It’s definitely good how everyone is having differing opinions and experiences with the weapons. The game is definitely at a better state of balance, where you can honestly try different stuff without being so handicapped
I've been afraid to watch videos on The Finals for a long time now. But your video was a breath of fresh air! I agreed with almost every placement. The only one I found fault with was the dagger and sword, but you even mentioned an aspect I feel too few TH-camrs bring up: the console imbalance for those weapons (not the dagger, but I felt it). Thank you for making this video!
Thanks for your big work. You defenitely deserve 10k subscribers. There are would be more if this game was more popular, i am sure it is underrated heavily
I feel like some people are forgetting that the pike is a DMR that is supposed to be used at longer ranges. The nerfs it received were mostly to decrease its performance in close quarters, while it still packs a major punch at its intended ranges.
I wind up picking up the r357 whenever fights are going too fast for me to quickly drop a heavy on time. It's easier to land a headshot or two on them, so the bonus headshot damage can be clutch. Also, protip for the model: the reload animations change depending on how many shots you have in the gun, so if you empty the mag reloading 3 shots is actually a little faster than loading 2 shots while you still have one in the chamber. Empty the thing.
Flamethrower: You do not need a Mesh, just use walls, barriers & Dome. For the lack of burst damage, use Charge and Slam, it is a very powerful combination.
a tier list is very hard to put down, because as you mentioned many times, versatility in the finals is probably #1 key to be great. overall, there is not much to add, i absolutly agree. i would probably put flamethrower and MGL 1 tier higher, but that is probably just my personal experience
93r i would say is in the spot where it needs no buffs and no nerfs, its close quarters can deal high damage and can still do chip damage from range and in the hands of the right person can abslutley delete a light player and melt heavy and medium players. what makes it not need a nerf is the mag size and burst aspect as the mag allows for decent aoutput and the burst if you miss all your shots in unforgiving which makes this weapon balanced to the normal playerbase
The amount of times I die and do single digit DMG is embarrassing 😅 You have to be at melee range to hit all pellets. Which is ridiculous. It also rarely burns goo
I think flamethrower can honestly sit in a comfy mid-low A depending on matchup and enemy team, its brutal vs mediums and lights. Whether youre using it with Mesh to for pushes into range or charge to start an engage, it can be seriously nasty, just requires a little more leg work (which i do get would knock it down) but playing into its strengths and building into it can make you feel like the biggest threat. Ive found a lotta sucess with it running both mesh or charge, with rpg and dome, and then swapping around between barricade, proximity sensor or lockbolt to corral or position enemies into better fight spots. Really only feels like it fails when facing heavy demat use but then again most playstyles struggle vs the "your wall is forfeit" button
Honestly, I’d put the SA1216 lower because the mini reload animation in between every four shots kind of puts you in a vulnerable spot, especially if you’re using close quarters combat
I don't play much ranked, but I think that sword can be good when used as a suicide bomber, getting ahead of teammates and tearing into the team, being able to get a ton of damage and maybe take someone else out so your teammates can clean up and res you. Probably not viable in ranked, but it sure is fun
@@spinnenente SWORD is GOATED top 500 TA, alreadyy hit the diamonds in ranks, world tour can casually get in the 25-35 kill range paying for fun. If your a good sword player, you make your own openings. But I think that sword can be good when used as a suicide bomber, I dont think this is what sword playyers go into the fight thinking, however yes this is good in just about any situation regardless of wep type. Having map knowledge and being able to play the field is all you need to be good with sword.
@@spinnenenteThat uses resources and still puts them out of the fight for a bit. And since I can hit multiple people with each attack, the others will be damaged too. My teammates would just have to clean up a hobbled enemy team.
I agree with the 93r's placement on your tier list. It's not the strongest Light weapon by far, but it was entirely usable. Even before the buff, it was a surprisingly enjoyable weapon that honestly wasn't that bad save for its glaring weakness against other Lights. As a 93r enjoyer, I wanted to share some insight about its strength. This isn't really meant to influence its B-Tier status, but to instead give it some more recognition. The 93r, pre-buff, sat in an... interesting place. Assuming you weren't at the most extreme ranges, your "bursts to kill" were relatively consistent, giving a feeling of reliability. This came at the cost of lethality, but it created an interesting role for the weapon. It was too weak to contest either close-range specialists or long-distance marksmen... at their preferred ranges. Its surprisingly accurate hipfire helped make it effective up close, but wasn't something you could leverage against shotguns and SMGs. It had good range which kept it reliable, but snipers and marksmen rifles had better damage at similar ranges. The 93r couldn't contest a weapon within its own specialty (like the Double Barrel vs the Model 1887 or the LH1 vs the Pike). What it could do, however, was be effective where the opponent was weakest. It could play at ranges where shotguns were ineffective while packing enough CQC potential to take down snipers and marksmen rifles with ease. Post-buff, the 93r retained its flexibility. The recoil, range, and damage dropoff tweaks helped ease-of-use and widen its versatility, but the biggest impact, in my opinion, was the damage increase. While not necessarily affecting Light vs Others, it did wonders for Light on Light violence. Playing the 93r against a shotgun or SMG often meant using Light's superior mobility to create distance, but what do you do when they have just as good mobility? After the buff, a Light shotgun/SMG still has the advantage up close, but the 93r can better contest as needed thanks to improved lethality. It's still not particularly strong against Mediums or Heavies, but the improved range helps take them down with more consistent shots to kill. It's still not the strongest Light weapon, but it at least can stand its ground a lot better. It's still a jack of all trades, but it's still better than a master of one.
I play mainly dagger becuase of how fun it is to use, finally getting used to the last changes. I feel they need to add back the click to stab as well as keep the charge to stab mechanic. So many times i get into a hectic situation, get the advantage and release a second too early and it cancels, or go to charge too quickly after using an item and it wasnt charging at all.
Very useful video, thanks a lot :) 2 suggestions, if I may: - It would be nice to have a tier list with all of the weapons in it, so we can take a screenshot - They resolution of the tier lists is quite low in this video for some reason
Good list. I’m really liking the meta rn, but still hope embark has some buffs cooking for the lower tier weapons for the mid season. The pike was a dream weapon for medium and I hope it gets some love so it doesn’t feel like I’m throwing bringing it.
I've been using the revolver a lot this season, it is punishing if you miss your shots but I've done really well with it. With the sight, I think it's an A tier.
They should just make the spear throwable to additional damage but at the cost of being with your weapon until picking it up but it’d remove a lot of those scenarios where you’re at range without many options for offense
I’m a strong 93R user and I think it should be higher, however I don’t play competitive which I think lot might not be too good. Also the buff to it makes it way better than other season where the accuracy was strait trash.
I remember loving the finals but overtime my friends lost interest and it was just me playing for the enitre last season alone, so even though this new season dropped and I love the theme, playing this game alone just sucks man, but it was fun when every now and then people talked on the team chat
I find it weird that weapons like the spear (melee) have such low dps in close ranges. U need 3 attacks for a light, 4 for a medium and 5 for a heavy. If u use ur rightclick it somtimes just misses when people are elevated or lower then u just slightly, and then the combos need so much time that u can even die to one person shooting at you without killing them. (Not talking about evasive dash, even worse). But when u face 2 or even 3 enemies at once u just die without getting one hit out. The reason i find this dumb is, that all weapons have a certain range where they can ahoot and kill u, but also dont have a disatvantage in melee range. Like what kind of balance is that? 2 seconds to kill a light that can kill u in like 0.6 seconds while also dashinh away and stunning u xD Good balancing
v9s looks easy s for me... ttk is absolutely insane and with red dot its really not hard to hit shots, especially considering its generous mag size, not to forget it has good range
thanks dude. Can u make the same work with the equipement? (i'm french idk if the term correct is équipement, i mean all the stuff : grenade etc). Thanks !
Sword is Goated, Got top 500 TA all regions. Ranked/world tour can always get 25-35 kills. Need to have good map knowledge and be good at playing the map. However I never fear, or have a need to counter pick. Flamethrower, throwing knifes, famas ext. Outplay them and play to your strengths not theirs. Honestly Sword with dash, sonar, invis grenade and stun is all you need. m11 for sure s, LH1 would also be an A tier, most people have an issue hitting shots, rather them train m11 hip fire headshot than maybe hitting one Lh1 shot before they have to reload
It's still pretty good, you just have to be aware of your advantages and disadvantages. Aim assist is pretty decent but good movement players can cook you sometimes
irons is better close range, sight is better far. Just based off of what the gun and scope model covers in terms of your vision. But besides that it's really personal preference
Disagree about the Blades, if you’re not playing it like a light and more acting as a distraction in engagements, using the deflect and running straight at target, or simply slipping behind multiple and picking them off whilst swapping between your guard and closing distance. Some of my best scoring and most enjoyable games have been with the Dual Blades since S5 dropped
They’re fun for sure but in diamond/ruby lobbies you will get immediately cooked by any competent team. In lower level lobbies you can make anything viable so I base my rankings off effectiveness at high levels. Medium needs more things to aggressively close the gap besides jump pad and zipline to make melee on it better IMO
Since S5 update everything i liked to play feels shot gainst lights Speciale i feel the HP are way lower now wich leads to stupid forefighzs against lights
I think we’re probably in the most balanced state this game has ever been in at the moment. Still a couple things to change but much better than in season 1
as a sword player I would put sword in middle to low b teir because you need to hit your shots one missed dash is very punishable and you're cooked i would not reccoment to newer players as you cannot 1v3 as easy as the other guns. 1v3 is not advised but if you're stuck then any other light weapon other than the dagger and sniper will be much better choice
5:54 I think the self damage of the CL-40 should be lower. I think it was like 160%? That's just too high in my opinion. 7:57 Really? Last time I tried it didn't ignite goo even after 3 mags. Was I just unlucky af?
I noticed on this list Ronin seems to favor weapons that are easy, or familiar over raw effectiveness. Like the double barrel should be S-tir because it can remove you from game faster then you can ract most of the time, But ranks the matter higher because it easy. I don't agree with your list over about 5 differnt item placements. Also you should learn how to use the mgl32 before shooting footage. That footage was bad.
For double barrel to be effective you have to be directly in an enemies face, which is very dangerous as a light, and you have to hit both of your shots perfectly and then you have a long reload which just makes it suboptimal at higher levels. Cause in the higher levels every team is just model + sa12 and they all hold hands. The Matter is better because it's more forgiving, has better range to allow you to play more peek shot angles, and has a much higher mag so that you can keep doing poke damage longer and deal with multiple people. It's not just only my opinion though, there's a reason why this is the weapon chosen for tourneys, not the DB. Double barrel players verrrry rarely catch me off guard, and it usually ends up being the people with bad game sense who die to it most. Not saying you cant do well with it, but a coordinated team won't even really let you get close enough without punishing you in this MMH shotgun meta Anyways, that's the more in depth explanation for it. A weapon can have really good stats but if you can't ever act on them then they are useless, while weapons like the DB do well in WT once you get to upper diamond and ruby ranked lobbies odds are you'll get cooked just because of how you have to play with the gun
I really don't get it, everyone seems to love the Auto Shotgun and I absolutely hate it, I'd put it as one of the worst guns in the game! Maybe it's because I'm bad, I dunno, I play heavy pretty exclusively, the Lewis is the best weapon followed by the Pistols and then the Flamer, everything else sucks.
I used to think the shotgun was really bad a while ago too, but I spent 5-15 hours just working on it and figured it out. It has some of the best potential DPS in the game, definitely a strong weapon
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Mediums with the riot shield and being able to angle themselves to block almost all damage is so cheese and dumb as shit to play against. Sure you can argue "just use teamwork" to take them out and you can, bust most random teammates don't utilize teamwork. If you aren't in a premade group or even with 1 other person, it's easy to abuse angles and take advantage of its strong damage in lobbies below Diamond / Plat.
If any more balance changes happen through season 5 that would change the ranking of this list, I’ll add them here!
SO FAR:
Nothing!
I rank them all F tier though I blame the user cause im trash
Hip fire more. They probably sliding or running around you like rats I'm assuming
So real! Why do I do better on dual blades compared to 1987
So you are the shit random I get everyday
@@lamarsmith7530 no i am im only good famus
Pretty sure everyone feels this was as there are rubys and emeralds in every single lobby
Heavy tier list- 3:50
Medium tier list- 8:11
Light tier list- 14:45
Thanks
@ np
Not all the heroes wear capes
FAMAS definitely belongs in S-Tier, IT'S JUST TOO GOOD.
Great video by the way!
It’s definitely good how everyone is having differing opinions and experiences with the weapons.
The game is definitely at a better state of balance, where you can honestly try different stuff without being so handicapped
That’s true the guns that are good are only better by a few centimeters otherwise this might be the most balanced meta in an fps game ever
I've been afraid to watch videos on The Finals for a long time now. But your video was a breath of fresh air! I agreed with almost every placement. The only one I found fault with was the dagger and sword, but you even mentioned an aspect I feel too few TH-camrs bring up: the console imbalance for those weapons (not the dagger, but I felt it). Thank you for making this video!
Thanks for your big work. You defenitely deserve 10k subscribers. There are would be more if this game was more popular, i am sure it is underrated heavily
Finally a perfect Tier List. Well done man , great vid 🔥🥩
I feel like some people are forgetting that the pike is a DMR that is supposed to be used at longer ranges. The nerfs it received were mostly to decrease its performance in close quarters, while it still packs a major punch at its intended ranges.
genuinely great takes and reasoning love this video
Great content! I’m loving the xp54 running cloak, frags, pyro grenades, and vanish bomb. Hit and run style and flanking for your team works great.
I wind up picking up the r357 whenever fights are going too fast for me to quickly drop a heavy on time. It's easier to land a headshot or two on them, so the bonus headshot damage can be clutch. Also, protip for the model: the reload animations change depending on how many shots you have in the gun, so if you empty the mag reloading 3 shots is actually a little faster than loading 2 shots while you still have one in the chamber. Empty the thing.
Thx
The thing i love about this game you can use anything and dominate
Flamethrower:
You do not need a Mesh, just use walls, barriers & Dome. For the lack of burst damage, use Charge and Slam, it is a very powerful combination.
i always ran it with dash! you can also escape "to the side" through a wall if needed and/or close distances
😍😍
Walls?
Or goo gun, the goo gun and flamethrower combo is A tier
a tier list is very hard to put down, because as you mentioned many times, versatility in the finals is probably #1 key to be great.
overall, there is not much to add, i absolutly agree. i would probably put flamethrower and MGL 1 tier higher, but that is probably just my personal experience
I pretty much agree with all the rankings, good job!
wow, it is cool that you put the persona 5 ost in this video xD good taste and cool videos bro :)
as a light sniper main, d tier feels right, but man is it damn satisfying to use.
93r i would say is in the spot where it needs no buffs and no nerfs, its close quarters can deal high damage and can still do chip damage from range and in the hands of the right person can abslutley delete a light player and melt heavy and medium players. what makes it not need a nerf is the mag size and burst aspect as the mag allows for decent aoutput and the burst if you miss all your shots in unforgiving which makes this weapon balanced to the normal playerbase
This opened my eyes a bit on how the meta is right now. I dont really play ranked so this may be something to think about in the future!
Cerberus needs a buff. 10% Dmg and always burn effect.
The amount of times I die and do single digit DMG is embarrassing 😅 You have to be at melee range to hit all pellets. Which is ridiculous. It also rarely burns goo
I heavily agree with this, as a controller player it truly depends on your play style. Hated the riot shield in S1 & 2 now I love it
This has to be the first list I can 100% agree with for all three classes!
I think flamethrower can honestly sit in a comfy mid-low A depending on matchup and enemy team, its brutal vs mediums and lights. Whether youre using it with Mesh to for pushes into range or charge to start an engage, it can be seriously nasty, just requires a little more leg work (which i do get would knock it down) but playing into its strengths and building into it can make you feel like the biggest threat.
Ive found a lotta sucess with it running both mesh or charge, with rpg and dome, and then swapping around between barricade, proximity sensor or lockbolt to corral or position enemies into better fight spots.
Really only feels like it fails when facing heavy demat use but then again most playstyles struggle vs the "your wall is forfeit" button
Honestly, I’d put the SA1216 lower because the mini reload animation in between every four shots kind of puts you in a vulnerable spot, especially if you’re using close quarters combat
I don't play much ranked, but I think that sword can be good when used as a suicide bomber, getting ahead of teammates and tearing into the team, being able to get a ton of damage and maybe take someone else out so your teammates can clean up and res you. Probably not viable in ranked, but it sure is fun
You are selling your team
the issue with that is that a coordinated team will just use defib and now your team has to fight 2 v 3
You should try not to die in the finals
@@spinnenente SWORD is GOATED top 500 TA, alreadyy hit the diamonds in ranks, world tour can casually get in the 25-35 kill range paying for fun. If your a good sword player, you make your own openings. But I think that sword can be good when used as a suicide bomber, I dont think this is what sword playyers go into the fight thinking, however yes this is good in just about any situation regardless of wep type. Having map knowledge and being able to play the field is all you need to be good with sword.
@@spinnenenteThat uses resources and still puts them out of the fight for a bit. And since I can hit multiple people with each attack, the others will be damaged too. My teammates would just have to clean up a hobbled enemy team.
I agree with the 93r's placement on your tier list. It's not the strongest Light weapon by far, but it was entirely usable. Even before the buff, it was a surprisingly enjoyable weapon that honestly wasn't that bad save for its glaring weakness against other Lights. As a 93r enjoyer, I wanted to share some insight about its strength. This isn't really meant to influence its B-Tier status, but to instead give it some more recognition.
The 93r, pre-buff, sat in an... interesting place. Assuming you weren't at the most extreme ranges, your "bursts to kill" were relatively consistent, giving a feeling of reliability. This came at the cost of lethality, but it created an interesting role for the weapon. It was too weak to contest either close-range specialists or long-distance marksmen... at their preferred ranges.
Its surprisingly accurate hipfire helped make it effective up close, but wasn't something you could leverage against shotguns and SMGs. It had good range which kept it reliable, but snipers and marksmen rifles had better damage at similar ranges. The 93r couldn't contest a weapon within its own specialty (like the Double Barrel vs the Model 1887 or the LH1 vs the Pike). What it could do, however, was be effective where the opponent was weakest. It could play at ranges where shotguns were ineffective while packing enough CQC potential to take down snipers and marksmen rifles with ease.
Post-buff, the 93r retained its flexibility. The recoil, range, and damage dropoff tweaks helped ease-of-use and widen its versatility, but the biggest impact, in my opinion, was the damage increase. While not necessarily affecting Light vs Others, it did wonders for Light on Light violence. Playing the 93r against a shotgun or SMG often meant using Light's superior mobility to create distance, but what do you do when they have just as good mobility? After the buff, a Light shotgun/SMG still has the advantage up close, but the 93r can better contest as needed thanks to improved lethality.
It's still not particularly strong against Mediums or Heavies, but the improved range helps take them down with more consistent shots to kill. It's still not the strongest Light weapon, but it at least can stand its ground a lot better. It's still a jack of all trades, but it's still better than a master of one.
SH1900 is easily my favorite gun to use, I have mad fun playing with it. It’s definitely high risk high reward
I play mainly dagger becuase of how fun it is to use, finally getting used to the last changes. I feel they need to add back the click to stab as well as keep the charge to stab mechanic. So many times i get into a hectic situation, get the advantage and release a second too early and it cancels, or go to charge too quickly after using an item and it wasnt charging at all.
Very useful video, thanks a lot :)
2 suggestions, if I may:
- It would be nice to have a tier list with all of the weapons in it, so we can take a screenshot
- They resolution of the tier lists is quite low in this video for some reason
I completely agree with the first bit but resolution seems fine
@ It‘s not terrible, but definitely noticeable when watching on 1440p (still not a big deal though, just wanted to let him know)
Noted, thanks! I’ll keep it in mind next time I do something like this
@@ronin_fps Thank you very much! :)
Really great video, thanks !
Good list. I’m really liking the meta rn, but still hope embark has some buffs cooking for the lower tier weapons for the mid season. The pike was a dream weapon for medium and I hope it gets some love so it doesn’t feel like I’m throwing bringing it.
I've been using the revolver a lot this season, it is punishing if you miss your shots but I've done really well with it. With the sight, I think it's an A tier.
They should just make the spear throwable to additional damage but at the cost of being with your weapon until picking it up but it’d remove a lot of those scenarios where you’re at range without many options for offense
I’m a strong 93R user and I think it should be higher, however I don’t play competitive which I think lot might not be too good. Also the buff to it makes it way better than other season where the accuracy was strait trash.
I would say quite on point.
One must imagine cerberus consistent
Great vid!
Making it so that the sniper one shots medium in the head and two shots heavy in the body would be a good balance and maybe ad some other scopes to it
personally the riot shield is my favorite weapon as a medium and i like using it with the turret because it can be pretty good in 1v1
As a KS player glad to see it’s A ranking
The spear is awesome but I wish we could throw the spear!
and then start throwing hands?
@ well the lights have throwing knives and they just respawn back into their hands soooooo
@@nickeroniandcheesea7773 heavy gets a new fist weapon they just start rocking your shit with punches
i'm agree with the ranked weapons in season 5 of the finals 👍
lol at 1:33 winch claw gravitate towards invis light
The light ran in front of him while invis, he launched the winch as the invis light was in the crosshair. Bad timeing for the Light.
Yo ronin i love your videos dude, when do you think the next community stream will be?
hopefully soon, I've been busy over the holidays but I'd like to do one again. I also got some new equipment I've been setting up
@ronin_fps sweet I can't wait, no rush tho
I totally agree with this list
eyyy we got similar lists, w
M60 deserves a higher tier because its large ammo capacity ❤
Bro I love the dual swords they are so fun
I remember loving the finals but overtime my friends lost interest and it was just me playing for the enitre last season alone, so even though this new season dropped and I love the theme, playing this game alone just sucks man, but it was fun when every now and then people talked on the team chat
Nice vid ❤
truce makes the mgl s tier and its scary
Even he swaps off it at higher ranks though
Hows them knees bro
I agree with all of them. We both think pretty much the same thing.
I find it weird that weapons like the spear (melee) have such low dps in close ranges. U need 3 attacks for a light, 4 for a medium and 5 for a heavy. If u use ur rightclick it somtimes just misses when people are elevated or lower then u just slightly, and then the combos need so much time that u can even die to one person shooting at you without killing them. (Not talking about evasive dash, even worse). But when u face 2 or even 3 enemies at once u just die without getting one hit out. The reason i find this dumb is, that all weapons have a certain range where they can ahoot and kill u, but also dont have a disatvantage in melee range. Like what kind of balance is that? 2 seconds to kill a light that can kill u in like 0.6 seconds while also dashinh away and stunning u xD Good balancing
v9s looks easy s for me... ttk is absolutely insane and with red dot its really not hard to hit shots, especially considering its generous mag size, not to forget it has good range
thanks dude. Can u make the same work with the equipement? (i'm french idk if the term correct is équipement, i mean all the stuff : grenade etc). Thanks !
Maybe this will prevent playing world tour with 2 lights both running dagger :)
Finally someone gave the matter respect.💀
fr it lowkey better than the sh1900
Shak 50 is the best gun IMO, I just feel like it absolutely melts all 3 builds and has no real counters… super versatile
It’s great if target standing still, but if you miss a couple bullets, you are stuck with a reload and ur done
@ just gotta hit your shots 🙂
Shak plays like the ump 45 from other games
Sword is Goated, Got top 500 TA all regions. Ranked/world tour can always get 25-35 kills. Need to have good map knowledge and be good at playing the map. However I never fear, or have a need to counter pick. Flamethrower, throwing knifes, famas ext. Outplay them and play to your strengths not theirs. Honestly Sword with dash, sonar, invis grenade and stun is all you need. m11 for sure s, LH1 would also be an A tier, most people have an issue hitting shots, rather them train m11 hip fire headshot than maybe hitting one Lh1 shot before they have to reload
Thoughts on playing controller on the finals? Is it worth playing controller or is mnk just too dominant?
It's still pretty good, you just have to be aware of your advantages and disadvantages. Aim assist is pretty decent but good movement players can cook you sometimes
Yo w video
Better than Apply tier
☺ thank alot for your video
Do you think the fcar is better with the dot sight or the iron sight?
irons is better close range, sight is better far. Just based off of what the gun and scope model covers in terms of your vision. But besides that it's really personal preference
Alright thanks
AKM has the best dps for Medium, the most consistency
Best damage per mag but not most dps, best dps goes to FCAR vs lights and FAMAS vs medium and heavy
Disagree about the Blades, if you’re not playing it like a light and more acting as a distraction in engagements, using the deflect and running straight at target, or simply slipping behind multiple and picking them off whilst swapping between your guard and closing distance.
Some of my best scoring and most enjoyable games have been with the Dual Blades since S5 dropped
They’re fun for sure but in diamond/ruby lobbies you will get immediately cooked by any competent team. In lower level lobbies you can make anything viable so I base my rankings off effectiveness at high levels. Medium needs more things to aggressively close the gap besides jump pad and zipline to make melee on it better IMO
The 93R should be s tier in my opinion
Since S5 update everything i liked to play feels shot gainst lights
Speciale i feel the HP are way lower now wich leads to stupid forefighzs against lights
9:17 Ha, nice. Now try it in random lobby in World Tour, were nobody use voice chat.
only 3 guns in D is a good sign that the game is balanced well
I think we’re probably in the most balanced state this game has ever been in at the moment. Still a couple things to change but much better than in season 1
Do gadgets next
as a sword player I would put sword in middle to low b teir because you need to hit your shots
one missed dash is very punishable and you're cooked
i would not reccoment to newer players as you cannot 1v3 as easy as the other guns.
1v3 is not advised but if you're stuck then any other light weapon other than the dagger and sniper will be much better choice
sa for cqc play and deagles for long to mid range
How do I become a member? I tried loading you on my browser but I don’t see a member button
Should be a “join” button next to subscribe I believe
@ I got it figured out! Keep grinding content, and I’d love to play sometime, I need to get better
5:54 I think the self damage of the CL-40 should be lower. I think it was like 160%? That's just too high in my opinion.
7:57 Really? Last time I tried it didn't ignite goo even after 3 mags. Was I just unlucky af?
It's ridiculously inconsistent for some reason
It is inconsistent asf but it also can't light goo placed by your own team which makes everything more confusing!
Oh, I didn't know that. I only tested it in the training ground, so no wonder it didn't work. Thanks for telling me.
Solid though being from EU, hitreg and desync are S tier. 10/10 Die everytime two seconds after dropping off standing platforms.
The new medium shotgun is a low c tier honestly you have to have it at point blank to get a one mag kill if not you just get punished
M11 THE GOAT
Aming down sights doesn’t improve your spread on all shot guns
I know, it’s just an old habit from my D2 slug shotgun days :)
agree
I like crushing lights.
If I get a lobby with mostly lights, I just go hunting 😂
I noticed on this list Ronin seems to favor weapons that are easy, or familiar over raw effectiveness. Like the double barrel should be S-tir because it can remove you from game faster then you can ract most of the time, But ranks the matter higher because it easy. I don't agree with your list over about 5 differnt item placements.
Also you should learn how to use the mgl32 before shooting footage. That footage was bad.
For double barrel to be effective you have to be directly in an enemies face, which is very dangerous as a light, and you have to hit both of your shots perfectly and then you have a long reload which just makes it suboptimal at higher levels. Cause in the higher levels every team is just model + sa12 and they all hold hands. The Matter is better because it's more forgiving, has better range to allow you to play more peek shot angles, and has a much higher mag so that you can keep doing poke damage longer and deal with multiple people. It's not just only my opinion though, there's a reason why this is the weapon chosen for tourneys, not the DB. Double barrel players verrrry rarely catch me off guard, and it usually ends up being the people with bad game sense who die to it most. Not saying you cant do well with it, but a coordinated team won't even really let you get close enough without punishing you in this MMH shotgun meta
Anyways, that's the more in depth explanation for it. A weapon can have really good stats but if you can't ever act on them then they are useless, while weapons like the DB do well in WT once you get to upper diamond and ruby ranked lobbies odds are you'll get cooked just because of how you have to play with the gun
Take S tier medium and throw it in the trash 😂
You had my respect until I saw SR-48 In D
I wish it were up higher but it’s hard to justify it in this LH1 economy IMO
watch 4:26 to 4:32 enough said
A fairly agreeable tier list. XP 54 feels a lot better this season, almost feels like the pre-nerf XP 54
Another tier list putting sniper in D tier.. Sad day :(
Hey, maybe they’ll buff it at some point… 😅
I really don't get it, everyone seems to love the Auto Shotgun and I absolutely hate it, I'd put it as one of the worst guns in the game!
Maybe it's because I'm bad, I dunno, I play heavy pretty exclusively, the Lewis is the best weapon followed by the Pistols and then the Flamer, everything else sucks.
I used to think the shotgun was really bad a while ago too, but I spent 5-15 hours just working on it and figured it out. It has some of the best potential DPS in the game, definitely a strong weapon
Lewis and M60 have exactly the same dmg and rate of fire, even with the same reload speed, what changes is mag size, and recoil pattern
this is just not true
the bars are not accurate
Also, what changes most is damage dropoff
It takes longer to reload
@@slimjong-un5743 no, it is exactly the same amount of time
The sword hitbox length nerf should be reverted while still keeping the lunge nerf
If you placed 93R at B tier, you don’t understand how to play L bro. 93R is even better than LH1 now
I’ve reached top 500 ranked with light, I know how to play light 😅 you might disagree with me but I definitely know what I’m doing
@ 97th here from S5, I disagree with your tier. Heavily biased. You can’t just judge weapons with your own preference.
Cerberus so useless
Sa1216 fell off this season shak-50 better in my opinion
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Famas s tier lol and m60 is good is you’re not an idiot who sprays
Mediums with the riot shield and being able to angle themselves to block almost all damage is so cheese and dumb as shit to play against. Sure you can argue "just use teamwork" to take them out and you can, bust most random teammates don't utilize teamwork. If you aren't in a premade group or even with 1 other person, it's easy to abuse angles and take advantage of its strong damage in lobbies below Diamond / Plat.
Famas is far and away the best medium weapon
Im not agree with your tier list sorry
That’s alright :)
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Your not real
rage bait
@@FunnyFella4628 im just joking bro chill
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