We, in the studio have become obsessed with compressors. I remember reading an article that was written by a famous mixing engineer and he said, in the old days, you didnt worry about what type of compressor you had, you just used what was available, didn't matter, 1176 or a radio shack compressor, you just used it. He said that the biggest worry that the engineer had in those days was getting through the sessions without the tape machine breaking down and not what type of compressor you were using..
Thanks Robert! I tried to break this down into the simplest way I could in the shortest amount of time possible. I even reminded myself of some things doing this vid lmao -Miami
Thanks so much! I love having fun with videos and cgi and awesome performances, but sometimes we have to go back to the basics and hammer it into our minds -Miami
Super great teachings. There is a bunch of information out there so it became confusing how things really are from the basics and to learn and apply a sort of things. I always rewatch this and come back to Joey Sturgis, this is pure music producing wisdom and knowledge. A lot of thanks.
This was informative. I tend to use compressors on their respective sources; FET on individual tracks, VCA on busses, and optical sometimes when stacking compression. But I never knew why I subconsciously reached for these compressors for these applications, until now!
It's fine to experiment, although I'd avoid choosing any tool out of habit or "rules" - because I don't like being lazy and/or getting dull mixes! > *LISTEN FIRST and then decide what tool is either **_complimentary_** or **_stacking_** towards the result of what you are after.* < I've been at this for 3 decades, and in the end there are only those two ways to go with any processing: stacking or complimenting to achieve the desired result. The rest is indeterminate confusion and second-guessing that is best saved for experimentation., i.e. trial and error (go until you know *that* you know). P E A C E
Ive been away from JST for 4-5 years learning game dev so i was completely surprised to see someone other than Joey, but now that im back I am very glad to see JST growing, new faces, great content, I look forward to jumping back in and finally upgrading my studio! Thanks for this great content! Looking forward to jumping back into the family!
Yea! The reminders are nice sometimes because we get so caught up in mixing we don’t think about the logical aspects. Even doing this video I reminded myself of why I reach for certain things sometimes -Miami
Fantastic explanation. Unfortunately the compressor in my garage adds too much noise to the mix so I'd better go for these four types. Badum tiss. Lol. Seriously though, explaining the difference between a compressor that's best for a source rather than a bus is huge. Tubes and FETs are voltage controlled devices whereas ooto isolators and transistors are current controlled. Electrical engineering game is strong. Now if only I could sing ...
I usually go for 1176 on everything! But when I can choose it's SSL on bus, API on bass and sometimes on toms, and 1176 on almost everything else. BG drums is really helpful too !
Super helpful video. I've learned about this in school and in random studio moments but it's always been hard for me to remember the specifics. Thanks for breaking down such an important subject!
PWM also. Digital compression should be a separate class, too - a Weiss or FirComp are nothing like the others. Look-ahead is the digital 'game-changer' and is a major difference producing results impossible to get from other comps. Instead we like to pretend that the VST "equivalent" is doing "the same thing" when it is not - it's doing a code-limited digital compression instead.
i was about to go to sleep and miami is here, i m watching👀, for transition✌, great explanation my man,as it goes for comp, i use 3 to 4 of them just everytime, jst finality on vox and sometimes on guitars, ggd smash n grab(fet style) on drums and bass, and reacomp on others, and sometimes the channel strip one!!thats all for me, gotta try jw bus glue!!
Okay, first: I love you Miami! 😻😹 Second: I thought I’d learned a lot, but TIL I didn’t know squash about compressors! (See what I did there… What? Leave the puns to the pro? Okay, fine… 😝) Seriously, that was wildly informative! And a little overwhelming, trying to assimilate the different types and what they do. I might have to watch it again!🤔
You left out Pulse WIdth Modulation compression like the POM Pye and the Bridge Diode compressors like the Neve 33609. Don't forget about air compressors like the Ingersoll Rand which blows compressed air toward your speakers to reduce the dynamic range. OK I'm joking about the last one but the others are worth a mention.
Really nice to know the scenarios for all these compressors. Also - your attacktime must be very slow because ALL of your transitions are coming through nicely and they are top notch! ;)
Nice presentation, thank you. The speed of light and the speed of electricity is a very intricate discussion. Its not as simple as 1/100th. 'Just sayin'' (as the youngsters say....). Bill P.
There are more than 4 types. Diode Bridge and PWM are two. I'd absolutely call digital compressors (whether from Weiss or FirComp) another class as well; it is ridiculous to pretend that the many differences don't matter. In fact, VST compressors really "don't matter" when all they are is code going through the same D/A circuit. The differences in workflow and yes, SOUND are pretty dramatic vs the real hardware that they claim to be emulating. The right tool for the job, is all that matters here.
Electricity isn’t 1/100’th the speed of light. What you are referring to is frequency being at 60 hz, coming off the line. A lot of instances boost the frequency. Frequency drives on a motor for example. Electronic ballasts in a light commonly change frequencies to 50Khz, which makes electricity way faster than the speed of light (according to your claim)
It's the internet, so facts are not important, or pronunciation or how compressors work, or what components are important in a FET. But outside of that, it's a very nice video. Now viewers think they know what is going on, which is the value TH-cam brings us.
@@lewisticknor audio is a strange area of expertise. A kid with a laptop and headphones can make better music and mixes than someone who is experienced, competent, knowledgeable etc… which raises a question in philosophy. And all these software companies are trying to make the best pre-set workflow so everyone can sound the same. $$$
Great Video! I assume Gain Reduction is an FET model. But it always seems to know how to make vocals sound better, and has simple controls so idiots like me can't mess it up:-) -Fred
I actually was going to explain this lol but I’m going to have to do an example in a future episode. It’s hard to pin but most would say vca. I’ll be explaining why it’s so difficult to place as well -Miami
Oh, I see what you did there. This is a part 1 in the series, and in the next video your gonna show how to hear compression (the hardest god damn thing in the whole world) and compare these types. And your gonna translate the words like ratio, threshold, knee to thump, harsh, snappy... Hint, hint ;)
Alright alright alright, but what do you do first, EQ or Compression? -- And which compressor 'colors' the sound the most? PS 4 words, Drop transitions not Mics!
I almost always use Eq first because I want my compression to smooth it out! This is something I adopted from old school mixers on ssl boards that always put the eq first to smooth out large boosts that might not sound musical. Opto and tube are the ones to go to for color! -Miami
Forget the tutorial, I'm here for the transition game.
People said I was slacking on em so I had to come back 10 times harder😩
-Miami
@@joeymusic This is punk for engineers.
"if you could type four words in the comments" LOL
His transistor game is amazing.
@@joeymusic We love you Miami.
We, in the studio have become obsessed with compressors. I remember reading an article that was written by a famous mixing engineer and he said, in the old days, you didnt worry about what type of compressor you had, you just used what was available, didn't matter, 1176 or a radio shack compressor, you just used it. He said that the biggest worry that the engineer had in those days was getting through the sessions without the tape machine breaking down and not what type of compressor you were using..
Thank you for actually separating the videos into clear parts! Too many people don't get to the point.
WE love you Miami!
I love you all too
-Miami
great content as always. i think someone stated it earlier but explaning the application for each one was gold.
Thanks Robert! I tried to break this down into the simplest way I could in the shortest amount of time possible. I even reminded myself of some things doing this vid lmao
-Miami
I love those educational quickies! And the transition game is on fleek 👌🏼👌🏼
Thanks so much! I love having fun with videos and cgi and awesome performances, but sometimes we have to go back to the basics and hammer it into our minds
-Miami
Super great teachings. There is a bunch of information out there so it became confusing how things really are from the basics and to learn and apply a sort of things. I always rewatch this and come back to Joey Sturgis, this is pure music producing wisdom and knowledge. A lot of thanks.
This was informative. I tend to use compressors on their respective sources; FET on individual tracks, VCA on busses, and optical sometimes when stacking compression. But I never knew why I subconsciously reached for these compressors for these applications, until now!
Dude I’m so glad! Even making this it reminded ME of subconscious moves I make all the time
-Miami
It's fine to experiment, although I'd avoid choosing any tool out of habit or "rules" - because I don't like being lazy and/or getting dull mixes!
> *LISTEN FIRST and then decide what tool is either **_complimentary_** or **_stacking_** towards the result of what you are after.* <
I've been at this for 3 decades, and in the end there are only those two ways to go with any processing: stacking or complimenting to achieve the desired result. The rest is indeterminate confusion and second-guessing that is best saved for experimentation., i.e. trial and error (go until you know *that* you know).
P E A C E
Ive been away from JST for 4-5 years learning game dev so i was completely surprised to see someone other than Joey, but now that im back I am very glad to see JST growing, new faces, great content, I look forward to jumping back in and finally upgrading my studio!
Thanks for this great content! Looking forward to jumping back into the family!
Lol this my first time seeing the channel (I've seen the plugins). I thought he was Joey Sturgis until I read this lmfao.
i know all this stuff, but the explanation is just awesome and it's worth the watch.
Yea! The reminders are nice sometimes because we get so caught up in mixing we don’t think about the logical aspects. Even doing this video I reminded myself of why I reach for certain things sometimes
-Miami
@@joeymusic is there a video about types of reverbs and delays? that would be awesome!!!
This guy is so entertaining to watch! More vids plllllleeeasseeee!!
Great one Miami, fastest and yet best explanation of different compression styles! Loved this one :)
So glad you thought so Filip! That’s the exact thing I was going for😅
-Miami
@@joeymusic You nailed it! See you on URM! :)
Fantastic explanation. Unfortunately the compressor in my garage adds too much noise to the mix so I'd better go for these four types. Badum tiss. Lol. Seriously though, explaining the difference between a compressor that's best for a source rather than a bus is huge.
Tubes and FETs are voltage controlled devices whereas ooto isolators and transistors are current controlled. Electrical engineering game is strong. Now if only I could sing ...
Dude, is that what you do for work? Got some questions for something I’m building lol
-Miami
@@joeymusic I have a degree in electrical engineering, but for the past 10 years I've been doing network engineering instead because it pays better.
@@joeymusic anyway if you have any questions, I'll be happy to try to answer them :-)
This explains everything so well! Thanks bro
So glad I could help dude! Eq episode coming soon
-Miami
Damn! I needed this!
Glad I could help out!
-Miami
@@joeymusic thank you, Miami! 👊
I usually go for 1176 on everything! But when I can choose it's SSL on bus, API on bass and sometimes on toms, and 1176 on almost everything else. BG drums is really helpful too !
There’s a reason that cla made a whole movement with that thing! I love api on bass too (even the preamps)
-Miami
It would be interesting to do this with the most common types of reverb
That is an amazing idea! I’ll definitely do that
-Miami
@@joeymusic yeah it's always hard to decide which type to use !
Super helpful video. I've learned about this in school and in random studio moments but it's always been hard for me to remember the specifics. Thanks for breaking down such an important subject!
Glad to be a reminder, Tony! We all need one once in a while, even if its info we already know!
-Miami
You missed probably the most important one - the diode bridge compressor made famous by Rupert Neve in the 70s e.g. the 2254
PWM also.
Digital compression should be a separate class, too - a Weiss or FirComp are nothing like the others.
Look-ahead is the digital 'game-changer' and is a major difference producing results impossible to get from other comps. Instead we like to pretend that the VST "equivalent" is doing "the same thing" when it is not - it's doing a code-limited digital compression instead.
this is the only channel i have the bell on
Really appreciate it, Vitor! We will keep bringing you the content you deserve
-Miami
i was about to go to sleep and miami is here, i m watching👀, for transition✌, great explanation my man,as it goes for comp, i use 3 to 4 of them just everytime, jst finality on vox and sometimes on guitars, ggd smash n grab(fet style) on drums and bass, and reacomp on others, and sometimes the channel strip one!!thats all for me, gotta try jw bus glue!!
Always love seeing you here dude! Now get some sleep and let all that info sink in😀
-Miami
@@joeymusic ahha yeah for sure ✌, Morning🌞
Manley Labs Slam mastering version is an Elop/Fet .... FET.. So no problem using FET as a bus comp. I love the sound of that unit..
Thank you for the class!
Okay, first: I love you Miami! 😻😹
Second: I thought I’d learned a lot, but TIL I didn’t know squash about compressors! (See what I did there… What? Leave the puns to the pro? Okay, fine… 😝)
Seriously, that was wildly informative! And a little overwhelming, trying to assimilate the different types and what they do. I might have to watch it again!🤔
Its worth a second watch just to drill all the info into your brain! Keep the puns up, im here for it
-Miami
thank you Joey, took notes from italy :)
love this !
amazing video, it was very helpful. thanks!!!!!
This is a great video and you got straight to the point! Thank you bro
You left out Pulse WIdth Modulation compression like the POM Pye and the Bridge Diode compressors like the Neve 33609. Don't forget about air compressors like the Ingersoll Rand which blows compressed air toward your speakers to reduce the dynamic range. OK I'm joking about the last one but the others are worth a mention.
Haha epic
Really nice to know the scenarios for all these compressors. Also - your attacktime must be very slow because ALL of your transitions are coming through nicely and they are top notch! ;)
This hit me right in the feels 😩
-Miami
Thank you SO MUCH for this man!
Super helpful thank you!!
how about different types of eq'a?
Coming soon😃
-Miami
JST Rocks
The pun game here was on point 😂
Nice presentation, thank you.
The speed of light and the speed of electricity is a very intricate discussion.
Its not as simple as 1/100th.
'Just sayin'' (as the youngsters say....).
Bill P.
Well said!
I love you Miami
Love you too Ale 😘
-Miami
I love these vids
Stick around... I haven’t even reached my final form
-Miami
Thanks Miami
Any and every day, my friend!
-Miami
There are more than 4 types.
Diode Bridge and PWM are two. I'd absolutely call digital compressors (whether from Weiss or FirComp) another class as well; it is ridiculous to pretend that the many differences don't matter. In fact, VST compressors really "don't matter" when all they are is code going through the same D/A circuit. The differences in workflow and yes, SOUND are pretty dramatic vs the real hardware that they claim to be emulating.
The right tool for the job, is all that matters here.
Electricity isn’t 1/100’th the speed of light. What you are referring to is frequency being at 60 hz, coming off the line. A lot of instances boost the frequency. Frequency drives on a motor for example. Electronic ballasts in a light commonly change frequencies to 50Khz, which makes electricity way faster than the speed of light (according to your claim)
It's the internet, so facts are not important, or pronunciation or how compressors work, or what components are important in a FET. But outside of that, it's a very nice video. Now viewers think they know what is going on, which is the value TH-cam brings us.
@@lewisticknor audio is a strange area of expertise. A kid with a laptop and headphones can make better music and mixes than someone who is experienced, competent, knowledgeable etc… which raises a question in philosophy.
And all these software companies are trying to make the best pre-set workflow so everyone can sound the same. $$$
Very helpful 🔥
Vca after a tube mic could be a good chain.
Subbed. Very helpful.
isn't dbx a vca comp? Because dbcomp from Analog Obsession has no attack and release
Great Video! I assume Gain Reduction is an FET model. But it always seems to know how to make vocals sound better, and has simple controls so idiots like me can't mess it up:-) -Fred
Love the video😂
Is subjectivity possible even with “necessary” methods?
what catergory would a distressor fall under?
I actually was going to explain this lol but I’m going to have to do an example in a future episode. It’s hard to pin but most would say vca. I’ll be explaining why it’s so difficult to place as well
-Miami
No one hit me with those 4 words in the comments😢. I don’t feel loved
-Miami
Bro I have no time for compressors. I just use the cla76 on pretty much everything just because. I need to step up my compression game tho
Thanks man.
Oh, I see what you did there. This is a part 1 in the series, and in the next video your gonna show how to hear compression (the hardest god damn thing in the whole world) and compare these types. And your gonna translate the words like ratio, threshold, knee to thump, harsh, snappy...
Hint, hint ;)
That may very well be coming soon =)
-Miami
Forgetting diode bridge and PWM my man!
Alright alright alright, but what do you do first, EQ or Compression? -- And which compressor 'colors' the sound the most? PS 4 words, Drop transitions not Mics!
I almost always use Eq first because I want my compression to smooth it out! This is something I adopted from old school mixers on ssl boards that always put the eq first to smooth out large boosts that might not sound musical. Opto and tube are the ones to go to for color!
-Miami
Is JST Bus Guitars smash mode VCA or FET? 🤔
It’s a peak limiter 🐰 🥚
Miami
@@joeymusic thanks! I usually like to do a touch of compression and limiting on my guitar bus and just picked up the plugin! Cheers!
Thanks
I love you miami
I love you too bro🥲
I love you too
-Miami
the sky is the limit(er)?
Only if you’re using Sm7b with a Cloud lifter😂
-Miami
🔥🔥🔥
Great information but ease up on the gen z format please 🤣
What’s the most gen z part about it to you lol
-Miami
Your voice sounds compressed wtf)
hahahaha this guy is the worst🧀🧀
Hope you have a great day too 😘
-Miami
boring cringe
Hopefully you find someone that makes transistors fun! Have a great one
-Miami
Interesting subject, however, I think the host is trying to be liked too much. Is it not an interesting subject enough just to deliver the info
boring
You’re going to lose your mind on Friday then😏
-Miami
@@joeymusic i already losed my mind along before your birth)
Thanks :)
I love you Miami