The new Joker sucks - UNPOPULAR OPINION
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4yrs later and Joker 2 basically confirms he in fact, wasn't the Joker..
I got the feeling that the main character was originally written as being just some guy but the studio said, "This will sell a whole lot better if we make him an iconic character. He's a professional clown, how about the Joker?"
Agreed 😂
Kind of like what happened with Terminator Salvation. It was turned into a Terminator movie after the script was around for years.
Yeah, agree completely. This became a huge hit and critically loved but I really think it made no sense at all connecting it to Joker and Batman. It is one of those films where you feel that you are just missing something everyone else gets, because this made no sense as a joker movie.
@user-iv8hm6ui4l Is there an interview or article or something where I can see that?
Nope. Todd Phillips wrote this movie specifically for the joker Because comic book movies were at it's peak with the avengers and he knew an original idea wouldn't work
I'm so glad its not just me, all the reviews are like "omg its amazing hes the best joker" but he was nothing like the joker at all.
You cannot lie, his acting was amazing in JOKER. But the story was just average.
@@spookyhours607 10/10 for acting definitely, it was the storyline and the fact it was supposed to be the joker.
@Marky Coleman Bad take
@Marky Coleman lol and the laugh/crying n gay dancing were even more cringe
@@thetrashcanman7537 bad taste
I’m glad to hear some valid criticisms of the film that aren’t politically motivated. Most of what I’ve heard about it is either praise or political stuff and I’m glad to finally see some have something to say about it that I haven’t heard before.
This needs to be higher up.0
These aren't even valid criticisms. Hes saying the film isnt a good joker movie when It was never intentionally reinacting comic book joker's origin and personality.
@@joshcoolzwit1364 so why call it the joker in the first place? I'll wait 🤔
@@Xander-86 because that's the name Arthur told Murray to introduce him by .
I wouldn't classify the positive comments as being "Politically Motivated" this comment reads as if a child wrote in hoopes of being viewed as an adult.
No what this the positive comments reflect is an industry desire to gernerate so much hype that it results in immense Box Office revenue and award nominations.
One thing that had me confused is how the Joker is 30 years older then Bruce. By the time Bruce becomes Batman, Joker is already in his 60’s.
He isn't 30 years older. Bruce is like 10 and Joker is like 30 something on this movie probably. More like 20ish years.
Bruce looks 10 in this movie and Joker looks mid to late 40s. Joaqion Phoenix is 45
It’s a stand alone movie not connected to the other dc movies
Joaquin was 44-45 when filming Joker, and his character looks that age. So I think we can assume that Arthur is more than 30 years older then Bruce. And if Bruce becomes batman somewhere after 25, Joaquin joker will be in his 60s.
@@stefanmikkelsen5998 there is no Batman it’s a stand alone movie
The thing that’s bad in my opinion is, The joker is one of if not the most evil comic book villains out there. And they kinda made it seem like he’s a good person but hes broken. But in reality he’s a complete psycho who will kill anyone without caring
True, the only "joker" thing about this movie is the title.
Its almost like a commentary on what normies think of people who like comic book characters like The Joker.
Exactly. Joker was never supposed to be moral, never was.
@@sole__doubtit's a love letter from : a failed comedy director with one mediocre movie to his name.. to : the biggest, most worthless sack of shit, mentally deficient, soyboy incels that can relate to this garbage movie. Even though, most probably should take the Kurt Cobain challenge and spare the rest of us some greif
@@sole__doubtit's a love letter from the deficient director to his fellow soyboy, perpetual victim mentality turds in society where people don't affirm some pathetic waste of life's self aggrandizing delusions and that makes them "mean" and worth destroying... Like the other 500 billion shitty his or her mental breakdown murder movies. Not in the same solar system as the actual Joker character. Hell, I even prefer Leto over this weak willed garbage though his performance was apparently hindered by more than just questionable aesthetic choices... Turd Phillips even admitted publicly that it is "joker" IN NAME ALONE... Once he convinced the studio heads to increase funding for a "comic book movie" he pulled a bait and switch..other than a few non consequential references and showing Thomas Wayne in the trailer, so that enough of the IP is sprinkled in to pass the studio sniff test... The Wayne bs was so predictable and still fucking irritating.. "oh don't worry my almost middle aged, mentally deficient meal ticket.. the rich guy I worked for is your real Dad"... Gtfoh
"You think this movie is bad?"
"Yes. And I'm tired of people pretending its not."
So glad so many people are finally getting it.
It's a great movie
Thank you..
@@envy7455 Great movie but not a Joker movie, should've called it something else.
@@wildshetentertainment1821 Why not? What makes this not a joker movie?
@@envy7455 watch the video?
Jared Leto's Joker was a masterclass in trying way too hard
You sound dumb if he was trying to wait to go at Heath Ledger was trying way too hard you could just look up his preparations to play the role
@@Here0Be0Dragons Ledger was definitely "method" but at least he kept his nonsense to himself and didn't insist on involving the cast and crew. Why else was he not asked back for any future movies? Come on back when you can form a complete argument or at least a coherent sentence you illiterate halfwit
Jared Leto’s Joker was horrible.
He prolly vapes too
@@jonesey251 Do you really believe what the media claims about anyone at all???
Jared is very laid back to be what they are portraying him as. Grow some fucking brains already... collectivist moron!
Thank you! I am glad to see that I wasn't the only one who thought this was a crappy Joker movie. A decent movie about mental illness perhaps, but definitely not a joker movie. As you explained so well, this version of the Joker is just dumb, pathetic and unintimidating.
🤣🤣🤣 Joker is right
I mean that's how real psychopaths behave
yeah, its a great movie on mental illness but a shit movie on the joker. It just wasnt the joker.
@@TheGoat2367But the Joker isn’t realistic and that’s what makes him creepy. Making him more realistic is making him boring.
Why is there so many dislikes
This guy is spitting right facts
Le epic Reddit army oh nooooooo!!!!!!
Because other people have opinions, and this is a very controversial movie.
@@rimsom9711except some opinions are flat out dumb and wrong.. art isn't subjective. That's what shitty artists and pseudo intellectuals say to cope with they're own lack of talent, etc etc... any art form can be quantifiably and objectively measured then broken down analytically to determine is actual quality.. this movie is objectively shite from start to finish.. real comic fans ditched it after seeing it once.. the rest are vapid shills or the " I've never seen a comic book and only watch the mediocre movies from the MCU/DCEU and couldn't name on comic character prior to 2008" morons that think they're opinions even matter.
Thanks for this video, I also can't imagine this character they've shown in the movie could ever become THE Joker, who manipulates people, unpredictable, intimidating, plan way ahead of things, and always prepared for his escape from any situation, as you said controls the chaos. The Joker movie could have been a way better movie if it wasn't called the Joker and they are not trying so hard to sell it as it's about the comic book character. But Joaquin Phoenix played great the awkward, clumsy sociopath who is imagining taking revenge on others for things his mind created.
Thing is I never felt like at all that the film was trying to sell it as a Joker film. Like forget about the title of the film act like it's something else. Take out that it's set in Gotham replace it for any other US city. Take out that he calls himself the Joker at the end. And then lastly pretend that Thomas and Bruce have completely different names like call them Jon and Mike Smith. Do all that and nobody would even think it's a Joker film or had any sort of connection to any comic book at all. Those would be very very minor changes to make and wouldn't change the film one bit. So to me that is how little the film itself was trying to sell it as a comic book movie. It was just WB and DC that were selling it as that. While it was clear as day that Todd Phillips had zero interest in making an actual comic book film. Instead he just had always wanted to make a film like this. Pretty sure he himself even came out and said basically exactly that. That this was a film he already had written and come up with and that it never involved Joker or anything to do with comics.
Yeah this Joker felt more like an autistic Joker rather than a psychopath Joker.
@@OrangeUtan1 forest gump as joker, describes this movie in one sentence
@@RealogOnlyBrodie that is pretty accurate 😅
Where Arthur even resembles a sociopath??
Joker in 2008: you wanna know how I got these scars
Joker in 2019: Mommy, the comedian on tv made fun of me.
ikr they named the movie joker but there is on joker in this movie. wtf i nearly fell asleep
Still cant believe Joker fanboys think it's a better movie than Logan. Logan's one of the best CBM of all time. Joker is average...
He never told his mom that. Also he did something about it.
@@unholyspark8262 jeez you dont have to take it LITTERALLY
@@_mathew_2850 I know, but, it's not even accurate.
If it was called something else besides the joker it would be awesome, but after multiple viewings I realized I initially loved it because it was a great film, but not the joker
Jarrett Spence great assessment and exactly how I felt. The worst parts of the movie is where they tried to jam Bruce into it for no reason.
John Fritz they didn’t really.
Aezakmi ohh. Sorry for the spoilers did not know you haven’t seen it
Thank you for putting this into words! I couldn’t really put into words how I hated this movie but I just couldn’t find how he would make the switch from being incompetent and socially awkward (Aspergers essentially). He’s detached from reality and that never equates to “a brilliant criminal”. As you stated, he spent the whole movie being beat up and we never saw how he made the switch from being weak to being the crime boss. I did voice that as I watched the movie!
Finally someone that tells it like it is. Not the joker at all whatsoever
people wanna replicate the experience from the dark knight joker.. they are so desperate that they are ready to embrace their delusion. this trash is wack as fuck. a horrible movie.
Ohhhhhh damn you kicked the hornets nest on this one man....
I knew this wouldntrigfer some people, but I really wish they would watch the video before automatically disliking it.
@The Marked One Did you dislike the video or just disagree with the point?
@@whatisantilogic138 totally agreed
and the video is good too
@@whatisantilogic138 yea thats the fanboys for you lol
Good review. In stories like "The Killing Joke", the man who would become The Joker was gradually undone by a series of unfortunate events. Arthur did go through the same kind of stuff, but considering how he had been portrayed right from the start of the movie, I didn't feel that he was being undone; he was more like an accident waiting to happen.
In stories like “The Killing Joke”
joker specifies that he remembered things different, not specifically sure about it. It’s just the most recognizable backstory of Joker.
TheFerBoi 1 yeah but it’s really great and would be a good movie
This is a night and day difference between The Killing Joke and Joker, no comparison imo, The Killing Joke is one of the best scripts ever written, with a great, meaningful story, with tona of possible and plausible interpretations on different aspects... Also, very cool how the story develops along with characters, with two stories progressing together... In "Joker" you just get a take on a character whose only use is to show how mad people nowadays aren't helped, the guy does nothing, it's just stuff happening to him, start to end...
I kinda picture Joker as the clown telling one version of his backstory.
I really don't like the joker's origin in killing joke. It's so bland. He fell into a toxic tank and then he became crazy. Like what? Sure, his life is bad but they didn't focus on that aspect enough. Also his life isn't even that bad. Joker in 2019 had worse
I wouldn’t say this movie is necessarily an origin story for The Joker rather than a character study on how a person could eventually end up becoming someone like The Joker.
but an origin story IS a character study. Also, this movie is posed as Arthur Fleck pre-becoming the Joker so it's definitely an origin story. A character study anyways is supposed to show a logical line of events and character changes that lead to the character we all know. But we don't really see Arthur Fleck really actualising himself until the very end, and even then it still doesn't feel like he's complete or accurate to the traditional Joker. Like, all his decisions are impulsive, not methodical. And sure, there are villains that are purely impulse over logic, creating them as "loose-canons" for the superheroes to try and utilise emotional intelligence to make them come to their senses. But The Joker was never that. He's always been methodical and witty, just PORTRAYED as chaotic. He just creates chaos as his means of doing stuff. Any form of chaos or significant event Arthur Fleck creates is purely accidental, almost like he just happened to participate in it. But in the comics and previous movies, The Joker is the author of chaos and confusion. Ugh this movie shouldn't of ever been made because all it did was prove that dude-bro's don't know how to follow emotional or logical queues of storytelling
It was a bad character study though, he’s just crazy so his actions aren’t really coherent enough to be interesting and compelling. The themes are boring and weak. It’s just very meh.
@@joehopkins8799 Yea it's why I disliked the movie so much. As if your gonna make a Joker film of any sort I want to at least be able to imagine the man as the Joker. Yet with Arthur even in 15 to 20yrs I could never imagine him going toe to toe with Batman. I can imagine him being able to come up with some plot that kills hundreds. I can't imagine him getting under Batman skin and pushing him to his limits mentally or physically and by physical I don't mean him fighting Batman I just mean the trails he puts him through whether that is him using other villains to fight him or just some ordeal he puts him through. I can't imagine Arthur ever gaining follows can't imagine him ever convincing Harley Quinn to fall in love with him. He's just an idiot mostly and no way in hell is a man his age with his mental health gonna magically become smart and methodical out of the blue. He also has very little to any charisma and I can't really recall and single memorable thing he said in this film. Unlike the Joker from the comics, animated series, video games or other films where they have so many memorable lines.
Like why the hell did people rally behind him and start a revolt. Just because he shot a few rich assholes and then a late night host. People aren't gonna rally behind you just for shit like that. So it just feels flat and like he just got lucky that his actions caused any sort of ripple effect at all. While other versions of the Joker would be using people like Arthur as his followers. He would prey on weak minded people or mentally sick people and make them feel like they were special to be working with him. They he understood them that he would have their best interest. That the world has been unfair to them yet he is the answer they need. While Arthur is just like ohh wow people are doing shit because I killed a few men.
This takes place in like the 70s so I'm pretty sure Arthur fleck won't become the joker, but will inspire the actual joker. Since there are riots at the end and stuff.
You hearing the people involved talking about its a "character study" and using it as a defense for it not being boring doesnt make it any more interesting
You took every single word out of my mouth man. I do not get the obsession with this movie I really don't. Great and thorough critique.
@InSpaceDude how is it boring
@Just Some Guy Without a Mustang we have good taste. you guys just dont like anything that isnt relavent to your precious comics
@Just Some Guy Without a Mustang how fucking old are you? You sound 11
@@HawkeClan69 not even a shitty movie it is just a bad idea to use the Joker character to sell this movie. I also dislike how the movie just says “Ohhh his mental illness caused that!!!”
@@lecisteim_1945 Are you stupid? The movie is about mental illness awareness. Jesus Christ you're stupid. It's their own take on the joker.
THANK YOU!!!I thought I was the ONLY person who felt this way.
i think you both miss the point. the main character, arthur fleck, isn't the real joker.
I love the movie it’s dark it’s something real he doesn’t have fucking superpowers like he can survive Anything its dark I get it but that’s what made the movie good. Ok I know it’s there are some jokers were they were created by different thing I personally LOVE Jack Nicholson’s joker but fuck Leto’s Joker this is something new and different it has a deep feeling to it the movie it also explains how Society is it’s not like Batman needs to save Gotham... Gotham created joker....
Just saw it and what a total let down. After everyone calling it a masterpiece I was hyped. I haven't seen a new movie in around 5 years.
Timothy Murray THEN WHY CALL IT JOKER The only reason this movie exists is because they wanted to make a character study of a psychotic man but if thy did that no one would watch it so they slapped joker on there and made it about clowns
This movie is waaaaaay to overrated, it’s really good but overrated
Timothy Murray So why even call it the Joker? The movie literally sold itself on being this realistic dark take on the Jokers origins. This movie wasn’t realistic or a Joker origin so it failed on 2/3 things it told us it would deliver. Would you not be disappointed if you went to go see a Batman movie and all you got was a mentally disabled guy with dead parents, dancing around his house in a bat mask pretending he’s fighting crime?
I like the theory that this joker inspired Batman’s joker ... when you consider the time between when this movie takes place and Bruce becomes Batman .... and the age difference between Bruce & Arthur fleck ... I don’t think it’s far off to believe the events in this film inspired a young evil genius who goes on to become the joker w know and love
Kinda cool concept. I still didn't like the script. I think a short film with this concept would be 10/10 though.
I was equally dissatisfied with this film.
Same here
Best movie ever fool
@@negativeiq9383 psshhhh musta never seen Tropic Thunder lol
Stop wanting to always see violence if u wanna see violence everytime like those trash DC movies that we didn't like go back with the Jared Leto joker
Ryan Rickaby now that’s one of the best and funniest movies I’ve seen
This entire movie was just a very long introduction to the Notorious B.I.G. song "Juicy."
LivingInTheKaliYogurt Hilarious
It was all a dream
@@redfather5342 I used to read Word Up! magazine
I don't get it
Gaz Willz that’s tough...
I thought your overall take was spot on. Not only did I feel like this character was never the Joker, it was impossible that the character could ever turn into the Joker in the future, either. It was more a dark movie about someone with very low intelligence who suffering from serious emotional and other psychological problems. There were a couple of moments in the movie when he was unpredictably dangerous, such as when the short man (i.e., with dwarfism) was trying to get out of the apartment after Arthur killed their former co-worker, and when the female neighbor he had imagined having a relationship with started to freak out when he was in her apartment. However, those were intense scenes because Arthur seemed unpredictable from being so mentally and emotionally disabled, which is such a far cry from the conniving and ingenious mastermind of chaos that is such an essential characteristic of the Joker. This character simply did not have the IQ to be able to transform into the Joker, and I would have enjoyed it more had there been no references to Joker or Batman, and it was simply a psychological drama about a man in a clown suit suffering from mental and emotional problems.
He doesn't come across as particularly intelligent but I wouldn't describe him as dumb either. This is a movie about a man who feels so abused, neglected, and unoticed by the people around him that he sees no alternative but to become completely nihilistic and vengeful, and in the end finally accepting that his life is "nothing but a comedy". I could see this joker eventually becoming an intelligent criminal, not overnight but a sequel to this movie could show his rise to being someone worthy of the title of gotham's "clown prince of crime". I could easily see that happening as long as they don't rush it. He can't go straight from shooting Murray to pulling off a bank heist, he'll have to start smaller. I think that would be cool to see. Kind of like a joker version of breaking bad.
Also I think it's his emotional problems that make him seem less than bright. We often assume naive, kind natured people to be idiots but I think that's an unfair assessment of his character. I don't think his nearly as simple minded as he appears to be, he just has a simple minded sense of morality which his mother instilled in him. It's all very black and white to him.
@@clayton7993 I think Walter White’s transformation to Hisenberg was better. I don’t think you could compare the two. I prefer a intelligent joker.
@@sebastianblackfyre Could have shown Arthur working as a chemist at Ace Chemicals and getting fired from there to give us SOME hope of his clever chemical warfare version, but noooOOoooooOOO...
@@phousefilms Ha Ha. Yeah, would have worked well.
Yeah, author fleck had NO criminal masterminding elements. The guys who planned his escape are more joker criminal masterminds.
It's one of the biggest thing that make him formidable.
Fwuffycodbunny yea he is, he’s arguably as smart as bat man. You must no nothing about the joker, have you never watched any animation or seen the Dark Knight. The joker wins in the Dark Knight after Turning Harvey Dent into Two Face.
bruh since when did Joker origin show his mastermind elements, don’t come at me with the fuck of killing joke because joker specifically states that he sometimes remembers it other ways, sometimes other. The Killing Joke is ONE of the ways he remembers it.
Fwuffycodbunny harley quinn was only it the animated series and only became part of the comics in the 90’s. Also no Joker doesn’t care about Harley he’s super abusive. Also in the comics there are different versions like Golden Age Joker, Bronze Age Joker, etc.
TheFerBoi 1 how are we supposed to tell you if you count his origin as non-canon?? Wtf
Bitch this isnt Batman also he didn't think of a escape plan when he steals his mother's plan he had a plan of where to hide but when he met Murray he didn't think of a escape plan because he thought he was gonna kill himself and when he killed Murray he didn't think of a escape plan also this guy also says that Batman is the greatest detective but his files say he's not Arthur and he was abandoned in his early days so that makes his identity unknown he also said that Jared Leto's joker is best but the costume is shit and his laugh is bullshit also this joker had bad acting so he's a bitch that only like violence pg13 bitch
THANK YOU FOR SAYING THAT! Every other review neglects the fact that this wasn't the joker at all. It was just a stupid person going crazy.
Lol😂
Wow the stupidity here is incredible
It was better than joker tbh
Do you even watch any films that have the joker in it? Or learn a little about comics? Because I'm guessing you don't since your comment is completely idiotic
I agree 100%!!!
When I saw this in theaters I felt the exact same way. I wasn't watch "Joker" I was watching a new age rehash of "Falling Down" with a joker title.
More like king of comedy and taxi driver
@@chartaiwan Yeah, this was 100% King of Comedy kind of smashed with Taxi Driver and some Fight Club. Deniro's part is such a rip off of King of Comedy I do not know how they were not sued. LOL
Imagine this Joker fights batman?No u can't.
Bcuz this joker will be fucking 60 when Batman dawns the coul
@@weelzneal4768 even if batman was the same age, batman would help him find help not fight him, this joker is not a mastermind wtf is he gonna do to batman, throw a shoe at him? 😅🤷♂️
@@Xander-86 ORIGIN STORY DUMBASS
joker never faught with batman thats why
@@hardmanfromamsterdam888 Exactly lol
You literally summed up exactly what I thought of this movie.
same. Not sure why all the downvotes for this video simply speaking the truth, but this Joker movie sucks just because it's called "Joker". It should just be called "Arthur".
@@ColinOfDaventry Ahhh great argument
@@ColinOfDaventry that name that name is already used in a movie called arthur in the 1980s also joker's origin is multiple choice I think most of the viewers except the ones defending joker are prob just kids who always want to see violence like the original avengers movie
Yo boy got smashed today
Exactly on point!! This was a guy who dressed up like a clown,, not the joker
It's called an origin story. There's also the theory that this joker is just a guy who inspires the "real" joker who will eventually go up against batman.
@@clayton7993 One of The Jokers 30000 origins, he likes to have some to choose from.
@@clayton7993 Yeah but do you believe he’s the kinda guy to hold Gotham hostage with a gas bomb just for a laugh? Or go hand to hand with Batman? He’s literally just an insane dude. The ending with the blood smile, thats not Joker there, thats a lunatic happy to be the center of attention for once.
I mean I like it more than Jared Leto
@@owlcircus6811 not yet he just started this movie isnt a full blown joker movie this is an origin story once shit starts going down he will go full batshit
You are 100% correct. This Joker couldn't hope to match wits with Batman.
Well seeing that batman is like 10 in this film I would like to disagree
ORIGIN STORY
I am glad to finally find someone on TH-cam who also thinks that The Joker was over-hyped. It was good, a DVD/Bluray viewing type of good, but it wasn't a profound movie that many are making it out to be. The disturbing thing with certain part of The Joker's fandom, particularly those who dwell in nihilism for entertainment, they are numb the cruelty that The Joker inflicted on the innocents. The movie is great as a character study, but to praise it for the justification for its cruelty is simply weird.
And now it's getting loads of Oscar nominations... It's Black Panther all over again.
@@odgarig8601 At least Black Panther had some good actions and a reasonably plausible plot. However, I know where you're coming from.
I thought it was a terrible movie.....the PC stuff really ruined it. I think Joaquin Phoenix could have made a decent joker but they utterly ruined the character. It's like the person who wrote/directed the movie has never seen a Batman movie or had any knowledge of the comics.
Twisted86 but... what does this have to do with Batman? This movie is about how the Joker came to be. How he started out, before becoming the crazy king of madness. It’s supposed to be a sad movie, because watching a man spiral into darkness is a scary thing. He’s not even in his prime lol Heath Ledger is the Prime Joker. Phoenix just portrayed how it all started. It’s not the same thing
@@MM-ly7cm You ever see his origin story? It's nothing like this, this isn't sad, it's just pathetically lazy. The joker was always a brilliant villain, he was far from the pathetic loser portrayed in this movie, I just believe they could have done a far better job with actual knowledge of the universe they are taking this from.
I'm glad someone said it. I couldn't even make it through the whole movie.
It was bs
@@captainaryan26 It was. The acting was great but the storyline was shit, it just seems to me that they went off the reservation with what the Joker is supposed to be about.
I disagree but I do respect your opinion and you do have good points
I had zero interest in the first place.
@@quicktoreason2722 Well so many people think he is
I see it as an "Elseworlds" story like those types of comics DC would do, it doesn't have to line up with the style of Joker everyone expects/wants, it's just another take on the classic character.
is their a version of a dumb joker I don't know about? because outside of this movie, I've never seen one
@@I_Dont_Do_Anal he didnt mean it that way. Take this movie AS a comic
@@csajegyember6179 even still, this is not a good joker. I don't care if you change the costume, the setting (to some extent), or the colour, if your character is supposed to be the joker I expect an evil genius not a socially inept wannabe
@@I_Dont_Do_Anal i mean these are just his origins. He can become more genius in the future or inspire someone smarter than him to become the Joker.
@@csajegyember6179 does this guy strike you as someone who is street smart or is willing to spend his days reading? no. so why are we to give the benefit of the doubt to him by saying "hurr it's just an origin story"? you see how people lambasted venom for not being a true quality version of venom even though it was supposedly only an origin story? why does this get a pass? be consistent people, is all I'm saying
When I saw the trailer, I said to my husband I thought it was odd that they’re going to make him just a beaten down man because Joker is supposed to be a criminal mastermind. I did enjoy it though but I knew what I was in store for.
Joker wasnt born as a criminal mastermind ans this is an origin.
csaj egy ember But he should have some semblance of a man who will become the character we know. I agree that I don’t see this character becoming that man. I loved the movie but the this story was stand alone. This Joker is almost 40 years old. I don’t even know that he’ll have time to become the character we know.
@Miss Priss He had plenty of traits of that man, not really considered but he was actually very smart.
@@openthedoor4123 he really wasnt that smart. What says he is smart?
Joker is insanely smart. He is the kind of guy that will ask an unwilling person a big favor and when that person says no. He would reveal that person's mothers teeth saying how he visited her swaying his victims choice.
@@fieryeurochick3194 umm, no it doesn't, and it doesn't need to. The joker that you know, and I'm guessing you don't read the comics or at least haven't read The Killing Joke, Joker doesn't start off as a criminal master mind. The only joker you seem to be familiar with, is one that is already established. This isn't a Batman movie, this isn't Heath ledger where he's already established, this is an origin movie. You and the original poster of this movie, don't know how to watch this movie correctly.
I always imagined a gruesome origin story for joker. You know like him as kid being a freak in school, stomping rats, laughing at evil stuff, burning down the school/orphanage, and an orphan without a NAME, murdering just for the prank and getting away with them as a smart kid. Raising hell everywhere, being increasingly obsessed and lunatic about this pointless things for "fun", making enemies just to trample them. Then this reaches its peak when he grows up and finds Batman. Then the story could go into the love-hate relationship between them, why it all matters to the Joker. You know like Joker watching Bruce since he was a kid with hatred, seeing something similar in Batman. This movie gets NOTHING right about a freak like Joker one would imagine.
I made a video saying Patrick Bateman from Amrican Psycho was a perfect Joker origin story. Check it out.
@@whatisantilogic138 imo someone like Saul Goodman would be a better pick to base a Joker origin story on, since both are flamboyant and manipulative and always cutting corners in life
I agree with this analysis. He made a lot of points i was thinking while watching the movie.
Felt like a movie about some random guy and they called it Joker purely for the name recognition.
Bingo 👍
Blaise It wasn’t supposed to be the joker that we all know. The point of it was to show that any person can be driven mad and become a supervillain.
TheJustJoshing no, they made a good movie about mental illness and society then slapped the joker name and make up on it to make more money.
Francis Fazio I understand why you think that
If you think that Arthur Fleck is the one who inspires the Joker, doesnt become Joker himself, it would make more sense, because Arthur is alot older than Bruce, also even he had changed through times, he seemed a bit unlikely to become a criminal mastermind like Joker.
Sorry but I don’t like the new joker
They made him weak
Even in the comics joker was not weak
If you disagree that’s ok I respect that
I personally think it's stupid they try and make us sympathize with him
Just a regular dude. Slow movie. Was never a villain who takes over the city.
You didn't watched the movie.
Gellert_ TV Apparently neither did you
@@delduvall Uh, yes he did see the movie. Joker definitely takes over the city at the end. His supporters pull him onto the crashed police car and he dances around them. We just don't see what he does with that because it was right at the end.
Gratowl I guess I was the only one who watched the scene after that then 🤷♂️
Origin story
Man, you hit the nail on the head. I have been trying to tell people this for months and they look at me like I'm crazy. The name of this movie should have been Arthur because I still haven't seen the Joker in this movie. If people want to suspend their belief and think that he could one-day rival Batman then have at it, but nothing in this movie even remotely hints at him having the mental capacity to do so.
This movie sucked and you're right about that not being the joker. What got me was the Joker's power, to me, is being complete unaffected by anything. You can hit him, arrest him, insult him, nothing gets through. Even when you think you're getting him it's a part of his plan. This guy was an emotional marshmellow. Everything got to him, even not getting to make pedo faces at someone's kid he didn't know on a bus effected him emotionally. I know they were trying to show all the 'bad stuff' that happened that caused him to 'snap', but we saw the snap and he still ended up being a dumber less interesting self loathing loser. Like you said, stepping outside of the movie how does this guy end up being an arch-manipulator or develop the ability to test philosophy and ethics when he can't even take care of himself without his mom lol. This guy couldn't even break out of a bus and I'm supposed to believed he'll break out of Arkum over and over.
When those detectives were chasing him he caused a fight on that train in order to avoid them. The character does seem quite clever in my opinion.
this movie doesn't deserve the title joker. should be called "the clown"
Feel like both of you are
That's exactly how I felt after seeing it this film is the joke lol
@@connorhuzco-hall5384 it's like orgin story equates to the characters being op straight away, the origt origin story in actuality was actually shite
@@connorhuzco-hall5384 yeah because they called it Joker and every wasted there money thinking they were going to get an ACTUAL Joker movie it was scam nothing more
@@tylerking2703 Jesus man it's like you can't accept in an origin story can't be all flashy, you kinda suck
I’m with you. It seems clear to me that this was a pre-existing screenplay that they jammed some Batverse stuff in. And that movie was much better when it was “Taxi Driver.”
This one was sad and dull - as dull as that dingy cinematography.
This is exactly what I'm saying.
haha
Same
I was waiting for the mohawk.
Black Panther was a copy paste of Lion King ...
If you've ever seen Taxi Driver or The King of Comedy then you'd see this movie is average at best.
@Starwars Fan360 I didn't like it. It was the wrong direction to take for this movie in my opinion. Glad you enjoyed it though.
I too thought this movie was overhyped. After seeing the Dark Knight, nothing can compare.
Its a complete different story and idea of a movie lmao
Dark knight is garbage
Yeah the new joker is predictable
@@V_For_Vigilante Lol, why? Its a very unpopular opinion, so Im curious why you think that TDK sucks.
@@cardmaster8772 he is either joking or he's a hypocrite
Preach, man! The film was not a Joker movie. It missed the chaos, savviness, and mystery of the character.
Exactly! This WASN'T the Joker. Just some sad clown.
@@hazmen8312 yo joker got 11 oscar noms, that means its good and i have 1 billion reasons why u are wrong about this film, joker is good because everyone who watched that movie has been in his position atleast once, many people who saw the film started saying they would start being nice with everyone,the message of this film is to care for people who have problems not mock them, its not a fun action movie like marvel movies, rdj for oscar? what a fuckin joke, lmao endgame got 1 oscar nom, remember when disney put a 'for your consideration' for oscar nominations lol
Salman Khan the Oscars are biased as fuck most of the times the movies that win aren’t that good
I agree here 1000%!!!!
Just some sick pathetic clown.
Dhjenddhdk but Phoenix’s acting was definitely phenomenal. Very Oscar worthy, so. I dunno what you’re talking about lol
Batman would kill this version of the joker in 5 mins
I disagree with your opinion
And thats ok 👍
Woke Facts
A mature disagreement on TH-cam?!
@Niŋin turdl已 I know, I want to see people ripping each other a part, not something civil!
After I saw this video l became convinced, the joker is overrated. It’s just about an idiot.
@@thiccviener825 it really is over hyped, I would've wrote a better story while taking a long sh*t while drinking coffee at the same time, that's how great ideas come to light 😐
Not even half way through your video yet, but I agree with every point you've made so far. My friends all said they loved the movie when we got out of the theatre, and I was baffled - I thought it was obvious how bad this movie was. I thought it was both boring and uncomfortable to watch, which made the whole ordeal painful. My biggest gripe was - like you said - they completely messed up the Joker's character. I'm all for creativity and thinking outside the box, but to me the Joker is smart, cunning - almost confident, in a way - and definitely nothing like the movie's Joker. It all just felt like a missed opportunity. There's no way this Joker would be able to take over Gotham.
Anyway, rant over. Keep up the good work!
@Wernher von Braun This is not a JOKER MOVIE!
Everything wrong with this movie:
- Lazy story
- Slow pacing
- Arthur kills people bc of feelings; the real joker killed either bc he enjoyed it or to toy with batman
- Arthur is a weak, depressed 40 y o Mamas boy; the real joker is a witty mastermind with a skillset.
- Every character except for Arthur is trash.
I'm right. Fight me.
Bruh thats what happens when you go in expecting something different.
I also didnt like it at first , but then i rewatched it without a pre determined expectation and now i love it.
So true...
I think y’all went in it expected the criminal mastermind psychopath joker which as of right not isn’t the type of joker he is
@@ChrisJones-oy4xu I mean...they changed him beyond recognition. The character is literally called the joker yet the guy in the movie cant even make a single joke...because hes a failed comedian. You cant make this stuff up. Besides, Im not sure this joker is competent to stand up to batman, he'll just start peeing himself cus he a wimp.
I think this joker movie was really just meant to be a standalone story that doesn’t integrate into a greater DC universe. If this was meant to the the jump off point into the next DC chapter it’s a major fail. But if this is a story about a guy who becomes the joker and that’s all- it’s crazy good.
Phoenix did an absolutely amazing performance for sure. But the writing is totally off. They should have gone for a more "Good Will Hunting" type story
Agree 100%! It's the writing. His acting was brilliant but his lines are lacking.
Something about this movie was off, cant explain it. Didn't like it though.
The performance and the score CARRIED this movie. Everything else was alright though for me.
Baba Yaga exactly how I feel about the movie too. Look at it this way. The Godfather was Micheal Corleone’s origin story and that movie had way more going on.
In the killing joke, joker didn't start as a criminal mastermind. He had to get stepped on and pushed around until he hit the acid. And even after leaving the acid he doesn't just become a criminal mastermind. He had to work his way up and figure it out until the time Batman started doing what he does AND THEN the joker starts unleashing what he's learned. This isn't the joker we know. It's just the beginnings of a joker we may eventually know
Thank you! Arthur becomes The Joker by the end in his mindset, and he's perfectly poised to turn his now villainous mindset into a supervillain; but that takes time. Another movie would make the transition seemless.
I also would hate if they tried to pull some: "he's not the Joker, but is the InSpIrAtIoN for the Joker", because that would just invalidate Arthur's journey; and it would gatekeep The Joker as like this: "mythological figure", when we've already seen, and accepted, ridiculous portrayals of the character.
Good analysis and critique. I ultimately feel like this movie is essentially Taxi Driver with Joaquin Phoenix playing the joker. It seems like they're trying too hard to make it THE story of how the joker went over the edge when the psychology is wrong...the Joker is not a mentally ill, awkward, and dumb villain. At the end of this movie, could anyone be convinced of his diabolical genius? He's supposed to be Jesse James, not robert de niro in Taxi Driver. Society didnt push the joker into being a villain...the joker makes this choice because he WANTS to do that. I wanted to see why he would make that choice but i got a political statement about the ills of society instead.
That being said, Joaquin phoenix is indeed a great actor haha.
You watch him being extremely awkward for basically an hour and I cringed so hard that it hurt. I very much disliked Joker.
Ok kid
Gellert_ TV the film is lame as hell lol.
@@GellertTV ok kid
thaistomp it really wasn’t. y’all just wanted some unrealistic exaggerated ass bullshit lol.
Jacky Bars you do realize checking for weapons only really was a thing after 9/11, outside of certain things like meeting the president
This aged well.
Bruh, you said everything I said almost word for word
You're right. It's not THE joker. He's just the catalyst that becomes an inspiration for the joker that becomes Batman's arch nemesis.
That's a theory
csaj egy ember I really.. REALLY...
Doubt that Batman's nemesis is going to be some 60yrs+ old man that's been sitting in Arkham Asylum or even escaped.
That just dosen't make much sense.
@@csajegyember6179 A MOVIE THEORY
@@t-0096 lol
@@millennial_weeb2382 who knows maybe in this world Joker really is an old guy. In Batman 1989 Joker was like in his 30s and Bruce was in his 10s when he killed his parents.
Holy crap thank god I thought I was the only one who hated it
nah bruh, i don’t like it too
“ThE gOvERnMeNt CaNceLleD mY fReE tHErApY seSiOnS, i’M sO sAd noW😭😭”
This is literally the entire premise of Joaquin Phoenix’s joker.
@@uncleiroh7911 not just that. Todd phillips wanted to make a “real movie” not a comic book one. Pretty much saying all comic books films aren’t actual films. no one would’ve seen it if this wass called arther so they slapped the Joker IP on it to sell tickets and fill seats and it worked so credit to him. But people calling this the best comic book film ever either never seen nolan’s stuff or the raimi or x-men trilogy or just thinks the MCU and DCEU stuff isn’t good which it’s great to me. I saw cinema sins make. funny comment when phoenix started dancing and said “so is this what has to happen in a film for it to be considered cinema unlike avengers endgame” and i started DYINGGG
I have watched this movie 5 times and I've sat and thought about it more times than I can actually remember, each time I watch it I try to see it in another perspective which only leaves me more confused than the last time I watched it.
The "Joker" in this movie has none of the traits that we know and love the character for, no intelligence, no charisma, no leadership qualities. We are meant to believe that this character can take on Gotham and it's Dark Knight, but it seems that the city of Gotham has defeated him, truth be told. And are we to believe (as Todd Philip's as said) that Arthur is only making way for the real joker to be inspired by him? It makes no sense to me, possibly explains the meeting between arthur and Bruce during the movie which I personally don't buy for a minute, it just opens up the theory that someone nearer to Bruce's age (bare in mind Arthur is around 35yrs old) is waiting in the wings to be a copycat joker?
To sum it up after watching this movie time and time again trying to understand it, it seems to just focus on mental health issues and they've just thrown a clown in the mix and called it joker. Still on the brighter side Heath Ledgers Crown remains in tact, his Joker was legendary also we have a new Batman movie let's hope and pray it's not wish wash of ideas like this Joke of a movie. The one statement that seems to stick with this movie is the line "You wouldn't get it" and I don't...
Well said. This is just a movie about a guy with serious mental and emotional problems, and he does not possess the intelligence, charisma, or leadership skills to be able to transform into the Joker.
That's because, and I mentioned more in another comment, this isn't about Joker as a *man* - but the Joker as a *concept* that questions the systemic inequality in our modern American society, and critiques it. It says "there can't actually be a Joker, the Joker is instead the social phenomenon that Batman fights against, and fights to understand, because it's also a part of who he is."
@@RBEmpathy yeah rite, and why call it 'Joker' then? if it has almost Zero to do with real Joker? oh i tell you why, just to destroy the real cool and awesome of a character that real joker is. with its charisma chaos and coolness. but just to say - 'hes just a complete loser that just have some mental problems'
@@pavliv I disagree that it ruins the character.. as a meta commentary on social issues and group psychology, I felt it was a pretty genius effort to understand how economic and social issues can cultivate a terrorist or instigate social unrest in a community.
Joker is still a good character in the movie, just a more vulnerable and less intelligent one.
That's because it isn't meant to be about the Joker we know. If I remember correctly it was stated that this was a standalone, outside of normal DC universe and stuff. I really didn't watch this expecting the Joker we already know.
Basically....a movie about a Joker cosplayer....I think I will skip it
Why watch an in depth theory video on a movie you havnt seen?
James Branam
I’m assuming he’s a DC fan or maybe she or he just likes superhero’s or supervillains
I loved the movie and all, it's just most of the fanboys that praise this movie to be the best movie ever made (which is an incredible lie) that make me not want to be near this movie.
totally agree. good job summarizing exactly how I felt.
They did 15 movies about the joker and we still have gotten a riddler movie... Jim Carey was the best Gotham super villain 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥😅💯
I agree with you. I'm thinking this movie was just the origin story of HOW he became the joker. In the next movie I'm hoping we get to see full on joker in his prime.
I thought he imagined everything when they showed him talking to the psychiatrist at the end of the movie. I thought he was in the psyche ward the whole time imagining everything.
🤔. 👍 👏
That’s actually a pretty good twist that I didn’t think about
even if that's the case, the movie failed if it fails to convey that to the audience.
@@avi4francis good point
@@avi4francis "even if that is the case". Fool, read my whole statement. I started with "I thought". My opinion and theory. I didn't state that my opinion is in line with the writers and director.
This really isnt joker.
But it's still pretty good.
It made me uncomfortable, which is most definitely the goal, but I just cant handle the uncomfortableness.
My favourite scenes were when the Joker movement started building up.
"People are starting to notice" was a really good line.
Villains aren't supposed to be noticed
@@jigniishvids9181 What preschool train of thought does this little idea of yours come from?
@@snakeyman5560 I just thought every villain not including emperors,space-conquereros and high-egotistal villains, should'nt really be noticed as a villain needs to be defeated by a hero and if the villain is not known by the public it would make it harder for the hero to find out who they are,now I'm not saying their alter-ego citizen personas should'nt be recognized because that'd just be a green goblin/lex luthor story and those are good.And if the villain's alter ego is popular it'd be really tricky for the hero and in lots of occasions the hero could be seen as a menace.If you count henchmen and mercenaries like the joker's henchmen from the animated series or the mercenaries vilgax hired from ben 10 , then yes they can be noticed and that'd become a story where if the villain's identity is still unknown to the hero he would have to find a way to negotiate with the mercenary and specifically the mercenary since henchmen would'nt really be a go-to storyline for this type of "find out the villains identitiy" storyline and together with that the hero would also have a couple of issues trusting the mercenary.
This is all I have said.Thank you.
@@jigniishvids9181 I thought you were a troll... I apologize for my previous comment.
@@jigniishvids9181 I'll come back to you with a genuine response deserving of your well written comment in a bit.
POV: You are here to validate yourself that you weren't crazy in thinking the movie sucked.
Or maybe, and just stick with me here, it's only made by DC and wasn't made to be part of some new Canon...
It isnt
Thank goodness it isnt
I’ve heard it argued that Arthur is so medicated during the movie that we don’t know how intelligent he really is.
Let em get fully off the meds and see.
It's an interesting perspective to say the least, I think part of me thought this aswell.
But i'd prefer this Joker be an Inspiration to the real Joker due to the gap in age between Bruce & the Joker.
The problem with this point of view is that there's nothing in the movie to show it , it would be nice if there was a hint of intelligence, I mean him building a gadget or messing around with chemistry, hell even a line about how he used to be so smart would have made this more legit.
Jeffrey McConnell yeah I think this Batman universe is gonna be very grounded. No laughing gas, utility belts, bat planes, etc.
We was off the meds.. remember they cut funding to mental health department?
XBOXandBDSM Arthur spent most of the film medicated.
He appeared to become more self assured and confident after the drugs were cut off toward the end.
This is just the beginning of the Joker character.
Joaquin Phoenixs back must hurt from carrying this movie.
I'm openly voicing my opinion: this movie is NOT GREAT at all. I didn't like it. My true opinion.
To each their own.
Pls explain
@@wavezz2038 Please read all my comments that explains how this Joker movie is garbage.
@@tonyfendex2558 one of the comments is exactly the same as this one, all you say is that it's bad, another has nothing to do with joker, and the third you deleted. Just explain rn.
@@wavezz2038 Sorry that you MISSED IT!!!
"It's not a bad movie, it's just a bad Joker movie" I'm glad somebody said it
Agree with everything except for one thing... you said the movie is good, it's not. Acting and cinematography are good but the writing is barbaric and cringeworthy. Film vomits it's "themes" in your face and leaves no subtlety or cleverness in it's approach. On top of all this it botches it's main character and now mainstream audiences believe this to be an accurate portrayal doing a great injustice to a master crafted villain. A very amateur film made by a very mediocre director.
Not only great injustice to a master crafted villain, but also horrible, horrible injustice to the whole psychiatry by yet again showing the stigma that personality dissorder leads to violent behaviour. The writing is really horrible.
I totally agree with almost all of that! I think Todd Phillips is a decent director, but that he should stick to comedies (I enjoyed Hangovers 1 and 3. 2 shouldn't have been made).
Director said he wanted to remake Taxi Driver but no studio wanted to give him funding for it. Since anti hero movies like dead pool showed that people like anti heroes and this director was like ok I want to remake Taxi Driver but no studio's want's that so I'll just slap joker's name on the same script and just add in the clown/joker parts. This is why it doesn't feel like a joker movie because it's actually just a remake of Taxi Driver. This also explains the low IQ which goes against the type of villain joker is being a mastermind archetype but fits inline with the lead in Taxi Driver. That's why it makes an awful joker origin movie because it has nothing to do with any of the joker's origin stories or theories that are already out there.
Yeah, that's spot on. It doesn't feel like a Joker movie because the writers didn't actually want it to be a Joker movie. They just called it Joker for more publicity and attention. That's why it doesn't feel like The Joker we all know and love.
@@YearsOVDecay1 so you gonna believe anything written on comment section?
@J. Jonah Jameson name one Remake thats exactly like the original. . .
@J. Jonah Jameson Jodi Foster isnt into you my dude and Reagan is dead already. It clearly IS trying to be that mixed in with DeathWish and a couple other movies of that time and ilk.
Thank you! I was so mad that this movie got such great press at the Oscars (2020). I honestly dozed off a couple of times, because of my level of boredom.
Hell, even Jared Leto was a more convincing Joker than this Fleck guy. My two fave Jokers are Nicholson and Ledger, because they literally were the Joker as he should be.
01:28 That Jokers mouth was moving when you talk
🤣🤣
I've been saying this....
Which pissed me off. Hell they could of played this off as a Zazz movie and you wouldn't know the difference.
It's a good movie. Just not a good joker movie.
Thanks, you rlly summarized the vid. 😅
i dont even know why the hell did they tried to make this a movie from a comic book. i didnt even see any dc logo at the beginnig it was a literal WB movie.
it wouldnt be a long shot, if i have to make a guess like, they named the movie as joker only for the popularity of the character plus the enormous place that the comic book movies has gained in our time.
they could easily do the same movie only by changing the names
gotham = new york
bruce = timothy
wayne = silverbottom
@@barisbal7782 yeah it felt like they had the script ready beforehand and tacked the joker title on it because they knew it would sell.
And I thought I'm the only person who don't like the joker movie
@George Adept nothing, but joker is a shitty, mediocore, overrated, overhyped film.
@@captainaryan26 nah u just don’t like good movies
This movie felt like a giant middle finger for comic fans. It took the realistic stuff from the dark knight’s joker and threw all the comic accurate stuff away. You know what I mean? This movie feels like someone has only seen the dark knight and takes all the new aspects of that joker. Heath Ledger was a great Joker because Nolan understood the original character while adding a little bit of realism.
WhatisAntiLogic?: “How is this a Joker movie?”
Joker: “You wouldn’t get it...”
*cue Frank Sinatra’s “That’s Life”*
Eh, I kind of agree with him, which bums me out.
@FantasticFrank85 LMFAO, well said.
This is single handedly the worst comment I've ever seen.
@FantasticFrank85 Haha your kidding right it's not a difficult movie to understand and interpret it's straightforward movie at. Anyone who think it's complex used to watching modern garbage films. Go watch Primer or 2001 A Space Odyssey which truly complex movies.
Joker just a remake of Kings of Comedy and Taxi Driver with little elements of Joker. Yes I know about these films way before Joker.
@@johnhenrey6009 I know....Isn't beautiful : ) ?
It should have been a way more intense moment between him and the host before he killed him. It's like they just wasted a whole Robert de Niro!
Just out of curiosity how would you personally make the scene between Phoenix and DeNiro more intense? Not trying to shit on your comment I'm just curious how you would do the scene.
@@tonee2es223 It was more awkward than intense. You knew what was about to happen, but instead of make Robert's character feel intimidated, it made the scene between he and Phoenix feel forcibly awkward.
"Hey, everybody. I just admitted to being the person whose killed 3 people, and being the same guy law enforcement is looking for. Don't worry though, the late night talk show host and I will continue this conversation in front of you all as if nothing happened."
Tell Me Something Robert de Niro‘s character is supposed to represent how society views Arthur’s character
@@tonee2es223It's the fact that anybody could have played this character. They should have made him deeper and more raw. I didn't care if he lived or died. Make me care, make love him or hate him or something! You know
@@bigmiki2620 Society's view? If I killed someone in front of you, or admitted to the accusation, you'd react by trying to have an argument with me? Me, the said *killer?* That's how *society* would act? I think most would scatter like roaches. I get that people love Joker's character, but *his* character, or the making of his character was poorly portrayed in the film. I have no problem not seeing the film again after the first time. I feel like adding Joker's name to the film is the only thing that sold the movie, but unfortunately I wouldn't say it was a Joker film. Pheonix is a great actor tho.
This is the incels joker they loved him
‘ Incel’ Lmao the most immature thing I’ve heard
@@spookyhours607 that's your immature opinion
Devon Jenkins you’re just like one of those alt girls that say that a movie that has a rated r character is an incel like grow up girl
@@spookyhours607 im guessing you could relate to the character so much that you're taking my comment as a personal attack..
@@devonjenkins6829 no Lmao I’m just stating my opinion. Y’all find everything weird like grow up and stop wining about it. Just move on from the character and movie and we good smh.
This film was flat-out unenjoyable
Yeah agree dumbass
Didn’t like the movie either it felt flat really.
@@Innersanctum_ Endgame was trash too lmao
I liked it but it definitely wasn’t some legendary experience or anything it was hyped up to be lmao. It was just okay to me.
Yeah I had mixed feelings when I first watched it. Rented it when it came out and watched it again, and I just didn't like it, except the third act.
Arthur was terrifying because he wasn't outwardly scary.
a grown man terrified of a fictional character. congrats!
Kevin Murphy lol I know men shouldn’t be afraid of things haha what a bitch not like us tough guys haha
@@wildeirishpoet He's not actually terrified of him. Are you really that stupid?
Kevin Murphy lol dude I was making fun of you and you liked my reply, very smart
He was hardly a threat he was flat out just trying to evade 2 detectives
Just watched it. It’s definitely not as good as a lot of make out to look. I was honestly mostly bored throughout most of it.
I never felt like I was watching thee Joker on screen. Like Jack Nicholson, Heath Ledger, Cameron Monaghan, and hell, I think Jared Leto played a better Joker.
This one was more like a crazy dude who just called himself the Joker. I also didn’t like that it didn’t look nor feel it was taking place on Gotham City, but just in 1970s NYC.
Did you really just say ledgers laugh wasn't that good? DID YOU REALLY JUST SAY...
When he falls of the building, that was a great laugh.
@@csajegyember6179 All of his laughs are great get your memory checked he literally does that same laugh throughout the whole movie.
@@alexfoster5285 ohm no. At the beggining its loud and sometimes it gets slow and deep.
@@csajegyember6179 Bro what. The fuck. Are you talking about. Rewatch it.
I thought the laughs he did in the video scene and the interrogation scene was fantastic, and really creepy
the movie coulda been named smile not tying itself to the joker lore and i probably woulda have enjoyed the film more
Straight up man.
It is the joker movie
OH MY GOD, YES.
I am SO glad I am not alone in this. It has been 5 years since that atrocity came out and my god, does it effin' suck. It makes no sense and it is in no way, shape or form a Joker movie. It has nothing to do with the Joker, the Batman or anything else in the slightest.
It is just some mentally ill guy. Which, like, okay? Good for you? You made a movie about a mentally ill guy who gets abused and neglected by everyone around him because he's weird and different and socially awkward. But that's not the Joker.
There was nothing that could have been in any way connected to the Joker. Artur is stoopid, the Joker is incredibly smart. He's weird, but not Joker type of weird. He's not cunning. He's not competent. He's not charismatic. He's not well versed and linguistically gifted. He's just a mentally ill guy with Tourettes. And even that doesn't seem like Tourettes, which looks very different from what you can see people who have it are like, but I won't comment in that much due to my lack of knowledge.
If someone took you to see this movie and they never told you what movie it is, they never showed you the poster for it, you never had any mention of the Joker and the movie wasn't allowed to show the movie name anywhere or mention Gotham, NO ONE would EVER think for a second that this was a movie about the Joker. What they would see is a guy who's not all there, who gets abused his whole life and he decides he has had enough. He genuinely just wanted love and attention, but never got it. So he takes matters into his own hands and the movie ends. What you learn is basically not to be an a-hole to others, because you never know what thex are going through and they don't deserve to be treated badly. Be kind is the message. Cool. That is what the movie should have been, not this.
A little side note. Arthur is also a bit of an a-hole who thinks he's better than everyone else and that he is a misunderstood genius who never had the chance to be famous, because people don't understand his brilliance, which is actually just stupidity and a lack of self awareness. That is why I wasn't that sympathetic for him, except for the parts where he was beaten and abused needlessly.
I understand your point AngryJoe also has it but basically, in a different story I don't think it's fair to compare it with other superhero movies, anyway good to see you are still uploading video man
Honestly I'm disappointed . I expected more from the movie . It wasn't bad . But, definitely not a masterpiece.
This movie was so obnoxious that I couldn't watch it past 20 minutes...
Joker Is one of my favorite characters..... I didn't see this movie, I just never felt like it was a real joker film....
Your intuition was correct. The character in this movie has an IQ that is well-below average, no charisma, no ability to be a criminal mastermind (let alone any kind of mastermind), and no leadership skills. It's basically a dark movie about someone suffering from mental health issues, and they've called it "Joker" even though the character is so far from possessing any of the characteristics of the Joker. Even the real Joker's laugh is meant to be sadistic, but this character does it when he feels uncomfortable because of an uncontrollable psychological condition.
Why you don’t like it is because the joker is much more realistic!! The mental health is on point ! There is reason! There is society! And there is a realistic joker who is oppressed!, and want revenge for it!. Nowadays when someone kills people they never get away with it !, it’s not a retarded mastermind clown guy that you see on DC! It FUCKING REALISTIC!!! There is no super power! Except fucking rage!! That’s why we like it ! Thats what makes it real!. All you want is him to do some bombshell trap home alone bullshit ! And ofc u like the suicidal squad joker
@Ali Shabbiri pls shutup..with that shit. All humans get oppressed in different ways. Don’t give a fuck if his white , black, blue or green! He is suffering from disorders, anxiety, laughing syndrome, and abused. So it should be over hyped
@Ali Shabbiri :) if u don’t have any other reason why this movie is bad, just fuck off❤️
@Ali Shabbiri have u heard about an actual human being going through chronic mental illness 🤡
I felt sorry for THIS Joker...
Real Joker is not a relatable character. This joker instantly became "Literally me" character for abused people.
This isn't a "Joker" movie, but an Elseworlds Joker movie.
I went into this movie thinking that too, but I can't say Elseworlds and chuck away my feels this is just a guy in clown make up who thinks society is bad. Plus I don't feel like we can use this as an excuse or rebuttal if the director didn't intend for that (I doubt Todd Phillips even know what Elseworlds is).
legend 4 life it’s a great excuse actually
I agree with everything hes saying this joker was a lifetime movie
Lol @ the accuracy
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love your videos, amazing perspective on so many movies. With this one I had a different view personally (I know you have a follow up) I feel jokers joke is exactly what you said.. It's all a lie he's telling the doctor in the final scene. The shift in camera colour/style shows that either the entire film or the final interview scene exist and the other does not. I took the joke to be the entire story was a lie, it did not reflect in any way what his back story was, the shot of Wayne's murder shows he was there and has a memory of it, and his slaughter of the doctor shows his actual evil side. The joke was that she had sat listening to the story taking it at face value. Who knows though, you're watching stuff on a whole different level to me. Thanks for putting all this great content up
You're review is phenomenal!
It embodies everything how I felt from watching the movie. You gave it credit where it was due but also really catch the most glaring point of who inferior and incompetent he is. He never rose to display intellect
So it begs the question... Why is everyone overlooking that? Why is no one catching how much of a simpleton he is? I'm curious.
1) Sympathy. 2) Phoenix's acting performance. 3) Grimdark movie about a mentally disabled character in a city of rude, classist people. 4) Phillips confused Joker's mental condition, because it's vague in the original comics. He thinks Joker has intellectual disability, depression or schizophrenia (more sympathetic, like "Sling Blade," "Forrest Gump," "The Gardener," etc.) when he shows antisocial personality disorder, narcissism (most movie villains, especially serial killers in slasher flicks) and Science-Related Mimetic Disorder (mad scientists' condition). All that tends to bias and distract the viewers from Joker's non-canon mental incompetence and social awkwardness. His comic book condition would have made the movie look like Scarface-meets-Saw, with Bond villain tech. To set him up as an archenemy of Batman, he would have to be a teenager, perhaps a creepy child prodigy and delinquent, with gadgets made of junk. It would better fit the love child of Thomas Wayne theory. To prove his mother was stalking Thomas, scenes of her watching and following him and Thomas and Martha getting love letters and crank calls from Penny Fleck, some CGI hallucination scenes and security escorting her out of Wayne Manor would be needed. Dream sequences resembling erotic thriller love scenes would show Penny's delusions. The Flecks knew where the Waynes lived, so adult Arthur would have confronted Thomas sooner than at 37 and would have demanded child support, a trust fund and his inheritance. He would have used his advanced technology to get past any security Wayne had. This Joker planned capers since high school, so after losing his clown job and bombing at the comedy club, he would have pulled a bank heist, like the Dark Knight version, with his cult following. He would have planned and led the riot, of course.