The woman who escaped was really smart for realizing that she would’ve been killed if she didn’t escape right away. That’s so terrifying to think about what could’ve happened to her if she didn’t jump out of the plane.
If she didn’t escape she might’ve been one of those women who will never be identified. What a horrific story I hope that bastard suffered when he died
It's just crazy to me that a teenager who is clearly terrified, can describe everything about this man perfectly and was found running half naked down the road with handcuffs on is not enough evidence to say this is the guy. That's wild.
I met Robert Hansen and shook his clammy hand. True story: In 1982 I worked at a convenience store in Fairview, an Anchorage community surrounding a main drag. His bakery was creatively named "Hansen's Bakery" and was next door to the QwikStop in the strip mall on Gambell. It was early morning and I happened to be ending shift as the "night guy". Through the glass door to the hallway and his bakery I saw Mr. Hansen and thought I'd step over and meet this dude who owned the donut place next door. We bought donuts from, of course. I'm very tall and I remember him looking up at me with an expressionless face and those same glasses you see at 15:50 in this video. He softly said "hi" in a voice that sounded like he was talking to himself. "Not a real outgoing guy", I thought to myself. But I admired him for starting up his own gig and making the American Dream happen for him. I hopped in my car and went home, not knowing I had just met a man who had either recently finished a "hunt" or was getting ready for his next. I shook the hand of a serial killer, not long before he was caught. Eww. This is a true story and I will never forget the look on his face.
Haha one class we made our teacher cry an she quit. The school brought in a sub who just told us old war stories. He ended up staying on full time throughout the year, homeboy was dope.
I got that beat.. Senior year my english teacher had a baby like a month into the year and we had a substitute the whole rest of the year.. It was this old Pakistani dude that didnt give a fuckkkk about anything. We never opened a book. Never took a test. Never had homework or classwork. He spent the entire class period drawing students names in cool fonts on index cards to post inside our lockers. Not kidding.. That is literally all he did. Day in and day out just drawing names all fancy like. Can't blame him tho. He was getting paid to chill all day and be one of the homies. If you didnt wanna come to class you just tell him ahead of time and he had your back.. Dude was like 80 years old but the funniest old man i ever met. Mr Manda was a true OG
To be honest, if I came running out of the woods, literally butt naked, with a handcuff on my wrist and obvious signs of abuse, I too would be offended at being asked to take a lie detector test.
No kidding. You have this girl ending up like this, giving exact details that matched up to a man she never knew and would have no reason to frame, and somehow THAT'S not good enough for police... But a psychological profile IS? What the absolute duck
I remember reading a short story called “Dangerous Game” in middle school. It was about a hunter who washed up on an island after a shipwreck and found a rich hunter living there who loved to hunt dangerous animals and had made a sport of hunting humans who washed up on the island. The rest of the story followed the protagonist being forced to play a twisted game of cat and mouse with the rich hunter.
Was just thinking about this. In my freshman year I read that and I thought that this was awfully similar to that. But this came after that was written I believe. Possible he read it and thought, "Oh cool, I'm going to do this"
Good book. It is called "the most dangerous game in the world " written by Richard Connell in 1924. A classic in the early 20th century horror literature.
Don't forget the motel clerk. While the security guard might not have tied the situation to a crime (keeping in mind a plane's owner would generally be an upper middle class person), he still jotted down the license plate. That was good on him for being a good observer. The clerk made the effort to call the police based on something not seeming to be right with the young guest. That got the 'ball rolling' as far as getting the murderer attention that would eventually be his undoing. On a side note, that was disturbing that a couple people corroborating a simple story could derail the entire young victim's timeline of events, especially considering she had many details up to and including a plane (where the security guard confirmed tying the guy to the girl's story).
@@culcune: You are so very correct. I mean, don't police know that family and friends will definitely LIE for someone they care about?? Alibis should only be like what polygraph tests are: Just a tool on the way to the truth behind crimes.
%1 of his stories are actual good OMG people I meant good as in a positive outcome man a lot of you are Aholes I love his stories get a life jerks man stop being so toxic
Strive for bigger goals! Though I do feel you 😉 I don't want to end up as a story, but if I had to.,..I want Mr. Ballen to tell my tale in story format!
I've heard this story so many times, and it's still my number one fear. Absolutely terrifying.The mental torture thinking I'm free to be hunted is absolutely horrifying. Cindy is and was a hero.
@@Deverik1981she’s a hero, because she knew she could still be hunted if she came forward. Most people who come forward about something become outed to the media And the murderers could then see her identity and legal name (which could be used for tracking) She also tried her best to help the police as much as possible ALSO the idea of someone surviving such a horrible thing can make someone a hero in other people’s eyes (as an inspiration type thing)
I always heard it’s better to die trying to escape then to be taken to a second location, where a much worse fate usually awaits you - and this story confirms why
Definitely the case! Even if she was handcuffed with gun raised at her, she should try and take the chance while in the car to try and cause a head on collision, this is only way to get attention and if someone is pointing a gun at you, then it's only soon or later that they kill you. So may as well try cause a visible accident before being taken to perpetuators place.
Yeah. I'd rather die on my own terms than theirs. Even if there is no "worse fate", I'd force them to kill me just so they don't get the satisfaction of doing it how they want.
This is true. The bad guy wants to move you for a reason. They don’t totally control the place where they nab you, but they DO totally control the place they want to bring you. Your situation will only get worse in a second location. Fight like hell, run, scream but don’t go willingly.
I'm also imagining how many bodies are undiscovered in that general area. I mean, if people just discovered three by accident in an area that is so sparsely populated, imagine how many are buried or laying around in the open and just haven't been found.
@@scottcantdance804 it said there were 37 Xs on the map he had and if they found bodies in 4 of those Xs then that means the others are very likely spots of a body. Very sad
@Michael McGrath, She already knew she would be his victim. That's why she ran. If a potential victim sees the killers face. It's obvious they're not going to let her go. She can identify them.
That girl is an absolute bad ass. Only 17 and realized he was not going to let her go and she had to try and escape and risk dying then to prevent the guarantee of death later. She remembered the hanger, the plane, the man. She did everything right. Also, I don't blame her for not doing the polygraph. I'm glad she got out of town. I hope her life got better from there.
She could probably also see how little the cops cared and seemingly were looking for reasons to disbelieve her. In the face of all she gave them, plus the airfield security guard's information -- the dude's two friends saying they were with him is hardly "a rock solid alibi"!
Little_Lion_Heart : She tells the cops about being chained up and assaulted in his basement,but when they have a chance to look around his house they don't go down into the basement? Just what the F? Frigging clown show could've cost someone else their life. Oh.And I guess those asshats never stopped to consider his alibis were lying for him?
Part of this torture that seems to get overlooked is that fact this was in Alaska and these women had to run with no clothes on for hours or days. So not only are they handcuffed and blindfolded but they are freezing. That makes it even worse.
Never cover for your friends. You’re teaching them their actions don’t have consequences, and there’s always a small possibility you’re putting people at risk.
Cindy: escapes, remembers every single detail, left her shoe behind on the plane to show she had been there, takes the police everywhere they need to go. Police: well like...his friend said he was with him so...you should take a lie detector test
refusing to take a lie detector test isn't a sign of guilt or trying to hide something. its pretty common knowledge that those things are notoriously unreliable so lots of people refuse to take them out of fear that they might have a false positive and wrongly incriminate them.
Right? Like imagine if she had taken the lie detector test and it tested her as a liar, then police would have completely gone the other direction with her case, and even in finding the new evidence they may have tried to search for another suspect cause "Well Cindy said it was this guy, but our lie detector said she was lying, so it must not be him"
Let's not forget that this happened decades ago. But the fact that they doubted her story RIGHT AWAY when she refused the lie detector kinda proves they'd rather believe the perpetrator at the time. Why? Coz of her job. It's just sad how they've already got a bunch of cold murder/missing person cases in the area and they chose not to lean heavily on the first major lead they had.
Some people always love to say that police should presume innocence in people who are clear suspects to rape/murder, defend bad policework and the illusiveness of murderers being followed by said negligent police, all while police automatically assume a survivor of such a crime is a liar if they don't want to take a lie detector test. Make the fucking suspect take the lie detector test! He had MUCH more reason to lie than she did. Her history also influenced how they saw her, and his too. He was a hunter, a businessman, a property owner, owned a plane, etc etc. They viewed him as higher in status compared to some lowlife prostitute kid in their eyes. If that wasn't the case they would've never treated her like that.
wait so let me get this straight. The girl ran out of the woods half naked, with a handcuff, told the police her story in vivid detail with nothing left out. Led them to the hanger where the plane was where she left her shoe, some guy who was working at the airport said the owner looked suspicious, they went to the guys house and everything was exactly as she had described it, but they guys friends said he was with them so they were like, "well, he must be innocent."
My question, nowadays I wonder how many false alibi there must be. I mean, you never know how can a cop truly believe a 'witness' hug ng his/her friend an alibi that they were with them. Disgusting.😳😡
@@VerbalVantage if a fuckin profiler is enough for a raid into his house then her story should have been WAYYY more than enough. it's disgusting tbh and i wouldn't have taken the lie detector test either all those cops deserve the worst
What good did that do if the cops did nothing with that information except believe the killer and let him continue his killing spree.SLOPPY POLICE WORK. I hope they were fired since they didn't know how to conduct an investigation. Letting a serial killer keep killing.SMFH..
@@robertmedina5997 damn that's pretty narrow minded and frankly stupid. They wouldn't have been able to do anything without substantial proof against Robert.
@@robertmedina5997 The police had no legal basis to get, Hansen, to take a lie detector test. But, they could have put a tracking; device on his vehicle and looked to see where he went, if any kind of a pattern emerges. Over time, it would have. Then using a pretext, they could have questioned him. Discrepancies would soon become apparent, leading to more questions. There's little doubt that inconsistencies would occur. As, Abraham Lincoln, famously said, "To be a good liar, you better have a damn good memory". Most people don't. That's how most criminals get caught.
I can't imagine what that poor woman had to go through. No one should ever have to endure torture like that. Good on that security guard for following his gut feeling.
Cindy is a Hero. She was only 17. She suffered at his hands & managed to escape a serial killer & saved so many other girls from suffering the same fate. I do hope Cindy is in a good place & living the life she always wanted to
You must have missed the part where Cindy didn't call the police it was the hotel clerk who involved the cops not Cindy it was only after she had to talk to authorities that she did, say someone who sees a fire and doesn't say anything...is that a hero? After she didn't alert the cops immediately Cindy wasn't believed initially she skipped town, if anyone is the hero it's the hotel clerk who called the cops
@@IhavetostartwipingbetterPut yourself in her shoes. It was traumatizing for her! She was even brave enough to flee also she helped the police even if it was not easy for her!
@@IhavetostartwipingbetterDude, slag off with that. If I went through that, I’d need a breather too. But she’s the one who survived, told her story, and insisted they check the airport before getting medical attention.
@@Ihavetostartwipingbetterfirst of all: she was still trying to understand what was happening Second: you shouldn’t have a say in this if your pfp is underwear with shit stains
IMO that's not 10 steps ahead, but I don't go around liking and trusting people. It's about the intent people have. You might be looking for a friend, they are looking to dahmer your ass.
@@rahulmenon4357 You’d be surprised how charismatic those types of people can be. Serial Killers have to be extremely cunning so they don’t get caught. And that cunning allows them to manipulate people with ease
The fact those guys corroborated his stories to give him an alibi… ridiculous. I hope they feel guilty that they potentially helped him get away with murder for much longer than necessary.
@@cookiesnmilk9200 They were threatened with perjury but I believe the charge was dropped in exchange for them testifying against him. Which I agree, really sucks. You shouldn't get away with lying to the police during an investigation.
@@teradavis7811 That's the definition of alibi. In this country proof is required for guilt. We don't require people to prove they're innocent. It would have been nice if the cops had leaned on them to check for inconsistencies. But then again, maybe they planned to once they had a lie detector report to back up Cindy's story.
Me and my friends watched this video a few years ago, probably around the time it came out at a sleepover. We were traumatized and had achieved exactly what we clicked on it for. Great horror story.
Well probably Bc she didn’t want to take the lie test thing and plus she was sex worker mostly the time they lie to police and thing I wouldn’t believe her ever Bc of her job so can’t blame them plus there was no evidence against him
I actually had a very similar situation in Waycross Georgia in 2008. I was on my way back to college, it was late (11PM-ish), and I was stopped at a stop sign trying to figure out which way to go (no GPS). As I was sitting there (no traffic at the overpass) looking at a map, a lady jumped in the passenger side and just said "drive", which I did. I was kinda freaked out, but I got her away from there and ended up taking her to the police department. Apparently her bf had gotten high on coke and started beating the shit of of her and she ran with him coming after her. People are fucking psycho.
The idea of him hunting those poor women is horrifying. I can't imagine how terrified they must have felt, slowly realising that there was no escape and they were going to die, even though they'd tried so hard to get away.
I totally understand why Cindy took off; when the police start looking at YOU as the trouble maker, it’s only a matter of time before you’re locked up, instead of the the actual perpetrator.
That's especially true for sex workers. It's even worse that in most places a trafficking victim will do more time for the forced prostitution than the people who sold them.
Not to mention Cindy probably knew that her results would be impacted by her having recently been horribly assaulted and being forced to flee for her life. She was so scared the whole time that the polygraph would have surely implied she was lying. Even if they wanted to polygraph Robert too, if most people pit the words of a hysteric woman, a prostitute no less, against the words of a clean white man that kept his cool under pressure and freely let police investigate him... Tbh, I'd get the hell out too.
@@mickefy The Police didn't distrust her; they needed more than a single testimony in order to get a search warrant, they needed more evidence on Robert. There was also another possibility that could not be ruled out in their minds as they investigated... she could be an angry ex girlfriend, that's why she knew all of those specific details. They of course believed her story, but they needed sonething to compel a judge to find just cause to issue a search warrant on a person's property. In this case... it was the results of the lie detector. That would prompt a judge to issue a search warrant, therefore allowing them to gather the evidence they needed to convict Robert. Police can't just charge into someone's property and flip it upside down. Judges can't just give search warrants out like candy otherwise the State can be sued. This is going to sound like victim blaming... but Cindy should have taken the lie detector.
@@JamesMerlaut Lie detector tests aren't viable bases for legal documents like warrants. The judge could have signed off the warrant without any further evidence if the officers stated reasonable suspicion; if there wasn't enough evidence to support that suspicion before the LDT, the LDT wasn't going to make any difference.
How??? He had two alibis and his apartment was clean. It was her word against 3. They can’t just arrest a guy because someone said he did something. Stop thinking with emotions.
@@ssjalpha6593 well if they actually would've dug deep into the so called alibis like sooooo many cops have done before which is pretty common sense then they would've figured it out. Use your head!
@@ssjalpha6593 well Cindy was just 17 and went through hell right before that. She was definitely thinking with her emotions.. she probably was spooked as the cops didn't trust her and the polygraph is not 100% accurate all the time. She probably feared she would end up loosing and was frustrated about the whole ordeal..🤷🏿♀️🤷🏿♀️
@@jayandny. but if 2 people say the same thing it’s obviously gonna sound believable as most people would think and they couldn’t at first find anything to prove he did it
I thought the same. Let's discount all this other overwhelming evidence on the simple "yeah, he was with us". Reminds me somewhat of the Paul Bernardo serial killer investigation...such ineptitude.
@@portal258X I think it's moreso the justice system's fault. I'm no expert on this stuff, but there must have been something that legally stopped them from being able to search the house or arrest the dude. Honestly the cops probably would have wanted to take that guy in then and there, but who knows.
Yes actually she did. I saw a show on this and it said she went back to the streets but not for hooking. She now helps other hookers get off the streets
The moral of the story is: never ever comply with anyone who asks you to lie to the police and be an alibi for them! You will not only protect yourself but could possibly save a current victim & future victims of serial killers.
If someone said they needed an alibi, I’d lie and say I would be one but when the time would come for me to make good on my promise, well, a promise and a law aren’t the same thing, I can make a promise, but unlike a law, I don’t need to hold true to it
As I recall he told them he was with prostitutes and thats why he needed the alabi. Alaska in the '80s was still wild and overwhelmingly male. Whats weird is how many serial killers were operating in the Pacific NW at the same time. So many ultra young prostitutes then too.
It's just hilarious to me in a way though, because people will be fascinated by these types of stories and they will easily see how real it is that evil people exist in our world - people who are psychologically evil predators. But then their brains do some type of amazing short-circuiting thing when you attempt to explain to them that these types of people are the people who run the world. They will sit there and deny it for hours, no matter how much research you have done and no matter how much evidence you give them to prove it. Evil people exist. Period. And they figured out (10s of thousands of years ago, if not longer) that if they all come together and work in unity to psychologically dominate and enslave the masses that they can become the "gods" of the earth. The evidence is OVERWHELMING if you actually do your research. But I can already see people trying to attack me for saying this now... Lol the mind-control and programming is incredibly strong. Wake up people. You ARE slaves. Your only hope is to pursue your freedom at all costs. Educate yourselves and your friends and family. Do your research. Knowledge and awareness is the first step.
My mother was an English professor in maximum security prisons in the ‘80s, and was Hansen’s teacher. She said he was always polite, but that she had to be locked in a room with him. This made her uncomfortable, in spite of her experience with other killers. It’s thought that, like a more recent AK serial killer, Israel Keyes, the Butcher Baker is responsible for murders in the lower 48. For me, the heartbreaking takeaway is the blatant disregard of sex workers, people as valuable as any others.
@@Near456 you just saw it. They called him the Butcher Baker because he owned a bakery, and took his victims out to the bush and hunted them. We have an unnerving number of serial killers up here. Another well known one would be Isreal Keyes
Agreed. It’s very sad. I can’t imagine the horrors prostitutes face on a daily basis. What a terrible life for someone to have. There is hope for anyone to turn it around though!
Does anyone else completely forget that he hides something because they are completely captivated by his voice and the story?!? I know it’s not just me!!
Yeah, I use this like a podcast because his storytelling is so good that his voice alone is enough to visualize the whole thing. Even when I've watched because of there being a picture or video with the story, though, I'm too distracted by the story to find the secret.
Dang, Cindy's ability to immediately read that her life was in danger and see past the chains and being held captive literally saved her life. It kept her fighting to get away!
Yeah I don’t know how she figured that one out. Not sure if it was the fact she was abducted and chained in his basement or if maybe he said something that just didn’t sit right. You kidding me?
Cindy is extremely smart, if only the police weren’t so ignorant.. they would’ve discovered this case easy. Cindy helped, gave them enough evidence.. and they still didn’t bother just because his friends said he was there… should’ve been more suspicious when even the guy said himself they would say yes he was there with them.
@@Jp-mn1rq well he her a lot about him. Why would someone who raped you tell you about them and let you see their face if they intended on Letting you go
@@viciousbite8161 It's still weird to totally drop the case and see him as innocent, why would she run naked out of nowhere and describe everything in detail....
@@viciousbite8161 i can understand why she didn’t want to take the lie detector test, and having the police ask her to take the test showed they were having doubts, and honestly being traumatized like that and still being doubted i wouldn’t take the test either considering the lie detector isnt really accurate
@@arnljot9030 Bro she refused to take lie detector test, why would police believe her. Police did the right thing they checked on his house and found no evidence. what more could police have done??
So curious on this also. All the other parts make sense, but the fact he was able to look at the crimes and determine the guy had a lisp is crazy. Makes no sense how that information could be determined.
@@fr3akfr3ak71 i’m sure there’s got to be some kind of habits people with lisp’s have that other wouldn’t partake in, maybe it was just a really good guess based off of watching habits?
Just knowing those men lied to save Robert without knowing what he did. Ultimately making the police completely distrust a survivor is maddeningly frustrating.
I'm with the other people here who have said they probably knew what he did and may have taken part in either the rapes and/or the murders. They should have been arrested and charged for providing false alibis.
Wow… 2 years I’ve been watching mr Ballen… I’ve watched all his vids, and now shorts, and he never ceases to teach me something more about the strange occurrences that happen in this world.
I feel like if anyone else told this story, I would be having nightmares for days. Mr. Ballen just has such a calm voice, it makes these terrible stories watchable. He is just such a good storyteller.
probably because of his sealery, we can assume he has quite some emotional controll and stress-resistence. That enables him to keep his trademark calm while telling even the most horrific stories. also, as @Rose Madder said, that he speaks respectfully about the victims makes a big difference.
I had the worst dream last night. Was scared to go back to sleep. Been watching these stories for a few days.. I wonder if that could be one of the causes.
The best part about this channel is the fact that they don't try and clickbait. They really do just tell tales of real life events in a story format that, while the content is undoubtedly scary, paints the picture in a very realistic fashion. Keep up the good work, MrBallen. If you see this, you're awesome. If you don't, then the first compliment still stands.
@@ReligionAndMaterialismDebunked Unsure of if this is shade being thrown at me, but just to clarify, I am a 16 year old fan of Crash who does not own a Playstation.
This is exactly why so many rape victims don’t report it… they know there’s a large chance that nobody will believe them. 😢 This girl did everything she could (and did it well,) to catch this guy, but they believe his friends over a terrified half naked girl running for her life?! It’s disgusting how she was treated - my heart breaks for that girl 🥺
It's even worse for men. We are supposed to be the stronger ones because, truthfully, we are built for it, so when abuse happens, people. 1. Say we enjoyed it 2. Deny it happened Horrible how rape victims are ignored
My guess is that they did but he maybe hid the chain? Or there could've been like no blood what are they gonna do with no evidence other than a ceiling accessory
Tbh for drug addicts and prostitutes and stripper are more likely to be victims of killings and they are most likely to not be attented to the police department because of there low social and living status
Us men just need to be more manly and have public beatings and stoning and death by torture for these type of scenarios. It would certantnly give those creeps something to think about instead of giving them "human" rights and bullshit. When I see this it makes my blood boil mannn if I could be in a room with these people for 1 minute I'd break every bone they have
This is so infuriating because even though Cindy was traumatized and terrified after being assaulted and almost killed she still did everything she could to get the police to catch this guy and they even with all the evidence and support they just left it which resulted in the death of more women. Cindy is incredible brave and selfless for doing what she did and I hope she was able to recover from what happened.
I learned that living in the same neighbourhood at the time that the Yorkshire ripper was killing women every couple of weeks. The police didn’t take any of it seriously, it was just sex workers. Until he started to kill ‘’ innocent women’’ there words not mine. as if somehow it was ok to kill some women but not the innocent ones. It’s amazing how women are ranked into innocent or deceiving of their fate because somehow they asked for it and the law not there for them. I hope time have changed.But I doubt it.
@@DJKhaled69420 A: Because i watched a different video which went into more detail about this case. and B: Because i actually used my earballs to listen to what was said in this video. which mentioned that in less detail.
@@sam-psonsmith9951 "How did you know he was wealthy" Oh gee I dunno his private airplane and hunting cabin and successful business owner didn't tip him off? lol You are totally right too there are two justice systems in this country, one for the rich and one for the poor, it's insane what you can get away with if you have money. Sad too what happened to Cindy with the lie detector BS too when lie detectors are famously not admissible in court because they are pseudoscience nonsense that don't prove one way or another if someone is lying or not, they only prove someone is nervous.
Cindy perfectly described the man, the car driven, the inside of the house, ths hangar, and the plane. A securify guard even noticed suspicious activity of the same plane owner and got a locense plate number. Yet, that somehow wasn't enough to get a search warrant of his house.
Cindy literally saved probably DOZENS of more lives by escaping the way she did! By Cindy reporting everything in detail to the police which then landed into an FBI Serial Killer Profiler’s hands, they stopped a prolific serial killer in his steps! Thank God for such a brave woman as Cindy! 🙏🏼♥️✝️
There is a movie about this, it's called the frozen ground, and the time i first watched it, i crapped. It's not a documentary type, it's about how the investigation went down, and it shows a bit on the perspective of Ted Bundy
Wait...this girl gave them detailed accounts of the hanger, the plane, the house and the guy that ALL checked out yet when this man’s FRIENDS gave him an alibi they figured it must be the girl that is mistaken somehow? Make that make sense.
@@raven6949 I mean, she refused the lie detector test and ran away, the guy had alibi so was innocent until proven guilty. Anyways from the police’s pov, the girl could’ve been on drugs or something too
Right!! WTH!! Wonder how they feel now? Hopefully stepped up their game., but the loss of life for them to learn a lesson.. blood on their hands, hope they slept well
This story has been made into a movie, I think it is called "Frozen Ground", it was absolutely compelling was on Netflix. When the guy finally blurts out at the end....is worth the watch.
One thing I’ve learned from watching this channel is keep your eye on the well-groomed dude who owns his own business, home, car, and seems like a pillar of the community. 9 times out of 10 he’s the guy with a body count.
Creeps, abusers, users, and general psychopaths hide in society. They know how to blend in. Always trust what people do and say. If they seem off, it's probably because they are.
Guess they need more to go on before they waste the time demanding a search warrant. Hear in some places its almost impossible to get without some absolute solid proof.
I'm inclined to agree with Kimberly. Prostitutes, strippers, homeless people, etc. aren't people. They should be! But to many, they have to prove they're human enough to be worth the effort.
@@Heather-xm9ul If you are poor or if you dont match what a woman is supposed to be then you arent worthy of life. Men too, if homeless men were being killed, it might be a curiosity why but not a demand to know. Dragging their feet to solve murders of people that no one really cares about...monstrous.
@@KimberlyBishh agreed. You live exactly as they expect in the system, with the ability to offer incentives, or you will NEVER receive their best efforts.
So true! That feeling when something that you are watching comes to an end and it suddenly hits you like, "wtf was that!? that was pointless and could have been done in 5 minutes!!!!
They made a movie out of this. So sad that this happened but the movie makes you feel how they felt. Them poor girls. Very well done Mr. Ballen on telling this story. Your very good at telling great stories
It’s so hard to not support the death penalty when coming across cases like this. The unimaginable amount of horror those girls went though... I just couldn’t imagine. The only sense of justice would have to be delivered through the hands of another lifer.
@Azzir Amen my friend, real talk! These mofos needs to pay yo! That’d stop some sickos from doin what they has/have planned to do b/c honestly it makes u really think bout ur crimes! No one wants to be tortured/beaten to death, even sickos n psychopaths n murderers n rapists n serial killers wudnt a painful death like that? Real talk💯💯💯
I have an idea to reduce prison costs, Haneous violent crimes should be a death sentence, the way it’s carried out; Don’t feed them, first time they get sent to death row no food or water for them.
@@katsanddoggies9904 yeah, keyword “unborn”. we give a shit about organisms that have conscious thought and awareness of their existence, not an embryo that doesn’t know it’s an embryo.
The police went into this man's home and looked all over... Except in the basement, where the supposed chain was supposed to be hanging from the ceiling.
@Detective Dahlia The girl explained to a T what his house and he looked like along with the car. They never asked what type of gun he owned cause if they did it would have been pretty damning evidence along with the survivors statement. Plus they just believed the guys bestfriends who would lie with no questions asked if they were that good of friends and they just took their statements over the victims statement. The original officers sounded very lazy and doing the bare minimum. Luckily the Sheriffs office was not as lazy as the original officers snd continued to push this case.
yes like as if running scared, half naked, wearing a handcuff is her idea of fun. they don't believe her but would,rather believe his buddies who provided the fake alibi.
@wardenofmyheart it has nothing to do with women, authorities do this stuff to confirm the actual info frm their subject (victim) , if its true or not , if theyre telling the truth, then we can say theyll probably keep their eyes on person whos guilty. These are my thoughts, hope u understand.
@wardenofmyheart they should have asked everyone for a lie detector simultaneously or probed the men a bit harder, but there is no sign anyone else was killed, so they took their time and got their man. Case closed.
I keep thinking that ghosts, demons, crocs , sharks all these deadly stuff are the most scary stuff, however I forgot that humans really are the most terrifying
Fun fact: the guy who invented the lie detector test really regretted inventing it and repeatedly warned against its use as evidence in court. He said it’s not reliable or predictable. She was right to decline to be subjected to it. And right to be offended especially when the guy at the airport and the guy who drove her confirmed her version. Declining to be subjected to a lie detector doesn’t mean guilt, it’s known among the public the device is highly unreliable. If it gave her a false positive, she could have been arrested for false report on that alone. So she was right to say no. The police’s bias clouded their judgement. She is a sex worker.. he is a respected businessman. They didn’t push past it once they got got the false alibi from the neighbors cuz police will always favor the higher class. It wasn’t till the profiler nailed him that they actually believed her story. Despite the overwhelming evidence.
That's what kills me about this story. How did they want to give the VICTIM a lie detector test?? I was so mad the second he said that. It made no sense whatsoever. Asking the frightened teenager for evidence that she's not lying about a horrific ordeal?? I wouldn't trust them either.
Ok ok ok.. A. This was in the 70s -80s B. If they checked the property and his friends said that they were hanging out so the police had no shame in asking for a lie detector test because they had no hard evidence at the time so don’t be too angry
Ok ok ok.. A. This was in the 70s -80s B. If they checked the property and his friends said that they were hanging out so the police had no shame in asking for a lie detector test because they had no hard evidence at the time so don’t be too angry
What makes me love these videos so much is that they are straight to the point, factual, and don't exaggerate it to make it seem worse. For some reason the fact MrBallen doesn't exaggerate these stories make them that much more terrifying. Plus the calm tone adds a lot to it
Y e s. I think that's why he got so popular so quick. Everyone, including myself, was tired of the typical story channels. Like- OMG GUYS THIS NEXT PART IS SUUPEr SUPer crazy omg press li k e noooww!!!11!!" kinda channels.
I never thought of that. But mostly he’s an awesome narrator. Very well spoken and not stuffy or acting over educated, although you can tell he’s extremely intelligent. Just a cool dude that got his shit straight and can communicate all these fascinating stories.
Cindy is a fine example of why, even when the odds are not favorable, you must find it in yourself to set your mental and emotional resources to working on your own survival. In whatever form. You may not even survive. But a small chance is better than no chance. And Cindy used strategic compliance. She picked her moment to act well. She possessed great presence of mind. Didn't waste time and even brought the police back to the airport. Her choice to act saved not only herself but no doubt many others. And brought this monster into the light. A frustrating process. But at least he wasn't allowed to slip away into the anonymity afforded by his wealth and social status.
That’s why you don’t give someone a false alibi, because you never really know anyone... In almost every serial killer case you have people coming out after the killer is caught saying «He was so nice, he couldn’t possibly have done this».
@@catinthehat906 I just tried to look it up, it doesn’t seem like John Henning was prosecuted for it because when he was told that that could be a consequence if he kept lying, he immediately told the truth.. I can’t find anything about John Sumrall, so I’m guessing they both got off.
A defense attorney will tell you no to. She wasn’t a suspect, her “attorney” was the state. Like you said it isn’t admissible and Police departments haven’t used polygraphs for evidence in decades. More than likely they were using it to see how she would react to taking one. So her refusing and leaving town didn’t help.
@@shane9515 Penn & Teller did an episode of _Bullshit!_ about that. Apparently beating a polygraph is really easy, anyone can do it if they understand how it works.
US law enforcement put way too much stock in polygraphs. This is a good example of someone who refused to take one even though she was almost certainly telling the truth. It shouldn't be viewed as suspicious but it basically is.
@@gobo6175 was going to say the same thing. If you didn’t know or see my comment, Robert Hansen owned a popular bakery that a lot of people suspected they ate his victims. I was born and raised in anchorage Alaska and already knew about this.
@@Misssydney oh wow! That’s horrible! I remember reading a book along the same story line many years ago but never realized it was a true story. Those poor women 😞
The thing I love about ur stories and also ur country is the way research and investigations are being made on any case and also how you details ur stories ❤️❤️❤️❤️
There's only one thing that annoys me about this channel. Every time a new video arrives I go to read the description, then I remember I have to scroll all the way to the bottom to close the description and see the comments. It's a minor annoyance every single time lol.
@@olderloverxx Because they can get away with it easier. It's not an anomaly in the human mind, it's not abnormal. The only thing keeping most people in line is their own self interest and values.
My heart really goes out to these women in this video. It doesn’t matter that they were prostitutes or dancers or whatever. They were women. Their lives matter. And hopefully somehow Cindy will see that because of her testimony, many lives were saved and families got closure.
If it doesn't matter, why do you mention it? Same as they gender, and the commentary that their lives matter... of course they matter, same as any human life...and your barely represed prejudices rear their ugly heads everywhere, champ... one can just hope someday you "Wokers" realize how much damage you do with this kind of speech.
You do know people are idiot's yes? This person was just clarifying that it doesn't matter what your gender is and what you do for a living. Have you ever been on other apps besides youtube? Do you know how quick people are to judge someone with one small piece of information?
@@TheChzoronzon I mentioned it for several reasons. The first is that it stated here that the police and others tend to not even make an effort to find missing prostitutes, transgender, or simply person's of a different social group. Secondly, man y rapists and murderers pick these people because they know those cases don't get the same attention as other classes get. Many times no one even knows that they are missing. Just like the guy with the pig farm. He killed over 100 women in what others consider to be a low class person. He knew it would hardly be looked into. I've also heard police admit that they r less likely to believe women who are in what they call "a lower class of people". I have a daughter who is trans. And the treatment she has gotten just in her job alone is just ridiculous. I see the tears every night. I see the hurt and pain. People need to treat every e equally regardless. I know the hurt and pain of being abused by my birth parents, and in foster care and as an adult in an abusive marriage. And I know the pain of these things. I know how it aches. I've never been in this group of people, but I can only imagine what it's liken to be assaulted and have no one listen to them. To be accused of lying. To be told it didn't matter cuz they asked for it. Or some say oh they r on drugs so they deserve what they got. No one deserves to be violated...(I'll make the exception for child molesters, rapists, murderers.....Even animal abusers. But I also believe in our justice system and I believe in God and heaven and hell. Its not my place to be the judge, jury and executioner. So have a little compassion and pull your head out of your back side. Be a human being.
@@guardiansanimalrescuestate7289 Nice textwall example of all the emotional cliches and assumptions at the core of the XXI century "Wokeness" Male beggars suffer from exactly the same disdain from the authorities, and male drug addicts, and male low level prostitutes... it's called "classism" and has little to do with biological sex. But of course you have to insert gender in everything, it's the norm... Then you say that rape is the worst thing ever... but ok for animal abusers (I bet you include in that category those evil pharmacologists that torture poor kitties in their labs for no reason at all... ) And then you end by impliying that if I don't agree with you, I'm not even human! haha classic! Thanks for the pristine example of your twisted mental patterns, it's textbook level, to my "SWJ sickness" folder.
Alaska has the highest serial killer rate per population of all the states 😳 I wouldnt be satisfied to have my state featured, id be terrified bc of how dangerous it is!
In my early 20's I had a guy say he was a professional photographer and wanted me to meet him to take my picture. Good thing I was suspicious and thought he was a creep. It may not have ended up this bad but it's never worth the risk.
Same thing happened to me in my 20s, in WA. I had stopped for directions, and as I got back in my car a man in his 40's, roundish puffy face, thinning blonde hair, approached and said he was a photographer. He wanted me to go with him. I declined, said I'd take his card. He didn't have one, and tried to convince me several more times, that I also declined, until he walked away. I drove off, and kept looking to see if I was followed. Idk what kind of creeper he was, but no doubt he was lying.
Ballen could easily make tons more videos , but then quality gets lost. His life and things he needs to do would be impeded. His mental health may deteriorate. So I gladly say THANK YOU FOR THE 3-4 VIDEOS A WEEK 🙌🏽 I would be stoked even with 1-2! I don’t know how you manage to get these made in such great quality but I as well as many others appreciate it!!! You truly are more than we deserve! 💙
Well judging by the story at that time after they had just finished talking to the serial killer and looked around his house everything would match the description cindy would give but like he said their was no evidence of an abuse in the house and the killer said he was with his friends the night before so they go to the friends interview them one by one and sadly their stories would consult with eachother, even though most of the police forces knew or suspected he was the killer they could not make an arrest without evidence, cindy may have been the evidence but the police cant trust her because the house didn't show any signs of her being abused their, and so they had to either run with what the serial killer had said or suspect that cindy is lying (which at that time seeed like the only answer even though they had reason to suspect this man was the serial killer they were looking for.)
So, tell me. The suspect has not one, but two people supporting his alibi. There is no physical evidence at the property. The victim is describing the house, car, and plane in detail (obviously she has been there). She could have been an ex-girlfriend or he could have been a John and she was trying to frame him. What did you expect the police to do? Obviously it didn't turn out that way, but the police can't just arrest people with no evidence at all.
Typical police officer is under intelligent nypd had a district court case for not hiring a guy who scored too high they admitted to it but were found by the court of course that this was ok.
@mike scott This wasnt just a simple r@pe case, she was literally kidnapped. Her story describing his house was enough for the cops to actually consider a polygraph test for him. and compared to the percentage of r@pes that are true, the percentage of ppl who lie are extremely small. Ur so sad smh.
my dad got his beard cut by robert in prison bc he was like the only barber and afterwards his friends were telling my dad “do you know who u just let cut ur beard so close to your neck?” and my dad was like “no why” bc my dad didn’t know about him bc my dad was still pretty young and robert was already so old that his story hadn’t been on the news in so long so then after that they told my dad “that’s the guy that would hunt the ladies in the woods and stuff” then my dad never went to get his beard cut again by him lol
@@juancarlosrodriguez6738 Well, actually I don't think it's strange at all. He already had a speech impediment and was determined to be well liked in a community with straight laced normal law abiding citizens. I mean, he owned a bakery. That's a pretty likeable job in the eyes of a nice little community. His speech impediment most likely left him craving the feeling of fitting in & was probably bullied in school. I think it may have stopped him from getting many dates or he was too shy? His true behavior could (likely) stems from childhood. I would love to know more about how he grew up. Anyways, he picked girls who were "vulnerable" as he told police. The girls who he saw as very needy, lonely and were likely not to be missed too much considering the industry they were in. That to me has coward written all over it. He made dang sure that he had all the power over already powerless girls (in so many ways). The ages tell a story. He picked teens. They aren't as street smart as they haven't really lived long enough to gain experience with the really horrible things in life, I mean they likely fled their homes from really bad situations which left them very vulnerable & not much time to gain a solid footing in life. Running from one horrible thing to another. Teens and early 20s are still naive to a degree regardless of what they've been through. Not only that but their critical thinking skills are not quite developed fully yet making it just one more vulnerability playing in his favor. This guy was a coward through and through. Definitely not an Alpha & in prison the Alphas can smell a beta a mile away. I hope he got all sorts of nasty things happen in jail. He felt like that because he was like that, a coward.
Ive been a stripper for years..stories like this always scared the shit out of me and are the reason why I never saw anyone outside of work. Not even for dinner, not even for alot of money, no matter how nice the guy seemed. Im too paranoid.
I haven’t watched this video, but I think it’s good to say that you (and all people) are loved very much by God. I imagine that’s not a nice job, certainly unfulfilling; I don’t think people convert based on TH-cam comments, but it can be good to hear and think on. Thanks be to God!
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THE SECRET IS 16:51!!!!
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Congrats man!
you did it! literally saw your comment 4 seconds after you posted it... you are the winner!
@@MrBallen nice
Letting them “escape” to be hunted by him because he knew they couldn’t escape the property is truly horrifying. Thats pure evil
Tuxedo cats are the best !
Disgusting that he didn't get the death penalty. Seriously disturbing.
And then intentionally wounding (WITHOUT KILLING) them so he could hunt them even more
This happened in a Supernatural episode. Escape Sammy was smart enough to know they were hunting them.
I read a book with similarities to this story in highschool called "The most dangerous game"
The woman who escaped was really smart for realizing that she would’ve been killed if she didn’t escape right away. That’s so terrifying to think about what could’ve happened to her if she didn’t jump out of the plane.
If she didn’t escape she might’ve been one of those women who will never be identified. What a horrific story I hope that bastard suffered when he died
@@xAlphaBxtch and the fact that she stopped him from killing so many other women true hero
Yea she is real smart for that it’s sad seeing so many smart ppl end up as prostitution bc of money need 😔
Yeah that's a giveaway.. if I ever get robbed by someone who's not masked I'd be a lot more scared than if they were masked
The same thing that happend to her after she did
It's just crazy to me that a teenager who is clearly terrified, can describe everything about this man perfectly and was found running half naked down the road with handcuffs on is not enough evidence to say this is the guy. That's wild.
It's because cops don't generally trust prostitutes. That's one of the things that makes prostitutes easy targets for serial killers.
@@tysoncarter7665 Pretty big assumption there. Almost like they need something more solid than a story to convict someone.
@@emalinedickinson7492 you can be convicted on nothing more than a story.
@@emalinedickinson7492 It's not an assumption, it's a pattern. Police refuse to believe anything sex workers say most of the time and it's sad
@@aliciaroelens2630 nah it ain’t sad 😂
I met Robert Hansen and shook his clammy hand. True story: In 1982 I worked at a convenience store in Fairview, an Anchorage community surrounding a main drag. His bakery was creatively named "Hansen's Bakery" and was next door to the QwikStop in the strip mall on Gambell. It was early morning and I happened to be ending shift as the "night guy".
Through the glass door to the hallway and his bakery I saw Mr. Hansen and thought I'd step over and meet this dude who owned the donut place next door. We bought donuts from, of course. I'm very tall and I remember him looking up at me with an expressionless face and those same glasses you see at 15:50 in this video. He softly said "hi" in a voice that sounded like he was talking to himself.
"Not a real outgoing guy", I thought to myself. But I admired him for starting up his own gig and making the American Dream happen for him. I hopped in my car and went home, not knowing I had just met a man who had either recently finished a "hunt" or was getting ready for his next. I shook the hand of a serial killer, not long before he was caught. Eww. This is a true story and I will never forget the look on his face.
Everything's fine and all,but I wish u wouldnt call that guy "Mr."!
He did live the American Dream to the fullest - taking the freedom of others and mercilessly killing and torturing them.
@@bonjy3701you’re a goof
Men with weak handshakes can not be trusted.
@@bonjy3701 Wow, brutal, see what you are saying though...
Mr.ballen is like that substitute teacher everyone loves. Gets caught up telling stories all period and we end up getting no class work done
True...My teacher does that tho
Haha one class we made our teacher cry an she quit. The school brought in a sub who just told us old war stories. He ended up staying on full time throughout the year, homeboy was dope.
@@gmfb521 BEST TURN OF EVENTS EVER!
I loved those types of classes
I got that beat.. Senior year my english teacher had a baby like a month into the year and we had a substitute the whole rest of the year.. It was this old Pakistani dude that didnt give a fuckkkk about anything. We never opened a book. Never took a test. Never had homework or classwork. He spent the entire class period drawing students names in cool fonts on index cards to post inside our lockers. Not kidding.. That is literally all he did. Day in and day out just drawing names all fancy like. Can't blame him tho. He was getting paid to chill all day and be one of the homies. If you didnt wanna come to class you just tell him ahead of time and he had your back.. Dude was like 80 years old but the funniest old man i ever met. Mr Manda was a true OG
Letting them wander in the woods while he hunted them, is another level of horror.
Not to mention the whole island part of it. Nobody on the island had a chance
They still finding bones off knik river, thought to be more victims. Fun fact: he was a barber in Seward Correctional Center.
Hey I mean at least he was nice enough to give them a chance at staying a step ahead of Requiem!
I'm sure Hollywood has made a movie like this sick shit, saw, hostel, etc ..some weird bastards out there...
The animal now hunts the humans..
To be honest, if I came running out of the woods, literally butt naked, with a handcuff on my wrist and obvious signs of abuse, I too would be offended at being asked to take a lie detector test.
Agreed
Same
Police treat sex workers horribly! It's inexcusable.
I have gotten nervous before at the idea of being suspected even though I'm innocent. Lie detectors are fallible.
No kidding. You have this girl ending up like this, giving exact details that matched up to a man she never knew and would have no reason to frame, and somehow THAT'S not good enough for police... But a psychological profile IS? What the absolute duck
I remember reading a short story called “Dangerous Game” in middle school. It was about a hunter who washed up on an island after a shipwreck and found a rich hunter living there who loved to hunt dangerous animals and had made a sport of hunting humans who washed up on the island. The rest of the story followed the protagonist being forced to play a twisted game of cat and mouse with the rich hunter.
Was just thinking about this. In my freshman year I read that and I thought that this was awfully similar to that. But this came after that was written I believe. Possible he read it and thought, "Oh cool, I'm going to do this"
The Most Dangerous Game was one of my favorite reads in my earlier high school days, even watched the film on it from the 30s, was very interesting.
Good book. It is called "the most dangerous game in the world " written by Richard Connell in 1924.
A classic in the early 20th century horror literature.
I graduated 8 grade this year and I remember reading that
I bet the author got the idea from these kind of horrid cases
I ended up reading through that for high school as well! It's all I could think about after hearing this story
Can we all just thank that security guard for doing his job so well💯💯💯
Don't forget the motel clerk. While the security guard might not have tied the situation to a crime (keeping in mind a plane's owner would generally be an upper middle class person), he still jotted down the license plate. That was good on him for being a good observer. The clerk made the effort to call the police based on something not seeming to be right with the young guest. That got the 'ball rolling' as far as getting the murderer attention that would eventually be his undoing. On a side note, that was disturbing that a couple people corroborating a simple story could derail the entire young victim's timeline of events, especially considering she had many details up to and including a plane (where the security guard confirmed tying the guy to the girl's story).
@@culcune: You are so very correct. I mean, don't police know that family and friends will definitely LIE for someone they care about??
Alibis should only be like what polygraph tests are: Just a tool on the way to the truth behind crimes.
Good ppl are sometimes all that keeps life going, kudos to the mensch.
RIIIIIGHT??! Thank God!!! 🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻👏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
Yes!!! 🤘🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
My goal in life is to never end up in one of MrBallen’s stories.
%1 of his stories are actual good
OMG people I meant good as in a positive outcome man a lot of you are Aholes I love his stories get a life jerks man stop being so toxic
@@markusmitchell8585 Yes, but those aren’t very good odds.
Mr Ballen himself was in one of his videos.
🤣🤣🤣
Strive for bigger goals! Though I do feel you 😉 I don't want to end up as a story, but if I had to.,..I want Mr. Ballen to tell my tale in story format!
the fact that some killers are just so smart makes it more worrying
Ya seriously
@Claire Redfield you're right.
@Claire Redfield ayo its Claire redfield from resident evil
Psychopaths/sociopaths usually are highly intelligent
Also really sad that they couldn't direct that passion and intellect towards bettering humanity, instead of murdering innocents.
I've heard this story so many times, and it's still my number one fear. Absolutely terrifying.The mental torture thinking I'm free to be hunted is absolutely horrifying. Cindy is and was a hero.
How so?
I mean, I'm glad she survived, but at no point did her testimony amount to an arrest.
@@Deverik1981she’s a hero, because she knew she could still be hunted if she came forward. Most people who come forward about something become outed to the media
And the murderers could then see her identity and legal name (which could be used for tracking)
She also tried her best to help the police as much as possible
ALSO the idea of someone surviving such a horrible thing can make someone a hero in other people’s eyes (as an inspiration type thing)
The movie 'the frozen ground' is also based on these events
@@Deverik1981 without her surviving and telling the police, they most likely never would have confronted the killer and go down the whole rabbit hole
I always heard it’s better to die trying to escape then to be taken to a second location, where a much worse fate usually awaits you - and this story confirms why
Definitely the case! Even if she was handcuffed with gun raised at her, she should try and take the chance while in the car to try and cause a head on collision, this is only way to get attention and if someone is pointing a gun at you, then it's only soon or later that they kill you. So may as well try cause a visible accident before being taken to perpetuators place.
Yes.. it's the thing called don't make a deal with the devil - well because he's a liar and will betray you.
Yeah. I'd rather die on my own terms than theirs. Even if there is no "worse fate", I'd force them to kill me just so they don't get the satisfaction of doing it how they want.
This is true. The bad guy wants to move you for a reason. They don’t totally control the place where they nab you, but they DO totally control the place they want to bring you. Your situation will only get worse in a second location. Fight like hell, run, scream but don’t go willingly.
Yea that’s what I was thinking I’d rather die escaping, than just waiting for him to take me wherever he’s taking me to kill me
Imagine being the girl who escaped and finding out what she had almost been a victim of.
I'm also imagining how many bodies are undiscovered in that general area.
I mean, if people just discovered three by accident in an area that is so sparsely populated, imagine how many are buried or laying around in the open and just haven't been found.
@@scottcantdance804 There were quite a few that they never found of his. They show their pictures at the end of the movie On Frozen Ground.
@@scottcantdance804 it said there were 37 Xs on the map he had and if they found bodies in 4 of those Xs then that means the others are very likely spots of a body. Very sad
And then also not be believed by the police
@Michael McGrath, She already knew she would be his victim. That's why she ran.
If a potential victim sees the killers face. It's obvious they're not going to let her go. She can identify them.
That girl is an absolute bad ass. Only 17 and realized he was not going to let her go and she had to try and escape and risk dying then to prevent the guarantee of death later. She remembered the hanger, the plane, the man. She did everything right. Also, I don't blame her for not doing the polygraph. I'm glad she got out of town. I hope her life got better from there.
She could probably also see how little the cops cared and seemingly were looking for reasons to disbelieve her.
In the face of all she gave them, plus the airfield security guard's information -- the dude's two friends saying they were with him is hardly "a rock solid alibi"!
Little_Lion_Heart : She tells the cops about being chained up and assaulted in his basement,but when they have a chance to look around his house they don't go down into the basement?
Just what the F?
Frigging clown show could've cost someone else their life.
Oh.And I guess those asshats never stopped to consider his alibis were lying for him?
the police where like: "uh? why you no trust our monkey tech? uh uh uh?"
She probably though she would get arrested if she failed the lie detector
She had/has bad PTSD but was basically scared straight. Read the book Butcher Baker if you are interested in this case.
Part of this torture that seems to get overlooked is that fact this was in Alaska and these women had to run with no clothes on for hours or days. So not only are they handcuffed and blindfolded but they are freezing. That makes it even worse.
His "friends" should be charged too. Because of their lies, more people were killed.
They probably thought it was about something small they didn’t know he was a serial killer
@@NoName-gd4gv yeah, like a whole bunch of cops coming to their lots.
Exactly what I thought! Potential prevented deaths.
Never cover for your friends. You’re teaching them their actions don’t have consequences, and there’s always a small possibility you’re putting people at risk.
@@annataymond9529 yeah I agree
Cindy: escapes, remembers every single detail, left her shoe behind on the plane to show she had been there, takes the police everywhere they need to go.
Police: well like...his friend said he was with him so...you should take a lie detector test
I got so mad about that.
@@misscyanide3065 same... Like, of course the sex worker was making it up... Makes me so mad.
It’s Not Fair
So true, Those police unintentionally killed someone because of their Ignorance.
Maybe coz people can get framed too.
refusing to take a lie detector test isn't a sign of guilt or trying to hide something. its pretty common knowledge that those things are notoriously unreliable so lots of people refuse to take them out of fear that they might have a false positive and wrongly incriminate them.
I was thinking the same thing during the video.
Right? Like imagine if she had taken the lie detector test and it tested her as a liar, then police would have completely gone the other direction with her case, and even in finding the new evidence they may have tried to search for another suspect cause "Well Cindy said it was this guy, but our lie detector said she was lying, so it must not be him"
Lie detectors are a pseudo science.
NoPE
@@ashgamingrobloxminecraft4237 uhh yes
Let's not forget that this happened decades ago. But the fact that they doubted her story RIGHT AWAY when she refused the lie detector kinda proves they'd rather believe the perpetrator at the time. Why? Coz of her job. It's just sad how they've already got a bunch of cold murder/missing person cases in the area and they chose not to lean heavily on the first major lead they had.
Agreed
Some people always love to say that police should presume innocence in people who are clear suspects to rape/murder, defend bad policework and the illusiveness of murderers being followed by said negligent police, all while police automatically assume a survivor of such a crime is a liar if they don't want to take a lie detector test. Make the fucking suspect take the lie detector test! He had MUCH more reason to lie than she did. Her history also influenced how they saw her, and his too. He was a hunter, a businessman, a property owner, owned a plane, etc etc. They viewed him as higher in status compared to some lowlife prostitute kid in their eyes. If that wasn't the case they would've never treated her like that.
wait so let me get this straight. The girl ran out of the woods half naked, with a handcuff, told the police her story in vivid detail with nothing left out. Led them to the hanger where the plane was where she left her shoe, some guy who was working at the airport said the owner looked suspicious, they went to the guys house and everything was exactly as she had described it, but they guys friends said he was with them so they were like, "well, he must be innocent."
Or at least, we need to get a lie-detector test on this girl. So infuriating.
Well they can’t just charge someone based on someone else’s story. Innocent until proven guilty.
My question, nowadays I wonder how many false alibi there must be. I mean, you never know how can a cop truly believe a 'witness' hug ng his/her friend an alibi that they were with them. Disgusting.😳😡
Yeah...this one was really bad
@@VerbalVantage if a fuckin profiler is enough for a raid into his house then her story should have been WAYYY more than enough. it's disgusting tbh and i wouldn't have taken the lie detector test either all those cops deserve the worst
That security guard is a good man for taking down that guys license plate, kids always trust your gut feeling
What good did that do if the cops
did nothing with that information except believe the killer and let him continue his killing spree.SLOPPY POLICE WORK. I hope they were fired since they didn't know how to conduct an investigation. Letting a serial killer keep killing.SMFH..
@@robertmedina5997 damn that's pretty narrow minded and frankly stupid. They wouldn't have been able to do anything without substantial proof against Robert.
@@robertmedina5997 The police had no legal basis to get, Hansen, to take a lie detector test. But, they could have put a tracking; device on his vehicle and looked to see where he went, if any kind of a pattern emerges. Over time, it would have. Then using a pretext, they could have questioned him. Discrepancies would soon become apparent, leading to more questions. There's little doubt that inconsistencies would occur. As, Abraham Lincoln, famously said, "To be a good liar, you better have a damn good memory". Most people don't. That's how most criminals get caught.
Yes he is!
@@UmarAli-tq8pl pop
I can't imagine what that poor woman had to go through. No one should ever have to endure torture like that. Good on that security guard for following his gut feeling.
Those*
Right, those women
and the cops still gave the killer the benefit of the doubt even with so many red flags smh
Fair enough, all of those women.
Cindy is a Hero. She was only 17. She suffered at his hands & managed to escape a serial killer & saved so many other girls from suffering the same fate.
I do hope Cindy is in a good place & living the life she always wanted to
You must have missed the part where Cindy didn't call the police it was the hotel clerk who involved the cops not Cindy it was only after she had to talk to authorities that she did, say someone who sees a fire and doesn't say anything...is that a hero? After she didn't alert the cops immediately Cindy wasn't believed initially she skipped town, if anyone is the hero it's the hotel clerk who called the cops
@@IhavetostartwipingbetterPut yourself in her shoes. It was traumatizing for her!
She was even brave enough to flee also she helped the police even if it was not easy for her!
@@IhavetostartwipingbetterDude, slag off with that. If I went through that, I’d need a breather too. But she’s the one who survived, told her story, and insisted they check the airport before getting medical attention.
@@Ihavetostartwipingbetterfirst of all: she was still trying to understand what was happening
Second: you shouldn’t have a say in this if your pfp is underwear with shit stains
Never realised how much I like the strange, dark and mysterious in story format
I knew that when I was seven it's been four years of liking the strange
Once you go strange, dark and mysterious you never go back!
with distracting hand motions
3, 4 even 5 times a week
I usually don’t cuz I’m a wimp with scary/horror stories but there is something so good about the way he tells all. These stories, I’m addicted.
The worst serial killer is the one that's 10 steps ahead us. While you're liking and trusting them they're studying and plotting on you.
All serial killers are equally bad, and scary, but some are indeed smarter.
IMO that's not 10 steps ahead, but I don't go around liking and trusting people. It's about the intent people have. You might be looking for a friend, they are looking to dahmer your ass.
@@rahulmenon4357 You’d be surprised how charismatic those types of people can be. Serial Killers have to be extremely cunning so they don’t get caught. And that cunning allows them to manipulate people with ease
Fuck up😓
Yes, the Democrat party, just ask Seth Rich...
The fact those guys corroborated his stories to give him an alibi… ridiculous. I hope they feel guilty that they potentially helped him get away with murder for much longer than necessary.
I hope they got charged
who the hell decides that that's an alibi anyway, there was no proof what so every!!!
Lazy police work
@@cookiesnmilk9200 They were threatened with perjury but I believe the charge was dropped in exchange for them testifying against him. Which I agree, really sucks. You shouldn't get away with lying to the police during an investigation.
@@teradavis7811 That's the definition of alibi. In this country proof is required for guilt. We don't require people to prove they're innocent.
It would have been nice if the cops had leaned on them to check for inconsistencies. But then again, maybe they planned to once they had a lie detector report to back up Cindy's story.
Me and my friends watched this video a few years ago, probably around the time it came out at a sleepover. We were traumatized and had achieved exactly what we clicked on it for. Great horror story.
If this girl knew almost every detail before the police went there and the police didn’t believe her , that is just messed up.
Well probably Bc she didn’t want to take the lie test thing and plus she was sex worker mostly the time they lie to police and thing I wouldn’t believe her ever Bc of her job so can’t blame them plus there was no evidence against him
She didn't take the lie detector and Robert had an alibi proving he wasn't with her
It's because he had a strong fabricated alibi, that consisted of 2 false witnesses
my god they DID believe her, they literally checked our her story but he had a (fake) alibi
Lawfully, all evidence can point to someone having done something, but without proof, that person is innocent. Messed up, I know.
Shout out to the guy who picked her up no questions asked
edit thank u for all the likes :)
wtf
@@_helenadesousa what's wrong
@@Gyropop oh i thought you meant when he kiddnapped her not when she was saved
I actually had a very similar situation in Waycross Georgia in 2008. I was on my way back to college, it was late (11PM-ish), and I was stopped at a stop sign trying to figure out which way to go (no GPS). As I was sitting there (no traffic at the overpass) looking at a map, a lady jumped in the passenger side and just said "drive", which I did. I was kinda freaked out, but I got her away from there and ended up taking her to the police department. Apparently her bf had gotten high on coke and started beating the shit of of her and she ran with him coming after her.
People are fucking psycho.
@@maddog4u31757 I hope you find $100 on the ground tmrw. Good on you man, that's an amazing story
The idea of him hunting those poor women is horrifying. I can't imagine how terrified they must have felt, slowly realising that there was no escape and they were going to die, even though they'd tried so hard to get away.
WDYM THAT SOUND SO COOL, jkjk
@@gamechan7889 😐
@@gamechan7889 sounds hawt af
@@yellowpeepee6012 what XD XD
Terrible 😞
Been following you for a month now. You are a great story teller. And thank you for your service
I totally understand why Cindy took off; when the police start looking at YOU as the trouble maker, it’s only a matter of time before you’re locked up, instead of the the actual perpetrator.
That's especially true for sex workers. It's even worse that in most places a trafficking victim will do more time for the forced prostitution than the people who sold them.
@@TrineDaely Yes!! The laws need to change to PROTECT those workers so they’re not afraid to seek help.
Not to mention Cindy probably knew that her results would be impacted by her having recently been horribly assaulted and being forced to flee for her life. She was so scared the whole time that the polygraph would have surely implied she was lying. Even if they wanted to polygraph Robert too, if most people pit the words of a hysteric woman, a prostitute no less, against the words of a clean white man that kept his cool under pressure and freely let police investigate him... Tbh, I'd get the hell out too.
@@mickefy The Police didn't distrust her; they needed more than a single testimony in order to get a search warrant, they needed more evidence on Robert.
There was also another possibility that could not be ruled out in their minds as they investigated... she could be an angry ex girlfriend, that's why she knew all of those specific details.
They of course believed her story, but they needed sonething to compel a judge to find just cause to issue a search warrant on a person's property.
In this case... it was the results of the lie detector.
That would prompt a judge to issue a search warrant, therefore allowing them to gather the evidence they needed to convict Robert.
Police can't just charge into someone's property and flip it upside down.
Judges can't just give search warrants out like candy otherwise the State can be sued.
This is going to sound like victim blaming... but Cindy should have taken the lie detector.
@@JamesMerlaut Lie detector tests aren't viable bases for legal documents like warrants. The judge could have signed off the warrant without any further evidence if the officers stated reasonable suspicion; if there wasn't enough evidence to support that suspicion before the LDT, the LDT wasn't going to make any difference.
i think its insulting to ask Cindy to do a polygraph test after all she went through and all the details she provided to them. Poor Cindy.
How??? He had two alibis and his apartment was clean. It was her word against 3. They can’t just arrest a guy because someone said he did something. Stop thinking with emotions.
@@ssjalpha6593 well if they actually would've dug deep into the so called alibis like sooooo many cops have done before which is pretty common sense then they would've figured it out. Use your head!
@@ssjalpha6593 well Cindy was just 17 and went through hell right before that. She was definitely thinking with her emotions.. she probably was spooked as the cops didn't trust her and the polygraph is not 100% accurate all the time. She probably feared she would end up loosing and was frustrated about the whole ordeal..🤷🏿♀️🤷🏿♀️
@@jayandny. but if 2 people say the same thing it’s obviously gonna sound believable as most people would think and they couldn’t at first find anything to prove he did it
Exactly! This is outright discrimination because she was an exotic dancer.
I love how a couple guy saying, “yeah he was with us” is enough to discount the girl, and security guards story and license plates and shit
I thought the same. Let's discount all this other overwhelming evidence on the simple "yeah, he was with us". Reminds me somewhat of the Paul Bernardo serial killer investigation...such ineptitude.
world class police work right there.
Well, a girl runs without pants in a highway and calls the police for shits and giggles every day, what can police do - believe all of them? *sarcasm*
They did believe her, but you need to build enough evidence to arrest someone. Had she cooperated she likely could have saved some lives.
@@portal258X I think it's moreso the justice system's fault. I'm no expert on this stuff, but there must have been something that legally stopped them from being able to search the house or arrest the dude. Honestly the cops probably would have wanted to take that guy in then and there, but who knows.
Two people saying “ya he was here.” Is not a rock solid alibi.
IKR 😭😭😭
It kinda is tho 💀
@@dhofandacidcilcool How tho u could js ask ur friends to say that
@@dhofandacidcilcool no the fuck it isn't.
Only 17? That's so sad. And some of them were just girls, still teenagers. I hope Cindy was able to get the help and support she needed after that.
Omg me too💔
Yes actually she did. I saw a show on this and it said she went back to the streets but not for hooking. She now helps other hookers get off the streets
@@jennharrison5579 That's amazing!
@@jennharrison5579 Do you remember the name of it? I would love to watch it.
@@kailamaree4402 it was a 20/20 episode but I can't remember the name of the episode.
The moral of the story is: never ever comply with anyone who asks you to lie to the police and be an alibi for them! You will not only protect yourself but could possibly save a current victim & future victims of serial killers.
If someone said they needed an alibi, I’d lie and say I would be one but when the time would come for me to make good on my promise, well, a promise and a law aren’t the same thing, I can make a promise, but unlike a law, I don’t need to hold true to it
As I recall he told them he was with prostitutes and thats why he needed the alabi. Alaska in the '80s was still wild and overwhelmingly male. Whats weird is how many serial killers were operating in the Pacific NW at the same time. So many ultra young prostitutes then too.
Moral of the story is actually to be more cautious with strangers. But we only learned that in 1st grade.
Absolutely! He could’ve saved lives if he didn’t lie for him.
I hope the alibis got hefty fines or jail sentences for lying to police. Its insane anyone would do that!
That was so intense. I have such hatred for that man. You did a great job describing a monster snd also showing compassion for his victims
Is`t just me that will make a blood eagle on this man. If he was still living. Northern style..
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@@shunsweeney9020 A
It's just hilarious to me in a way though, because people will be fascinated by these types of stories and they will easily see how real it is that evil people exist in our world - people who are psychologically evil predators.
But then their brains do some type of amazing short-circuiting thing when you attempt to explain to them that these types of people are the people who run the world.
They will sit there and deny it for hours, no matter how much research you have done and no matter how much evidence you give them to prove it.
Evil people exist. Period.
And they figured out (10s of thousands of years ago, if not longer) that if they all come together and work in unity to psychologically dominate and enslave the masses that they can become the "gods" of the earth.
The evidence is OVERWHELMING if you actually do your research.
But I can already see people trying to attack me for saying this now...
Lol the mind-control and programming is incredibly strong.
Wake up people.
You ARE slaves.
Your only hope is to pursue your freedom at all costs.
Educate yourselves and your friends and family. Do your research.
Knowledge and awareness is the first step.
@@ancientsoul5608 💯
My mother was an English professor in maximum security prisons in the ‘80s, and was Hansen’s teacher. She said he was always polite, but that she had to be locked in a room with him. This made her uncomfortable, in spite of her experience with other killers. It’s thought that, like a more recent AK serial killer, Israel Keyes, the Butcher Baker is responsible for murders in the lower 48. For me, the heartbreaking takeaway is the blatant disregard of sex workers, people as valuable as any others.
Do you know if the Ak serial killer and butcher baker is in Mr. Ballens list?
@@Near456 you just saw it. They called him the Butcher Baker because he owned a bakery, and took his victims out to the bush and hunted them. We have an unnerving number of serial killers up here. Another well known one would be Isreal Keyes
Agreed. It’s very sad. I can’t imagine the horrors prostitutes face on a daily basis. What a terrible life for someone to have. There is hope for anyone to turn it around though!
@@Near456 The Butcher Baker is this guy Hansen who is the main character of this episode.
Sex work is a risky lifestyle
Does anyone else completely forget that he hides something because they are completely captivated by his voice and the story?!? I know it’s not just me!!
If im not looking at his face i feel like i can't concentrate on the story 😅
I’ve never looked for the avatar. I’m always too engrossed in the story. So, it’s not just you Kimberly 😉
I usually can’t find them even after I have read where in the video it is. I’m hopeless. Maybe I’m just concentrating on the story. I don’t know.
@@WyattRyeSway
Same here, you’re not alone either.
Yeah, I use this like a podcast because his storytelling is so good that his voice alone is enough to visualize the whole thing. Even when I've watched because of there being a picture or video with the story, though, I'm too distracted by the story to find the secret.
Dang, Cindy's ability to immediately read that her life was in danger and see past the chains and being held captive literally saved her life. It kept her fighting to get away!
Yeah I don’t know how she figured that one out. Not sure if it was the fact she was abducted and chained in his basement or if maybe he said something that just didn’t sit right.
You kidding me?
@@Jp-mn1rq Cindy could be an avid crime novels reader or crime tv series fan or what not..
Cindy is extremely smart, if only the police weren’t so ignorant.. they would’ve discovered this case easy. Cindy helped, gave them enough evidence.. and they still didn’t bother just because his friends said he was there… should’ve been more suspicious when even the guy said himself they would say yes he was there with them.
@@tsuki-3699 IDK, smart people usually don't whore themselves out at age 17
@@Jp-mn1rq well he her a lot about him. Why would someone who raped you tell you about them and let you see their face if they intended on Letting you go
How could they not trust her, she literally described his house and plane etc.
She also refused a lie detector test and found no evidence about him being a serial killer
@@viciousbite8161 It's still weird to totally drop the case and see him as innocent, why would she run naked out of nowhere and describe everything in detail....
@@viciousbite8161 i can understand why she didn’t want to take the lie detector test, and having the police ask her to take the test showed they were having doubts, and honestly being traumatized like that and still being doubted i wouldn’t take the test either considering the lie detector isnt really accurate
@@arnljot9030 Bro she refused to take lie detector test, why would police believe her. Police did the right thing they checked on his house and found no evidence. what more could police have done??
@@mymelody4098 I think police did whatever they could! In underdeveloped countries Police wouldn't even take it seriously.
how did the profiler know he had a lisp? that dude is crazy good at his job
Not that hard to figure that out
Right?! Like how does someone begin coming up with that specific of a profile…
@@grapevine2506 how tf would he know, he didnt know who the guy was
So curious on this also. All the other parts make sense, but the fact he was able to look at the crimes and determine the guy had a lisp is crazy. Makes no sense how that information could be determined.
@@fr3akfr3ak71 i’m sure there’s got to be some kind of habits people with lisp’s have that other wouldn’t partake in, maybe it was just a really good guess based off of watching habits?
Everyone's a gangsta until the strange dark and mysterious is delivered in story format
Hagahah
this needs more likes
Out Generation is the best 😎😎😎
Hilarious
@@spaghettibong3606 no because its an old joke
Just knowing those men lied to save Robert without knowing what he did. Ultimately making the police completely distrust a survivor is maddeningly frustrating.
I feel like they know and do it too
@@ilovefans-x1myeah, a psycho like Robert probably offered them chances to assualt the women in his basement which is why they covered for him
Hunters club. Wouldn't surprise me if they took turns hunting
I'm with the other people here who have said they probably knew what he did and may have taken part in either the rapes and/or the murders. They should have been arrested and charged for providing false alibis.
It's why he straight up forgot where some of the victims were buried - they weren't his kills
Cindy is a hero, She came back to the scene of the crime as fast as possible to get that guy
Wow… 2 years I’ve been watching mr Ballen… I’ve watched all his vids, and now shorts, and he never ceases to teach me something more about the strange occurrences that happen in this world.
I feel like if anyone else told this story, I would be having nightmares for days. Mr. Ballen just has such a calm voice, it makes these terrible stories watchable. He is just such a good storyteller.
He's respectful about the victims. That's what makes the big difference and why he's so well received, too, I think.
i actually love being scared sometimes, i watch nexpo for that. hes literally the best at cinematic storytelling imho
Actually he is the only one who scares me sometimes 😅
probably because of his sealery, we can assume he has quite some emotional controll and stress-resistence. That enables him to keep his trademark calm while telling even the most horrific stories. also, as @Rose Madder said, that he speaks respectfully about the victims makes a big difference.
I had the worst dream last night. Was scared to go back to sleep. Been watching these stories for a few days.. I wonder if that could be one of the causes.
Anyone else find Mrballen and now watches every video that comes out as soon as you can?
Yes i do found him a couple days ago and have been binge watching his videos since
The best part about this channel is the fact that they don't try and clickbait. They really do just tell tales of real life events in a story format that, while the content is undoubtedly scary, paints the picture in a very realistic fashion. Keep up the good work, MrBallen. If you see this, you're awesome. If you don't, then the first compliment still stands.
#CrashBandicoot #90sKid #Playstation
@@ReligionAndMaterialismDebunked Unsure of if this is shade being thrown at me, but just to clarify, I am a 16 year old fan of Crash who does not own a Playstation.
This is exactly why so many rape victims don’t report it… they know there’s a large chance that nobody will believe them. 😢 This girl did everything she could (and did it well,) to catch this guy, but they believe his friends over a terrified half naked girl running for her life?! It’s disgusting how she was treated - my heart breaks for that girl 🥺
I know so many women who are survivors who were treated like this. It's genuinely disgusting and should be a criminal offense
@@dylancobalt7807 It absolutely should be! It’s bad enough women are raped to begin with, but to not be believed afterwards is inhumane.
It's even worse for men. We are supposed to be the stronger ones because, truthfully, we are built for it, so when abuse happens, people.
1. Say we enjoyed it
2. Deny it happened
Horrible how rape victims are ignored
When he gave the officers permission to look around why didn’t they check the basement
My guess is that they did but he maybe hid the chain?
Or there could've been like no blood what are they gonna do with no evidence other than a ceiling accessory
police just dosent care most of the time tbh, they probably did the bare minimum and left
@@eatmyshorts8406 you wasn’t there don’t really know if they check everything or not he probably hid thing serial killer are pretty good with that
They were probably his hunting buddies. "Nope nothing to see here." The other maps sitting in there dresser drawers.
I was thinking the exact same thing! Didn’t make any sense why they didn’t! Especially when that woman had said she was in his basement.
I can't imagine how terrifying it must have been for these poor women to be in this situation, stay safe everyone we live in a dangerous world
Ikr😔
Tbh for drug addicts and prostitutes and stripper are more likely to be victims of killings and they are most likely to not be attented to the police department because of there low social and living status
Honestly sickening
Us men just need to be more manly and have public beatings and stoning and death by torture for these type of scenarios. It would certantnly give those creeps something to think about instead of giving them "human" rights and bullshit. When I see this it makes my blood boil mannn if I could be in a room with these people for 1 minute I'd break every bone they have
@@danijeldragicevic5688 Ikr I agree with u
This is so infuriating because even though Cindy was traumatized and terrified after being assaulted and almost killed she still did everything she could to get the police to catch this guy and they even with all the evidence and support they just left it which resulted in the death of more women. Cindy is incredible brave and selfless for doing what she did and I hope she was able to recover from what happened.
rich people privilege. the police doesn't go after wealthy people unless they absolutely have to.
I learned that living in the same neighbourhood at the time that the Yorkshire ripper was killing women every couple of weeks. The police didn’t take any of it seriously, it was just sex workers. Until he started to kill ‘’ innocent women’’ there words not mine. as if somehow it was ok to kill some women but not the innocent ones. It’s amazing how women are ranked into innocent or deceiving of their fate because somehow they asked for it and the law not there for them. I hope time have changed.But I doubt it.
@@sam-psonsmith9951how do you know he was wealthy
@@DJKhaled69420 A: Because i watched a different video which went into more detail about this case.
and B: Because i actually used my earballs to listen to what was said in this video. which mentioned that in less detail.
@@sam-psonsmith9951 "How did you know he was wealthy" Oh gee I dunno his private airplane and hunting cabin and successful business owner didn't tip him off? lol
You are totally right too there are two justice systems in this country, one for the rich and one for the poor, it's insane what you can get away with if you have money. Sad too what happened to Cindy with the lie detector BS too when lie detectors are famously not admissible in court because they are pseudoscience nonsense that don't prove one way or another if someone is lying or not, they only prove someone is nervous.
Cindy perfectly described the man, the car driven, the inside of the house, ths hangar, and the plane. A securify guard even noticed suspicious activity of the same plane owner and got a locense plate number. Yet, that somehow wasn't enough to get a search warrant of his house.
It's a Alaska - Democrat sh*thole.
If this happened now that man would be arrested because obviously he's a suspect how else would she know his house
His “alibi” witnesses should be prosecuted for accessory to murder.
They didint know he killed someone. He probably told them them some innocent bs.
@@Hug0Pro yeah but ppl go to jail for accidents they didn't knew they where committing this shouldn't had been the exeption😞
@@Hug0Pro they still lied. it dosent matter if they knew or not, as far as i know lying to the police is a crime
@@eatmyshorts8406 sure. It’s a crime, but not accessory to murder.
@@eatmyshorts8406 lying to the police is a crime? HAHAHAHA the police are lying all the time
Cindy literally saved probably DOZENS of more lives by escaping the way she did! By Cindy reporting everything in detail to the police which then landed into an FBI Serial Killer Profiler’s hands, they stopped a prolific serial killer in his steps! Thank God for such a brave woman as Cindy!
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She also probably didn't save anyone, for all you know Cindy was going to be the last.
There is a movie about this, it's called the frozen ground, and the time i first watched it, i crapped. It's not a documentary type, it's about how the investigation went down, and it shows a bit on the perspective of Ted Bundy
@@ajshdhenskaka That's quite the assumption, to assume she would be last. Any evidence for this?
@@GeoffRosenstein exactly. he would’ve continued kidnapping and murdering more girls
I can't believe that those profilers can manage to deduce he had a lisp.... like what the fuck is wrong/right with those profilers!
Wait...this girl gave them detailed accounts of the hanger, the plane, the house and the guy that ALL checked out yet when this man’s FRIENDS gave him an alibi they figured it must be the girl that is mistaken somehow? Make that make sense.
I'm still trying to understand yet it still isn't adding up to me either, smh 🤦🏽♀️
@@raven6949 I mean, she refused the lie detector test and ran away, the guy had alibi so was innocent until proven guilty. Anyways from the police’s pov, the girl could’ve been on drugs or something too
@@raven6949 no. She must have had bruises from being hung on a chain & assaulted? They didn't even do a rape kit....
Right!! WTH!! Wonder how they feel now? Hopefully stepped up their game., but the loss of life for them to learn a lesson.. blood on their hands, hope they slept well
It’s called sexism, the police are more likely to believe the male than the female
This story has been made into a movie, I think it is called "Frozen Ground", it was absolutely compelling was on Netflix. When the guy finally blurts out at the end....is worth the watch.
One thing I’ve learned from watching this channel is keep your eye on the well-groomed dude who owns his own business, home, car, and seems like a pillar of the community. 9 times out of 10 he’s the guy with a body count.
In this instance it pays to be a loser.
Morgan Woodard the same thing black people hate cops do to them?
@@norcalbowhunter3264 they probably didn’t mean it’s literally 9 out of 10 people, but that’s just how it feels like 😅
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Creeps, abusers, users, and general psychopaths hide in society. They know how to blend in. Always trust what people do and say. If they seem off, it's probably because they are.
That's crazy how everything she said about his house, him and even the plane added up but they still questioned her
Guess they need more to go on before they waste the time demanding a search warrant.
Hear in some places its almost impossible to get without some absolute solid proof.
They didn't see these women as people.
I'm inclined to agree with Kimberly. Prostitutes, strippers, homeless people, etc. aren't people. They should be! But to many, they have to prove they're human enough to be worth the effort.
@@Heather-xm9ul
If you are poor or if you dont match what a woman is supposed to be then you arent worthy of life.
Men too, if homeless men were being killed, it might be a curiosity why but not a demand to know. Dragging their feet to solve murders of people that no one really cares about...monstrous.
@@KimberlyBishh agreed. You live exactly as they expect in the system, with the ability to offer incentives, or you will NEVER receive their best efforts.
I love how you tell this story, you get straight to the point. I hate when channels drag out topics longer than needed.
So true! That feeling when something that you are watching comes to an end and it suddenly hits you like, "wtf was that!? that was pointless and could have been done in 5 minutes!!!!
Best storyteller ever
They made a movie out of this. So sad that this happened but the movie makes you feel how they felt. Them poor girls. Very well done Mr. Ballen on telling this story. Your very good at telling great stories
They made a movie on this called “Frozen Ground”. They did an incredible job on it.
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Where could I watch it?
Yes! I thought i knew this story!
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It’s so hard to not support the death penalty when coming across cases like this. The unimaginable amount of horror those girls went though... I just couldn’t imagine. The only sense of justice would have to be delivered through the hands of another lifer.
@Azzir Amen my friend, real talk! These mofos needs to pay yo! That’d stop some sickos from doin what they has/have planned to do b/c honestly it makes u really think bout ur crimes! No one wants to be tortured/beaten to death, even sickos n psychopaths n murderers n rapists n serial killers wudnt a painful death like that? Real talk💯💯💯
I have an idea to reduce prison costs, Haneous violent crimes should be a death sentence, the way it’s carried out; Don’t feed them, first time they get sent to death row no food or water for them.
Blood Eagles or Scaphism for a lot of these sick bastards
@Azzir Democrats cry about the death penalty, but not for the unborn babies.
@@katsanddoggies9904 yeah, keyword “unborn”. we give a shit about organisms that have conscious thought and awareness of their existence, not an embryo that doesn’t know it’s an embryo.
The police went into this man's home and looked all over... Except in the basement, where the supposed chain was supposed to be hanging from the ceiling.
@Detective Dahlia The girl explained to a T what his house and he looked like along with the car. They never asked what type of gun he owned cause if they did it would have been pretty damning evidence along with the survivors statement. Plus they just believed the guys bestfriends who would lie with no questions asked if they were that good of friends and they just took their statements over the victims statement. The original officers sounded very lazy and doing the bare minimum. Luckily the Sheriffs office was not as lazy as the original officers snd continued to push this case.
he probably got rid of them, that's why he was so calm and cooperative
I’ve been listening to your podcast for a year and I’ve watched your videos for over 3 years. Thankyou
Cindys bravery making a run for it has saved many others lives
So the police wanted the teen to take a lie detector test but not Robert or his two friends who gave him an alibi!!?? Wut!??
Maybe they would have had him take one if she had and the results told the truth. But then even at that point they could have said no
yes like as if running scared, half naked, wearing a handcuff is her idea of fun. they don't believe her but would,rather believe his buddies who provided the fake alibi.
@wardenofmyheart it has nothing to do with women, authorities do this stuff to confirm the actual info frm their subject (victim) , if its true or not , if theyre telling the truth, then we can say theyll probably keep their eyes on person whos guilty. These are my thoughts, hope u understand.
@wardenofmyheart they should have asked everyone for a lie detector simultaneously or probed the men a bit harder, but there is no sign anyone else was killed, so they took their time and got their man. Case closed.
Also that era was when lie detector were less valid in court and surely a woman couldn't fool a lie detector
I keep thinking that ghosts, demons, crocs , sharks all these deadly stuff are the most scary stuff, however I forgot that humans really are the most terrifying
Humans are apex predators
Humans? Men?
You do have a point some people are just f****** the head
These humans are demons
My lady told me her mama said that all the time
I’m hooked on this channel right now, and it’s ironic how great of naps I’ve taken with the strange dark and mysterious playing in the background.
Fun fact: the guy who invented the lie detector test really regretted inventing it and repeatedly warned against its use as evidence in court. He said it’s not reliable or predictable.
She was right to decline to be subjected to it. And right to be offended especially when the guy at the airport and the guy who drove her confirmed her version.
Declining to be subjected to a lie detector doesn’t mean guilt, it’s known among the public the device is highly unreliable. If it gave her a false positive, she could have been arrested for false report on that alone.
So she was right to say no.
The police’s bias clouded their judgement. She is a sex worker.. he is a respected businessman.
They didn’t push past it once they got got the false alibi from the neighbors cuz police will always favor the higher class. It wasn’t till the profiler nailed him that they actually believed her story. Despite the overwhelming evidence.
Facts!
Exactly!
That's what kills me about this story. How did they want to give the VICTIM a lie detector test?? I was so mad the second he said that. It made no sense whatsoever. Asking the frightened teenager for evidence that she's not lying about a horrific ordeal?? I wouldn't trust them either.
Ok ok ok.. A. This was in the 70s -80s
B. If they checked the property and his friends said that they were hanging out so the police had no shame in asking for a lie detector test because they had no hard evidence at the time so don’t be too angry
Ok ok ok.. A. This was in the 70s -80s
B. If they checked the property and his friends said that they were hanging out so the police had no shame in asking for a lie detector test because they had no hard evidence at the time so don’t be too angry
Mr Ballen is the only guy who I’ll let tell me stories anymore
He could literally talk about going to kroger for a grocery’s and I’d listen
I listen to him and cam from dixie crypids.
I’m a fan of Mr Nightmare as well
@Sophia Frankland .
What makes me love these videos so much is that they are straight to the point, factual, and don't exaggerate it to make it seem worse. For some reason the fact MrBallen doesn't exaggerate these stories make them that much more terrifying. Plus the calm tone adds a lot to it
Y e s. I think that's why he got so popular so quick. Everyone, including myself, was tired of the typical story channels. Like- OMG GUYS THIS NEXT PART IS SUUPEr SUPer crazy omg press li k e noooww!!!11!!" kinda channels.
@@wildwyatxbox well the reason he got so popular so quick is because he has almost has 10 million followers on tiktok
I never thought of that. But mostly he’s an awesome narrator. Very well spoken and not stuffy or acting over educated, although you can tell he’s extremely intelligent. Just a cool dude that got his shit straight and can communicate all these fascinating stories.
Cindy is a fine example of why, even when the odds are not favorable, you must find it in yourself to set your mental and emotional resources to working on your own survival. In whatever form.
You may not even survive. But a small chance is better than no chance.
And Cindy used strategic compliance. She picked her moment to act well.
She possessed great presence of mind. Didn't waste time and even brought the police back to the airport.
Her choice to act saved not only herself but no doubt many others. And brought this monster into the light. A frustrating process.
But at least he wasn't allowed to slip away into the anonymity afforded by his wealth and social status.
That’s why you don’t give someone a false alibi, because you never really know anyone...
In almost every serial killer case you have people coming out after the killer is caught saying «He was so nice, he couldn’t possibly have done this».
I trust those people who gave false alibi's were prosecuted to the full extent of the law.
@@catinthehat906 I sure hope so... 🤞🏻
@@catinthehat906 I just tried to look it up, it doesn’t seem like John Henning was prosecuted for it because when he was told that that could be a consequence if he kept lying, he immediately told the truth..
I can’t find anything about John Sumrall, so I’m guessing they both got off.
@@ninachr Disgusting - those shitbags should have been made an example of, they protected a serial killer!
It's a good idea not to lie just on general principle.
Craziest part is lie detectors aren’t admissible as evidence in court, and refusing to take them is the recommended move any attorney will suggest
This is because if you lie in one of the test questions or clench your butt you can beat the detector so its not able to be used
A defense attorney will tell you no to. She wasn’t a suspect, her “attorney” was the state. Like you said it isn’t admissible and Police departments haven’t used polygraphs for evidence in decades. More than likely they were using it to see how she would react to taking one. So her refusing and leaving town didn’t help.
@@shane9515 Penn & Teller did an episode of _Bullshit!_ about that. Apparently beating a polygraph is really easy, anyone can do it if they understand how it works.
US law enforcement put way too much stock in polygraphs. This is a good example of someone who refused to take one even though she was almost certainly telling the truth. It shouldn't be viewed as suspicious but it basically is.
I didn't know that they weren't admissible. Why are they so often suggested, then?
Cindy is the real hero of this story. I hope she's ok. What a powerful girl.
Thank you,someone actually talking about the case for once
She surely was mentally hurt after seeing that police didn't believe her after all the torture she experienced. She truly lost the trust in humanity
@@gobo6175 was going to say the same thing. If you didn’t know or see my comment, Robert Hansen owned a popular bakery that a lot of people suspected they ate his victims. I was born and raised in anchorage Alaska and already knew about this.
@@Misssydney oh wow! That’s horrible! I remember reading a book along the same story line many years ago but never realized it was a true story. Those poor women 😞
@@Misssydney wow
The thing I love about ur stories and also ur country is the way research and investigations are being made on any case and also how you details ur stories
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Mr Ballen has to be the only youtuber with no haters... nothing but love and respect for this guy.. its awesome
Erbody love th Crafsman
There's only one thing that annoys me about this channel. Every time a new video arrives I go to read the description, then I remember I have to scroll all the way to the bottom to close the description and see the comments. It's a minor annoyance every single time lol.
@@floatpool8307 no
Check out “That Chapter” - also awesome.
@@floatpool8307 you know what I’m talking about!
It's scary to imagine how many killers out there currently blend in with the people around them and have zero suspicion against them.
And how many active serial killers there are at any given time yet never get found out until it's too late, if at all!
Yup and with how big the U.S is compared to other countries the ratio of potential killers is even bigger.
And why there are SOOO many in USA!
@@olderloverxx Because they can get away with it easier. It's not an anomaly in the human mind, it's not abnormal. The only thing keeping most people in line is their own self interest and values.
I just had to google the homicide rates for the uk 😟 I hadn’t given it much thought before now
My heart really goes out to these women in this video. It doesn’t matter that they were prostitutes or dancers or whatever. They were women. Their lives matter. And hopefully somehow Cindy will see that because of her testimony, many lives were saved and families got closure.
If it doesn't matter, why do you mention it? Same as they gender, and the commentary that their lives matter... of course they matter, same as any human life...and your barely represed prejudices rear their ugly heads everywhere, champ... one can just hope someday you "Wokers" realize how much damage you do with this kind of speech.
You do know people are idiot's yes? This person was just clarifying that it doesn't matter what your gender is and what you do for a living. Have you ever been on other apps besides youtube? Do you know how quick people are to judge someone with one small piece of information?
@@TheChzoronzon I mentioned it for several reasons. The first is that it stated here that the police and others tend to not even make an effort to find missing prostitutes, transgender, or simply person's of a different social group. Secondly, man y rapists and murderers pick these people because they know those cases don't get the same attention as other classes get. Many times no one even knows that they are missing. Just like the guy with the pig farm. He killed over 100 women in what others consider to be a low class person. He knew it would hardly be looked into. I've also heard police admit that they r less likely to believe women who are in what they call "a lower class of people". I have a daughter who is trans. And the treatment she has gotten just in her job alone is just ridiculous. I see the tears every night. I see the hurt and pain. People need to treat every e equally regardless. I know the hurt and pain of being abused by my birth parents, and in foster care and as an adult in an abusive marriage. And I know the pain of these things. I know how it aches. I've never been in this group of people, but I can only imagine what it's liken to be assaulted and have no one listen to them. To be accused of lying. To be told it didn't matter cuz they asked for it. Or some say oh they r on drugs so they deserve what they got. No one deserves to be violated...(I'll make the exception for child molesters, rapists, murderers.....Even animal abusers. But I also believe in our justice system and I believe in God and heaven and hell. Its not my place to be the judge, jury and executioner.
So have a little compassion and pull your head out of your back side. Be a human being.
@@Sd_Tk thanks for ur comment. Read the one I just answered. People never cease to amaze me.
@@guardiansanimalrescuestate7289 Nice textwall example of all the emotional cliches and assumptions at the core of the XXI century "Wokeness"
Male beggars suffer from exactly the same disdain from the authorities, and male drug addicts, and male low level prostitutes... it's called "classism" and has little to do with biological sex. But of course you have to insert gender in everything, it's the norm...
Then you say that rape is the worst thing ever... but ok for animal abusers (I bet you include in that category those evil pharmacologists that torture poor kitties in their labs for no reason at all... )
And then you end by impliying that if I don't agree with you, I'm not even human! haha classic!
Thanks for the pristine example of your twisted mental patterns, it's textbook level, to my "SWJ sickness" folder.
I can’t sleep without listening to Mr Ballen ,his voice has a calming effect on me. Love him❤️💋
Everyone gangster untill the strange, dark and mysterious delivered in story format pulls up.
this was a good comment ngl
Why does everyone comment this lolol
Why do people like these kinds of comments
@@Fritz828 because its funny and its an established joke format
It’s the ballen fan thing he kills these stories
I hope Cindy is doing okay and lives a happy Life now :( Brave, Smart woman!
She is married and has 3 kids, lives a normal live now.
@@inkbold8511 source?
@@rango9057 source : trust me bro
As an Alaskan, I am super satisfied by how often AK is mentioned in this channel. The great north is vicious sometimes.
Yeah the more stories told on this channel abt Alaska the less ppl would want to come up here and we don’t want more ppl up here
What? I wouldn’t be satisfied if these stories were from my home! Lol!
@Cody Rice It's unfortunate and a problem here. They often refer to it in TV shows as: It's Alaska, we're all running from something here.
Alaska has the highest serial killer rate per population of all the states 😳 I wouldnt be satisfied to have my state featured, id be terrified bc of how dangerous it is!
Yeah criminals love it. Because it’s such a big state and so remote, they can hide anywhere they want
In my early 20's I had a guy say he was a professional photographer and wanted me to meet him to take my picture. Good thing I was suspicious and thought he was a creep. It may not have ended up this bad but it's never worth the risk.
Same thing happened to me in my 20s, in WA. I had stopped for directions, and as I got back in my car a man in his 40's, roundish puffy face, thinning blonde hair, approached and said he was a photographer. He wanted me to go with him. I declined, said I'd take his card. He didn't have one, and tried to convince me several more times, that I also declined, until he walked away. I drove off, and kept looking to see if I was followed. Idk what kind of creeper he was, but no doubt he was lying.
@@Arakia that is so scary!
@@Arakia I hope other girls didn't fall for his lies...
Ballen could easily make tons more videos , but then quality gets lost. His life and things he needs to do would be impeded. His mental health may deteriorate. So I gladly say THANK YOU FOR THE 3-4 VIDEOS A WEEK 🙌🏽 I would be stoked even with 1-2! I don’t know how you manage to get these made in such great quality but I as well as many others appreciate it!!! You truly are more than we deserve! 💙
Thank you for being so understanding!!!
I couldn’t agree more with this! Thanks Mr B- (also a huge fan of Mr P)
His wife is a saint! I can’t imagine keeping three little kids occupied while he makes the awesome content for us!
Agree👍🏻❤️
I most def agree
As someone who studied psychology it makes me so angry that the justice system would care so much about lie detector tests.
Well judging by the story at that time after they had just finished talking to the serial killer and looked around his house everything would match the description cindy would give but like he said their was no evidence of an abuse in the house and the killer said he was with his friends the night before so they go to the friends interview them one by one and sadly their stories would consult with eachother, even though most of the police forces knew or suspected he was the killer they could not make an arrest without evidence, cindy may have been the evidence but the police cant trust her because the house didn't show any signs of her being abused their, and so they had to either run with what the serial killer had said or suspect that cindy is lying (which at that time seeed like the only answer even though they had reason to suspect this man was the serial killer they were looking for.)
What does that have to do with anything? They had an alibi, they did nothing wrong. Nobody cares what you study
So, tell me. The suspect has not one, but two people supporting his alibi. There is no physical evidence at the property. The victim is describing the house, car, and plane in detail (obviously she has been there). She could have been an ex-girlfriend or he could have been a John and she was trying to frame him. What did you expect the police to do? Obviously it didn't turn out that way, but the police can't just arrest people with no evidence at all.
@@pjpelefoti80 He literally had an entire day to make up a fake alibi. Do you know how easy it is to convince two friend to lie for you?
Yeah they're dumb lol
Nothing like starting the day with a MrBallen story😂
Or even ending the day in the UK!! 🇬🇧
@@HopelessSinner I can’t watch things at night I just get so freaked out😂😂
Noice im ending my day with this right now lol
Ye bruv
Actually true. Lmao.
Wow that profiler was a pro. How do they do that, though? Also, glad Cindy made it out
it’s so sad that they asked cindy to take the lie detector test instead of asking him.
It is beyond sad.
Amen. They already had a known predator on adult workers, yet they're going to disregard her. Shameful.
Typical police officer is under intelligent nypd had a district court case for not hiring a guy who scored too high they admitted to it but were found by the court of course that this was ok.
@mike scott This wasnt just a simple r@pe case, she was literally kidnapped. Her story describing his house was enough for the cops to actually consider a polygraph test for him. and compared to the percentage of r@pes that are true, the percentage of ppl who lie are extremely small. Ur so sad smh.
Yup! Very messed up.
I can’t even imagine how terrified the women felt being chased by him in the woods blindfolded...
I dont think she was blindfolded bc she wouldn't be able to see if he was still following her
@@Gio-zf1yj There we multiple women, so some may have been blindfolded, and some not.
my dad got his beard cut by robert in prison bc he was like the only barber and afterwards his friends were telling my dad “do you know who u just let cut ur beard so close to your neck?” and my dad was like “no why” bc my dad didn’t know about him bc my dad was still pretty young and robert was already so old that his story hadn’t been on the news in so long so then after that they told my dad “that’s the guy that would hunt the ladies in the woods and stuff” then my dad never went to get his beard cut again by him lol
@@nina-it9kq Bruh
@@nina-it9kq that was the most blatant badly put together lie I’ve ever heard lmfao
This is like “The Most Dangerous Game” short story! But is very horrible that people do this
Yooo we read that story for school like 2 weeks ago
Yeah pretty much exactly the same. The only difference was Rainsford had a fighting chance. These poor women did not, may they Rest In Peace.
@@ronaldreagan7551 yes, have u watched the short film of the most dangerous game
@@oze_ra2511 no I didn’t know there was one!
@@oze_ra2511 I just read it in college.
I saw this story a long time ago but you described it with way more information and details, I'm so glad I came upon your Channel. Instant Sub!
R.I.P to all the victims 🙏🙏🙏
My ex was in prison with Hanson until he (Hanson) died. He said he was a scared little weasel in prison....afraid of everyone. Poetic justice.
Is he still alive yourex? An did your ex talk to him ?
God bless thanks for your time
What year ? just curious 🤔 that's crazy he killed bunch of women an he was like that in prison.. that's crazy
How did he die?
DANYEL thanks for sharing this.
@@juancarlosrodriguez6738 Well, actually I don't think it's strange at all. He already had a speech impediment and was determined to be well liked in a community with straight laced normal law abiding citizens. I mean, he owned a bakery. That's a pretty likeable job in the eyes of a nice little community. His speech impediment most likely left him craving the feeling of fitting in & was probably bullied in school. I think it may have stopped him from getting many dates or he was too shy? His true behavior could (likely) stems from childhood. I would love to know more about how he grew up. Anyways, he picked girls who were "vulnerable" as he told police. The girls who he saw as very needy, lonely and were likely not to be missed too much considering the industry they were in. That to me has coward written all over it. He made dang sure that he had all the power over already powerless girls (in so many ways). The ages tell a story. He picked teens. They aren't as street smart as they haven't really lived long enough to gain experience with the really horrible things in life, I mean they likely fled their homes from really bad situations which left them very vulnerable & not much time to gain a solid footing in life. Running from one horrible thing to another. Teens and early 20s are still naive to a degree regardless of what they've been through. Not only that but their critical thinking skills are not quite developed fully yet making it just one more vulnerability playing in his favor. This guy was a coward through and through. Definitely not an Alpha & in prison the Alphas can smell a beta a mile away. I hope he got all sorts of nasty things happen in jail. He felt like that because he was like that, a coward.
Ive been a stripper for years..stories like this always scared the shit out of me and are the reason why I never saw anyone outside of work. Not even for dinner, not even for alot of money, no matter how nice the guy seemed. Im too paranoid.
@Elbow Drop Gaming why what?
Its not their fault
Whats your ig thooo haha
@@shannsimms9072 lap dance at my house ? Wasgoody
I haven’t watched this video, but I think it’s good to say that you (and all people) are loved very much by God. I imagine that’s not a nice job, certainly unfulfilling; I don’t think people convert based on TH-cam comments, but it can be good to hear and think on.
Thanks be to God!