J Krishnamurti is not someone to whom you can listen for entertainment or for knowledge. If you want to change your life, if you want to get rid of bad habits and you really meant to do something for yourself, then only you should listen to him. You can't take him lightly.
His teachings are very rich in content. But, we can sum them up to: do not replace what is by what should be. We should stop playing smart and stay simple.
I think what gets lost in this discussion is the difference between ego/intellect willfully forcing change in ourselves/the world as opposed to the spirit being open to or surrendering to the natural changes inherent in the universe. The first example of change occurs rapidly or at least that is the expectation and the second example more slowly the way stars or galaxies or stones in a river change.
Thank you! Trimming the dialogue into short videos and giving each an appropriate name will help attract the appropriate people to come to the discussions in this modern society.
I've seen people hold on to their believes/ideas to the grave. So i like to challenge that. No permanent self is the free man. Nothing remains in him. And life flows like water through his beeing. But my experience with people is that most are unable to keep the self unbound. And things in the bundle become static and remain.
@@siddhartham507 there must be a safe feeling that you don't loose... quiet life and space to think about TIME relapse.... what's the beauty that you would like to unlock?
In my eyes I see an Inside and an Outside. Ever in interaction. In life you always have to take care of the environment of your body. Your cells pray for the best Care....
Efficiency is great. But sometimes you need to take your time and enjoy the process. The reason people love to cook a meal isn’t only to eat, there’s faster ways to get fed. Learn to enjoy the process of becoming successful and you’ll never need “motivation” again.
Challenge the i. Take things away from it(not as a discipline/method/punishment but as challenge/play/research/blanco). And observe. Then the i will reveal its real properties/quality. As the gentlemen said the i will still be there. And the i will still be suffering. But the i will not suffer suffering anymore(victim). Because you got the "why".
"The Krishnamurti" we are hearing and seeing is the outcome of all the lives he lived. It is the final result; a ripe mango with all the juices developed. But we are all unaware of his past lives and what journey he went through in all those lives. Krishnamurti can definitely say an authority is not needed because he speaks out of ripeness. But can it be true for us? The answer can be a yes or it can be a no. We may just be in the first few lives where we need an authority(a guru, a path) which we need to stick to and bring purity in all aspects of our lives. Or we may be in the same phase as Krishnamurti and then an authority may not be be needed.
I strongly believe that Krishnamurti would strongly disagree with you. You might see that you are evading the real quest by building a metaphysical wall before your eyes.
Nah man, don't complicate things. Drop this whole past life idea, ur getting lost in the sauce of fantasy. He was a man, not a mango and I doubt he'd taste like ripe fruit.
Cuz u r the same seeker, the Man Who whatch at the thought, u r not the thought. U r the One Who Watch It. U cant understand this in Logic. It Is what It Is, there's no reason to talk about or to discuss. U r the One Who Watch everything and stays in silence.
And there's no I. The I Always change, but "u" are the One Who Watch the "I". U cant realise that, u cant understand this logically, u can only live that, It Is a feeling that Need ti get trust, trust in the universe, trust that u with othet 8.000.000.000 of beings, u r like the other being, same ingredient, different Cook up. U r the being in Ur mind, if u identify with a thought, the I Will became the thought. SO, if there's no thought, at all, lets Say, there's no thought in the Moment, Who are u? I think that the universe Is silence. So, Who are u... Universe? Thats the point. I would like ur opinion on that and the opinions of other people.
@@gameplaytv0017This is a great comment, I see you went really deep into this. How can I be something separate? 😂 I cannot be separate. I is I. Seperate is I and I is separate. They are the same thing and go together. And to share an opinion with you according with ur last sentence; I also believe that that behind I is Universe, vast space investigating itself, playing hide n seek.
@carsten geri . Ramana Maharshi’ teaching has only one single focusef pointer: inquire into the “ I - I “ method. = the weapon of weapons to inquire “The Self”. Easy and difficult at the sale time.
Oh man , they were on the right track , and asked the right question at 6:08 but suddenly they got deviated from the Krishnamurti sir essence... He was about to explain the secret of "I "
I have been for so long trying to put my finger on this but without words it was like something below the surface of the water. I could make it out but without clarity I could not put my finger on it. Now it’s like with his words and applying to the observations of oneself I am able to come upon these insights but I always feel there is another step I simply am lacking in seeing therefore I cannot take those steps consciously on my own 🤔
Friend I have seen you some places of k videos many time . I am also doing same kind stuff but apart simple thing I don’t have insight into some big things very small things apart . I really not encounter other human being who has, maybe some I never encounter one ,to have insight in big things of mind .
Another step to what? Another step to where? This "where" is your key! Kill it and Eureka! But remember there is nothing to be killed! The killer is the killed!
I am created by a blueprint and in order for me to change the blueprint needs to be changed which cannot happen. The only thing you can change is your perception of yourself. Its like trying to change a flower into a goat, it can never happen unless the seed (blueprint) was changed before the flower had grown.
This could be the demand of a mind,as an observer,who,after chasing one observed after another,has not been able to lays his hands on that elusive unending bliss for which all this time and energy are being expended for !!!!! Again,"change",if defined subjectively, will be within the limits of our content of consciousness.Unless the mind is definite about what it wants to change into,and why,this action will be endless,and one lifetime will not be enough for it.When we understand that " change" can only be defined by an unchanging factor, introspection will accompany this demand,and there is a possibility of a "permanent change",in that the mind goes back to its original state of " no change".
We are all conditioned and in some or the other kind of bondages. We are born with imperfections like ego, jealousy, greed and fear. These attributes makes us belive that the dellusioned self is I. This happens due to lack of self knowledge and wisdom. We have to keep deconditioning ourselves, keep freeing ourselves and relieve from all the bondages which come as external factors as well as internal. That is when we reach near our real SELF “I”
J Krishnamurti is not someone to whom you can listen for entertainment or for knowledge. If you want to change your life, if you want to get rid of bad habits and you really meant to do something for yourself, then only you should listen to him. You can't take him lightly.
His teachings are very rich in content. But, we can sum them up to: do not replace what is by what should be. We should stop playing smart and stay simple.
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Understanding the concept of self deception and observing it within yourself is an entirely different thing.
4:47 Seeing the beautiful smile of J Krishnamurti is very nice👏❤️
yes😁
Unfortunately I think he might have feigned that one
Cover the eyes and listen!
A beautiful smile, a magical laugh, a wonderful teacher. Thank you!
Thanks
Thank you for your generosity
david bohm, the legend
I think what gets lost in this discussion is the difference between ego/intellect willfully forcing change in ourselves/the world as opposed to the spirit being open to or surrendering to the natural changes inherent in the universe. The first example of change occurs rapidly or at least that is the expectation and the second example more slowly the way stars or galaxies or stones in a river change.
*This video is like a rarest diamond for me*
This video is a fragment .
Thank you! Trimming the dialogue into short videos and giving each an appropriate name will help attract the appropriate people to come to the discussions in this modern society.
That is so true I see myself doing this!!! Wow
The experienced appears to be the same but actually isn’t…that too arises and passes away. There is no permanent self.
Meant ‘experiencer’ …TH-cam predicts the text and doesn’t allow editing!
I've seen people hold on to their believes/ideas to the grave. So i like to challenge that.
No permanent self is the free man. Nothing remains in him. And life flows like water through his beeing. But my experience with people is that most are unable to keep the self unbound. And things in the bundle become static and remain.
Yes there is no self
@@siddhartham507 there must be a safe feeling that you don't loose... quiet life and space to think about TIME relapse.... what's the beauty that you would like to unlock?
Highly obliged The Master ❤
Highly obliged - ok . The Master - I think JK wouldn’t approve to this
Ohhhh…. I had never understood this before ! Ohhhh … thank you ! 🧡
Mind blowing...
In my eyes I see an Inside and an Outside. Ever in interaction.
In life you always have to take care of the environment of your body. Your cells pray for the best Care....
Efficiency is great.
But sometimes you need to take your time and enjoy the process.
The reason people love to cook a meal isn’t only to eat, there’s faster ways to get fed.
Learn to enjoy the process of becoming successful and you’ll never need “motivation” again.
great way of looking at it
I want to change from sad to happy. I watch these friends have a laugh and the change is complete.
😊🙏🏽👌🏻👌🏻👌🏻👌🏻... The root of all...! 😊🙏🏽✋🏼🙌🏼🔥
amazing conversation
Brilliant!
0:20 so right!
Challenge the i. Take things away from it(not as a discipline/method/punishment but as challenge/play/research/blanco). And observe. Then the i will reveal its real properties/quality.
As the gentlemen said the i will still be there. And the i will still be suffering. But the i will not suffer suffering anymore(victim). Because you got the "why".
This Man❤🔥
These guys don't get Krishnamurti. He's so beyond. The "I" is the problem. They got it for a second then moved
Well Bohm got it, but the other guy didn't, krishnamurti said himself that Bohm is one of the few people who completely what he tried to say
"The Krishnamurti" we are hearing and seeing is the outcome of all the lives he lived. It is the final result; a ripe mango with all the juices developed. But we are all unaware of his past lives and what journey he went through in all those lives. Krishnamurti can definitely say an authority is not needed because he speaks out of ripeness. But can it be true for us? The answer can be a yes or it can be a no. We may just be in the first few lives where we need an authority(a guru, a path) which we need to stick to and bring purity in all aspects of our lives. Or we may be in the same phase as Krishnamurti and then an authority may not be be needed.
Mangos always tasted like wood to me.
I suppose that is what fiber is.
I strongly believe that Krishnamurti would strongly disagree with you. You might see that you are evading the real quest by building a metaphysical wall before your eyes.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 You are so gullible...
Nah man, don't complicate things. Drop this whole past life idea, ur getting lost in the sauce of fantasy.
He was a man, not a mango and I doubt he'd taste like ripe fruit.
Excellent
Jk en estos diálogos se ríe como ningún otro... Se sentía cómodo con Bohm a un lado.
I don't realise what i really am.....I live in the illusion that I am different from everything I think. Hence this separation always remains intact.
Cuz u r the same seeker, the Man Who whatch at the thought, u r not the thought. U r the One Who Watch It. U cant understand this in Logic. It Is what It Is, there's no reason to talk about or to discuss. U r the One Who Watch everything and stays in silence.
That Is my personal esperience at least
And there's no I. The I Always change, but "u" are the One Who Watch the "I". U cant realise that, u cant understand this logically, u can only live that, It Is a feeling that Need ti get trust, trust in the universe, trust that u with othet 8.000.000.000 of beings, u r like the other being, same ingredient, different Cook up. U r the being in Ur mind, if u identify with a thought, the I Will became the thought. SO, if there's no thought, at all, lets Say, there's no thought in the Moment, Who are u? I think that the universe Is silence. So, Who are u... Universe? Thats the point. I would like ur opinion on that and the opinions of other people.
Nicely put.
@@gameplaytv0017This is a great comment, I see you went really deep into this.
How can I be something separate?
😂
I cannot be separate.
I is I.
Seperate is I and I is separate.
They are the same thing and go together.
And to share an opinion with you according with ur last sentence;
I also believe that that behind I is Universe, vast space investigating itself, playing hide n seek.
The Universe is Atom and empty Space. All else is Opinion. (Demetrius)
@carsten geri . Ramana Maharshi’ teaching has only one single focusef pointer: inquire into the “ I - I “ method. = the weapon of weapons to inquire “The Self”. Easy and difficult at the sale time.
Oh man , they were on the right track , and asked the right question at 6:08 but suddenly they got deviated from the Krishnamurti sir essence...
He was about to explain the secret of "I "
There is no free will, therefore there is no cause of anything.
Thanksgiving
I want to change in tomorrow but my tomorrow will never arrive.
Forget tomorrow and there is change now
Wow !
I have been for so long trying to put my finger on this but without words it was like something below the surface of the water. I could make it out but without clarity I could not put my finger on it. Now it’s like with his words and applying to the observations of oneself I am able to come upon these insights but I always feel there is another step I simply am lacking in seeing therefore I cannot take those steps consciously on my own 🤔
Friend I have seen you some places of k videos many time . I am also doing same kind stuff but apart simple thing I don’t have insight into some big things very small things apart . I really not encounter other human being who has, maybe some I never encounter one ,to have insight in big things of mind .
Another step to what? Another step to where? This "where" is your key! Kill it and Eureka! But remember there is nothing to be killed! The killer is the killed!
I was blessed to meet him when he came at vasanta vihar Chennai in 1986 Jan. He expired in the same year 17th Feb.
The tree forgets that the root is a part of itself. We look on the outside the answers that we must look on inside.
None of us watching the video changed and No one talking to him in the video changed
Root says I’m looking for the root 😂😂😂😂
I am created by a blueprint and in order for me to change the blueprint needs to be changed which cannot happen.
The only thing you can change is your perception of yourself.
Its like trying to change a flower into a goat, it can never happen unless the seed (blueprint) was changed before the flower had grown.
Please upload full video
Check the video description
This could be the demand of a mind,as an observer,who,after chasing one observed after another,has not been able to lays his hands on that elusive unending bliss for which all this time and energy are being expended for !!!!! Again,"change",if defined subjectively, will be within the limits of our content of consciousness.Unless the mind is definite about what it wants to change into,and why,this action will be endless,and one lifetime will not be enough for it.When we understand that " change" can only be defined by an unchanging factor, introspection will accompany this demand,and there is a possibility of a "permanent change",in that the mind goes back to its original state of " no change".
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Isn't there a bright insight at the end of complete surrender?
There is insight .
pretty much sums up the futility of the self help industry. Prescription that lead no where
DB: why do you have to follow the authority to see authority?
Do you have to deceive yourself in order to understand self-deception?
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8:16 This is not an intellectual game. Not fun at all. Situation is serious.
I want to change. Quiero, no quiero! That's not the way! Same I, not the I you need to change yourself.
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Doc never understood what j k getting at !!!
🎞️ Framer reframing the frame.
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Mr.Miyagi IRL.
Who were the other peeps..!?
I want to know the name of guy in blue sweater
David Bohm.
I don’t get the question „How am I not to be I“ Can somebody please rephrase? Can I also say: „Why am I not I?“ Is this the same question?
We are all conditioned and in some or the other kind of bondages. We are born with imperfections like ego, jealousy, greed and fear. These attributes makes us belive that the dellusioned self is I. This happens due to lack of self knowledge and wisdom. We have to keep deconditioning ourselves, keep freeing ourselves and relieve from all the bondages which come as external factors as well as internal. That is when we reach near our real SELF “I”
Worded in another way, "How can I be anything other than what I am?"
Do you hace the full interview? Thank you :)
Check the video description
@@kft Thankyou sir
Others have no clue what JK means 😅
If the old cannot bring the new…then… “what” can do so…please? 🥹
Old can die