The rural churches around us are switching to the global Methodist church a more traditional church or are leaving to become nondenominational. They have had enough of this crazy crap.
Thank you. The groundswell to physically separate this denomination which has been spiritually separated for years is growing. My prayers for each member of the UMC is that they will seek truth, repent and follow the inspired word of God. Holy Spirit will lead each of us to Jesus. He is the way, the truth and the life. Only through Him will we be truly united. Prayers for all.
you know that mainline churches have rural churches that are more moderate or conservative; and more of the churches in the cities in larger urban areas are more liberal. This is the same with the Disciples of Christ, PCUSA, Episcopal, and ELCA denominations.
Excellent summation of the issues facing the UMC. I hope the entire congregation got up and walked on the pastor preaching the Bible is not God's Word.
Buddy all of this has been openly discussed in UMC official literature for over 50 years. It is also clear in the course catalogs of UMC seminaries for the same time. I saw it as a 20 YO and walked away from the sinful heresy. What has taken you so long to see this??
Of course not. They just realized there are other sins God hates just as much, and most of them are never discussed by the other good sinners in church. Many on the church just got tired of the hypocracey, and the hate.
Isaiah 40:8 says it all. So does II Timothy 3:16. Tampering with God's Holy Word is a very serious business. Revelations 22: 18 & 19 shows those that do will not make heaven.
I am not Methodist but many of my friends are in Methodist ministry and it saddens me to watch what your church is going through. Fundamentalists is a dead end, but mindlessly following every liberal biblical trend is equally destructive. We must understand that faith always has been and always will exist in a certain historical context. Most who question core beliefs do so for their own purposes, not because they have a desire to know the truth. I pray that all may find the peace of God that is beyond all understanding.
Yes it has brazenly changed its beliefs because of carnalism. I am quitting this God forsaken church. I will canvass vigorously for it to be banned in my country.
This can motivate Christians to be useful much for chores, work, and college. Christian world domination. New American Standard Bible (NASB) Mark 9:33 (V)They came to Capernaum; and when He was in (W)the house, He began to question them, "What were you discussing on the way?" . Mark 9:34 But they kept silent, for on the way (X)they had discussed with one another which of them was the greatest. . Mark 9:35 Sitting down, He called the twelve and said to them, "(Y)If anyone wants to be first, he shall be last of all and servant of all."
If and when they have one. By the time they do get around to another General Conference, enough of the traditional congregations will have left that those remaining will have enough votes to change the Book of Discipline so that homosexual behavior will no longer be considered a sin by the UMC. The claim that church doctrine hasn't changed will be confirmed as a lie and more congregations will leave including most if not all of the congregations in Africa. The UMC will be left a dying shell of its former self.
Thank you for recording your spiritual bigotry for all to see. Let us know when you find that Jesus was Jewish and that he didn’t actually write the Bible. Hope your ideas work out for you but, honestly, I’m skeptical. Good luck!
When the leaders of the denomination (bishops), allow things that go against our BOD AND God's word I would say yes.
The rural churches around us are switching to the global Methodist church a more traditional church or are leaving to become nondenominational. They have had enough of this crazy crap.
Bishops for decades have chosen to ignore the Book of NonDiscipline and Holy Scripture. It is past time to go!
Thank you. The groundswell to physically separate this denomination which has been spiritually separated for years is growing. My prayers for each member of the UMC is that they will seek truth, repent and follow the inspired word of God. Holy Spirit will lead each of us to Jesus. He is the way, the truth and the life. Only through Him will we be truly united. Prayers for all.
Very well said. Thank you, and God bless you.
you know that mainline churches have rural churches that are more moderate or conservative; and more of the churches in the cities in larger urban areas are more liberal. This is the same with the Disciples of Christ, PCUSA, Episcopal, and ELCA denominations.
"Love not the world, neither the things of the world, ..,.......'
Thank you for explaining this.
Excellent summation of the issues facing the UMC. I hope the entire congregation got up and walked on the pastor preaching the Bible is not God's Word.
Buddy all of this has been openly discussed in UMC official literature for over 50 years. It is also clear in the course catalogs of UMC seminaries for the same time. I saw it as a 20 YO and walked away from the sinful heresy. What has taken you so long to see this??
Of course not. They just realized there are other sins God hates just as much, and most of them are never discussed by the other good sinners in church. Many on the church just got tired of the hypocracey, and the hate.
Isaiah 40:8 says it all. So does II Timothy 3:16. Tampering with God's Holy Word is a very serious business. Revelations 22: 18 & 19 shows those that do will not make heaven.
I'm not Methodist, but many of my friends and family are. The problems in the church are tearing them apart.
It’s normal for churches. They change with time. There’s never an absolute in their beliefs.
THANK YOU FOR STATING THE SAD TRUTH 😢
I am not Methodist but many of my friends are in Methodist ministry and it saddens me to watch what your church is going through. Fundamentalists is a dead end, but mindlessly following every liberal biblical trend is equally destructive. We must understand that faith always has been and always will exist in a certain historical context. Most who question core beliefs do so for their own purposes, not because they have a desire to know the truth. I pray that all may find the peace of God that is beyond all understanding.
They do not follow the book of discipline. They do not believe in the Methodist Church.
You ask rhetorically; you would have only felt compelled to ask after being presented with what you thought was a reason to do so.
It certainly has now!
Yes it has brazenly changed its beliefs because of carnalism. I am quitting this God forsaken church. I will canvass vigorously for it to be banned in my country.
Still remaining in the UMC? 😂😂😂😂 I am a part of the GMC now! Don't be fooled by false prophets.
Olivetto needs a sinless Savior. So do we all. That’s Biblical. Take it or leave it.
This can motivate Christians to be useful much for chores, work, and college. Christian world domination.
New American Standard Bible (NASB)
Mark 9:33 (V)They came to Capernaum; and when He was in (W)the house, He began to question them, "What were you discussing on the way?"
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Mark 9:34 But they kept silent, for on the way (X)they had discussed with one another which of them was the greatest.
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Mark 9:35 Sitting down, He called the twelve and said to them, "(Y)If anyone wants to be first, he shall be last of all and servant of all."
Nope. They left God years ago.
In my opinion there will be no more Gen Con to convene,
We will not know what they will do until the next Conference.
What Tom is describing is why I left the United Methodist Church 40 years ago.
@@robertsandlin9811 I suspect it will be the United Methodist Cult after the conservative Churches leave. I hope I am wrong.
If and when they have one. By the time they do get around to another General Conference, enough of the traditional congregations will have left that those remaining will have enough votes to change the Book of Discipline so that homosexual behavior will no longer be considered a sin by the UMC. The claim that church doctrine hasn't changed will be confirmed as a lie and more congregations will leave including most if not all of the congregations in Africa. The UMC will be left a dying shell of its former self.
You are all listening to just your voice in your echo chamber. Remember Christ came for ALL sinners. all created in His image!
Sounds like it
JUST USE THE BIBLE, PERIOD! END OF ARGUMENT. AMEN.
Thank you for recording your spiritual bigotry for all to see. Let us know when you find that Jesus was Jewish and that he didn’t actually write the Bible. Hope your ideas work out for you but, honestly, I’m skeptical. Good luck!
What is your point? I guess you disagree with what he said.