United Methodist Church Changes Its Pronouns to Was/Were | Ep 998
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- Today, we discuss the United Methodist Church's recent decision to allow the ordination of self-proclaimed homosexuals as well as same-sex "marriage." The United Methodist Church has struggled with this issue for the past few years and even strengthened its position on traditional marriage in 2019. So, what changed? Plus, the Met Gala was last night, and it featured some stunning and ... interesting fashion choices for us to review.
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Timecodes:
00:00 Introduction
02:16 1000th episode news!
08:16 United Methodist Church
26:26 History of the UMC
31:29 Compromising on LGBTQ issue
41:39 Pushback
52:20 Met Gala
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The lone African Methodist pastor holding up his Bible and proclaiming the Bible is the inspired word of God. He stood against this. A modern John the Baptist. I just loved his courage and honesty and love for God’s word and His church. A true saint.
He's from my country, Liberia❤
@user-xf6qb2cx6q That kind of thinking and resolve is the reason why you have the Methodist’s apostasy. The answer is not to leave the denomination, but to safeguard it against the schemes of Satan. Christians who escaped their denomination have caused this chaos to the UMC
“He should leave the Methodist church”. That kind of thinking and resolve is the reason why you have the Methodist’s apostasy. The answer is not to leave the denomination, but to safeguard it against the schemes of Satan. Christians who escaped their denomination have caused this chaos to the UMC
It is sad the Christian community didn't use their voice to support him. 😢
@user-xf6qb2cx6q The United Methodists have left. They were run out of their own church by Unitarians.
Them announcing their sexualities and pronouns is so demonic! Christianity is about Christ the King, not self-acceptance
And why are they stating that they are adult? Isn't that obvious? Or are they saying you can identify as something other than adult?
elijeremiah: 100% agree with you.
Does scripture state that homosexuality is a sin?
Yes.
Does scripture state that adultery is a sin? Yes.
All the sins are named in the Bible, without ANY ambivalence.
Is repentance of our sins a condition of salvation? Yes.
And what does repentence require? It requires that we admit to each of our sins, and promise to avoid those particular sins in the future.
No where in scripture are we given permission to wilfully continue those sins.
Any church body (denomination) giving permission to continue homosexual sin within the body of Christ, is heretical.
Let's be clear: The issue is not human desires, it's human action.
All the preaching about "love," or "tolerance," or "acceptance," by these heretical churches, is nothing more than an effort to increase church membership and appear virtuous.
So what are our alternatives if our church is engaging in the enabling of sin?
Make our best effort to reform the church, and if it's not happening, we must leave that church. To remain is consent, whether we admit it or not.
We are called upon to help each be righteous, not asked to enable sin.
Lipstick on a pig, it's still a pig.
The person we lie to the most, is ourselves.
Amen
@@clm3436Some of them may not know it, but that’s exactly what they’re doing. The works of John Money are more important to UMC now than the Word of God.
Self-acceptance? I'd call it full-blown perversion of a God-given identity! Blessings 🙏
I am so glad the African Methodist church rejected this and broke off
25% of US Methodist churches broke away too & now are part of a different church organization of the US churches that left.
AME Ordain women bishop and elder and pastor not any better God Us😢
The African Methodists have not been allowed to break off.. I'm sure that's in the works eventually God willing.
Paul would be writing so hard right now
He would say, if you haven't read Romans 1 yet, let me repeat it again, so you little milk drinking children can understand.
😂😂 underrated comment ⬆️
Yeeeeessss 😂😂
St Paul’s pens would be breaking.
As well as a resounding " GOD FORBID! "
To be fair there are Methodists that fought against this.
And instead of staying and working for the unity that Christ prayed for and protecting the flock that is being led astray... many of those people and their communities decided to run away, forsaking the church of their forefathers to the synagogue of Satan
Edit: props to those who remain to fight for the truth of God
Obviously not nearly enough.
@@jarrahe I admire anyone who fights for what is right in a church / denomination. (Or anywhere else, for that matter!) But after a certain point, when you've fought as long and as hard as you can, what other choice do you have? There can be no unity in the biblical sense with people who have knowingly, intentionally walked away from God's Word in this manner. At some point, you eventually have no choice but separate. It's very sad.
These liberal women pushed the conservatives out they do this to all institutions they get their hands on , churches, scouting, clubs like the moose lodge
Liberel woman ruin everything
As a Global Methodist pastor,my church and I broke away from the UMC as we knew the UMC was going to do what they dud.
Does the Global Methodist accept members of the LGBTQ community into the congregation? If not, why not? Didn't Jesus say HE didn't come for the righteous, but to save sinners? What is the best way to save sinners? Introduce them to Christ in a non judgmental accepting manor. Then let Jesus help them "put off the old man and put on the new.
@@daleparker741No idea if they are but they can be members of a church without having to change it
That's an interesting question. @daleparker741 Do you mean 'accept as you are'? Or 'love you too much to leave you there?'
All sinners are welcome in true Jesus following churches, and God loves us all too much to leave us in our sinful mess!
@@jaqian a true Bible teaching church will change the people who go there. It should NEVER be the other way around. A requirement for any pastor/preacher is Leviticus 18. And they should practice what they preach. All the Bible needs to be taught, unapologetically. It is not our words, but God's.
God bless the Global Methodists!!
I was raised in the Methodist church. I am devastated but not surprised. This is not the Methodist church in which I was raised. I am heartbroken. Thank you, Ali, for covering this tragedy.
Hugs. I’m heartbroken too. The UMC was home for ten years.
I was raised in the UMC too. What the denomination is now is nothing like it was. Now, my husband and I are attending a church with loose ties to the SBC. Just very sad and disappointing.
@@lorifrancis8171 same here! I was baptized and raised in the United Methodist church. We are raising our children there. I'm a choir director and my husband is highly involved in the goings on at our church. But this just absolutely breaks our hearts. While our little country church is not embracing these practices, it is heartbreaking to know that it's coming down from the conference and who knows how it'll effect our little church. It makes me so sad!
@@robinbeige5903 I couldn't even imagine trying to raise children during this time. The former UMC church where my parents are members did vote to break away. My sister, brother in law, and their 4 kids were attending that same church, but are now part of the "great de-churching" unfortunately. I know other denominations, especially Episcopal, are having problems too.
My parents left the UMC after 30+ years because the congregation at their church largely wanted to resist the progressive ideology invading the UMC, but the church leadership proceeded against the wishes of the congregation.
A big problem is they have the wrong view of Love. They think Love is tolerance, but they don’t understand that it involves discipline, punishment, sacrifice, and selflessness
Love is to die for those you care about instead of indulge in your own passions to the point of killing them. Literally Jesus on the cross.
Also. Sexual orientation. It's called lust and sexual immorality. We're gonna call that love?
Actually, they seem to be confusing love and lust.
As far as church growth, it's a brilliant move for the UMC - and the enemy.
If we truly love our neighbor, we would make sure they know God's truth. If we don't,they will end up in the eternal fire. Is it love to let people lose their souls 😢.
At the Episcopal church I used to attend, they fully embraced this "alternative" lifestyle. The male preacher had a husband. At one of his sermons, he told us "he has to deal with his husband's cr*p, literally"....that's when I knew it was time to head for the door. Never went back and never will.
That. Is. So. Gross.
Wow 😳
Wahhh!!??
Oh my goodness that is graphic
Leaving such a church is the ONLY appropriate response.
We could see this coming and left our UMC over ten years ago. I was a life long Methodist and in my late 50s when we transferred to a Evangelical Presbyterian Church. Learned more biblical teaching is I the first two months than I had in my entire life as a Methodist. I have been born again, thank the Lord.
God bless you!🌺🙂
My wife has a relative who got saved out of the Congregational Church (UCC) and has a similar testimony. She learned more Bible in an independent Baptist Church for two years than 40+ years in the UCC. Unfortunately I still have family in that apostate group.
I moved to Presbyterian church PCA
Read the bible!!! Men lie the book doesnt!
Welcome to the EPC!
There are wolves in sheep's clothing everywhere!!! Let's protect the church
My dad was a traditional Methodist minister. Even 60 years ago, he predicted that this would all happen. He is no longer with us, but I think he would be so saddened to see the church that meant so much to him has crumbled.
Aaah, yes, the Protestants. Luther must be proud right now of his "children". 🙄
Dr. Frankenstein.
Rock concerts, yoga classes and trans pastors.. Yep, yep, a text-book example of why Tradition was important.. and why Sola Scriptura is a terrible - terrible - idea.
@@goofygrandlouis6296
Horrible argumentation from the one who's Pope is winking at sin and blessing homosexual Unions...
Many of us in fact most of us push back against progressive Christianity affirming stuff that's not Christian or biblical.
Also while you're at it,show me where you get this idea that Mary the sinner is sinless or should be prayed to.
Asking for a friend!
@@rauldelarosa2768 A blessing is not an actual marriage.
Besides, the current Pope is a "woke pope" (jesuits from Latin America..) 🙄
Mary is not prayed TO, she's prayed VIA (just like any other saint)
@@goofygrandlouis6296 blessing sin is still endorsing sin. Your pope did that and he along with you will have to answer to God while you endorse such sinful actions. Also there's nothing in Scripture that tells me I need to pray to Mary The sinner.
I can come boldly to Christ .
@@rauldelarosa2768 Yes it is. And I don't agree with it.
As for Mary, you know the Protestants are the exception, NOT the rule.
Sola Scriptura is a pure invention from some monk in Germany, 15 centuries down the road.
Catholics, Orthodox, Cooptic, Armenian, ..All of the rest of Christianity rely on Tradition as much as Scripture.
Grew up Methodist. Got confirmed in a Methodist church. This is so heartbreaking. Praying for all who have been lead astray. 😢
Same here. This is insane. I'm not going to lie I'm from the northeast. Trans flags everywhere.
The Word of God is not affirmative, but transformative. Thank you speaking so eloquently on this topic, your speech is so thoughtful and precise, it sounds almost like pre-written poetry. God bless you!
Yes! Transformative!
It is intended to fracture, disrupt, and destroy the church. And the UMC is allowing it to happen.
Sin is not an identity.
That would make a good slogan on a tee shirt…👍
I agree with you but I also see another angle - SIN does indeed identify a group - The LEFT - those goats that the King will put on His LEFT when He comes to take up His treasure.
Then why do you call yourself a sinner?
Everyone has been given an identity from God being made in His image. God created male and female. We should reflect the image of God. When you've been made in God's image, you have the potential to reflect His qualities and character.
@@asunder6797 Sin is a behavior. All have sinned and come short of the glory of God.
I’m the daughter of a retired UMC pastor. Although I’m now Eastern Orthodox, I’m grieved to see the church I grew up in fall so far. Luckily, the specific parish I grew up in decided to leave the UMC order to keep their standards against sin.
This whole thing started in the late 80’s-early 90’s. I remember a female pastor here in Cedar Rapids, Iowa fighting to be able to marry gay couples in the early 90’s. At the time, she was disciplined by the Iowa General Conference. Now look at them. SMH. How sad.
Nah. It started with “female pastors/priests”. The post-gender revolutionaries are also post-sex. Shocker.
You said: *I remember a female pastor here in Cedar Rapids, Iowa fighting to be able to marry gay couples in the early 90’s*
That's exactly how it all starts!!! with the ordination of female pastors!!!!
@@kevinrtres Not sure how to take your comment based on the tone, but I have heard the argument that since Paul does not permit female ordination (and this was virtually unchallenged for over 1900 years), to disagree with Paul on that point means there's nothing stopping you from disagreeing with Paul on other points, such as his condemnation of homosexual acts.
Interesting. I moved from the Methodist Church to the Eastern Orthodox Church also. I loved the Methodist church of my youth - it's so sad to know I can't go home again.
My uncle was a Methodist pastor for years, and he fought so hard against this. He passed away last July and he would be heart broken if he were here.
God called him home so he wouldn't have to see this happen
My church hired a lesbian minister and the church was dead in 5 years. The property has been sold and the proceeds given away.
Same here. So sad 😔
They won
Thank Obama
Good. It wasnt a real church then if they allow that.
God will not be mocked. Sin brings forth death, literally and spiritually.
I drive by a local Methodist church almost daily and it makes me so mad. There are literally more rainbow flags all over their property than crosses (only one cross on the building but dozens of flags everywhere else). I pray for their eyes to be open, to repent and tell the truth about what the Bible really says. They are purposely misleading.
same , there is one down the street and the rainbow flag is extra large. I used to go to the Episcopal church and all of them were gay priests. The devil is taking over these fake churches. The roman catholic church blessed Gay marriages which is blasphemy ! I just want Jesus to come now and save us all from this evil.
The one "upside" when churches rainbow themselves out is that it lets you know not to waste your time ever going there.
I'd rather they just get rid of the cross altogether, since they don't stand for it.
We have a liberal Catholic church near us that does the same thing. They don't worship christ. Did Jesus say worship is a hippie guy who doesn't judge anybody. Even a cursory reading of the Bible shows that that's not who he is even without any specific hermeneutics courses
The truth is that some people are gay.
They really be respecting everyone’s pronouns but God’s 💀
They've shifted from revering "I am" to revering the human I ams.
Ouuuuuu that’s a word!!!! So true.
That’s why my church left the UMC.
Same here... we just disaffiliated from them... and so glad we did. Good riddance UMC...
Same
Same here!
Good and thank you for standing up for truth.
Us too. Our congregation overwhelmingly agreed to dissafiliate from the UMC a couple of years ago. I believe that the few that didn't agree did not know or want to believe all that was going on. Still, so sad it had to be this way.
And TH-cam trying to make me watch a political ad for a radical leftist candidate before I can listen to Allie Beth is hilarious.
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The Scriptures draw lines in the sand, modern day pressures try and smudge them or even worse, erase them. No, just NO.
....so, if scripture has drawn the line in the sand, why aren't they seeing it? The new offshoot has broken away, I'm sure they think they are interepreting the Scripture properly because they claim they are being led by the "spirit". They echo Martin Luther's words : " Unless I am convinced by the testimony of the Scriptures or by clear reason (for I do not trust either in the pope or in the councils alone, since it is well known that they have often erred and contradicted themselves), I am bound by the Scriptures I have quoted, and my conscience is captive to the Word of God.". I just hope that you as Protestants can se what is gong on here. They should be excomunicated from Christendom, because they are not Christian anymore. But how would they be excommunictaed? You have no authority to do that. They, on the other hand, will continue to call themselve Christian, and they will continue to confuse and mislead thousands of people.
So tell that to your pastors who can't keep their hands off children.
@michaelfisher7170 You are so proud. You talk as if sexual abuse of children doesn't happen in Protestant churches, as if your pastors are all of them exempt from this sin. But leys take a real look, and let us scrutinize you the way the Catholic Church has been scrutinized, would you Protestants pass the test? No. You would not. Sexual abuse of children is just as much if not MORE SO in Protestant churches, the difference is that your little churches never get blasted fir it on the news. Your little churches don't keep records of everything that has happened in your church h for 50 years plus. We do, in the Catholic Church. In addition, your pastors not only sexually abuse children, but many murder their wives and commit all kinds of sexual sins. So get off of your perch and stop judging.
@michaelfisher7170 Recent studies have found that sexual abuse of children is just as prevalent in protesnt churches as it WAS in Catholicism. On top of that, your pastors also commit all kinds of sexual immoral sins. There's one in the news now of a pastor who murdered his wife, he's not the first one. Please stop being so proud and come with a way to eliminate sexual abuse of children in your own xhurch instead of pretending it's not happening there ,too.
@@michaelfisher7170 wow. I posted my reply two times, and twice it was deleted. Why?
As soon as churches started messing with and saying that God's Law was "done away with at the cross" and it's all about Grace, Grace, Grace - the devil stood up and said "hold my beer."
My sister is in a Methodist Church that is full old people and dying. They don't want to be part of the church if the Gays get to be pastors but they are all old and don't know where to go. Plus they have all financially given so much tot he building and they will loose everything they've invested in the building. I keep telling my sister get out now but she is stubborn.
My husband’s family is Methodist. There little church decided to break away from the big Methodist church. So they just continue to take care of their church and do what they need to do. I’m Catholic, so I don’t understand what that entails to break away, but that’s what they did.
Can they join the global Methodist Church I’m Catholic but have Methodist friends that did that
Oh, that's heartbreaking. I do feel sorry for older people stuck in bad churches.
@@emmaleebuzzard1023 in most denominations, it entails losing out on financial benefits. IE, money for new buildings, sponsorships for Missions abroad. Also, losing access to “employees” I guess you would say? Like, the Denomination seeking out a new pastor for you if yours wants to retire (or heaven forbid, becomes disqualified). Tough for smaller churches
Way to go Allie! Love how you stick with scripture!!! Keep on keeping on! ❤
It is NOTHING but sexualizing children. To (try to) make everyone introduce themselves by ADVERTISING THEIR SEXUALITY...what in the world??? Some may say "no! It's not about sexuality...it's just being able to love who you want"...uh, no. Let's say you are a gay woman...who you LOVE is not the same as WHO YOU SHARE A SEXUAL BED WITH. I am straight...and I love plenty of other females...my daughter, my mother, my close female friends...but I do not have to DECLARE MY LOVE FOR THESE PEOPLE EVERY TIME I INTRODUCE MYSELF. So why must they insinuate right off the bat WHO THEY PREFER TO SLEEP WITH?? That is confusing for children. Why? Because the children ask...what is gay? What does it mean? And you have to explain to them...they love another woman/man, whatever...but it's NOT JUST THAT THEY LOVE THEM...after all, straight people love other people who they are not sleeping with. So then the children figure out quickly that there is something else...a different meaning of "love"...so then you have to explain what they mean by "love". NO! I'm not doing that. This is about erasing children's innocence for these crazy people's sins.
True love has lost its meaning, just as marriage and the family has been redefined.
@@joekey8464 there's only one defnitions of true love in the Bible
@@magdacavuquila3263 yes, just as there is only one meaning of marriage and the family in the bible
My kids are grown now but I used to tell them that gay people were when two men or two women are trying to have a relationship like a boyfriend and girlfriend or a husband and wife had and that God told us not to do that but these people don’t understand. I left it at that. No sex talk. Then, when they were older and we did have the sex talk, I didn’t have to explain the particulars of gay sex because they got the general idea and asked me. I just had to confirm.
@@jamieshinn4355 I understand completely that you don't have to go into graphic detail to explain anything to children. Even heterosexuality is not explained to children until they are old and mature enough to understand, and even then you don't need to elaborate. Believe it or not, people figure out how it all works even if no one explains it, lol...and of course a wise parent will guide them in understanding the sacredness of the act, the necessity of marriage, etc...but I don't understand who ever thought is was OK to state WHO YOU HAVE SEX WITH as you introduce yourself to strangers ..."I'm a trans gay woman,"...or some such nonsense. I don't feel the need to put in a tidbit about my sex life when talking to strangers BUT THESE WEIRDOS DO!
Left the Methodist church I grew up in when I got saved and realized there was a disparity in preaching, disparity in doctrine, and my questions about the Bible went unanswered. The progression of the Methodist church toward apostasy has validated that decision. Praying those who come out of that mess find good churches elsewhere.
I went to a Methodist church for a short time, but after a while realized they were very corrupt while doing seemingly very Godly things.
I was at a free lunch for the needy and the pastor have a nice sermon and said, anyone have any questions? A young man said he did and asked something about the Holy Spirit.
The pastor's jaw worked, like he was angry about something, and he said, I'll answer it later after the lunch. He never did. He had been in ministry for years and always dismissed the Holy Spirit, any of that tongue talking nonsense, healing, prophecy.
He had an older lay pastor who corrupted his assistant pastor sexually, and he should have seen it. I could go on, but church was just a habit for these people, they were really quite lukewarm. I don't know where they are with this latest development but I had to distance my self from them, one ex friend was getting into weird serpentine labyrinths, all sorts of weird stuff going on.
The pastor started asking one if the uneducated welfare women who came to free church meals, about that Holy Spirit stuff. She wouldn't tell them anything, they were not really nice to her and treated her badly.
There are people who have fake tongues, or even are just corrupt and have the real thing. But there are people who are honest and Godly even when no one is looking. But they waited till the end of the ball to learn how to dance.
Your biblical education is lovely, Allie-just lovely.
Thank you. Bless you!
I went through this with the United Church of Christ awhile ago. I've had to grieve my childhood church that went absolutely crazy. UCC literally had "Woke Easter" on their X account and almost every post has been about LGBTQ for the last several years. It's gross what these churches are doing. I left and am now going to a Catholic church with my husband who is Catholic.
Unironically there IS in fact a Woke Easter. It is described by the Marxist evangelist Paulo Frieri who literally calls it Easter, just a Communist/Marxist one.
It is heresy of the highest order, telling you that YOU are God, and that you must die and be reborn as a kind of Woke Jesus to save the world.
It is literally a modern version of the snake tempting Eve in the Garden of Eden, promising that she will become like God. Which is why now all if a sudden you are godly enough to die on the cross of Marxism to save the world.
Listen to this short video by James Lindsay, who documents this abomination: th-cam.com/video/uBQkpqII_8Y/w-d-xo.htmlsi=wXd95IbLqhWxPTPf
You should also watch his longer video The Marxification of the church.
It will tell you everything you need to know about this insidious infection.
It is a cult religion, and it is now very effective. None of us can just lean back and "hope for the best", we cannot trust that it'll just work out in the end, if we do ... the mind virus wins.
You should look into Pope Francis pushing the same filth. The only unbroken church is the Orthodox church.
Allie, I was changed by your shows on abortion abolition and IVF/surrogacy.
Mine was Butterfield so good.
I am a Methodist pastor's daughter, now a Catholic convert. I will always have fond memories and appreciation of where I come from, but I can't say I'm surprised. Christians of all stripes HAVE to get a cohesive theology of the body and pro life ethic. Straight people have been blowing up the sanctity of marriage and sexuality for decades.
It does not matter what religion a person is in because what matters is the true saving grace of God and Jesus being the true saving grace, believing is what matters. All religions have fallen short of what God intended for religion to be and every church sets its own doctrines, regardless of the religion. As you state so about the methodist religion, same can be applied to the catholic religion and honestly there are far worse doctrines in the catholic religion than others.
I do not say this to condone any religion above another because all religions are fallen in some ways, sort of fashion and God is not please with the way mankind has taking it upon itself the man-made traditions and doctrines that it has and calling another religion at fault yet being in the same cup of fault in a different subject.
The best thing a person can do for self is to step out of the religion mindset and step into the embrace of the truth Word of God the Bible and foremost believe God and ask Him for His wisdom and being the way maker that mankind religion would be the last thing on the mind.
Anyhow, please know am not judging in any way, simply stating what was on my heart to profess and do what you will with it but may God Himself be the way maker for you and your loved ones, in Jesus name, Amen.
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Facts. Us straight folks are not in the free and clear here either.
Ps welcome home ❤
Christians don't own marriage and you have a cheek as a catholic to even mention sexuality. Get that plank out of your own eye first. Turn over your documentation on child abusing priests to the proper authorities.
@@John_Lete how do you figure that us Catholics do so much wrong but we have never wavered on all the issues that matter.
No women’s ordination, no gay marriage, no abortion, no euthanasia. Every Protestant denomination is off in left field one way or another, but not us.
Thanks be to God that I’m a Catholic.
It is catholic pope who allow homosexually marriage and I believe it is is the so called catholic church officially spreading the act of homosexuality than in any other church. Also i believe that the acts of homosexuality is everywhere in everywhere church in the world. But catholic church share the the most.
I used to teach children and help with the kids choir at my local methodist church but for the sake of my own children we left and joined a SBC church. It's really a shame.
I can't go to an SBC church, either. I am a theological conservative. But my problem with most conservative churches in America is that they have bowed the knee to political conservatism and hyper-individualism the same way the liberal churches have bowed the knee to political progressivism and socialism. Politics OWNS our churches today. It is a golden calf that American Christians worship. And we use it to divide us into camps that we seek to destroy at all costs. I hate this idol. And I hate that it is more important than anything to us. POLITICS IS NOT OUR PURPOSE IN LIFE!!!
Legalism is becoming popular again in conservative churches too. Seems like everyone is swinging way to far one way or the other.
The SBC is headed in the same direction! Give it a few years, you'll see!
The Bible’s very clear we are to separate from the world and be a peculiar people.The biggest clue that these churches were going the wrong direction was allowing Women Preachers that’s not Biblical God never called a woman to lead a Church case closed.
The Bible is very clear about the grace of Christ and His Word provides hundreds of verses to back up the truth of God yet so many christians look to self and are taught by religion and the doctrine of mankind to depend on self for having salvation instead Jesus/God Himself, which the truth is that by His grace alone is mankind saved. All religions have fallen short of the glory of God and so many folks are not what God gave for them to be in which is His grace.
There's a Methodist church near me. Years ago when the denomination started to embrace this wickedness they changed to the "[Insert town name here] Village Church". Im not a Methodist but God bless them for sticking with truth. Condoning sin and calling evil good and good evil is an issue to split over. You cannot brook fundamental evil like that.
Not going to leave a voicemail but I found you during the recent Alastair Begg gay wedding controversy. You changed my mind on that topic and have been a listener ever since
I was shocked that the last song from the conference was not a worship song, but just a love train song. I guess I’m not shocked.
I saw it on Wretched. The O’Jays.
Taking the unbiblical view that “love is love” and twisting it to “Jesus condones homosexuality.”
Sin is sin.
@@dorianorossi They can ride that "love" train all the way to hell, and they will.
@@jamestrotter3162 My thumbs down is not to you, but to the fact that they are lost, if they came to know Jesus, then it would be a thumbs up.
@@dorianorossi Well there's no getting around the fact that they're definitely lost.
@@jamestrotter3162 Thumbs down because it is sad, not because there’s any disagreement with your statement, you are correct as their lack of faith follows with the Bible teaching.
The western Methodist churches affirm this but not us in Africa. I'm a Methodist in the Gambia and we were told inorder to receive grants from them we have to align with their stance. We refused and rejected the grants and everything they have to offer. It's not just us It's the same for Ghana, Nigeria, Sierra Leon to name a few. It's not the denomination but the individual churches out there in the west that have such affirmations.
Ah, so in order to take their money, you had to give up your souls. Your church made the right decision.
I've been searching for some info on this and am so excited to hear Allie's perspective. Thank you! Just getting started listening...Love the title 😉
"Having a hope in God that there shall certainly be a resurrection of the righteous and the wicked (16) I do my best to maintain a blameless conscience before God and men." Acts 24:15,16
Haven't heard this one. Thanks for sharing
I am Roman Catholic and I watch all your videos, there were few UMC around here that they had the lg.... flag, suddenly they removed that flag and change their name. Now it makes sense why.
Changed to Methodist Church. That is the Global Methodist that left the UMC. For obvious reasons.
@@ciscotx74 I used to attend Novus Ordo, now is like protestant mas but with our Blessed Virgin Mary present, after attending Bible study in different churches, Traditional Latin Mass is the one keeps the most traditions our Lord Jesus Christ left for us, as the most important, the Eucharist , so much respect and veneration receving
@@ciscotx74 the Eucharist with so much veneration, 100% of them believe our Lord is present
My dear brothers and sisters from United Methodist...WHY?
Note: I am a Catholic Christian. I am not a member of the Methodist church, but felt compelled to ask my above question to you.
WHY? Why are you doing this? What do you believe you're gaining by accepting these modern day idealogies into your practices?
We got some shady shit going on in our church too. Vague “blessings for people in irregular unions” “deaconesses” rolling out soon, creeps in high up roles of power and good holy men getting the boot. We all need to pray!
Also I love the phrasing “I’m a Catholic Christian” I’m gonna be borrowing that. I hate when I get posed the question: “are you Christian or are you Catholic” (I literally got disinvited to a friends church after I answered her question “I’m Catholic” - she said “oh then you won’t want to come to my Christian church. Never mind” like what??)
They became confused about loving people (which we are to do) and accepting ideas (which we are called to discern between).
We left the UMC 12 years ago - my husband was a UMC pastor - and journeyed into the Anglican (ACNA) church where he is now our parish priest. We have watched with great sadness what has happened to this once good denomination. May we all watch and learn!
It's sad because a lot of us who attend UMC are not for this! Unfortunately, the clergy that were present were more liberal and a vote wasn't even discussed. It just went through like it was nothing. It would not have passed if the African countries were represented, but from what I've read, many of the African clergy could not obtain a Visa to attend the conference. I was born and raised in the UMC. A small little country church that I've always been highly involved in. At this point, we are trying to hold on as we are not practicing what was just passed.....yet. However, I don't know what it holds for our little church and if we'll be staying.
Come out from among them!
What should we do?
I maintain that the majority of the people in the pews are conservative/traditional and do not support this. Unfortunately, the delegates' votes are not representative of the people in the pews. I was heartbroken at the disgraceful treatment of the African delegates, both in how the ones who were able to be there were treated and in the late invitation letters that didn't give 25-30% of them a chance to get their visas.
Your church sounds a lot like mine!
So how was it decided ? Was it voted on ? Can you explain the process?
Unlike Trent horn I was raised with no religion. About 35 or so I ended up in the church of Christ. Least they held to the Bible. But like Trent. I'm a Catholic convert. And like him orthodox, but not necessarily Rad trad This thing with a methodist church is very sad. They are throwing out scripture. As the Episcopal Church did when I was part of it. There seems to be a move within all churches.
2 accept perversion. It is called Cowardice. I don't know what else to call it. It is people too afraid to stand for the truth Scriptures, say there will come a time when the love of many will grow cold. I believe we are at that point. But I'll say one thing, Christians of all denominations better wake up.
Instead of condemning one another to hell as it was when I was in the church of Christ.
And stand against what's going on in our society. We are now living in a post Christian era, and if we don't wake up, there will be no Christians left.
This is why God is not with any religion because all religions have become nothing more than a building with the name of God stuck on it yet on the inside so many souls are lost because they know not the grace of Christ. Sin is sin and regardless of the sin, small or great, it is sin in the sight of God and the only way a person is washed clean, it is by the grace of Jesus whom is God.
Holy Spirit is stuck in the back pocket by many so called christians and thus it is why so many have no growth in their walk with Christ and at the same time have no true understanding of the saving grace of God which actually saves.
The problem before cowardice is they just believe in Christ or the need for his sacrifice. If they believed, they would have faith and understanding which would help them to stand firm.
@@ohthankg-dforthebourgeoisi9800 Well if people aren't getting born again and don't think that Christ's blood atonement and resurrection is what saved us and think they are going to somehow earn their way, there will continue to be division. This is why I've never belonged to a denomination; traditions are held in the same esteem or even above Christ. A lot of traditions in churches have become idols to those churches. It doesn’t help that we are living in the time of apostasy. Finding a church that isn’t blasphemous, lukewarm, or heretical is quite difficult. The gospel is actually very simple, but man has tried it’s best to make it extremely difficult. When we are born again we are a new creation.
My grandfather would flip if he was alive. Not the fact of people leaving the Methodist Church just the fact of what the Methodist Church is agreeing to.
John 3:18 confirms condemnation. In fact, it explained that until we are in Christ we are condemned already.
I’m Baptist we really aren’t Protestant we didn’t protest anything we just preach the word of God and try to win souls to Christ
Spencer Smith, is that you? 😅😅😅😅
"we were never in Rome to begin with we go back thousands of years blah blah blah"
You can say you are not protestant. But newsflash, you are.
Baptists are most definitely protestant. Any western christian church that is separate from the Roman Catholic Church and follows the principles of the Reformation such as Sola Scriptura is a protestant
Any Christian church that is not Catholic is considered protestant.
@@777igg The Baptist Church is just another offshoot of the protestant reformation. The commenter above who tried to deny this belongs to a small view among baptists, that they magically existed since the time of the Apostles. Which there doesn't seem to be any historical evidence of this at all.
You are Protestant, but that’s not a bad thing, so there is no reason to deny it. Any denomination that was spun off of the Catholic Church is, by definition, Protestant.
The Trent collaboration was my first episode I've seen of yours. I came back today. Good vibes and well thought out.
I am a Life long Methodist that’s been feeling disconnected for the past 8 years. It’s only bc of my husband that I still go. I’ve become part of an online community of a CA church that’s help disciple and spiritually nourish me.
Allie Beth, you have a solid grip on your understanding of The Gospel and what God’s word says and it’s refreshing to hear. Thank you.
Sadly @AllieBethStuckey, this episode just barely scratches the surface of what happened, why it happened, why so many left, why so many didn’t leave and what no one in the press is privy to. You should really interview Keith Boyette or Rob Renfroe (who lives not far from you). They can go way deeper and tell you how truly evil, in my opinion, this General Conference was. The unbelievable hypocrisy of these liberal UM’s towards their African brothers and sisters is just appalling, disgusting and unchristian. As a former UM who helped lead their local church out of the denomination, I could tell you some things but I’m no authority or anything like that. It would make you sick to know what was happening behind the scenes at the UMC General Conference. It’s so sad. Heartbreaking. So glad my church got out when it did. Some had to sue in order to leave. So sad. Thank you for bringing some of this to light though. You’re an awesome woman of God. God Bless!
Bible is predicted this will happened brother the end times is coming we must prepare for it
Wow, I can only imagine what else went on that we don't know. Just seeing what Allie showed really grieved my spirit 😢
@@banita1134 oh it would make you physically ill. It’s disgusting
Take no part in the unfruitful works of darkness, but instead expose them.
My mom's started going to church again in the past few years unfortunately to UMC. I'd love if Allie could talk to these guys if it helped her see
How many switched to the more conservative Global Methodist Church
As many as 25%
About one fourth of the churches in the U.S.
Our Methodist church moved over to the Global Methodist church last year. Thank God!
Lots of churches left
its nor that conservative. They still suffer women to preach. which is what started this whole mess. Once the alphabet people destroy the UMC ( give it 5 years) they will move to the GMC. I don't think they tighten up enough to make it clear they are nor nor ever will be welcome. If they don't they will be invaded again. Satan is relentless.
its really sad to know so many church today supporting LGBT and its make me realize that were in the end times now
EO does not support it.
Oh no! Not the endtimes again!😈😈😈
believe it or not it will happened soon you must be prepared for it brother in Christ
There is a difference between supporting people and supporting ideas.
They aren't churches. They're sin centers with a Jesus sticker on top.
Thank the Lord everyday for the leadership in my church and for a wonderful pastor, we left the United Methodist Church and joined the global Methodist Church ♥️
Our small country church saw the storm coming and went through the formal disaffiliation process. So glad we did. We are focused on loving God with all our heart and our neighbors as ourselves and we are thriving!
You are an amazing communicator. God bless you 🙏❤
Our church voted unanimously to withdraw from the UMC last October. We have to pay the exit fee by May 31. I'm glad we will be officially out very soon.
I was raised Methodist but I left over this issue nearly a decade ago. It was a major eye-opening moment for my younger, naive self to see so many members (and leaders in particular) suddenly 'realize' that they had been wrong in their interpretation of scripture regarding the sinfulness of homosexuality at precisely the time scotus forced it on the country.
This my first time seeing or hearing you Allie. I am encouraged and impressed by your apologetics. Keep pushing for the kingdom.
I enjoyed the discussion with Trent Horn. I can see that we all genuinely love Jesus Christ and are doing our best to follow Him faithfully.
I'm Catholic and believe that we can learn a great deal from our Protestant brothers and sisters in loving scripture so deeply. Although Catholics tend to know the content of the bible very well, we often can't cite passages like our Christian siblings can.
I’m 65 . When I was in my 20’s there was a transgender woman ( a man) in the choir at the local United Methodist Church . I would frequently see him shopping at the local market and mentioned it to my friend. She attended Calvary chapel with me and knew exactly who he was as she had gone to see the choir at that church at her dad’s request. ( she went there growing up) . My point is the united Methodist have been liberal for years
Geez I never saw anything like that at the churches I attended. However my childhood church is Korean now.
@@kristenharden3157 well I did neglect to mention that this was in Huntington Beach Calif. I knew another family that attended there and the daughter my age told me the was no such thing as the devil ( Satan) we were about 11. Then another friend that went there and later converted to Latter Day Saints told me she was never told about the trinity there . Apparently it was not a good church at all.
They seem to be reported with freemasons too. Sorry to say.
As long as the transgender person didn't get in people's faces about it, they should certainly be allowed to attend.
@@sarah2.017 of course. But when you put someone in the chair, they are representing the church publically
Thank you for your bold and faithful witness to the authority of God's Word. You are a blessing to so many.
Loved every bit of this, the verbiage you used was so spot on and intentional. This video is 100% the reason why we currently have 3% of the 65-75% population of Christians admitting to a Biblical Worldview. Who is on your throne: the Creator or self?
A Biblical worldview makes the road super narrow, but it does bring true freedom. 🙌🏻
It's actually better for a church to make known publicly what their ideology is, so that true Christians can avoid it.
I am a UMC Sunday School teacher. I am a theological conservative (and a Navy veteran). I have debated leaving our church for a few years now. But the only reason I am even at this church is because I was made unwelcome at the Baptist church I formerly attended because I would not make conservative politics my life priority. Most conservative churches in America have bowed the knee to political conservatism and hyper-individualist philosophy (Objectivism, etc.) the same way the liberal churches have bowed the knee to political progressivism and socialist philosophy (Marxism, etc.) Both approaches are utterly unbiblical. Politics OWNS our churches today. It is a golden calf that American Christians worship. And we use it to divide us into camps that we seek to destroy at all costs. I hate this idol. And I hate that it is more important than anything to us. I will not bow my knee to either Old Glory or the Rainbow flag. POLITICS IS NOT OUR PURPOSE IN LIFE!!!
Not the cathlolics. They seem to know what they are about. Now if they could just get rid of this Pope
@@redink71came here to say this. Ditto on both points
@@redink71Thank you? Popes come and go, good and bad, they’re all human. But dogma is unchangedable and the Catholic Church will endure always faithful to our Lord until His Second Coming.
You could come to Canada, we tend not to obsess over politics inside of church, haha.
@@redink71 But if the church is so faithful, how did you get a defective pope?
Thank you for standing up for the Word Allie!
Thanks Allie. Im really shocked of what is happening.
Cool, 1000 episodes, great job!
I’ve never known the United Methodist church in my lifetime to have strong biblical teaching. I’m 57. This isn’t a surprise at all to me.
Excellent piece, well put! Thank you for this.
You changed my mind on IVF & surrogacy for sure! Thank you! Also, I always enjoy your commentaries on the celebrity outfits. 😂 It's nice to have a few light-hearted segments and since I don't pay attention to celebrities otherwise, it helps keep me up to date a little in this crazy world.
Alli, you are so right,!
Your debate yesterday helped me decide what church I should go to! I’ve found God recently and have been wrestling with Catholicism vs Non denominational and your video yesterday helped me realize the Catholic Church is not for me
See if there is an Anglican church (ACNA) near you. The ACNA formed 16 years ago as a response to the Episcopal church’s decisions on the lg… agenda.
Praise God 🙏
Man, I love Allie Beth! Such a breath of fresh air in how she speaks the truth so clearly, boldly and kindly.
Thank you my sister in Christ for standing up for the Truth…!!! Great job ✝️✝️✝️🙏🙏🙏👏👏👏…!!!
Them saying “adult” really weirds me out… what else would they be? Why do these grown people need to announce they’re an adult… they say this as if you can identify as a different age…this is really concerning 😬
I grew up in the United Methodist Church. I was confirmed when I was 12. I left that church because I saw no love in most of the congregation. My Dad was on the administrative Board and he was always talking about how petty the other board members were. I was a certified lay minister as well. To say that I am disgusted by this turn of events is a gross understatement... but truthfully I am not surprised.
Many of the mainstream "Christian" denominations are apostate in varying degrees. But that is like being "just a little bit pregnant". The fruit tells the story. And it is distressing. The lack of love and compassion is horrifying. The pharisaical self righteousness and condemnation is so very prominent in many of these congregations. BUT... it seems that they have no discernment either. And they fall into a pit that come from not being able to discern that loving others does not mean condoning their sin. You can love and have compassion for hurting people without condoning their behavior.
I treat everyone with dignity and respect. I am fully aware that I am a sinner and that "but the grace of God there goeth I" so I do not condemn anyone. That is for God alone. But I will not condone sin. If the sin is exposed then it has to be a part of the equation. You do not just accept detrimental behaviors. They may believe that it doesn't hurt anyone but that is a clever deception by the Adversary. A good parent does not condone bad behavior but they also do not shun their child and berate them mercilessly. In some case the child doesn't know why what they did is so wrong. They lack the ability to sort through the ramifications and ripple effects of their actions. This is true with people in persistent sin. They are blinded by their desires as to why it is harmful to them and others.
I have known many homosexuals ( they aren't gay or lesbian... they are homosexual...period ) and under the veneer of outward contentment they are miserable. Some of the most broken people I have ever known were in that boat. And sadly they lash out at others for "judging" them when the true judgement lies within them. They know deep down something is wrong but they feel helpless to do anything about it. This is the secret harm of these behaviors.
People who think they should have been born the opposite sex are not healthy. It is wrong to ignore the symptoms of any sickness. If you have a disability that may develop into something life threatening, you do not hide it just because "people may talk". You seek treatment. I am sorry but the "trans" movement is a mental health issue. And nothing we do will help it until the illness is recognized and addressed.
The UMC has fallen in the pit by condoning a detrimental behavior. If someone that identifies as LGBTQ attends your church service you should treat them with dignity and respect. You should not shun them at all. BUT you must not affirm their behavior either. If a junkie wanders in off the street it would be the same thing. Love, compassion, dignity and respect but you DO NOT affirm their drug use! You show them a better way. You rely on the transformative power of the Almighty King of the Universe to help you HELP THEM. God can do ANYTHING. Our faith is the limitation not His power.
Shame on the congregations of the UMC for letting this come to this point. The saltiness has gone from your faith. God can forgive anything. I beg you to rexamine your choices and lay them at the foot of the cross. The demnination may be dead but you are redeemable until the moment of death.
I'd give you multiple thumbs ups if I could. You are absolutely correct.
Oh BROTHER, we got a jabber-jaw over here.
Yap Yap Yap
It was an edifying dignified discussion which was respectful between yourself and Trent. I especially liked the fact that Trent was considerate towards you being a seasoned apologist. This is from me a devout Catholic.
Thank you Allie for doing the dress critiques at the end. That was fun! 😃
There was a street preacher preaching outside this convention, rebuking them for their sin. He saw several men in skirts/dresses going in to this conference. Also, where we're from, the Methodist church has literally locked the doors/changed the locks or whatever to pastors and congregations that will not go along with their "acceptance". They have had to find new buildings and start over.
1 Timothy 5:20 KJV
Them that sin rebuke before all, that others also may fear.
2 Timothy 4:2-4 KJV
Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine. [3] For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; [4] And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
Can I assume that they were not kilts, or caftans, culturally appropriate based on where they were from?
@@sarah2.017 no. They were cross-dressing men-- a man trying to look like a woman, but fooling no one.
Yep we left mid 2020 because the specific church we were apart of we knew were leaning this way and we were like nope we cannot stay where they are changing what the bible clearly stands against.
I was raised a Methodist and was very active until about 5 years ago. That was about the time the indoctrination of affirming LGBTQ+ became a big push. There were clergy who had taken vows and then when they became pastors or bishops, they openly denounced those vows. And instead of removing them, which was in the Book of Discipline, the LGBTQ+ refused to go and the conference bowed down because they didn't want that negative press. So now it's been taken over. It's heartbreaking that they have purposely split the church in order to blend onto the world vs God's Word.
Went through this in the Episcopal church and unfortunately it is on life support as a result. After a long journey, my husband and I and our children joined the Orthodox Church this year. Such a breath of fresh air to be on solid foundation.
Inevitable conclusion to the Reformation.
I was raised Baptist, but my husband and I just visited a Methodist church for the first time last Sunday (looking for a church in the area we just moved to). They're "Wesleyan Methodist", which as I understand it means that they don't support LGBTQ stuff at all. It's in their doctrine and beliefs statement that they don't. So I hope people aren't from now on turned off to any and all churches that are "Methodist" -- just do a little digging! Maybe they're a great, Bible-honoring church that's just right for you! We enjoyed our visit at the one we went to, and are considering it. :) The clips you showed are _horrifying_ 😂 and not at all what we experienced. The Wesleyan Methodist church we visited was very traditional and lovely.
What was even MORE horrifying though were those Met Gala outfits 👀
Wesleyan Methodists are conservative and wholesome.
Excellent exposition on our Creator and His perfect intention for us. ❤✝️❤️
Our church was UMC, but left last year when we could. Very glad we did so.
I'm now convinced that the Catholic Church was founded by Jesus and has the fullness of faith. I'm praying about becoming Catholic. Excited!
They're also pro-lgbtq
I felt the same way and am now fully Catholic. Will be praying for you! 🙏🏼
How wonderful! Welcome home in advance 😊❤
Very exciting! I will add you to my prayers Joan. I hope you visit a Catholic Church soon.
Catholicism has many false doctrines- beware.
We are in the great falling away as foretold in the Bible.
Hi Alley, I respect your standing up for our Christian faith in this crazy time. I am a 67-year Christian, saved at 33. This is such an important show. Im wondering why you feel you have to mention outfits at the Met gala? I really think most people really dont care. Do YOU really care? Please don't do it just to try to be relevant. You should know that we could go to NBC or ABC or NPR if we wanted to hear about that. Suggestion: Find fun things happening in the community, heart-warming stuff that fits so much better on your show. Thanks for listening!
It’s not that serious it’s just a fun little segment.
Preach Allie!! Thank you for your boldness!!!
This is a great illustration of why you need more than just a book and your own person opinion of how it should be interpreted.
First of all, the Bible is not "just a book." Second, it's not like this issue is in any way unclear, where Christians of sincere and genuine faith in Christ can come to different conclusions. When it comes to God's design for human sexuality, the Bible is clear from Genesis (Genesis 1:27 - So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them.) to Revelation (Revelation 22:15 - Outside are the dogs and sorcerers and the sexually immoral and murderers and idolaters, and everyone who loves and practices falsehood.)!
@Yesica1993 I don't think the poster was intending to downplay the Bible, but merely trying to argue that this system has it's weakness.
So you need a man who has no interest in women to explain to you how God and the world work? I don't think so.
@@swisschalet1658 Careful, Jesus didn't have an interest in women. So taper that idea 💡.
@@dman7668 My point was that the supposed weakness mentioned is not a weakness at all. I did my best to explain why.
I love God I love Jesus I love God’s word but this incredible division within the Protestant churches is super concerning. I don’t know who to fellowship with. I’m not deconstructing in my biblically based faith but I am on church it’s horrible to say but we suck as a bride of Christ I’m not a Catholic but they seem to be far more together than the Protestant 😢
The RCC is infested with false doctrines like salvation by works, confessing to a priest, perpetual virginity of Mary, praying to saints, etc.
There are so many churches that aren’t giving into these false agendas.
Yes many Churches are Rock solid when it comes to Biblical teachings. Find yourself one, sister.
You’d think that from the outside. But having been a Protestant converted Catholic, then reverted back to Protestant, I can say the Catholic world is divided too. There’s lots of infighting and fractured communities within the Catholic umbrella as well. Unfortunately Satan is at work in ALL churches and loves sowing disunity among the flock. Hence why finding a strong Bible believing and teaching church is important. If you’ve ever attended any of the Protestant churches that do NOT hold to strong scripture teaching, you’ll find a lot of “social gospel” with verses cherry picked out of context to support whatever topic they’re discussing and pushing. Finding an expository teaching church where they go verse by verse in context gives a much better scope of the Bible and its meaning. The Bible is about God and His nature and love for us. Trying to use it to prop up selfish motives of living your best life now will always fall short to a proper hermeneutic of scripture.
@@sarahsunshine78 The great thing about Protestant Churches is that we are bound by Scripture alone as the final authority. If Pastor X says homosexuality is a noble thing, he will only be met with laughter as our allegiance is to the Word of God and not a human being.
Recently went to my wife's grandparents United Methodist Center in Bristol. We had been there 4 or 5 years ago and it was alive and joyful. This time, at Easter, they had a man dressed as a woman leading worship and the woman leading the service kept trying to get the attendees to be excited about Easter but it was as if a demonic spirit had lulled them to sleep. It was truly saddening.
That is just weird.
I loved your conversation with Trent Horn.
Don't worry guys, the Seventh-day Adventist church is a happy home for all who live the Bible and history. :)
This plague coming to SDA as well. They embrace LGBTQ stuff
Is anyone surprised? This was a long time coming...we all saw it.
As a former UMC member, when my former church voted whether or not to stay with the Methodist church they did so in a sneaky way. We had a vote planned when the bishop came in and said we were not properly educated on why we needed to change things to be more inclusive. Then they planned to vote in a time that most conservative members could not attend and pulled all stings and brought in “members” that are very liberal. Most never actually attended church. Over half of the church left including the Paster. I’m very happy with our new church. Which is mostly comprised of the UMC members that left the left.
This is what will happen to most of the UMC they think they can drag their membership into this filth but true Christians will just leave and allow them to wallow in their filthy lifestyle until they grow tired of playing church and decide to attack some other institution.
I was raised in a united Methodist church. My home church broke away from the United Methodists in the recent split. It breaks my heart that there is so much sin and turmoil in my home church denomination even though I have gone to a Baptist church for years.