Hildryn can actually use it better than anyone else, just equip energy siphon and you have infinite 0.3 second invulnerability, but procced every 0.1 second.
@@arandomguyel-9402 Pillage isn´t instantly , it still takes some miliseconds with the lowest duration or the duration is so short it doesn´t even reach the enemy
A few niche tips: 1. If you're using a secondary as your main weapon and don't have quite enough conversion to hit max shields, you can use a sentinel and equip augur mods on burst laser (uses secondary mods) without sacrificing dps or mod space on warframes. 2. Don't use augur mods or brief respite on Protea, her shield satellites give 2 extra seconds of shield gating and using abilities with those equipped will cancel that bonus (satellites will compensate for lost shield generation). 3. Lavos can get some easy shield gating by using rakta dark dagger and a primer with radiation.
Hell that makes me crazy, that build is totally bullshit in every scenario just to show the gate works, yeah now try it without the augur And the best part, energize rank 5 or else it wont work well xD
No I didn't forget, I excluded her because she doesn't specifically use this method. Adding on a whole extra section for one frame to do it differently with entirely different modding just doesn't fit one video.
I suppose since technically it's not pure shield gating, but you didn't seem to consider the abilities of some frames which give their own invunerability. Atlas / Atlas Prime are the 'prime' example of this with Landslide giving invunerability frames that can be chained multiple times. As long as you have the enemies to cast it on, you can mix the shield gating, invurability frames and Atlas own tanking passives to huge effect.
Harrow and Mag should be in their own tier because they can already regenerate their shields with a single quick ability cast, although you would not want to use a dragon key with harrow, but mag using her third ability is a quick animation which regenerates 400 shields, so with a dragon key or using one of the mods you mentioned she can get it back to full. There are probably other frames that can do this and other than that, good work!
i'd love to see how good this could be if you instead use Wisp and her will-o-wisp ability, since you can double tap it to get 3 seconds of invulnerability as well
Arcane Resistance works really well with shield gating, though if you are using molt you can already clense toxin procs, just gotta be quick. Though personally i would run vitality or rolling guard over adaptation for backup defenses. Shield gating works best when you don't get hit often.
Everything you said here is wrong. Except the rolling guard part. Vitally, no.. adaptation can build up resistance while getting hit on shields.. resistance only good for toxin procs, not toxin damage, which still bypasses shields.
@@austinquick6285 Right, i am wrong but you are basicly just parroting what I said with slightly different words. Mate, you may want to read again what I wrote.
@@PhiIipz no, I am not. Arcane resistance I disagreed with because it doesn’t stop damage, just resists status effects. Adaptation is much better than vitality for many reasons. Only part I truly agreed with was rolling guard, because it allows you to have 4.3 seconds to fully regen shields. Which according to this guy, you can easily do with a tier 5 frame.
Did hydroids rework not help? I'm finding that undertow shreds high levels as ot scales quickly and not sure if it does true damage or not but it seems that way since the relatively low damage numbers quickly kill high level corrupted heavy gunners. Tbh haven't tested him much
Hydroid lacks reliable cc and self sustain. His tentacles often miss and his rain ragdolls enemies. Spending too much time in the puddle for damage, cc and protection destroys your energy reserve. Fix the CC, maybe add some kind of damage mitigation or even healing he can build up and make it so he can pick up items in his surge so he never has to leave puddle
Not really. Inaros is pretty boring, but pressing a button every 1.3 seconds for a few hours is even more boring, so you've just out Inarosed Inaros, but you do you.
I know most of the players don't know how to use Hydroid but if u spend 5mins testing this frame you'd see that this frame can kill high level enemies of all types without taking much dmg or losing energy from eximus.His 3th ability in combo with others,no need for helminth and no worries about shield gating.Otherwise, it's a great video:)
Most of the times,yes but it depends on what r u killing.For example ,20 180lv bursas or sentients get killed pretty fast in a simulacrum.I also did survivals on sp & arbitration and it worked nicely.It just needs a lil bit ekstra ability strength.
Gauss can recharge his shields up to 80% faster with 80% less delay depending on his battery, he has 113 shields with the key, wouldnt that 1.3s be enough for him to recharge it?
Tbf Pillage is much better at maintaining shield gating than Molt. Fast cast, recovers way more shields than Brief Respite and Augur (But can stack with them), provides overshields, strips defenses. This makes those "lower tier" shield tanks more viable. And Hildryn herself can use Blazing Pillage to cc enemies on top of that. And Protea is her own kind of shield tank, her Satellites provide her with 3 seconds of invulnerability and picking up a new shield will recover the shield gate unless you go with negative strength or add shield via mods. She doesn't need BR So those two don't deserve to be lumped with the other scrubs as they abuse shield gates in their own ways
This is a very effective way to make any frame tanky, it's really up to you. In my opinion, should gating is a bit more effective because its much easier to keep up and with rolling gaurd you can still die in-between immortal peroids.
I hope they go over this system again, maybe just base the I-frame amount on highest absolute amount of shields your frame had shortly before shields deplete? I feel like both sustaining and stockpiling shields should have some benefits here, hope they redesign it instead of just making it so decaying no longer works, or something. I mean, Mag and Harrow, for example, do have shield generation of their own on top of this, but it's still just such a weird system, especially on the building side of things. One thing to be cautious of when changing things, squishy frames that happen to have bad shields shouldn't lose their ability to reliably survive at higher levels. As for Redirection etc., maybe just greatly increase the amount of I-frames that depleted normal shields convert into, as opposed to over-shields. (Then decaying will have a very negative effect, much more logically)
I feel like I am missing something. In the Grendel example you need to recharge shield by 75. Max efficiency molt only costs 12.5. Brief respite would restore ~20 shield, where 150% x 12.5 = 20ish. So how is that a full refresh of shield?
@@TheKengineer Great that works out. Ya you did mention the key but all I saw on screen was 75 for the shield and did not remember to reduce that to 25%. Thanks!
Mate, I like your vids so far. I found your channel with the Railjack update a month ago, and I like your content, and it let me learn a lot. But holy fuck that Saryn gameplay has got to be the most boring gameplay I ever saw tho...
it's probably the standard heavy attack setup without a riven (as he was rarely orange crit'ing)....that's one thing I would like to see explained somewhere, why is it that modding the Glaive P for viral (the meta setup) outdamages other setups (including corrosive, which has a damage bonus vs. armor as opposed to viral's damage negative vs armor) on initial hit even when viral doesn't proc
@@uchuabaya it's not proc'ing viral though (at least not most of the time) it's viral damage yet it still outdamages corrosive damage on initial hit despite the fact that corrosive has a damage bonus against armor and viral has a damage negative vs. armor, that's what doesn't make sense and I haven't seen this explained anywhere...test it yourself and see (ignoring the 3/10 hits or so that actually proc viral)...viral damage isn't supposed to bypass armor btw, it's viral procs that give a damage bonus v health, not viral damage, maybe that is what's happening (the viral damage is bypassing the armor) but I'm pretty sure that's not supposed to happen
0:39 It sounds like you say 'gay tank' here, which... I am 5,000% on-board with, tbh. Gimme dat rainbow tank with sparkles. Fabulous and imposing. What could be better.
the helminth shield restore ability (Rebuild Shields) has a relatively slow cast time. unless you have Natural Talent or Speed Drift, you'll probably only have enough time to cast the Rebuild Shields immediately on reaction to shield gating taking effect. And afterwards, you'll only have a fraction of a second to work with. It's definitely not ideal, and suited more towards using shields and resistances. The sentinel precept mod "Guardian", on the other hand has no cast time and applies instantly, but does have a long cooldown (30s). You won't have to worry about it but it's difficult to keep track of when it's available, so even though it requires no attention to use, it's still not ideal since it can feel inconsistent. Between the two, Rebuild Shields is more controllable. Guardian is just nice to have, and *might* save you if you have a lapse in your attention. Both are good for frames that can focus on tanking with shields without shield gating (like Hildryn -- for Hildryn, Guardian is incredibly helpful). Raksa Kubrows have access to "Protect" which will immediately regen 300 shields, like Guardian, but it triggers any time you have under max shields. If you have low enough max shields, it won't really matter though, and since its cooldown is only 5 seconds, it has pretty good up time. I haven't tried it, but, theoretically, it very well could save you in a pinch. As a comment about Guardian's usability: personally, I add it every time i can fit it. Since it's always available at the beginning of a match, it guarantees that you'll have at least 2.6 seconds total of shield gate invulnerability, which might be enough time to perform any setup you need. Also, imagine: if Guardian had a little clock UI element to show when it was up underneath your frame or your reticle, it would be WAY better, even if it still had a 30 second cooldown. Knowing when exactly it is available goes a long way in being able to actually plan ahead to make smarter use of it. Because sometimes, if you do decide to run Guardian and Rebuild Shields, you'll accidentally use Rebuild Shields so fast on reaction to the shield gate sound effect that it will activate and then Guardian will also activate, wasting Guardian's effect, or Rebuild Shields, depending on perspective. (Guardian will sometimes have a delay of a fraction of a second.) Other times, you'll go to hit Rebuild Shields, and your frame won't perform the cast animation because Guardian already fired, and you'll fumble for a moment because you didn't expect Guardian to be up, wasting a precious fraction of a second. Overall, Rebuild Shields and Guardian are not very good for this. That said, combined with some degree of other shield gate mechanism and Rolling Guard, you can use each of your tools to cover a fair amount of time. ex. you can use Rebuild Shields after your first shield loss to buy 1.3s, then when you hit shield gate again (+1.3s), you can Rolling Guard (+3s), and by this point, Rebuild Shields's cooldown is 12s - 1.3s - 1.3s - 3s = 6.4s. Guardian firing at the right time will give you another 1.3s, and then your Rebuild Shields cooldown will be 6.4s - 1.3s = 5.1s, and Rolling Guard's cooldown will be 4s - 1.3s = 2.7s. If you survive the 2.7s, you'll have Rolling Guard up again, and then Rebuild Shields will be back up by then too. Alternatively, you can change the order and use Rolling Guard after the first shield gate. When RG s end (3s later, 4s cooldown starts), you can cast Rebuild Shields (get 1.3s shield gate, RG cooldown = 4s - 1.3s = 2.7s). Guardian firing at the right time will drop your vulnerable window to 2.7s - 1.3s = 1.4s. There's a lot of micro optimisations that one could make to minmax the amount of time spent invulnerable without specifically focusing on shield gating. (ex. with the right setup, it's possible to fully regenerate shields even during the s of Rolling Guard, which automatically means the effective cooldown of RG will be reduced from 4s to 4s - 1.3s = 2.7s.) Also, worth noting at this time in 2022, having Zenurik focus school's Inner Might passive can actually disrupt shield gating, as it will give you 100% efficiency on an ability cast. If you are not expecting it, you will expend 0 energy and as a result gain 0 shields, which can cause a surprise death, when you might otherwise have been expecting to gain enough shields to enable a full shield gate.
Does anyone have tips on how to get used to playing with shield gates? Gyre is just too squishy for health in the new game modes, but I struggle with Rolling Guard + Gate for some reason '-'
Use blind rage + augur mods, negative efficiency is key to make shield gating work in certain frames , and gyre can generate energy so it has zero draw backs, almost.
If you use excals exalted blade you will constantly gain shields all the time therefore ignoring the shield regen delay (or mesa”s regulators which drain more energy)
You can have as much armor as you want, at some point the enemies get so strong that the 0.001% of damage that gets through is going to be instantly lethal without total invulnerability.
More energy spent does mean more shields, but also means more energy needed to do it again. The best shield gate requires the least energy spent so you can use it more often.
Nice vídeo, i think tanking with skills and also using lifesteal is the best way for high levels, using shield gating tank is more risky than doing others thing for tank, it can't save you if you touch toxin in super high levels missions because that bypass your shields and still you gonna recieve damage in HP also there isn't or doesn't exist the tank absolutely broken or op in the end you gonna still get KO because the super tanky immortal or god doesn't exist in warframe, there exist abillities that make you have more resistance but not like you gonna be a super god ir shit like that, don't matter if You use shieldgating or tank with others things.
In super high levels you’re gonna get one shot anyways, also for the no immortality there’s revenant, as long as you pay attention you won’t die. It’s literally impossible
@@tama4209wrong, is possible, gloom of sevagoth is the perfect example to tank using health and life steal, also using Inaros and nidus is better with that abillitie i think you should test more.
@@roy5998 no in endurance runs enemies will eventually scale so high that you could have the highest health possible and still be one shot especially seva
No real reason to replace an ability tho; Sow and Reap are for your Death Well and are pretty good and synergistic, Gloom is easily one of the best abilities in the game, and Shadow is really good
And then toxin damage type exists sadly, rendering this type of tanking too risky for long runs if there are any enemies using toxin damage which exists on almost all planets/maps. Even if some maps don't use toxin damage, there is always a chance to encounter "enemy toxin weapons" on disruptions, making any single hit basically end run on arbitration. If only arcane resistance did work for damage type aswell as status type...
I'm sorry but this is not rocket science, if it is just to recharge your shield then just jump in your operator and dash to a new position and to depend on only shield gating and not the rest like health and armor is downright dumb no offense to you
well yes you can just dash away, but if you're doing that you're not killing enemies and waiting several seconds just for steel path enemies to 1 shot your 300 shields again anyway. if you really want to be immortal you can just sit on your operator and pop pizzas but ofc you're also not playing the game in that scenario (or use vazarin). the point is you can do this and it won't interrupt you from shooting your guns/throwing your glaive at all, and it would work no matter how high the damage dealt to you is, even on level 9999 enemies the only exception being enemies with toxic weapons
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DE: Creates shield gating for Hildryn
Also DE: Hildryn can't really use it
Hildryn can actually use it better than anyone else, just equip energy siphon and you have infinite 0.3 second invulnerability, but procced every 0.1 second.
@@cutboard4256 that was nerfed some time ago
I thought hildryn have a specific ability that can instantly recharge her shield to max
@@arandomguyel-9402 Pillage isn´t instantly , it still takes some miliseconds with the lowest duration or the duration is so short it doesn´t even reach the enemy
@@alenny1740 you can recast it to instantly bring it back ;)
Oh boy can’t wait to try this inaros ✊🏿😁
This is main reason, out of many more, why inaros is just garbage frame.
Try nidus his kit is way better and more Tanky and has a better life steal kit
@@someguy1301 nidus = top tier shit
@@austinquick6285 do you think you’re smart or something?
@@someguy1301 he doesnt scale well in high level missions. That doesn't mean hes bad
A few niche tips:
1. If you're using a secondary as your main weapon and don't have quite enough conversion to hit max shields, you can use a sentinel and equip augur mods on burst laser (uses secondary mods) without sacrificing dps or mod space on warframes.
2. Don't use augur mods or brief respite on Protea, her shield satellites give 2 extra seconds of shield gating and using abilities with those equipped will cancel that bonus (satellites will compensate for lost shield generation).
3. Lavos can get some easy shield gating by using rakta dark dagger and a primer with radiation.
You dont need a primer for 3 just mod the dagger for high status and radiation as the largest damage amount
2:07
the tongue rolling when he says "Brrrrief resprite"
9:15 "Somewhat zero forma build" *proceeds to add arcane energize rank 5 and primed sure footed*
Hell that makes me crazy, that build is totally bullshit in every scenario just to show the gate works, yeah now try it without the augur
And the best part, energize rank 5 or else it wont work well xD
@@felipecalatza6215 You didn't get the joke...
This is the only video I’ve seen on shield gating that actually helped me understand how it works.
Wow. I cannot believe you don't have more subs or even views these guides are just amazing
bro i've seen only 2 of your videos but i'm already convinced that you're the Einstein of warframe
Me: Mom can we have [Brief Respite]?
Mom: No we have [Brief Respite] at home.
[Brief Respite] at home: [Augur Message]
molts augment (Regenerative Molt) also adds some heal/sec so even if you do take some health damage you can negate it fairly easily
sad hydroid main noises
also did you forget that hildrens whole defensive Strat involves gate tanking?
No I didn't forget, I excluded her because she doesn't specifically use this method. Adding on a whole extra section for one frame to do it differently with entirely different modding just doesn't fit one video.
@@TheKengineer fair enough
I'm gonna try on regular Hydroid with Brief + Coaction + Augur mods without much efficiency
No she doesn't, she s the only warframe that actually tanks damage with shields
@@TheKengineer Mag also
I suppose since technically it's not pure shield gating, but you didn't seem to consider the abilities of some frames which give their own invunerability.
Atlas / Atlas Prime are the 'prime' example of this with Landslide giving invunerability frames that can be chained multiple times.
As long as you have the enemies to cast it on, you can mix the shield gating, invurability frames and Atlas own tanking passives to huge effect.
Harrow and Mag should be in their own tier because they can already regenerate their shields with a single quick ability cast, although you would not want to use a dragon key with harrow, but mag using her third ability is a quick animation which regenerates 400 shields, so with a dragon key or using one of the mods you mentioned she can get it back to full. There are probably other frames that can do this and other than that, good work!
Once I get back to Grendel, this will come in handy
i'd love to see how good this could be if you instead use Wisp and her will-o-wisp ability, since you can double tap it to get 3 seconds of invulnerability as well
Arcane Resistance works really well with shield gating, though if you are using molt you can already clense toxin procs, just gotta be quick. Though personally i would run vitality or rolling guard over adaptation for backup defenses. Shield gating works best when you don't get hit often.
Everything you said here is wrong. Except the rolling guard part. Vitally, no.. adaptation can build up resistance while getting hit on shields.. resistance only good for toxin procs, not toxin damage, which still bypasses shields.
@@austinquick6285 Right, i am wrong but you are basicly just parroting what I said with slightly different words. Mate, you may want to read again what I wrote.
@@PhiIipz no, I am not. Arcane resistance I disagreed with because it doesn’t stop damage, just resists status effects. Adaptation is much better than vitality for many reasons. Only part I truly agreed with was rolling guard, because it allows you to have 4.3 seconds to fully regen shields. Which according to this guy, you can easily do with a tier 5 frame.
Resistance is terrible, toxin procs don't scale and aren't nearly enough to kill you even without any sort of dr/health mod
A small update, Grendel got a rework since this came out, he is now a very solid frame and possibly the best shield tank in the game now .
Your vídeos are the best
Ivs been thinking about quiting after coming back but your videos are soooo easy to understand thank you sooooo much and do you have a discord
I'm happy you enjoy the channel! The discord is here: discord.gg/9WY7KSY
Did hydroids rework not help? I'm finding that undertow shreds high levels as ot scales quickly and not sure if it does true damage or not but it seems that way since the relatively low damage numbers quickly kill high level corrupted heavy gunners. Tbh haven't tested him much
Hydroid lacks reliable cc and self sustain. His tentacles often miss and his rain ragdolls enemies. Spending too much time in the puddle for damage, cc and protection destroys your energy reserve.
Fix the CC, maybe add some kind of damage mitigation or even healing he can build up and make it so he can pick up items in his surge so he never has to leave puddle
I can hear inaros mains crying in the background
Not really. Inaros is pretty boring, but pressing a button every 1.3 seconds for a few hours is even more boring, so you've just out Inarosed Inaros, but you do you.
@@jeptoungrit9000 Limbo Mains: *"Laughs in another plain of existence"*
@@jeptoungrit9000 I’d rather press a button every few seconds than press no buttons at all and become an hp bar on legs. But hey you do you
Inaros can't really die anyways, with gloom and he is basically unkillable. And arcane grace means u don't even have to hit stuff to regen
Lavos mains too
The MIGHTY SEER can make any frame immortal
so Molt is gone. what do we use now? Spellbind?
Best Video! Great! !
I know most of the players don't know how to use Hydroid but if u spend 5mins testing this frame you'd see that this frame can kill high level enemies of all types without taking much dmg or losing energy from eximus.His 3th ability in combo with others,no need for helminth and no worries about shield gating.Otherwise, it's a great video:)
Hydroid 3 can kill enemies regardless of level, but it has stupidly slow kps, you’re (a lot) better off using primer + melee
Most of the times,yes but it depends on what r u killing.For example ,20 180lv bursas or sentients get killed pretty fast in a simulacrum.I also did survivals on sp & arbitration and it worked nicely.It just needs a lil bit ekstra ability strength.
Hydroid absolutely needs changes, but I love him still XD
Gauss can recharge his shields up to 80% faster with 80% less delay depending on his battery, he has 113 shields with the key, wouldnt that 1.3s be enough for him to recharge it?
people tanking, i be dodging
What's that weap he's using?
Nice video btw- subscribed.
glaive prime
@@RMeitzen Ty!
Wow this is better than my hunter set strat.
Tbf Pillage is much better at maintaining shield gating than Molt. Fast cast, recovers way more shields than Brief Respite and Augur (But can stack with them), provides overshields, strips defenses. This makes those "lower tier" shield tanks more viable. And Hildryn herself can use Blazing Pillage to cc enemies on top of that.
And Protea is her own kind of shield tank, her Satellites provide her with 3 seconds of invulnerability and picking up a new shield will recover the shield gate unless you go with negative strength or add shield via mods. She doesn't need BR
So those two don't deserve to be lumped with the other scrubs as they abuse shield gates in their own ways
I did not understand anything, but thanks the info!
Is this worth it compared to Rolling Guard though?
This is a very effective way to make any frame tanky, it's really up to you. In my opinion, should gating is a bit more effective because its much easier to keep up and with rolling gaurd you can still die in-between immortal peroids.
What was that glaive build 👀
I've put a full guide together for it here: th-cam.com/video/TXniOGkfUAg/w-d-xo.html
Wait what 6:40 😭😂 jokess
I hope they go over this system again, maybe just base the I-frame amount on highest absolute amount of shields your frame had shortly before shields deplete?
I feel like both sustaining and stockpiling shields should have some benefits here, hope they redesign it instead of just making it so decaying no longer works, or something.
I mean, Mag and Harrow, for example, do have shield generation of their own on top of this, but it's still just such a weird system, especially on the building side of things.
One thing to be cautious of when changing things, squishy frames that happen to have bad shields shouldn't lose their ability to reliably survive at higher levels.
As for Redirection etc., maybe just greatly increase the amount of I-frames that depleted normal shields convert into, as opposed to over-shields. (Then decaying will have a very negative effect, much more logically)
Brilliant
Full atlas armor + rubble augment, enjoy
I feel like I am missing something. In the Grendel example you need to recharge shield by 75. Max efficiency molt only costs 12.5. Brief respite would restore ~20 shield, where 150% x 12.5 = 20ish. So how is that a full refresh of shield?
Shield gating builds should make use of a Decaying Dragon Key. This drops the shield total by 75%, reducing Grendel's 75 shields to 18.75.
@@TheKengineer Great that works out. Ya you did mention the key but all I saw on screen was 75 for the shield and did not remember to reduce that to 25%. Thanks!
Mate, I like your vids so far. I found your channel with the Railjack update a month ago, and I like your content, and it let me learn a lot.
But holy fuck that Saryn gameplay has got to be the most boring gameplay I ever saw tho...
its SP bro, what do you want?
TBF, he was showing off that you can literally stand around against 100+ level enemies and not die. Boring, but makes a point.
whats the build on that glaive youre using in the saryn gameplay?
it's probably the standard heavy attack setup without a riven (as he was rarely orange crit'ing)....that's one thing I would like to see explained somewhere, why is it that modding the Glaive P for viral (the meta setup) outdamages other setups (including corrosive, which has a damage bonus vs. armor as opposed to viral's damage negative vs armor) on initial hit even when viral doesn't proc
@@deathmetalalchemist5861 I think it's due to viral bypass armor and shield and straight up attacking the enemies health
@@uchuabaya it's not proc'ing viral though (at least not most of the time) it's viral damage yet it still outdamages corrosive damage on initial hit despite the fact that corrosive has a damage bonus against armor and viral has a damage negative vs. armor, that's what doesn't make sense and I haven't seen this explained anywhere...test it yourself and see (ignoring the 3/10 hits or so that actually proc viral)...viral damage isn't supposed to bypass armor btw, it's viral procs that give a damage bonus v health, not viral damage, maybe that is what's happening (the viral damage is bypassing the armor) but I'm pretty sure that's not supposed to happen
@@deathmetalalchemist5861 Perhaps it's the slash heavy build. Where slash carry the highest damage number in the build to proc more often.
@@uchuabaya the slash proc on the glaive prime heavy attack is forced regardless of the IPS distribution
What about nekros's desecrate? he uses energy every time an enemy dies
it's a channel ability, channel abilities don't trigger brief respite or the set not version
Meanwhile Wukong Cloud Walk smiles on this actual bullshit mechanic.
0:39 It sounds like you say 'gay tank' here, which... I am 5,000% on-board with, tbh. Gimme dat rainbow tank with sparkles. Fabulous and imposing. What could be better.
this is how my volt tanks easy with discharge capacitance
I've gotta try this
What's your glaive prime build?
I've put a full guide together for it here: th-cam.com/video/TXniOGkfUAg/w-d-xo.html
There are also Sentinel options that restore your shields
And a Helminth ability that also restores shields
Are they not any good?
the helminth shield restore ability (Rebuild Shields) has a relatively slow cast time. unless you have Natural Talent or Speed Drift, you'll probably only have enough time to cast the Rebuild Shields immediately on reaction to shield gating taking effect. And afterwards, you'll only have a fraction of a second to work with. It's definitely not ideal, and suited more towards using shields and resistances.
The sentinel precept mod "Guardian", on the other hand has no cast time and applies instantly, but does have a long cooldown (30s). You won't have to worry about it but it's difficult to keep track of when it's available, so even though it requires no attention to use, it's still not ideal since it can feel inconsistent.
Between the two, Rebuild Shields is more controllable. Guardian is just nice to have, and *might* save you if you have a lapse in your attention. Both are good for frames that can focus on tanking with shields without shield gating (like Hildryn -- for Hildryn, Guardian is incredibly helpful).
Raksa Kubrows have access to "Protect" which will immediately regen 300 shields, like Guardian, but it triggers any time you have under max shields. If you have low enough max shields, it won't really matter though, and since its cooldown is only 5 seconds, it has pretty good up time. I haven't tried it, but, theoretically, it very well could save you in a pinch.
As a comment about Guardian's usability: personally, I add it every time i can fit it. Since it's always available at the beginning of a match, it guarantees that you'll have at least 2.6 seconds total of shield gate invulnerability, which might be enough time to perform any setup you need.
Also, imagine: if Guardian had a little clock UI element to show when it was up underneath your frame or your reticle, it would be WAY better, even if it still had a 30 second cooldown. Knowing when exactly it is available goes a long way in being able to actually plan ahead to make smarter use of it. Because sometimes, if you do decide to run Guardian and Rebuild Shields, you'll accidentally use Rebuild Shields so fast on reaction to the shield gate sound effect that it will activate and then Guardian will also activate, wasting Guardian's effect, or Rebuild Shields, depending on perspective. (Guardian will sometimes have a delay of a fraction of a second.) Other times, you'll go to hit Rebuild Shields, and your frame won't perform the cast animation because Guardian already fired, and you'll fumble for a moment because you didn't expect Guardian to be up, wasting a precious fraction of a second.
Overall, Rebuild Shields and Guardian are not very good for this. That said, combined with some degree of other shield gate mechanism and Rolling Guard, you can use each of your tools to cover a fair amount of time. ex. you can use Rebuild Shields after your first shield loss to buy 1.3s, then when you hit shield gate again (+1.3s), you can Rolling Guard (+3s), and by this point, Rebuild Shields's cooldown is 12s - 1.3s - 1.3s - 3s = 6.4s. Guardian firing at the right time will give you another 1.3s, and then your Rebuild Shields cooldown will be 6.4s - 1.3s = 5.1s, and Rolling Guard's cooldown will be 4s - 1.3s = 2.7s. If you survive the 2.7s, you'll have Rolling Guard up again, and then Rebuild Shields will be back up by then too.
Alternatively, you can change the order and use Rolling Guard after the first shield gate. When RG s end (3s later, 4s cooldown starts), you can cast Rebuild Shields (get 1.3s shield gate, RG cooldown = 4s - 1.3s = 2.7s). Guardian firing at the right time will drop your vulnerable window to 2.7s - 1.3s = 1.4s.
There's a lot of micro optimisations that one could make to minmax the amount of time spent invulnerable without specifically focusing on shield gating. (ex. with the right setup, it's possible to fully regenerate shields even during the s of Rolling Guard, which automatically means the effective cooldown of RG will be reduced from 4s to 4s - 1.3s = 2.7s.)
Also, worth noting at this time in 2022, having Zenurik focus school's Inner Might passive can actually disrupt shield gating, as it will give you 100% efficiency on an ability cast. If you are not expecting it, you will expend 0 energy and as a result gain 0 shields, which can cause a surprise death, when you might otherwise have been expecting to gain enough shields to enable a full shield gate.
Can I use the helminth ability shield recharge instead if I don't have the brief respite?
The Rebuild Shields ability has a cooldown, making it unsuitable. Brief Respite is all but required for this tank style.
Does anyone have tips on how to get used to playing with shield gates?
Gyre is just too squishy for health in the new game modes, but I struggle with Rolling Guard + Gate for some reason '-'
Use blind rage + augur mods, negative efficiency is key to make shield gating work in certain frames , and gyre can generate energy so it has zero draw backs, almost.
Overshield grants any extra invencibility?
Nope
@@noahedenborg4221 thks tought there was some overshield gate btw the purple and blue shield
Why am I seeing more and more videos of frames using weapons instead of abilities?
Yea yea I wanna see that glave prime build
Funnily enough, the very next video on the channel was just that th-cam.com/video/TXniOGkfUAg/w-d-xo.html
If you use excals exalted blade you will constantly gain shields all the time therefore ignoring the shield regen delay (or mesa”s regulators which drain more energy)
Nice video...put a build for grendel and key dragon man .tnx
There is no point of listing gauss trin and protea etc. They have their own shield fuckery/survivability
Rip Hydroid Prime
Mag can restore shield right?
Tier 7? Damn 3rd skill costly
IDK y he put mag in T7 when she is the best sheild gating frame in the game dude is bonkers
What about arcane grace and the arcane that gives you armor? That's an immortal combo
Arcane grace and arcane guardian, good combo, makes most low armor frame good for tanking star chart enemies, but not for endgame like steel path tho.
Tanky but not immortal, unless you’re just talking about starchart missions
Armor is kinda pointless in the endgame, barrier or aegis would be better
@@TheHolyPentagram aegis is much better than barrier, cus it is so much more consistent.
You can have as much armor as you want, at some point the enemies get so strong that the 0.001% of damage that gets through is going to be instantly lethal without total invulnerability.
Wait so efficiency is better for this? I'm using the augur set
And I thought more energy spent= more shield
Alright then
More energy spent does mean more shields, but also means more energy needed to do it again. The best shield gate requires the least energy spent so you can use it more often.
@@TheKengineer yeah, thing is that even with 200% conversion and 45% efficiency, 25 base energy still isn't enough
Ummm.... this is just the meta way to survive in warframe...
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Nice
Nice vídeo, i think tanking with skills and also using lifesteal is the best way for high levels, using shield gating tank is more risky than doing others thing for tank, it can't save you if you touch toxin in super high levels missions because that bypass your shields and still you gonna recieve damage in HP also there isn't or doesn't exist the tank absolutely broken or op in the end you gonna still get KO because the super tanky immortal or god doesn't exist in warframe, there exist abillities that make you have more resistance but not like you gonna be a super god ir shit like that, don't matter if You use shieldgating or tank with others things.
In super high levels you’re gonna get one shot anyways, also for the no immortality there’s revenant, as long as you pay attention you won’t die. It’s literally impossible
@@tama4209wrong, is possible, gloom of sevagoth is the perfect example to tank using health and life steal, also using Inaros and nidus is better with that abillitie i think you should test more.
@@roy5998 no in endurance runs enemies will eventually scale so high that you could have the highest health possible and still be one shot especially seva
I can never decide what ability to replace on Sevagoth because replacing any ability feels like a massive power decrease
No real reason to replace an ability tho; Sow and Reap are for your Death Well and are pretty good and synergistic, Gloom is easily one of the best abilities in the game, and Shadow is really good
@@tamrielic_wastelander3337 I think you completely missed the reasoning behind why I want to replace an ability in the first place
@@genobeast6464 I don't see why there's a reason at all, frankly.
@@genobeast6464 you never even said why you want to replace it
@@ssickhead1 because I want to?
What about using the decaying dragon key?
And then toxin damage type exists sadly, rendering this type of tanking too risky for long runs if there are any enemies using toxin damage which exists on almost all planets/maps.
Even if some maps don't use toxin damage, there is always a chance to encounter "enemy toxin weapons" on disruptions, making any single hit basically end run on arbitration.
If only arcane resistance did work for damage type aswell as status type...
I use ecelyps
Poor hydroid.
is it just me or this way too much setup to get shield gating which seems to me like a unstable mechanic.
Gay tanking you say?
Oh god, why'd it have to be called shield(gate)? You know what I have to do now!
#SHIELDGATE #SHIELDGATE
i keep hearing gay tanking
you forgot nidus
I'm sorry but this is not rocket science, if it is just to recharge your shield then just jump in your operator and dash to a new position and to depend on only shield gating and not the rest like health and armor is downright dumb no offense to you
well yes you can just dash away, but if you're doing that you're not killing enemies and waiting several seconds just for steel path enemies to 1 shot your 300 shields again anyway. if you really want to be immortal you can just sit on your operator and pop pizzas but ofc you're also not playing the game in that scenario (or use vazarin). the point is you can do this and it won't interrupt you from shooting your guns/throwing your glaive at all, and it would work no matter how high the damage dealt to you is, even on level 9999 enemies the only exception being enemies with toxic weapons
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