@@CPthetooladdictsome what unrelated. Dunno if you've noticed comments decreasing or people accusing you of deleting them. But if it's happening I am aware it's not you. There's a definite pattern to the deletion. But when I pointed out on other channels the comments were deleted as well. It is not offensive or vulgar comments. But this will effectively target the interaction metrics for certain channels. If you already knew sorry to bring it up.
@JAERepair yes youtube is weeding out troll accounts and negative responses it's a censorship that's debatable but I don't hate it I have a extremely great core group of people that make comments and I appreciate good constructive criticism and unfortunately the world is changing so silencing some people is okay and not having to deal with them makes my work much more enjoyable.
My issue with it, is that snap on used that "test" any time they tried to push those wrenches on somebody, now that they got beat on a plastic nut now its an old irrelavent test lol and then every test they did at the expo against icon you can tell they manipulated the icon wrenches to make them slip almost instantly lol hell i bought the icon wrenches because of the price mainly, that sale they had on the weekend was too good to pass up...but yes as we talk tools its always up to the audience to decide on what fits their budget
Oh and let me add the excuse that the snappy boys say "made in usa" for price points, support thy neighbor but in these days can you really trust your neighbor, usa made should be affordable yet we get price gouged on our own soil but the reason its not is because in the USA we complain about pay, we want more pay and do less work so then the price of manufacturing goes up
@FluffyMexicanik you are so right. We as workers want more and more but what happens is those products and services are going to go up as well.we are our worst enemy in a way.
@@shannondickenson8294 yessss bro, and then we complain when the prices go up, it took me until recently to realise that even at the dealer, we complain about our labor rate being to high yet we want raises to keep up with the economy, which in turn we end up with less customers buying services and repairs 🥴🥴
@FluffyMexicanik Let us work together towards making the price more affordable. Unfortunately, customers often compare our prices to those of other brands like Snap-on and pro tools, which they use as an excuse for the high cost of repairs. This is a hypocritical situation since we cannot create more jobs or generate self-sustaining economic growth if we continue to outsource our work to other countries. The reality is that Made in the USA is not just an excuse, but a fact that leads to greater wealth and job security, which in turn benefits the nation as a whole. To avoid becoming like other third-world countries that rely on external support, we need to focus on building our own economy and sustaining growth from within.
So true. I have been buying and using Snap-on tools for 47 years. I consider it an investment. They get the job done and waranties are easy. Set a budget and buy a lifetime tool.
Snap on brought this out in the mid 1980's and a boy I worked with could strip the plastic hex part with an old SK wrench raised panel C series wrench every time and the Snap on man stood there just saying this isn't suppose to happen he couldn't believe it.
Hello CP& SUNNY: Thank you for this video sir. I'm sorry to hear about your back pain as I know what it is on a constant basis since 2004. I don't care how many tools a mechanic has you body will take a beating over time. In this day of high inflation we are all looking for value. As a mater of fact I had this same conversation with a landscaper tonight that does his own repairs ,& maintenance on his equipment and vehicles. Yesterday he just purchased a metric set of Icon wrenches & uses them ad a DIY. For his apication it works for him & I must agree with him. Well said CP but I miss your right hand, SUNNY. God Bless, get well, & stay safe. TMP from N.J.
Well said. This whole Snap-On vs HFT Icon debate is as silly as knocking down someone for buying their first car be it a pinto or a fiesta, instead of congratulating them for making it in the tool world. It’s not like all are or were Snap-On target customers to start with. We all know who the top brands are, but most and especially first buyers, may choose value instead. You know, the old adage of a saying, where quality and price intersect. Anything else is just a piss contest.
Why did harbor freight enthusiasts actually think this was a viable and realistic thing is even more confusing. lol, it's kinda odd that they support unrealistic test like this to support false narratives of their tool selection.
Most people don’t disagree that Snap-On is professional and Icon is DIY grade. Most people are just looking for the closest thing to prograde at an affordable price. Snap On is amazing but you need to make $400,000 a year to afford hand tools, power tools, specialized hand tools, diagnostic tools, tool chests all made by Snap -On. Otherwise you’ll spend your career in debt. How long something lasts is almost irrelevant with lifetime warranties. Sure ICON could disappear but with inflation, so can Snap-on. And don’t tell me people don’t break snap on tools.
Even if Icon got discontinued; it'd be like owning old SK or Craftsman. Even original Husky and Kobalt back when it was rumored a big tool brand was making them.
I'm not sure you can call Icon "DIY" when at least half of the 25 techs in my auto shop are using the brand daily for years now. If anything Icon is overkill for home use. Meanwhile I've had to warranty 2 Snap-On sockets in the last 3 years, Snap-On isn't the quality it used to be and people are insane for paying today's prices for it. They're 3-4x as expensive as they used to be not long ago.
@@COBRO98 their high prices will be their downfall as they price themselves out of the market and their sales decline. Lamborghini tool boxes and all. If their competitors really wanted them gone; they could team up and play hard ball for a little while too really put the pressure on them. Each company drop the price on an item to really make snap off uncompetitive.
I completely agree. I’ve been a Heavy Truck Technician for 34 years. In tech school we had the SnapOn stuff blown up our asses. I have worked most of my career with Craftsman. I do have a fair amount of SnapOn and Mac, but have decided that I’m tired of paying huge money for their stuff. Mac has gotten very bad about foreign made stuff at high prices. I’ve been replacing Craftsman with Icon and am very happy with their quality and customer service. Remember, it’s the technician that makes the tools, not the tools that make the technician.
IIRC: That plastic nutblock is Snap-On truck demo prop provided by SO (not free). I paid less than that ICON box for my Snap-On box off the truck new 2018 when they code named it IQON KCP series. I believe the SO rep felt bad for me for 60% off MSRP (as that discount only applied to me and other tech discount differed drastically and grateful for the rep) .
That is interesting information if they were providing them. However to me even that being the case Snap-Ons own test is flawed which Sherwood proved in a follow-up video the other day. The teeth are more aggressive on the Snap-On wrenches and eat through the plastic more than the Icon opposed to gripping it. The opposite is true on metal. The Snap-On bite into the metal better than Icon and grip it better.
@@pedaltheglobe419 Exactly. Watch the video from the recent Snap-on trade show in FL. 6 or 7 other wrenches slipped off with little effort while the SO rocked and pulled the table with the vise that the rod was clamped in. I would post the link but it has not appeared on you tube where I posted it for some reason.
The fact that so many people lost their s$-# over this video about a wrench is just mind boggling. Its like yall. Its a wrench. And yes they both suck in my opinion. Give me a wright wrightgrip wrench and well wreck the world
Icon is priced higher than known quality brands and as much or close to tool truck prices. I bought one of the ratchets and had to return it 3 to get one that works. I won't buy another icon tool.
Cp you hit it right on a nose. What we have to learn is not to follow the marketing. Usually I try to buy good quality tools in the mid-range whether it be off the truck online or at harbor freight most of the time. The harbor freight stuff is only good for a little while. As long as it gets the job done then I'm working on and I haven't spent a lot of money on it. I really don't matter to me but that's me. I'm not making my living and supporting a family to where I can think like that so we all have choices. Bottom line when you're going tool shopping, Go to whoever you can afford that has decent quality stuff. Keep you off a tool truck. It can be from harbor freight it could be from a flea market or garage sale as long as this tool works for you. That's all that matters. It don't have to be shiny and new I've had wrenches for over 35 years. I've had harbor freight stuff for over 35 years. Yeah the wrenches didn't last. I have some nut drivers that are still good and I have some screwdrivers that are still good. Go figure. Butt, this was back when quality was still there in this country I remember when harbor freight was selling Milwaukee and and Stanley air nailers back in the day. Harbor freight was once a good company that went corporate.
CP please share what was shady about the new Snap on test. From your video it looks like you are referring to the recent Snap on trade show in FL. That test looks much better than the plastic nut.
Who cares that an open end wrench slips at 100 ft lbs…what does that prove exactly? Seems like a very engineer thing to do. The better tool is the one that holds up under hundreds or thousands of uses and painless warranty.
So I noticed that you when referring to tools referred to their brands snap on and harbor freight. Which that’s not really the big issue I guess I would really like it. If you would call them icon versus snap on because icon is the brand of Tool Harbor freight is just a store where they sell those tools that’s it, so why can’t you refer to the brand of the tool not the store that it’s sold at?
Hey C.P, I just started watching your videos not too long ago. I am 17 and I am currently in community college trying to become a mechanic (Hopefully I will be able to get the certifications for all areas). I am working part time and I am trying to get another job that pays more. However, I am dirt broke. I have been going to Harbor Freight and buying Icon and Bauer. I know Bauer is kinda cheap, and Icon is not that great for larger trucks. I own a 2001 dodge 3500 Diesel, so I lack some braincells lol. I should get to the point, what type of tools should I be buying? What brands would you recommend? What brands make good Power Tools? I don’t know if you will see this, please get back to me if you can.
Snap on makes great wrenches. Icon makes great wrenchs. To me, the argument is a bit silly. You should be fine to any job with either of these wrenches.
Only plastic nuts I have come across was with plumbing and packing. In packaging they were just to be more decorative than zip ties. Plumbing was in faucets and toilet parts. Nothing that was going to survive disassembly after some nice mineral laden water ( no one in my area drinking well water should have a calcium deficiency) with any brand wrench or pliers
I’m so sick of the advs X debate. Get what you want, who cares. There’s been times that they’ve shown Icon can be bought a lot cheaper under another brand but they compare it to SnapOn so it looks like a steal. Get what you want and shut the hell up.
I don't watch tool comparison videos anymore. I saw 3 different wrenches from Tribus Tools break in about 15 minutes. To only turn around and see a certain tool channel take us inside Tribus and tell us what a great company and product they have. The Texas Twister, every Texas Twister I have seen is like brand new because the tech tried it 2 or 3 times and it failed, and yet again a certain tool channel was on a truck with The Texas Twister on sale giving it the full promo. If I want Mac, Snap-On, Cornwell or Matco I watch your videos. If I can't afford those, I watch Coyle Tools for a less expensive option. Peace
Could not have said it better use the tools that make you happy and confident for the job at hand!!!! People need to stop hating over tools this is silly!!
Solid Vid CP, well said! I was envisioning you standing at a podium in your Sunday coveralls, wrench in hand, raised above your head, with an American flag backdrop, bald eagle perched on your shoulder and the anthem quietly playing in the background. CP for president!
@@CPthetooladdictHaha I was just kiddin with ya. It was jut a well spoken vid with a good cadence.... Agreed. I lasted a month as a director on the local Chamber of Commerce. That's barely politics, but there was enough knob gobbling and reach arounds in that short time for me to give it a hard pass....I saw that SO plastic nut vid, and knew people would lose their collective minds in short order lol
Lol, I'm not surprised. I went to a local town council meeting and knew I would never go back. The shenanigans that were being played are pretty much an indication of people with ego trips.
Hello again, CP Thank you for another Great Video 👍 I couldn't agree with you more, I try my best with new mechanics to inform them to buy the best tools you can afford for you and your family. Then upgrade to better tools later. As well as the speech about not going into debt. You know CP, while I was on active duty. I went from cheap very easy to break Asian tools. In which I lost a fair amount of blood. That stopped when the Air Force changed to Craftsman Tools. And then later changed again to Snap-on Tools. To me they felt like the same tool. I guess, I got spoiled lol. Again thank you 👌
Who cares about icon or snapon anyway. Buy some wright grip 2.0's and forget about the others. I own snap on and prefer the wrights. They are less than snap on, but more than Icon. They are made in america and are honestly awesome wrenches. Only down side to them is they are a touch wider than the snappys are. Been thinking about selling my snap ons and going all wrights actually
I hope your back feels better. I only have a couple snap on and rbrts I got over the years for certain sizes. I do work w everything plastic like those nylon nuts and mine have foam sprayed on them and in the threads you are trying to get them off of. I actually carry old craftsman ratchet combo wrenches and snap on every day. For the size nuts he uses I try to not use a tool to install them and just go hand tight while I push hard from the other side. I usually use my cobras and go like 1/4 turn past hand tight at most if I can’t make them stop leaking. I was going to grab the hf sets to try but I didn’t want to pay full price for them and do my trick going back to get my money back. They were sold out when I got there on Tuesday. Maybe they stocked more this week and I can grab them today since they brought the sale back. I’m definitely going to get that plug in sprayer
I love my Snap-On, Matco, and Mac(wrenches only). However if there is a tool that I really want to try I'll grab the icon version and see if I like it or if it works. That way if I end up not liking it or it doesn't work well I'm not out a ton of money. However I I'm a little impressed with a few things about icon. I do think they work better than a lot of the other options you can get at home Depot or Lowe's
I personally prefer Snap-On wrenches, simply because they feel good in my hands. I’ve bought and used Craftsman, ICON, Mac, and Matco. Other then the Craftsman opening up on tight fasteners, the other all perform perfectly fine, they just weren’t comfortable to me. That fact alone makes the Snap-On worth every penny to me. They are how I make my money day in and day out.
You know what else feels good in my hands? Boobs. But I'm not going to drop thousands of dollars for "the way they feel". It's a freakin' piece of metal, fella. Get a grip.
Professional if they’re not better than or bought or less than quality feel like this test has to be redone with line fittings And we should also bring in Mac wrenches from overseas into this as well
If the damn icon truck would show up at work, that’s what I would buy. Hell I might even take a trip to the store if I could buy one piece at a time if I needed.
I don’t get that the snap on beat icon when they came out on mr Subaru’s channel 5 years ago but 1 icon gets a small win and all sudden it’s a big deal it ain’t in my area cause im north and people don’t care cause the torch is the real wrench
@@CPthetooladdict people must’ve forgotten not everything on Facebook is real too I can take my blue point wrenches I had since I first started and you can grab a similar one and we can use them all day till one breaks and that don’t matter cause lifetime warranty and easy out sockets take care of everything
I don’t care what anybody thinks of the tools I buy or anything else that I buy. Junk yard tools, pick up truck tool set, side box tool set are great uses for harbor freight tools. Big wrenches 🔧 that you hardly use don’t have to be brand names. I think the smaller wrenches 🔧 it’s more important to have tight tolerances so I would definitely go with truck brand for all day every day, 20 years
Run what ya brung. Everyine has a choice. What are you able/willing to spend on tools? Everyone has a limit. Me personally? I have a very wide range of tools. Top flite isnt always what i reach for. Some tools just work/feel better when you use them. Top tier isn't aleays where it's at. Ive bought tools on the truck, for years.(since 87) but I've bought tools at oreilly as well. And auto zone. Been equally happy with both.
Chad, Do you know any different substitutes for the Snap On A15A? Drag link sockets are different and I need a slot that's between 1"-1.25" for a bridge part.
Man thats a tough one I'd suggest ebay www.ebay.com/itm/335113482753?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=0Az4EMu9RMq&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=negpgqo3r-c&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY
Point is it's a plastic nut!!! If snap on didn't destroy the plastic nut I'd of been pissed. What about quality of metals, forging, chroming and supporting American made. Besides who's psyched to find a set of icon at the pawn shop.
I don’t care what people buy I have a bit of everything. I actually picked up the HF wrenches this past week outside the video about busting a nut… I’ve used the SO and they seem to be an overall better quality wrench. But the icon are certainly more than enough for the home gamer. I wanted wrightgrips but just couldn’t afford them right now and I needed some more aggressive wrenches now. What I do find funny is the same people who woulda used this test as a “GOTCHA!!” Are now saying it’s invalid and just a nylon nut (not talking about you CP). It’s either a valid test (which it probably wasn’t then or now) or it’s not. Buy tools you enjoy and move on folks. It’s not worth wasting time and energy being like a rabid animal over a tool brand.
@@CPthetooladdict definitely all gimmicks. But it works. They get the sales. I was once fooled by an as seen on tv product. Never again did I buy something without using some defective reasoning first. I will admit I did buy the icon wrenches but the nylon nut didn’t sway me. I wanted the Carlyle wrenches but wasn’t willing to shell out $180. $70 I could justify. Can never have too many wrench options when it comes to busting a nut in NY salt hell. I have the C-Man Overdrive but 6 point box end is a hassle on tight spaces. And as dumb of a reason as it sounds i loathe the gunmetal chrome. It makes it feel like I’m using the equivalent of a gas station knife. Trying to look badass.
I might need a set for them plastic nuts on air filter covers..😂 but it was a proud moment for Icon tool owners..they won..🔧...rusty nuts win 🔩🇺🇸..hope your back gets better..buddy 👍
I won't get others to change. Others won't get me to change, with that said. I do view Snap On and MAC tools to be an investment. I also believe that any manufacturer of any product can formulate a "test" to demonstrate why their product is superior. Just my opinion.
I am testing the ICON brand pliers and Screwdriver sets against my SNAP ON sets and so far? I am impressed with the ICON brand and the cost is even more attractive
I'm not impressed with how fast they dull and chip much inferior metal dont grip as well the cutters go dull after only a couple months of use my snap-ons last much longer.
@@CPthetooladdict Hey thanks for the reply so far only one month into testing the ICON brand pliers and screwdrivers so time will tell>? I have had my Snap On sets for over 7 years no problems
When I stated the icon wrench was famous, I thought it was implied that it came out looking like a winner, but when a fat guy wins a marathon, people will always question the legitimacy of the race.
Mr CP I love your style I really do. You tell it how it is and that's something you don't see much anymore. Anyway I had to jump on here and say that sure we use plastic nuts. Especially on mixers. We put them on the hopper rubbers and not only that they are used alot on air cleaners. The cover over the air cleaner has them on most heavy trucks. Anyway as always I enjoy the channel 👍 🇨🇦 🔧
I buy what I want, when I want. I can't afford Snap-on tools because I put my money into other things. Can i actually afford to buy the best tools, well yes I can. But then I wouldn't have other things that I do have. Others that think they are better than you because they own Snap-on i really get a kick out of. If you think you are so much better then bring over your $100k tool box and I'll show you what $5k worth of tools can do. I'll more than likely smoke you. Put your money where your mouth is as they say lol.
@@CPthetooladdict 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 now you know I don't do that kind of stuff. I'm talking about actual wrenching. My buddy has that stuff for Ford's. Not everybody is well off out in the real world can actually afford everything. My buddy doesn't even have all Snap-on. As a matter of fact he has a tool box setup in his go cart shop with nothing but ICON tools and makes more money than most mechanics out there building Predator motors 🤣🤣🤣🤣
I stopped watching tool channels because they don’t care and want to bash other tools to push another tool. Everyone wants to bash someone for buying a tool. Bro who cares. I like what I like and it’s my money. But I’m gonna bash HF because Eric is a sum bag LOL. Personally I think Sherwood knew what he was doing and used this to get views. I pretty much only watch you, torque test and Eric O.
It doesn't matter but what you want I disrespect the harbor freight I rather buy snap on because there USA made and I hate that Eric S and I've seen better come and go even brands at harbor freight
I totally agree, but at the same aspect, I believe a lot of people are trying to educate the general public, and just like you said, it's never going to matter they have no desire to listen.
@@jefferywalton8176 Snap-on makes great tools, no doubt about it. My point was more that people get preoccupied by the name on the tools instead of whatever they are using the tools for.
Lmao I literally just said this on another Bear’s channel. Who the F cares what others use. 😂. Can YOU INDIVIDUALLY AFFORD IT?! Yes/no? Okay then…man I bought the LN47ACF pliers cause of the fun hype with the penny. Didn’t break my bank doing it so who cares. BTW my Tekton and Kobalt ones picked it up too. 👌🏼😏
I hear tomorrow all Snap-On tool trucks are offering to buy out all Icon wrenches in the neighborhood for an additional 10% discount towards real wrench sets, ones that never slip and ones that can turn timeless bolts, be them made of nylon, ya’mammas fat pits, over torqued like the aforementioned ya’mammasllamasass, or just plain rust caked on. With their tools, you snap it off as many times you snap it on. With the HFT ones, well, you better not go snapping like that. They are all crap, nothing more than just a coupon and a parking lot sale high.
I have some Snap-On, Mac, Proto, Craftsman, Wright, and a few other brands of wrenches. As far as the regular wrenches I like the Mac the best because they are a little thicker and don’t cut into my hands as much. My favorite brand with the grip or non-slip are the Wright Grip by Wright Tools. I’d take any quality brand if I can get them at a great deal. They are just tools that are to be used not idolized.
USA manufacturing has always been better than Chinese or Taiwanese manufacturing and it’s never been up for debate I don’t have a problem admitting that harbor freight is probably the better choice for most people and applications but they won’t admit that snap on is clearly better all day everyday! When you are a professional you can’t risk damaging things because of cheap tools at least I won’t not when I’m working on a new 60k-120k car
You do realize snappy ain't made in America now right. Some tools are some aren't. There are some tools from snappy no don't coming out of the same factories as cheaper brands. Pay attention when buying snappy for the made in USA they will shout it when they can
@@Qballl all snap on hand tools are made in the USA! Lots of accessories like organizers arnt lots of the free prizes arnt some other stuff like the rolling work tray stations arnt! I always check my packaging when buying something
Imagine if the plastic nut broke both wrenches
That would have been epic and awesome!! Lol
@@CPthetooladdictsome what unrelated. Dunno if you've noticed comments decreasing or people accusing you of deleting them. But if it's happening I am aware it's not you. There's a definite pattern to the deletion. But when I pointed out on other channels the comments were deleted as well. It is not offensive or vulgar comments. But this will effectively target the interaction metrics for certain channels. If you already knew sorry to bring it up.
@JAERepair yes youtube is weeding out troll accounts and negative responses it's a censorship that's debatable but I don't hate it I have a extremely great core group of people that make comments and I appreciate good constructive criticism and unfortunately the world is changing so silencing some people is okay and not having to deal with them makes my work much more enjoyable.
I own TOOLS, I buy what I want.
My issue with it, is that snap on used that "test" any time they tried to push those wrenches on somebody, now that they got beat on a plastic nut now its an old irrelavent test lol and then every test they did at the expo against icon you can tell they manipulated the icon wrenches to make them slip almost instantly lol hell i bought the icon wrenches because of the price mainly, that sale they had on the weekend was too good to pass up...but yes as we talk tools its always up to the audience to decide on what fits their budget
Oh and let me add the excuse that the snappy boys say "made in usa" for price points, support thy neighbor but in these days can you really trust your neighbor, usa made should be affordable yet we get price gouged on our own soil but the reason its not is because in the USA we complain about pay, we want more pay and do less work so then the price of manufacturing goes up
@FluffyMexicanik you are so right. We as workers want more and more but what happens is those products and services are going to go up as well.we are our worst enemy in a way.
@@shannondickenson8294 yessss bro, and then we complain when the prices go up, it took me until recently to realise that even at the dealer, we complain about our labor rate being to high yet we want raises to keep up with the economy, which in turn we end up with less customers buying services and repairs 🥴🥴
@FluffyMexicanik Let us work together towards making the price more affordable. Unfortunately, customers often compare our prices to those of other brands like Snap-on and pro tools, which they use as an excuse for the high cost of repairs. This is a hypocritical situation since we cannot create more jobs or generate self-sustaining economic growth if we continue to outsource our work to other countries. The reality is that Made in the USA is not just an excuse, but a fact that leads to greater wealth and job security, which in turn benefits the nation as a whole. To avoid becoming like other third-world countries that rely on external support, we need to focus on building our own economy and sustaining growth from within.
@@CPthetooladdict yes but see this issue infact goes deeper than tools ofcourse
So true. I have been buying and using Snap-on tools for 47 years. I consider it an investment. They get the job done and waranties are easy. Set a budget and buy a lifetime tool.
Snap on brought this out in the mid 1980's and a boy I worked with could strip the plastic hex part with an old SK wrench raised panel C series wrench every time and the Snap on man stood there just saying this isn't suppose to happen he couldn't believe it.
Hello CP& SUNNY: Thank you for this video sir. I'm sorry to hear about your back pain as I know what it is on a constant basis since 2004. I don't care how many tools a mechanic has you body will take a beating over time. In this day of high inflation we are all looking for value. As a mater of fact I had this same conversation with a landscaper tonight that does his own repairs ,&
maintenance on his equipment and vehicles. Yesterday he just purchased a metric set of Icon wrenches & uses them ad a DIY. For his apication it works for him & I must agree with him. Well said CP but I miss your right hand, SUNNY. God Bless, get well, & stay safe. TMP from N.J.
Well said. This whole Snap-On vs HFT Icon debate is as silly as knocking down someone for buying their first car be it a pinto or a fiesta, instead of congratulating them for making it in the tool world. It’s not like all are or were Snap-On target customers to start with. We all know who the top brands are, but most and especially first buyers, may choose value instead. You know, the old adage of a saying, where quality and price intersect. Anything else is just a piss contest.
I don't understand why a plastic nut? In the real world you're going to be turning metal nuts, and bolts.
Why did harbor freight enthusiasts actually think this was a viable and realistic thing is even more confusing. lol, it's kinda odd that they support unrealistic test like this to support false narratives of their tool selection.
Most people don’t disagree that Snap-On is professional and Icon is DIY grade. Most people are just looking for the closest thing to prograde at an affordable price. Snap On is amazing but you need to make $400,000 a year to afford hand tools, power tools, specialized hand tools, diagnostic tools, tool chests all made by Snap -On. Otherwise you’ll spend your career in debt. How long something lasts is almost irrelevant with lifetime warranties. Sure ICON could disappear but with inflation, so can Snap-on. And don’t tell me people don’t break snap on tools.
Even if Icon got discontinued; it'd be like owning old SK or Craftsman. Even original Husky and Kobalt back when it was rumored a big tool brand was making them.
Just remember, we all thought nothing would ever happen to Sears.
I'm not sure you can call Icon "DIY" when at least half of the 25 techs in my auto shop are using the brand daily for years now. If anything Icon is overkill for home use.
Meanwhile I've had to warranty 2 Snap-On sockets in the last 3 years, Snap-On isn't the quality it used to be and people are insane for paying today's prices for it. They're 3-4x as expensive as they used to be not long ago.
@@COBRO98 their high prices will be their downfall as they price themselves out of the market and their sales decline. Lamborghini tool boxes and all. If their competitors really wanted them gone; they could team up and play hard ball for a little while too really put the pressure on them. Each company drop the price on an item to really make snap off uncompetitive.
I completely agree. I’ve been a Heavy Truck Technician for 34 years. In tech school we had the SnapOn stuff blown up our asses. I have worked most of my career with Craftsman. I do have a fair amount of SnapOn and Mac, but have decided that I’m tired of paying huge money for their stuff. Mac has gotten very bad about foreign made stuff at high prices. I’ve been replacing Craftsman with Icon and am very happy with their quality and customer service. Remember, it’s the technician that makes the tools, not the tools that make the technician.
IIRC: That plastic nutblock is Snap-On truck demo prop provided by SO (not free).
I paid less than that ICON box for my Snap-On box off the truck new 2018 when they code named it IQON KCP series. I believe the SO rep felt bad for me for 60% off MSRP (as that discount only applied to me and other tech discount differed drastically and grateful for the rep) .
That is interesting information if they were providing them. However to me even that being the case Snap-Ons own test is flawed which Sherwood proved in a follow-up video the other day. The teeth are more aggressive on the Snap-On wrenches and eat through the plastic more than the Icon opposed to gripping it. The opposite is true on metal. The Snap-On bite into the metal better than Icon and grip it better.
@@pedaltheglobe419 Exactly. Watch the video from the recent Snap-on trade show in FL. 6 or 7 other wrenches slipped off with little effort while the SO rocked and pulled the table with the vise that the rod was clamped in. I would post the link but it has not appeared on you tube where I posted it for some reason.
@@jimb8842 Val Tools has that video along with some other popular snap on dealers on youtube
The fact that so many people lost their s$-# over this video about a wrench is just mind boggling. Its like yall. Its a wrench. And yes they both suck in my opinion. Give me a wright wrightgrip wrench and well wreck the world
I agree 100% with you man!!! Buy what in the hell you want to buy, and leave me alone!!
I'll keep this in mind......when plastic nuts and bolts are a thing......😂😂
IMPORTANT**** The Torque Test channel just tested the ICON vs the Snap On using METAL hex bits… the Snap On wrenches won…..
I responded!! ❤️
Well said CP!
Icon is priced higher than known quality brands and as much or close to tool truck prices. I bought one of the ratchets and had to return it 3 to get one that works. I won't buy another icon tool.
You shouldn't be using a wrench like in the first place. If the nut or bolt is that tight, you should be using the box end or a socket.
Ive been waiting for you to talk about this CP lololol
Cp you hit it right on a nose. What we have to learn is not to follow the marketing. Usually I try to buy good quality tools in the mid-range whether it be off the truck online or at harbor freight most of the time. The harbor freight stuff is only good for a little while. As long as it gets the job done then I'm working on and I haven't spent a lot of money on it. I really don't matter to me but that's me. I'm not making my living and supporting a family to where I can think like that so we all have choices. Bottom line when you're going tool shopping, Go to whoever you can afford that has decent quality stuff. Keep you off a tool truck. It can be from harbor freight it could be from a flea market or garage sale as long as this tool works for you. That's all that matters. It don't have to be shiny and new I've had wrenches for over 35 years. I've had harbor freight stuff for over 35 years. Yeah the wrenches didn't last. I have some nut drivers that are still good and I have some screwdrivers that are still good. Go figure. Butt, this was back when quality was still there in this country I remember when harbor freight was selling Milwaukee and and Stanley air nailers back in the day. Harbor freight was once a good company that went corporate.
CP please share what was shady about the new Snap on test. From your video it looks like you are referring to the recent Snap on trade show in FL. That test looks much better than the plastic nut.
Who cares that an open end wrench slips at 100 ft lbs…what does that prove exactly? Seems like a very engineer thing to do. The better tool is the one that holds up under hundreds or thousands of uses and painless warranty.
So I noticed that you when referring to tools referred to their brands snap on and harbor freight. Which that’s not really the big issue I guess I would really like it. If you would call them icon versus snap on because icon is the brand of Tool Harbor freight is just a store where they sell those tools that’s it, so why can’t you refer to the brand of the tool not the store that it’s sold at?
love snap on and icon but ill stick to my mac and gear wrenches just preference now a days alot of tools are pretty good quality love all tools lol
Like 5% of the time, I used the open end...
Hey C.P, I just started watching your videos not too long ago. I am 17 and I am currently in community college trying to become a mechanic (Hopefully I will be able to get the certifications for all areas). I am working part time and I am trying to get another job that pays more. However, I am dirt broke. I have been going to Harbor Freight and buying Icon and Bauer. I know Bauer is kinda cheap, and Icon is not that great for larger trucks. I own a 2001 dodge 3500 Diesel, so I lack some braincells lol. I should get to the point, what type of tools should I be buying? What brands would you recommend? What brands make good Power Tools? I don’t know if you will see this, please get back to me if you can.
Snap on makes great wrenches.
Icon makes great wrenchs.
To me, the argument is a bit silly. You should be fine to any job with either of these wrenches.
Only plastic nuts I have come across was with plumbing and packing. In packaging they were just to be more decorative than zip ties. Plumbing was in faucets and toilet parts. Nothing that was going to survive disassembly after some nice mineral laden water ( no one in my area drinking well water should have a calcium deficiency) with any brand wrench or pliers
I’m so sick of the advs X debate. Get what you want, who cares. There’s been times that they’ve shown Icon can be bought a lot cheaper under another brand but they compare it to SnapOn so it looks like a steal. Get what you want and shut the hell up.
Finally tried out the icon wrenches on a mangled bumper bolt. No dice. Malco for the win!
Theme eagle grips are no joke lol
@@CPthetooladdict 100%. Thanks for the heads up on those. 🍻
I don't watch tool comparison videos anymore. I saw 3 different wrenches from Tribus Tools break in about 15 minutes. To only turn around and see a certain tool channel take us inside Tribus and tell us what a great company and product they have. The Texas Twister, every Texas Twister I have seen is like brand new because the tech tried it 2 or 3 times and it failed, and yet again a certain tool channel was on a truck with The Texas Twister on sale giving it the full promo. If I want Mac, Snap-On, Cornwell or Matco I watch your videos. If I can't afford those, I watch Coyle Tools for a less expensive option. Peace
Could not have said it better use the tools that make you happy and confident for the job at hand!!!! People need to stop hating over tools this is silly!!
Amen!!
The icon and snap on are great tools for the price . I just use the Pittsburgh tools, or craftsman . What I can afford
Hell yeah! Hope you feel better!
Solid Vid CP, well said! I was envisioning you standing at a podium in your Sunday coveralls, wrench in hand, raised above your head, with an American flag backdrop, bald eagle perched on your shoulder and the anthem quietly playing in the background. CP for president!
I'm not sure I'm cut out for politics Nor could I stand to be around those people all day
@@CPthetooladdictHaha I was just kiddin with ya. It was jut a well spoken vid with a good cadence.... Agreed. I lasted a month as a director on the local Chamber of Commerce. That's barely politics, but there was enough knob gobbling and reach arounds in that short time for me to give it a hard pass....I saw that SO plastic nut vid, and knew people would lose their collective minds in short order lol
Lol, I'm not surprised. I went to a local town council meeting and knew I would never go back. The shenanigans that were being played are pretty much an indication of people with ego trips.
Hello again, CP
Thank you for another Great Video 👍 I couldn't agree with you more, I try my best with new mechanics to inform them to buy the best tools you can afford for you and your family. Then upgrade to better tools later. As well as the speech about not going into debt. You know CP, while I was on active duty. I went from cheap very easy to break Asian tools. In which I lost a fair amount of blood. That stopped when the Air Force changed to Craftsman Tools. And then later changed again to Snap-on Tools. To me they felt like the same tool. I guess, I got spoiled lol. Again thank you 👌
Not all of us make money wrenching. I buy snap on because they have never skimped and im not a china schill sellout.
At the end of the day, what a matter is to get the job done
Who cares about icon or snapon anyway. Buy some wright grip 2.0's and forget about the others. I own snap on and prefer the wrights. They are less than snap on, but more than Icon. They are made in america and are honestly awesome wrenches. Only down side to them is they are a touch wider than the snappys are. Been thinking about selling my snap ons and going all wrights actually
Um...... We use plastic nuts and bolts in the body shop.
So you need wrenches for them?
Great video CP, hope you feel better soon
Thank you, I will I hope so also
I couldn't have said it better myself. I hope you're getting the right care for your back injury, I had mine back in January. Feel better soon.
I hope your back feels better. I only have a couple snap on and rbrts I got over the years for certain sizes. I do work w everything plastic like those nylon nuts and mine have foam sprayed on them and in the threads you are trying to get them off of. I actually carry old craftsman ratchet combo wrenches and snap on every day. For the size nuts he uses I try to not use a tool to install them and just go hand tight while I push hard from the other side. I usually use my cobras and go like 1/4 turn past hand tight at most if I can’t make them stop leaking. I was going to grab the hf sets to try but I didn’t want to pay full price for them and do my trick going back to get my money back. They were sold out when I got there on Tuesday. Maybe they stocked more this week and I can grab them today since they brought the sale back. I’m definitely going to get that plug in sprayer
I love my Snap-On, Matco, and Mac(wrenches only). However if there is a tool that I really want to try I'll grab the icon version and see if I like it or if it works. That way if I end up not liking it or it doesn't work well I'm not out a ton of money. However I I'm a little impressed with a few things about icon. I do think they work better than a lot of the other options you can get at home Depot or Lowe's
I personally prefer Snap-On wrenches, simply because they feel good in my hands. I’ve bought and used Craftsman, ICON, Mac, and Matco. Other then the Craftsman opening up on tight fasteners, the other all perform perfectly fine, they just weren’t comfortable to me. That fact alone makes the Snap-On worth every penny to me. They are how I make my money day in and day out.
Great point!
You know what else feels good in my hands? Boobs.
But I'm not going to drop thousands of dollars for "the way they feel".
It's a freakin' piece of metal, fella. Get a grip.
G'day , Well Said CP👍
Thanks,man
Professional if they’re not better than or bought or less than quality feel like this test has to be redone with line fittings
And we should also bring in Mac wrenches from overseas into this as well
Awesome video. Thanks for sharing. Keep the content coming. Hope you have an incredible night. Much love and RESPECT brother
Thanks! You too!
If the damn icon truck would show up at work, that’s what I would buy. Hell I might even take a trip to the store if I could buy one piece at a time if I needed.
I don't think they will be doing it anytime soon just because they don't even own a single store front all leased property.
Good video you are on Target again. Get better soon we are all praying for you
Thanks so much
I don’t get that the snap on beat icon when they came out on mr Subaru’s channel 5 years ago but 1 icon gets a small win and all sudden it’s a big deal it ain’t in my area cause im north and people don’t care cause the torch is the real wrench
Exactly 💯 not to mention they lost to snap-on on Torque test channel
@@CPthetooladdict people must’ve forgotten not everything on Facebook is real too I can take my blue point wrenches I had since I first started and you can grab a similar one and we can use them all day till one breaks and that don’t matter cause lifetime warranty and easy out sockets take care of everything
Truth CP 💯
I don’t care what anybody thinks of the tools I buy or anything else that I buy. Junk yard tools, pick up truck tool set, side box tool set are great uses for harbor freight tools. Big wrenches 🔧 that you hardly use don’t have to be brand names.
I think the smaller wrenches 🔧 it’s more important to have tight tolerances so I would definitely go with truck brand for all day every day, 20 years
Absolutely 💯
Run what ya brung. Everyine has a choice. What are you able/willing to spend on tools? Everyone has a limit. Me personally? I have a very wide range of tools. Top flite isnt always what i reach for. Some tools just work/feel better when you use them. Top tier isn't aleays where it's at. Ive bought tools on the truck, for years.(since 87) but I've bought tools at oreilly as well. And auto zone. Been equally happy with both.
Well said!
Chad, Do you know any different substitutes for the Snap On A15A? Drag link sockets are different and I need a slot that's between 1"-1.25" for a bridge part.
Man thats a tough one I'd suggest ebay
www.ebay.com/itm/335113482753?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=0Az4EMu9RMq&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=negpgqo3r-c&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY
What up CP! Hope all is well man!!
Hello Dave, long time no chat. I hope you are well, man. I definitely miss seeing your comments!!
CP, I hope your back is feeling better! Another great video.
I'm certainly trying. Unfortunately, I slipped a disc in my back for the first time in 45 years, I am completely laid up from a back injury
@@CPthetooladdict Oh no, that sounds painful! I hope you feel better soon.
Lots of spasms not really painful just annoying lol
Point is it's a plastic nut!!! If snap on didn't destroy the plastic nut I'd of been pissed. What about quality of metals, forging, chroming and supporting American made. Besides who's psyched to find a set of icon at the pawn shop.
I get it, and you get it, but the majority don't because they are being trained by propaganda marketing.
I don’t care what people buy I have a bit of everything. I actually picked up the HF wrenches this past week outside the video about busting a nut… I’ve used the SO and they seem to be an overall better quality wrench. But the icon are certainly more than enough for the home gamer. I wanted wrightgrips but just couldn’t afford them right now and I needed some more aggressive wrenches now. What I do find funny is the same people who woulda used this test as a “GOTCHA!!” Are now saying it’s invalid and just a nylon nut (not talking about you CP). It’s either a valid test (which it probably wasn’t then or now) or it’s not. Buy tools you enjoy and move on folks. It’s not worth wasting time and energy being like a rabid animal over a tool brand.
All those tests are sales gimmicks. Social media guys are doing stuff to reel in subscribers for views it's all pathetic, really.
@@CPthetooladdict definitely all gimmicks. But it works. They get the sales. I was once fooled by an as seen on tv product. Never again did I buy something without using some defective reasoning first. I will admit I did buy the icon wrenches but the nylon nut didn’t sway me. I wanted the Carlyle wrenches but wasn’t willing to shell out $180. $70 I could justify. Can never have too many wrench options when it comes to busting a nut in NY salt hell. I have the C-Man Overdrive but 6 point box end is a hassle on tight spaces. And as dumb of a reason as it sounds i loathe the gunmetal chrome. It makes it feel like I’m using the equivalent of a gas station knife. Trying to look badass.
snapon just drop your price end of story
Why should they drop the price so every cockroach can afford tools they are not capable of understanding how to use?
@@CPthetooladdict 🤣🤣. I love that response!
WAKE UP AMERICA... your job is next. And your community will look like the rust belt inner city's with no jobs.
Hope your back heals up soon! Great video clip to start off with. Was that a bench vise they launched in the air ?
LOL. Anvil, I believe is what I meant to type. Long day.
No it was a blacksmith anvil pretty cool
End of the day; everyone just wants the best tools at the best price.
Exactly and gathering information to make a reasonable decision is the best way to get what you want!
I might need a set for them plastic nuts on air filter covers..😂 but it was a proud moment for Icon tool owners..they won..🔧...rusty nuts win 🔩🇺🇸..hope your back gets better..buddy 👍
Great point!
Good job CP. I'm just a home gamer. But love your videos for tool reviews. When I buy, it's to hand down. Perhaps not HF tools to give my kiddos
Thanks 👍 I take that compliment very highly!!
You mean my new Icon wrench tattoo is gonna last longer than the actual wrench? Nooooooooo!
It's a sad day in automotive tooling lol
I won't get others to change. Others won't get me to change, with that said. I do view Snap On and MAC tools to be an investment. I also believe that any manufacturer of any product can formulate a "test" to demonstrate why their product is superior. Just my opinion.
Absolutely 💯 and I appreciate that as a man to man respect!!
Finally CP speaks on this lol
You are a wise man! I totally agree
When you purchase a Snap On tool you're paying for the fit and finish and, more importantly, the name.
And the warranty......
I am testing the ICON brand pliers and Screwdriver sets against my SNAP ON sets and so far? I am impressed with the ICON brand and the cost is even more attractive
I'm not impressed with how fast they dull and chip much inferior metal dont grip as well the cutters go dull after only a couple months of use my snap-ons last much longer.
@@CPthetooladdict Hey thanks for the reply so far only one month into testing the ICON brand pliers and screwdrivers so time will tell>? I have had my Snap On sets for over 7 years no problems
I prefer the vessel Screwdrivers now they are pretty much the best bang for your buck.
@@CPthetooladdict Got a set of them with the Ball grip love them 👍
I was wondering how long until CP chimes in spot on CP 👍😎👍
You and me both! Lol I'm kinda over the same old debate
I just avoid the drama. I use Mac wrench’s. Plus can’t get icon in Canada and my snap on rep is not t very reliable and has nothing in his truck.
Up north eh?
You never told us what the test was or how it went😂
When I stated the icon wrench was famous, I thought it was implied that it came out looking like a winner, but when a fat guy wins a marathon, people will always question the legitimacy of the race.
Great video CP 👍
Glad you enjoyed it
What’s up my brother and Sunny hope all is well!
Yes sit all is well and sunny is my little pain in my butt lol
I got to do a video of how good herbrand wrenches 🔧 do with the plastc nut 😂😅😊👍🇨🇦🍁🔧
Have they done a video of how well a harbor frought box dose with a dump truck on it 😂😅😊👍🇨🇦🍁🔧
Mr CP I love your style I really do. You tell it how it is and that's something you don't see much anymore. Anyway I had to jump on here and say that sure we use plastic nuts. Especially on mixers. We put them on the hopper rubbers and not only that they are used alot on air cleaners. The cover over the air cleaner has them on most heavy trucks. Anyway as always I enjoy the channel 👍 🇨🇦 🔧
I buy what I want, when I want. I can't afford Snap-on tools because I put my money into other things. Can i actually afford to buy the best tools, well yes I can. But then I wouldn't have other things that I do have. Others that think they are better than you because they own Snap-on i really get a kick out of. If you think you are so much better then bring over your $100k tool box and I'll show you what $5k worth of tools can do. I'll more than likely smoke you. Put your money where your mouth is as they say lol.
I've got a car here that needs a pcm issuee flashed come smoke me!! Lmao 👌
@@CPthetooladdict 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 now you know I don't do that kind of stuff. I'm talking about actual wrenching. My buddy has that stuff for Ford's. Not everybody is well off out in the real world can actually afford everything. My buddy doesn't even have all Snap-on. As a matter of fact he has a tool box setup in his go cart shop with nothing but ICON tools and makes more money than most mechanics out there building Predator motors 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Such a awesome and powerful and out front look.. very well said.
Thank you kindly!
I stopped watching tool channels because they don’t care and want to bash other tools to push another tool. Everyone wants to bash someone for buying a tool. Bro who cares. I like what I like and it’s my money. But I’m gonna bash HF because Eric is a sum bag LOL. Personally I think Sherwood knew what he was doing and used this to get views. I pretty much only watch you, torque test and Eric O.
I couldn't agree more and I would give you a raise because you are clearly the smarter person in the shop dam great comment!!
They are all just bunch of multi tools 😂
Smash that like button, or the communists win.
CHYNA
Absolutely Chad 👍
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It doesn't matter but what you want I disrespect the harbor freight I rather buy snap on because there USA made and I hate that Eric S and I've seen better come and go even brands at harbor freight
Why is Snapon and Snapon fan boys even attempting to acknowledge, this. A bee doesn’t explain to a fly why honey is just better then poop
I totally agree, but at the same aspect, I believe a lot of people are trying to educate the general public, and just like you said, it's never going to matter they have no desire to listen.
@@justramit1 I think it was because mr Subaru was first to chime in and then it just snowballed from there
@@justramit1 have you tried poop though?
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You shouldn't care that much about a tool brand. You should care about the project/money you can make with them.
That's exactly what I do care about, and I have learned over the years that cheap tools cost me more in the end.
Not all of us are or intended to make money wrenching. I buy snap on because I like them.
@@jefferywalton8176 Snap-on makes great tools, no doubt about it. My point was more that people get preoccupied by the name on the tools instead of whatever they are using the tools for.
Lmao I literally just said this on another Bear’s channel. Who the F cares what others use. 😂. Can YOU INDIVIDUALLY AFFORD IT?! Yes/no? Okay then…man I bought the LN47ACF pliers cause of the fun hype with the penny. Didn’t break my bank doing it so who cares. BTW my Tekton and Kobalt ones picked it up too. 👌🏼😏
I hear tomorrow all Snap-On tool trucks are offering to buy out all Icon wrenches in the neighborhood for an additional 10% discount towards real wrench sets, ones that never slip and ones that can turn timeless bolts, be them made of nylon, ya’mammas fat pits, over torqued like the aforementioned ya’mammasllamasass, or just plain rust caked on. With their tools, you snap it off as many times you snap it on. With the HFT ones, well, you better not go snapping like that. They are all crap, nothing more than just a coupon and a parking lot sale high.
Lmao 👌
I have some Snap-On, Mac, Proto, Craftsman, Wright, and a few other brands of wrenches. As far as the regular wrenches I like the Mac the best because they are a little thicker and don’t cut into my hands as much. My favorite brand with the grip or non-slip are the Wright Grip by Wright Tools. I’d take any quality brand if I can get them at a great deal. They are just tools that are to be used not idolized.
Thanks for the tips!
USA manufacturing has always been better than Chinese or Taiwanese manufacturing and it’s never been up for debate I don’t have a problem admitting that harbor freight is probably the better choice for most people and applications but they won’t admit that snap on is clearly better all day everyday! When you are a professional you can’t risk damaging things because of cheap tools at least I won’t not when I’m working on a new 60k-120k car
You do realize snappy ain't made in America now right. Some tools are some aren't. There are some tools from snappy no don't coming out of the same factories as cheaper brands. Pay attention when buying snappy for the made in USA they will shout it when they can
@@Qballl all snap on hand tools are made in the USA! Lots of accessories like organizers arnt lots of the free prizes arnt some other stuff like the rolling work tray stations arnt! I always check my packaging when buying something
@someguy2312 I may be wrong, thought for sure power tools aren't and maybe some hand tools. That being said I'm sure it's like an 80 20 split
@@Qballl the vast vast majority percent of snapons hand tools are made in america
I'd say a 80/20 split seems like a fair assessment of usa to no usa tools