I absolutely love the contrast between Calliope summoning the Fates vs Morpheus summoning them. It's total polar opposites and actually helps the audience understand how the Fates act towards family & business. The Fates even answers all her questions without caveat & it's a really nice detail.
It’s the same 3-in-1 but not really the same goddesses. She/They come in the form of the Elder Muses, not the Hecate that appeared to Dream, so the rules are different. Divine parents are able to intercede on behalf of their offspring, usually. Myths are full of this. It’s not stated here, only hinted at. Their names were Meditation, Remembrance, and Song. Edit: woops, apparently their names are *Practice*, Memory, and Song, not meditation
@@SethRGrayThe rules may be different on the earthly plane the dream state but in the galactic courts the TEN COMMANDMENTS are the constant. Mans laws are corrupted man is inherently wicked the TEN COMMANDMENTS keeps you on the narrow path to the promised land the wide path leads to the rather. Everyone has a soul contract with the devil and God they must be honored.
@@wfgames2446 Oh this is actually Kassandra's voice actress? This explains why I felt like she was so familiar. Cool to know that she's really Greek too!
Her name is Melissanthi Mahut and she is a Canadian and Greek actress. She is known for her role as Kassandra in Assassin's Creed Odyssey, and also for playing Mita Xenakis in the Netflix film Eurovision Song Contest: The Story of Fire Saga.
Just like the "The Neverending Story" novel, Sandman has an abundance of side characters and engaging threads. In part, it is the very fact that the story is non exhaustive that makes it great!
@@iPlayDotaReligiouslyit’s sort of like the Canterbury tales where a collection of different stories are all told in the honor of lord Morpheus, in fact theirs a penultimate arc in the comics call the worlds end where a bunch of strangers meet at a tavern recounting their tales of meeting the sandman
I like how even here, you can notice differences in their behaviors and personalities. Mother actually tries to sympathize with Calliope, Crone is as snide and snappy as she was with Dream (though to be fair, she's not as angry here), and Maiden is the one explaining the facts of the situation
Melissanthi Mahut did a wonderful job as Calliope. I wish she gets the oportunity to portray her again. It would propably be in Season 3, but a man can dream about a full Sandman series up to The Wake.
Please Netflix renew The Sandman for a second season + The show is so freaking good + The acting , writing and cinematography is really good in the show 👏👏👏
@@eladhmarie His treatment of Orpheus was cruel, but ending his son's immortality was the kindest thing he ever did for him. Even if it did sealed his fate with the Kindly Ones.
Calliope. The first Sandman comic I read. With the Kelly Jones artwork. And the audible episode of Orpheus being torn apart by the sisters of frenzy was creepy. The chanting as they approach him was haunting.
"Melete, Mneme, Aoide, attend my supplication. . . . I implore you, Ladies, deliver me from this place and time. To whom can I speak in my grief? I who am laden with wretchedness. Ladies of meditation, remembrance, and song . . ." --Sandman Vol. 3, Dream Country
The Fates showing up here is my favorite interpretation. The light, warmth and life they bring when they first show up is absolutely stunning. Perfection
To be honest “gods” being a term given to immortals with powers that demand worship and praise for power they didn’t actually earn but were born with For instance lusifer or satan says to call yourself a god is low of a being to do Given the fact the one actually God actually being all powerful knowing and prescient by definition perfect thus to call yourself a god with the knowledge of the actual God is like saying you are the adult with all the authority and strength when in reality your just a child by comparison having a delusion you are better because you have power lusifer the second most powerful being in creation outright says if I can’t be God what makes you think you are beneath me If the devil actually is disgusted and looks down upon the idea you claim to be the alpha and omega of anything you know your pathetic The endless are actually govered by Father Time and night both entities that were created by the creator and are equivalent to angels in a way So the endless are more or less the same nature as lusifer just not with the term angels as they are given functions based on the design of the creator Basically the Greek gods, Roman Nordic, or any so call god in myth within Dc is just a big shot praying on mortals in order to feel strong when in the grand scheme they aren’t all that powerful Even in marvel it’s almost treated the same way in all the comics What I think sums everything up about the so called gods is how they are presented in in Thor love and thunder As in they are all big shots who are born live and die like mortals they just are immortal and have great power praying on those who have non It’s equivalent to being the bully in a school thinking your better only because you were born stronger or smarter and demanding to be called king of the school when your not the principal let alone a teacher As the saying goes it’s a poor thing for one man to inslave another Even greater for one to dictate dominance based on what they have but didn’t earn through force or fear of power others have over others Making anyone worship you to make yourself feel better is pathetic yet every self proclaimed god outside the capital G God is guilty of this The endless are a bit of the exception As they are more equivalent to say the valar in lord of the rings As in they technically can fit the criteria of being a little g under the big G Only they don’t call themselves gods nor demand worship They simply want good will towards all and treat morals as equals as people even though they are the embodiments of the thoughts of God Such humbleness is what demands respect the concept of having great power yet using is responsibility and using it for reasons that are just not asking for anything other then everyone’s well being They are more worthy of worship than any self proclaimed deity
@@ATalesTruth-They ARE gods, a summation of the beliefs and dreams of mankind. Lucifer CANNOT be a “god” because he was not born from the belief and dreams but from the presence itself. His power doesn’t fall even if people don’t believe in him as his fate is not tied to the dreaming. All gods are born from the dreaming and when their purpose is done they return back into the dreaming as what use is dreams without the dreamer? The presence is the only true GOD with capital G.
@@zawwin1846 well my point is “gods” aren’t actually God by definition if you have a flaw or limit your by definition not god Let me address my beliefs I am not religious, and I require no hypothesis but I do believe something is beyond us and possibly fits the definition of God but it’s unknown To say Gid does or doesn’t exist is just as fruitless as us asking if 10,000 years ago if space exists We don’t know until we fully understand everything possible which won’t happen till the end of our species if it survives to the hypothetical end of the universe Now into the topic when ever someone says they are gods what they really mean is very powerful near immoral level beings that came in via a higher plane of existence but are no different from mortals, They are born they live they die And even beings that came into existence but where born per say aka created like Lucifer It’s one of those instances where even if you are given great power that doesn’t mean you make the rules or have authority to rule anyone or anything It’s better to be an angel or demon then a pretend God Because your claiming to be top dog But by extension your only inviting others to prove you are not And as the saying goes If you can make God bleed against Gods will everyone will Cease to believe As God can do everything and anything nothing is impossible If God bleeds it’s because God chooses to if God wants anything even in paradoxes it will happen he can and can’t lift the rock Both happen and will happen but only because that’s what God wants Not because someone has power over God or God lacks the power If God can bleed beyond his power then it’s not God If God can’t do everything then it’s not God It’s the challenge of absolute power Unless you are absolute no one should treat you as the asbsolute Which is why I think any so called god is a fool because they are just powerful near immoral beings yet act as if they are responsible for everything and should be worshiped regardless of how or why they came into being and what they should or shouldn’t do If God is perfect it can’t be imperfect In fact God should be able to make things of imperfection to make them perfect on their own Aka nothing is truly bad unless it ruins what could be perfect
@@ATalesTruth- You are running around in circles chasing your own tail. I don’t blame you as most Christians throughout history also face this dilemma when they talk about the “true god”. It’s only the Christian God with omnipotent, omnipresent, and omniscient god that cannot logically be reasoned. Even the presence cannot be considered the big G as he is fallible as seen in the comics. The question itself is fundamentally flawed. I would say your view of “god” is highly narrow and illogical as the you state if if they are imperfect they cannot be considered gods. You use a narrow definition of god as THE definition of god which is not true. Even within DC if we follow your strictest definition there are no gods therefore no one should be calling themselves god. Throughout most of human history and across cultures gods are just manifestations of nature or reality. Japanese Gods or Kami, African Gods, Greek Gods, etc.
The background music during this scene is phenomenal, along with the one when Morpheus summoned the Fates. I cannot find them anywhere. They're not in the original soundtracks.
I believe the background music playing here is the song 1917 by Thomas Newman.. It seems to be looped here, but I'm almost 99% sure that it is in fact the same song.
Calliope was one of the 9 Muses born to Zeus, King of Olympus, and Mnemosyne, Titaness of Memory the job of the Muses was to provide inspiration to mortal writers I believe Calliope specialized in inspiring epics
I am right there with you. Also I WANT to know why in the heck Calliope could not invoke Apollo to come and rescue her? One of his divine jobs was working with and delegating with the muses directly he therefore would have been able to come to her aid, unless it had to do with destiny, because he was the first official god of foresight which means he has access and can see destiny which is why I think he could not come to her. Which they have mentioned on the show Destiny but we have yet to see destiny come on the show and allow us to see there side of their job. As an art historian I am like why could Apollo not come get her or Zeus he is her dad?" I will be honest it was more of a story with dream coming to her rescue and more romantic but the classical studies minor in me is like "uh why did she not invoke Apollo?" all of my academic studies are like this does not make sense. Unless in marrying Dream, Apollo gave Calliope to Dream in terms of claim due to greek custom. Because usually in greek culture women married and child reared, only the oracles were allowed to have a title and a place outside of marriage but still that was for life. Unless they were priestess, but that depended on the god/ goddess that was being pledged to in question because of vows of chastity and what not depends on the god or goddesses follows and what they followed in that area. Still though she is a goddess and she would still have had to answer to Apollo because she was preforming her duty when she was caught which falls back to Apollo. Personally I want answer on this because it feels like a never ending revolving door of going back to Apollo and Destiny.
@@TheArtisanTarotTBMoon Too many bad Doctors in the world recently, not being properly punished, would be my guess. Every violation of the Hippocratic oath is a direct offense against Apollo. This could both weaken him and fill him with such disgust for the mortal world as to not even want to bother.
I love the details of the invocation that associates the Three Fates with the Three Original Muses: "Ladies of MEDITATION, REMEMBRANCE and SONG" - Melete (meditation), Mneme (remembrance) and Aoede (song). Hekate, Moirai, Parcas, Horae, Muses, Erinyes (or Furies), all are triple figures representing different facets of the same entity.
I have a question, though I know this comment is old. Is Hekate truly tied to the fates? You speak of her as if she's all of them. I'm asking because of a dream I had once.. Reply if you can 😊
The Fates are the daughters of Zeus, from his second marriage. His first marriage was to Métis (mother of Athena), his second to Themis, his third and current wife is yours truly 😌 Bow your Your Queen
I like that, despite being enslaved, used and abused for decades by foolish mortals, Calliope keep a kind of an aristocratic attitude and dignity(albeit, a bit arrogant). She still knows who she is and what she is, no matter what.
in the original myths, Orpheus is a demigod (some versions say he is descendant of Apollo, other versions say he is the son of one of the Muses and a mortal king) either way, he received music lessons from Apollo and learned to play the lyre most beautifully Orpheus traveled with the Argonauts and used his musical talents to charm the dragon guarding the Golden Fleece allowing Jason to get it, Orpheus also used his singing voice to drown out the song of the sirens to ensure that the Argonauts would have a safe voyage by sea Orpheus then fell in love with a woman named Eurydice, they were married, but she died prematurely, leaving him devastated, he traveled to the Underworld and appealed to Hades with a song, Hades allowed him to lead Eurydice out, but warned him that if he turned around to look at her before they were out of the Underworld, she would be lost to him forever unfortunately, Orpheus could not resist temptation and looked back, causing Eurydice to permanently disappear Orpheus ultimately died at the hands of a group of violent and drunk nymphs, but his lyre was salvaged and transformed into the constellation Lyra
I think these technically aren't the Fates even though they are portrayed by the same actresses. They are the Elder Muses who came before the Olympian Muses (Calliope and her sisters).
The three graces, the three fates, the Hecateae, the three old muses, the three wives of Adam, the three furies, and all the other triplex female entities are different aspects of the same entity. The three muses are the Fates, but in a different aspect. So, yes and no. But Yes, I agree with you it would make more sense to call them the muses, because that is the aspect they are now.
Orpheus committed suicide after he failed to bring his wife, Eurydice back. He played discordant music on his lyre which made the women to attack him and tear him apart.
Am I the only one who see a similarity between the prayer at the start and Kassandra’s dying praying after she hand the staff of Hermes to Leyla in Assassins Creeds odyssey?
I hate to break it to you but sandman had low chance getting new season soon the director said it himself unless Netflix provide the huge budget for the film
i always hated how humans could get the best of such high and mighty beings. If these being were real i doubt they would be captured from the likes of humans.
Watch the episode, or at least pay attention to this clip There’s a ritual artists can use to snare a muse for themselves and bind that muse so she can’t leave on her own A novelist bound Calliope with that ritual and then gave her to Richard as a gift. Unless Richard sets her free, she’s stuck by magical law
Yes, nice catch. She was praying to her actual mother and 'Remembrance' was the key word. A revelation that the titan Mnemosyne is just another aspect of the triple goddess.
@@ridhoirvan1070 I'm sorry, my bad! I did a re-read. Wherever did I get Mnemosyne. In the comics, Calliope explicitly prays to *a trio* of older goddesses - Melete, Mneme and Aiode (Aoede). As for different characteristics, it's implied in the comics and the show that whatever triple feminine goddess there is, whatever their nature, it's always these three.
@@ridhoirvan1070 Each of the Aspects (shapes, forms, avatars) of the Three In One are given specific roles, spheres of influence, and powers. They're all variations of the same base entity, a goddess with divided forms, but they exist in different capacities. For instance, if she had invoked the Furies, the Three Ladies of Vengeance and Judgement, they'd have power to punish those who had done her harm in the aftermath of her being freed. If she had invoked Hecate, the Triple-Faced Goddess, The Mother of Witches, Keeper of the Keys, Goddess of Witchcraft, Necromancy and Wealth, then perhaps in that capacity they could have rewritten the Laws and undone her metaphysical bindings. But the Aspect they are summoned in dictates the capacity they are empowered with, same as when one is called into a school as a parent versus when they are called in as a teacher, or when a manager is called into work as a manager versus showing up off the clock. In this instance, she summoned them as the Three Muses- Melete, Mneme, Aoide. Meditation, Remembrance and Song.
Not necessarily. The Gods came before Man, but Man was made in their image, a reflection of who they are. Mankind often cares only for itself, dooming others and hurting people just for their own benefit. Likewise, the Gods only help those who have something to offer to them as tribute, or when they stand to gain from it in some ethereal capacity. To say otherwise would be hypocritical. We only go into work because it pays us what we need to survive. We only do things for others because we stand to gain from it emotionally, physically or financially. As for how that applies here, they didn't choose not to help her, they simply couldn't. In the Sandman universe, as in reality, magic has laws that were written into existence by the Gods themselves to ensure balance and order. Those who could wield magic and the powers therein had to be balanced by the laws around them. Gods like the Muses for instance could be summoned or bound to force their powers into play by higher gods (the Olympians for instance) or by powerful mortals (as in their time, only kings, scholars and mages had knowledge of how to do so, and were thus worthy of it). The rules by which she and Morpheus were bound essentially stated that should a being of sufficient will bind their physical avatars to the physical plane by rite, virtue or invocation, they had to submit to it and could not release themselves without the permission of their binder. Certain objects are required for this to occur- such as the Muse's scroll, which held the invocation required to bind her, as ordered by the cosmos. For Morpheus, it was an angel's feather and a cage of glass, to contain the dimensional power he possessed.
I am so confused!!! This was not in the first season similar to the storyline in the graphic novel, it picks up after where the first season ended. So when did they shoot this and where is it in the show?
If you check netflix again it was added as a long episode after the others. Iirc the first part of the episode is an animation of a cat's story & the second part is this calliope story. (Basically its a long bonus episode!) It was released maybe a week or 2 after the rest.
Yeah, some mothers they are. 😒 Goes to show many gods and some magical beings are not meant to be parents. they prioritise more on their positions and rules, rather than their own children. I gotta ask, why bother having offspring to begin with?. Even Dream is not an exception.
@@GuilhermeHenriqueInYellow Aiode (song), Mneme (memory) and Melete (meditation) are the names of the three Titan Muses. Mneme could be seen as another version of Mnemosyne. Keep in mind that Greek Myth isn't set in stone, there are multiple version of parentages and genealogies, and the names and attributes of the Muses differed from city-state to city-state. For instance, Mimnermos claims the Muses are children of Gaia, Mother Earth (as the Titaness Mnemosyne was). Eumelus calls them daughters of Apollo.
@@Sesharon I'm not trying to claim anything about mythology, I'm just trying to explain how it might work inside The Sandman's FICCTIONAL UNIVERSE. Try to be less pretentious next time, before trying to give someone a mythology lesson.
Yes. They are the fates, and the three graces, and the three old muses, and the three furies, and each other triplex female entity that there is, just in different aspects.
Does this mean we'll see orpheus in season 2 if there is a season 2? Think we'll get Rege-Jean Page to reprise the role after he voiced him (speaking and singing) in the audiobook, or that they'll get another actor to play him? Think they'll find someone Greek this time, like with Calliope
The Hecate will help again to Lord Morpheus for his good deeds towards Calliope in this story, im sure. A favor for taking care someone who is family to them.
Erasmus Fry bound her by moly and sacred law, brought her to England as his prize, and then later gifted her to Richard Madoc in recompense for the trichinobezoar.
Because zeus don´t have much power today because like in American Gods(ALSO BY Neil Gaiman) the gods depends of the numbers of cult or religion followers by increase powers.
I absolutely love the contrast between Calliope summoning the Fates vs Morpheus summoning them. It's total polar opposites and actually helps the audience understand how the Fates act towards family & business. The Fates even answers all her questions without caveat & it's a really nice detail.
They are not there as the Fates but she calls them by the names of some of the Elder Muses. They have many faces.
It’s the same 3-in-1 but not really the same goddesses. She/They come in the form of the Elder Muses, not the Hecate that appeared to Dream, so the rules are different. Divine parents are able to intercede on behalf of their offspring, usually. Myths are full of this. It’s not stated here, only hinted at. Their names were Meditation, Remembrance, and Song. Edit: woops, apparently their names are *Practice*, Memory, and Song, not meditation
oof, imagine when they show up as the Furies or the Kindly Ones later when they make more Sandman series.
@@SethRGrayThe rules may be different on the earthly plane the dream state but in the galactic courts the TEN COMMANDMENTS are the constant. Mans laws are corrupted man is inherently wicked the TEN COMMANDMENTS keeps you on the narrow path to the promised land the wide path leads to the rather. Everyone has a soul contract with the devil and God they must be honored.
Those ladies are his ex-MILs
Casting a Greek actress as Calliope was genius. It adds a lot to the immersion & the quality of a mythical depiction.
It really does. Her accent is so beautiful. She truly makes you believe she’s a Muse.
@XGlut DC She also plays Kassandra in AC Odyssey, and says it's her first big major voice-acting role in games..
@@wfgames2446 Oh this is actually Kassandra's voice actress? This explains why I felt like she was so familiar. Cool to know that she's really Greek too!
Kassandra. Malakas!
Her name is Melissanthi Mahut and she is a Canadian and Greek actress. She is known for her role as Kassandra in Assassin's Creed Odyssey, and also for playing Mita Xenakis in the Netflix film Eurovision Song Contest: The Story of Fire Saga.
This is so spin-off worthy that it hurts. So many stories to be told out of The Sandman.
The Sandman is anthology of stories
Just like the "The Neverending Story" novel, Sandman has an abundance of side characters and engaging threads.
In part, it is the very fact that the story is non exhaustive that makes it great!
@@iPlayDotaReligiouslyit’s sort of like the Canterbury tales where a collection of different stories are all told in the honor of lord Morpheus, in fact theirs a penultimate arc in the comics call the worlds end where a bunch of strangers meet at a tavern recounting their tales of meeting the sandman
Unfortunately Neil Gaiman has been cancelled. So that won't be happening.
I like how even here, you can notice differences in their behaviors and personalities. Mother actually tries to sympathize with Calliope, Crone is as snide and snappy as she was with Dream (though to be fair, she's not as angry here), and Maiden is the one explaining the facts of the situation
I had goosebumps when Orpheus was mentioned. “The Song Of Orpheus” was the only time I actually wept while reading a graphic novel.
I can’t believe. It they created Orpheus ???
Melissanthi Mahut did a wonderful job as Calliope. I wish she gets the oportunity to portray her again. It would propably be in Season 3, but a man can dream about a full Sandman series up to The Wake.
Please Netflix renew The Sandman for a second season + The show is so freaking good + The acting , writing and cinematography is really good in the show 👏👏👏
Done.
More screentime Calliope and Morpheus please on how they met and how it ended😅😍
It's pretty tragic in the comics
@@stahppls2293 Dream's life and relationships are so tragic it hurts
@@YurimoHikashi Probably the way he likes them, frankly. Dream's got a bit of the emo in him.
@@stahppls2293 well dream son died because of him.
@@eladhmarie
His treatment of Orpheus was cruel, but ending his son's immortality was the kindest thing he ever did for him. Even if it did sealed his fate with the Kindly Ones.
Calliope. The first Sandman comic I read. With the Kelly Jones artwork. And the audible episode of Orpheus being torn apart by the sisters of frenzy was creepy. The chanting as they approach him was haunting.
Calliope voice is so tempting 😍😍😍😍 i can rewatch this scene all day and to meditation as well. Her voice is so smooth and calm for me.
"Melete, Mneme, Aoide, attend my supplication. . . . I implore you, Ladies, deliver me from this place and time. To whom can I speak in my grief? I who am laden with wretchedness. Ladies of meditation, remembrance, and song . . ."
--Sandman Vol. 3, Dream Country
Melissanthi using a bit of Kassandra in Calliope's voice has me in my feels 🥺🥺🥺
Season 2, pleaseeeee!!!🖤🖤🖤
The Fates showing up here is my favorite interpretation. The light, warmth and life they bring when they first show up is absolutely stunning. Perfection
Imagine how bad it has to be when _Gods_ pray for an end to their suffering.
To be honest “gods” being a term given to immortals with powers that demand worship and praise for power they didn’t actually earn but were born with
For instance lusifer or satan says to call yourself a god is low of a being to do
Given the fact the one actually God actually being all powerful knowing and prescient by definition perfect thus to call yourself a god with the knowledge of the actual God is like saying you are the adult with all the authority and strength when in reality your just a child by comparison having a delusion you are better because you have power
lusifer the second most powerful being in creation outright says if I can’t be God what makes you think you are beneath me
If the devil actually is disgusted and looks down upon the idea you claim to be the alpha and omega of anything you know your pathetic
The endless are actually govered by Father Time and night both entities that were created by the creator and are equivalent to angels in a way
So the endless are more or less the same nature as lusifer just not with the term angels as they are given functions based on the design of the creator
Basically the Greek gods, Roman Nordic, or any so call god in myth within Dc is just a big shot praying on mortals in order to feel strong when in the grand scheme they aren’t all that powerful
Even in marvel it’s almost treated the same way in all the comics
What I think sums everything up about the so called gods is how they are presented in in Thor love and thunder
As in they are all big shots who are born live and die like mortals they just are immortal and have great power praying on those who have non
It’s equivalent to being the bully in a school thinking your better only because you were born stronger or smarter and demanding to be called king of the school when your not the principal let alone a teacher
As the saying goes it’s a poor thing for one man to inslave another
Even greater for one to dictate dominance based on what they have but didn’t earn through force or fear of power others have over others
Making anyone worship you to make yourself feel better is pathetic yet every self proclaimed god outside the capital G God is guilty of this
The endless are a bit of the exception
As they are more equivalent to say the valar in lord of the rings
As in they technically can fit the criteria of being a little g under the big G
Only they don’t call themselves gods nor demand worship
They simply want good will towards all and treat morals as equals as people even though they are the embodiments of the thoughts of God
Such humbleness is what demands respect the concept of having great power yet using is responsibility and using it for reasons that are just not asking for anything other then everyone’s well being
They are more worthy of worship than any self proclaimed deity
@@ATalesTruth-They ARE gods, a summation of the beliefs and dreams of mankind. Lucifer CANNOT be a “god” because he was not born from the belief and dreams but from the presence itself. His power doesn’t fall even if people don’t believe in him as his fate is not tied to the dreaming.
All gods are born from the dreaming and when their purpose is done they return back into the dreaming as what use is dreams without the dreamer? The presence is the only true GOD with capital G.
@@zawwin1846 well my point is “gods” aren’t actually God by definition if you have a flaw or limit your by definition not god
Let me address my beliefs
I am not religious, and I require no hypothesis but I do believe something is beyond us and possibly fits the definition of God but it’s unknown
To say Gid does or doesn’t exist is just as fruitless as us asking if 10,000 years ago if space exists
We don’t know until we fully understand everything possible which won’t happen till the end of our species if it survives to the hypothetical end of the universe
Now into the topic
when ever someone says they are gods what they really mean is very powerful near immoral level beings that came in via a higher plane of existence but are no different from mortals,
They are born they live they die
And even beings that came into existence but where born per say aka created like Lucifer
It’s one of those instances where even if you are given great power that doesn’t mean you make the rules or have authority to rule anyone or anything
It’s better to be an angel or demon then a pretend God
Because your claiming to be top dog
But by extension your only inviting others to prove you are not
And as the saying goes
If you can make God bleed against Gods will everyone will
Cease to believe
As God can do everything and anything nothing is impossible
If God bleeds it’s because God chooses to if God wants anything even in paradoxes it will happen he can and can’t lift the rock
Both happen and will happen but only because that’s what God wants
Not because someone has power over God or God lacks the power
If God can bleed beyond his power then it’s not God
If God can’t do everything then it’s not God
It’s the challenge of absolute power
Unless you are absolute no one should treat you as the asbsolute
Which is why I think any so called god is a fool because they are just powerful near immoral beings yet act as if they are responsible for everything and should be worshiped regardless of how or why they came into being and what they should or shouldn’t do
If God is perfect it can’t be imperfect
In fact God should be able to make things of imperfection to make them perfect on their own
Aka nothing is truly bad unless it ruins what could be perfect
@@ATalesTruth- You are running around in circles chasing your own tail. I don’t blame you as most Christians throughout history also face this dilemma when they talk about the “true god”. It’s only the Christian God with omnipotent, omnipresent, and omniscient god that cannot logically be reasoned. Even the presence cannot be considered the big G as he is fallible as seen in the comics. The question itself is fundamentally flawed.
I would say your view of “god” is highly narrow and illogical as the you state if if they are imperfect they cannot be considered gods. You use a narrow definition of god as THE definition of god which is not true. Even within DC if we follow your strictest definition there are no gods therefore no one should be calling themselves god.
Throughout most of human history and across cultures gods are just manifestations of nature or reality. Japanese Gods or Kami, African Gods, Greek Gods, etc.
The background music during this scene is phenomenal, along with the one when Morpheus summoned the Fates. I cannot find them anywhere. They're not in the original soundtracks.
I believe the background music playing here is the song 1917 by Thomas Newman.. It seems to be looped here, but I'm almost 99% sure that it is in fact the same song.
Perfect perfect scene . Better Episode
Ooh give us more bonus episode 💛
0:27 Kalliope's name means 'beautiful voice' in Greek
Calliope was one of the 9 Muses born to Zeus, King of Olympus, and Mnemosyne, Titaness of Memory
the job of the Muses was to provide inspiration to mortal writers
I believe Calliope specialized in inspiring epics
Love, love, love this series....please renew this wonderful series....it is one of the best to çome out of Netflix!
Renewed in october 2022.Even have images of the filming of season 2 since june 2023.
Very excited for S2 and maybe to see Orpheus story.
Netflix, I'm begging you. Renew The Sandman for a Season 2 and more if it can be.
I am right there with you. Also I WANT to know why in the heck Calliope could not invoke Apollo to come and rescue her? One of his divine jobs was working with and delegating with the muses directly he therefore would have been able to come to her aid, unless it had to do with destiny, because he was the first official god of foresight which means he has access and can see destiny which is why I think he could not come to her. Which they have mentioned on the show Destiny but we have yet to see destiny come on the show and allow us to see there side of their job. As an art historian I am like why could Apollo not come get her or Zeus he is her dad?" I will be honest it was more of a story with dream coming to her rescue and more romantic but the classical studies minor in me is like "uh why did she not invoke Apollo?" all of my academic studies are like this does not make sense. Unless in marrying Dream, Apollo gave Calliope to Dream in terms of claim due to greek custom. Because usually in greek culture women married and child reared, only the oracles were allowed to have a title and a place outside of marriage but still that was for life. Unless they were priestess, but that depended on the god/ goddess that was being pledged to in question because of vows of chastity and what not depends on the god or goddesses follows and what they followed in that area. Still though she is a goddess and she would still have had to answer to Apollo because she was preforming her duty when she was caught which falls back to Apollo. Personally I want answer on this because it feels like a never ending revolving door of going back to Apollo and Destiny.
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Too many bad Doctors in the world recently, not being properly punished, would be my guess. Every violation of the Hippocratic oath is a direct offense against Apollo. This could both weaken him and fill him with such disgust for the mortal world as to not even want to bother.
A new season is coming
Kassandra, my dear Kassandra. I hear your voice once again.
first Kassandra, now Calliope ❤️❤️❤️
Don't forget Athena ( Immortals Fenyx Rising)
great music
I love the details of the invocation that associates the Three Fates with the Three Original Muses: "Ladies of MEDITATION, REMEMBRANCE and SONG" - Melete (meditation), Mneme (remembrance) and Aoede (song).
Hekate, Moirai, Parcas, Horae, Muses, Erinyes (or Furies), all are triple figures representing different facets of the same entity.
Malakas! I can't believe this Richard character trapped Kassandra!
As in Kassandra from AC Odyssey? No shit, awesome.
@@tylerwade6539 didn’t you know she is Kassandra‘s voice actor?
hecate know the law.
they speak riddle, many hint to call king of dream.
and the endless never fade.
hail hecate
I have a question, though I know this comment is old. Is Hekate truly tied to the fates? You speak of her as if she's all of them. I'm asking because of a dream I had once.. Reply if you can 😊
did not realize she’s the voice of Kassandra from ac odyssey till half thru the ep
The Fates are the daughters of Zeus, from his second marriage. His first marriage was to Métis (mother of Athena), his second to Themis, his third and current wife is yours truly 😌
Bow your Your Queen
More ... we want more
Early 2025, The Sandman: Season 2.
I like that, despite being enslaved, used and abused for decades by foolish mortals, Calliope keep a kind of an aristocratic attitude and dignity(albeit, a bit arrogant).
She still knows who she is and what she is, no matter what.
Is that Kassandra's voice? (assassin's creed)
Yes
You mean the legend from the Eurovision movie?
Wonder if Calliope was inspired by what Gaiman actually did to women.
Just like you do to feed your children - you steal lives and then throw the pale bones in the garbage, but here you are Blah, blah, blah...
Yes.
Hades really killed Morpheus's son 😂
in the original myths, Orpheus is a demigod (some versions say he is descendant of Apollo, other versions say he is the son of one of the Muses and a mortal king)
either way, he received music lessons from Apollo and learned to play the lyre most beautifully
Orpheus traveled with the Argonauts and used his musical talents to charm the dragon guarding the Golden Fleece allowing Jason to get it, Orpheus also used his singing voice to drown out the song of the sirens to ensure that the Argonauts would have a safe voyage by sea
Orpheus then fell in love with a woman named Eurydice, they were married, but she died prematurely, leaving him devastated, he traveled to the Underworld and appealed to Hades with a song, Hades allowed him to lead Eurydice out, but warned him that if he turned around to look at her before they were out of the Underworld, she would be lost to him forever
unfortunately, Orpheus could not resist temptation and looked back, causing Eurydice to permanently disappear
Orpheus ultimately died at the hands of a group of violent and drunk nymphs, but his lyre was salvaged and transformed into the constellation Lyra
What is the ost theme during the Goddess came into the room?
I think these technically aren't the Fates even though they are portrayed by the same actresses. They are the Elder Muses who came before the Olympian Muses (Calliope and her sisters).
The three graces, the three fates, the Hecateae, the three old muses, the three wives of Adam, the three furies, and all the other triplex female entities are different aspects of the same entity. The three muses are the Fates, but in a different aspect. So, yes and no.
But Yes, I agree with you it would make more sense to call them the muses, because that is the aspect they are now.
@@GuilhermeHenriqueInYellow Didn't know that, thanks for clarifying!
@@HiIeric117 no problemn, at least that's how these three works in The Sandman Universe.
It always comes in threes.
@@GuilhermeHenriqueInYellow does this also include the Morrigan?
I KNEW HER VOICE WAS FAMILIAR. SHE'S KASSANDRA!! FROM ASSASSINS CREED
I love Nina Wadia! She’s perfect as Mother Fate
What is the title of this sandman movie
Orpheus committed
suicide after he failed
to bring his wife, Eurydice
back. He played discordant
music on his lyre which made
the women to attack him and
tear him apart.
"We will send help... Though it will be.... Unconventional."
"How so?"
"Wait.."
_In the distance_
"ZEEEEEUS, FACE ME!"
Am I the only one who see a similarity between the prayer at the start and Kassandra’s dying praying after she hand the staff of Hermes to Leyla in Assassins Creeds odyssey?
I’m gonna be so upset if The Sandman doesn’t have Season 2
I hate to break it to you but sandman had low chance getting new season soon the director said it himself unless Netflix provide the huge budget for the film
@@kennedyursuaofficial6377 Season 2 is greenlit. finally
@@jackr1465 really????????
Heck yeah!!!!!
@@kennedyursuaofficial6377 yes. 🎉🎉🎉🎉
Heh; "his sacrilege." How EXCEEDINGLY, delicately ambiguous.
i always hated how humans could get the best of such high and mighty beings. If these being were real i doubt they would be captured from the likes of humans.
Watch the episode, or at least pay attention to this clip
There’s a ritual artists can use to snare a muse for themselves and bind that muse so she can’t leave on her own
A novelist bound Calliope with that ritual and then gave her to Richard as a gift. Unless Richard sets her free, she’s stuck by magical law
Oh how I loved this scene ❤❤
Is season 2 out??
I don't know but I just fell in love with the ambiance ❣️
Didn't she pray to a different aspect of the Three? Not the Fates?
Yes, nice catch. She was praying to her actual mother and 'Remembrance' was the key word. A revelation that the titan Mnemosyne is just another aspect of the triple goddess.
@@aylinpatacsil846 how though, the furies, fates, mother of the kameneas, and especially Mnemosyne are so diffrent from each other
@@ridhoirvan1070 I'm sorry, my bad! I did a re-read. Wherever did I get Mnemosyne. In the comics, Calliope explicitly prays to *a trio* of older goddesses - Melete, Mneme and Aiode (Aoede).
As for different characteristics, it's implied in the comics and the show that whatever triple feminine goddess there is, whatever their nature, it's always these three.
@@aylinpatacsil846 my bad too, I totally forgot that the Boetian muses exist
@@ridhoirvan1070 Each of the Aspects (shapes, forms, avatars) of the Three In One are given specific roles, spheres of influence, and powers. They're all variations of the same base entity, a goddess with divided forms, but they exist in different capacities. For instance, if she had invoked the Furies, the Three Ladies of Vengeance and Judgement, they'd have power to punish those who had done her harm in the aftermath of her being freed. If she had invoked Hecate, the Triple-Faced Goddess, The Mother of Witches, Keeper of the Keys, Goddess of Witchcraft, Necromancy and Wealth, then perhaps in that capacity they could have rewritten the Laws and undone her metaphysical bindings. But the Aspect they are summoned in dictates the capacity they are empowered with, same as when one is called into a school as a parent versus when they are called in as a teacher, or when a manager is called into work as a manager versus showing up off the clock.
In this instance, she summoned them as the Three Muses- Melete, Mneme, Aoide. Meditation, Remembrance and Song.
It's Cassandra from AC odyssey :)
Whats this series name ?
I love the word Orpheus echoes
Sandman 2 , please
Renewed in october 2022.
Could they not have called wonder woman to help as they are in the dc universe
I don't remember this scene in the series.
It's a bonus episode
Is there season 2??
The gods only care about themselves
Not necessarily. The Gods came before Man, but Man was made in their image, a reflection of who they are. Mankind often cares only for itself, dooming others and hurting people just for their own benefit. Likewise, the Gods only help those who have something to offer to them as tribute, or when they stand to gain from it in some ethereal capacity. To say otherwise would be hypocritical. We only go into work because it pays us what we need to survive. We only do things for others because we stand to gain from it emotionally, physically or financially.
As for how that applies here, they didn't choose not to help her, they simply couldn't. In the Sandman universe, as in reality, magic has laws that were written into existence by the Gods themselves to ensure balance and order. Those who could wield magic and the powers therein had to be balanced by the laws around them. Gods like the Muses for instance could be summoned or bound to force their powers into play by higher gods (the Olympians for instance) or by powerful mortals (as in their time, only kings, scholars and mages had knowledge of how to do so, and were thus worthy of it). The rules by which she and Morpheus were bound essentially stated that should a being of sufficient will bind their physical avatars to the physical plane by rite, virtue or invocation, they had to submit to it and could not release themselves without the permission of their binder. Certain objects are required for this to occur- such as the Muse's scroll, which held the invocation required to bind her, as ordered by the cosmos. For Morpheus, it was an angel's feather and a cage of glass, to contain the dimensional power he possessed.
Satisfacción 😊
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Was this on the series? I don't remember seeing this
Bonus episode of season 1.
Hold on that Kassander voice from odyssey
i dont recall this from the series ! ;0
episode 11 :)
What episode is this?
11
Why don't I remember seeing this in The Sandman? Is this a deleted scene?
This is the 11th episode. Released late
Bonus episode available as an 11th ep
where is the next episode how rude keep us waiting
Kassandra...
why do I not remember this scene at all?
What episode is this from?
Bonus episode1 .11
I am so confused!!! This was not in the first season similar to the storyline in the graphic novel, it picks up after where the first season ended. So when did they shoot this and where is it in the show?
If you check netflix again it was added as a long episode after the others. Iirc the first part of the episode is an animation of a cat's story & the second part is this calliope story. (Basically its a long bonus episode!) It was released maybe a week or 2 after the rest.
When TF season2 came on Netflix?
It’s a bonus episode. Sneaky!
Everyone’s favorite Greek mercenary, or misthios, and Eagle Bearer: Kassandra
OMG Kassandra was in this series!
Yeah, some mothers they are. 😒
Goes to show many gods and some magical beings are not meant to be parents. they prioritise more on their positions and rules, rather than their own children.
I gotta ask, why bother having offspring to begin with?. Even Dream is not an exception.
What ep is this?
11 the bonus episode
Which episode is this ??????? i dont remember this scene !!!!
Bonus episode of season 1.
if the three who are one is the mother of Calliope does this mean shes also Mnemosyne goddess of memory?
I think is more a "mothers" meant in general sense. Mnemosyne and Zeus were the parents of the Muses after all. She can't be her own mother.
Perhaps Mnemosyne is one of their aspects.
@@GuilhermeHenriqueInYellow Aiode (song), Mneme (memory) and Melete (meditation) are the names of the three Titan Muses. Mneme could be seen as another version of Mnemosyne. Keep in mind that Greek Myth isn't set in stone, there are multiple version of parentages and genealogies, and the names and attributes of the Muses differed from city-state to city-state. For instance, Mimnermos claims the Muses are children of Gaia, Mother Earth (as the Titaness Mnemosyne was). Eumelus calls them daughters of Apollo.
@@Sesharon I'm not trying to claim anything about mythology, I'm just trying to explain how it might work inside The Sandman's FICCTIONAL UNIVERSE. Try to be less pretentious next time, before trying to give someone a mythology lesson.
So there they're in their aspect as the ancient muses Aoide, Mneme and Melete, right?
Yes.
They are the fates, and the three graces, and the three old muses, and the three furies, and each other triplex female entity that there is, just in different aspects.
I just realized that orpheus' temple is in the background
What o şey tapınak mi 🤨 morpheus calliope asiri yakışıyorlar 🎉
Does this mean we'll see orpheus in season 2 if there is a season 2? Think we'll get Rege-Jean Page to reprise the role after he voiced him (speaking and singing) in the audiobook, or that they'll get another actor to play him? Think they'll find someone Greek this time, like with Calliope
Season 2 it´s confirmed since october 2022,dude. And filming began in june 2023 but the strikes interrupted that.
Wait...when did this happen?
Good thing Kratos of God of war is not this versions father. And he would be more than piss that zeus would allow this but looking at heracles, yeah
Malaka!
Malaka… it’s kassandra
K..
Kassandra?
Yes.
The Hecate will help again to Lord Morpheus for his good deeds towards Calliope in this story, im sure. A favor for taking care someone who is family to them.
I named my cat Calliope :3
Uhm I just wanna ask who was the women and what is her connection to Morpheus?
It's the Greek muse Calliope, who was once Morpheus' lover and who had his son, Orpheus.
@@Mythical.History wife
technically these three harpies are just one more death extension of the eternals.
?
I wish they would switch places like in the comic
Orpheus was son of dream?
Yes. He will appear in season 2 next year.
All I could hear is KASSANDRA, my bae
Bro how did i skip this scene
Calliope. Wasn't that the name of kratos' daughter?
Yh common greek name
How did she end up here to begin with? I completely missed that part of the episode if there were ever one that elaborated on that scene.
Erasmus Fry bound her by moly and sacred law, brought her to England as his prize, and then later gifted her to Richard Madoc in recompense for the trichinobezoar.
Delete scene of Hades II
Malaka!!!!!!!!!
Nome das atrizes hecates
Again, the old one is the least nice out of them.
Ancient boomer
Indeed.
Crone: crabby realist.
Mother: doting and caring.
Maiden: ...neutral and somewhat hopeful?
She’s the daughter of Zeus why didn’t Zeus intervene 😭
Because zeus don´t have much power today because like in American Gods(ALSO BY Neil Gaiman) the gods depends of the numbers of cult or religion followers by increase powers.
He can't do this because he has very little faith.