They Outdid Themselves With This Amp
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Electro-Harmonix is a legendary brand in the music world, and they've brought back an iconic amp from the 80' and 90's, the Mig 50. Based on the Sovtek Mig 50, this amp punches well above its weight, but its not without its faults.
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0:00 Intro
0:28 First Play
1:03 What Is The Mig 50?
3:10 Marshall Cab and Mic Choice
6:03 Playing The Mig 50
7:28 Amp Course Plug
7:46 Channel 2 vs Channel 1
9:10 Whats Wrong With It?
10:11 Wrap Up - เพลง
I hope one day to be in a position where I would consider an $800 amp "not expensive".
and how much is the speaker cabinet?
lol yeah when I saw the title I was like "oh Rhett got a Katana" ...nope.
generally cheaper amps just are just throw aways if u play them all the time, so figure what 2 cheap amps will cost u and go from there
@@robertschultz4100cheaper amps are $400? That gets you into HRD territory. Guitar is just an expensive hobby and nothing better than decent is cheap.
Well, if you actually work and know how to save money to any extent $800 is not much, especially for a guitar amp. Anything under $500 is usually hot trash. Maybe get a new hobby.
Dudes, it‘s actually an reissue of a russian amp that was designed by an american, inspired by a british amp that copied an american amp, assembled in the US from chinese parts.
Don't forget it was recorded partly using a german microphone!
LMAO 🤣😅😂
There is a russian guy who claimed that he had designed the actual MIG amps, he is still making MIGs and other amps and they are xeven cheaper than the ehx ones.
@@b10buzz Tell me more!
@@nedim_guitar he made me a clone of 5e3 a couple years ago and was is as good as the original one, then I moved from Russia (obviously why) and didn’t had a chance to ask him to make a Bassman clone or a MIG. His name is Leonid Musaev, he lives in Saint Petersburg and told a story that he was contacted by Mike Matthews in the early 90s to
make a Marshall clone, Leonid made it but he didn’t have enough of production capacity to make the quantity Mike had asked for. So he prepared all the documentation, found the local contractors having 11$ from each MIG produced, but he said that later Mike (or his then girlfriend) contacted the contractor directly and removed the extra link in the form of Leonid. He still makes MIGs, legendary amp clones for 400ish USD per head and everything custom you could want from an amp.
I’ve always wanted a Sovtek but since Josh from JHS seems to own them all I’m glad EHX decided to start making these they sound amazing
@rhettshull 🙏🙏🙏 Awesome!!! Glad you were able to grab some tones that you dig. Run some drive pedals into it and hear it really roar!
For clarity on the switches, not cheaping out. They are nice Carling switches and are not cheap in any way. This style was prescribed to us by our testing house. The metal bats certainly have a better "feel" but there's no reason to believe they would have a higher probability of failure/breakage than the metal bat version.
Thanks!
Can confirm. The switches on my Mig 50 feel pretty solid.
You and Philip work really well together with the question/answer back and forth.
Because Josh Scott asked them to?
I love the combination of creative camera work and insightful gear review on this video man. Keep it coming!
I still have my Mig 50 I purchased brand new from a store I worked at back in 1998. With the matching 2/12 cab I paid $380 for both. Back then that was cheap for a 50 watt head. Glad to see them getting popular again.
Love this Geartalk segments you’re doing, Always cool to see a piece of gear I own manipulated by a different musician.
,,You Don't Need An Expensive Amp" You just need expensive cabinet
I agree with the mic choices and placement. Just got my first ribbon mic yesterday, and will soon be experimenting with that plus each of my condenser mics on a Celestion V30 and an Eminence Texas Heat 😁
Rhett, it looks like you're in a cave full of goodies. It's a vibe. Love the off camera questions and comments.
Rhett, this new video style from you is great. Just fucking great, 10/10 love the camera man talk especially
I, regretably, sold one of these a few months ago. I ran it through my Marshall 1960A 412. It sounded glorious. I needed the money, but I hope to grab another one eventually. I played through the second input with all of the dials at noon, per Josh Scott, and it ripped. Thanks for showcasing it.
I also threw an aftermarket SOVTEK badge on it, which I got from Rigs of Doom. Because, you know.
Awesome video. Some people probably think you're only into high end gear, but you cover everything. Great EQ tips. 👍
You and Rick always know how to inspire me to spend money, I swear! LOL I've been looking at 90's Sovteks for awhile now, but after watching this video, I pulled the trigger on a used EH Mig 50 from Reverb for under $600! Thanks Rhett!
You're always just one more amp or guitar away from having all the gear you'll ever need! LOL
@@ElevenProductionsIndy That’s what my wife says!
I had a Mig100H back when they were $300 brand new. Very clean, a great pedal platform but the “high gain” channel was very fizzy. I had it modified by Trace at Voodoo Amps which greatly improved it but I sold it to find another purchase. Not a big loss but like nearly all of my old gear I wish I still had it even though I wouldn’t likely use it much.
I always liked the Sovtek amps. I remember a few floating around the used gear shops. Now wish I’d have grabbed one. I’ll think about this head at Sweetwater. I need a shopping spree soon.
👍Nice way to test the eq. Often we default to starting at noon on each knob, but there is no technical justification for this. If anything, the most "neutral" eq setting on a passive tone stack is to turn all 3 knobs to "11" and use that as the starting point.
Sold a lot of the old Sovtek Migs in the '90s, great amps and great value for money, also the reiteration of the military green look Big Muff. Mike Matthews started the 'tube' movement again, such a good era !!
Oh man, just those first few chords sold me. Never checked this amp out before but now I want one.
Dude, when u hit that Zeplin lick at the start i knew it was a good amp. Thats all i needed to hear.
Man, I've been contemplating getting a mig 50 for a while now. It sounds great bud!!!!
I have the E-H 212 cab reissue in my home studio that I use with my Helix modeler. Another very good piece of equipment for not a lot of money (US$250 lightly used). Good stuff from E-H.
The real "secret" to using the MIg-50 is using a split-box or cable and going into both channels at the same time, and then balancing the overall EQ with the channel volumes, and then using it more as a clean "bassman" type pedal platform, in that regard it truly excells!
Live since 84, Peavey musician III with 6 band EQ and a Kustom Roll and Tuck 15x15 plus a MXR 10 band eq. only broke once, transformer blew. changed it myself. Just play and give the crowd of 20 to 14K A GREAT SHOW. Recording is a different beast.
Thank you for the steadier camera this time! BTW: Loving this series!
Definitely a nice amp. If going with an amp without an effects loop I still prefer a Dual Terror though. I've seen a bunch of used ones for about 500. Marshall Origin 50 head is another option at around 600 bucks new.
Love the questions and the simple explanations. Useful for a lay person who finds the engineering aspects interesting.
I used a Sovtek for a while. It was superb. Overheated and chewed valves if you used them loud (well mine did about every 9 months...) but a set of cheap Russian valves was not a lot when I was using it.
I got into pedal board amps awhile back and I love 'em. I've built 9 of them. Those Moorer Baby Bomb 30s are killer.
Life long Peavey fan here. I bought a 160w all tube Peavey Road Master way back in 2011 because someone told me it is a more affordable alternative to a Sunn Model T. Only paid 150 bux for it since it had a blown fuse. Replaced the fuse and that thing was pumping 160w of ear splitting goodness. I also have a Marshall MG10 that I put a speaker output on so I could actually plug it into a decent set of speakers and that god damn stupid little amp sounds amazing. I am now thoroughly convinced that there really isn't such a thing as a bad amp. Bad speakers and bad guitars, absolutely but if you take a cheap shitty little practice amp like an MG10 or a Line 6 and play it through a decent set of speakers with a decent guitar, it will probably sound pretty great.
Had a Peavey Duece - loved it!! Have a Peavey “Reknown”, have played it for 25 years. I love it! I still get positive remarks from audiences.
Awesome video!!! Also…thank you for going straight through rather than pedal board!!
Surprisingly good. Not much to hate on except that switch.
Domt be afraid of turning eq knobs all the way up or down is Best advice I've heard in a while. My marshall tsl100 sounds best with treble at 1.
I have one of those. I got it for $350 at a shop in Memphis and it was lightly used with box. I run it through a Marshall 2x12.
Awesome! Just picked up one of these a few months ago and I love it. Also one of the few amps in that price range that actually comes with good tubes out of the box.
5881s are great valves, I fitted a couple of my amps with them sound great!
Does this amp stay REALLY clean at a pretty loud volume before it starts breaking up?
i don't really look for gear but when i saw that there was a MIG-50 re-issue..i ordered it today. it was an easy choice.
The MIG-50 is somewhere between lead and bass spec as far as Bassman derivatives go. The tone stack has the bass values and there is no bright cap on the bright channel volume (which is II on this amp), but the first tube and the PI coupling caps are lead spec. Me, I modified my MIG-50 to be fully bass spec, even adding a switch to disable the peaking cap so that it acts like a Bassman (as opposed to Marshall's derivatives). My amp is actually an earlier run and has metal toggle switches.
I actually use this with a bass cabinet as a practice/recording amp. 50 watts is on the small side for bass, I'll see if it'll keep up for a gig tomorrow or if I'll end up with Lemmy distortion once I'm at gigging volume.
Hi !
I am bass player too but I am not native speaker so I have some trouble understanding the vocabulary here (and Google translate is not helping so much with this specific words...).
Could you please explain what is the peaking cap, and the PI coupling caps ?
Also do you manage to have clean tone with bass at low volume, or is there always a bit of dirt with this amp ? Because from demos I watched with guitars it looks like even as low as 1 there is some kind of dirt in the sound, I wonder if it is the same on bass...
Thank you so much in advance !! 😊
Sounds awesome. If I didn't already have a few Laney heads, I'd grab one in a heartbeat
So true about being hesitant to use the extreme high and low of the parameters. I know better and I still catch myself doing it. They go all the way down to zero and all the way up to 10 for a reason. Got to use all of the buffalo.
The clean sound is awesome!
Love how you can hear Rhett breaking out Good Trouble riffs in this demo haha
Rhett: excellent demo, and I find the black walls comforting, but you've got to get yourself a Soyez 1973 Condenser mic. The Sen 421 has too much harsh 3kHz. The 1973 is the most balanced/natural sounding affordable mic made. A big part of the sound is the extra resonance canceling diaphragm that reduces harshness. Ask Pete Thorne why he bought one.
Your content keeps getting better, congrats
Fetched a blackstar 2x12 60 watt has tube amp doctor tubes so far its been excellent for 300 bucks can't complain 1 bit el34 2 6l6 and 2 12ax7 has a mode that goes from fender clean to Marshall built in
There was never that many in UK from the Sovtek run. I wanted one at the time, but ended with a Laney AOR30 instead - which was great (now sold).
I have my dads Sovtek Mig-50 from the 80s-90s that I luckily was able to get repaired. Such a cool amp.
I’ll bet it’s twice the price if available in Australia. I’m definitely jealous of the stuff you guys can get and the prices.
There are Aussie-made tube amps still! EB Amps, for one. I found two Marshall JTM30s, got one for 400 and another many years later for 800 AUD. Sometimes they need servicing, great amps!
@@johnvcougar I agree that there’s great Aussie stuff around. It would just be nice to have the access to everything at reasonable prices.
Move to the United States. We have ALL the gear...and at least 500 less creatures that can kill us.
had a mig 100 back in the day have a mig 50 these days. no master volume the 50 is still way to loud but is also awesome. got the 50 with a 90's 1960a in mint condishion for $850 Aus all in the dude even delivered it! so about 550 US for the whole rig.
Got a Peavey classic 30 that really services my needs. New it cost about 800. Got it thirty yrs ago.
I picked up a used Bugera 50w tube head from guitar center for $390 and it sounds great and it’s been my main gigging amp for a while.
love my Laney VC30 212, which has the best clean sound i've heard. add EQ + crunch peddles & it sings
“What are you doing?”
Rhett: “nothing. Me? Just hanging around. “
Head and cab REALLY sound good!
"If it sounds good, it IS good" - solid advice, but I always have to consider how well built something is. If it doesn't travel well, it's useless except for home studio use. Not to come off as a "boutique snob", but so many of the modern mass-produced amps are made with cheap consumer grade components on a PCB. Some are pretty solid, many are not.
I remember these were like $299 for the head when they first were on the market. I repaired a couple and they were sort of haywire like a 60s Silvertone 1484 but sounded really good then!
Nice choice of the riffs - Jet's CHB sounded very nice.
I was just trying to budget out for a $2,000 Friedman 😅 thanks for the video Rhett.
Hey Rhett! would you be able to review the fmr audio really nice compressor rnc 1773 sometime? Thanks and you rock!
I was hoping he would put that Tonebender mk1 thru it, LOVE that PEDAL.
Could you ever use phase in a 4 x 12 to knock the volume down for domestic use, ie use phase to cancel 2 of the 4 speakers?
I have an old Sovtek Mig 50 and it’s awesome! This EH model is not cheap in Australia, it’s over $1500!
I’m not sure about now but Mesa boogie used to produce “workingman’s” amps. They were usually similar to their high end models but had less features and a comparatively simple circuit design. And for the most part they sounded GREAT. More amp manufacturers should do this.
how is it regarding headroom and pure clean sounds? i need those as well as the gritty/break up sounds.
Dude, you did it…a mystery hook that played in my head until it came to me…LEMONHEADS! Rockin’ Stroll…love it!
love the subtle use of zeppelin riffs!
I had a MiG 60 once upon a time. It felt like if you blew on it too hard it'd fall apart, but damn did it sound good.
I just came here to say that, lol. Rhett is placing people's wallets in extreme jeopardy by suggesting this amp.
Every review of the EHX version from people that have opened them up say the new ones are built much better than the old ones. Never touched one so YMMV.
I used a Sovtex Bassov Blues Boy for like 5 years on loan from a friend and that thing felt like it could survive being shot by anti aircraft guns…
I still have a Mig 60 and it's tough as nails. I did re-cap and re-pot it though.
I used to have an original mig 50. Traded it for a Strat 15ish years ago before they blew up. One of the "ones that got away"
Yea I like these, been a long time EHX fan. Thier pedals are well made, dont dig rhe plastic switches but would imagine the thing is still good quality. I would use it as a clean pedal platform so i wouldn't worry about pushing it too hard. Sounds good.
I dumpster dived a Sovtek MIG100 years ago, strong like tractor, loud like bastred, but not my sound at all. Swapped it for a 1960 Ampeg Rocket R-12 which makes me a very happy guy.
The Crate vintage club 5212 is a AC 30 fender twin hybrid that can be found used for about $400. Best cleans you will ever hear. Mark Knopfler has used them.
If I remember correctly, I paid 350 for mine used from GC. Into my fender 2x12 bassbreaker closed back it sounds amazing. What Rhett doesn't show is how CLEAN and LOUD this thing is. I was nervous buying it as a pedal platform without an FX loop but it really isnt needed for any normal gig volumes. There's a short on my channel of it cranked with a jazzmaster if anyone is interested!
Checked it out, it’s sick!
Love seeing that guitar on your video one of my favorite guitar buying stories.
Hi Rhett, love your channel and your playing. Gear question - - - I would love to learn about IR's. If I put on my electrical engineering hat (retired), I get that an IR can describe the transfer function of an amp, cabinet, mic, etc. Regarding amps, though, would it be correct, or not, to say that a given IR can only describe the transfer function at the specific control positions that it was taken at? Can that IR be extrapolated to how the amp would perform at different levels of gain, volume, bass, treble, etc? Perhaps IR's could be a Gear episode.
I had a Sovtek Mig 100 back in the day. It was much like JCM 800, but had a lot more punch and headroom. And it was built (in St Petersburg) like a tank. Wish I still had it. Apart from its smell. Whenever the tubes heated up it smelled like a French tollway toilet.... And nose plugs still aren't a thing I guess.... 😊
The old ones were basically a bassman circuit. Had an old mig 50 combo. Ran over it with my van. I was sad.
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@rhettshull awesome video!! I love EHX work and its vibe. Could you please make a video about the Dirt Road Special? Settings, use with pedals, etc. Thanks in advance!!
Rhett kinda reminds me of my gramma in the best possible way !!
I use a Aliexpress Chinese kit JTM45 basically just the board transformers chassis and box, using locally sourced components with NOS Vintage Telefunken EL34s assembled in Australia by me modded by me going through a 4 by 12 Celestion loaded cab. But the Mig 50 is killer, I might get one!
I have the 1990's Sovtek Tube Midget 50H. Small, heavy and LOUD! I think I paid around $500 for it (used).
It’s nice to see Phillip staying busy during the writers/actors strikes.
A friend or mine has an original MIG & two of the hundred watt Sovtek amps. They’re killer amps!
Glad I got mine before you posted!
Bit like the 5E3 I built. Soviet era 1960's 6P6 power tubes I bought from Ukraine, 1970s USA made 5y3 rectifier, British Mallard EEC83 (12ax7) ~1970 and a new JJ 12AY7 from Slovakia. Assembled by me in the UK using mostly Chinese electrics :)
Any opinion on the black star ht 40 combo amp? Ever played through these?
I have sooooo many amps. And I’ve learned you can get almost any amp to do what you want with the right pedals and the like.
my mig50 burned up in 2007, are these running the insane voltage like the originals or did they actually dial them back a bit so they don't consume themselves?
I used to have a Sovtek MIG-50, paid $250 for it back in the mid 90s :) Also had a Crate Blue Voodoo head I paid $300 for back in the mid 90s. These were found in a classified newspaper called "Nickel Ads" (basically a print version of Craigslist before Craigslist). Not sure if that was a national thing every big city had but those were the days. Anything and everything was for sale on Nickel Ads.
No Nickel Ads up here in Maine, but we do have the dickering bible, AKA Uncle Henrys
I only play my mesa boogie, or my Marshall plexi , or my Fender hand-wired Twin Reverb. Or at least until I hear my wife say ”It’s time to get up for work, Bob!”
My $80 used Tech 21 Tri AC sounds great. I run it into a studio monitor and double mic it. Doubt anyone will be able to tell on recordings I didn't use a real amp
Damn, I knew the inflation is out of control, but considering 800$ not expensive is crazy
It's CHEAP
Sounds a tiny bit fizzy on my end. I own quite a few vintage Fender/Marshall and other brand amps but when I gig or rehearse I'll usually use one of my many converted 1950's- 60's PA's/Hi-Fi's which really sound beautiful.. Bring me an old PA or Hi Fi in decent condition with EL-84's, 6V6's, 6AQ5's, etc and I can convert into a Princeton, Tweed Deluxe, etc.... there are many choices (for small bottle amps) or a Plexi/JCM 800, Bassman,etc for big bottle amps (6L6, EL34, KT88 etc) for about $400 to $500 depending on the condition of the donor amp and which mods you prefer if any. Great sounding tube amps dont need to cost a small fortune......Cheers
Any amp through that cab would sound great 😂😂
I loved the old MIG 50. I so want to buy one of the EH ones one day. You'd have to replace all the switches and pots on an old one anyway and they play the same from goofing around with one.
I thought this would be a normal gear video and halfheartedly clicked. The gear was just part of it. You did an amazing job of briefly describing mic-ing a cabinet well. That's a lot of experience packed into a couple of minutes and so accessibly described without going into math. I hope it helps stop the spread of angled SM57s.
I'm guilty of honoring the gravity of the center of an EQ knob, but I'm happy you brought that up. The whole range is usable... the circuit is designed that way. Be free!
I miss my old sovtek MIG50. Using both inputs at once with channel 2 set louder than the other is a really good sound..
that rug really ties the room together
Love the "gear talk" vids.
That black bay dual tone is sick
Rhett what guitar are you using? Thanks!