The MOST BROKEN Grappler in Street Fighter History!?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 14 มิ.ย. 2024
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Let's talk T Hawk. This unassuming character in Super Street Fighter 2: Turbo can actually do some pretty dumb stuff, including essentially breaking the rules of the game with his Mexican Typhoon command grab. Hope you enjoy the video!
Check out the Super Turbo Saturdays T. Hawk video here: • Super Turbo Saturdays ...
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0:00 intro
0:41 disclaimer
2:37 character overview
12:33 online matches - เกม
Just wanted to plug Rooflemonger's video one more time, please watch that one too! th-cam.com/video/r_crVlAESRA/w-d-xo.html
Rooflemonger is such a badass content creator and really does his part to educate folks about what makes games fun and cool.
LOL I saw that yesterday
Doesn't T hawk's jumping LK extend his hitbox to grab from farther away? Used to saw that in old SF2X videos
Dude, yours is way better.
Bro that Vega Guy was so Bad because He only Jumped to the Wall what a coward
All T.Hawk videos are welcome. All FGC content creators should make their own T.Hawk video or be expelled from the FGC. The T.Hawkalypse has begun
Lol what a coincidence
That's a tattoo, right there!!
Pretty sure you both stole this video from Clayton, c'mon! /s
it begins
And just yesterday I watched your T.Hawk vid. Love your stuff dude
I hate this character...
I thought you hated Super Turbo as a whole HAHAHAH
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why you hating on T. Hawk? man's innocent.
@@nybethobdilord6912 Justin and grapplers go together like oil and water
@@nybethobdilord6912 Justin hates All Grapplers, he even made a few videos with that in mind
Bruh, I used to main T.Hawk in every street fighter he was in, and my cousins and friends HATED me - calling me a cheater and whatnot. I seriously thought he was awful at first just because I didn't know what a "grappler" was when I was a kid, but I was dedicated to learn all his moves cuz he was the only Mexican Street Fighter character at the time. Once I learned all his busted shit, I went ham and essentially got him banned in my own household.
Hawk and Gief, gatekeepers of an ancient hollowed ground of gaming.
Mexican? Isn’t he Native American?
@@sheefo it´s complicated lol
GOOSE!!!!!
@@sheefo I mean... They were all Native Americans before they became Mexicans, yeah? Conquistadors and what not~
I always thought it was weird that they made Tony Hawk's command grab a 360 instead of a 900.
This comment brought me joy
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I always thought his name should be Timothy Hawk lol
Good comment. Have a like.
Tony Hawk didn’t land the 900 until 1999, 6 years after Super SF2. Still a good joke though, not to worry.
I really like how T-Hawk helps balance the planet with his stance. Thank you, T-Hawk. The unsung hero.
Thawk in the hands of the CPU was supercheap. Also, grabbing a person's head and spinning his or her body around by the neck is instant murder.
Lol lol I know right
Rule of cool
It's how one of my grand uncles used to kill chickens
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@@Xmasta420 lmao
Always hated playing against T.Hawk. The hardest character to counter, ever.
One word: Blanka.
Honda... a good Honda can cover every possible thing you want to do. He has stored oicho throw which will come out faster than yours, and it isn't possible to be within range to throw the Honda without him being able to release a button and throw you. When they asked the best Japanese Hawk players how they dealt with Honda, they said they didn't try to win, they just tried to get an early life lead and run away from him until the time ran down. Shit is like a 9-1 matchup.
Claw's thin hurtbox makes him tricky for some non-grapplers, too. Trying to land Dictator's big combos on him is hard for the same reason.
Yea Fei Long cant hit his combos properly on him either.
I barely played Turbo, but T.Hawk was my favorite casual character just on account of giant legs and awesome stage music.
I never knew there were two versions of everyone in ST. That's pretty neat.
Yep. The reason they're called "old" versions is because they are based on their appearance in Super Street Fighter 2: The New Challengers, the predecessor to SSF2 Turbo (this game). That's why they don't have a super meter; original SSF2 doesn't have super moves.
A lot of characters in "Super Turbo" got some new moves and reworks to their frame data to help them be more competitive. That's why a lot of the old characters are considered inferior to their "new" counterparts. However there are exceptions like O.Sagat, who was really good in vanilla SSF2 and got nerfed in ST. O.Sagat is considered the strongest legal character in the game (Akuma is not legal) so some tournaments will softban him, meaning he's allowed but discouraged to use.
@@max-d8105 Isn't Claw/Vega the strongest legal character when played at the highest level (i.e. by Japanese players)? I guess they're one and two either way.
@@megavolt67 technically yea since japan softbans O.Sagat. Claw is really strong but he needs that knockdown in order to start the vortex. He's like a better functioning grappler since Gief and Hawk have the same KD game plan but not quite as strong.
The difference between Claw and O.Sagat is that Claw has more favorable matchups while O.Sagat has more advantageous ones.
Only two worthy old characters in my humble opinion are old Sagat and old Ken. Other than those two, don’t bother really
@Debo O.Ryu is worth mentioning. Fireball game is better. Better DP. Air tatsu is randomly unblockable for some reason.
I've always liked T.Hawk to me he's one of the more underrated Street Fighter characters. We need more fighters from Mexico.
For what?
@@mahayanaconfidential6452because "World Warior" and no other explanation required. This is one of the few game series where his request or ones like it actually makes sense.
@@mahayanaconfidential6452 For fun
No mames
Isn't El Fuerte from Mexico too?
That Barlrog wasn't bad at all. Whoever it was playing him definitely knows how to make Vega look like Vega.
Now I wish we lived in an alternative reality where T.Hawk actually ended up in The Movie The Game. (Sadly, his actor bailed on it on the day of filming... which was probably smart)
So T Hawk and Zangief are both "grapplers" but play so completely different. Could you do a video on the nuances of different grappler playstyles?
“nuances”
“grapplers”
_The Sophisticated Art of Spinning Joystick_ 🧐
@@deadfr0g yes.
It's a jank side effect of initial release. Prior to Super 2 Zangief had no whiff animation for his command grab so he could pretty much do the same thing with SPD, but Zangief is also super slow with a bad jump so he had to work much harder to get in because he had no moves that helped him approach. It wasn't until Super 2 Turbo that Zangief got the Banishing Flat (AKA, Green Hand,) that he got a move with good forward momentum to help his SPD setups. T.Hawk had all that right out of the box and with much better maneuverability.
@@Anomaly188 wasn't there also a glitched version where gief could grab your ass from across the screen when he blocks fire balls?
@@windhelmguard5295 That's Rainbow Edition, a Chinese hack of Champion Edition.
I loved ST Saturdays! I saw that O.Hawk tech video as well and it blew my mind that this character was so powerful in the right hands. I'm surprised you didn't mention T.Hawk's command grab/DP OS. That one is nuts too. Damdai is a legend! Nice video here as well. I definitely learned at least a few things I didn't already know.
After this, you should look at Daimon from Kof series. Believe me... he is really a force to be reckoned with.
i've played him in a few games he and Clark are super sick grapplers
Man I would love to see more videos breaking down KoF grapplers. Links plz! Always wanted to main Shermie, Clark or Daimon.
More like Iori and his kuzukaze infinite. I think it was 97.
Clarke was beast in 96 and Diamon is alpha of 98. Overall, Diamon I would say the most fearless, brutal and highly damaging grappler in KOF but in later editions, they made him weak. In fact whole game got changed after their game developers got changed. I am referring to editions made after 98.
@@kuljeetsingh8395 even so they still give him big numbers, I believe he has the hardest hitting neo max of XIII
That Claw player has definitely seen his fair share of cheap T.Hawks
I always *loved* T.Hawk. I remember the overriding sentiment at launch of Super in 1993 in my arcades and in the magazines and guides I read was that he was a bad character and useless in a fight. I wasn’t having any of that. Zangief was one of my strongest characters though... but regardless, just look at what we know decades later...Shows what they knew!
T.Hawk would go on to be pretty bad in every iteration of SF4 but I still loved playing him. Especially picking Ultra Combo W and surprising my opponent with Raging Slash when they jump
O. T. Hawk is very solid, probably better than the other grapplers in Super Turbo
@@mediumchungus9662 Almost as funny as when you suddenly decide to protect Russia's skies and bust out the Siberian Blizzard. :p
@@Nehfarius exactly 💯
The tech wasn't discovered until around 2012 haha.
Love the content. I want more super turbo character focused ones like this. I learn something new every time.
I'm very happy too see my boy T. Hawk getting some love lately
dang its always a good day when Jmcrofts uploads an analysis of older FG characters! Keep up the content, I am always here to like and comment. Hopefully you can get more traffic since coming back from vacation!
This is the content I subbed for! Informative videos about games that teach me strange little nuances of characters. Like the one about the Dee Jay - Honda match, where you taught loaded oicho, even though I'll never play SFII that video lives in my head rent free.
Great vid, the fact that you apply the knowledge in real matches make yours videos quite fun
A really good Vega/Balrog player is tough to counter with a grappler.
I didn't remember about this for T.Hawk in SSFII. I remember that thing about not having the empty grab happens in the first SFII and the first SF EX for Zangief, if you miss a SPD you got a punch, but it was corrected. I thought taht was the case for T.Hawk too, I guess I remember him doing an empty grab from Alpha or something.
Yea he had a whiff animation in the Alpha games, then it was added in the HD remix of SSF2.
By the way, it was Sako who pioneered T. Hawk's tick technique.
This is why citing shit important. He didn’t find this shit out. Everyone knows Sako pioneered this
@@DonShotta24 inomata is the creator.
@@DonShotta24 dude never claimed to have found anything. You mad bro.
@@DonShotta24 I think he invented the DP install with the negative edge SPD
I might be wrong, but I think most characters in SF2 have about 2-4 moves, but Vega has like 8. He truly has a move for any occasion.
^This. I think even if he didn't have wall dives he would still be busted.... a character with the fastest walk speed and the 2nd longest ranged normals is a NASTY combination.
Classy move shouting out Roof’s video. Good stuff, JM. Love the content
Me and my cousins in 1993: Barlog lol
jmcrofts in 2022: Barlog lol
The classics never go out of style.
Literally watched the Rooflemonger video yesterday lol Glad to see all this great content!
That honesty deserves a like. Most content creators nowadays barely even cite their reference vids. You on the other hand, were honest. Great job.
Really enjoyed ur video and how you break down the mechanics of a game that was made over 2 decades ago. Brings a fresh light to why street fighter is such a legendary classic
Super glad you linked the Rooflemonger vid. I saw it on my feed scrolling, but I was looking for something. I saw yours and thought it was the same video
Super turbo content for days, yes please.
T. Hawk also had one of the best musical themes in the game
I would love to see you cover more ST characters! My vote is for Dictator!
Fantasy Strike’s Midori’s Honor Stance is loosely based on this option select as well. Specifically Honda’s version, but it’s the same general idea as Hawk’s version
I watched both your and Rooflemonger's video and both are great!
Hi! Just wanted to say i subscribed immediately. First time i watched your channel. Love the enthusiasm, respectful attitude towards opponents and cheerful disposition.
Glad you still posted the video and I think it's even cooler that you mentioned it. This is the ideal turn of events! Hell yes!
I got matched up against a T. Hawk on fightcade and I haven’t played ST since lol
Btw would love to see a video on ST Chun!
My first FG was DBFZ. My main team was Basegeta, Gotenks, and Trunks. I've since learned that team prepared me for a LOT without knowing. I learned stricter combo timing and shortcuts for Basegeta loops, learned Negative Edge for Gotenks ghosts, and I learned how to tiger knee consistently and combo route with Trunks.
cool story bro
@@Flameb0 thanks :)
I think these types of videos are super cool. I would love to see more
Nice vid I used to play with T.Hawk back in the day and this vid reminded me why dang now I'm itching to play
Dude if you have a video, I always watch over someone elses. Your videos are always super interesting and you have a fantastic attitude! Much love brother!
T. Hawk is one of my favorite characters. I think he's really fun, and I actually decided to use him instead of Guile because in part of this video and in part due to his love of nature and great personality.
Thanks for another awesome upload!
Nice vid. Was chuckling with you.
@jmcrofts, how do you keep such a fun, carefree attitude when playing? Do you have a video on beating the salt or tips about one's attitude? Regardless, good stuff cannot wait to see what all comes out this year!
No need for a whole video. You just have to realize you won't win tilted, so you suck it up and focus. If you can practice combos and footsies, you can practice remaining calm. Getting angry is the same as giving up. If you really believe you can win, there's nothing to be upset about. Now, getting salty after the set is over... That's another story.
I used to love super turbo Saturdays. I remember this episode too, it's when the tech was first discovered.
Big shoutout to Super Turbo Saturdays and my man Damdai!
Love those videos
I miss Super Turbo Saturdays.
Cool analysis- had no idea his old version was so different!
Never thought of t.hawk as a good character very cool vid! Maybe do some other lesser used characters. Would love to see deejay used at a high level
type in “SSF2T Dee Jay Pro Matches/“ and you’ll find some.
Deejay is actually pretty damn good and doesn't have any lopsided matchups that are not in his favor. Look up AfroLegends and you will find tons of matches of him on Deejay.
He is not, Old Hawk is mid tier, I respect the creator of the video, but Hawk is not top tier, this is misinformation.
You didn't mention the DP install off the safe jump in the corner. Basically T. Hawk can input a DP with that safe jump LP and get an option select jab uppercut if the opponent reversal there. If basically anyone reversals there they get beat by Hawk's DP and he gets a free safe jump again.
Exactly. From what I understand, they do the safe jump LP (hold all punch buttons), then a bit before you land you start in down back, spin the stick clockwise (P1 side) until you get to down back again, then move the stick to down forward and piano release.
I'm glad you mentioned that grabs cannot be jumped out of in your video as opposed to rooflemonger's. Your video covers thawk in ST a lot more in depth than his video. I'm glad you pointed out the differences with o hawk vs n hawk as well. Just a note, Zangief could always negative edge SPD up until Super Street Fighter 2 when Thawk came along. Gief's sako ticks were a lot more deadly in earlier SF2 as he had way more range and also a lot safer tick setups. And one final note, yes o hawk is infinitely better than n hawk, HOWEVER, I would argue any true hawk player plays n hawk because of 1 factor, the 720. There's no reason to play hawk unless it's to land that 720. That is pretty much the ONLY reason why someone would want to play thawk. It's not about the damage. It's about style. Nothing more satisfying that doing a walk up 720 with Thawk. Keep churning that butter my friends!
There was a yt channel doing super turbo tournaments where winner stays on. Usually the rare T. hawk would be N Hawk. It was in Japanese and I don't have any idea why. Maybe just the half health super was worth?
@@Wheatsolo Japanese players don't tend to use old characters. They will stick with new characters. Only Yakitori plays o hawk. If you're going to use thawk, you might as well use new hawk to do the 720. Really that's the only reason to use the character.
I literally had your video and rooflemonger's on my watch later list on top of each other lmaoooo
my dad always loved playing him but he never knew about 360 or dp inputs so he just spams condor dive, it used to be tricky for me to beat when i was little till i figured out how to anti air later on
I've been looking for T. Hawk videos! I remembered him being a pain to fight.
ST Honda also has no whiff animation for his command grab, so he can use the same tick throw OS. It was usually done out of his cr. jab if I recall correctly.
Correct, but t hawk can also option select into a DP while doing this
Yo! I was the Claw player, tbh I saw your name on fightcade and figured someone was just using your name lmao,
Your T. Hawk's def good as hell
You were fenomenal!
Omg i have not heard Vega yodel in like over 20 years, what a trip you sent me on just now. Thank you
Man I missed super turbo Saturday's. Really wished that series continued
I love your content u make me love fighting games so much more
Loved the video. Wouldn't mind getting some Bison, Balrog, and Sagat.
Man I remember when you first spread the Old Hawk gospel to us in college lol. I had no clue how good he was before you rolled us over with him at club! Awesome video
E. Honda has the same negative edge ability. He actually got to keep it in HDR
A video on how busted Vega/Claw is in this game would be cool. Also, could you touch on some of the differences between the 2 versions of him too?
Seb was chill guy. I remember him showing up to a lot of events back in the day.
His videos are still a huge inspiration for me
@@jmcrofts Some by best fgc memories are from that time. He'd show up Wallcade and was open to having people commentate if they wished. It was that transition time from the old to how things are now.
I actually watched the roofle video the day it came out, and was also interested in your video, you're both good content creators,it won't be bad even if both of you made part 2 on this subject hhhhh.
Don't forget about E.Honda's stored Oochio Throw in ST 😜
Great vid. More ST!
Talking about throw softens made me wonder: Can I mash out of the “noogie” throws, or am I just imagining it helps?
Mashing/spinning the stick does get you out of holds faster, yeah.
By the way I used to watch your collection videos ages ago, think we played SSF4 at some point too!
@@hurricanemixer Awesome man! Long time no see! We should play again sometime, I’m always ready 👊
You can mash to get out of holds faster and the other guy can mash while doing the hold to get in more hits. There's also an RNG element to the holds on how fast the hits happen that's independent of how much one is mashing.
I was JUST about to mention it's funny that Rooflemonger just made a T Hawk video too, and then you mentioned it, lol.
I love your vids dude,ive been playing street fighter heavy for years an thats educational even tho I don't play Hawk,I play Bison lol.
That was a nice set against Balrog.
Just getting into fighting games seriously as I am building my first fight stick this month. Can you do something like this, with an explanation and some fights for examples for Darkstalkers?
Do a video on T.Hawk from SF4. Id love to see an indepth analysis.
I love these “hidden gem” videos.
Watching jm go red during the disclaimer was priceless.
Big respect to you acknowledging the other video, even if it was a coincidence. Great job!
Thanks for mentioning rooflemongers vid
Inescapable ? I thought Ryu can reverse with Tatsumaki in order to escape the negative edge and preventing getting eaten by the loop of doom from T Hawk.
If he does the safe tick throw option select then he will he able to block or counter the Tatsu and a crouching light punch is all he needs to stop it, and Ryu gets put essentially back in the same spot he was in
T Hawk’s super in ST gets ludicrous range. MUCH farther then his regular Typhon. And since you can’t miss with it, you can just spam it constantly until they happen to be in range.
Ooooh I actually thought I already watched your vid but it was actually Roof’s video 😂
Wow, never tought this could be such an fierce character to play with, even with me being horrible with grappel fighters!
T. Hawk was my favorite by far when he was first introduced when I was a young unsespecting lad. Now I understand why I felt so strong with him. It was sadly not only because my skills...
I remember him having a TOD cross-up. It was so satisfying to land.
he doesn't
@@luiggiibanez
He definitely does in HDR, but it doesn't work on all characters.
Does all this apply to the Anniversary version, where you can just select S. THawk instead of ST. THawk? It would be fun to try out S. THawk out with these methods.
Say what you want
Zangief still gives me nightmares with those grappling moves taking half of my life
Please keep the the ST content coming! Im really curious about the tier list now that the game has been out for so long. I heard Ryu is top tier in this game.
Ryu is really good in this game and a solid choice. At the very top are things like Old Sagat, Claw, and Boxer, but he's not that far behind and you see him all the time in tournaments.
Can someone explain the box colors at 9:22. I know they're in the training mode in Fightcade. Red is the attack box and i think the green is your own box that you dont want the opponent to hit. But there is also a black box and a plus sign when jumping. is there a place we can read about these?
You just actually broke my brain. This whole time I thought both of you were rooflemonger!!! WHO THE HELL IS THE JMCROFTS IMPOSTER? HOW LONG HAS THIS BEEN HAPPENING?????? Here I was, wondering why you made two back-to-back T Hawk videos...
the thawk stars have aligned
everyone on the thawk wavelength
You should do fei long, I feel like I’ve never seen a video on him but I think he’s a cool character
Japanese players can do some crazy stuff with him. He can also kind of almost deal with Claw's shenanigans which is a big deal in the meta. I think Super Turbo Saturdays had a video on Fei Long and you can also look up JigglyNorris who is a player who uses Fei. He takes a lot of skill and you have to take risks to get in but is very satisfying.
The final part of that video - conclusive proof that T. Hawk is still T.Hawk.
The algorithm recommended both. It's not scary that you both had the same thought outta scary that the algorithm was right.
Great that you gave a shoutout to rooflemonger. I don’t think anyone assumed you stole the idea
It's fine. We get two videos instead of one. Even better.
More content like this with OG stuff please bro \o/
Dumb question but what app or platform do you use to play online matches?
All good man, I'm completely believe you and you acknowledging him just makes it better. I already watch rooflemonger's video, just laugh when I saw your video up 🤣🤣🤣