The lone African Methodist pastor holding up his Bible and proclaiming the Bible is the inspired word of God. He stood against this. A modern John the Baptist. I just loved his courage and honesty and love for God’s word and His church. A true saint.
@user-xf6qb2cx6q That kind of thinking and resolve is the reason why you have the Methodist’s apostasy. The answer is not to leave the denomination, but to safeguard it against the schemes of Satan. Christians who escaped their denomination have caused this chaos to the UMC
“He should leave the Methodist church”. That kind of thinking and resolve is the reason why you have the Methodist’s apostasy. The answer is not to leave the denomination, but to safeguard it against the schemes of Satan. Christians who escaped their denomination have caused this chaos to the UMC
elijeremiah: 100% agree with you. Does scripture state that homosexuality is a sin? Yes. Does scripture state that adultery is a sin? Yes. All the sins are named in the Bible, without ANY ambivalence. Is repentance of our sins a condition of salvation? Yes. And what does repentence require? It requires that we admit to each of our sins, and promise to avoid those particular sins in the future. No where in scripture are we given permission to wilfully continue those sins. Any church body (denomination) giving permission to continue homosexual sin within the body of Christ, is heretical. Let's be clear: The issue is not human desires, it's human action. All the preaching about "love," or "tolerance," or "acceptance," by these heretical churches, is nothing more than an effort to increase church membership and appear virtuous. So what are our alternatives if our church is engaging in the enabling of sin? Make our best effort to reform the church, and if it's not happening, we must leave that church. To remain is consent, whether we admit it or not. We are called upon to help each be righteous, not asked to enable sin. Lipstick on a pig, it's still a pig. The person we lie to the most, is ourselves.
@@clm3436Some of them may not know it, but that’s exactly what they’re doing. The works of John Money are more important to UMC now than the Word of God.
I was raised in the Methodist church. I am devastated but not surprised. This is not the Methodist church in which I was raised. I am heartbroken. Thank you, Ali, for covering this tragedy.
I was raised in the UMC too. What the denomination is now is nothing like it was. Now, my husband and I are attending a church with loose ties to the SBC. Just very sad and disappointing.
@@lorifrancis8171 same here! I was baptized and raised in the United Methodist church. We are raising our children there. I'm a choir director and my husband is highly involved in the goings on at our church. But this just absolutely breaks our hearts. While our little country church is not embracing these practices, it is heartbreaking to know that it's coming down from the conference and who knows how it'll effect our little church. It makes me so sad!
@@robinbeige5903 I couldn't even imagine trying to raise children during this time. The former UMC church where my parents are members did vote to break away. My sister, brother in law, and their 4 kids were attending that same church, but are now part of the "great de-churching" unfortunately. I know other denominations, especially Episcopal, are having problems too.
My parents left the UMC after 30+ years because the congregation at their church largely wanted to resist the progressive ideology invading the UMC, but the church leadership proceeded against the wishes of the congregation.
A big problem is they have the wrong view of Love. They think Love is tolerance, but they don’t understand that it involves discipline, punishment, sacrifice, and selflessness
If we truly love our neighbor, we would make sure they know God's truth. If we don't,they will end up in the eternal fire. Is it love to let people lose their souls 😢.
And instead of staying and working for the unity that Christ prayed for and protecting the flock that is being led astray... many of those people and their communities decided to run away, forsaking the church of their forefathers to the synagogue of Satan Edit: props to those who remain to fight for the truth of God
@@jarrahe I admire anyone who fights for what is right in a church / denomination. (Or anywhere else, for that matter!) But after a certain point, when you've fought as long and as hard as you can, what other choice do you have? There can be no unity in the biblical sense with people who have knowingly, intentionally walked away from God's Word in this manner. At some point, you eventually have no choice but separate. It's very sad.
These liberal women pushed the conservatives out they do this to all institutions they get their hands on , churches, scouting, clubs like the moose lodge
Does the Global Methodist accept members of the LGBTQ community into the congregation? If not, why not? Didn't Jesus say HE didn't come for the righteous, but to save sinners? What is the best way to save sinners? Introduce them to Christ in a non judgmental accepting manor. Then let Jesus help them "put off the old man and put on the new.
That's an interesting question. @daleparker741 Do you mean 'accept as you are'? Or 'love you too much to leave you there?' All sinners are welcome in true Jesus following churches, and God loves us all too much to leave us in our sinful mess!
@@jaqian a true Bible teaching church will change the people who go there. It should NEVER be the other way around. A requirement for any pastor/preacher is Leviticus 18. And they should practice what they preach. All the Bible needs to be taught, unapologetically. It is not our words, but God's.
We could see this coming and left our UMC over ten years ago. I was a life long Methodist and in my late 50s when we transferred to a Evangelical Presbyterian Church. Learned more biblical teaching is I the first two months than I had in my entire life as a Methodist. I have been born again, thank the Lord.
My wife has a relative who got saved out of the Congregational Church (UCC) and has a similar testimony. She learned more Bible in an independent Baptist Church for two years than 40+ years in the UCC. Unfortunately I still have family in that apostate group.
At the Episcopal church I used to attend, they fully embraced this "alternative" lifestyle. The male preacher had a husband. At one of his sermons, he told us "he has to deal with his husband's cr*p, literally"....that's when I knew it was time to head for the door. Never went back and never will.
My dad was a traditional Methodist minister. Even 60 years ago, he predicted that this would all happen. He is no longer with us, but I think he would be so saddened to see the church that meant so much to him has crumbled.
Aaah, yes, the Protestants. Luther must be proud right now of his "children". 🙄 Dr. Frankenstein. Rock concerts, yoga classes and trans pastors.. Yep, yep, a text-book example of why Tradition was important.. and why Sola Scriptura is a terrible - terrible - idea.
@@goofygrandlouis6296 Horrible argumentation from the one who's Pope is winking at sin and blessing homosexual Unions... Many of us in fact most of us push back against progressive Christianity affirming stuff that's not Christian or biblical. Also while you're at it,show me where you get this idea that Mary the sinner is sinless or should be prayed to. Asking for a friend!
@@rauldelarosa2768 A blessing is not an actual marriage. Besides, the current Pope is a "woke pope" (jesuits from Latin America..) 🙄 Mary is not prayed TO, she's prayed VIA (just like any other saint)
@@goofygrandlouis6296 blessing sin is still endorsing sin. Your pope did that and he along with you will have to answer to God while you endorse such sinful actions. Also there's nothing in Scripture that tells me I need to pray to Mary The sinner. I can come boldly to Christ .
@@rauldelarosa2768 Yes it is. And I don't agree with it. As for Mary, you know the Protestants are the exception, NOT the rule. Sola Scriptura is a pure invention from some monk in Germany, 15 centuries down the road. Catholics, Orthodox, Cooptic, Armenian, ..All of the rest of Christianity rely on Tradition as much as Scripture.
The Word of God is not affirmative, but transformative. Thank you speaking so eloquently on this topic, your speech is so thoughtful and precise, it sounds almost like pre-written poetry. God bless you!
I drive by a local Methodist church almost daily and it makes me so mad. There are literally more rainbow flags all over their property than crosses (only one cross on the building but dozens of flags everywhere else). I pray for their eyes to be open, to repent and tell the truth about what the Bible really says. They are purposely misleading.
same , there is one down the street and the rainbow flag is extra large. I used to go to the Episcopal church and all of them were gay priests. The devil is taking over these fake churches. The roman catholic church blessed Gay marriages which is blasphemy ! I just want Jesus to come now and save us all from this evil.
We have a liberal Catholic church near us that does the same thing. They don't worship christ. Did Jesus say worship is a hippie guy who doesn't judge anybody. Even a cursory reading of the Bible shows that that's not who he is even without any specific hermeneutics courses
I agree with you but I also see another angle - SIN does indeed identify a group - The LEFT - those goats that the King will put on His LEFT when He comes to take up His treasure.
Everyone has been given an identity from God being made in His image. God created male and female. We should reflect the image of God. When you've been made in God's image, you have the potential to reflect His qualities and character.
It is NOTHING but sexualizing children. To (try to) make everyone introduce themselves by ADVERTISING THEIR SEXUALITY...what in the world??? Some may say "no! It's not about sexuality...it's just being able to love who you want"...uh, no. Let's say you are a gay woman...who you LOVE is not the same as WHO YOU SHARE A SEXUAL BED WITH. I am straight...and I love plenty of other females...my daughter, my mother, my close female friends...but I do not have to DECLARE MY LOVE FOR THESE PEOPLE EVERY TIME I INTRODUCE MYSELF. So why must they insinuate right off the bat WHO THEY PREFER TO SLEEP WITH?? That is confusing for children. Why? Because the children ask...what is gay? What does it mean? And you have to explain to them...they love another woman/man, whatever...but it's NOT JUST THAT THEY LOVE THEM...after all, straight people love other people who they are not sleeping with. So then the children figure out quickly that there is something else...a different meaning of "love"...so then you have to explain what they mean by "love". NO! I'm not doing that. This is about erasing children's innocence for these crazy people's sins.
My kids are grown now but I used to tell them that gay people were when two men or two women are trying to have a relationship like a boyfriend and girlfriend or a husband and wife had and that God told us not to do that but these people don’t understand. I left it at that. No sex talk. Then, when they were older and we did have the sex talk, I didn’t have to explain the particulars of gay sex because they got the general idea and asked me. I just had to confirm.
@@Micah-6.8 I understand completely that you don't have to go into graphic detail to explain anything to children. Even heterosexuality is not explained to children until they are old and mature enough to understand, and even then you don't need to elaborate. Believe it or not, people figure out how it all works even if no one explains it, lol...and of course a wise parent will guide them in understanding the sacredness of the act, the necessity of marriage, etc...but I don't understand who ever thought is was OK to state WHO YOU HAVE SEX WITH as you introduce yourself to strangers ..."I'm a trans gay woman,"...or some such nonsense. I don't feel the need to put in a tidbit about my sex life when talking to strangers BUT THESE WEIRDOS DO!
....so, if scripture has drawn the line in the sand, why aren't they seeing it? The new offshoot has broken away, I'm sure they think they are interepreting the Scripture properly because they claim they are being led by the "spirit". They echo Martin Luther's words : " Unless I am convinced by the testimony of the Scriptures or by clear reason (for I do not trust either in the pope or in the councils alone, since it is well known that they have often erred and contradicted themselves), I am bound by the Scriptures I have quoted, and my conscience is captive to the Word of God.". I just hope that you as Protestants can se what is gong on here. They should be excomunicated from Christendom, because they are not Christian anymore. But how would they be excommunictaed? You have no authority to do that. They, on the other hand, will continue to call themselve Christian, and they will continue to confuse and mislead thousands of people.
@michaelfisher7170 You are so proud. You talk as if sexual abuse of children doesn't happen in Protestant churches, as if your pastors are all of them exempt from this sin. But leys take a real look, and let us scrutinize you the way the Catholic Church has been scrutinized, would you Protestants pass the test? No. You would not. Sexual abuse of children is just as much if not MORE SO in Protestant churches, the difference is that your little churches never get blasted fir it on the news. Your little churches don't keep records of everything that has happened in your church h for 50 years plus. We do, in the Catholic Church. In addition, your pastors not only sexually abuse children, but many murder their wives and commit all kinds of sexual sins. So get off of your perch and stop judging.
@michaelfisher7170 Recent studies have found that sexual abuse of children is just as prevalent in protesnt churches as it WAS in Catholicism. On top of that, your pastors also commit all kinds of sexual immoral sins. There's one in the news now of a pastor who murdered his wife, he's not the first one. Please stop being so proud and come with a way to eliminate sexual abuse of children in your own xhurch instead of pretending it's not happening there ,too.
The western Methodist churches affirm this but not us in Africa. I'm a Methodist in the Gambia and we were told inorder to receive grants from them we have to align with their stance. We refused and rejected the grants and everything they have to offer. It's not just us It's the same for Ghana, Nigeria, Sierra Leon to name a few. It's not the denomination but the individual churches out there in the west that have such affirmations.
I pray God keeps your church and all churches like yours in the palm of His hand, and adds all Godly things to your churches for not folding on His truth for gain. Praise our Lord, in Jesus's name, Amen.
I’m the daughter of a retired UMC pastor. Although I’m now Eastern Orthodox, I’m grieved to see the church I grew up in fall so far. Luckily, the specific parish I grew up in decided to leave the UMC order to keep their standards against sin. This whole thing started in the late 80’s-early 90’s. I remember a female pastor here in Cedar Rapids, Iowa fighting to be able to marry gay couples in the early 90’s. At the time, she was disciplined by the Iowa General Conference. Now look at them. SMH. How sad.
You said: *I remember a female pastor here in Cedar Rapids, Iowa fighting to be able to marry gay couples in the early 90’s* That's exactly how it all starts!!! with the ordination of female pastors!!!!
@@kevinrtres Not sure how to take your comment based on the tone, but I have heard the argument that since Paul does not permit female ordination (and this was virtually unchallenged for over 1900 years), to disagree with Paul on that point means there's nothing stopping you from disagreeing with Paul on other points, such as his condemnation of homosexual acts.
Interesting. I moved from the Methodist Church to the Eastern Orthodox Church also. I loved the Methodist church of my youth - it's so sad to know I can't go home again.
@@WillHerrmannIn the beginning God made them male and female, When Jesus Christ was asked about marriage,Jesus said, In the beginning God made them male and female, Doesn't anyone read the Bible anymore,Hey,Get this.. God made it real simple for us,A woman has the Lock, And a man has the Key, Biology teaches that much!
My sister is in a Methodist Church that is full old people and dying. They don't want to be part of the church if the Gays get to be pastors but they are all old and don't know where to go. Plus they have all financially given so much tot he building and they will loose everything they've invested in the building. I keep telling my sister get out now but she is stubborn.
My husband’s family is Methodist. There little church decided to break away from the big Methodist church. So they just continue to take care of their church and do what they need to do. I’m Catholic, so I don’t understand what that entails to break away, but that’s what they did.
@@emmaleebuzzard1023 in most denominations, it entails losing out on financial benefits. IE, money for new buildings, sponsorships for Missions abroad. Also, losing access to “employees” I guess you would say? Like, the Denomination seeking out a new pastor for you if yours wants to retire (or heaven forbid, becomes disqualified). Tough for smaller churches
Thank you for standing for solid, sound biblical teaching. Our world, and especially our fellow sisters in Christ need this feet on the ground faith, following in the footsteps of our Savior.
The Bible’s very clear we are to separate from the world and be a peculiar people.The biggest clue that these churches were going the wrong direction was allowing Women Preachers that’s not Biblical God never called a woman to lead a Church case closed.
The Bible is very clear about the grace of Christ and His Word provides hundreds of verses to back up the truth of God yet so many christians look to self and are taught by religion and the doctrine of mankind to depend on self for having salvation instead Jesus/God Himself, which the truth is that by His grace alone is mankind saved. All religions have fallen short of the glory of God and so many folks are not what God gave for them to be in which is His grace.
Not going to leave a voicemail but I found you during the recent Alastair Begg gay wedding controversy. You changed my mind on that topic and have been a listener ever since
Left the Methodist church I grew up in when I got saved and realized there was a disparity in preaching, disparity in doctrine, and my questions about the Bible went unanswered. The progression of the Methodist church toward apostasy has validated that decision. Praying those who come out of that mess find good churches elsewhere.
I went to a Methodist church for a short time, but after a while realized they were very corrupt while doing seemingly very Godly things. I was at a free lunch for the needy and the pastor have a nice sermon and said, anyone have any questions? A young man said he did and asked something about the Holy Spirit. The pastor's jaw worked, like he was angry about something, and he said, I'll answer it later after the lunch. He never did. He had been in ministry for years and always dismissed the Holy Spirit, any of that tongue talking nonsense, healing, prophecy. He had an older lay pastor who corrupted his assistant pastor sexually, and he should have seen it. I could go on, but church was just a habit for these people, they were really quite lukewarm. I don't know where they are with this latest development but I had to distance my self from them, one ex friend was getting into weird serpentine labyrinths, all sorts of weird stuff going on. The pastor started asking one if the uneducated welfare women who came to free church meals, about that Holy Spirit stuff. She wouldn't tell them anything, they were not really nice to her and treated her badly. There are people who have fake tongues, or even are just corrupt and have the real thing. But there are people who are honest and Godly even when no one is looking. But they waited till the end of the ball to learn how to dance.
I went through this with the United Church of Christ awhile ago. I've had to grieve my childhood church that went absolutely crazy. UCC literally had "Woke Easter" on their X account and almost every post has been about LGBTQ for the last several years. It's gross what these churches are doing. I left and am now going to a Catholic church with my husband who is Catholic.
Unironically there IS in fact a Woke Easter. It is described by the Marxist evangelist Paulo Frieri who literally calls it Easter, just a Communist/Marxist one. It is heresy of the highest order, telling you that YOU are God, and that you must die and be reborn as a kind of Woke Jesus to save the world. It is literally a modern version of the snake tempting Eve in the Garden of Eden, promising that she will become like God. Which is why now all if a sudden you are godly enough to die on the cross of Marxism to save the world. Listen to this short video by James Lindsay, who documents this abomination: th-cam.com/video/uBQkpqII_8Y/w-d-xo.htmlsi=wXd95IbLqhWxPTPf You should also watch his longer video The Marxification of the church. It will tell you everything you need to know about this insidious infection. It is a cult religion, and it is now very effective. None of us can just lean back and "hope for the best", we cannot trust that it'll just work out in the end, if we do ... the mind virus wins.
I pray that you are both saved and will be joining Jesus upon your last breath. The Catholic church isn't on the narrow gate path either. Please be careful, be certain of where your destiny lies. It saddens the Lord when his sheep avoid one wolf, only to fall into the jaws of another.
Us too. Our congregation overwhelmingly agreed to dissafiliate from the UMC a couple of years ago. I believe that the few that didn't agree did not know or want to believe all that was going on. Still, so sad it had to be this way.
I used to teach children and help with the kids choir at my local methodist church but for the sake of my own children we left and joined a SBC church. It's really a shame.
I can't go to an SBC church, either. I am a theological conservative. But my problem with most conservative churches in America is that they have bowed the knee to political conservatism and hyper-individualism the same way the liberal churches have bowed the knee to political progressivism and socialism. Politics OWNS our churches today. It is a golden calf that American Christians worship. And we use it to divide us into camps that we seek to destroy at all costs. I hate this idol. And I hate that it is more important than anything to us. POLITICS IS NOT OUR PURPOSE IN LIFE!!!
@@jamestrotter3162 Thumbs down because it is sad, not because there’s any disagreement with your statement, you are correct as their lack of faith follows with the Bible teaching.
I am a Methodist pastor's daughter, now a Catholic convert. I will always have fond memories and appreciation of where I come from, but I can't say I'm surprised. Christians of all stripes HAVE to get a cohesive theology of the body and pro life ethic. Straight people have been blowing up the sanctity of marriage and sexuality for decades.
It does not matter what religion a person is in because what matters is the true saving grace of God and Jesus being the true saving grace, believing is what matters. All religions have fallen short of what God intended for religion to be and every church sets its own doctrines, regardless of the religion. As you state so about the methodist religion, same can be applied to the catholic religion and honestly there are far worse doctrines in the catholic religion than others. I do not say this to condone any religion above another because all religions are fallen in some ways, sort of fashion and God is not please with the way mankind has taking it upon itself the man-made traditions and doctrines that it has and calling another religion at fault yet being in the same cup of fault in a different subject. The best thing a person can do for self is to step out of the religion mindset and step into the embrace of the truth Word of God the Bible and foremost believe God and ask Him for His wisdom and being the way maker that mankind religion would be the last thing on the mind. Anyhow, please know am not judging in any way, simply stating what was on my heart to profess and do what you will with it but may God Himself be the way maker for you and your loved ones, in Jesus name, Amen. 🤍🕊️🤍
Christians don't own marriage and you have a cheek as a catholic to even mention sexuality. Get that plank out of your own eye first. Turn over your documentation on child abusing priests to the proper authorities.
@@John_Lete how do you figure that us Catholics do so much wrong but we have never wavered on all the issues that matter. No women’s ordination, no gay marriage, no abortion, no euthanasia. Every Protestant denomination is off in left field one way or another, but not us. Thanks be to God that I’m a Catholic.
It is catholic pope who allow homosexually marriage and I believe it is is the so called catholic church officially spreading the act of homosexuality than in any other church. Also i believe that the acts of homosexuality is everywhere in everywhere church in the world. But catholic church share the the most.
There's a Methodist church near me. Years ago when the denomination started to embrace this wickedness they changed to the "[Insert town name here] Village Church". Im not a Methodist but God bless them for sticking with truth. Condoning sin and calling evil good and good evil is an issue to split over. You cannot brook fundamental evil like that.
"Having a hope in God that there shall certainly be a resurrection of the righteous and the wicked (16) I do my best to maintain a blameless conscience before God and men." Acts 24:15,16
It's sad because a lot of us who attend UMC are not for this! Unfortunately, the clergy that were present were more liberal and a vote wasn't even discussed. It just went through like it was nothing. It would not have passed if the African countries were represented, but from what I've read, many of the African clergy could not obtain a Visa to attend the conference. I was born and raised in the UMC. A small little country church that I've always been highly involved in. At this point, we are trying to hold on as we are not practicing what was just passed.....yet. However, I don't know what it holds for our little church and if we'll be staying.
I maintain that the majority of the people in the pews are conservative/traditional and do not support this. Unfortunately, the delegates' votes are not representative of the people in the pews. I was heartbroken at the disgraceful treatment of the African delegates, both in how the ones who were able to be there were treated and in the late invitation letters that didn't give 25-30% of them a chance to get their visas.
My grandmother was a devout Methodist member and couldn’t bring herself to speak about the issue because it saddened her so much. When a church divides it’s so terribly sad.
Unlike Trent horn I was raised with no religion. About 35 or so I ended up in the church of Christ. Least they held to the Bible. But like Trent. I'm a Catholic convert. And like him orthodox, but not necessarily Rad trad This thing with a methodist church is very sad. They are throwing out scripture. As the Episcopal Church did when I was part of it. There seems to be a move within all churches. 2 accept perversion. It is called Cowardice. I don't know what else to call it. It is people too afraid to stand for the truth Scriptures, say there will come a time when the love of many will grow cold. I believe we are at that point. But I'll say one thing, Christians of all denominations better wake up. Instead of condemning one another to hell as it was when I was in the church of Christ. And stand against what's going on in our society. We are now living in a post Christian era, and if we don't wake up, there will be no Christians left.
This is why God is not with any religion because all religions have become nothing more than a building with the name of God stuck on it yet on the inside so many souls are lost because they know not the grace of Christ. Sin is sin and regardless of the sin, small or great, it is sin in the sight of God and the only way a person is washed clean, it is by the grace of Jesus whom is God. Holy Spirit is stuck in the back pocket by many so called christians and thus it is why so many have no growth in their walk with Christ and at the same time have no true understanding of the saving grace of God which actually saves.
The problem before cowardice is they just believe in Christ or the need for his sacrifice. If they believed, they would have faith and understanding which would help them to stand firm.
@@ohthankg-dforthebourgeoisi9800 Well if people aren't getting born again and don't think that Christ's blood atonement and resurrection is what saved us and think they are going to somehow earn their way, there will continue to be division. This is why I've never belonged to a denomination; traditions are held in the same esteem or even above Christ. A lot of traditions in churches have become idols to those churches. It doesn’t help that we are living in the time of apostasy. Finding a church that isn’t blasphemous, lukewarm, or heretical is quite difficult. The gospel is actually very simple, but man has tried it’s best to make it extremely difficult. When we are born again we are a new creation.
I am a Life long Methodist that’s been feeling disconnected for the past 8 years. It’s only bc of my husband that I still go. I’ve become part of an online community of a CA church that’s help disciple and spiritually nourish me.
I am appalled by how totally corrupt the Methodist Church has become as it is now totally “woke” with people having to identify their pronouns to supporting “inclusive” homosexuality (which everyone seems to call lgbt quips today). I have some family history in the Methodist church as my grandfather was a Methodist missionary in Indonesia where my mother was born. He had a deep, sincere, and abiding love of God as his Divine friend. When I started to consider ministry I naturally approached a Methodist Church Pastor. He gave me a book to read, "Methodists and the Making of America" by Charles W. Ferguson. Charles Wesley held Church meetings very often in outdoor settings. He was very charismatic and the Holy Spirit was definitely a part of his ministry, converting many that heard him speak. Wesley held many large outdoor meetings in America where as many as 500 people at a time would fall down, convicted by the Holy Spirit. These large gatherings, later called Chautauquas, and the Methodist circuit rider preachers led to the formation of several Universities which are still in existence today. Then in the 1890s there was a schism that developed in the Methodist Church, and the Holiness Church and the Pentecostal Church split away from the Methodist Church. I am pretty sure that is why the Methodist Church still has the red flame as part of its logo, leftover from the days when the Methodist Church was still "on fire" with the Holy Spirit - which it has not been since the 1890s. Those days are sadly long gone but, I never would have imagined that it would come to this, where the modern Methodist Church would turn totally woke by supporting and teaching twisted Scripture, bent to support Marxism, feminism, Theosophy, and Occultism. Please bare in mind that the mothers of feminism, starting at the time of the French Revolution in the late 1700s followed Theosophy and the teaching of the occultist Madame Blavatsky. These teachings were about the serpent (Satan) having given supposed sacred teachings to Eve to give her power over men, and power over God. This teaching is at the heart of feminism. To put it as clearly as I can, Theosophy and Blavatsky teach and assert that Satan is the good guy, and God is the bad guy. Wake up good people, there is nothing good, pure, noble, or just about feminism. Feminism seeks to destroy God, destroy religion, destroy the family, destroy society, and destroy men. And now with Progressive Christianity, the beast has gotten into the Church where even the elect can be deceived, so powerful is the weapon of the lie. Do not be deceived about people trying to assert that all truth is relative, i.e., “Stand Point Theory”, and “Critical Theory”, where there is no absolute truth or God given truth, only how "I" feel based on the narcissistic worship of my own "Self". This is a lie that is purely fueled by Marxism/feminism/Theosophy/Occultism. John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
I am a UMC Sunday School teacher. I am a theological conservative (and a Navy veteran). I have debated leaving our church for a few years now. But the only reason I am even at this church is because I was made unwelcome at the Baptist church I formerly attended because I would not make conservative politics my life priority. Most conservative churches in America have bowed the knee to political conservatism and hyper-individualist philosophy (Objectivism, etc.) the same way the liberal churches have bowed the knee to political progressivism and socialist philosophy (Marxism, etc.) Both approaches are utterly unbiblical. Politics OWNS our churches today. It is a golden calf that American Christians worship. And we use it to divide us into camps that we seek to destroy at all costs. I hate this idol. And I hate that it is more important than anything to us. I will not bow my knee to either Old Glory or the Rainbow flag. POLITICS IS NOT OUR PURPOSE IN LIFE!!!
@@redink71Thank you? Popes come and go, good and bad, they’re all human. But dogma is unchangedable and the Catholic Church will endure always faithful to our Lord until His Second Coming.
Oh lord! @22:36 and beyond sounds more like a CULT and NOT a church. 🐑 🐑 These so-called leaders should be ashamed! Our identities should not be based on our skin color and who we have sex with. Our identity as Christians is in Christ alone. Sad
My grandfather would flip if he was alive. Not the fact of people leaving the Methodist Church just the fact of what the Methodist Church is agreeing to.
My dear brothers and sisters from United Methodist...WHY? Note: I am a Catholic Christian. I am not a member of the Methodist church, but felt compelled to ask my above question to you. WHY? Why are you doing this? What do you believe you're gaining by accepting these modern day idealogies into your practices?
We got some shady shit going on in our church too. Vague “blessings for people in irregular unions” “deaconesses” rolling out soon, creeps in high up roles of power and good holy men getting the boot. We all need to pray!
Also I love the phrasing “I’m a Catholic Christian” I’m gonna be borrowing that. I hate when I get posed the question: “are you Christian or are you Catholic” (I literally got disinvited to a friends church after I answered her question “I’m Catholic” - she said “oh then you won’t want to come to my Christian church. Never mind” like what??)
its nor that conservative. They still suffer women to preach. which is what started this whole mess. Once the alphabet people destroy the UMC ( give it 5 years) they will move to the GMC. I don't think they tighten up enough to make it clear they are nor nor ever will be welcome. If they don't they will be invaded again. Satan is relentless.
Loved every bit of this, the verbiage you used was so spot on and intentional. This video is 100% the reason why we currently have 3% of the 65-75% population of Christians admitting to a Biblical Worldview. Who is on your throne: the Creator or self? A Biblical worldview makes the road super narrow, but it does bring true freedom. 🙌🏻
I am Roman Catholic and I watch all your videos, there were few UMC around here that they had the lg.... flag, suddenly they removed that flag and change their name. Now it makes sense why.
@@ciscotx74 I used to attend Novus Ordo, now is like protestant mas but with our Blessed Virgin Mary present, after attending Bible study in different churches, Traditional Latin Mass is the one keeps the most traditions our Lord Jesus Christ left for us, as the most important, the Eucharist , so much respect and veneration receving
Sadly @AllieBethStuckey, this episode just barely scratches the surface of what happened, why it happened, why so many left, why so many didn’t leave and what no one in the press is privy to. You should really interview Keith Boyette or Rob Renfroe (who lives not far from you). They can go way deeper and tell you how truly evil, in my opinion, this General Conference was. The unbelievable hypocrisy of these liberal UM’s towards their African brothers and sisters is just appalling, disgusting and unchristian. As a former UM who helped lead their local church out of the denomination, I could tell you some things but I’m no authority or anything like that. It would make you sick to know what was happening behind the scenes at the UMC General Conference. It’s so sad. Heartbreaking. So glad my church got out when it did. Some had to sue in order to leave. So sad. Thank you for bringing some of this to light though. You’re an awesome woman of God. God Bless!
Take no part in the unfruitful works of darkness, but instead expose them. My mom's started going to church again in the past few years unfortunately to UMC. I'd love if Allie could talk to these guys if it helped her see
Beth, as a Catholic, I want to sincerely thank you for the insightful interview you conducted with Trent Horn. It was academically rigorous and highly respectful. Please continue having more conversations like this with other thoughtful Catholics.
Spencer Smith, is that you? 😅😅😅😅 "we were never in Rome to begin with we go back thousands of years blah blah blah" You can say you are not protestant. But newsflash, you are.
Baptists are most definitely protestant. Any western christian church that is separate from the Roman Catholic Church and follows the principles of the Reformation such as Sola Scriptura is a protestant
@@777igg The Baptist Church is just another offshoot of the protestant reformation. The commenter above who tried to deny this belongs to a small view among baptists, that they magically existed since the time of the Apostles. Which there doesn't seem to be any historical evidence of this at all.
You are Protestant, but that’s not a bad thing, so there is no reason to deny it. Any denomination that was spun off of the Catholic Church is, by definition, Protestant.
Our church voted unanimously to withdraw from the UMC last October. We have to pay the exit fee by May 31. I'm glad we will be officially out very soon.
I enjoyed the discussion with Trent Horn. I can see that we all genuinely love Jesus Christ and are doing our best to follow Him faithfully. I'm Catholic and believe that we can learn a great deal from our Protestant brothers and sisters in loving scripture so deeply. Although Catholics tend to know the content of the bible very well, we often can't cite passages like our Christian siblings can.
The more I pay attention to what is going on in the world is pretty scary. With the internet and social media. I am seeing how there are so much horrible and disgusting things that are out in the world. I wasn't looking for anything but I ended up seeing things and now I always have to keep my eyes open. Things that were ones controversial are not anymore. Darkness is shown everywhere as if it's normal because evil is now good and good is looked as evil. We have to believe that spiritual is at play. I know there are lots of people out there that believe in spiritual battle. Keep praying everyone especially for our children that on constant attack. 🙏
Thank the Lord everyday for the leadership in my church and for a wonderful pastor, we left the United Methodist Church and joined the global Methodist Church ♥️
Them saying “adult” really weirds me out… what else would they be? Why do these grown people need to announce they’re an adult… they say this as if you can identify as a different age…this is really concerning 😬
Hi Alley, I respect your standing up for our Christian faith in this crazy time. I am a 67-year Christian, saved at 33. This is such an important show. Im wondering why you feel you have to mention outfits at the Met gala? I really think most people really dont care. Do YOU really care? Please don't do it just to try to be relevant. You should know that we could go to NBC or ABC or NPR if we wanted to hear about that. Suggestion: Find fun things happening in the community, heart-warming stuff that fits so much better on your show. Thanks for listening!
15:00..you mentioned that these UMC people decided to abandon the true Christiany, abandon Church history, abandon creeds, abandon the bible al together.... and remake this denomination into "our image". You are not going to like that I say this, but this is exactly what the "reformers" did to the Catholic Church. They abandoned true Christianity, the abandoned Church history so much so that most Protestants don't know that Christianity existed before 1517, and that the bible did not fall down from the sky in its current form. They abandoned the Creed because it contains the word "catholic" and because its a recited prayer. Yes, they abandoned TRUE Christianity because none of the dogmas that were born out of the reformation by Protestants were in existance before 1517. Such as the dogma of "faith alone" and "scripture alone". Yes, although Protestants did not abandon Scripture al together, they did eventually do violence to scripture by removing books out of the bible to get the ever so irksome number 66. And yes, I am Catholic. But I hope Methodists feel what we as Catholics feel when you as Protestants glorify the so called REFORMATION. But, isnt that what this new denimination is trying to do? Are they not trying to reform the Methodist Church, have failed and made their own church instead? This kind of break off happens thousands of times in Protestantism, and this is how little by little 500 years later we have THOUSANDS of Protestant churches which in the end just make a MOCKERY of Christendom.
You need to differentiate between the catholic church and the Roman Catholic church. Catholic means universal, Roman Catholic means the brand of Christianity that the Roman government brought into existence by integrating all of the temple priests and all the other Celtic religions that were paid actors by the Roman state. They just integrated those people in to the Roman Catholic tent without considering the damage that their heretical views would have on the formation of the Roman Catholic church. Catholic yes, Roman Catholic not so much.
The same is happening here, in Canada, with the Salvation Army. I see the the Angels going through 'the Church' separating the wheat from the tares. Our church recently separated from the Baptist organization over the same issue. The organization attempted to intimidate us into acceptance of sin by threatening to take our church away from us. We told them where to go.. in a manner of speaking.. haha.
There aren't different ways to enter Heaven (Catholicism, Mormonism, Orthodoxes, Lutherans, Jehovah's Witnesses, Methodists, etc...), there is only one way to Heaven (Christianity of the Bible). Please, repent before it is too late.
I can certainly agree true repentance is not discussed nearly enough. Unfortunately, too many are too narcissistic to sew their need for that type of walking away from sin.
I’m 65 . When I was in my 20’s there was a transgender woman ( a man) in the choir at the local United Methodist Church . I would frequently see him shopping at the local market and mentioned it to my friend. She attended Calvary chapel with me and knew exactly who he was as she had gone to see the choir at that church at her dad’s request. ( she went there growing up) . My point is the united Methodist have been liberal for years
@@kristenharden3157 well I did neglect to mention that this was in Huntington Beach Calif. I knew another family that attended there and the daughter my age told me the was no such thing as the devil ( Satan) we were about 11. Then another friend that went there and later converted to Latter Day Saints told me she was never told about the trinity there . Apparently it was not a good church at all.
I was raised Methodist but I left over this issue nearly a decade ago. It was a major eye-opening moment for my younger, naive self to see so many members (and leaders in particular) suddenly 'realize' that they had been wrong in their interpretation of scripture regarding the sinfulness of homosexuality at precisely the time scotus forced it on the country.
Your debate yesterday helped me decide what church I should go to! I’ve found God recently and have been wrestling with Catholicism vs Non denominational and your video yesterday helped me realize the Catholic Church is not for me
My old pastor Rev.Bob Ducan and my Uncle Rev. Fred Martin are rolling over in their Graves. I left the Methodist church yrs ago because I saw them not living what they were preaching. I pray for all of them to turn back to God's truth and word. Love and prayers to you all
I would say their choice of song at the end was actually perfect. It says people of the world, and that's what they are. They're definitely not people of the church.
Went through this in the Episcopal church and unfortunately it is on life support as a result. After a long journey, my husband and I and our children joined the Orthodox Church this year. Such a breath of fresh air to be on solid foundation.
I grew up in the United Methodist Church. I was confirmed when I was 12. I left that church because I saw no love in most of the congregation. My Dad was on the administrative Board and he was always talking about how petty the other board members were. I was a certified lay minister as well. To say that I am disgusted by this turn of events is a gross understatement... but truthfully I am not surprised. Many of the mainstream "Christian" denominations are apostate in varying degrees. But that is like being "just a little bit pregnant". The fruit tells the story. And it is distressing. The lack of love and compassion is horrifying. The pharisaical self righteousness and condemnation is so very prominent in many of these congregations. BUT... it seems that they have no discernment either. And they fall into a pit that come from not being able to discern that loving others does not mean condoning their sin. You can love and have compassion for hurting people without condoning their behavior. I treat everyone with dignity and respect. I am fully aware that I am a sinner and that "but the grace of God there goeth I" so I do not condemn anyone. That is for God alone. But I will not condone sin. If the sin is exposed then it has to be a part of the equation. You do not just accept detrimental behaviors. They may believe that it doesn't hurt anyone but that is a clever deception by the Adversary. A good parent does not condone bad behavior but they also do not shun their child and berate them mercilessly. In some case the child doesn't know why what they did is so wrong. They lack the ability to sort through the ramifications and ripple effects of their actions. This is true with people in persistent sin. They are blinded by their desires as to why it is harmful to them and others. I have known many homosexuals ( they aren't gay or lesbian... they are homosexual...period ) and under the veneer of outward contentment they are miserable. Some of the most broken people I have ever known were in that boat. And sadly they lash out at others for "judging" them when the true judgement lies within them. They know deep down something is wrong but they feel helpless to do anything about it. This is the secret harm of these behaviors. People who think they should have been born the opposite sex are not healthy. It is wrong to ignore the symptoms of any sickness. If you have a disability that may develop into something life threatening, you do not hide it just because "people may talk". You seek treatment. I am sorry but the "trans" movement is a mental health issue. And nothing we do will help it until the illness is recognized and addressed. The UMC has fallen in the pit by condoning a detrimental behavior. If someone that identifies as LGBTQ attends your church service you should treat them with dignity and respect. You should not shun them at all. BUT you must not affirm their behavior either. If a junkie wanders in off the street it would be the same thing. Love, compassion, dignity and respect but you DO NOT affirm their drug use! You show them a better way. You rely on the transformative power of the Almighty King of the Universe to help you HELP THEM. God can do ANYTHING. Our faith is the limitation not His power. Shame on the congregations of the UMC for letting this come to this point. The saltiness has gone from your faith. God can forgive anything. I beg you to rexamine your choices and lay them at the foot of the cross. The demnination may be dead but you are redeemable until the moment of death.
Methodist here. My family and I left the United Methodist Church (UMC) years ago and joined the Global Methodist Church (GMC). The Global Methodist Church is a Methodist denomination within Protestant Christianity subscribing to views that were propounded by the conservative Confessing Movement. I think in large part the reason the UMC is becoming so far left and woke is because conservatives like myself left the UMC. This should be a warning to others - try to reform before departing, otherwise what you leave behind for others will become far worse. We left because we saw no path to change.
Yep we left mid 2020 because the specific church we were apart of we knew were leaning this way and we were like nope we cannot stay where they are changing what the bible clearly stands against.
i am glad to be an Orthodox Christian. this is what happens when you ignore church history and oral tradition. i do not know what Protestants expect to happen to their churches other than this. may God have mercy on us all
Always love your videos & Christian point of view, Allie. I'm kinda a fan myself even though I haven't watched many of your episodes but your videos are always encouraging. Never stop telling others why we need God in our lives.
It was an edifying dignified discussion which was respectful between yourself and Trent. I especially liked the fact that Trent was considerate towards you being a seasoned apologist. This is from me a devout Catholic.
There was a street preacher preaching outside this convention, rebuking them for their sin. He saw several men in skirts/dresses going in to this conference. Also, where we're from, the Methodist church has literally locked the doors/changed the locks or whatever to pastors and congregations that will not go along with their "acceptance". They have had to find new buildings and start over.
2 Timothy 4:2-4 KJV Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine. [3] For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; [4] And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
I was raised in a united Methodist church. My home church broke away from the United Methodists in the recent split. It breaks my heart that there is so much sin and turmoil in my home church denomination even though I have gone to a Baptist church for years.
I have observed that some of the strongest protestant leaders have become Catholic, and weak Catholics become protestant.. I am a life-long Catholic, love my faith in Christ, love Mary because she is Jesus' Holy Mother. As a mother, I am so sad how many treat her with such disrespect. How hurtful it must be to Christ as well, and God - who chose her must have justified anger toward those who snub her or disrespect her. She takes nothing away from Christ, she was the model of humility. Protestants have a lot to learn, but that is okay, we respect you. We have our own issues with lax Catholics that for some reason failed to recognize the gift of the faith they were given. One thing for sure, we should all live in peace and pray to always be guided by the Holy Spirit in Truth.
@@janglalgoupiak1891 mediatrix is a title. That does not constitute worship. We understand that grace does not originate from her. Mary is a creature. She is nothing next to God.
It is catholic pope who allow homosexually marriage and I believe it is is the so called catholic church officially spreading the act of homosexuality than in any other church. Also i believe that the acts of homosexuality is everywhere in everywhere church in the world. But catholic church share the the most.
Our small country church saw the storm coming and went through the formal disaffiliation process. So glad we did. We are focused on loving God with all our heart and our neighbors as ourselves and we are thriving!
You changed my mind on IVF & surrogacy for sure! Thank you! Also, I always enjoy your commentaries on the celebrity outfits. 😂 It's nice to have a few light-hearted segments and since I don't pay attention to celebrities otherwise, it helps keep me up to date a little in this crazy world.
I was raised Baptist, but my husband and I just visited a Methodist church for the first time last Sunday (looking for a church in the area we just moved to). They're "Wesleyan Methodist", which as I understand it means that they don't support LGBTQ stuff at all. It's in their doctrine and beliefs statement that they don't. So I hope people aren't from now on turned off to any and all churches that are "Methodist" -- just do a little digging! Maybe they're a great, Bible-honoring church that's just right for you! We enjoyed our visit at the one we went to, and are considering it. :) The clips you showed are _horrifying_ 😂 and not at all what we experienced. The Wesleyan Methodist church we visited was very traditional and lovely. What was even MORE horrifying though were those Met Gala outfits 👀
I was raised a Methodist and was very active until about 5 years ago. That was about the time the indoctrination of affirming LGBTQ+ became a big push. There were clergy who had taken vows and then when they became pastors or bishops, they openly denounced those vows. And instead of removing them, which was in the Book of Discipline, the LGBTQ+ refused to go and the conference bowed down because they didn't want that negative press. So now it's been taken over. It's heartbreaking that they have purposely split the church in order to blend onto the world vs God's Word.
The lone African Methodist pastor holding up his Bible and proclaiming the Bible is the inspired word of God. He stood against this. A modern John the Baptist. I just loved his courage and honesty and love for God’s word and His church. A true saint.
He's from my country, Liberia❤
@user-xf6qb2cx6q That kind of thinking and resolve is the reason why you have the Methodist’s apostasy. The answer is not to leave the denomination, but to safeguard it against the schemes of Satan. Christians who escaped their denomination have caused this chaos to the UMC
“He should leave the Methodist church”. That kind of thinking and resolve is the reason why you have the Methodist’s apostasy. The answer is not to leave the denomination, but to safeguard it against the schemes of Satan. Christians who escaped their denomination have caused this chaos to the UMC
It is sad the Christian community didn't use their voice to support him. 😢
@user-xf6qb2cx6q The United Methodists have left. They were run out of their own church by Unitarians.
Them announcing their sexualities and pronouns is so demonic! Christianity is about Christ the King, not self-acceptance
And why are they stating that they are adult? Isn't that obvious? Or are they saying you can identify as something other than adult?
elijeremiah: 100% agree with you.
Does scripture state that homosexuality is a sin?
Yes.
Does scripture state that adultery is a sin? Yes.
All the sins are named in the Bible, without ANY ambivalence.
Is repentance of our sins a condition of salvation? Yes.
And what does repentence require? It requires that we admit to each of our sins, and promise to avoid those particular sins in the future.
No where in scripture are we given permission to wilfully continue those sins.
Any church body (denomination) giving permission to continue homosexual sin within the body of Christ, is heretical.
Let's be clear: The issue is not human desires, it's human action.
All the preaching about "love," or "tolerance," or "acceptance," by these heretical churches, is nothing more than an effort to increase church membership and appear virtuous.
So what are our alternatives if our church is engaging in the enabling of sin?
Make our best effort to reform the church, and if it's not happening, we must leave that church. To remain is consent, whether we admit it or not.
We are called upon to help each be righteous, not asked to enable sin.
Lipstick on a pig, it's still a pig.
The person we lie to the most, is ourselves.
Amen
@@clm3436Some of them may not know it, but that’s exactly what they’re doing. The works of John Money are more important to UMC now than the Word of God.
Self-acceptance? I'd call it full-blown perversion of a God-given identity! Blessings 🙏
Paul would be writing so hard right now
He would say, if you haven't read Romans 1 yet, let me repeat it again, so you little milk drinking children can understand.
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St Paul’s pens would be breaking.
He'd be at the convention firing it up
I was raised in the Methodist church. I am devastated but not surprised. This is not the Methodist church in which I was raised. I am heartbroken. Thank you, Ali, for covering this tragedy.
Hugs. I’m heartbroken too. The UMC was home for ten years.
I was raised in the UMC too. What the denomination is now is nothing like it was. Now, my husband and I are attending a church with loose ties to the SBC. Just very sad and disappointing.
@@lorifrancis8171 same here! I was baptized and raised in the United Methodist church. We are raising our children there. I'm a choir director and my husband is highly involved in the goings on at our church. But this just absolutely breaks our hearts. While our little country church is not embracing these practices, it is heartbreaking to know that it's coming down from the conference and who knows how it'll effect our little church. It makes me so sad!
@@robinbeige5903 I couldn't even imagine trying to raise children during this time. The former UMC church where my parents are members did vote to break away. My sister, brother in law, and their 4 kids were attending that same church, but are now part of the "great de-churching" unfortunately. I know other denominations, especially Episcopal, are having problems too.
My parents left the UMC after 30+ years because the congregation at their church largely wanted to resist the progressive ideology invading the UMC, but the church leadership proceeded against the wishes of the congregation.
I am so glad the African Methodist church rejected this and broke off
25% of US Methodist churches broke away too & now are part of a different church organization of the US churches that left.
AME Ordain women bishop and elder and pastor not any better God Us😢
The African Methodists have not been allowed to break off.. I'm sure that's in the works eventually God willing.
A big problem is they have the wrong view of Love. They think Love is tolerance, but they don’t understand that it involves discipline, punishment, sacrifice, and selflessness
Also. Sexual orientation. It's called lust and sexual immorality. We're gonna call that love?
Actually, they seem to be confusing love and lust.
As far as church growth, it's a brilliant move for the UMC - and the enemy.
If we truly love our neighbor, we would make sure they know God's truth. If we don't,they will end up in the eternal fire. Is it love to let people lose their souls 😢.
Toxic empathy
To be fair there are Methodists that fought against this.
And instead of staying and working for the unity that Christ prayed for and protecting the flock that is being led astray... many of those people and their communities decided to run away, forsaking the church of their forefathers to the synagogue of Satan
Edit: props to those who remain to fight for the truth of God
Obviously not nearly enough.
@@jarrahe I admire anyone who fights for what is right in a church / denomination. (Or anywhere else, for that matter!) But after a certain point, when you've fought as long and as hard as you can, what other choice do you have? There can be no unity in the biblical sense with people who have knowingly, intentionally walked away from God's Word in this manner. At some point, you eventually have no choice but separate. It's very sad.
These liberal women pushed the conservatives out they do this to all institutions they get their hands on , churches, scouting, clubs like the moose lodge
Liberel woman ruin everything
As a Global Methodist pastor,my church and I broke away from the UMC as we knew the UMC was going to do what they dud.
Does the Global Methodist accept members of the LGBTQ community into the congregation? If not, why not? Didn't Jesus say HE didn't come for the righteous, but to save sinners? What is the best way to save sinners? Introduce them to Christ in a non judgmental accepting manor. Then let Jesus help them "put off the old man and put on the new.
@@daleparker741No idea if they are but they can be members of a church without having to change it
That's an interesting question. @daleparker741 Do you mean 'accept as you are'? Or 'love you too much to leave you there?'
All sinners are welcome in true Jesus following churches, and God loves us all too much to leave us in our sinful mess!
@@jaqian a true Bible teaching church will change the people who go there. It should NEVER be the other way around. A requirement for any pastor/preacher is Leviticus 18. And they should practice what they preach. All the Bible needs to be taught, unapologetically. It is not our words, but God's.
God bless the Global Methodists!!
It's actually better for a church to make known publicly what their ideology is, so that true Christians can avoid it.
You won’t be missed lmao. Bye bye
There are wolves in sheep's clothing everywhere!!! Let's protect the church
We could see this coming and left our UMC over ten years ago. I was a life long Methodist and in my late 50s when we transferred to a Evangelical Presbyterian Church. Learned more biblical teaching is I the first two months than I had in my entire life as a Methodist. I have been born again, thank the Lord.
God bless you!🌺🙂
My wife has a relative who got saved out of the Congregational Church (UCC) and has a similar testimony. She learned more Bible in an independent Baptist Church for two years than 40+ years in the UCC. Unfortunately I still have family in that apostate group.
I moved to Presbyterian church PCA
Read the bible!!! Men lie the book doesnt!
Welcome to the EPC!
At the Episcopal church I used to attend, they fully embraced this "alternative" lifestyle. The male preacher had a husband. At one of his sermons, he told us "he has to deal with his husband's cr*p, literally"....that's when I knew it was time to head for the door. Never went back and never will.
That. Is. So. Gross.
Wow 😳
Wahhh!!??
Oh my goodness that is graphic
Leaving such a church is the ONLY appropriate response.
My dad was a traditional Methodist minister. Even 60 years ago, he predicted that this would all happen. He is no longer with us, but I think he would be so saddened to see the church that meant so much to him has crumbled.
Aaah, yes, the Protestants. Luther must be proud right now of his "children". 🙄
Dr. Frankenstein.
Rock concerts, yoga classes and trans pastors.. Yep, yep, a text-book example of why Tradition was important.. and why Sola Scriptura is a terrible - terrible - idea.
@@goofygrandlouis6296
Horrible argumentation from the one who's Pope is winking at sin and blessing homosexual Unions...
Many of us in fact most of us push back against progressive Christianity affirming stuff that's not Christian or biblical.
Also while you're at it,show me where you get this idea that Mary the sinner is sinless or should be prayed to.
Asking for a friend!
@@rauldelarosa2768 A blessing is not an actual marriage.
Besides, the current Pope is a "woke pope" (jesuits from Latin America..) 🙄
Mary is not prayed TO, she's prayed VIA (just like any other saint)
@@goofygrandlouis6296 blessing sin is still endorsing sin. Your pope did that and he along with you will have to answer to God while you endorse such sinful actions. Also there's nothing in Scripture that tells me I need to pray to Mary The sinner.
I can come boldly to Christ .
@@rauldelarosa2768 Yes it is. And I don't agree with it.
As for Mary, you know the Protestants are the exception, NOT the rule.
Sola Scriptura is a pure invention from some monk in Germany, 15 centuries down the road.
Catholics, Orthodox, Cooptic, Armenian, ..All of the rest of Christianity rely on Tradition as much as Scripture.
The Word of God is not affirmative, but transformative. Thank you speaking so eloquently on this topic, your speech is so thoughtful and precise, it sounds almost like pre-written poetry. God bless you!
Yes! Transformative!
My uncle was a Methodist pastor for years, and he fought so hard against this. He passed away last July and he would be heart broken if he were here.
God called him home so he wouldn't have to see this happen
It is intended to fracture, disrupt, and destroy the church. And the UMC is allowing it to happen.
I drive by a local Methodist church almost daily and it makes me so mad. There are literally more rainbow flags all over their property than crosses (only one cross on the building but dozens of flags everywhere else). I pray for their eyes to be open, to repent and tell the truth about what the Bible really says. They are purposely misleading.
same , there is one down the street and the rainbow flag is extra large. I used to go to the Episcopal church and all of them were gay priests. The devil is taking over these fake churches. The roman catholic church blessed Gay marriages which is blasphemy ! I just want Jesus to come now and save us all from this evil.
The one "upside" when churches rainbow themselves out is that it lets you know not to waste your time ever going there.
I'd rather they just get rid of the cross altogether, since they don't stand for it.
We have a liberal Catholic church near us that does the same thing. They don't worship christ. Did Jesus say worship is a hippie guy who doesn't judge anybody. Even a cursory reading of the Bible shows that that's not who he is even without any specific hermeneutics courses
The truth is that some people are gay.
They really be respecting everyone’s pronouns but God’s 💀
Ouuuuuu that’s a word!!!! So true.
So true !!!!!
My church hired a lesbian minister and the church was dead in 5 years. The property has been sold and the proceeds given away.
Same here. So sad 😔
They won
Thank Obama
Good. It wasnt a real church then if they allow that.
God will not be mocked. Sin brings forth death, literally and spiritually.
Grew up Methodist. Got confirmed in a Methodist church. This is so heartbreaking. Praying for all who have been lead astray. 😢
Same here. This is insane. I'm not going to lie I'm from the northeast. Trans flags everywhere.
Sin is not an identity.
That would make a good slogan on a tee shirt…👍
I agree with you but I also see another angle - SIN does indeed identify a group - The LEFT - those goats that the King will put on His LEFT when He comes to take up His treasure.
Then why do you call yourself a sinner?
Everyone has been given an identity from God being made in His image. God created male and female. We should reflect the image of God. When you've been made in God's image, you have the potential to reflect His qualities and character.
@@asunder6797 Sin is a behavior. All have sinned and come short of the glory of God.
It is NOTHING but sexualizing children. To (try to) make everyone introduce themselves by ADVERTISING THEIR SEXUALITY...what in the world??? Some may say "no! It's not about sexuality...it's just being able to love who you want"...uh, no. Let's say you are a gay woman...who you LOVE is not the same as WHO YOU SHARE A SEXUAL BED WITH. I am straight...and I love plenty of other females...my daughter, my mother, my close female friends...but I do not have to DECLARE MY LOVE FOR THESE PEOPLE EVERY TIME I INTRODUCE MYSELF. So why must they insinuate right off the bat WHO THEY PREFER TO SLEEP WITH?? That is confusing for children. Why? Because the children ask...what is gay? What does it mean? And you have to explain to them...they love another woman/man, whatever...but it's NOT JUST THAT THEY LOVE THEM...after all, straight people love other people who they are not sleeping with. So then the children figure out quickly that there is something else...a different meaning of "love"...so then you have to explain what they mean by "love". NO! I'm not doing that. This is about erasing children's innocence for these crazy people's sins.
True love has lost its meaning, just as marriage and the family has been redefined.
@@joekey8464 there's only one defnitions of true love in the Bible
@@magdacavuquila3263 yes, just as there is only one meaning of marriage and the family in the bible
My kids are grown now but I used to tell them that gay people were when two men or two women are trying to have a relationship like a boyfriend and girlfriend or a husband and wife had and that God told us not to do that but these people don’t understand. I left it at that. No sex talk. Then, when they were older and we did have the sex talk, I didn’t have to explain the particulars of gay sex because they got the general idea and asked me. I just had to confirm.
@@Micah-6.8 I understand completely that you don't have to go into graphic detail to explain anything to children. Even heterosexuality is not explained to children until they are old and mature enough to understand, and even then you don't need to elaborate. Believe it or not, people figure out how it all works even if no one explains it, lol...and of course a wise parent will guide them in understanding the sacredness of the act, the necessity of marriage, etc...but I don't understand who ever thought is was OK to state WHO YOU HAVE SEX WITH as you introduce yourself to strangers ..."I'm a trans gay woman,"...or some such nonsense. I don't feel the need to put in a tidbit about my sex life when talking to strangers BUT THESE WEIRDOS DO!
And TH-cam trying to make me watch a political ad for a radical leftist candidate before I can listen to Allie Beth is hilarious.
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The Scriptures draw lines in the sand, modern day pressures try and smudge them or even worse, erase them. No, just NO.
....so, if scripture has drawn the line in the sand, why aren't they seeing it? The new offshoot has broken away, I'm sure they think they are interepreting the Scripture properly because they claim they are being led by the "spirit". They echo Martin Luther's words : " Unless I am convinced by the testimony of the Scriptures or by clear reason (for I do not trust either in the pope or in the councils alone, since it is well known that they have often erred and contradicted themselves), I am bound by the Scriptures I have quoted, and my conscience is captive to the Word of God.". I just hope that you as Protestants can se what is gong on here. They should be excomunicated from Christendom, because they are not Christian anymore. But how would they be excommunictaed? You have no authority to do that. They, on the other hand, will continue to call themselve Christian, and they will continue to confuse and mislead thousands of people.
So tell that to your pastors who can't keep their hands off children.
@michaelfisher7170 You are so proud. You talk as if sexual abuse of children doesn't happen in Protestant churches, as if your pastors are all of them exempt from this sin. But leys take a real look, and let us scrutinize you the way the Catholic Church has been scrutinized, would you Protestants pass the test? No. You would not. Sexual abuse of children is just as much if not MORE SO in Protestant churches, the difference is that your little churches never get blasted fir it on the news. Your little churches don't keep records of everything that has happened in your church h for 50 years plus. We do, in the Catholic Church. In addition, your pastors not only sexually abuse children, but many murder their wives and commit all kinds of sexual sins. So get off of your perch and stop judging.
@michaelfisher7170 Recent studies have found that sexual abuse of children is just as prevalent in protesnt churches as it WAS in Catholicism. On top of that, your pastors also commit all kinds of sexual immoral sins. There's one in the news now of a pastor who murdered his wife, he's not the first one. Please stop being so proud and come with a way to eliminate sexual abuse of children in your own xhurch instead of pretending it's not happening there ,too.
@@michaelfisher7170 wow. I posted my reply two times, and twice it was deleted. Why?
The western Methodist churches affirm this but not us in Africa. I'm a Methodist in the Gambia and we were told inorder to receive grants from them we have to align with their stance. We refused and rejected the grants and everything they have to offer. It's not just us It's the same for Ghana, Nigeria, Sierra Leon to name a few. It's not the denomination but the individual churches out there in the west that have such affirmations.
Ah, so in order to take their money, you had to give up your souls. Your church made the right decision.
I pray God keeps your church and all churches like yours in the palm of His hand, and adds all Godly things to your churches for not folding on His truth for gain. Praise our Lord, in Jesus's name, Amen.
@@angibird5493 Amen and thank you.
I’m the daughter of a retired UMC pastor. Although I’m now Eastern Orthodox, I’m grieved to see the church I grew up in fall so far. Luckily, the specific parish I grew up in decided to leave the UMC order to keep their standards against sin.
This whole thing started in the late 80’s-early 90’s. I remember a female pastor here in Cedar Rapids, Iowa fighting to be able to marry gay couples in the early 90’s. At the time, she was disciplined by the Iowa General Conference. Now look at them. SMH. How sad.
Nah. It started with “female pastors/priests”. The post-gender revolutionaries are also post-sex. Shocker.
You said: *I remember a female pastor here in Cedar Rapids, Iowa fighting to be able to marry gay couples in the early 90’s*
That's exactly how it all starts!!! with the ordination of female pastors!!!!
@@kevinrtres Not sure how to take your comment based on the tone, but I have heard the argument that since Paul does not permit female ordination (and this was virtually unchallenged for over 1900 years), to disagree with Paul on that point means there's nothing stopping you from disagreeing with Paul on other points, such as his condemnation of homosexual acts.
Interesting. I moved from the Methodist Church to the Eastern Orthodox Church also. I loved the Methodist church of my youth - it's so sad to know I can't go home again.
@@WillHerrmannIn the beginning God made them male and female, When Jesus Christ was asked about marriage,Jesus said,
In the beginning God made them male and female, Doesn't anyone read the Bible anymore,Hey,Get this.. God made it real simple for us,A woman has the Lock, And a man has the Key, Biology teaches that much!
My sister is in a Methodist Church that is full old people and dying. They don't want to be part of the church if the Gays get to be pastors but they are all old and don't know where to go. Plus they have all financially given so much tot he building and they will loose everything they've invested in the building. I keep telling my sister get out now but she is stubborn.
My husband’s family is Methodist. There little church decided to break away from the big Methodist church. So they just continue to take care of their church and do what they need to do. I’m Catholic, so I don’t understand what that entails to break away, but that’s what they did.
Can they join the global Methodist Church I’m Catholic but have Methodist friends that did that
Oh, that's heartbreaking. I do feel sorry for older people stuck in bad churches.
@@emmaleebuzzard1023 in most denominations, it entails losing out on financial benefits. IE, money for new buildings, sponsorships for Missions abroad. Also, losing access to “employees” I guess you would say? Like, the Denomination seeking out a new pastor for you if yours wants to retire (or heaven forbid, becomes disqualified). Tough for smaller churches
Way to go Allie! Love how you stick with scripture!!! Keep on keeping on! ❤
Your biblical education is lovely, Allie-just lovely.
Thank you. Bless you!
Thank you for standing for solid, sound biblical teaching. Our world, and especially our fellow sisters in Christ need this feet on the ground faith, following in the footsteps of our Savior.
The Bible’s very clear we are to separate from the world and be a peculiar people.The biggest clue that these churches were going the wrong direction was allowing Women Preachers that’s not Biblical God never called a woman to lead a Church case closed.
The Bible is very clear about the grace of Christ and His Word provides hundreds of verses to back up the truth of God yet so many christians look to self and are taught by religion and the doctrine of mankind to depend on self for having salvation instead Jesus/God Himself, which the truth is that by His grace alone is mankind saved. All religions have fallen short of the glory of God and so many folks are not what God gave for them to be in which is His grace.
Not going to leave a voicemail but I found you during the recent Alastair Begg gay wedding controversy. You changed my mind on that topic and have been a listener ever since
Left the Methodist church I grew up in when I got saved and realized there was a disparity in preaching, disparity in doctrine, and my questions about the Bible went unanswered. The progression of the Methodist church toward apostasy has validated that decision. Praying those who come out of that mess find good churches elsewhere.
I went to a Methodist church for a short time, but after a while realized they were very corrupt while doing seemingly very Godly things.
I was at a free lunch for the needy and the pastor have a nice sermon and said, anyone have any questions? A young man said he did and asked something about the Holy Spirit.
The pastor's jaw worked, like he was angry about something, and he said, I'll answer it later after the lunch. He never did. He had been in ministry for years and always dismissed the Holy Spirit, any of that tongue talking nonsense, healing, prophecy.
He had an older lay pastor who corrupted his assistant pastor sexually, and he should have seen it. I could go on, but church was just a habit for these people, they were really quite lukewarm. I don't know where they are with this latest development but I had to distance my self from them, one ex friend was getting into weird serpentine labyrinths, all sorts of weird stuff going on.
The pastor started asking one if the uneducated welfare women who came to free church meals, about that Holy Spirit stuff. She wouldn't tell them anything, they were not really nice to her and treated her badly.
There are people who have fake tongues, or even are just corrupt and have the real thing. But there are people who are honest and Godly even when no one is looking. But they waited till the end of the ball to learn how to dance.
Allie Beth, you have a solid grip on your understanding of The Gospel and what God’s word says and it’s refreshing to hear. Thank you.
I went through this with the United Church of Christ awhile ago. I've had to grieve my childhood church that went absolutely crazy. UCC literally had "Woke Easter" on their X account and almost every post has been about LGBTQ for the last several years. It's gross what these churches are doing. I left and am now going to a Catholic church with my husband who is Catholic.
Unironically there IS in fact a Woke Easter. It is described by the Marxist evangelist Paulo Frieri who literally calls it Easter, just a Communist/Marxist one.
It is heresy of the highest order, telling you that YOU are God, and that you must die and be reborn as a kind of Woke Jesus to save the world.
It is literally a modern version of the snake tempting Eve in the Garden of Eden, promising that she will become like God. Which is why now all if a sudden you are godly enough to die on the cross of Marxism to save the world.
Listen to this short video by James Lindsay, who documents this abomination: th-cam.com/video/uBQkpqII_8Y/w-d-xo.htmlsi=wXd95IbLqhWxPTPf
You should also watch his longer video The Marxification of the church.
It will tell you everything you need to know about this insidious infection.
It is a cult religion, and it is now very effective. None of us can just lean back and "hope for the best", we cannot trust that it'll just work out in the end, if we do ... the mind virus wins.
You should look into Pope Francis pushing the same filth. The only unbroken church is the Orthodox church.
I pray that you are both saved and will be joining Jesus upon your last breath. The Catholic church isn't on the narrow gate path either. Please be careful, be certain of where your destiny lies. It saddens the Lord when his sheep avoid one wolf, only to fall into the jaws of another.
Outrageous!!
That’s why my church left the UMC.
Same here... we just disaffiliated from them... and so glad we did. Good riddance UMC...
Same
Same here!
Good and thank you for standing up for truth.
Us too. Our congregation overwhelmingly agreed to dissafiliate from the UMC a couple of years ago. I believe that the few that didn't agree did not know or want to believe all that was going on. Still, so sad it had to be this way.
I used to teach children and help with the kids choir at my local methodist church but for the sake of my own children we left and joined a SBC church. It's really a shame.
I can't go to an SBC church, either. I am a theological conservative. But my problem with most conservative churches in America is that they have bowed the knee to political conservatism and hyper-individualism the same way the liberal churches have bowed the knee to political progressivism and socialism. Politics OWNS our churches today. It is a golden calf that American Christians worship. And we use it to divide us into camps that we seek to destroy at all costs. I hate this idol. And I hate that it is more important than anything to us. POLITICS IS NOT OUR PURPOSE IN LIFE!!!
Legalism is becoming popular again in conservative churches too. Seems like everyone is swinging way to far one way or the other.
What is sbc? I keep thinking sunbelt conference in college football lol
I've been searching for some info on this and am so excited to hear Allie's perspective. Thank you! Just getting started listening...Love the title 😉
I was shocked that the last song from the conference was not a worship song, but just a love train song. I guess I’m not shocked.
I saw it on Wretched. The O’Jays.
Taking the unbiblical view that “love is love” and twisting it to “Jesus condones homosexuality.”
Sin is sin.
@@dorianorossi They can ride that "love" train all the way to hell, and they will.
@@jamestrotter3162 My thumbs down is not to you, but to the fact that they are lost, if they came to know Jesus, then it would be a thumbs up.
@@dorianorossi Well there's no getting around the fact that they're definitely lost.
@@jamestrotter3162 Thumbs down because it is sad, not because there’s any disagreement with your statement, you are correct as their lack of faith follows with the Bible teaching.
I am a Methodist pastor's daughter, now a Catholic convert. I will always have fond memories and appreciation of where I come from, but I can't say I'm surprised. Christians of all stripes HAVE to get a cohesive theology of the body and pro life ethic. Straight people have been blowing up the sanctity of marriage and sexuality for decades.
It does not matter what religion a person is in because what matters is the true saving grace of God and Jesus being the true saving grace, believing is what matters. All religions have fallen short of what God intended for religion to be and every church sets its own doctrines, regardless of the religion. As you state so about the methodist religion, same can be applied to the catholic religion and honestly there are far worse doctrines in the catholic religion than others.
I do not say this to condone any religion above another because all religions are fallen in some ways, sort of fashion and God is not please with the way mankind has taking it upon itself the man-made traditions and doctrines that it has and calling another religion at fault yet being in the same cup of fault in a different subject.
The best thing a person can do for self is to step out of the religion mindset and step into the embrace of the truth Word of God the Bible and foremost believe God and ask Him for His wisdom and being the way maker that mankind religion would be the last thing on the mind.
Anyhow, please know am not judging in any way, simply stating what was on my heart to profess and do what you will with it but may God Himself be the way maker for you and your loved ones, in Jesus name, Amen.
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Facts. Us straight folks are not in the free and clear here either.
Ps welcome home ❤
Christians don't own marriage and you have a cheek as a catholic to even mention sexuality. Get that plank out of your own eye first. Turn over your documentation on child abusing priests to the proper authorities.
@@John_Lete how do you figure that us Catholics do so much wrong but we have never wavered on all the issues that matter.
No women’s ordination, no gay marriage, no abortion, no euthanasia. Every Protestant denomination is off in left field one way or another, but not us.
Thanks be to God that I’m a Catholic.
It is catholic pope who allow homosexually marriage and I believe it is is the so called catholic church officially spreading the act of homosexuality than in any other church. Also i believe that the acts of homosexuality is everywhere in everywhere church in the world. But catholic church share the the most.
There's a Methodist church near me. Years ago when the denomination started to embrace this wickedness they changed to the "[Insert town name here] Village Church". Im not a Methodist but God bless them for sticking with truth. Condoning sin and calling evil good and good evil is an issue to split over. You cannot brook fundamental evil like that.
I'm now convinced that the Catholic Church was founded by Jesus and has the fullness of faith. I'm praying about becoming Catholic. Excited!
They're also pro-lgbtq
I felt the same way and am now fully Catholic. Will be praying for you! 🙏🏼
How wonderful! Welcome home in advance 😊❤
Very exciting! I will add you to my prayers Joan. I hope you visit a Catholic Church soon.
Catholicism has many false doctrines- beware.
A Methodist Church I do a few Bible studies at broke away recently. They had to pay big bucks to do it but they did it.
Praise The Lord!!!
Man, I love Allie Beth! Such a breath of fresh air in how she speaks the truth so clearly, boldly and kindly.
"Having a hope in God that there shall certainly be a resurrection of the righteous and the wicked (16) I do my best to maintain a blameless conscience before God and men." Acts 24:15,16
Haven't heard this one. Thanks for sharing
It's sad because a lot of us who attend UMC are not for this! Unfortunately, the clergy that were present were more liberal and a vote wasn't even discussed. It just went through like it was nothing. It would not have passed if the African countries were represented, but from what I've read, many of the African clergy could not obtain a Visa to attend the conference. I was born and raised in the UMC. A small little country church that I've always been highly involved in. At this point, we are trying to hold on as we are not practicing what was just passed.....yet. However, I don't know what it holds for our little church and if we'll be staying.
Come out from among them!
What should we do?
I maintain that the majority of the people in the pews are conservative/traditional and do not support this. Unfortunately, the delegates' votes are not representative of the people in the pews. I was heartbroken at the disgraceful treatment of the African delegates, both in how the ones who were able to be there were treated and in the late invitation letters that didn't give 25-30% of them a chance to get their visas.
Your church sounds a lot like mine!
So how was it decided ? Was it voted on ? Can you explain the process?
My grandmother was a devout Methodist member and couldn’t bring herself to speak about the issue because it saddened her so much. When a church divides it’s so terribly sad.
Unlike Trent horn I was raised with no religion. About 35 or so I ended up in the church of Christ. Least they held to the Bible. But like Trent. I'm a Catholic convert. And like him orthodox, but not necessarily Rad trad This thing with a methodist church is very sad. They are throwing out scripture. As the Episcopal Church did when I was part of it. There seems to be a move within all churches.
2 accept perversion. It is called Cowardice. I don't know what else to call it. It is people too afraid to stand for the truth Scriptures, say there will come a time when the love of many will grow cold. I believe we are at that point. But I'll say one thing, Christians of all denominations better wake up.
Instead of condemning one another to hell as it was when I was in the church of Christ.
And stand against what's going on in our society. We are now living in a post Christian era, and if we don't wake up, there will be no Christians left.
This is why God is not with any religion because all religions have become nothing more than a building with the name of God stuck on it yet on the inside so many souls are lost because they know not the grace of Christ. Sin is sin and regardless of the sin, small or great, it is sin in the sight of God and the only way a person is washed clean, it is by the grace of Jesus whom is God.
Holy Spirit is stuck in the back pocket by many so called christians and thus it is why so many have no growth in their walk with Christ and at the same time have no true understanding of the saving grace of God which actually saves.
The problem before cowardice is they just believe in Christ or the need for his sacrifice. If they believed, they would have faith and understanding which would help them to stand firm.
@@ohthankg-dforthebourgeoisi9800 Well if people aren't getting born again and don't think that Christ's blood atonement and resurrection is what saved us and think they are going to somehow earn their way, there will continue to be division. This is why I've never belonged to a denomination; traditions are held in the same esteem or even above Christ. A lot of traditions in churches have become idols to those churches. It doesn’t help that we are living in the time of apostasy. Finding a church that isn’t blasphemous, lukewarm, or heretical is quite difficult. The gospel is actually very simple, but man has tried it’s best to make it extremely difficult. When we are born again we are a new creation.
I am a Life long Methodist that’s been feeling disconnected for the past 8 years. It’s only bc of my husband that I still go. I’ve become part of an online community of a CA church that’s help disciple and spiritually nourish me.
John 3:18 confirms condemnation. In fact, it explained that until we are in Christ we are condemned already.
Thank you for standing up for the Word Allie!
The Trent collaboration was my first episode I've seen of yours. I came back today. Good vibes and well thought out.
I am appalled by how totally corrupt the Methodist Church has become as it is now totally “woke” with people having to identify their pronouns to supporting “inclusive” homosexuality (which everyone seems to call lgbt quips today). I have some family history in the Methodist church as my grandfather was a Methodist missionary in Indonesia where my mother was born. He had a deep, sincere, and abiding love of God as his Divine friend. When I started to consider ministry I naturally approached a Methodist Church Pastor. He gave me a book to read, "Methodists and the Making of America" by Charles W. Ferguson. Charles Wesley held Church meetings very often in outdoor settings. He was very charismatic and the Holy Spirit was definitely a part of his ministry, converting many that heard him speak. Wesley held many large outdoor meetings in America where as many as 500 people at a time would fall down, convicted by the Holy Spirit. These large gatherings, later called Chautauquas, and the Methodist circuit rider preachers led to the formation of several Universities which are still in existence today. Then in the 1890s there was a schism that developed in the Methodist Church, and the Holiness Church and the Pentecostal Church split away from the Methodist Church. I am pretty sure that is why the Methodist Church still has the red flame as part of its logo, leftover from the days when the Methodist Church was still "on fire" with the Holy Spirit - which it has not been since the 1890s. Those days are sadly long gone but, I never would have imagined that it would come to this, where the modern Methodist Church would turn totally woke by supporting and teaching twisted Scripture, bent to support Marxism, feminism, Theosophy, and Occultism.
Please bare in mind that the mothers of feminism, starting at the time of the French Revolution in the late 1700s followed Theosophy and the teaching of the occultist Madame Blavatsky. These teachings were about the serpent (Satan) having given supposed sacred teachings to Eve to give her power over men, and power over God. This teaching is at the heart of feminism. To put it as clearly as I can, Theosophy and Blavatsky teach and assert that Satan is the good guy, and God is the bad guy. Wake up good people, there is nothing good, pure, noble, or just about feminism. Feminism seeks to destroy God, destroy religion, destroy the family, destroy society, and destroy men. And now with Progressive Christianity, the beast has gotten into the Church where even the elect can be deceived, so powerful is the weapon of the lie. Do not be deceived about people trying to assert that all truth is relative, i.e., “Stand Point Theory”, and “Critical Theory”, where there is no absolute truth or God given truth, only how "I" feel based on the narcissistic worship of my own "Self". This is a lie that is purely fueled by Marxism/feminism/Theosophy/Occultism.
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God.
John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
I am a UMC Sunday School teacher. I am a theological conservative (and a Navy veteran). I have debated leaving our church for a few years now. But the only reason I am even at this church is because I was made unwelcome at the Baptist church I formerly attended because I would not make conservative politics my life priority. Most conservative churches in America have bowed the knee to political conservatism and hyper-individualist philosophy (Objectivism, etc.) the same way the liberal churches have bowed the knee to political progressivism and socialist philosophy (Marxism, etc.) Both approaches are utterly unbiblical. Politics OWNS our churches today. It is a golden calf that American Christians worship. And we use it to divide us into camps that we seek to destroy at all costs. I hate this idol. And I hate that it is more important than anything to us. I will not bow my knee to either Old Glory or the Rainbow flag. POLITICS IS NOT OUR PURPOSE IN LIFE!!!
Not the cathlolics. They seem to know what they are about. Now if they could just get rid of this Pope
@@redink71came here to say this. Ditto on both points
@@redink71Thank you? Popes come and go, good and bad, they’re all human. But dogma is unchangedable and the Catholic Church will endure always faithful to our Lord until His Second Coming.
You could come to Canada, we tend not to obsess over politics inside of church, haha.
@@redink71 But if the church is so faithful, how did you get a defective pope?
its really sad to know so many church today supporting LGBT and its make me realize that were in the end times now
EO does not support it.
Oh no! Not the endtimes again!😈😈😈
believe it or not it will happened soon you must be prepared for it brother in Christ
There is a difference between supporting people and supporting ideas.
Oh lord! @22:36 and beyond sounds more like a CULT and NOT a church. 🐑 🐑 These so-called leaders should be ashamed! Our identities should not be based on our skin color and who we have sex with. Our identity as Christians is in Christ alone. Sad
My grandfather would flip if he was alive. Not the fact of people leaving the Methodist Church just the fact of what the Methodist Church is agreeing to.
My dear brothers and sisters from United Methodist...WHY?
Note: I am a Catholic Christian. I am not a member of the Methodist church, but felt compelled to ask my above question to you.
WHY? Why are you doing this? What do you believe you're gaining by accepting these modern day idealogies into your practices?
We got some shady shit going on in our church too. Vague “blessings for people in irregular unions” “deaconesses” rolling out soon, creeps in high up roles of power and good holy men getting the boot. We all need to pray!
Also I love the phrasing “I’m a Catholic Christian” I’m gonna be borrowing that. I hate when I get posed the question: “are you Christian or are you Catholic” (I literally got disinvited to a friends church after I answered her question “I’m Catholic” - she said “oh then you won’t want to come to my Christian church. Never mind” like what??)
They became confused about loving people (which we are to do) and accepting ideas (which we are called to discern between).
How many switched to the more conservative Global Methodist Church
As many as 25%
About one fourth of the churches in the U.S.
Our Methodist church moved over to the Global Methodist church last year. Thank God!
Lots of churches left
its nor that conservative. They still suffer women to preach. which is what started this whole mess. Once the alphabet people destroy the UMC ( give it 5 years) they will move to the GMC. I don't think they tighten up enough to make it clear they are nor nor ever will be welcome. If they don't they will be invaded again. Satan is relentless.
Loved every bit of this, the verbiage you used was so spot on and intentional. This video is 100% the reason why we currently have 3% of the 65-75% population of Christians admitting to a Biblical Worldview. Who is on your throne: the Creator or self?
A Biblical worldview makes the road super narrow, but it does bring true freedom. 🙌🏻
I am Roman Catholic and I watch all your videos, there were few UMC around here that they had the lg.... flag, suddenly they removed that flag and change their name. Now it makes sense why.
Changed to Methodist Church. That is the Global Methodist that left the UMC. For obvious reasons.
@@ciscotx74 I used to attend Novus Ordo, now is like protestant mas but with our Blessed Virgin Mary present, after attending Bible study in different churches, Traditional Latin Mass is the one keeps the most traditions our Lord Jesus Christ left for us, as the most important, the Eucharist , so much respect and veneration receving
@@ciscotx74 the Eucharist with so much veneration, 100% of them believe our Lord is present
Sadly @AllieBethStuckey, this episode just barely scratches the surface of what happened, why it happened, why so many left, why so many didn’t leave and what no one in the press is privy to. You should really interview Keith Boyette or Rob Renfroe (who lives not far from you). They can go way deeper and tell you how truly evil, in my opinion, this General Conference was. The unbelievable hypocrisy of these liberal UM’s towards their African brothers and sisters is just appalling, disgusting and unchristian. As a former UM who helped lead their local church out of the denomination, I could tell you some things but I’m no authority or anything like that. It would make you sick to know what was happening behind the scenes at the UMC General Conference. It’s so sad. Heartbreaking. So glad my church got out when it did. Some had to sue in order to leave. So sad. Thank you for bringing some of this to light though. You’re an awesome woman of God. God Bless!
Bible is predicted this will happened brother the end times is coming we must prepare for it
Wow, I can only imagine what else went on that we don't know. Just seeing what Allie showed really grieved my spirit 😢
@@banita1134 oh it would make you physically ill. It’s disgusting
Take no part in the unfruitful works of darkness, but instead expose them.
My mom's started going to church again in the past few years unfortunately to UMC. I'd love if Allie could talk to these guys if it helped her see
Beth, as a Catholic, I want to sincerely thank you for the insightful interview you conducted with Trent Horn. It was academically rigorous and highly respectful. Please continue having more conversations like this with other thoughtful Catholics.
This my first time seeing or hearing you Allie. I am encouraged and impressed by your apologetics. Keep pushing for the kingdom.
I’m Baptist we really aren’t Protestant we didn’t protest anything we just preach the word of God and try to win souls to Christ
Spencer Smith, is that you? 😅😅😅😅
"we were never in Rome to begin with we go back thousands of years blah blah blah"
You can say you are not protestant. But newsflash, you are.
Baptists are most definitely protestant. Any western christian church that is separate from the Roman Catholic Church and follows the principles of the Reformation such as Sola Scriptura is a protestant
Any Christian church that is not Catholic is considered protestant.
@@777igg The Baptist Church is just another offshoot of the protestant reformation. The commenter above who tried to deny this belongs to a small view among baptists, that they magically existed since the time of the Apostles. Which there doesn't seem to be any historical evidence of this at all.
You are Protestant, but that’s not a bad thing, so there is no reason to deny it. Any denomination that was spun off of the Catholic Church is, by definition, Protestant.
Our church voted unanimously to withdraw from the UMC last October. We have to pay the exit fee by May 31. I'm glad we will be officially out very soon.
I enjoyed the discussion with Trent Horn. I can see that we all genuinely love Jesus Christ and are doing our best to follow Him faithfully.
I'm Catholic and believe that we can learn a great deal from our Protestant brothers and sisters in loving scripture so deeply. Although Catholics tend to know the content of the bible very well, we often can't cite passages like our Christian siblings can.
The more I pay attention to what is going on in the world is pretty scary. With the internet and social media. I am seeing how there are so much horrible and disgusting things that are out in the world. I wasn't looking for anything but I ended up seeing things and now I always have to keep my eyes open. Things that were ones controversial are not anymore. Darkness is shown everywhere as if it's normal because evil is now good and good is looked as evil. We have to believe that spiritual is at play. I know there are lots of people out there that believe in spiritual battle. Keep praying everyone especially for our children that on constant attack. 🙏
I’ve never known the United Methodist church in my lifetime to have strong biblical teaching. I’m 57. This isn’t a surprise at all to me.
Thank the Lord everyday for the leadership in my church and for a wonderful pastor, we left the United Methodist Church and joined the global Methodist Church ♥️
You are an amazing communicator. God bless you 🙏❤
Them saying “adult” really weirds me out… what else would they be? Why do these grown people need to announce they’re an adult… they say this as if you can identify as a different age…this is really concerning 😬
Hi Alley, I respect your standing up for our Christian faith in this crazy time. I am a 67-year Christian, saved at 33. This is such an important show. Im wondering why you feel you have to mention outfits at the Met gala? I really think most people really dont care. Do YOU really care? Please don't do it just to try to be relevant. You should know that we could go to NBC or ABC or NPR if we wanted to hear about that. Suggestion: Find fun things happening in the community, heart-warming stuff that fits so much better on your show. Thanks for listening!
It’s not that serious it’s just a fun little segment.
15:00..you mentioned that these UMC people decided to abandon the true Christiany, abandon Church history, abandon creeds, abandon the bible al together.... and remake this denomination into "our image". You are not going to like that I say this, but this is exactly what the "reformers" did to the Catholic Church. They abandoned true Christianity, the abandoned Church history so much so that most Protestants don't know that Christianity existed before 1517, and that the bible did not fall down from the sky in its current form. They abandoned the Creed because it contains the word "catholic" and because its a recited prayer. Yes, they abandoned TRUE Christianity because none of the dogmas that were born out of the reformation by Protestants were in existance before 1517. Such as the dogma of "faith alone" and "scripture alone". Yes, although Protestants did not abandon Scripture al together, they did eventually do violence to scripture by removing books out of the bible to get the ever so irksome number 66. And yes, I am Catholic. But I hope Methodists feel what we as Catholics feel when you as Protestants glorify the so called REFORMATION. But, isnt that what this new denimination is trying to do? Are they not trying to reform the Methodist Church, have failed and made their own church instead? This kind of break off happens thousands of times in Protestantism, and this is how little by little 500 years later we have THOUSANDS of Protestant churches which in the end just make a MOCKERY of Christendom.
You need to differentiate between the catholic church and the Roman Catholic church. Catholic means universal, Roman Catholic means the brand of Christianity that the Roman government brought into existence by integrating all of the temple priests and all the other Celtic religions that were paid actors by the Roman state. They just integrated those people in to the Roman Catholic tent without considering the damage that their heretical views would have on the formation of the Roman Catholic church. Catholic yes, Roman Catholic not so much.
The same is happening here, in Canada, with the Salvation Army. I see the the Angels going through 'the Church' separating the wheat from the tares. Our church recently separated from the Baptist organization over the same issue. The organization attempted to intimidate us into acceptance of sin by threatening to take our church away from us. We told them where to go.. in a manner of speaking.. haha.
There aren't different ways to enter Heaven (Catholicism, Mormonism, Orthodoxes, Lutherans, Jehovah's Witnesses, Methodists, etc...), there is only one way to Heaven (Christianity of the Bible).
Please, repent before it is too late.
I can certainly agree true repentance is not discussed nearly enough. Unfortunately, too many are too narcissistic to sew their need for that type of walking away from sin.
I’m 65 . When I was in my 20’s there was a transgender woman ( a man) in the choir at the local United Methodist Church . I would frequently see him shopping at the local market and mentioned it to my friend. She attended Calvary chapel with me and knew exactly who he was as she had gone to see the choir at that church at her dad’s request. ( she went there growing up) . My point is the united Methodist have been liberal for years
Geez I never saw anything like that at the churches I attended. However my childhood church is Korean now.
@@kristenharden3157 well I did neglect to mention that this was in Huntington Beach Calif. I knew another family that attended there and the daughter my age told me the was no such thing as the devil ( Satan) we were about 11. Then another friend that went there and later converted to Latter Day Saints told me she was never told about the trinity there . Apparently it was not a good church at all.
They seem to be reported with freemasons too. Sorry to say.
As long as the transgender person didn't get in people's faces about it, they should certainly be allowed to attend.
@@sarah2.017 of course. But when you put someone in the chair, they are representing the church publically
I was raised Methodist but I left over this issue nearly a decade ago. It was a major eye-opening moment for my younger, naive self to see so many members (and leaders in particular) suddenly 'realize' that they had been wrong in their interpretation of scripture regarding the sinfulness of homosexuality at precisely the time scotus forced it on the country.
Your debate yesterday helped me decide what church I should go to! I’ve found God recently and have been wrestling with Catholicism vs Non denominational and your video yesterday helped me realize the Catholic Church is not for me
See if there is an Anglican church (ACNA) near you. The ACNA formed 16 years ago as a response to the Episcopal church’s decisions on the lg… agenda.
My old pastor Rev.Bob Ducan and my Uncle Rev. Fred Martin are rolling over in their Graves. I left the Methodist church yrs ago because I saw them not living what they were preaching. I pray for all of them to turn back to God's truth and word. Love and prayers to you all
Allie, I was changed by your shows on abortion abolition and IVF/surrogacy.
Mine was Butterfield so good.
I would say their choice of song at the end was actually perfect. It says people of the world, and that's what they are. They're definitely not people of the church.
Went through this in the Episcopal church and unfortunately it is on life support as a result. After a long journey, my husband and I and our children joined the Orthodox Church this year. Such a breath of fresh air to be on solid foundation.
I grew up in the United Methodist Church. I was confirmed when I was 12. I left that church because I saw no love in most of the congregation. My Dad was on the administrative Board and he was always talking about how petty the other board members were. I was a certified lay minister as well. To say that I am disgusted by this turn of events is a gross understatement... but truthfully I am not surprised.
Many of the mainstream "Christian" denominations are apostate in varying degrees. But that is like being "just a little bit pregnant". The fruit tells the story. And it is distressing. The lack of love and compassion is horrifying. The pharisaical self righteousness and condemnation is so very prominent in many of these congregations. BUT... it seems that they have no discernment either. And they fall into a pit that come from not being able to discern that loving others does not mean condoning their sin. You can love and have compassion for hurting people without condoning their behavior.
I treat everyone with dignity and respect. I am fully aware that I am a sinner and that "but the grace of God there goeth I" so I do not condemn anyone. That is for God alone. But I will not condone sin. If the sin is exposed then it has to be a part of the equation. You do not just accept detrimental behaviors. They may believe that it doesn't hurt anyone but that is a clever deception by the Adversary. A good parent does not condone bad behavior but they also do not shun their child and berate them mercilessly. In some case the child doesn't know why what they did is so wrong. They lack the ability to sort through the ramifications and ripple effects of their actions. This is true with people in persistent sin. They are blinded by their desires as to why it is harmful to them and others.
I have known many homosexuals ( they aren't gay or lesbian... they are homosexual...period ) and under the veneer of outward contentment they are miserable. Some of the most broken people I have ever known were in that boat. And sadly they lash out at others for "judging" them when the true judgement lies within them. They know deep down something is wrong but they feel helpless to do anything about it. This is the secret harm of these behaviors.
People who think they should have been born the opposite sex are not healthy. It is wrong to ignore the symptoms of any sickness. If you have a disability that may develop into something life threatening, you do not hide it just because "people may talk". You seek treatment. I am sorry but the "trans" movement is a mental health issue. And nothing we do will help it until the illness is recognized and addressed.
The UMC has fallen in the pit by condoning a detrimental behavior. If someone that identifies as LGBTQ attends your church service you should treat them with dignity and respect. You should not shun them at all. BUT you must not affirm their behavior either. If a junkie wanders in off the street it would be the same thing. Love, compassion, dignity and respect but you DO NOT affirm their drug use! You show them a better way. You rely on the transformative power of the Almighty King of the Universe to help you HELP THEM. God can do ANYTHING. Our faith is the limitation not His power.
Shame on the congregations of the UMC for letting this come to this point. The saltiness has gone from your faith. God can forgive anything. I beg you to rexamine your choices and lay them at the foot of the cross. The demnination may be dead but you are redeemable until the moment of death.
I'd give you multiple thumbs ups if I could. You are absolutely correct.
Oh BROTHER, we got a jabber-jaw over here.
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Methodist here. My family and I left the United Methodist Church (UMC) years ago and joined the Global Methodist Church (GMC). The Global Methodist Church is a Methodist denomination within Protestant Christianity subscribing to views that were propounded by the conservative Confessing Movement.
I think in large part the reason the UMC is becoming so far left and woke is because conservatives like myself left the UMC. This should be a warning to others - try to reform before departing, otherwise what you leave behind for others will become far worse. We left because we saw no path to change.
Yep we left mid 2020 because the specific church we were apart of we knew were leaning this way and we were like nope we cannot stay where they are changing what the bible clearly stands against.
Thank you for your bold and faithful witness to the authority of God's Word. You are a blessing to so many.
i am glad to be an Orthodox Christian. this is what happens when you ignore church history and oral tradition. i do not know what Protestants expect to happen to their churches other than this. may God have mercy on us all
My family is switching to Orthodox. Our former church left UMC in 2019 and became nondenominational.
Always love your videos & Christian point of view, Allie. I'm kinda a fan myself even though I haven't watched many of your episodes but your videos are always encouraging. Never stop telling others why we need God in our lives.
Cool, 1000 episodes, great job!
This is absolutely maddening....I struggle at times to be Christ like in dealing with issues such as this & those who ate pushing this evil.
Must be hard to be a hateful bigot
It was an edifying dignified discussion which was respectful between yourself and Trent. I especially liked the fact that Trent was considerate towards you being a seasoned apologist. This is from me a devout Catholic.
There was a street preacher preaching outside this convention, rebuking them for their sin. He saw several men in skirts/dresses going in to this conference. Also, where we're from, the Methodist church has literally locked the doors/changed the locks or whatever to pastors and congregations that will not go along with their "acceptance". They have had to find new buildings and start over.
1 Timothy 5:20 KJV
Them that sin rebuke before all, that others also may fear.
2 Timothy 4:2-4 KJV
Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine. [3] For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; [4] And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
Can I assume that they were not kilts, or caftans, culturally appropriate based on where they were from?
@@sarah2.017 no. They were cross-dressing men-- a man trying to look like a woman, but fooling no one.
My brother is a pastor & he is part of Methodist church that didn’t embrace the alternative life style. Thank GOD! ❤💓💕🙏🏽
LGBTQ is a magical spell. Stop saying it. Say Alphabet People.
I was raised in a united Methodist church. My home church broke away from the United Methodists in the recent split. It breaks my heart that there is so much sin and turmoil in my home church denomination even though I have gone to a Baptist church for years.
I have observed that some of the strongest protestant leaders have become Catholic, and weak Catholics become protestant.. I am a life-long Catholic, love my faith in Christ, love Mary because she is Jesus' Holy Mother. As a mother, I am so sad how many treat her with such disrespect. How hurtful it must be to Christ as well, and God - who chose her must have justified anger toward those who snub her or disrespect her. She takes nothing away from Christ, she was the model of humility. Protestants have a lot to learn, but that is okay, we respect you. We have our own issues with lax Catholics that for some reason failed to recognize the gift of the faith they were given. One thing for sure, we should all live in peace and pray to always be guided by the Holy Spirit in Truth.
Not worshipping Virgin Mary does not tantamount to disrespecting her.
@janglalgoupiak1891 we do not worship Mary either
@@briansardinas1359 Co-mediatrix is borderline worship
@@janglalgoupiak1891 mediatrix is a title. That does not constitute worship. We understand that grace does not originate from her. Mary is a creature. She is nothing next to God.
It is catholic pope who allow homosexually marriage and I believe it is is the so called catholic church officially spreading the act of homosexuality than in any other church. Also i believe that the acts of homosexuality is everywhere in everywhere church in the world. But catholic church share the the most.
Our small country church saw the storm coming and went through the formal disaffiliation process. So glad we did. We are focused on loving God with all our heart and our neighbors as ourselves and we are thriving!
Alli, you are so right,!
You changed my mind on IVF & surrogacy for sure! Thank you! Also, I always enjoy your commentaries on the celebrity outfits. 😂 It's nice to have a few light-hearted segments and since I don't pay attention to celebrities otherwise, it helps keep me up to date a little in this crazy world.
I was raised Baptist, but my husband and I just visited a Methodist church for the first time last Sunday (looking for a church in the area we just moved to). They're "Wesleyan Methodist", which as I understand it means that they don't support LGBTQ stuff at all. It's in their doctrine and beliefs statement that they don't. So I hope people aren't from now on turned off to any and all churches that are "Methodist" -- just do a little digging! Maybe they're a great, Bible-honoring church that's just right for you! We enjoyed our visit at the one we went to, and are considering it. :) The clips you showed are _horrifying_ 😂 and not at all what we experienced. The Wesleyan Methodist church we visited was very traditional and lovely.
What was even MORE horrifying though were those Met Gala outfits 👀
Wesleyan Methodists are conservative and wholesome.
I was raised a Methodist and was very active until about 5 years ago. That was about the time the indoctrination of affirming LGBTQ+ became a big push. There were clergy who had taken vows and then when they became pastors or bishops, they openly denounced those vows. And instead of removing them, which was in the Book of Discipline, the LGBTQ+ refused to go and the conference bowed down because they didn't want that negative press. So now it's been taken over. It's heartbreaking that they have purposely split the church in order to blend onto the world vs God's Word.