I just wanted to add that in the SF3 games, it's the starter of a Target Combo into heavy kick, allowing it to punish single parry jump-ins. Great video!
I feel like it was a bit of a sacrificial lamb. Like, yes, the practices aren't good, but they went far, *far* beyond SFxT, and even plenty of other fighting games that came out around then had practices that were just as scummy that didn't get nearly the same backlash (Blazblue and KoF13 come to mind). People were pissed at capcom for a million reasons, and SFxT just happened to be the game that broke the camel's back.
I mean it also released like dogshit and people really didn't like how utterly slow the game was. It's not like an MvCi situation where it was JUST drama that killed the game
I don't know why, but something about Street Fighter x Tekken's aesthetics makes me wanna play the game just for that. The impact on launchers. The speedy combos. The cool shaders that really highlight a character's details. Everything about it just speaks to me in a way that no other Street Fighter game has.
It looked amazing. It came out while SF4 was still going strong and hopping back and forth between the two made SF4 look SO bad to me. Also, design-wise, I think it's the best tag fighting game ever made. The combo system was super cool: your partner always ran in rather than jumping in like DBFZ or MvC, so you used the tag as a combo extender. It even had an amazing 4 player mode where your partner could control when they tagged in. So they could confirm off your buttons to continue combos and vice versa.
It really (IMO) does look better than IV. I think the shading and lighting does wonders to the character models that IV just lacks. It makes me sad with just how badly Capcom fucked this game up.
I disagree, the shading especially makes the game look incredibly dark and ugly to me. At the very least the Tekken characters looked pretty good in SF4's artstyle.
kinda interesting to see how the characters' models and most of the animations are exactly the same as in sf4, but the mechanics working in a significantly different way
As always thank you for shouting out my favorite game and the community I’ve built for it. We’re a rowdy bunch and we’re looking forward to making this 10th birthday of v2013 legendary!
Small correction on the sf4 far hp, it's actually quite good as a counter poke if you are dealing with a button around that height. It's definitely a bit slow but it does ok damage and lots of stun compared to his other normals.
It's true but I always found that far medium punch did (for the most part) the same job and had more potential. Plus crouch medium punch beat so many standing options. You are right though, it did have its uses
@@bidoofismyking8962 they gave Jin SFEX2's Kairi projectile, think Viper's ground pound but it hits mid instead of low they also gave Raven & Steve projectiles too in SxT
Standing fierce seems like an integral part of Ryu's mid-range now in street fighter 6 since it can be single-hit confirmed into jodan shinengeki for a knockdown and damage and unlike his whirlwind kick, another single-hit confirmable poke with great range whose main weaknesses are drive impact and speed, standing fierce is much faster and you can cancel to super or a drive impact of your own to beat it.
doom metal (i think) and fighting game theory/philosophy is just such a godlike combo. you're also doing such a service to keep educating the new generation of players and the even newer ones who will undoubtedly start coming next week. love your videos man, keep it up, much love.
Yo....I love this yo....RIP to my friend CJ...but I let him borrow this game and never got it back because of his passing....I loved this game #Respect #StreetFighter #Tekken #Cross
It's funny when I first saw that button I was like "Hey that's kinda like Steve's b1 in Tekken" and here we are counterhitting normally safe advancing moves with a long hooking punch lmao. Actually a really subtle way of handling a potential problem Ryu otherwise would've had against the Tekken roster; giving him a counterhitting button in the vein of what that'd be in Tekken.
X Tekken needs a rerelease so bad. A gem-free mode that's inviting. What an amazing game once you get past the terrible DLC and GEM stuff. So good. Fingers crossed (!) for a reissue...and an SF EX collection.
they either need to rework or get rid of Pandora too, it's such a nothing game mechanic outside of the funky skin you get during it, except for Heihachi where he's just pissed that he didn't get to harness a demonic power that everyone else had(again)
Street Fighter X Tekken was my first introduction to both series. I didn't know all the mechanics (let alone how to do proper motion inputs), but I still had a lot of fun with it. I hope one day Capcom will re-release the game with all the DLC characters and at least include Megaman and Pacman in the roster.
Buddy...WHAT A COOL IDEA for a video! Another wonderful job yo, very inspirational as someone who aspires to one day make similar vids! Love love love it.
I love the fact that Theory Fighter videos are just: "Explain a concept/idea/circumstance in fighting games in a clear way that meshes with the viduals used for great entertainment" *Death Metal fades out into the distance*
Ryu's fierce counter follow-up inputs: f.HP > j. MP(late) > cr.HP > qcf.P(hold) > fw.dash > cr.HP > qcb. LK And if you have one block of meter you can dash cancel an EX-Hadouken (can also be charged to LV2 for free). The following attack will be a guaranteed counter on hit so if you link the fierce f.HP from said dash cancel, this combo can be done without even having to interrupt an opponent's startup.
You know they gave Ken and Ryu this move in Smash Ultimate (performed with a tapped forward tilt input while close to an opponent, so you can't perform it raw in neutral. You'd get toe tap instead). It does not inflict a crumple, and it's only utility is that it pulls the opponent closer toward you for a more likely Shoryu connection. I don't rely on the "Opponent close" attacks because with Ultimate's input delay, there's little gaurantee that your opponent will still be within range by the time your input is read. Ken gets some good use out of it if you want to confirm into his unique roundhouse/axe kick moves.
@@ZappBranniglenn true haha anyway have u used the heavy forward tilt as an anti aerial defense in smash? I wonder if it can be used as in this street fighter vs tekken video
Also DAMN I wish I could get my hands on SFxT... I was the only one of my crew that stuck with the game thru v2013 and always loved it, flaws and all. Fingers crossed it gets saved from purgatory soon!
I've got a suggestion that this video reminded me of, for some reason. What about a video on alternate win conditions in fighting games? It's not something you see very often due to the nature of fighting games, but it's interesting on the rare occasions where it does pop up.
Damn, I remember SFXT being my most anticipated fighting game along with MK9 back when I saw SFXT's cinematic trailer back in 2011 but never got to play it, after watching this vid I fully want a remaster without the gems & the on disc DLC! :)
Omg im so happy cause i watched and followed him when bbtag came out, got a lil old. But im really getting into street fighter and i can listen to him ALL DAY 😂
I love this punch too! Secretly, I always thought that some discussion was needed about this button. However, why didn't you start with its original version (New generation)? I know it's basically the same thing, but I found it weird to start the video and see the sf4 version at the beginning.
Would've loved for you to say something about Ryu stand HP from CvS 2. It's been awhile, but i do remember it being a stand out button. Not quite the level of Blanka or Sagat c.HP, but still a lot better than it was in older games.
I wish you made more videos, these feel like video essays but with a point, with a lot of unobvious information well explained without reusing shitty memes to address your point.
I love these "hard counters" in fighting games Fatal Counter in BB being my favorite, because of the loud noise and voice clip Your entire bloodline felt it when Susanoo's 6B went FATAL FATAL
I like how u keep using Monolord in the background of these videos. It's a pretty unique part of your channel compared to the rest of the FGC TH-cam. Huh doom metal fan I assume?
Actually in third strike its extremely good its actually an amazing ant air tool cuz it links into roundhouse so if someone parries the fierce they get hit with the round house. Between crouching fierce, roundhouse and and shoryu it makes ryus anti air tool kit one of the best and unpredictable and medium jab as well
It's pronounced "BLAZE Blue". But dang, as someone who only ever played this game casually, I never realized how much one weird counter hit property on a move you wouldn't use otherwise could change how you play a game so much.
A textbook left hook. One of the most devastating strikes in all fighting sports. Ryu has mastered it, not even Steve who’s a boxer has a left hook this mean.
In 3S it target comboed into hk so you could anti air jumping parry attempts with HP > HK. That said, I don't know if it would hold up at the highest level of play.
I really like ryu's st.HP in SF3 New Generation and 2nd Impact. It has no uses on grounded opponents but it hits people really well in the air and people do jump a lot because of air parry. If they are close, cl.HP is also does the job. But sadly the move comes out much slower in 3rd Strike...
"If I get a counter hit with Leo's Table flip, I want your mom to know you messed up"
What a quote lol
I don't know why I never thought of it as table flip but my world just got a little bit better from that.
@@gwen9939Fr 😅
Gonna timestamp THIS!
XD
5:42 there we go!
Those are the words he said
I just love that he decks you in the jaw so hard you'd swear he's trying to show Ed Boon he could be in a crossover
...I fucking love this comment
Theory Fighter is the closest thing to a father I've ever had.
I can be your daddy;)
That is kinda wholesome
Theory Father
@@azazel7505 And also sad. I call it "sadsome"
Ryu's standing hard punch is the closest thing i have to a father.
and then Ken took it...
I just wanted to add that in the SF3 games, it's the starter of a Target Combo into heavy kick, allowing it to punish single parry jump-ins. Great video!
X tekken was such an underrated gem of a game. It is a shame that all that was squandered by shitty game industry practices.
I feel like it was a bit of a sacrificial lamb. Like, yes, the practices aren't good, but they went far, *far* beyond SFxT, and even plenty of other fighting games that came out around then had practices that were just as scummy that didn't get nearly the same backlash (Blazblue and KoF13 come to mind). People were pissed at capcom for a million reasons, and SFxT just happened to be the game that broke the camel's back.
@@mousefire777 what did kof 13 do besides broken dlc?
I mean it also released like dogshit and people really didn't like how utterly slow the game was. It's not like an MvCi situation where it was JUST drama that killed the game
@@mousefire777 launch sfxt wasnt good, 2013 patch was good
@@themonoloco8245 The DLC characters were on disc, and $5 a pop.
I don't know why, but something about Street Fighter x Tekken's aesthetics makes me wanna play the game just for that. The impact on launchers. The speedy combos. The cool shaders that really highlight a character's details. Everything about it just speaks to me in a way that no other Street Fighter game has.
It looked amazing. It came out while SF4 was still going strong and hopping back and forth between the two made SF4 look SO bad to me. Also, design-wise, I think it's the best tag fighting game ever made. The combo system was super cool: your partner always ran in rather than jumping in like DBFZ or MvC, so you used the tag as a combo extender. It even had an amazing 4 player mode where your partner could control when they tagged in. So they could confirm off your buttons to continue combos and vice versa.
It really (IMO) does look better than IV. I think the shading and lighting does wonders to the character models that IV just lacks. It makes me sad with just how badly Capcom fucked this game up.
Underrated and underplayed game. It has so much hidden depth. A shame that it died on release due to poor decision on Capcom's part.
@@keeng Said perfectly
I disagree, the shading especially makes the game look incredibly dark and ugly to me. At the very least the Tekken characters looked pretty good in SF4's artstyle.
In boxing this is called a check hook. Its used to "check" an opponent that steps within your range.
Thanks for the info!
This is the type of FGC content I truly value in this community
Wait, doesn't FGC mean "fighting gane community"?
@@jestfullgremblim8002no
@@jestfullgremblim8002 yes it does, homeboy.
@@SykNomad241 bahaha
@@SykNomad241 i think i was high or smt
Dear Capcom rep watching this video right now, we would like to play this on steam again (or be able to purchase it at all). Thanks.
What I got from this is that Ryu's Standing Fierce was given a property that lets it Counter the Tekken Series
seeing sf4 looking ryu do a donkey kick felt cursed af
Shoutouts to Theory for continuing to rep SFxT, the most under-appreciated SF game. Still remember the HoG days, keep the love alive!
I'm still having dreams about getting bodied by your Blanka, hope to see you in SF6 mate!
kinda interesting to see how the characters' models and most of the animations are exactly the same as in sf4, but the mechanics working in a significantly different way
as someone who recently got into fighting games, your videos are highly entertaining and informative! Keep it up!
that quote at the end feels like a central philosophy to Street Fighter 6
As always thank you for shouting out my favorite game and the community I’ve built for it. We’re a rowdy bunch and we’re looking forward to making this 10th birthday of v2013 legendary!
You built for it? What?
@@HONUT Give his community tab a glance.
1:16 Far St. HP is +3 on hit, so you actually don't need a counter hit to link into super
With the absolute state of SF discourse in the run-up to SF6, it's very refreshing to see a video about how one normal is important.
That was a fun watch! That st. HP is great in trade situations as well. Super underrated
Man,I miss SFxT
Hope TxSF comes out later down the line.
Pretty sure that project is shit canned.
Considering Akuma is over there already...
Sadly, Capcom is ashamed of SFxT to this very day; don't expect a successor to SFxT to come out of them.
If so I hope it isn’t tag
Small correction on the sf4 far hp, it's actually quite good as a counter poke if you are dealing with a button around that height. It's definitely a bit slow but it does ok damage and lots of stun compared to his other normals.
It's true but I always found that far medium punch did (for the most part) the same job and had more potential. Plus crouch medium punch beat so many standing options. You are right though, it did have its uses
I love Jin's projectile in SFxT, the fact that you can combo of the EX version is so damn cool
Jin has a projectile????
@@bidoofismyking8962 Jin punches a stationary orb of red energy into existence at different distances.
@@bidoofismyking8962 Only in SFxT. It's called penetrating fist.
@@bidoofismyking8962 they gave Jin SFEX2's Kairi projectile, think Viper's ground pound but it hits mid instead of low
they also gave Raven & Steve projectiles too in SxT
3:05
God your videos keep slapping. The C4 quote at the end just send it home. Man has bars!
'Man this attack is so cool and so unique' for over five minutes, and hes talking about an attack that the entire Tekken roster has in some form.
This counter crumple from standing fierce punch should become a staple of Ryu from here on out because it does fit the archetype of Ryu.
SF6 Ryu would be overtuned with it I feel
SFxT is absolutely underrated these days. I'm glad to see a video about it.
5:45 is one hell of a quote
Standing fierce seems like an integral part of Ryu's mid-range now in street fighter 6 since it can be single-hit confirmed into jodan shinengeki for a knockdown and damage and unlike his whirlwind kick, another single-hit confirmable poke with great range whose main weaknesses are drive impact and speed, standing fierce is much faster and you can cancel to super or a drive impact of your own to beat it.
i used to have sfxt on my ps vita and i had a lotta fun with it. my team was guile/zangief. yoshinori ono is nuts for makin that game
doom metal (i think) and fighting game theory/philosophy is just such a godlike combo.
you're also doing such a service to keep educating the new generation of players and the even newer ones who will undoubtedly start coming next week.
love your videos man, keep it up, much love.
In Alpha 3 it's one of the most reliable antiairs for me! It always gives me that satisfying echo of the counter hits and I love it
Yo....I love this yo....RIP to my friend CJ...but I let him borrow this game and never got it back because of his passing....I loved this game #Respect #StreetFighter #Tekken #Cross
Is that EMPRESS RISING in the background??? Was expecting Guile's theme or some shit. Nice pick!
I noticed in SFA3 the Shotos were heavy punching with a left hand.
It's funny when I first saw that button I was like "Hey that's kinda like Steve's b1 in Tekken" and here we are counterhitting normally safe advancing moves with a long hooking punch lmao. Actually a really subtle way of handling a potential problem Ryu otherwise would've had against the Tekken roster; giving him a counterhitting button in the vein of what that'd be in Tekken.
That would be so hype. “Ohh!!! Your mama just watch you mess up!!” Lol
Too bad that was Ken’s SF3 standing HP before they retconned it to Ryu. He finally got it back in SF6 as a drive impact move.
X Tekken needs a rerelease so bad. A gem-free mode that's inviting. What an amazing game once you get past the terrible DLC and GEM stuff. So good. Fingers crossed (!) for a reissue...and an SF EX collection.
they either need to rework or get rid of Pandora too, it's such a nothing game mechanic outside of the funky skin you get during it, except for Heihachi where he's just pissed that he didn't get to harness a demonic power that everyone else had(again)
They gave Ken his kicks, they HAD to give my man Ryu something. That hook was gangsta.
SFXT is the last game Capcom made where they got the animation of his Donkey Kick right.
Street Fighter X Tekken was my first introduction to both series. I didn't know all the mechanics (let alone how to do proper motion inputs), but I still had a lot of fun with it. I hope one day Capcom will re-release the game with all the DLC characters and at least include Megaman and Pacman in the roster.
Buddy...WHAT A COOL IDEA for a video! Another wonderful job yo, very inspirational as someone who aspires to one day make similar vids! Love love love it.
Sounds like a Crush Counter
I love the fact that Theory Fighter videos are just:
"Explain a concept/idea/circumstance in fighting games in a clear way that meshes with the viduals used for great entertainment" *Death Metal fades out into the distance*
This was the first Street fighter game i played, nice memories
Ryu's fierce counter follow-up inputs:
f.HP > j. MP(late) > cr.HP > qcf.P(hold) > fw.dash > cr.HP > qcb. LK
And if you have one block of meter you can dash cancel an EX-Hadouken (can also be charged to LV2 for free). The following attack will be a guaranteed counter on hit so if you link the fierce f.HP from said dash cancel, this combo can be done without even having to interrupt an opponent's startup.
Nice Portrayal Of Guilt shirt at 5:26 lol but fr, great video.
You know they gave Ken and Ryu this move in Smash Ultimate (performed with a tapped forward tilt input while close to an opponent, so you can't perform it raw in neutral. You'd get toe tap instead). It does not inflict a crumple, and it's only utility is that it pulls the opponent closer toward you for a more likely Shoryu connection. I don't rely on the "Opponent close" attacks because with Ultimate's input delay, there's little gaurantee that your opponent will still be within range by the time your input is read. Ken gets some good use out of it if you want to confirm into his unique roundhouse/axe kick moves.
I think the move it shows in the video is more like the third A in ken’s combo A+A+A (SSBU) if I remember well. What do you think?
@@firemane3498 Oh you're right, it's in the jab combo. The move I'm thinking of is kind of the same thing but with the opposite hand.
@@ZappBranniglenn true haha anyway have u used the heavy forward tilt as an anti aerial defense in smash? I wonder if it can be used as in this street fighter vs tekken video
I love this channel, always bribgs an interesting topic thank you bro keep going we love u
Had no idea that move had so much depth, great vid.
Left hook lethal in real life thrown just like that
Also DAMN I wish I could get my hands on SFxT... I was the only one of my crew that stuck with the game thru v2013 and always loved it, flaws and all. Fingers crossed it gets saved from purgatory soon!
You’re like Core-A Gaming if Core-A Gaming actually posted videos.
I've got a suggestion that this video reminded me of, for some reason. What about a video on alternate win conditions in fighting games?
It's not something you see very often due to the nature of fighting games, but it's interesting on the rare occasions where it does pop up.
Stuff like Naoto's instant kill mechanics in P4A (land a certain number of specials and then a super is a guarenteed KO)? If so, I agree
I swear half the reason I love these videos is hearing the doom metal droning along in the background
Damn, I remember SFXT being my most anticipated fighting game along with MK9 back when I saw SFXT's cinematic trailer back in 2011 but never got to play it, after watching this vid I fully want a remaster without the gems & the on disc DLC! :)
Omg im so happy cause i watched and followed him when bbtag came out, got a lil old. But im really getting into street fighter and i can listen to him ALL DAY 😂
I love this punch too! Secretly, I always thought that some discussion was needed about this button. However, why didn't you start with its original version (New generation)? I know it's basically the same thing, but I found it weird to start the video and see the sf4 version at the beginning.
The punch reworks the meter economy
TF is surely GOATED FGC content, no doubt. BUT THAT MUSIC. I had to go to the hospital after just the outro tune!
Sick! Disgusting! I LOVE IT
YOOO algorithm brought me here, and this video is so fkn well done! Sub'd and liked. Let's go.
Love the portrayal of guilt shirt! Saw them live in austin a month ago
Would've loved for you to say something about Ryu stand HP from CvS 2. It's been awhile, but i do remember it being a stand out button. Not quite the level of Blanka or Sagat c.HP, but still a lot better than it was in older games.
That’s basically Kazuya’s hook he does to set you up for…*D O R Y A*
I wish you made more videos, these feel like video essays but with a point, with a lot of unobvious information well explained without reusing shitty memes to address your point.
Yeah I agree
I love these "hard counters" in fighting games
Fatal Counter in BB being my favorite, because of the loud noise and voice clip
Your entire bloodline felt it when Susanoo's 6B went FATAL FATAL
The editing transition from 0:46 to 0:48 so good
I like how u keep using Monolord in the background of these videos. It's a pretty unique part of your channel compared to the rest of the FGC TH-cam.
Huh doom metal fan I assume?
Respect on that Portrayal of Guilt shirt.
final part of Ryu's jab combo in smash
It's great seeing some SFxT content in 2023. I absolutely loved this game when it game out
I really want a tekken with this artstyle
It brings back memories and its cool just in general
And now, SF6 Ryu has a standing heavy punch is a large fast special cancellable button, while the crumple state has gone to his feet
That animation has been burned into my mind. Thanks Akuma in T7 for deleting my health bar by comboing into this button
Thats not an sf button, that's a tekken button, and its glorious.
"i could go on"
Please, do go on
Actually in third strike its extremely good its actually an amazing ant air tool cuz it links into roundhouse so if someone parries the fierce they get hit with the round house. Between crouching fierce, roundhouse and and shoryu it makes ryus anti air tool kit one of the best and unpredictable and medium jab as well
song is empress rising by monolord btw
The Super Street Fighter 4 box art has Ryu doing this punch
dude your content rocks
Love it when the flavor matches the mechanics
Played this game for 11 years and never knew he got that combo from CH St.HP lol
sick portrayal of guilt shirt though
It's pronounced "BLAZE Blue".
But dang, as someone who only ever played this game casually, I never realized how much one weird counter hit property on a move you wouldn't use otherwise could change how you play a game so much.
A textbook left hook. One of the most devastating strikes in all fighting sports. Ryu has mastered it, not even Steve who’s a boxer has a left hook this mean.
Harada in the middle of T7's design philosophy: Yo, what if a good chunk of characters' b+1 is like Ryu's st.HP?
You don't have say, this Punch comes from the Street Fighter 3 Series.
So, first appearance was in Street Fighter 3 A New Generation 1997
Portrayal of Guilt shirt? Great taste. Amazing band.
I love the Street Fighter x Tekken Support and Notice!
Dat Portrayal of Guilt shirt doe
I love that hook punch. Looks devastating
It's not a bad counter-poke in 3s either. There was something really satisfying about landing it, disproportionate to it's actual strength.
In 3S it target comboed into hk so you could anti air jumping parry attempts with HP > HK. That said, I don't know if it would hold up at the highest level of play.
That Leo quote is too real
Amazing video!
I really like ryu's st.HP in SF3 New Generation and 2nd Impact. It has no uses on grounded opponents but it hits people really well in the air and people do jump a lot because of air parry. If they are close, cl.HP is also does the job. But sadly the move comes out much slower in 3rd Strike...
Those transitions, damn!
If you love st. HP, you'll love Jeremy Mansford's SF tribute
A buddy of mine Michael is in Portrayal of Guilt