The PlayStations are my partner's so I don't really know - think there's something that only runs on the PS4 or maybe some old game saves that can't transfer across? My own PlayStation experience ends with the PS2 back when transferring a game save involved moving a memory card!
People always laugh when I send 2 cables down each route but this is the reason why, redundancy and future use. Great video, can't wait for the 8k matrix to come down in price as 4k 120hz is needed in this house.
Yeah, I've never really understood why people would only run one cable to each point - the cost of cable is minuscule compared to the time it would take to run an extra cable in after the fact once the walls and ceilings are all patched and decorated! I even have things like a couple of CAT6 cables sitting in the walls behind light switches from when I was doing some lighting upgrades - I already had access opened up to get new cables down to the light switch so decided to run some CAT6 in while I could. I'm not using it currently but it could be an absolute godsend if I ever wanted to install some sort of PoE wall control panel.etc.
@@DJBlu2003 yes their are desperate railways for redundant connections :) when laying cable it's a cheaper cost to lay 2 cables because the contractor wouldn't charge extra and only for the extra material. If you have them come out again the call out fee and installation fee is many many more times expensive then the material.
Would love to see a full home automation system tour as it is currently, showing how everything works and talks to each other. I’m also curious about the way you’re using node red and home assistant! It’s been cool to see the home automation get better and better almost every week! 😊
This is definitely something I'd like to do now that I'm doing a fair bit more home automation stuff and the system is finally getting a bit more "polished" - I have a few more things to finish off first but will hopefully get around to it at some point early next year.
The thing I admire is the consistency, this system looks solid, no random out of sync power/HDMI source issues, which will make is simple for all end users. The wall touchscreens also add to the user friendliness. Really excited to see what you plan to do with the remotes moving forward. I have a Harmony remote that I love, but is getting a bit long in the tooth now, as it cant support newer devices without fiddly work arounds.
I too have harmony remotes, and i guess i would place the hub near the box (where ever that is ). Because the system has IR blasters it should send the ir over the cat6, or RF from the remote to the hub and send the commands almost straight to the devices. I thing i would have at least 2 hubs near the box😂 and so IR blasters would not be needed imho...
Fantastic video! This is almost exactly the end goal for my dream home setup! Nice to see a super well explained, extensive video on a realistic, practical ultimate dream home setup that doesn't use unnecessarily enterprise gear! Top job!
This seems like just the solution I was looking for to move my PC out of my office. My PC gets my office so hot during the summer months. I can put my PC in the basement and just run the display through this, so cool.
If you think you're gonna chill in front of the tv with this guy, think again. You'll be spending you time on the whole home tour learning how to turn the tv on. In all seriousness, well done.
Just something to note, I recently saw a video of someone who tore down a PS5 because of overheating issues. It was stood upright, and the liquid metal acting as the thermal paste for the APU had pooled to the bottom creating a hot spot in the middle where there was no longer any liquid metal. The person in the video recommended having the console horizontal, despite Sony saying it can be stood vertical, to avoid future issues
I would really like to see how you created that cool UI for your in-wall touch screen. I currently am using an old android tablet but it doesn't look nearly as sleek at that UI you've got.
I'm glad to see the box is compatible with Cat5e cables, given that's what my builder installed throughout my house. I currently only have one 4k tv, so this may fit the bill.
So i gave you a thumbs up as soon as i saw the note about skipping ahead, i didn't skip, but love that you offer it before you ask for the usual request that comes at the beginning of most videos these days. Like all I've seen of the usual persons video is their splash screen and their intro, and in supposed to like that? Nope! But this started great, and I'm looking forward to the rest of you video
@@jaydevchhagan I'm well aware that the controller and console communicate via Bluetooth (it has a max communication distance of 33 feet and walls in between can prevent communication all together depending on what walls he has in the house drywall, brick ect ...but in his video his ps4 is a significant distance away from his controller when he's in all the different rooms of the house. So how does he remedy that problem.
Another fantastic video!!! Also I like that we get to know a little more about your personal life. I did not know you had a partner. I know from personal experience that it can be hard to find someone to put up with my technology habit.
This is why I'm pretty particular around having smart home stuff that is relatively unobtrusive - physical light switches, AV system controlled by regular remotes.etc. That said, it does make for interesting tech support calls when I'm out and "the light switches have stopped working and I can't turn the lights off and need to go to bed"
wow simply amazing job well done. I must ask though regarding the PS4/5 how are you sharing the play controllers when the source device is in another room and the controller signals are not over cat?
It’s called hdmi matrix. Control4 does that. Also this is just a network hdmi extender switcher. We use Extron in our control that does this with touch screen control. Your local college does the same in their classroom. Cresteon does the same.
I appreciate the hard work and time that went into making this video. Could you tell me where the wall plates you showed us came from and what brand they are?
Another way to explain the Cat6/Eth confusion. It's using the CAT6 cable in a electrically completely custom/proprietary way for video directly and not networking.
Have you though about use presence detection to make the screen follow you, I mean. You are watching sky on living room but you go without turning off to the kitchen and hass turn on the tv on the kitchen and show you what you are viewing in the living room or where ever you were. This seems interesting while you are watching a cooking recipe, live streaming or whatever in your computer. You could do this to go to the bathroom without being worry about loose something on the tv 🤣 I would do that if I had this system, seems very cool. This wasn't possible a few years ago at that price when I have looked about it :) Nice job!! Congrats!
I definitely could although if I had presence detection I'd likely only really use it to turn off TVs in unoccupied rooms. I generally limit my use of completely interaction free automations and prefer to manually control things through remote controls, wall switches and touchscreen panels. Automations look cool, but they can end up being a pain if they end up being triggered when you don't want them. As an example, if I set something up to automatically turn on and off displays based on room occupancy I could forsee an issue where, for example, my partner could be sleeping in the bedroom while I'm up late watching something in the living room but realise I've left my phone in the bedroom and go in to get it, the last thing I want is the TV turning itself on! Sure you could then amend the automation where the bedroom TV only turns on during the day, but then you'll hit that one day where someone is ill and goes to bed during the day only to find the TV keeps turning itself on. With my setup, if I were to walk into the bedroom and want to switch on Sky, it's just a couple of button presses on the touch screen located next to the door.
@@camerongray1515 Yes, some automations can be a pain I agree but you could have a shortcut to activate the automation and only use it when you want until all tvs are turned off. Well I like this kind of crazy automations just for fun (about creating them) 🤣🤣
I’d love to see more info on those android touchscreens and how you like them. Especially how they work in a bedroom setting in terms of not adding ambient light into the room room during the night.
I made a dedicated video about them here: th-cam.com/video/bDWiQ2xNsTg/w-d-xo.html. For bedroom use, the displays only remain on when the lights in the room are turned on. They also have a proximity sensor so they turn on automatically whenever you walk past and if the lights in the room are off, they will turn off again after a time period has elapsed.
Wonderful. With ESPresence, could you attach an input to you (rather than a TV) in Node-Red (or whatever) and have it switch the output to wherever you are at any given point?
I did a similar thing at home, I used a HDanywhere MhubS hdmi 2.0 8x8 matrix to have 8 sources in a rack distributed to 8 rooms with hdmi 2.0, 4k60, hdr dolby vision etc.. it also does all the ir management and integrates with homeassistant and some smart universal remotes. It's pretty great but my god the pain of getting the cat6a runs to work reliably. Reterminating and pulling new lines because they were so flaky. After almost 2 years of suffering though, it works fantastically, any source in any room, downscaling when needed etc.. Only weakness that is unsolved is game console controllers nobody has a good solution to extend those so I'm just distributing 4x nvidia shields (3 users plus guest), 2 tv tuners, 1 pay TV tuner and one pc for a Dashboard feed. So any user can move from room to room and have their source with their accounts follow them wherever they want.
@mitchelle245 these do require direct connections, they are not ip devices. To send over a network you need a format called AVoIP (rather than HDbaseT) which will allow distribution through a network switch, they do compress the stream more than these, but are very flexible for installs with more than 4 or 8 zones
It would be great if that unit had the capability to recognize those ir button presses and use them to trigger input changes and hdmi cc so you could do most of that control without having a home server
I had a 4K over RJ45 extender kit, in 4K it was ruining fine text in GUI with some smearing, as such unusable for desktop use. Switched to an optical HDMI cable for the same run.
Yeah optical is the way to go since you can also run multiple things over the same wire (more HDMI cables, USB, etc) through multimode, though it gets expensive quickly. Beware theres a lot of people selling really overpriced "fiber HDMI" cables, its much more economical to make your own if you can find the right optical converter for your needs.
@@hugevibez yes I got one of those pre-made ones. From Aliexpress they aren't that overpriced. And I doubt I could find a HDMI to optical and optical to HDMI converter set that would end up cheaper for a 15m distance.
While fibre iself is cheaper than an active optical HDMI cable, the converters definitely aren't - not sure how active optical HDMI cables are overpriced. The reason active optical cables are cheaper is that they tend to use multiple fibres in parallel for data transmission so that each fibre is carrying a lower data rate and then also use copper wires for things like CEC and ARC. On the other hand, converters to send HDMI over a single fibre have to send the full bandwidth signal down a single fibre along with CEC/ARC in the opposite direction. I've also seen the "LightOptics" HDMI to MPO fibre products which look interesting - they use a special multicore fibre cable with an MPO connector and are much lower cost than a generic HDMI over fibre converter but still have the advantage of being potentially upgradable unlike a complete active optical cable.
Blimey Cameron, with the way you cut holes in the walls and ceilings I really didn’t think I you lived with anyone 😂. That’s a clever device though, definitely solves a problem as you can’t really run HDMI cables, plus are they even fire resistant etc to the required standards like Ethernet cables can be? Good video.
A thing I’ve been considering is having a 4K capture card and small board computer to stream my inputs over the network. I don’t need to worry about latency or quality too much though. Did you look at solutions like that? “4K” capture cards are very cheap now!
I’m actually looking at doing something similar although I don’t need multi room just one other room so I only need to run one line but I use plenty of this brands equipment they make a lot of good stuff I use one of their one by four HDMI splitters. I also use their HDMI audio extractor.
Glorious setup. One thing I want to understand, uf I don’t have the custom IR blaster or ability to customize the remotes, how would we switch inputs on the Matrix from a different floor?
Subscribing for the teardown. Haven't seen the insides of any of these things. Are you sure it isn't using HDBaseT? Been comparing these kinds of devices for a while and Orei mention it in their marketing. Maybe it's only the brand new products from them, or maybe it's a licensing thing 🤷 Anyway, thanks for the detailed vid. Helping me loads figuring out what to buy.
Very interesting. I'm looking for a similar solution but for both USB & HDMI so that I rack the games consoles away in a cupboard but still play them from any TV.
You'd definitely be able to do that, not with this system but you can get HDBaseT transceiver sets that can handle USB alongside HDMI although you'd also need to figure out a way to switch the USB connection between your devices (that said, you can get USB switch boxes with IR remotes so that could be an option). There are also USB over IP systems that I want to take a look at at some point. With this current setup, I'm fortunate enough that the PS5 controller has such a good range that it seems to work pretty reliably from a couple of rooms away as does the Sky remote, although the Apple TV remote's range is absolutely dreadful!
Last time I looked into this was many years ago and it sounds like the technology has caught up now. I previously tried with KVM type solutions but found that they were usually specifically for keyboard / mouse and not generic USB. Thanks for the suggestion, I'll do some digging about HDBaseT. My wife will be happy that all the "ugly consoles" will be put away out of sight!
Great video, i've been looking for a product like these for months. They already offer a 2x2 HDMI 2.1 compliant matrix, hopefully they'll offer more options similar to the one you have soon.
This product is only hdmi 2.0. It can achieve only 4k 60 hz. There arent currently any hdmi 2.1 cabable broducts out there. Atleast reasonable priced. Best u can do is using hdmi 2.1 extender with 10+15 meter hdmi cables and separate cable for usb if needed.
Very well explained. Particularly the pitfalls. So effectively if you want to install the HDMI version, you would need to have separate point to point cables in a star configuration for each input or output. You could, for example, have the Freeview Box and the CD Hard Drive Recorder. Would each room be able to select its own TV channel or music track? Am i understanding correctly?
Hello Cameron, thanks for the awesome video! Been looking at this matrix for a while now and haven't got one yet as there isn't really an in depth review like this anywhere but this is really good, will you be doing a video on the home assistant intergration at any point? would be excellent if you are going to!
I'm not, but equally, I don't have any issue with UniFi - Sure it's not the most flexible option when it comes to routers, but for many small business/home networks where you just need something that works that is easy to manage, especially for people who aren't networking experts, UniFi is still an excellent option and I'll continue to recommend it.
Currently I'm not doing anything special - just using the original remotes either over Bluetooth (where the range reaches) or the matrix switch's IR blaster. I do however plan on setting up a relatively interesting solution using universal remotes to control everything (along with things like my smart lighting) so will be making a dedicated video on that.
I just watched this and I'm really intrigued as I wanted to access my game systems anywhere in the house. But the one thing I wasn't sure about was the reach of the controllers to the systems. I have a multi level house and all my systems in my basement. I also have a lot of my systems connected to a 8 port HDMI auto switcher. Would love for this to work for my setup.
Not sure if it would be suitable for this. There exists the possibility of lag with the remote screens. Moreover I assume this sharing is for the “beer run” to stay in touch with the goals in FIFA on either Sky or PS5.
@@chriswatt2702 yeah I would t be playing FIFA but it was an interesting concept. Might work if I had one or two systems to use, but I have at least 6 modern systems that could be accessible on HDMI. Then there's the other 12 retro systems. But I guess it's ok. Thanks for the response.
Great video. The one thing I didn’t quite get is how are you controlling the input devices from the other rooms? Are you able to control them with that rooms tv remote?
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Difficulty with that is it would also reduce the fan power and as it is these fans are extremely weak - suspect that if I dropped the voltage enough to be quiet enough they wouldn't move enough air to cool the device. My solution was to fix an external plastic enclosure to the side of the matrix with holes cut where the original fans were, then install a larger 60mm fan in this enclosure to draw air through the matrix.
very detailed review of the device! something I'm also looking to purchase. I'd love to see how you integrate this device to your smart home. by the way, when you say this device is loud, how loud does it actually measure?
great video, the only part I don't understand is with the ps4, 5 . I am guessing you want to play games, how do the controllers work from that far away?
22:38, for a second I did wonder why you had a Proxmox branded patch panel. Assuming its just a coincidence unless they've expanded since I last visited their site 😅
It's from a brand called Connectix Cabling Systems, although now that you mention it, their logo is extremely similar to Proxmox's, never noticed that before!
This would be cool if you could use the aerial wiring as most houses have wiring for antenna which are now hardly even use and it could be a good way to make use of it
HDMI over Coax systems exist but they'd still expect a point to point link which isn't how coax is usually wired. Another option is to use DVB-T modulators which will encode an HDMI input into a DVB-T TV channel you could then tune in on each TV. You could even chain multiple to send different sources over the same cables and select the input by picking a channel on the TV. I saw an interesting system like this in a bar a while back - All sources into DVB-T modulators connected to all the TVs around the place. They could turn easily switch what each TV was showing (Live TV, Advertisement slideshow.etc) by just changing the channel on each TV. The downside is that quality is a bit limited and you can be looking at a second or two of latency which makes it unsuitable for gaming or even could make controlling a set top box feel sluggish.
Not recommended. My ancient HDTV modulation hardware has always been sluggish; boot up sequence is tricky or audio gets lost requiring a restart. Resolution is only 1080 DVD quality and the A/V timing delay is annoying if you're learning to lip read or hearing the live unprocessed sound for the source that's located in another room. It's time to retire (my) 35 year old NTSC RG6 75 Ohm cables and CAT3/CAT5/CAT6 hay-wiring schemes and just move on to optical or WiFi that also offers much better *household lightning protection.* _I've been smacked TWICE._ Pre-"wiring" with empty plastic sprinkler pipe raceways makes any future conversion still possible for this old fart, but I've become way too lazy to even make use of it now. Still might need it though for near-future "in-wall" O2 Concentrator tubing to reduce trip hazard assuming I'm still ambulatory. LOL
In the UK, free-to-air TV over an antenna is the "normal" way of receiving broadcast TV with cable and satellite generally used for people who want "premium" channels such as movies and live sports. Over the air you can usually get 80+ digital channels including several in HD. Houses will usually have some form of coax aerial wiring installed and flats (apartments) usually have a communal aerial on the roof that is also distributed throughout the building, sometimes there will also be a communal satellite dish to avoid people needing to install their own and making the building look unsightly.
While there may be systems that operate at Layer 2 so they're using ethernet while not being IP devices, this system here does not use ethernet, it uses CAT6 cables but does not encapsulate data in ethernet frames or conform to any sort of ethernet standard.
Apologize for the ignorance, but if I am understanding this correctly. In theory I could plug my cable box in to this device and then run HDMI over cat6 to several tvs in various locations and display the cable box? If so that is brilliant!
I would like to see the home assistance setup video.... thats like epic... also one question. how do you control apple tv or ps5 from other rooms.. the controllers r not connected to ır are thye?
brilliant explanation - super clean setup, great work! What's the brand that you're using for the network cables? Struggling to find a good supplier in the UK since Monoprice left…
Thanks! For slim cables in particular I use these: patchsavesolutions.com/773-slim-small-diameter-pvc-snagless-patch-cables which are pretty good value. Fs.com also do them but their stock/shipping times aren't ideal if I need them quickly.
While they can work for some setups, they aren't really an alternative to this. While fibre HDMI cables can run long distances, they are also significantly harder to run through a building than CAT6 cables due to the non-removable connectors. This system also has the advantage of being able to be used with existing CAT6 cabling that many buildings already have installed.
I keep having to check throughout this video if the speed has changed. Great video but please slow down a little. I did try the x0.75 speed but it then sounds odd :D Thanks!
I also have a receiver that doesn't need the power itself to work when plugged in, but I was wondering if I'd get a better experience if I did plug it in as well. I'm using it for a pc to my living room tv and resolution of 4k/60
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just wondering why the ps4 and 5 at the same time? digital only ps5?
The PlayStations are my partner's so I don't really know - think there's something that only runs on the PS4 or maybe some old game saves that can't transfer across? My own PlayStation experience ends with the PS2 back when transferring a game save involved moving a memory card!
@@camerongray1515 Great video. I just picked up a similar hdmi/Cat6 distribution hub myself. Would you consider sharing your node-red flow?
For a newbie to this it seems really alot.
Would this work with cat5 as well?
People always laugh when I send 2 cables down each route but this is the reason why, redundancy and future use. Great video, can't wait for the 8k matrix to come down in price as 4k 120hz is needed in this house.
Yeah, I've never really understood why people would only run one cable to each point - the cost of cable is minuscule compared to the time it would take to run an extra cable in after the fact once the walls and ceilings are all patched and decorated! I even have things like a couple of CAT6 cables sitting in the walls behind light switches from when I was doing some lighting upgrades - I already had access opened up to get new cables down to the light switch so decided to run some CAT6 in while I could. I'm not using it currently but it could be an absolute godsend if I ever wanted to install some sort of PoE wall control panel.etc.
Who's laughed at you for that
No one laughed at you for that... It's standard practice
@TheHenmistro So all those data centres have 1000s of redundant ethernet cables? Everyday is a school day.
@@DJBlu2003 yes their are desperate railways for redundant connections :) when laying cable it's a cheaper cost to lay 2 cables because the contractor wouldn't charge extra and only for the extra material. If you have them come out again the call out fee and installation fee is many many more times expensive then the material.
Would love to see a full home automation system tour as it is currently, showing how everything works and talks to each other. I’m also curious about the way you’re using node red and home assistant! It’s been cool to see the home automation get better and better almost every week! 😊
This is definitely something I'd like to do now that I'm doing a fair bit more home automation stuff and the system is finally getting a bit more "polished" - I have a few more things to finish off first but will hopefully get around to it at some point early next year.
The thing I admire is the consistency, this system looks solid, no random out of sync power/HDMI source issues, which will make is simple for all end users. The wall touchscreens also add to the user friendliness.
Really excited to see what you plan to do with the remotes moving forward. I have a Harmony remote that I love, but is getting a bit long in the tooth now, as it cant support newer devices without fiddly work arounds.
I too have harmony remotes, and i guess i would place the hub near the box (where ever that is ). Because the system has IR blasters it should send the ir over the cat6, or RF from the remote to the hub and send the commands almost straight to the devices. I thing i would have at least 2 hubs near the box😂 and so IR blasters would not be needed imho...
I knew I got old when the first 5 minutes of this video got me unproportionally excited.
Fantastic video! This is almost exactly the end goal for my dream home setup! Nice to see a super well explained, extensive video on a realistic, practical ultimate dream home setup that doesn't use unnecessarily enterprise gear! Top job!
This seems like just the solution I was looking for to move my PC out of my office. My PC gets my office so hot during the summer months. I can put my PC in the basement and just run the display through this, so cool.
If your girlfriend wants to watch Netflix in the bedroom when you’re at work. That’ll be a 15 minute conversation minimum 😂😂😂
So in theory I could rack mount my computers and game consoles and use this thing to use them on any display in my house! That’s a game changer!
i want this in my life... this device is friggin awesome!!!! i see why a lot of people just don't have the mental capacity to understand how it works.
If you think you're gonna chill in front of the tv with this guy, think again. You'll be spending you time on the whole home tour learning how to turn the tv on.
In all seriousness, well done.
Just something to note, I recently saw a video of someone who tore down a PS5 because of overheating issues. It was stood upright, and the liquid metal acting as the thermal paste for the APU had pooled to the bottom creating a hot spot in the middle where there was no longer any liquid metal. The person in the video recommended having the console horizontal, despite Sony saying it can be stood vertical, to avoid future issues
I would really like to see how you created that cool UI for your in-wall touch screen. I currently am using an old android tablet but it doesn't look nearly as sleek at that UI you've got.
you have no idea how grateful I am for youtube's 0.75 speed ;-) great vid btw
Lolz as I watch at 1.5x
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This blows my mind with the level of integration :)
Really nicely done! I was just wondering (and maybe I missed a part in the video...) how do you handle ps4 / ps5 controllers across various rooms?
Amazing explanation of the product, what it does and doesn’t do. Thank you for the time and effort you put into this.
Good video Cameron !! I use these products for the last 5 years and never EVER have issues with them !!
I'm glad to see the box is compatible with Cat5e cables, given that's what my builder installed throughout my house. I currently only have one 4k tv, so this may fit the bill.
So i gave you a thumbs up as soon as i saw the note about skipping ahead, i didn't skip, but love that you offer it before you ask for the usual request that comes at the beginning of most videos these days. Like all I've seen of the usual persons video is their splash screen and their intro, and in supposed to like that? Nope! But this started great, and I'm looking forward to the rest of you video
I can't count how many great insights for my home automation this video gave me! Thank you so much!
I would love to see a more indept video, especially with the home assistant configuration.
Let alone is this HDMI system awesome. Those little touch panels on your wall are killer
Bravo. Great level of detail. Good work. May you enjoy it for years to come.
This is great. I would love a home assistant setup video, or better yet, a full home automation setup you have.
Cameron what an excellent video. Thank you so much. I am still learning about all of this tech knowledge and I love it. Please keep up the great work.
How do you control your PS4 with your PS4 controller while not being in the same room as the PS4???
Bluetooth?
@@jaydevchhagan I'm well aware that the controller and console communicate via Bluetooth (it has a max communication distance of 33 feet and walls in between can prevent communication all together depending on what walls he has in the house drywall, brick ect ...but in his video his ps4 is a significant distance away from his controller when he's in all the different rooms of the house. So how does he remedy that problem.
@@kevinsono Honestly the entire setup seems overly complicated and does not give much in terms of functionality.
Really well thought out and executed video mate! 🙌 Thanks for doing it! How would you go about gaming on say for example the PS5 on the bedroom TV?
Excellently explained, just what i was looking for you.
Thank you for producing this, very well done!
Slick device! Great implementation and presentation! Subscribed.
Thanks for the great review of your setup - full matrix is the way to go for HDMI over CAT6. *NICE*
The power saving setup is really nice. Great video!
Another fantastic video!!! Also I like that we get to know a little more about your personal life. I did not know you had a partner. I know from personal experience that it can be hard to find someone to put up with my technology habit.
This is why I'm pretty particular around having smart home stuff that is relatively unobtrusive - physical light switches, AV system controlled by regular remotes.etc. That said, it does make for interesting tech support calls when I'm out and "the light switches have stopped working and I can't turn the lights off and need to go to bed"
Finally I found a video with what i want and more.. thank you
wow simply amazing job well done. I must ask though regarding the PS4/5 how are you sharing the play controllers when the source device is in another room and the controller signals are not over cat?
How do you play ps4-ps5 from another room which has not the PS nearby?
When you think your setup is too complicated - just watch this video. It is a whole different category.
It’s called hdmi matrix. Control4 does that. Also this is just a network hdmi extender switcher. We use Extron in our control that does this with touch screen control. Your local college does the same in their classroom. Cresteon does the same.
I did something similar but way less fancy. All my TVs in the house can view the exterior cameras on hdmi 1. HDMI over cat6 is great.
Nice job. Love the clean look no wires where they should not be.
Great setup only ever seen ip ones didn’t realise do cat cable only versions. Thanks for sharing such detail very helpful
Just saying for a matrix ,make sure all display can do what the other can do. It's so much easier and less of a headache.
I appreciate the hard work and time that went into making this video. Could you tell me where the wall plates you showed us came from and what brand they are?
Damn what a setup.
I'm transmitting 4k over cat 5 HDBaseT for about 40 feet without any issues. House was built with cat 5 in walls.
I made some IR send/receiver devices with just a D1 Mini (ESP8266) dead cheap.
best random youtube video ever
Another way to explain the Cat6/Eth confusion. It's using the CAT6 cable in a electrically completely custom/proprietary way for video directly and not networking.
great set up and walkthrough. really clever piece of kit
Have you though about use presence detection to make the screen follow you, I mean. You are watching sky on living room but you go without turning off to the kitchen and hass turn on the tv on the kitchen and show you what you are viewing in the living room or where ever you were.
This seems interesting while you are watching a cooking recipe, live streaming or whatever in your computer.
You could do this to go to the bathroom without being worry about loose something on the tv 🤣
I would do that if I had this system, seems very cool. This wasn't possible a few years ago at that price when I have looked about it :)
Nice job!! Congrats!
I definitely could although if I had presence detection I'd likely only really use it to turn off TVs in unoccupied rooms. I generally limit my use of completely interaction free automations and prefer to manually control things through remote controls, wall switches and touchscreen panels. Automations look cool, but they can end up being a pain if they end up being triggered when you don't want them. As an example, if I set something up to automatically turn on and off displays based on room occupancy I could forsee an issue where, for example, my partner could be sleeping in the bedroom while I'm up late watching something in the living room but realise I've left my phone in the bedroom and go in to get it, the last thing I want is the TV turning itself on! Sure you could then amend the automation where the bedroom TV only turns on during the day, but then you'll hit that one day where someone is ill and goes to bed during the day only to find the TV keeps turning itself on. With my setup, if I were to walk into the bedroom and want to switch on Sky, it's just a couple of button presses on the touch screen located next to the door.
@@camerongray1515 Yes, some automations can be a pain I agree but you could have a shortcut to activate the automation and only use it when you want until all tvs are turned off. Well I like this kind of crazy automations just for fun (about creating them) 🤣🤣
So how do you control the various equipment from the remote locations? You only showed how the matrix was controlled? Thanks
He showed. All are controlled through infrared. @@richardmanford4730
I’d love to see more info on those android touchscreens and how you like them. Especially how they work in a bedroom setting in terms of not adding ambient light into the room room during the night.
I made a dedicated video about them here: th-cam.com/video/bDWiQ2xNsTg/w-d-xo.html. For bedroom use, the displays only remain on when the lights in the room are turned on. They also have a proximity sensor so they turn on automatically whenever you walk past and if the lights in the room are off, they will turn off again after a time period has elapsed.
Wonderful. With ESPresence, could you attach an input to you (rather than a TV) in Node-Red (or whatever) and have it switch the output to wherever you are at any given point?
I did a similar thing at home, I used a HDanywhere MhubS hdmi 2.0 8x8 matrix to have 8 sources in a rack distributed to 8 rooms with hdmi 2.0, 4k60, hdr dolby vision etc.. it also does all the ir management and integrates with homeassistant and some smart universal remotes. It's pretty great but my god the pain of getting the cat6a runs to work reliably. Reterminating and pulling new lines because they were so flaky. After almost 2 years of suffering though, it works fantastically, any source in any room, downscaling when needed etc..
Only weakness that is unsolved is game console controllers nobody has a good solution to extend those so I'm just distributing 4x nvidia shields (3 users plus guest), 2 tv tuners, 1 pay TV tuner and one pc for a Dashboard feed. So any user can move from room to room and have their source with their accounts follow them wherever they want.
Are these connections direct cat6 or can they send the signal over a switch? I’m looking for something were I can send video over a network.
@mitchelle245 these do require direct connections, they are not ip devices. To send over a network you need a format called AVoIP (rather than HDbaseT) which will allow distribution through a network switch, they do compress the stream more than these, but are very flexible for installs with more than 4 or 8 zones
how do you send ps4/ps5 controller signal through this same cable?
It would be great if that unit had the capability to recognize those ir button presses and use them to trigger input changes and hdmi cc so you could do most of that control without having a home server
I had a 4K over RJ45 extender kit, in 4K it was ruining fine text in GUI with some smearing, as such unusable for desktop use. Switched to an optical HDMI cable for the same run.
Yeah optical is the way to go since you can also run multiple things over the same wire (more HDMI cables, USB, etc) through multimode, though it gets expensive quickly. Beware theres a lot of people selling really overpriced "fiber HDMI" cables, its much more economical to make your own if you can find the right optical converter for your needs.
@@hugevibez yes I got one of those pre-made ones. From Aliexpress they aren't that overpriced. And I doubt I could find a HDMI to optical and optical to HDMI converter set that would end up cheaper for a 15m distance.
While fibre iself is cheaper than an active optical HDMI cable, the converters definitely aren't - not sure how active optical HDMI cables are overpriced. The reason active optical cables are cheaper is that they tend to use multiple fibres in parallel for data transmission so that each fibre is carrying a lower data rate and then also use copper wires for things like CEC and ARC. On the other hand, converters to send HDMI over a single fibre have to send the full bandwidth signal down a single fibre along with CEC/ARC in the opposite direction.
I've also seen the "LightOptics" HDMI to MPO fibre products which look interesting - they use a special multicore fibre cable with an MPO connector and are much lower cost than a generic HDMI over fibre converter but still have the advantage of being potentially upgradable unlike a complete active optical cable.
my i ask how can you play the ps4 and ps5 in your bedroom or office? can the it bluster receive the controller signal to the game?
Will this Orei matrix take 1080i and/or 720P on the inputs. I’ve got a couple of sat receivers that only put out 1080i or 720P for most channels.
Blimey Cameron, with the way you cut holes in the walls and ceilings I really didn’t think I you lived with anyone 😂. That’s a clever device though, definitely solves a problem as you can’t really run HDMI cables, plus are they even fire resistant etc to the required standards like Ethernet cables can be? Good video.
A thing I’ve been considering is having a 4K capture card and small board computer to stream my inputs over the network. I don’t need to worry about latency or quality too much though. Did you look at solutions like that? “4K” capture cards are very cheap now!
One problem with that approach is HDCP
@@pineappleroad Most cheap hdmi splitters will strip that out. It’s naughty but surprising how many do it anyway!
Interesting system and a clear video 👌🏼
I can’t wait until the AV industry drops the IR tech or at least bundles it into the HDMI data stream.
Thanks so much for such a great video! So useful and well explained!
I’m actually looking at doing something similar although I don’t need multi room just one other room so I only need to run one line but I use plenty of this brands equipment they make a lot of good stuff I use one of their one by four HDMI splitters. I also use their HDMI audio extractor.
this is some cool tech! I have no need for it, but it's cool! thanks for all the details
Great product ! Thank you for the video.
Glorious setup. One thing I want to understand, uf I don’t have the custom IR blaster or ability to customize the remotes, how would we switch inputs on the Matrix from a different floor?
Subscribing for the teardown. Haven't seen the insides of any of these things.
Are you sure it isn't using HDBaseT? Been comparing these kinds of devices for a while and Orei mention it in their marketing. Maybe it's only the brand new products from them, or maybe it's a licensing thing 🤷
Anyway, thanks for the detailed vid. Helping me loads figuring out what to buy.
Very interesting. I'm looking for a similar solution but for both USB & HDMI so that I rack the games consoles away in a cupboard but still play them from any TV.
You'd definitely be able to do that, not with this system but you can get HDBaseT transceiver sets that can handle USB alongside HDMI although you'd also need to figure out a way to switch the USB connection between your devices (that said, you can get USB switch boxes with IR remotes so that could be an option). There are also USB over IP systems that I want to take a look at at some point. With this current setup, I'm fortunate enough that the PS5 controller has such a good range that it seems to work pretty reliably from a couple of rooms away as does the Sky remote, although the Apple TV remote's range is absolutely dreadful!
Last time I looked into this was many years ago and it sounds like the technology has caught up now. I previously tried with KVM type solutions but found that they were usually specifically for keyboard / mouse and not generic USB. Thanks for the suggestion, I'll do some digging about HDBaseT. My wife will be happy that all the "ugly consoles" will be put away out of sight!
great video! Thanks
Great video, i've been looking for a product like these for months. They already offer a 2x2 HDMI 2.1 compliant matrix, hopefully they'll offer more options similar to the one you have soon.
This product is only hdmi 2.0. It can achieve only 4k 60 hz. There arent currently any hdmi 2.1 cabable broducts out there. Atleast reasonable priced. Best u can do is using hdmi 2.1 extender with 10+15 meter hdmi cables and separate cable for usb if needed.
Very well explained. Particularly the pitfalls. So effectively if you want to install the HDMI version, you would need to have separate point to point cables in a star configuration for each input or output. You could, for example, have the Freeview Box and the CD Hard Drive Recorder. Would each room be able to select its own TV channel or music track? Am i understanding correctly?
Do you notice any increased latency on the gaming devices?
I prefer out poots to in poots. As my grandfather always said, it is better out than in.
Hello Cameron, thanks for the awesome video!
Been looking at this matrix for a while now and haven't got one yet as there isn't really an in depth review like this anywhere but this is really good, will you be doing a video on the home assistant intergration at any point? would be excellent if you are going to!
Finally someone not using UniFi anymore. I really appreciate you getting rid of that cheap garbage technology.
I'm not, but equally, I don't have any issue with UniFi - Sure it's not the most flexible option when it comes to routers, but for many small business/home networks where you just need something that works that is easy to manage, especially for people who aren't networking experts, UniFi is still an excellent option and I'll continue to recommend it.
I wish you demonstrated controlling the devices remotely
Currently I'm not doing anything special - just using the original remotes either over Bluetooth (where the range reaches) or the matrix switch's IR blaster. I do however plan on setting up a relatively interesting solution using universal remotes to control everything (along with things like my smart lighting) so will be making a dedicated video on that.
I just watched this and I'm really intrigued as I wanted to access my game systems anywhere in the house. But the one thing I wasn't sure about was the reach of the controllers to the systems. I have a multi level house and all my systems in my basement. I also have a lot of my systems connected to a 8 port HDMI auto switcher. Would love for this to work for my setup.
Not sure if it would be suitable for this. There exists the possibility of lag with the remote screens.
Moreover I assume this sharing is for the “beer run” to stay in touch with the goals in FIFA on either Sky or PS5.
@@chriswatt2702 yeah I would t be playing FIFA but it was an interesting concept. Might work if I had one or two systems to use, but I have at least 6 modern systems that could be accessible on HDMI. Then there's the other 12 retro systems. But I guess it's ok. Thanks for the response.
Great video. The one thing I didn’t quite get is how are you controlling the input devices from the other rooms? Are you able to control them with that rooms tv remote?
Same question. Do the remote and game controllers work over the IR setup you have?
How does gaming controls work from different rooms? Bad signal?
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See this was cool 20 years ago when you had rack mounted cable boxes, ps2, xbox, dvd, vhs, cd player. Totally sucked when someone changed the channel.
What are you using to make those labels on the cables? And the others? They look good.
Just put a Zener diode in series with each fan to reduce the supply voltage.
Difficulty with that is it would also reduce the fan power and as it is these fans are extremely weak - suspect that if I dropped the voltage enough to be quiet enough they wouldn't move enough air to cool the device. My solution was to fix an external plastic enclosure to the side of the matrix with holes cut where the original fans were, then install a larger 60mm fan in this enclosure to draw air through the matrix.
I’m planning on getting this for the main reason NVR showing on 3 tvs.
Maybe a device for controlling the NVR via mouse(usb)
very detailed review of the device! something I'm also looking to purchase. I'd love to see how you integrate this device to your smart home. by the way, when you say this device is loud, how loud does it actually measure?
Wow! Amazing🤩🤩🤩
It would have been really funny, if you had censored your "network" slipup at 21:03 with a fat beep ;)
way more complex than what i’ve got, i’ve got a 5 way HDMI switcher hooked to an Acer projector 🤣🤣🤣🤣
can you male video how you use “any” remote or wall panel to change input on matrix
great video, the only part I don't understand is with the ps4, 5 . I am guessing you want to play games, how do the controllers work from that far away?
22:38, for a second I did wonder why you had a Proxmox branded patch panel. Assuming its just a coincidence unless they've expanded since I last visited their site 😅
It's from a brand called Connectix Cabling Systems, although now that you mention it, their logo is extremely similar to Proxmox's, never noticed that before!
This would be cool if you could use the aerial wiring as most houses have wiring for antenna which are now hardly even use and it could be a good way to make use of it
HDMI over Coax systems exist but they'd still expect a point to point link which isn't how coax is usually wired. Another option is to use DVB-T modulators which will encode an HDMI input into a DVB-T TV channel you could then tune in on each TV. You could even chain multiple to send different sources over the same cables and select the input by picking a channel on the TV. I saw an interesting system like this in a bar a while back - All sources into DVB-T modulators connected to all the TVs around the place. They could turn easily switch what each TV was showing (Live TV, Advertisement slideshow.etc) by just changing the channel on each TV. The downside is that quality is a bit limited and you can be looking at a second or two of latency which makes it unsuitable for gaming or even could make controlling a set top box feel sluggish.
Not recommended. My ancient HDTV modulation hardware has always been sluggish; boot up sequence is tricky or audio gets lost requiring a restart. Resolution is only 1080 DVD quality and the A/V timing delay is annoying if you're learning to lip read or hearing the live unprocessed sound for the source that's located in another room.
It's time to retire (my) 35 year old NTSC RG6 75 Ohm cables and CAT3/CAT5/CAT6 hay-wiring schemes and just move on to optical or WiFi that also offers much better *household lightning protection.* _I've been smacked TWICE._
Pre-"wiring" with empty plastic sprinkler pipe raceways makes any future conversion still possible for this old fart, but I've become way too lazy to even make use of it now. Still might need it though for near-future "in-wall" O2 Concentrator tubing to reduce trip hazard assuming I'm still ambulatory. LOL
Is it common in the UK for most houses to have aerial antenna's for TV?
In the UK, free-to-air TV over an antenna is the "normal" way of receiving broadcast TV with cable and satellite generally used for people who want "premium" channels such as movies and live sports. Over the air you can usually get 80+ digital channels including several in HD. Houses will usually have some form of coax aerial wiring installed and flats (apartments) usually have a communal aerial on the roof that is also distributed throughout the building, sometimes there will also be a communal satellite dish to avoid people needing to install their own and making the building look unsightly.
HDMI over Ethernet is not the same thing as AVoIP. It’s entirely fair to refer to this setup as an Ethernet one. It just operates at a lower layer.
While there may be systems that operate at Layer 2 so they're using ethernet while not being IP devices, this system here does not use ethernet, it uses CAT6 cables but does not encapsulate data in ethernet frames or conform to any sort of ethernet standard.
Apologize for the ignorance, but if I am understanding this correctly. In theory I could plug my cable box in to this device and then run HDMI over cat6 to several tvs in various locations and display the cable box? If so that is brilliant!
I would like to see the home assistance setup video.... thats like epic... also one question. how do you control apple tv or ps5 from other rooms.. the controllers r not connected to ır are thye?
brilliant explanation - super clean setup, great work!
What's the brand that you're using for the network cables? Struggling to find a good supplier in the UK since Monoprice left…
Thanks! For slim cables in particular I use these: patchsavesolutions.com/773-slim-small-diameter-pvc-snagless-patch-cables which are pretty good value. Fs.com also do them but their stock/shipping times aren't ideal if I need them quickly.
That's why you get fiber HDMI cables
While they can work for some setups, they aren't really an alternative to this. While fibre HDMI cables can run long distances, they are also significantly harder to run through a building than CAT6 cables due to the non-removable connectors. This system also has the advantage of being able to be used with existing CAT6 cabling that many buildings already have installed.
I keep having to check throughout this video if the speed has changed. Great video but please slow down a little. I did try the x0.75 speed but it then sounds odd :D Thanks!
I also have a receiver that doesn't need the power itself to work when plugged in, but I was wondering if I'd get a better experience if I did plug it in as well. I'm using it for a pc to my living room tv and resolution of 4k/60