This is why Noctua Fans & Coolers are So Good!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 พ.ค. 2024
- The new 2nd Gen Noctua D15 is coming along with an advanced 140mm high airflow fan but maybe not in 2023. In this video we interview the head Noctua guru Jakob Dellinger where he explains Noctua's quest for the perfect fan and how its evolved in the last 8 years.
TIMESTAMPS:
0:00 - The Noctua Interview
1:11 - Meet Jakob
1:41 - The Next Gen 140mm Fan
2:28 - Creating the Perfect Fan
6:10 - Airflow & Static Pressure Specs DON'T MATTER
9:12 - Tip Clearance, Impellers, Back Pressure & More
12:21 - The "Dead Zone" Myth Busted
14:20 - Fan Clips from the Future
16:39 - Perfection Takes Time
20:04 - 140mm Fan Release Date...Maybe
22:16 - Meet the New D15 (2nd Gen)
22:55 - Fan Tuning, Fin Pitch & Dimensions
24:18 - Base Size & Heatpipe Tuning
26:29 - Fan Revolution Leads to Heatsink Evolution
27:16 - D15 Release Date & The Worst Case
28:22 - The Future of Noctua
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Please tell me im not the only one who prefers an air cooler than a aio
Aaaaaair
Don't worry i am with you
I’ll only use air. So many of my friends have had pump failures and leaks and I’ve been on the same noctua cooler for years.
Aio with noctua fans >>>>
Air all the way, or real liquid cooling if you really want to go all out, AIO is a waste of time.
There's a reason why Noctua gets SO MUCH RESPECT from tech reviewers. They don't mess around. They don't do bullshit marketing. They make extremely high quality products, with excellent warranties, and excellent customer service. They are an honest company, with a very, very unusually high level of integrity. They take pride in making the best products for their customers, and in giving them good customer service and support. They will even provide some degree of customer service and support for products which are PAST their warranties. Noctua fans are often pretty expensive, but chances are that they will actually eventually end up saving you money because of how ridiculously long they last, but they also move more air and make less noise, and even use less power as well. It took me a long time to realize that Noctua stuff is totally worth the price. It started with a CPU cooler that I bought at a discounted price, but today, my PC has four Noctua case fans in it, and I always recommend Noctua to people whenever I'm helping them to put together a PC. That's not to say that there aren't some other good case fan brands or cooler brands, but Noctua keeps ending up being the best option whenever I try to look into what the best fan for a given job is.
I have been using an NH-L12 for the past 8 years or so, and after upgrading from an AM3, to an AM4 motherboard, I found out that I could get a FREE mounting adapter upgrade kit sent to me for no charge at all, directly from Germany to Canada, and it was already past its 6 year warranty at this point in time. It's about 9 years old now, and the same fans are running as good as the day I got it. Noctua still updates information for their older model coolers that are past warranty, such as lists which give you a good idea of how good of a job your old cooler will do at cooling a given modern CPU.
Personally, I don't tend to go for high-end CPUs, so my cooler has been overkill for all of the AM4 CPUs I've had so far, but that just means that it's been extra quiet :)
I ain’t readin allat
Exactly. Got a NH-D15 in 2016. Upgraded to Zen 4 - got sent a free mounting kit from Noctua. I'll never buy anything else
Noctua ftw
Holy noctua shill ☠️☠️☠️☠️☠️☠️☠️☠️☠️
This and GN's interviews with Noctua are among the most interesting tech interviews out of computex this year. Thanks for this guys!
Sadly I think GN did way better with their audio/noise reduction, the background on this HwC video makes it hard to listen to Jakob :(
Noctua are the definition of doing things properly. Designing for quality and not disposability. An old Engineering teacher I once had said it best; "The proper mentality is that there is no such thing as "overengineered"; there is doing it correctly, and there is everything else.".
But doing things properly is in this case just focusing on really unimportant stuff that really doesn't matters in the grand scheme of things... Noctua is basically marketing for PC hardware enthusiasts who are equivalent of audiophiles while sane people just buy Arctic or other brands (if they need a fan besides the stock case fans) and get 95% of performance for fraction of price... And yes, I'm one of those idiots who spend 30+$ for a fan just because I want the best stuff but I know being hardware enthusiast means you do a lot of irrational decisions when it comes to consumer spending and marketing people in companies like Noctua really know how to sell overpriced stuff to us.
@@veduci22 And that exact mentality of people wanting everything to be as cheap as possible NOW is exactly how we ended up with phones you can't change the batteries in, TVs filled with bloatware/spyware, and white-goods such as washing machines that last 3 years, maybe 5 if we are lucky. It isnt technical limitations. It's not even cost restraints. It's planned obsolescence because charging you for a whole new machine is better for their bottom line than letting you change a $15 part on a $500 piece of hardware. I'd rather buy once and buy well. It's not overpriced if it does the job better and lasts 3x longer than anything else. Example: I bought a cutthroat razor a few years ago after Gillette released a certain now-infamous ad. The razor was 2.5x more expensive than its disposable counterparts (NOT including replacement blades). A $30 razor, a $20 polishing stone + 30 mins online learning how to sharpen the thing and I have saved that money back a 10-fold in the years since. I never have to buy a razor again and it does the job better than anything else I've used. It's better for my shave, better for my bank account, and better for the planet. Engineers should run the world.
Apple of air coolers 🤡
I bought the Be Quiet Silent Wings Pro 4 fans for my PC because of high performance, sleek look (and at the time, they had more in stock), but let's be honest, only a fool would deny Noctua's performance. NH-D15 didn't become a decade's benchmark for air coolers for no reason. I can't help but remember what's probably the best and shortest review of Noctua products: "The fact that they're so ugly and people still buy them, that's how you know they're really good."
I had both ... the be quiet first, but they were so loud next to my old noctuas. Their pitch is just worse and they sound terrible when they change speed. It's not the noise level just that the sound changes so much with speed and the pitch is obnoxious.
Bought Noctua D14 in late 2009. It has been running 24/7 since then. Probably the best purchase of my life. Because it has kept my CPU cooler now close to 5000 days 120k hours, if the lower temps dropped power consumption even 1W on average it's 120KWh. And I would assume it has done much more than that. Also the X58 board is alive after running this whole time. First as my main rig and then as my server. Cool air running over VRM and RAM certainly helps.
❤
Been doing the same with a silver arrow since 2010. Socket 1366, 1156 and 1151. Still going strong with a 9700k. Damn good investment we did back in the day 😁
*_"Bought Noctua D14 in late 2009. It has been running 24/7 since then."_*
A Noctua D14 doesn't run, only a fan runs, and there is nothing unique about fans running 24/7 for 15 years or more, unless you bought ones with the wrong bearings. Stop drinking the Noctua Kool-Aid.
This is a really awesome interview! The Noctua guy is exactly the type of person who you would want designing your fans.
I've never heard of a Noctua product fail. Been using my NH-D14 since 2012 (currently on 10850k). We really do need more companies like them in todays world.
I have two Noctua 120mms that have been used daily for 11 years. One of them recently failed, the other is still running like new.
*_"I've never heard of a Noctua product fail."_*
What's to fail about them other than the fan? For your information there is nothing unique about fans not failing for many years, I have seen them running 24/7 for more than 15 years. Stop drinking the Noctua Kool-Aid.
@@Horizon-hj3yc There is something unique when you consider the noise, performance AND quality all at the same time.
@@StefanKrunic5x the cost of Arctic p12 unique?
What it means to me,that guys were creating new 140mm nearly every year. And if they would just go with sale and marketing they would be able to sell them to consumers every year and just make money, instead they are honest with us and try not just to create new "generic fancy rgb" fan put to really create this true rpoduct that will standout in terms of performance. That is just another level. Thank you so much for hard work and honesty to end user.
Noctua fans and coolers are definitely worth it, every time I decided to save a few bucks by going with other brands I always ended up regretting it in the long run.
Save a few bucks...lol. filling a case with noctua fans vs something else could easily equal stepping up a gpu
@@Pacheenee7 you don't need to fill the whole case, 2 good fans are all you need.
@@Pacheenee7 noctua fans will probably last longer then you have the gpu, they are pretty worth it
Same, bought some white fans due to the look, regretted it, bearings wore out on a few, the others spin at drastically different speeds and don't push much air, every single Noctua fan I have is still running like new and perfectly to this day, ten years on.
@@Pacheenee7 Nah, you don’t get it. Those fans last forever and they have the best replacement service in the industry. Even for their air coolers, you can literally get new mounting brackets for cooler from 2012
When he said there's further room for improvement, the first thing that comes to mind for me is they could dive into fans that are thicker than 25mm.
you are wrong! A Noctua RGB fan is the only way for total perfection! (joking)
no not really. the competition needed to breach the defacto standard of 25mm so they could compete, I don't blame them. it's out of the box thinking. but I'd rather Noctua continue 25mm and innovation, we don't need more bigger components taking up more space.
@@wyntje83 I'm not really sure what you are trying to say. I think it's pretty clear that Noctua has done everything that they can reasonably do to maximize the potential of 25mm thick fans. The next logical step is 30mm fans or something similar.
@@wyntje83 In one of this channel's recent videos, they showcased some 30mm thick fans from Antec, so there's definitely competition out there to drive Noctua forward. However, I don't think the need to compete is what is holding Noctua back. I think it's that they're very committed to the 25mm thick standard because their goal is to work toward the best all-rounder 25mm thick fan that most people can use without issues. I believe they will eventually enter into the 30mm space, but it's not time yet.
@@espi8997 but I need my B R O W N
Jesus Christ, Noctua, I know product engineering and manufacturing is hard but going to such lengths for a fan...Mad props!
One area that hasn’t been explored yet is attempting to match the fin density with the pressure/airflow characteristics of the fan across the entire 2-D cross-section of the fan. We know the airflow and pressure is highest at the perimeter of the fan and lowest at the center. While the idea of a dead zone may be outdated, the concept of lower airflow in that area is still valid. Having higher density of fins at the edges of the cooler and lower density of fins where the center of the fan is would result in more heat being dumped - and subsequently dissipated - exactly where the fan is most capable of dealing with that heat.
The other thing they could do as others have mentioned is increase the depth of the fans beyond 25mm. While there are potential clearance issues with radiators and case fans that would limit the desirability of thicker fans, there’s a ton of room to work with above the motherboard once the fans have cleared the memory sticks. There’s no reason a 50mm thick fan on a tower cooler wouldn’t be just as compatible as a 25mm fan in 99% of cases. And with thicker fans comes lower rpm at the same pressure-volume, and that means quieter operation and less wear on the motor.
Great video. I am even more excited for my new build next weekend. I got the Noctua Air cooler and fans. Keep the videos coming!
This video is why I LOVE Noctua gear. As other folks have mentioned, I have multiple Noctua fans or heatsinks well past their 6yr warranty and still crushing it.
Noctua all day every day! Running a D15S + 3 A12x25 in one setup and a U12S chromax with 5 S12A chromax in the other setup.
Delivering SOLID content again !!!
Great interview and chat!
Being running my 140 and 120mm fans since I guess 2012 they still run great on all rads and cases I've build them in. Great stuff from Noctua I only go with them in all my builds and PC's I run today.
Me struggling in my engineering degree. Also me watching this guy rock his role in designing these fans & coolers.
Noctua said it themselves, they don’t have the greatest engineers in the world, they have good engineers who have as much time as they need to get it right.
Now that's dedication I like to see!
Noctua, the best. I would gladly preorder this.
8 of 9 of my PCs run Noctua coolers. After finally upgrading my Sandybridge 2700k in 2019 I needed to replace a quality Megahalems cooler that no longer supported new sockets. Went with a new U14S for long term compatibility. I’ve since bought 7 new, open box or used Noctua coolers for other systems. My favorite air coolers for sure and I only bought the first U14S at full retail prices. The other 7 were like 50-70% off.
NH-U14S w/ dual fans $90 (retail new w/ 2nd fan purchase)
NH-D15 w/ Chromax Black dual fans with white covers $80
NH-D15 w/ Chromax Black dual fans $50
NH-D15 w/dual fans $40
NH-D15 w/ dual fans $40
NH-U14S w/ dual fans $30
NH-D9L w/ single fan $20
NH-U9S w/ dual fans $20
This video was so good. I really hope to get my hands on the new cooler once I switch to AM5. Using 2 NH-L9a coolers currently and love them.
I only wish If we had other pc components with colours of noctua's beige and brown fans. I love that color combination but It always looks out of place, even in white colored systems. I love noctua products and I hope we can see some pc components with that color combination for the sake of noctua centric aestethic build.
@@kirch4rt78that’s not a good solution, matching 90% of the cost of your pc because their colors suck?
Great interview! I was choosing Nocture before already, but feel validated in my choice. Looking forward to the new D15 being released.
The Hills are alive with the sound of Noctua. I just wish they never cancelled their desk fan project. I would have loved to have owned that too.
Great questions and explanations :)
I love Noctua. Their passion is infectious.
This is super awesome. I will definitely get a new one at some point, but my trusty NH-D15 Chromax black is still rock solid.
What a lovely gentleman. Thoroughly enjoyed that video.
2 fan experts talking fan tech. great video
Really great and well prepared intverview. Thanks for the deep insights to the development of the (imho) best fan manufacturer on the market.
Funny thing is it wasn't prepared.....totally off the cuff.
A real pioneer! 😎👍 Greetz from 🇨🇭
great content as usual
Now that's dedication. Hats off.
Realy happy with my current NH-d15 chromax black with an extra 140mm noctua fan in my case they just work and great packaging. they are truly the best in terms of getting the job done and being reliable.
the way they smile and discuss what they love actually beautiful to see and hear.
Honestly, both Jakob and I have been in this industry for almost 2 decades. Talking to him is like coming home again. I love it. - Mike
Noctua is love.
Would love to hear Jakob’s thoughts on these toroidal fans people are 3d printing, seems like he would know all the pros and cons to that concept
I learned a lot and my respect for noctua grows
Great video, I might have to grab them myself soon! Also, any word on when the Razer Blackshark V2 Pro 2023 review is dropping? The mic on it is mindblowing!
thank you for this content!
Noctua's customer service / support is awesome, ASUS & Gigabyte as well as others should take a page out of their book. I've never had a problem with their products but have lost a mounting bracket and screws once.
Looking forward to this as I'm no longer OC and moving away from AIO's.
Dude has a dream job. I'd love to have the chance of working with people who are that detail oriented and obsessed for perfection.
they always look for sightly perfection, this is why i like this brand
Well, I built PC in 2013 and now used by my nephew, the only thing that hasn't been replaced are the cpu (yes, motherboard lasts 5yr), cooling by noctua, memory by corsair, and hdd by western digital.
Those are the base for my future builds.
Just swapped three NF-A9 fans on my gpu, its always nice to know that a company is 100 percent dedicated to delivering high quality products and doesnt cut corners to get a product faster in consumers hands.
Awesome!
Totally fine waiting for excellence. This conversation is why I buy Noctua products.
noctua is the best company in the pc industry. i own 25+ noctua fans and a few of them have been running 24/7 for many years without problems. only failures that i've had were wires that broke off (easy fix)
Love this companies fans. Worth the money
Would like to see *Noctua* producing custom laptop fans for quietness, low temps & efficiency
The quick mention of the direct-die kit is brief and easy to miss but it's really curious given its from Noctua of all people...
Not at all. They teamed up with Der Bauer/Thermal Grizzly. So just buy thermal grizzly kit.
That 2017 prototype will be a beast on a radiator. It's probably noisy (by Noctua standards), that's why they shelved it.
Love Noctua & I use one on my current PC but the price is indeed, getting a bit out of control...
Can't wait to see this. Can we please get it in black and grey? =)
This content makes it important when comparing fans from different manufacturers to include the “fan curve.” Until today, I have yet to see a me TH-camr or manufacturer post their fan curves. As an engineer, it has been a disappointment to not have these curves available to consumers.
Noctua literally has the PQ curve on all their packaging for the fan. So not sure what u mean u havent seen a manufacturer post their fan curves
@@jsteezus So we have to buy the product before you see the curve?
And I apologize if I failed to notice these curves on the 10+ Noctua fans I’ve purchased.
@@jsteezus To confirm your claim, I dug out my less-than-2-year-old Noctua original packages for NF-A12x25 PWM, NF-A12x15, and NF-A14 PWM fans (including some that are chromax). There are no fan curves included. So either Noctua started including those curves within the past 2 years, or you are mistaken.
Noctua the goats of the industry
That's cool!
Super interesting as a physics nerd
When will it be available to buy?
Great !!!
I would like to see how these new fans compare to a fan designed strictly to be a radiator fan and a fan designed strictly to be a case fan.
I loooooove noctua!
What happened to the fan cooler with noise cancelling built in?
Does anyone know what is the best noctua fans i can strap to my 212 hyper black cooler master?
Looking for a good push pull set
I have a question I hope you can help me with. I'm not exactly sure how you do your testing, whether you are using real CPU's or some kind of heat generating device similar to Gamers Nexus so I don't know what software you use to measure temperatures. On my Ryzen 5 5600, most software records multiple CPU temperatures such as CCD, Tctl/Tdie, CPU package and individual cores. Which temperature do you use when telling us the performance of these coolers? Thanks!
For safety, you always go with the hottest core temperature you can find (I know this because I owned a 5600X). There will always be a hot spot, so if the hottest core isn't throttling, you're good. For test result purposes, though, you usually get the average package and die temps because that's a better indication of actual thermal capacity (how MUCH the cooler can cool).
@@spdcrzy Thanks. My core temps are good, in the low/mid 60's but my CCD temp gets up into the 70's. Until I switched to a Ryzen, I never heard of a CCD. Is that a temp that needs looking after?
@@fullmetalt-shirt8355 so the CCD (Core Chiplet Die) is the actual die temperature, which doesn't mean much unless you've delidded your CPU because of how Ryzen 5xxx and beyond are manufactured.
@@spdcrzy Thank you, I appreciate your replies but I'm still wondering, with so many different temperature readings, which one they choose when they tell us a number when reviewing a CPU cooler.
I want them now and in WHITE and BLACK and in argb with 28mm - 30mm thickness for greater pressure and air flow. I'd love to see the D15 and others in black and white heat sinks also.
It's interesting how people are requesting white. Did you know that due to Noctua tolerances, white is harder to accomplish than black? Maybe I'll add that to another video. 👀
@@HardwareCanucks The only reason why I want the White fans Is because the only cases that come with Clear Glass are in white.
Does anyone know whether the black version of the fan will be released at the same time than the brown one?
How much does materials play a role in fan design? I am not a materials engineer, but I have been playing with plastic moulds and I read about and tested some of the amazing ways to increase the strength and/or rigidity of materials. Adding something like 1% graphene (expensive) by weight does wonders for things like breaking and bending strength. Would that have any benefits with PBT that would make it a middle ground compared to something like LCP? What about metal fans? It would place more stress on the engine, but there are loads of fast-moving metal parts made to increadible tolerances all over (and above) the planet, and maybe movint to 140, 160 and 180mm fans exclusively could mean we can increase the motor strength a little bit (quadruple comparing titanium to LCP) without losing tol much fan area.
People just don't understand how the fan design and materials from Noctua are vastly different from other brands. Noctua is the only dedicated in house brand of cpu cooling manufacturer that develops a patented liquid crystal polymer technology and the signature color brown isn't on purpose. It's the original color of the polymer itself and adding a color to it greatly alters the original characteristics of the material itself which will affect it's performance and the structural integrity it was known for. Be glad that the Chromax black colored one exist, at the cost of being slightly less performance than the original brown material.
Noctua is expensive but it's quality. You want this when you pay a lot of money. No regrets when I bought the Chromax black NH-D15, and it did cost more that 100 euros but it's perfect.
now gimme industrial versions of this upgraded design :D
I'm sold on the new 140mm fans, pretty much will replace all my 140mm case fans to Noctua once it got released. 😁
Although, still waiting for Noctua to develop their own AIO solution or better yet a thermosiphon to further improve thermal transfer with their tower coolers.
That would be something to look forward to 😍
I don't think it's worth to buy these as case fans when your existing NF-A14s are perfectly fine. These will be most useful on heatsinks and radiators.
@@panzer3279 I'm still using the stock 140mm fans that came with my case although I'm already using NF-A12x25 on my 360mm AIO. I was contemplating to replace the case fans with NF-A12x25s to appease my OCD. Good thing I saw the Computex 2023 coverage and decided to just wait for the next gen 140mm fans. 😄
Their tower cooler is THE BEST in the market since 10 years ! It has a reason. ❤👍👍👍
I'm a huge fan of Noctua fans🦉
i always buy noctua coolers and fans but i just wish they had an all white fan and tower cooler😢
What about the motor it’s smaller then the previous years?
And why are the fans past the cooling body of the d15 and not like the U12 precisely on the cooling body.
And will they go with thicker fans like the T30 to break the barrier?
NF A140x30 industrialPPC 3000 a man can dream.…
This is the reason I only use Noctua fans, what you get is the best they can produce. I love the Chromax covers for the tower coolers, please bring those forward to the new towers, and if possible I really want white fans too. Cheers HC, Noctua, love your work.
I never would have thought fans are so intense to design
Is Noctua going to come out with 28mm or 30mm thick fans for more air flow and When will they come out with Black or even White and DRGB would be nice.
rgb is out of the question and same with 28 or 30mm thick fans
alao chromax black exists and they are re evaluating the white fans
this is why I trust my PC with Noctua parts and NO OTHER MANUFACTUER!
are they gonna release new 120mm fans with the 140mm.?
their a12x25s are already the next gen 120 mm fans so no point in releasing another
He said D15 C2 - Thats the name - its revealed!
Anyone know what speakers were in the background during the intro?
Edifier
@@HardwareCanucks thank you Sir!!
Which speakers are on the desk please?
Edifier
The newer processors have done better in some cases with less heatpipes because the heat isn't ending up getting to the outside heatpipes much.
8 heatpipes is a ton especially is 6mm.
So I'm wondering how this will manage with that issue.
I bet Noctua has thought about that and tested multiple designs, plus they did mention in the GN interview that they're looking at offset setups for AM5 which is more important to make the most of a set of heatpipes
Never tested if one 140mm noctua fan did an equivalent or better job than two 120mm regular fans on a double tower cooler ?! If it only get 2-3°C more hot by reduce decibel by a lot it could be a nice thing , plus bigger diameter means potentially cooler vrm's , ram etc...
Phanteks T30 for the win in every situation.
compatibility may suffer in mini itx cases though due to the 30mm thickness
My only concern with giant HSF is the amount of weight it puts on the mobo.
Running an NH-D15 for many years now, no sag and no damage, they're not as heavy as they look.
It's really a non-issue unless you shake your case like a spray can.
Now I understand the prices of these fans.
I only run my NF-A14 at 800rpm lmao. I cannot hear it tbh
Hello man!
I'd like to see a new 180mm or 200mm "all rounder" fan at a higher RPM than current 200mm, around say 1200RPM.
holy smokes that cooler is tall. what is the clearance for that thing?
probably the same as the legacy D15/S
It seems Noctua has found a better blade geometry than NF-A12X25. I hope they're developing the next gen 12 cm fan based on this new design.
I’m not sure that’s applicable. As they’ve discussed in many videos, the physics work differently at a larger scale. The A12x25 may be as well optimized as they can get it without having to swap fan blade material-as they’re forced to with the 14cm fan
@@TheShortStory Both 12 and 14cm fans use LCP as blade material.
@@panzer3279 I stand corrected
Can't wait to put it on my 5800X3D. But it will probably cost the same as two AIOs.
Honestly, Noctua's default color scheme really bothered me for the longest time. Now I'm starting to like it. I feel like if you designed a system to work with the color scheme from the get go, it'd look really cool, like LTTs all Noctua PC. It has an almost nostalgic look, and I appreciate the lack of RGB bullshit.