Harley Davidson with NO BRAKES!?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 5 ก.ย. 2024
- Harley Davidson with NO BRAKES! This is bad stuff, but Harley won’t cover it! Watch my video to see what the problem is, and why it happens. This stuff can be prevented!
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As an auto tech dot4 is a pain in the ass. 2 years and swap. It’s maintenance, why can’t people understand this. Great vid John!
I can’t tell you how many times I have seen this in my shop, not to mention the clutch fluid on 14 and newer baggers. Some bike owners have no idea that the fluid even needs to be changed!
I am do glad ur here unlike others that charge 40$ to become a member to watch their videos
Chris Sullivan like urlacher begging for patreon donations.
Today here in NEW YORK CITY NEWS it was announced that H/D will have dealers changing the brake fluids on H/D because of the problem with what happens to the BRAKE FLUID if I see the article in the paper I'll mail it to you!!!!
Good work Mr. "Highly Trained Unprofessional" Ha Ha your a good guy, the public needs more people like you!
Always remember, "Drive Fast and take chances" and slow down when you go fast!
I keep meaning to end my videos with “ride fast and take chances”. One day I’ll figure it out. I’m familiar with the brake fluid. I will post a vid soon. We’ve known about it, but I needed I wait for HD to announce before I could.
I totally like this video. I'm literally dealing with this exact problem right now and my mechanic doesn't seem to know what to do and I'm going to send him this video.
Did u get yours fixed??
Awesome video. Would love to see a comparison of aftermarket devices to purge the HCU: Vance & Hines fuel pack pro, ITM HD2, apparently Snap-On Ethos Edge and others.
I like having a fuel injected bike but other than an led headlamp that's all the technology I care for on my sled. Non performance wise of course.
I have a Dyna Wide Glide 2016. I'm very glad to have found this..I will make sure to get the brake fluid changed...Thank you !!
No problem! Glad you learned something new!
Great info. Question: Will it hurt anything if I change the brake fluid every year or it a waste on money?
Have the same issue on a 2016 v rod muscle I'm working on.
Great video. Very informative! Love learning about motorcycles.
Love it we hit 200 subs year layer 86k soild work mate im from aus and have legit watched all your vids in a week thanx to blockhead how i found out about you
Very useful info. Thanks for the video.
I just returned my 2020 FLHR back to the dealership. I want nothing to do with newer HDs any more.
Great videos John. Enjoy the humor!
alternately lock up the brakes to force abs to pass fluid then change fluid and if in a bind you can use mod hydraulic fittings to bypass abs
Went from 200 Now your at 18,000 subscribers lol.you put out good stuff bro.keep em coming.
Nice videos! keep it up. Just letting you know, I keep adjusting the audio through the video. Subscribed!
yea. I'm still a super noob, but especially back when I made this video. did you find this video because you watched this one first? th-cam.com/video/9l7U2i1P0uE/w-d-xo.html
I get less audio complaints these days, so I guess it's better! Either way, thanks for the sub!
So if you have ABS you can not flush the system how you would “normally” do it?
I have a fxdb07 and i change my brske fuid thanks keep up the new way
Yeah man, you said you didn't feel well, I can tell get more rest an tell your son, I can relate: my horse broke my ankle when he slipped in mud along fence line then day got out hospital brother broke my same leg playing a Oregon coast beach. So, Son Get Well (just remember the more you scratch skin inside case the more it will hurt- if you have too, rub very lightly an never scratch with nails) just think of something great like beautiful girls an forget scratching! Thanks, Tim
Lowers the foot brake peddle from a 40 degree angle to about 20 degree angle. I feel that when I apply the foot brake peddle it's in a high position causing me to lift my right leg/foot in order to apply the foot brakes! any way your a great guy and for what ever reason I trust you opinion!!
Harley does make an “extended reach” brake pedal. That should fit that year model. I’m not as savvy with the parts books as those parts guys are, but I know it exists. Just not 100% on the figment.
*fitment*
It's crazy but I think 🤔 is the damn fule line and all the calipers and hydrolic resevuars replaced as well
I have two dealers in Columbia SC. One is two miles from my house and the other one is 20 miles away. The one I take my bike to is one greedy dealer. I had them install new cams in my bike one year ago. They had to drain the oil to do the work. I brought my Amsoil with me and had them put it in the bike. After they finished the install, they charged me 1/2 hour labor to pour the oil in the bike. I paid them over $1,200 for the install and they charged me $50 to pour my own oil in the damn bike. I talked to the owner about that and his answer was if cost us to keep this shop running. I told him they made enough off me from parts and labor for the cam install. He did not give a shit. I have been a loyal customer for a long time. Harley Heaven in Irmo South Carolina.
I hear what you're saying here, and my only question is, do you bring your own steak to a restaurant and ask them to cook it for you, if you do, then do you complain if when they charge you for the cooking of said steak?
Modern dealership overhead (including those mandatory huge Taj Mahal-looking dealerships) is why flat rate is usually strictly billed. I happen to know the backstory to Harley Haven. (I've lived in SC since '85.) It began as a nice small traditional non-dealer shop. HD took exception to the "Harley" in their name/signage so it became "The Haven" (with "Harley" crossed out!) until Tim got a dealer franchise and returned the name to original. The facilities you are required to have are so expensive that cutting deals is cutting your own throat because they add up and if you cut one deal and word spreads, so does butthurt from other customers who want the same. HD killed off MANY Mom and Pop dealerships but that was long ago and not widely remembered today.
If sales slide far enough I'd expect some dealers to fold since they can't reduce facility size if they are on 30-year mortgages.
John!!!!!!! Love this video dude!!! THIS IS WHATS WRONG WITH MY BRAKES.. Ok.. so here is a stupid question. HD charges about $450 for this brake module (not the electronic part) and about $100 to bleed I guess. Why has no one figured out a way of just clearing the blockage?? Is there not a "rebuild kit" for something like this? What's inside the block... rings, seals maybe? Just wondering if these things can be replaced to restore its use. Let me know..
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I got hit with the $1000 repair bill earlier this year. Sales did say anything about and it was a used bike so no books came with the bike. Sucks. And then a few months later the MOCO sent me that letter. Sales guys need better trading and also the walk around I got when buying my bike not one person mentioned anything about the abs system.
+Tony Leon that sucks. Sorry to hear that all of that happened to you. Hopefully this video will help someone before it happens, instead of confirming what someone already had happen, as in your case.
Hello John I have the same problem the front break is hard to break. My harly 2013 unlimited
Great vid! Keep em going!
Keep up the good advice with your videos, old shovel head wrencher here.
love your videos. Thank youuuuu
I use DOT3. Doesn't absorb water as willingly as DOT4
What is the part number to the hydraulic side replacment part? and dose the gasket come with it? If not whats the part number to that part also?
I actually like all your videos, very informative content been watching all your uploads, If I pass by I'll come say hello (From FL)!
+MrHasie cool! Glad you’re enjoying, hopefully we’ll run into each other!
I have a 2020 trike the dealer replaced my brake modulator in Aug now 4000 miles later no rear brakes when you push the foot pedal it applies front brake 3 pistons and pulls to rite so wtf it needs a new one again it was 1500 last time I have esp it’s can’t believe it’s failing again
Good video, owners of new bikes need to know. What is the first year for this control ?
ABS came out in 08 for touring (technically 05 in police bikes), and there is a recall out now. I have another video on that.
What if you don't have a dealership and this problem arise..what can be done? I have a 2020 Road King with a faulty abs module..the dealership that was here had close...how can I fix it?
should the break flush really take an hour, IDK just thought that was an odd number
So has Harley found a solution to this total loss of brakes when the ABS module breaks down? With other manufacturers when ABS failure happens the brakes operate just like non-ABS brakes. This is downright scary, and precisely what stops me from getting a Harley.
Where can I get the hydraulic unit ? Thats exactly my problem.
200 lol Hey John you got tons of subs!!! 40k plus now dude.
Man, you went from 200 subs to over 16K in 4 months. Must be your good looks! :-)
Must be! Haha.
Can you advise me as to what soft brake pedal to put on my 2013 H-D Police Bike or does H-D have this item ? Thank you!!
Keep it up you need more video!!
What do you mean by soft brake pedal?
Ok thanks I would bring it to you but I live in gulf shores al
Hello John what's the price cost at the harly dealer that Job I need to do it on my bike.
I see so many bikes that never had the brake fluid changed, and these bikes are alot older than 2 years.
You are correct, I have a 2012 FLHTK and I just had my fluid changed 2 weeks ago. Had a service contract for first 3 years and I know Harley didn't do a thing. Guess I'm running scared. I think that this is the shits...
Mike the brake peddle parts that are put on a police competition bike that I asked you about is on www.softbrake.com it lowers the angle of the brake peddle by 20% making it easier to work the brake during slow ride competition. My question is do the H-D dealers have this service? Oh and up here its $120.00 per hour labor i don't know if that's good or bad service!
anyway please advise
Thank you!
Kravin Moorehead
when it rains I have no front brake, I have no back brake as oil from front jug leaks as I ride & hits the rear disc, yes I will fix it "again" when I have time & money, for now it's go down the gears if you wanna stop steer out of the way put your feet down slide it or jump off! It's more fun that way but I can't be doing that forever!!
So that bike can't be serviced by the owner? that's sucks.
I'm learning what to watch for, didn't know
200 subscribers, 179k strong now
What a crazy ride it’s been! I think this is the only video I ever mentioned subscriber count. I’ve always felt like it’s bragging or something, but now I realize it’s a fun thing to look back on.
Again HD hold a gun to my head. The biggest thing missing in the letter explaining owner can not flush ABS module because it must be connected to HD computer. Mine just failed after 7300 miles garage kept bike. Part is obsolete no repairable fix is what dealer said as they kicked me to the curb.
In my 2018 Heritage owners manual it just says to "see dealer" under brake fluid changes, which I now learned why thanks to Johns vid. Wish I'd known sooner it's not a DIY, as local shops backed up 3 wks. BTW I'd find another dealer or escalate your issue directly to the MoCo.
Oh man, this was the 200 sub "special"?
At over 180k now. Some three years it's been.
Bought my 2013 used in 2014 from a Harley Stealer ship and never got a letter
A lttle off topic. Pardon me. Changed brake fluid in front and rear brakes yesterday. Did the clutch today. My clutch (brake dot 4) fluid was black. Seems as though the master cyl. seal is bleeding off black crap into fluid. Ever run into that before?
Nah. The first run of the clutch recalls called for a disgusting graphite lube to go on the rebuild kit. Made the dot 4 look crazy. A later recall replaced that. Do you know if you have an open recall?
just more shit to go wrong.
Helps you not die though, which is cool.
Hey buddy it Kirk question does Harley use red lock tight on the lower fork leg end cap studs iam trying to remove mine to put a flush mount end cap on my 2013 Street Glide thank you
I'm not him but when I remove a stuck stud I usually heat the shit out of the stud (NOT the fork slider) with a torch while double-nutting (with Grade 8 nuts) so I can spin 'em out with an open end wrench.
Well Yeah, I watch man, an totally love this video! haha Tim
Its always something. I miss the days when HD worked with riders. Not its dodge responsibility on ABS that HAS been serviced. Hope the NHTSA mandates a recall on this crap ABS system.
" I miss the days when HD worked with riders." HAHAHA! I'm old too. It very much depended on the dealerand still does.! (RIP Doug's Harley-Davidson.)
This is why I'm trading for a Honda Gold Wing
Question. I have a 2012 road king classic. 1st bike ever. Just saw this about flushing fluid. Since the breaks work fine can I flush it out with new or does it have to be done at a dealer for the computer controlling the abs?
Without using the shop computer, the module isn’t fully changing fluid. The valves in there can also seize up. So it’s good to have the computer actuate them to keep everything clean and working.
Thanks. I wasn’t sure if it was an open or closed system for the ABS. I know cars are open system so the process is the same as regular flushing as in the old non abs systems. I wasn’t sure about motorcycles.
Ok it looks like that little rubber stopper is sticking is there a way to fix it ?
It’s probably broken. That’s what I usually see, but without physically inspecting it, I’m not sure what’s wrong. We charge 85 bucks plus the cost of the part to repair one.
John Maxwell, what tool is that you use to check the water % in the brake fluid?
It’s a brake fluid tester (Dot 4 only). Available through HD and Matco that I’ve seen. HDs is cheaper, though.
John Maxwell ok. I have checked with 2 hd dealers and they both acted like inwas crazy.. never heard of a brake fluid tester. One parts dept said that may be an exclusive item only available to techs? ? Not sure if you know about that or if this is a part thats so old they just dont sell it. Anyway i just ordered one from amazon.. hope it works well enough.
Thanks john
Are you using the new "H-D Platinum Label DOT 4 Brake Fluid" yet? What is the difference between that and the DOT 4 that they were using?
Could the ABS just be bypassed? Could the ECMs be re-flashed? So many questions... Thanks for the videos, John!
The abs module can be physically bypassed, but the ECM will throw codes because of the electronics not working right. The platinum label won’t be out til March.
1 Greasy thumbs up coming @ ya John
my's ultra classic 2010 just have problem like this. from Thailand
the repair cost in USA is pretty high, hopefully it's not too much worse in Thailand. Thanks for watching!
Hey man I got 2004 Harley Sportster and the front brake won't light up the back tail light but the foot brake works fine and lights it up fine could you tell me what the issue might be thank you
Probably the front brake light switch
Dude youre a great tech so this is not on you. But all the extra maint and expense of the newer models is a huge turn off.
There’s actually less maintenance in the newer stuff than earlier year models. Automatic primary chain tensioner, hydraulic clutch, fuel filters last 4x as long, those are just the things I thought of instantly.
john its hard to believe that a rider can afford a $20,000 plus bike but a brake flush is to expensive , thanks for the video
Turns out HD is gonna cover the flush to the tune of almost $29 million dollars...
They’ll cover the flush every two years?
They’ll cover the flush 1 time if it’s under this newest recall. After that it’s the customers responsibility.
Because they are too poor after spending 20 grand on the bike. Haha
I have 2015 road glide special and my break lights stay on after a handgrip install, any suggestions
The switch housing and brake lever probably aren’t lined up correctly.
Can a person change their own break fluid with abs, Or does it need to be done by the dealership?
+Jim Wilson the abs service requires the computer. Unfortunately the dealer has to do it.
Jim Wilson. I received the same letter from Harley. I had no trouble flushing my brake fluid on my '12 ABS Roadglide by sucking the new fluid through at the calipers. I think he misread the question. I think you need to go to the dealer if the ABS unit is being replaced. I imagine if you accidentally suck the ABS unit dry you might also need the dealers help getting the air out of the ABS unit. Hope I'm correct on this and I have had no issues with my brakes and I did the flush them a while ago.
Technically you are probably correct about not using the computer as long as air isn’t introduced. HD says always use the computer, as a tech, I’m always going to say use the computer
I’m not a pro but I’m thinking that any fluid that resides in the abs unit would only get cycled out if it were to be electronically engaged. Meaning the possibility of H2O contaminated fluid remaining in the module and creating corrosion rendering the abs useless ...
John, is that HD’s logic?
I’m not sure about HDs logic, but it is true that without engaging the unit, that fluid may not be flushed out.
What is the easiest way to see if my bike has ABS? I bought it used and they didn't say...
When you start your bike does an ABS light flash on the speedo/tach? You’ll also have a wheel speed sensor in the left side of the front axle instead of a spacer.
John Maxwell I will go out there and check. Thank You..
John Maxwell I checked and it dont have ABS. Thanks for your help and videos.
Yea man!
Get the bike up to about 60 and hit the brakes ... sorry, I couldn't resist : )
Is the part A high-dollar Part?
30-40 bucks I think
I doubt harley sells it for 30-40 bucks though hahahah
I m on you tube
Bypass it.
How can I send a pic of my bike to you?
Facebook. It’s in the description
A bit more awkward then the abs on the sporties
There is no such thing as electronic knowledge. The CPU takes input it receives to make a very limited decision not based on previous experience and applies pressure to the system. Input information is not knowledge.
Old scchool better simpler the better why have abs on a bike
how do you know ABS broken John?
If there is an electronic ABS problem, the ABS light comes on. If it’s a mechanical problem, often times the lever will quit working. Best bet is to have the quality of the brake fluid checked, and have it flushed if it needs it. That will keep the mechanical stuff working.
there charging $1300 to replace my ABS
bro 200 subs😂
You need to wash your hands