighting with the wheel too much (which actually makes you slower)
Can you please tell me what are your ffb ingame settings for acc please. Love your vids bro. Started building my own interior of the cockpit because of your videos. Brilliant 🙌🏽
I‘m about to buy my first DD soon. Upgraded everything else before and for me the biggest improvement were the pedals and seating position. I‘m glad I came across your video, wasn’t sure if I should get the sport or pro. You finally sold me the sport haha Currently still using the g920 and I love it but I’m really looking forward for that direct drive feeling. Great video man, it’s rare to see such a honest opinion.
I'm with you on buy my first DD as well. I am one of those guys that, if I spend money. I would rather spend it once. So been hours of research and this video finally gave me my answer. Simucube sport, here I come. Lol Now: What pedals should I get?
@@under6977 I use fanatec V3 and they feel good but for my taste they are kinda too „small“. It’s important that you choose loadcell pedals, that’s a big thing when it comes to consistency and feel
Hi man, I got the Pro as my first ever wheel base, I will even say more, for my first EVER experience holding a wheel in my life - I have never drove a real car, or even played any simulators before. I used to play NFS and Flatout on keyboard or controller occasionally, and considered GTA5 car physics perfect for my liking. I have now been using it for the past couple of months, mostly in VR and I really love it, I learned driving manual h-pattern and all I do is driving hotlaps in shaky 80s shitbox cars in AC (thank you Arch for those physics mod, the cars are so unstable, I love it). I have round deep Momo dish to drive those old cars, with custom Shh Newt shifter and more oval one from Fanatec mounted to SRB BB Ultra button box for ACC or modern cars. I really enjoy my experience, I have nothing to compare it to but I don't feel like I lack anything, I have zero need or desire or wish for something 'better', which was my plan, do it once but do it good! I know it will be a long time before I will resemble anything near being a good driver, but this is fine, as I just enjoy driving it, really calms me down and puts me in in a zen zone. I use it every day.
They are working well for sure man ! I was on Fanatec CSW v1 for 3 years and V2 for one + 5 years on Logitech G25 and G27 I was always happy with whatever I had 😃
im at the phase where i want to buy a cockpit and sell my g29 and upgrade to a fanatec csl DD or any other Direct drive that can be at the same level ( maybe that simucube can be a option) im not an alien, far from that, but im consistent or at least i try to be... i drive to enjoy, because i like sim racing, because at that exact moment is like i am at the car in real life and forget about all the day.. i hope i can archieve this mark in my life! thank you for your words! you're an inspiration
In that video I will share here you can see the settings I use in AMS2 but those are my IRacing settings in which I just limited the rotation to 540 degrees for AMS2 For ACC I have to check on my PC but they are different from those ! Skip to 7:42 and you will see it guys ! th-cam.com/video/h-g6poU4VZM/w-d-xo.html
My SC pro has arrived last week, along with the Cube controls zero. Just a few weeks to fix the new house and can't wait to try the settings you shared with me a few video's ago. I had a few friends with that same reaction: "what is your wheel heavy compared to mine". So if I hear you in this, your settings probably going to be loved 🤘🏻 thanks again
I think your advice is good for every choice we must make in our life. Is something we learned in our life and something we choose to forget many times. So...good for you to remember me that true. Hope to remember easily next time.🙃
i can already imagine getting biceps getting direct drive but im currently on a logitech right now but it kind of breaking down lol the potentiometers are going crazy throttle is kinda janky and the paddle shifters doesnt really click anymore but hey it still works and im still having a blast
I enjoy my G29, I am thinking about getting to something more serious. But all considered, all I want is feelings right? Feel more, experience more.. I'll take a part of the budget and go regularly to my local go kart track! I bet it would be a nice complement, if and only if nobody rams me
Ask your ego!! That is why i trust you dude Personally i will buy the alpha,in one or two weeks after i buy my 8040 rig. I would like to have the Ultimate but honestly i dont think it matters so i prefer the 250 and buy a good chair with that money.
I own a simucube 2 sport and love it on gt1 Evo frame and triple 32in curved 2k monitor for PC sim For console sim I have Gran Turismo DD package with v3 pedals and different rim from stock cheap gt rim fanatec sends you
I love my Simucube 2 but lets phase it, Its no magic FFB. The game outputs the FFB and it will feel the same on a G29 or Simucube. The simucube 2 is however more solid in the feedback and a lot stronger. It's not going to shock you but you will have a lot more fun. But with that said my g29 was really damn good for the price and you can without doubt have just as much fun,.
@Jonas Jonaitis lmao check my channel I got a simucube 2. Im saying the its the output of the game that gives you FFB and that makes a huge deal. G29 is obviously worse in all ways but if you think you can't feel understeer, weight shift, oversteer, bumps from a G29 youre just mad.
As I’ve always said,I spend 5 years on G25 and G27 and another 3 on CSW V1 and V2.5 then 4+ years on different DD wheels and I have been always happy person and loved all of the gears I ever used😃 that been said , I totally agree drivers can have fun with any gear but I will never forget laughing on my own the first week of switching to my OSW and having all those aha moments from every curve I felt on the road and understanding why the actual texture of the road 😃 I understand for some people that is not big deal and that’s normal but for me was huge 😃
Great video! I had the fanatec dd before, and I upgraded to the Simucube pro. The feel of the car, road is amazing. Can’t even compare. Got a question! What’s your favorite rim for gt driving?
I switched from OSW to Fanatec DD and then the Pro and I was blown how much better that felt man ! Some people didn’t notice that difference much but for me was huge😃 If you as what size , I prefer 300mm And my favorite wheel I have for GT cars is the with the BMW look is the SSRG competition 300 but unfortunately the company doesn’t produce those anymore 😔 The rim itself is the Sport Line Competition 300 which you can find on SimRacingBay website 🤛
My problem wasn't getting faster... It was getting more consistent and not having to worry about the equipment failing during long stints and races. My G27 and TM RS300 were great for short races, but they really were failing too often, as were my pedal sets. Now I don't have to worry about the brake or throttle getting stuck at 80% 30 mins into a 2hour race
That is Hadron display which I attached to simple Sport Line 300 wheel buddy! I have a video about it In which I just replaced the normal with coil USB cable 😃
Just like racing money makes you faster but can you get it there or can you extract the overhead better equipment gives you. Yes some of us. But there is one non debatable fact and that is the more money you spend the more real it gets.
Actually don’t even have reasons to run hotter as the sport have shorter mottos and the cooling solution is the same buddy! I personally didn’t notice any heating and those bases just got little warm on top and that is !
Great vídeo as always, I have a Simucube pro 2 and enjoy it a lot. Quick question in your opinion what combination of sim , car and track felt to you the more realistic Thanks and continue the good work 💪
Thx buddy 🤛 I always enjoy the most IRacing and always felt to me the most realistic even if people complain and call it (ace racing ) I liked a lot the FFB of Automobilista 2 as well ! In ACC all bases goes crazy with those settings and I had to turn up some filters which makes the wheels little slow 🤛
Nurburgring with g29 : 2:05min With t300 : 2:00 With loadcell brake : 1:58 With DD : 1:56 With real race experience : 1:54 With DD, IRL experience and simrace experience: 1:50 (Both ironical and accurat) 😅😁
Black Friday is coming this week at Simucube. I'm always 1s slower than top aliens per lap in same conditions. Using a CSL elite 1.1 right now with Venym pedals, fo you think a DD would help catch a bit ?
There two reasons DD wheel can help buddy! 1 . You will feel more of the car and you may find few things to polish! 2 . You will save more the tires 3. You will enjoy more driving and you may drive more 😃 But that last second is very hard to be found and will need lots of work and practice!
@@chepilevski thanks for the answer. On tyre saving I'm actually good since I don't exploit them clinicaly and don't push them 100% since I don't feel the absolute limit. I know I don't have talent to catch the last second but wondering if it can get me about 0.5 faster more or less. Specially considering my actual setup. Is your Sport / Pro feedback based on ACC also ? You talked about rally games and iRacing which I never play
the main difference between the 3 should be evaluated on the slew rate values, the pro has double the limit of the sport - 8nm/s vs 4nm/s - which means a way faster power delivery even at equal torque levels. i had both and the pro is way better, a lot more precise, crisp, clear, detailed and fast ffb delivery than the sport.
Lol funny you mention that when half the community runs sub 1nm/s anyways. You a much better rubbery feeling from the tyre, I don't get this obsesion with having it as quick as possible, thats not a real life tyre works anyways. Hell even the G29 is fast enough to catch slides with. So sport vs pro is only if you want a stronger base.
This is not scientific tests but normal driver experience 😃 I know all the differences on paper but I didn’t felt any of those even if I wanted to ! That doesn’t mean there is not but only what I personally felt trough all the test 🤛 Usually I’m bit critical about what I want personally to feel from my base 🙈
Thanks, that was really informative. I've been planning to go DD for a while now, but I want to do it once, and once only. Simucube has topped the list, but I was really wondering between the sport and the pro, and you've convinced me that the extra €300 for the pro is worth it for peace of mind, even if I never use the higher torque available. A quick question If I may. What wheel rims would you recommend - I would need two, one standard round rim to cover road cars and rally, and one GT/Formula style rim. Again thanks for the video - it was really helpful.
Hi buddy, about the wheels there are so many options and you must make your research but good starting point can be the wheels from Simracingbay and Cube Control as both of these have those options and are great quality! Here are two links www.simracingbay.com/wireless-steering-wheels/ www.cubecontrols.com/a-next-gen-wheel-introducing-f-pro/
@@chepilevski Hey, thanks for getting back to me. It looks like I'm going to have to go with the sport as the pro is just completely unavailable apart from Simucube themselves who don't ship to der Schweiz. Still it's going to be a massive update over a TS-PC Racer. I've also found two wheels from Cube Controls that will suit my needs perfectly. So again thanks for your help.
@@chepilevski Just to bring this to a conclusion - I pulled the trigger. I have a SC2Pro, SC Tahko GT21, Ascher Racing F28-SC V2, plus wheelside QR and mount on the way. It hurt, oh boy it hurt, but the taxman was nice to me this year with a significant refund so he's paid for most of it. Again many thanks for the video, and the follow up info - Danke, vielen dank. Viel Spass, und mach's gut.
Hi, I have 2 questions: - Where you buy these awesome wheels? - On your base, do you have an extension for the wheel? As always, awesome video. Regards.
That for the support buddy 🍻 The BMW is fro SSRG (competition 300) The curved R8 is from (SiMedal) The Rally is from (SimCore) The Lamborghini GT3 (Simracingbay) The Bentley and green Porsche is SSRG 2 Fanatec ( McLaren and RS) And the AMG is from Acelitdesign Cheers buddy 🍻
How are u brother. So little nosey question lol what is that at 10:17 next to the wheel base with simucube written on it. Great video and extremely well explained so any can understand. IM happy with my Pro which i got off the back of ur DD1 VS SC2 Pro
I have just literally added the SC2 Ultimate to my rig. It is sublime, has way more power than I could ever need, but the detail is stunning. I would love to know what sort of settings you use for True Drive and sim titles like AMS2, ACC and iRacing. One of the issues I have found is most of the shared profiles on the True Drive Paddock software were initially created for either the Sport or Pro bases, so the shared profiles from these bases don't feel that great on the Ultimate. I have been reducing the overall strength of the wheel by 20% if using a profile from a Pro base. So yeah, please share some of your base and sim settings. 👏👏👏👏
My settings are always very simple man ! I usually use the reconstruction filter Dow to 3 for AMS2 and IRacing and up to 5 on ACC ! I also always use maximum power from the true drive and tune that from the game to my like with the different cars as they all feel different! I also keep down the friction and damping to 5% as I just prefer to feel as much details as I can even if is harsh and noise some times ! Mostly my wheel FFB is very raw and im not sure if you will like the feeling as we are different but it is worth trying to keep things raw for few days and see if you will feel little more connected with the car ! Most of the settings I tested online have completely different approach and I see many people prefer to keep the FFB some slow and smooth but I personally can’t even feel what the car is doing! Make it as fast as you can and give it few days and if you don’t like it just test different things but try to keep the reconstruction filter 5 and below 🤛
First of all, the content you produce is really good! Keep it up! Just wanted to ask your opinion on this one: I own 2 bases, 1 Fanatec Podium DD1 w/ 2 wheels (Formula and Porsche) and 1 Simucube 2 Pro + OEM USB Wheel. I want to sell one of them as it makes no sense owning both. Which one would you sell? Regarding the Fanatec I just don't like the cogging feel to it, the rest is fine by me, as I also own the pedals and gear shifter from Fanatec ecosystem. Thank you!
I’m sticking with fanatec Podium DD *( 20nm max torque)* so I can use it in my PC/PS4/PS5 *( quite a few games I play on my wheel on PS4 that aren’t GRan Turismo F that game )* if I ever buy one *( a PS5 that is )* , I would buy Moza but with import tax’s and everything it comes out same as fanatec probably a little higher actually and it’s only PC compatible at 15nm of torque if Moza were PS/PC I might consider it but still probably wouldn’t I like my fanatec gear so far, although I would like some hydraulic pedals like some sim tag I heard if you have a fanatic podium DD *( which I believe is a DD1 basically same NM rating for torque )* you can use PC only breaks on PS’s
I really believe the SC2 ultimate is overkill and the SC2 pro have been my choice just for not thinking what if 🙈 Ultimate is for people who just keep the high standards and don’t mind the cash at all.
Can someone recommend their favorite steering wheels in their collection? Building my first sim rig and coming from go-kart racing. I plan on having a formula wheel, GT Wheel, go-kart wheel and rally car/road car wheel. Mounting the wheels to an SC2 Pro. Thanks in advance!
I just ordered the Formula Cube Control Formula wheel and they have also great road wheels as well ! Other option you can check is the Simracingbay which have both stile in his web ! Sim Core is another option with great quality wheels and for formula you can check the Gomez Sim Racing wheels as well! Moza have done a very adorable FSR formula which will have conversation kit for all bases on the market! Those are companies I have tried and they all have great quality for there prices!
Hello, I would like to get a Simucube 2 Pro but I am struggling to find a decent Formula steering wheel for a decent price. Ascher and Cube decent rims are 1000€, which is so much. I see you have so many rims, where did you get them? Thanks.
Thanks for the video, as a SC2 Pro owner, i feel even more happy with my choice now :) Just one question for you man, would you mind to share your simucube software settings ?
Thx brother 🍻 In that video I share here if you skip to 7:42 you will see the settings I use for AMS2 but those will work perfect for the IRacing except the rotation which I limit to 540 on AMS2 ! For ACC I will share soon on true drive 🤛 th-cam.com/video/h-g6poU4VZM/w-d-xo.html
That ultimate is the biggest con in gaming. Literally only difference is it has some filters the pro doesn't have for £1500 extra. Should be a max of £400 extra for warranty and filters. Only seen 4-5 reviews but non of them upgraded to it. I find it interesting, you get the same level of performances. I definitely thought the sport would be different. I know pro and ultimate con are so similar, it's very hard to tell what the filters do lol. When you think about it. I could put a sport in one room and a pro in another and I've still got money left over. Not a theory I usually sign up for but given the performance. Worth noting how ridiculously over priced it is.
Would you still consider Simucube to be the smoothest wheelbase or would you say Simagic Alpha U is on par by now? Your oppinion would be much appreciated. I am on the fence of upgrading my DD wheelbase and am trying to decide between Simucube 2 pro and Simagic Alpha U.
I think they are very close for the settings I use them. Right now Simucube have some advantages in smoothness in iRacing due to the new 360hz implementation but for the rest of the games they are very close 🤛
@@chepilevski Thanks for your answer. I am pretty sure Simagic will implement 360hz mode, too, at least thats what is communicated on their Discord channel. I think I will stick with Simagic then. I much prefer the QR mechanism.
I own a full fanatec setup, DD1, and the only thing I hate is the constant buzzing effect from the DD1. So the simucube don't have this ? I can't see people talking about it, not the cogging feel, the buzzing
That is property of every dd base depending mostly of the settings but is normal for all of those !it is coil line noise and I hear that in every single base I ever tested buddy
@@chepilevski Thank you, I'm new to DD wheels and it happens as soon as it is powered so you are right. It's a very slight feeling in the hand so it's not an enormous issue. I also noticed it depends on wich house it is plugged. Thanks for your answer and for the video!
Yeah, EGO!!! That is a Bitch. So my ego says ultimate, my pocket says sport. But I'm in a position where I like the middle of almost any product I buy. Always get what you pay for. So I believe it will be the pro for me. Now for the next item, VR.... I'll see if I can find your videos on this topic. To bad you don't have affiliate links.
Thats sounds just like me :) I don't think right now is the best moment to bay VR as the existing models are already old and probably new gen will arrive soon! the HP is super clean but with narrow FOV and the Valve Index have good tracking but not that clean sharp picture ! I havent tested the rest and im not sure if i am good source for that topic right now buddy!
Yeah I've been watching alot of videos on the hp reverb g2 v2 and they all say it's better on the quality of the visual but it's lacking everywhere else. They have also Saud that just for sim racing it's the best but every other vr game the other vrs are better. So with me last doing racing hp sounds like a winner. But I think I'm going yo check out my local sim arcade center. We'll see. Hope you have a great night I know uou just got out if work so go and relax.
"I don't invest in gear, I invest in my happiness." - Race Beyond Matter Getting my T300 fixed soon, meanwhile saving for a Fanatec CSL DD. In the far future, Simucube is next in line. Baby steps to bigger toys.
Great to know that the Sport is on par and personally I would rather suggest buying it over the Pro, because last one tried to hurt me numerous times😛. I also would like to know your True Drive settings since I have not succeed finding good ones it seems. I thought they were good with dampening about 10-15 and friction at 5-8 in general, but since I have a VRS DFP I now know it wasn't. The VRS comes with a little more friction out of the box and I'm using it with the mentioned values as well. With a GT1 around Donington I did some hotlaps in AMS2 and I'm about 0.3 sec faster with the VRS also on average, no doubt. In rF2 it would be 1,5-2 sec. with the same scenario since the VRS feels far better in rF2. In ACC the lap-times were rather similar and I prefer the SC2 Pro for it's lower dampening overall since the game already dampens a lot. I've not tried iRacing, but especially in this game the effects over curbs and general spikes I find too much with the desired corner-torque and that's IMO what the VRS does better: It's never overwhelming and it oscillates far less. I've always the feeling I'm in control and not the wheel. The collision-FFB is far lower for example and the spikes are much smoother. I've seen Dan Suzukis True Drive settings and thought it's too much dampening at that time, but I guess that's certainly a better starting point than the default of True Drive. Being always in control of the wheel despite strong cornering-forces is also the key to be faster. I'm going to sell the SC2 Pro because the VRS is my favorite, but the SC2 is IMO the better product and I told them to provide better settings instead of this online-sharing-BS.
I wish I will have the chance to test the VRS as your post triggers me a lot man ! Reading how you prefer to feel your FFB sounds like you would not like my settings a lot as I don’t put much friction and damping at all but I see we drive mostly different sims as I’m more about IRacing and shame on me but I still haven’t tested the rF2 and I really have to ! The ACC for my taste have the worst feeling in the settings I use and some cars on AMS2 feels awesome and some awful! IRacing is the sim in which I can go really low on reconstruction down to 1 and friction and damping 5 but I definitely have those spikes hitting curbs but I found having those settings also helps me a bit of saving my tires as they really follow the cambers and all the anomalies of the surface! I have to find the way to test the VRS 😃
@@chepilevski Hey mate, some update about the SC2 vs VRS thing. I wanted to sell the SC2 Pro and thought giving the new July-firmware a try before and see if everything works fine. I don't know why nobody is talking about, but it changed my opinion. Before the VRS had far more texture in the center for road-feel and now the SC2 Pro is even better instead of rather numb. And lowering all Direct Input effects to 0 seems to solve the 2nd problem I had with the exaggerated FFB-spikes and oversteer-effects. So now I would rather sell the VRS than the SC2 Pro and looks like my little 'rant' in the granitedevices-forum triggered these improvements😉
@@Leynad778 I haven’t tested the new firmware as I’m not home the last month but now I’m very curious to see and feel those differences ! Will give it a go in the next weekend and report 😃
i want o be able to do PC and PS but i really like the sim cube. But they say will not work wit PS DAMMM!!! And im hearing fanatic wheels are sloppy..... this shit driving me crazy......... Because year i will be where i can start bbuying my sim racing gear..................... HELP!!!! lol
I just made the jump from a Logitech G25 to a Simagic DD with Loadcel pedals from DC Sim. A massive step up. Seconds gained per lap: 0, slides caught: 0, races won: 0, but my only regret: not having changed sooner, because I am having so much more fun!!! The experience is like going from playing a game to a real simulation. If you are at all serious about simracing, don't waste time and upgrade! You will just enjoy it more, guaranteed.
Absolutely agree with you Eneko 🤛
I have owned the Sport model for mora than a year now. I completely agree with you. You DO NOT notice different between 17 and 25nm except in strength/resistance in the wheel.
When I started with sim racing I didn't have anybody to ask about equipment or any experience within sim racing. Like many do, you research until you can't do more research.
From my experience now, my upgrade path would look something like this:
Step 1 - Beginner setup - Thrustmaster or something like CSL DD or second hand clubsport v2.5 with "basic" pedals such as Fanatec CSL LC or cheaper ones.
Step 2 - Upgrading pedals to Fanatec Pedals V3/Heusinkveld Sprint/Asetek Pedals - In my opinion, pedals are much more important than wheelbase. By having consistent braking and learning trail braking is much easier with better pedals.
Step 3 - Upgrade the wheelbase when you either get bored or you just want a high-end product that you will adore every night you go to bed. The steering doesn't change because you change wheelbase, only the fine details will be more noticeable. You will easier feel when the car is loosing traction and having easier to save the car from going off-track or slide.
Of course everyone doesn't have all the money to buy high-end in the beginning. That is why sim racing is so wonderful. You can upgrade in small steps if you love it. Save for new pedals, wheelbase, that triple monitor setup, handbrake, buttonboxes etc. That is what make sim racing so fun, make it YOUR OWN and enjoy it!
can you share about the temperature of the sport, for example, at 10-12 nm a long game, I heard it reaches 60 degrees at high nm
As a SimDrift and JDM/Shutoko enthusiast, the only 2 things I care about are 1. Smoothness and 2. Catching slides/Responsiveness
From all I got from multiple reviews is that the Semicube is the best in class when it comes to those 2 qualities.
What made me faster after 20k spent, was an 8020 rig, proper position and a brake pedal load cell
Those little details are so important Indeed!
And as Jonas said, turning up the FFB helps so much ! Wen I start practicing the first day I always use high FFB till I train my muscles memory and then I go back to usual torque 🤛
Lol- I just bought some new stuff and it’s awesome as well as expensive- what a passion😄👍✌️
Great vids as always- Just dropping a message to say Hi, have a great day at work n home- and on behave of our community-
Thank You Again for your time and creations👍👍👍✌️
@@elvish4432 best wishes to you to buddy and have a great evening 🍻
Very valuable and honest info for new direct drivers! Thank you for your contribution to the community.
PS. this was nr 1 video TH-cam suggested to me today. You made my day!
Best regards Tero, co-counder of Granite Devices.
Thx Tero and thank you guys for the experience you provided for me and the community ❤️
Your brilliant job have made so many people happy around the glob 🍻
You guys are awesome would love to afford one of your wheels soon with that microcenter bundle I've been seeing.
Great video mate. I have experience with all 3 as well and totally agree with everything you said in this video. I can’t tell the difference between Sport and Pro at the same power levels and only a slight difference with the Ultimate with it’s slightly faster response time (slew rate).
This makes me happy, currently looking at making the switch and just the extra power usage of the pro makes me skeptical. But in your video from your original review, you said you could feel the difference. Is the firmware better now, or is that just your thoughts after driving both for longer?
@@chrispellizzari4528 Decent comment, I think the Sport or VRS are for me
My Simucube Pro lands at home tomorrow... Glad to hear I made the right choice (aka the same as you). Thank you for your channel content, really great and so cool to watch. Also very nicely produced, the care you give to your image quality and realization is way beyond others YT simracers ! Thanks again !
Thx Chris ❤️
Today is the day brother 💥 I’m so happy for you know the smiles that base going to bring on your face in the future!
I remember driving my first laps and laughing like idiot on my own 🤣
Happy racing brother and thank you for the kind words and support 🍻
Every novice and more experienced sim racer should watch this video at least once and listen very, very carefully.
There was nothing I would not totally agree to; one of the best and most honest comparison videos I ever watched.
Top quality video. I recently moved to Simucube 2 pro from CSL DD because i wanted a better experience from force feedback than expecting a better laptime from more expensive wheel base, and i literally surprised at how precise the forcefeedbacks are in simucube. It was right choice for me and I’m glad that you had same idea that pro one is ideal one.
I have a friend who drives in CSL DD and every time he jumps on my rig he is blown how much better those here feels 😃
I’ve been on OSW with Mige motor for 2 years and moved to DD2 but after 4 weeks I give a go to the SC2 and never looked back !
And I was really surprised abused Pro and I really mean I abused this for almost 3 years felt just like those new units here ! Zero wear after 3 years is really great news for us 😃
This is exactly the information needed, thanks for taking so much time and care for 6 weeks to bring this content out .. so much work behind this video and it's really appreciated. Keep up the good work!
Thank you for the support man 🤗
It was something I really wanted to experience and be able to share my personal opinion and help our beautiful community!
I know people don’t like to hear it but I switched from a DD2 to a SC2 Pro about 13 months ago. I’m so much happier now all around. I’m glad I did it.
I've used my friends sc2 pro and honestly I prefer My Fanatec DD2, I think it's really all preference.
@@Bobbarker23455 fanatec wheels are hard to beat aswell
DD owner for 5 or 6 years now of the following in order:
OpenSimWheel 5000 PPR encoder -> OSW 10,000 PPR + Simucube software mode -> SC1 -> SC2 Pro. These wheels are amazing but I also think they introduce and expose a lot of problems & shortcomings: 1) FFB technology is very basic 1990s technology via Microsoft Direct Input and Immersion Corp. It was never made for the power, acceleration, speed, etc. of DD wheels.
2) Real-life steering system is a passive (ie. reactive) system whereas FFB is an active system.
3) Real-life is basically torque-based control while FFB is speed and/or position-based control.
4) Real life has 100s of times more mass & inertia than FFB (tyres, wheels, suspension, steering column, etc.)
What happens in our powerful DD systems if we put a heavier wheel on? Does the FFB slow down and react softer, slower, etc. because of the added mass & inertia like it should and would in real life? No. The OPPOSITE happens! The wheel applies MORE power to try and make up for that extra weight (unless you're in a power/torque clipping situation) in order to try to rotate to a certain point in a certain amount of time. This fundamental logic itself is the complete opposite to real-life...Just this point alone shows how flawed and unrealistic FFB tech is.
I still wouldn't ever give rid of my DD wheel, don't get me wrong, but it exposes some very big flaws of how primitive FFB is and makes for some highly unrealistic & un-wanted gaming/driving situations.
Let's see if Simucube are release a new wheelbase Oct 10th to fix all the issues you mentioned.
All good advice! My hardware is much more humble but I can appreciate the spirit in which you give your experience.
Cheers buddy 🍻
I just upgraded from a wooden DIY rig with a Thrustmaster TX to a full 8020 rig with a Simucube 2 Pro, Fanatec shifter and Heusinkvelds Ultimate. It took me about 4 weeks to just find the right settings and almost get back to my old times, still not 100% there but i dont really care about absolute laptimes, the feel and consistecy is not even comparable and the added immersion with having to clutch and use trottle blips is so much fun and fullfilling. Best decision ever!
I have the pro and it’s been an absolute beast for a year. Very reliable and awesome to drive. Thanks for the video!
I was really surprised my pro felt just as good as those 2 here as I really abused it for 3 years ! It like zero wearing!
Shame on me to forget to mention that as this is huge !
Those guys have done really good job with those products man 💪
Race Beyond Matter- I really liked how you put it-your explanation on perspective on base selections - very well done and helps some of us select with more knowledge and ease. Thanx Again man✌️
Thx Elvis 🍻
Happy to read it helped buddy 🤛
I went with the Sport. Why? I asked my buddies from VPG sim the following question: if you have a list of simracing hardware that I need to drive my 2 favourite car classes (open wheelers and rally), what would you recommend me to buy? I added a budget, and this was their response:
Simucube 2 Sport R2
BJ F1 2 pedal set
BJ shifter and handbrake
F1 wheel and rally wheel
PSR1 Simrig
This is the setup I use for 2 years now, and I couldn't be happier. There is 1 sim/game where I use 100 percent torque: Assetto Corsa. Everything else, from F1 18 to 21, AMS 2, RF2 to RBR rally I use between 15 to 60 percent of the torque. This is also based on my settings, which are without damping, recon 1, almost never friction. I like this video because it is really comparing, rather than only reviewing. Very good job, immho!
Something else: there are so many Simucube owners out there, which never did a research, never watched a single one of the tutorial videos from Simucube and therefore have no clue where clipping is from, where to start with the FFB settings, what the job of TD is. Would be great to see something from you about it
What i have to say...
Mate,I can see fire in your eyes and passions in your words!!!!
im follow your chanel about a year,watched all video from the chanel,but i remember very good when i sawd first your video in your eyes and words was same Fire & PASSION!!!
Bravo,keep going!!! I personally apreciate your hard work!!!
Big hug brother 🤗
Thank you for all the support and kind words buddy ❤️
I jumped from a DD1 to the SC2 Pro and right from the start I could feel the difference and have no regrets, love the SC2 Pro. Fanatec is still better with all their wheels being wireless....that I do miss!
Yeh man , being used to wireless wheels can be noticeable wen cables dangling around! There are many wireless for the SC2 but some cost fortune 🙈
@damiengvideos4337 For which sim ?
Perfect commentary on these. I have the Pro , have watched others buy Other DD bases, tried to explain why Simucube is the only way to go. They have regrets. I don’t.
I had the DD2 before the SC2 Pro and before the OSW with Mige 20nm
After switching to SC2 pro I never let any of my friends to go different choice🤭
I just couldn’t let them go 🙈
@@chepilevski I tried !! But people worry over a few dollars , as the old saying goes. Cheap pays twice !
One question for you, I just added these g belt, from sim experience, I know you are not a fan of motion , neither am I , but I do really love these active belts. Very immersive, have you ever tried them ?
I've just stepped up into a Simucube 2 pro from a csw2.5, it feels amazing but I haven't found too much extra pace as yet, also upgraded to the asetek invicta pedals and also triple monitors so it may take some time to find the speed with so many upgrades all at once
Bet you found pace by now! GL
@@izieky found a little bit more pace on road however way more consistency and easier to recover the car before a spin, have found alot more pace on ovals aswell.
@@glenwatkins732 Very interesting. I'm on a CSWv2.5 and sometimes it feels quite powerful enough but not much "fast" if that makes sense.
I use all the 8nm and set max strength 7.0 or 8.0 (up to 42nm max) on iRacing.
So my question is: what's the main difference going into a DD base with say 17nm+?
Do you change max strength values accordingly so the feel becomes much more linear?
(I also don't know if I should tick "linear" on the CSWv2.5 on iRacing or not!)
Thanks ,really appreciate it your honesty and testing time you spent. I did ask my ego and going for sport,got same experience and some cash in pocket.
Again thanks.Mike
Worth the wait brother 🤜🤛
From someone who’s used the pro for 3 years your words of advise are truly valuable to someone like me who has been considering Simucube for a while now 🏆
Really glad if that I was helpful man !
I really needed to test those 3 models as I always pushed my friends to go for the SC2 Pro but now I have so much clear picture 😃
All simucubes should feel the same-ish as long as they are not being pushed passed their capacity, and that's a good thing. Things to consider is is wheels and accessories attached. If you planning on running heavier wheels with extensions, heavier button boxes or a big truck wheel for tuck sim you may want that extra power to swing the wheel around.
Awesome round up of these bases, I've been waiting for your thoughts, really enjoyed listening to the whole clip. Very happy with my Sport and nice to see it hold its own with the bigger brothers. Granite must realise they have a great advocate in you and VF appreciate the comparison to the real world cars.
I’m so happy to know the Sport gives absolutely the same experience I’m personally getting from my Pro as for years friends wanted to save some cash but I wasn’t sure if was the best choice!
Now I have so much clear picture😃
Thx for the support buddy 🍻
I have simucube sport, and with a 27 cm formula rim, I've never used more than 8.5 nm. With my 33 cm rally wheel, the max I used was 11 nm.
Not planning to go beyond these numbers anytime soon.
I know what you mean ! Sometimes for fun I run very high torque but I. General I stay round 11 as well with 300mm wheels and for some cars is too much!
@@chepilevski Exactly Sir. There is a sweet spot where you get maximum feel, but without fighting with the wheel too much (which actually makes you slower)
Can you please tell me what are your ffb ingame settings for acc please. Love your vids bro. Started building my own interior of the cockpit because of your videos. Brilliant 🙌🏽
I’m not close to my PC right now but I will make sure to make quick video this week about the different settings I use for the different sims buddy 🤛
I‘m about to buy my first DD soon. Upgraded everything else before and for me the biggest improvement were the pedals and seating position.
I‘m glad I came across your video, wasn’t sure if I should get the sport or pro. You finally sold me the sport haha
Currently still using the g920 and I love it but I’m really looking forward for that direct drive feeling.
Great video man, it’s rare to see such a honest opinion.
You will love the DD world buddy! The smile on your face will be priceless wen you jump first time on it 😁
I'm with you on buy my first DD as well. I am one of those guys that, if I spend money. I would rather spend it once. So been hours of research and this video finally gave me my answer. Simucube sport, here I come. Lol
Now: What pedals should I get?
@@under6977 I use fanatec V3 and they feel good but for my taste they are kinda too „small“.
It’s important that you choose loadcell pedals, that’s a big thing when it comes to consistency and feel
Hi man, I got the Pro as my first ever wheel base, I will even say more, for my first EVER experience holding a wheel in my life - I have never drove a real car, or even played any simulators before. I used to play NFS and Flatout on keyboard or controller occasionally, and considered GTA5 car physics perfect for my liking. I have now been using it for the past couple of months, mostly in VR and I really love it, I learned driving manual h-pattern and all I do is driving hotlaps in shaky 80s shitbox cars in AC (thank you Arch for those physics mod, the cars are so unstable, I love it). I have round deep Momo dish to drive those old cars, with custom Shh Newt shifter and more oval one from Fanatec mounted to SRB BB Ultra button box for ACC or modern cars. I really enjoy my experience, I have nothing to compare it to but I don't feel like I lack anything, I have zero need or desire or wish for something 'better', which was my plan, do it once but do it good! I know it will be a long time before I will resemble anything near being a good driver, but this is fine, as I just enjoy driving it, really calms me down and puts me in in a zen zone. I use it every day.
I plan to get a direct drive soon, but for now I'm using the belt drive and it's working for me well.
They are working well for sure man ! I was on Fanatec CSW v1 for 3 years and V2 for one + 5 years on Logitech G25 and G27
I was always happy with whatever I had 😃
@@chepilevski cool bro,thank you
im at the phase where i want to buy a cockpit and sell my g29 and upgrade to a fanatec csl DD or any other Direct drive that can be at the same level ( maybe that simucube can be a option) im not an alien, far from that, but im consistent or at least i try to be... i drive to enjoy, because i like sim racing, because at that exact moment is like i am at the car in real life and forget about all the day.. i hope i can archieve this mark in my life! thank you for your words! you're an inspiration
Would you mind sharing your ACC and iRacing settings for true drive? Would love to compare and try it out.
2nd this
3rd 👏👏👏👏
Im on controller and would also like to know lol
In that video I will share here you can see the settings I use in AMS2 but those are my IRacing settings in which I just limited the rotation to 540 degrees for AMS2
For ACC I have to check on my PC but they are different from those !
Skip to 7:42 and you will see it guys !
th-cam.com/video/h-g6poU4VZM/w-d-xo.html
@@chepilevski thank you! 🙏
My SC pro has arrived last week, along with the Cube controls zero. Just a few weeks to fix the new house and can't wait to try the settings you shared with me a few video's ago. I had a few friends with that same reaction: "what is your wheel heavy compared to mine". So if I hear you in this, your settings probably going to be loved 🤘🏻 thanks again
Can you share me the settings please? :)
My laptimes have been the same for the last 5 years, however my enjoyment is 100 times better.
💥🍻
I think your advice is good for every choice we must make in our life. Is something we learned in our life and something we choose to forget many times. So...good for you to remember me that true. Hope to remember easily next time.🙃
You’re the best, thank you for comparing 👏👏👏👏
Cheers buddy 🤛
please add the possibility of automatic translation into Polish, I really like watching your videos and it will make my life easier, thanks mate
Must check how to do that buddy 🤛
Thx for the support 🍻
i can already imagine getting biceps getting direct drive but im currently on a logitech right now but it kind of breaking down lol the potentiometers are going crazy throttle is kinda janky and the paddle shifters doesnt really click anymore but hey it still works and im still having a blast
I enjoy my G29, I am thinking about getting to something more serious.
But all considered, all I want is feelings right? Feel more, experience more..
I'll take a part of the budget and go regularly to my local go kart track!
I bet it would be a nice complement, if and only if nobody rams me
I’m testing the the Moza R9 DD wheel and it is awesome budget! Soon will make review and you may be interested 😃
@@chepilevski oh no, I jyst wanted to be reasonable and you'll test my temptation once again!!
Looking forward the review! Cheers
@@frantz4318 I know brother, but if you spend enough time on your rig , those upgrades will completely change your experience 😃
Life is to short 🙈😁
Love your work n when I was buying my gear the wheel sc2 pro was a bonus to have
Ask your ego!!
That is why i trust you dude
Personally i will buy the alpha,in one or two weeks after i buy my 8040 rig.
I would like to have the Ultimate but honestly i dont think it matters so i prefer the 250 and buy a good chair with that money.
Would die to drive in your sim rig!
I own a simucube 2 sport and love it on gt1 Evo frame and triple 32in curved 2k monitor for PC sim
For console sim I have Gran Turismo DD package with v3 pedals and different rim from stock cheap gt rim fanatec sends you
I love my Simucube 2 but lets phase it, Its no magic FFB. The game outputs the FFB and it will feel the same on a G29 or Simucube.
The simucube 2 is however more solid in the feedback and a lot stronger.
It's not going to shock you but you will have a lot more fun.
But with that said my g29 was really damn good for the price and you can without doubt have just as much fun,.
@Jonas Jonaitis lmao check my channel I got a simucube 2. Im saying the its the output of the game that gives you FFB and that makes a huge deal. G29 is obviously worse in all ways but if you think you can't feel understeer, weight shift, oversteer, bumps from a G29 youre just mad.
As I’ve always said,I spend 5 years on G25 and G27 and another 3 on CSW V1 and V2.5 then 4+ years on different DD wheels and I have been always happy person and loved all of the gears I ever used😃
that been said , I totally agree drivers can have fun with any gear but I will never forget laughing on my own the first week of switching to my OSW and having all those aha moments from every curve I felt on the road and understanding why the actual texture of the road 😃
I understand for some people that is not big deal and that’s normal but for me was huge 😃
@Stk Two things. You dont have a SC2 base or you have a shitty terrible profile. What you say is just so silly....
@Jonas Jonaitis Yeah but im just saying you feel the same effects just a lot worse and weakend. It's a big change for sure
Great video discussing your own ego vs. other's perception of you
Thank you so much for this review
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Great video! I had the fanatec dd before, and I upgraded to the Simucube pro. The feel of the car, road is amazing. Can’t even compare.
Got a question! What’s your favorite rim for gt driving?
I switched from OSW to Fanatec DD and then the Pro and I was blown how much better that felt man !
Some people didn’t notice that difference much but for me was huge😃
If you as what size , I prefer 300mm
And my favorite wheel I have for GT cars is the with the BMW look is the SSRG competition 300 but unfortunately the company doesn’t produce those anymore 😔
The rim itself is the Sport Line Competition 300 which you can find on SimRacingBay website 🤛
My problem wasn't getting faster... It was getting more consistent and not having to worry about the equipment failing during long stints and races. My G27 and TM RS300 were great for short races, but they really were failing too often, as were my pedal sets. Now I don't have to worry about the brake or throttle getting stuck at 80% 30 mins into a 2hour race
Awesome video as always! What wheel and lcd screen is that at the 5:13 mark?
That is Hadron display which I attached to simple Sport Line 300 wheel buddy!
I have a video about it In which I just replaced the normal with coil USB cable 😃
@@chepilevski you’re a genius at this ! And thanks, I appreciate the reply!
Just like racing money makes you faster but can you get it there or can you extract the overhead better equipment gives you. Yes some of us. But there is one non debatable fact and that is the more money you spend the more real it gets.
That absolutely true 😁
Great video!!!!!
I read that sport have an high temperature of exercise vs pro.
It's true?
Actually don’t even have reasons to run hotter as the sport have shorter mottos and the cooling solution is the same buddy!
I personally didn’t notice any heating and those bases just got little warm on top and that is !
Great vídeo as always, I have a Simucube pro 2 and enjoy it a lot.
Quick question in your opinion what combination of sim , car and track felt to you the more realistic
Thanks and continue the good work 💪
Thx buddy 🤛
I always enjoy the most IRacing and always felt to me the most realistic even if people complain and call it (ace racing )
I liked a lot the FFB of Automobilista 2 as well ! In ACC all bases goes crazy with those settings and I had to turn up some filters which makes the wheels little slow 🤛
I feel the same thanks for the info cheers 💪
Nurburgring with g29 : 2:05min
With t300 : 2:00
With loadcell brake : 1:58
With DD : 1:56
With real race experience : 1:54
With DD, IRL experience and simrace experience: 1:50
(Both ironical and accurat) 😅😁
Awesome review! Will you share your settings for the sc2 pro? :-)
Do you share your ffb wheel set ups in the simicube world where we can select and download settings?
Endlich ist es da
ich warte schon so Lange darauf
Vielen dank für deine Meinung
Von der ich persönlich viel halte
Ich denke es wird die pro Variante
glücklich, wenn es geholfen hat
my Fanatec DD2 is amazing
Black Friday is coming this week at Simucube.
I'm always 1s slower than top aliens per lap in same conditions.
Using a CSL elite 1.1 right now with Venym pedals, fo you think a DD would help catch a bit ?
There two reasons DD wheel can help buddy!
1 . You will feel more of the car and you may find few things to polish!
2 . You will save more the tires
3. You will enjoy more driving and you may drive more 😃
But that last second is very hard to be found and will need lots of work and practice!
@@chepilevski thanks for the answer.
On tyre saving I'm actually good since I don't exploit them clinicaly and don't push them 100% since I don't feel the absolute limit.
I know I don't have talent to catch the last second but wondering if it can get me about 0.5 faster more or less.
Specially considering my actual setup.
Is your Sport / Pro feedback based on ACC also ? You talked about rally games and iRacing which I never play
the main difference between the 3 should be evaluated on the slew rate values, the pro has double the limit of the sport - 8nm/s vs 4nm/s - which means a way faster power delivery even at equal torque levels. i had both and the pro is way better, a lot more precise, crisp, clear, detailed and fast ffb delivery than the sport.
Lol funny you mention that when half the community runs sub 1nm/s anyways. You a much better rubbery feeling from the tyre, I don't get this obsesion with having it as quick as possible, thats not a real life tyre works anyways.
Hell even the G29 is fast enough to catch slides with.
So sport vs pro is only if you want a stronger base.
@@TheCameltotem so you tried both I guess
This is not scientific tests but normal driver experience 😃
I know all the differences on paper but I didn’t felt any of those even if I wanted to !
That doesn’t mean there is not but only what I personally felt trough all the test 🤛
Usually I’m bit critical about what I want personally to feel from my base 🙈
Thanks, that was really informative. I've been planning to go DD for a while now, but I want to do it once, and once only. Simucube has topped the list, but I was really wondering between the sport and the pro, and you've convinced me that the extra €300 for the pro is worth it for peace of mind, even if I never use the higher torque available.
A quick question If I may. What wheel rims would you recommend - I would need two, one standard round rim to cover road cars and rally, and one GT/Formula style rim.
Again thanks for the video - it was really helpful.
Hi buddy, about the wheels there are so many options and you must make your research but good starting point can be the wheels from Simracingbay and Cube Control as both of these have those options and are great quality!
Here are two links
www.simracingbay.com/wireless-steering-wheels/
www.cubecontrols.com/a-next-gen-wheel-introducing-f-pro/
@@chepilevski Hey, thanks for getting back to me. It looks like I'm going to have to go with the sport as the pro is just completely unavailable apart from Simucube themselves who don't ship to der Schweiz. Still it's going to be a massive update over a TS-PC Racer. I've also found two wheels from Cube Controls that will suit my needs perfectly. So again thanks for your help.
@@slaphead90 as I’ve said you will get the same experience as I do with the sport buddy and will definitely be great upgrade over your current wheel 💪
@@chepilevski Just to bring this to a conclusion - I pulled the trigger. I have a SC2Pro, SC Tahko GT21, Ascher Racing F28-SC V2, plus wheelside QR and mount on the way. It hurt, oh boy it hurt, but the taxman was nice to me this year with a significant refund so he's paid for most of it.
Again many thanks for the video, and the follow up info - Danke, vielen dank. Viel Spass, und mach's gut.
Hi, I have 2 questions:
- Where you buy these awesome wheels?
- On your base, do you have an extension for the wheel?
As always, awesome video. Regards.
That for the support buddy 🍻
The BMW is fro SSRG (competition 300)
The curved R8 is from (SiMedal)
The Rally is from (SimCore)
The Lamborghini GT3 (Simracingbay)
The Bentley and green Porsche is SSRG
2 Fanatec ( McLaren and RS)
And the AMG is from Acelitdesign
Cheers buddy 🍻
How are u brother. So little nosey question lol what is that at 10:17 next to the wheel base with simucube written on it.
Great video and extremely well explained so any can understand. IM happy with my Pro which i got off the back of ur DD1 VS SC2 Pro
Ultimate power supply box
Thx buddy 🍻
As Miklos mentioned, that is the power supply of the ultimate bro 🤛
@@miklosfarkass3212 Thanks mate
I have just literally added the SC2 Ultimate to my rig. It is sublime, has way more power than I could ever need, but the detail is stunning. I would love to know what sort of settings you use for True Drive and sim titles like AMS2, ACC and iRacing. One of the issues I have found is most of the shared profiles on the True Drive Paddock software were initially created for either the Sport or Pro bases, so the shared profiles from these bases don't feel that great on the Ultimate. I have been reducing the overall strength of the wheel by 20% if using a profile from a Pro base.
So yeah, please share some of your base and sim settings. 👏👏👏👏
My settings are always very simple man ! I usually use the reconstruction filter Dow to 3 for AMS2 and IRacing and up to 5 on ACC !
I also always use maximum power from the true drive and tune that from the game to my like with the different cars as they all feel different!
I also keep down the friction and damping to 5% as I just prefer to feel as much details as I can even if is harsh and noise some times !
Mostly my wheel FFB is very raw and im not sure if you will like the feeling as we are different but it is worth trying to keep things raw for few days and see if you will feel little more connected with the car !
Most of the settings I tested online have completely different approach and I see many people prefer to keep the FFB some slow and smooth but I personally can’t even feel what the car is doing!
Make it as fast as you can and give it few days and if you don’t like it just test different things but try to keep the reconstruction filter 5 and below 🤛
First of all, the content you produce is really good! Keep it up!
Just wanted to ask your opinion on this one:
I own 2 bases, 1 Fanatec Podium DD1 w/ 2 wheels (Formula and Porsche) and 1 Simucube 2 Pro + OEM USB Wheel.
I want to sell one of them as it makes no sense owning both. Which one would you sell?
Regarding the Fanatec I just don't like the cogging feel to it, the rest is fine by me, as I also own the pedals and gear shifter from Fanatec ecosystem.
Thank you!
I’m sticking with fanatec Podium DD *( 20nm max torque)* so I can use it in my PC/PS4/PS5 *( quite a few games I play on my wheel on PS4 that aren’t GRan Turismo F that game )* if I ever buy one *( a PS5 that is )* , I would buy Moza but with import tax’s and everything it comes out same as fanatec probably a little higher actually and it’s only PC compatible at 15nm of torque if Moza were PS/PC I might consider it but still probably wouldn’t I like my fanatec gear so far, although I would like some hydraulic pedals like some sim tag I heard if you have a fanatic podium DD *( which I believe is a DD1 basically same NM rating for torque )* you can use PC only breaks on PS’s
i become faster only by hearing your voice
thanks for your videos
🤣🤣🤣 big hug buddy 😃 you gifted me some good laugh 😁
Hi there! May i ask which Sim you are racing right at the beginning at the Nordschleife? Looks insane!
i would go with Simucube 2 pro or withe simucube ultimate!! for the sport there is a very big competitor th Simagic ultimate
I really believe the SC2 ultimate is overkill and the SC2 pro have been my choice just for not thinking what if 🙈
Ultimate is for people who just keep the high standards and don’t mind the cash at all.
Could you maybe give us your simucube ffb profile?
Sorry for the late replay buddy!
In the next video I will share how I use my SC2 settings and the logic behind 🤛
Can someone recommend their favorite steering wheels in their collection? Building my first sim rig and coming from go-kart racing. I plan on having a formula wheel, GT Wheel, go-kart wheel and rally car/road car wheel. Mounting the wheels to an SC2 Pro. Thanks in advance!
I just ordered the Formula Cube Control Formula wheel and they have also great road wheels as well !
Other option you can check is the Simracingbay which have both stile in his web ! Sim Core is another option with great quality wheels and for formula you can check the Gomez Sim Racing wheels as well!
Moza have done a very adorable FSR formula which will have conversation kit for all bases on the market! Those are companies I have tried and they all have great quality for there prices!
Hello, I would like to get a Simucube 2 Pro but I am struggling to find a decent Formula steering wheel for a decent price. Ascher and Cube decent rims are 1000€, which is so much. I see you have so many rims, where did you get them? Thanks.
Did the added length of the Ultimate create any problem with setting the FOV? Would it be better to run bigger monitors with Ultimate?
Your videos are awesome.
Thank you for the support Dan🍻
Thanks for the video, as a SC2 Pro owner, i feel even more happy with my choice now :)
Just one question for you man, would you mind to share your simucube software settings ?
Thx brother 🍻
In that video I share here if you skip to 7:42 you will see the settings I use for AMS2 but those will work perfect for the IRacing except the rotation which I limit to 540 on AMS2 ! For ACC I will share soon on true drive 🤛
th-cam.com/video/h-g6poU4VZM/w-d-xo.html
@@chepilevski Thanks a lot man
This guy is like a cuddly, positive Dracula or hitman or something.
🤣🤣🤣
Thanks for the laugh you gifted to me brother 🤗🤣
@@chepilevski you’re welcome!! First time commenting but I’ve been watching you for a long time. Your positivity and love of sim-racing is infectious.
@@gavancorrigan8813 big hug Gavan 😁
Happy you enjoy the content mate 🍻
That ultimate is the biggest con in gaming. Literally only difference is it has some filters the pro doesn't have for £1500 extra. Should be a max of £400 extra for warranty and filters. Only seen 4-5 reviews but non of them upgraded to it. I find it interesting, you get the same level of performances. I definitely thought the sport would be different. I know pro and ultimate con are so similar, it's very hard to tell what the filters do lol. When you think about it. I could put a sport in one room and a pro in another and I've still got money left over. Not a theory I usually sign up for but given the performance. Worth noting how ridiculously over priced it is.
With you buddy 🤛
Would you still consider Simucube to be the smoothest wheelbase or would you say Simagic Alpha U is on par by now? Your oppinion would be much appreciated. I am on the fence of upgrading my DD wheelbase and am trying to decide between Simucube 2 pro and Simagic Alpha U.
I think they are very close for the settings I use them.
Right now Simucube have some advantages in smoothness in iRacing due to the new 360hz implementation but for the rest of the games they are very close 🤛
@@chepilevski Thanks for your answer. I am pretty sure Simagic will implement 360hz mode, too, at least thats what is communicated on their Discord channel. I think I will stick with Simagic then. I much prefer the QR mechanism.
What game was that you had Nurburgring footage, please? Thank you!
AMS 2
I own a full fanatec setup, DD1, and the only thing I hate is the constant buzzing effect from the DD1.
So the simucube don't have this ? I can't see people talking about it, not the cogging feel, the buzzing
That is property of every dd base depending mostly of the settings but is normal for all of those !it is coil line noise and I hear that in every single base I ever tested buddy
@@chepilevski Thank you, I'm new to DD wheels and it happens as soon as it is powered so you are right. It's a very slight feeling in the hand so it's not an enormous issue. I also noticed it depends on wich house it is plugged.
Thanks for your answer and for the video!
Hey ! Can you give me the référence of your screens ? Thank U for the quality of ur vidéos !
Nice drift
That's good information my friend I'm not an alien. I don't care about point I believe. I will upgrade to the cheaper one🥰
You will love it Ed 💪 it is a beast
The Simucube Bay
Hahahahah 🤣🤣🤣
Thx mate 🤛
@@chepilevski i tried to did it politely
Yeah, EGO!!! That is a Bitch. So my ego says ultimate, my pocket says sport. But I'm in a position where I like the middle of almost any product I buy. Always get what you pay for. So I believe it will be the pro for me. Now for the next item, VR.... I'll see if I can find your videos on this topic. To bad you don't have affiliate links.
Thats sounds just like me :)
I don't think right now is the best moment to bay VR as the existing models are already old and probably new gen will arrive soon! the HP is super clean but with narrow FOV and the Valve Index have good tracking but not that clean sharp picture ! I havent tested the rest and im not sure if i am good source for that topic right now buddy!
Yeah I've been watching alot of videos on the hp reverb g2 v2 and they all say it's better on the quality of the visual but it's lacking everywhere else. They have also Saud that just for sim racing it's the best but every other vr game the other vrs are better. So with me last doing racing hp sounds like a winner. But I think I'm going yo check out my local sim arcade center. We'll see. Hope you have a great night I know uou just got out if work so go and relax.
"I don't invest in gear, I invest in my happiness." - Race Beyond Matter
Getting my T300 fixed soon, meanwhile saving for a Fanatec CSL DD. In the far future, Simucube is next in line. Baby steps to bigger toys.
Much love brother 😁
Hope you will get your T300 son and be back in business 🍻
Great to know that the Sport is on par and personally I would rather suggest buying it over the Pro, because last one tried to hurt me numerous times😛. I also would like to know your True Drive settings since I have not succeed finding good ones it seems. I thought they were good with dampening about 10-15 and friction at 5-8 in general, but since I have a VRS DFP I now know it wasn't. The VRS comes with a little more friction out of the box and I'm using it with the mentioned values as well. With a GT1 around Donington I did some hotlaps in AMS2 and I'm about 0.3 sec faster with the VRS also on average, no doubt. In rF2 it would be 1,5-2 sec. with the same scenario since the VRS feels far better in rF2. In ACC the lap-times were rather similar and I prefer the SC2 Pro for it's lower dampening overall since the game already dampens a lot. I've not tried iRacing, but especially in this game the effects over curbs and general spikes I find too much with the desired corner-torque and that's IMO what the VRS does better: It's never overwhelming and it oscillates far less. I've always the feeling I'm in control and not the wheel. The collision-FFB is far lower for example and the spikes are much smoother. I've seen Dan Suzukis True Drive settings and thought it's too much dampening at that time, but I guess that's certainly a better starting point than the default of True Drive. Being always in control of the wheel despite strong cornering-forces is also the key to be faster. I'm going to sell the SC2 Pro because the VRS is my favorite, but the SC2 is IMO the better product and I told them to provide better settings instead of this online-sharing-BS.
I wish I will have the chance to test the VRS as your post triggers me a lot man !
Reading how you prefer to feel your FFB sounds like you would not like my settings a lot as I don’t put much friction and damping at all but I see we drive mostly different sims as I’m more about IRacing and shame on me but I still haven’t tested the rF2 and I really have to !
The ACC for my taste have the worst feeling in the settings I use and some cars on AMS2 feels awesome and some awful!
IRacing is the sim in which I can go really low on reconstruction down to 1 and friction and damping 5 but I definitely have those spikes hitting curbs but I found having those settings also helps me a bit of saving my tires as they really follow the cambers and all the anomalies of the surface!
I have to find the way to test the VRS 😃
@@chepilevski Hey mate, some update about the SC2 vs VRS thing. I wanted to sell the SC2 Pro and thought giving the new July-firmware a try before and see if everything works fine. I don't know why nobody is talking about, but it changed my opinion. Before the VRS had far more texture in the center for road-feel and now the SC2 Pro is even better instead of rather numb. And lowering all Direct Input effects to 0 seems to solve the 2nd problem I had with the exaggerated FFB-spikes and oversteer-effects. So now I would rather sell the VRS than the SC2 Pro and looks like my little 'rant' in the granitedevices-forum triggered these improvements😉
@@Leynad778 I haven’t tested the new firmware as I’m not home the last month but now I’m very curious to see and feel those differences !
Will give it a go in the next weekend and report 😃
Do you have settings for your wheel base for your games?
Would love one for euro truck simulator
i want o be able to do PC and PS but i really like the sim cube. But they say will not work wit PS DAMMM!!! And im hearing fanatic wheels are sloppy..... this shit driving me crazy......... Because year i will be where i can start bbuying my sim racing gear..................... HELP!!!! lol
Would like to know how much resolution you get from SC2 compared to SC1
They use the exact same sensor, 4000000 points of resolution per full rotation
@@exiteternium Thanks
@@adr1uno638 hey appears I was wrong about the points of resolution it's 4 million on the encoder for pro and sport.
Fanatec seems to have to many problems.....
They are Ok , just sale to many devices and some have problems 🤔
Ciao hi morning to all
When you can get a 2 week old DD1 with an f1 rim for $700 you go with the DD1 sorry🤷🏽♂️
Why seek reassurance?
The choice was yours and you did. 😉