Tanya recently said this song is originally written by Kristin's father who is sort of an unsung hero for the band. Later Tanya polished it and made it a complete work.
That's really interesting. There's so many little things about this song. It has some throwback feel to 50's/60's rock. I love Kristin's guitar part, it has such a different sound.
The shift from ethereal verse vocal to... what hell is that? Throat singing? Gargle-meowing? It's a shift down to a whole weird and compelling register in the chorus. I love it. So. Much. I came here for Throwing Muses and found (pleasantly) a bit of ol' Captain Beefheart in the vocal. This song is a gem. That's all.
Elizabeth Fraser from Cocteau Twins could add a similar vocal effect with her throat. Everyone thought it was some clever mixing desk trick, without realising it was Liz just being Liz...
i'm sick of this bullshit thing where people have to constantly say 'oh this person is better than this person' if there is two songwriters in a band... Kristin and Tanya are both amazing songwriters, they just happen to have a different approach, but that doesn't make one of them less valid than the other!... and that was at least part of the appeal when they were in the Muses together... their songs were different, but somehow similar too. and yes Kristin is quite clearly on the stage here!
Tanya wrote and sang lead on 10 Throwing Muses songs that made it onto official releases; Raise the Roses, Green, Reel, Pools In Eyes, River, Giant, Dragonhead, Angel, Not Too Soon, and Honeychain. The Belly song 'Full Moon Empty Heart' started out as a Throwing Muses song too.
oh good greif. there was nothing to do but...see the most underrated band when we were kids. this was incredible live. i think we only saw this version of them a few times. what's funny is watching dave wasn't like watching any other drummer. i semi-assulted him at the "backstage" (it was a room in the middle of the venue) with the door open in north hampton and said something like "Dave Grohl? You know he's ripping you off?" That might have been just before University came out? oh brother.
Obviousley the crowd had never heard "Not too soon" before.. It really is a good song.. Reminds me of the crowd reactiob to The Courteeners playing for the first tine in southern cali..Coachella.. The crowd was dead..but it was an excellent show..
Throwing Muses broke up very soon after The Real Ramona. It's very possible this video was recorded before many people had actually heard the album and they were hearing it for the first time. Do you always go nuts for a song the very first time you hear it? I know I sure don't. It takes me a few listenings to "get" a lot of music I really love.
She colorblind tired eyes Her hallway aching She'll never move him, likes it that way He's just a walker and he'll never stop walking away It's not too soon, he said, you know it's not too soon at all And you might as well be dead, he said If you're afraid to fall, I said, I know her She said, oh, my, why do you stare so hard? Wrapped up like a doll in bad dreams and broken arms Make these old bones shiver It's not too soon, he said, you know it's not too soon at all And you might as well be dead, he said If you're afraid to fall, I said, I know her The last time I saw you, you were standing in the dark And with a freezing face, I watched you fall apart It's not too soon, he said, it's not too soon at all And you might as well be dead, he said If you're afraid to fall, I said Done your time, been in your place I couldn't look you in the face and tell you that it turns me on it makes my stomach turn I know, I know her
it's great to see tanya donelly do it live. kristin hersh is a genius. this song by tanya is great too. i'd have to get some Belly to see i i think the below comment has any merit that Donelly should have done more songs. i love the few she did, but kristin's work is great too.
Wow that thing she does in the chorus, wow. I thought it was an effect or some autotune of some kind but she really slashes her throat and her voice to make it live.
I agree, though Tanya did write some great ones. I love Honeychain. I miss having both of them in the band. I'm in a band with my brother. It can be tough. Only the McDonalds of Redd Kross stuck together.
She was of course on stage, here. Haven't you noticed there were two guitars on this song ? Kristin can be spotted in front of David, as usual, it's just the camera didn't focus on her.
I love how they stylize it as "Not 2 Soon" in the caption. I found a Boston College newspaper article from a year before this (March 1990) which also has it that way ("a set of almost entirely new material, including 'Not 2 Soon'..."). Maybe that's how it was written down on the setlist?
@yell0wSky Gepetto and Feed The Tree also started as Muses songs, among MANY others on the Star album. The "old man" in Feed The Tree is the same as the one mentioned in Honeychain. Also, Dusted was performed by the Muses many times...it evolved from Raise the Roses.
Thanks HeliosHelleborine I love the video clip, just the outfit donnelly wears and the rawness of the clip is priceless. Its a shame TH-cam no longer have this and I gotta go elsewhere.
ive always been more of a hersh fan than a donnely fan, but in saying that this is one of my fave muses song, and tanya def rocks here, i think its better live.
Been married twice and it was made clear before each wedding that if Tanya ever asked, we were done. They each had their own similar dream mate as well.
This song is so amazingly awesome that the audience was completely paralyzed, shocked, and awed by the scale of epic excellence that "Not Too Soon" and the Throwing Muses embody.
i just liked her songs better, i found them more deep and rewarding, less obvious, something i like and appreciate. i also prefer her voice, im not sure hersh felt inferior to donnely, cos she always got more credit
@how47635, Lol, that's funny, I thought the same thing. Crossed with Sarah Michelle Geller. I had a monster crush on Becky from Roseanne when I was a kid, it confused the hell outta me when then switched actresses.
having never listened to the throwing muses before, i bought real ramona because i saw this video by chance. i just realized today that i dont like the throwing muses, i like tanya donelly. everything you said in your comment is exactly what ive been thinking today and its funny to see so quickly that im not the only person who thinks that kristen hersh is super lame.. but like i said, i shouldnt speak so soon, since ive just recently started listening to these guys
I guess if you could figure a way to eliminate the MTV watermark it wouldn't be an issue. Who put out the video? A lot of companies are falling all overthemselves to put material on TH-cam. You'd think they'd want it on here and would have done it by now.
i dont really know enough about hersh to say anything, ive just heard the one album, real ramona.. ive listened to it a couple times thru and am trying to give it a chance, but i just dont like it.. however, most albums that i really like i dont like at first.. i didnt like the beatles white album, springsteens born to run.. actually, the only thing ive ever listened to that i loved right away was the breeders. and i had no idea that donnelly was in that band originally
haha. yeah everything ive heard by them has sounded pretty decent.. i like the guitars and they do have good melodies. ive never really got into them but i really like guitar based stuff like that. it actually reminds me a little bit of the pixies. i dont know if id call their singer a 'gruff' dude haha. those guys are a little too done up for me. all those stylish clothes and hairdos kinda throw me off.. but i can see past it to see that theyre doing some pretty good music
that's hilarious because it's true! as a musician, personally, i've become alot less analytical regarding music in general...and i'm a sucker for a good melody!
This is distressing, in ways; as another singer who has Dissociative Identity Disorder, I totally see her going through it onstage/live. It makes singing very trying at times. I have worked at it, and smoothed things; but am not sure if she had at this time. Once you manage it (as I am sure she did for the spectacularly-sung album version,) you may literally be the most capable and versatile singer in existence.
Kristin is the one with the dissociative disorder, not Tanya (the one singing). It is really cool to watch Kristin sing though when the visual quality’s good enough (it does make me sad that the songs are so painful and intense for her that she couldn’t be there for them). From roughly 2013-14 on she was able to get to a point where she doesn’t dissociate for the most part, it’s still cool to watch because her being present in the song vs. dissociated are such different experiences, both equally as intense.
Hey, thanks for uploading this again. Great song, but unfortunaltely the crowd's kinda dead. Yeah, Tanya Donelly is really pretty, but hey, it's more about the substance than the looks. That's what I most like about Belly, the Muses and the Breeders, for that matter.
This is not meant to be a dig or anything, but it's visceral. In case you wanted to use it again somewhere and wanted to ensure the right spelling. *bearhugs*
ok so you gotta tell me a few of your fave songs. for me right now i'm still reeling from Sex On Fire by Kings of Leon. best new song i've heard in a while.
What confuses me is that I read that this song is from 1991 but I actually know a 1984 version. @Throwing Muses - Not Too Soon (demo 1984) ) th-cam.com/video/tI33C3UwVzI/w-d-xo.html
Maybe, but in this country youngsters are usually much more into techno or heavy metal than into indie rock. I assume it's has something to do whith them being so static. Even their fellow Germans XMal Deutschland were more successful abroad than in their homeland, which figures.
i agree that its way better live... can i ask why youre more of a hersh fan? i dont mean to criticize your taste, its just that i dont understand. im new to these girls and i want to know why kristen hersh is so popular, because i dont get it.. the only thing i can think is that so many girls relate to feeling inferior to other girls, the way im sure she did to tanya donnely since she's prettier and a better singer than her
yeah i'm a "chick" and i thought sex on fire was a fantastic collaboration before i's certain of the lyrics. i think kol is great with melody on that album. i really like their lead bass kinda formula on a few of their tunes like revelry. i don't just get like all hot and bothered at some gruff dude singing the words sex on fire. haha. again, i'm a sucker for melody
i miss watching that nice quality official video that used to be on here. anybody know where a fan could purchase that video? there aren't many artists that can give me butterflies after listening to their music for decades, but Tanya is one of them. love her!
plus i think that kind of stuff happens a lot in bands, where there's a rift because theres too many chiefs and not enough indians, so to speak... if we were having a face to face conversation about this you would see, i think, that im just interested talking and learning about this stuff and dont have a vendetta against kristen hersh or any one else for that matter.. ur right tho, that was a mean thing to say, but i wouldnt say it to her, and i doubt she reads this kind of stuff. i hope she don
theres a lot of songs out there.. i couldnt really say. since you asked me a question i will humor you though and say that gouge away by the pixies is my favorite song.. and i have to ask you, are you chick? because i listened to sex on fire, and though i like those dude's music alright, i dont think i could ever be reelin of a song where a dude says so dramatically something about sex being on fire.. im not trying to offend you, you see, it just seems so silly.. perhaps its me who is silly
honestly, i've not seen kol since their "molly's chamber" vid ages ago, decided it was regurgitated 70's rock crap and never gave'em a 2nd thought. i's a bit shocked to hear their new stuff. i consider myself to have an eclectic taste in music, but i find it quite easy to determine stuff to be uninteresting.
i tried to be clear that i didnt know anything about them. that was my guess based on what i know. i didnt think that was fact, i just wanted to say something definate for the sake of conversation. and i dont think its sexist, i mean, it wasnt intended to be. i think a lot of women do feel inferior to prettier women.. i am not a woman, but i certainly feel inferior to pretty women
The best Throwing Muses song. I wish Belly would consider adding it to their live sets.
Such a good performance and song. Now I remember why I was head over heels for Tanya Donelly when I was 21.
"He's just a walker, and he'll never stop walking away."
Great lyrics are when you can say so much by using so few words!
i dont get it
Tanya recently said this song is originally written by Kristin's father who is sort of an unsung hero for the band. Later Tanya polished it and made it a complete work.
You should hear the demo. It is unrecognizable to the studio version.
That's really interesting. There's so many little things about this song. It has some throwback feel to 50's/60's rock. I love Kristin's guitar part, it has such a different sound.
The shift from ethereal verse vocal to... what hell is that? Throat singing? Gargle-meowing? It's a shift down to a whole weird and compelling register in the chorus. I love it. So. Much.
I came here for Throwing Muses and found (pleasantly) a bit of ol' Captain Beefheart in the vocal.
This song is a gem. That's all.
She's singing Kristen's guitar, however she's doing it, sounds dope.
Elizabeth Fraser from Cocteau Twins could add a similar vocal effect with her throat. Everyone thought it was some clever mixing desk trick, without realising it was Liz just being Liz...
Great, great fun to see her smiling when she goes into _aeroplane singing mode_
After this on Real Ramona....I knew as soon as Belly formed they would be the greatest ❤
i'm sick of this bullshit thing where people have to constantly say 'oh this person is better than this person' if there is two songwriters in a band... Kristin and Tanya are both amazing songwriters, they just happen to have a different approach, but that doesn't make one of them less valid than the other!... and that was at least part of the appeal when they were in the Muses together... their songs were different, but somehow similar too.
and yes Kristin is quite clearly on the stage here!
Every time I hear this song I'm transported to the early 90's.
Ah what an year!!! 1991 !!! I wish I could come back!!
you can sort of hear her winding up for the weird/snarly chorus. awesome no matter what
You can see too. Love it.
Tanya wrote and sang lead on 10 Throwing Muses songs that made it onto official releases; Raise the Roses, Green, Reel, Pools In Eyes, River, Giant, Dragonhead, Angel, Not Too Soon, and Honeychain. The Belly song 'Full Moon Empty Heart' started out as a Throwing Muses song too.
I LOVE this song. I fell in love with it instantly when I first heard it. How on earth is the crowd as dead as it is?
They probably hadn't heard it lol
Drop dead admiration in action
This is a brilliant chunk of pop music.
I can’t stop listening to this perfect song
best song by this band
The best song by any band! IMHO.
oh good greif. there was nothing to do but...see the most underrated band when we were kids. this was incredible live. i think we only saw this version of them a few times. what's funny is watching dave wasn't like watching any other drummer. i semi-assulted him at the "backstage" (it was a room in the middle of the venue) with the door open in north hampton and said something like "Dave Grohl? You know he's ripping you off?" That might have been just before University came out? oh brother.
I just LOVE the Muses' guitar sound and the drumming was as epic as their songs.
I wish this lineup of Throwing Muses would reunite and play in Toronto. I'd go in a second.
Obviousley the crowd had never heard "Not too soon" before.. It really is a good song.. Reminds me of the crowd reactiob to The Courteeners playing for the first tine in southern cali..Coachella.. The crowd was dead..but it was an excellent show..
Throwing Muses broke up very soon after The Real Ramona. It's very possible this video was recorded before many people had actually heard the album and they were hearing it for the first time. Do you always go nuts for a song the very first time you hear it? I know I sure don't. It takes me a few listenings to "get" a lot of music I really love.
Tanya and I go way back... by far my fav song!
Sure pal....
She colorblind tired eyes
Her hallway aching
She'll never move him, likes it that way
He's just a walker and he'll never stop walking away
It's not too soon, he said, you know it's not too soon at all
And you might as well be dead, he said
If you're afraid to fall, I said, I know her
She said, oh, my, why do you stare so hard?
Wrapped up like a doll in bad dreams and broken arms
Make these old bones shiver
It's not too soon, he said, you know it's not too soon at all
And you might as well be dead, he said
If you're afraid to fall, I said, I know her
The last time I saw you, you were standing in the dark
And with a freezing face, I watched you fall apart
It's not too soon, he said, it's not too soon at all
And you might as well be dead, he said
If you're afraid to fall, I said
Done your time, been in your place
I couldn't look you in the face
and tell you that it turns me on
it makes my stomach turn
I know, I know her
OMG...I was there.
You Tube is strange...nice memories. :)
David Narcizo is my favourite drummer ever.
Yeah he was great in this band and it shows in this live tune!
i love tanya donelly. i saw belly when i was 15 on acid and to this day it's my favorite show. i always liked her songs best from the muses days.
Shes fucking great!
their songs are such rich, dense, and textured musical pieces, it's almost criminal how good this is, oof
Great live version,,Tanya was such a tremendous vocalist... ❤️
Que temazo! Como aguanta el paso del tiempo. Me da subidón cada vez que la escucho!
it's great to see tanya donelly do it live. kristin hersh is a genius. this song by tanya is great too. i'd have to get some Belly to see i i think the below comment has any merit that Donelly should have done more songs. i love the few she did, but kristin's work is great too.
If you checked out Belly, what did you think? :)
Wow that thing she does in the chorus, wow. I thought it was an effect or some autotune of some kind but she really slashes her throat and her voice to make it live.
Autotune is far too recent invention. All human voice - and checkout when she winds up, smiling when she goes into _aeroplane vox modus_
not an easy live, and she does it like nothing... wow
I agree, though Tanya did write some great ones. I love Honeychain. I miss having both of them in the band. I'm in a band with my brother. It can be tough. Only the McDonalds of Redd Kross stuck together.
That was the most throat-shredding vocal performance since John Lennon’s in “Twist and Shout”…I’m dead serious..
Thanks for sharing! Awesome!
She was of course on stage, here. Haven't you noticed there were two guitars on this song ? Kristin can be spotted in front of David, as usual, it's just the camera didn't focus on her.
Thx:) Loved/Lived there. Saw them. Harvard Sq:) x.
I love how they stylize it as "Not 2 Soon" in the caption. I found a Boston College newspaper article from a year before this (March 1990) which also has it that way ("a set of almost entirely new material, including 'Not 2 Soon'..."). Maybe that's how it was written down on the setlist?
@yell0wSky Gepetto and Feed The Tree also started as Muses songs, among MANY others on the Star album. The "old man" in Feed The Tree is the same as the one mentioned in Honeychain. Also, Dusted was performed by the Muses many times...it evolved from Raise the Roses.
Feed the tree was gonna be a breeders song
Thanks HeliosHelleborine I love the video clip, just the outfit donnelly wears and the rawness of the clip is priceless. Its a shame TH-cam no longer have this and I gotta go elsewhere.
Tanya is smokin in this vid!!
ive always been more of a hersh fan than a donnely fan, but in saying that this is one of my fave muses song, and tanya def rocks here, i think its better live.
bloody cool band. great post!
Tanya is amazing live
Drums are so sweet.
I love Tanya 🖤🤘
@vilepete Hell yeah, a lot more raw emotion in this one....
Been there ❤️🎸🎶
i love
@yell0wSky Informative, thanks!
How many of you would marry Tanya at the drop of a hat, and insist that your wives would just HAVE TO understand??
Been married twice and it was made clear before each wedding that if Tanya ever asked, we were done. They each had their own similar dream mate as well.
I saw Belly last summer (2018) at a small venue...she's still got it. As does Gail Greenwood!
Wife? What wife? Oh....sorry honey...
Tanya Donelly is so fine..
song seems wasted on this dead audience
This song is so amazingly awesome that the audience was completely paralyzed, shocked, and awed by the scale of epic excellence that "Not Too Soon" and the Throwing Muses embody.
Pearls before swine.
It's in Germany that's why.
It was a festival, they were pretty unknown. I loved them, I was there.
Seriously! I'd be bouncing off the walls if I saw this live.
Not Throwing Muses. Period.
That's hot, lol
I would trade a Pink Floyd, The Who, and The Dandy Warhols concert to have just seen this one song live
@4Namaste i lose my mind when i hear a good melody
besttttttttttttttttttttt
the video got deleted about three days ago. the poster's whole account was deleted for "violation of terms of service."
@how47635, Indeed, brethern (or sistern as the case may be), thou speaketh
Who is playing bass here? Is it the same person on the video and what's his name?
Yes, same guy. Fred Abong. He's terrific!
Please post the video. Tks!
i just liked her songs better, i found them more deep and rewarding, less obvious, something i like and appreciate. i also prefer her voice, im not sure hersh felt inferior to donnely, cos she always got more credit
@how47635, Lol, that's funny, I thought the same thing. Crossed with Sarah Michelle Geller. I had a monster crush on Becky from Roseanne when I was a kid, it confused the hell outta me when then switched actresses.
i think my favorite thing about tanya donnelly is that she looks like Roseanne's oldest daughter Becky in this video
having never listened to the throwing muses before, i bought real ramona because i saw this video by chance. i just realized today that i dont like the throwing muses, i like tanya donelly. everything you said in your comment is exactly what ive been thinking today and its funny to see so quickly that im not the only person who thinks that kristen hersh is super lame.. but like i said, i shouldnt speak so soon, since ive just recently started listening to these guys
ME GUSTA COMO RUGE TANYA D.
I guess if you could figure a way to eliminate the MTV watermark it wouldn't be an issue.
Who put out the video? A lot of companies are falling all overthemselves to put material on TH-cam. You'd think they'd want it on here and would have done it by now.
i dont really know enough about hersh to say anything, ive just heard the one album, real ramona.. ive listened to it a couple times thru and am trying to give it a chance, but i just dont like it.. however, most albums that i really like i dont like at first.. i didnt like the beatles white album, springsteens born to run.. actually, the only thing ive ever listened to that i loved right away was the breeders. and i had no idea that donnelly was in that band originally
MMMRRRRR that cat like growl....gawd damn she is so hot!!!
Amsterdam in Duseldorf :-)
haha. yeah everything ive heard by them has sounded pretty decent.. i like the guitars and they do have good melodies. ive never really got into them but i really like guitar based stuff like that. it actually reminds me a little bit of the pixies. i dont know if id call their singer a 'gruff' dude haha. those guys are a little too done up for me. all those stylish clothes and hairdos kinda throw me off.. but i can see past it to see that theyre doing some pretty good music
that's hilarious because it's true! as a musician, personally, i've become alot less analytical regarding music in general...and i'm a sucker for a good melody!
This is distressing, in ways; as another singer who has Dissociative Identity Disorder, I totally see her going through it onstage/live. It makes singing very trying at times. I have worked at it, and smoothed things; but am not sure if she had at this time. Once you manage it (as I am sure she did for the spectacularly-sung album version,) you may literally be the most capable and versatile singer in existence.
What exactly is D.I.D.?
Kristin is the one with the dissociative disorder, not Tanya (the one singing). It is really cool to watch Kristin sing though when the visual quality’s good enough (it does make me sad that the songs are so painful and intense for her that she couldn’t be there for them). From roughly 2013-14 on she was able to get to a point where she doesn’t dissociate for the most part, it’s still cool to watch because her being present in the song vs. dissociated are such different experiences, both equally as intense.
Or maybe it was Angel or Sexy S that evolved from Raise the Roses, I can't recall for sure right now. Gotta bust out the CDs and compare!
Hey, thanks for uploading this again. Great song, but unfortunaltely the crowd's kinda dead.
Yeah, Tanya Donelly is really pretty, but hey, it's more about the substance than the looks. That's what I most like about Belly, the Muses and the Breeders, for that matter.
This is not meant to be a dig or anything, but it's visceral. In case you wanted to use it again somewhere and wanted to ensure the right spelling. *bearhugs*
Tanya Donelly I love you
it's over on spike. it gets yanked very quickly if posted here
ok so you gotta tell me a few of your fave songs. for me right now i'm still reeling from Sex On Fire by Kings of Leon. best new song i've heard in a while.
Sorry I misspelled your name.
throwing muses best song and the audience just stood there like zombies
Like walkers.
What confuses me is that I read that this song is from 1991 but I actually know a 1984 version. @Throwing Muses - Not Too Soon (demo 1984) ) th-cam.com/video/tI33C3UwVzI/w-d-xo.html
I spent the late 80's and early '90's with HUGE crushes on Tanya Donnelly and Kim Deal! I still have crushes on them!
Sorry, dear
Kim is pretty hard but Tanya can always get it
Maybe, but in this country youngsters are usually much more into techno or heavy metal than into indie rock. I assume it's has something to do whith them being so static. Even their fellow Germans XMal Deutschland were more successful abroad than in their homeland, which figures.
hottest woman ever.
i agree that its way better live... can i ask why youre more of a hersh fan? i dont mean to criticize your taste, its just that i dont understand. im new to these girls and i want to know why kristen hersh is so popular, because i dont get it.. the only thing i can think is that so many girls relate to feeling inferior to other girls, the way im sure she did to tanya donnely since she's prettier and a better singer than her
yeah i'm a "chick" and i thought sex on fire was a fantastic collaboration before i's certain of the lyrics. i think kol is great with melody on that album. i really like their lead bass kinda formula on a few of their tunes like revelry. i don't just get like all hot and bothered at some gruff dude singing the words sex on fire. haha. again, i'm a sucker for melody
my cousin makes the same sound when he has seizures
i miss watching that nice quality official video that used to be on here. anybody know where a fan could purchase that video?
there aren't many artists that can give me butterflies after listening to their music for decades, but Tanya is one of them. love her!
@MRF1983 yes yes yes.. that chick from scrubs just wasnt the same
ditto
plus i think that kind of stuff happens a lot in bands, where there's a rift because theres too many chiefs and not enough indians, so to speak... if we were having a face to face conversation about this you would see, i think, that im just interested talking and learning about this stuff and dont have a vendetta against kristen hersh or any one else for that matter.. ur right tho, that was a mean thing to say, but i wouldnt say it to her, and i doubt she reads this kind of stuff. i hope she don
he was drumming too fast in this set. seemed like she couldnt keep up.
It’s a little fast on tempo but I think it’s just tough to sing period she is shredding her voice on the chorus.
Just great stuff I love TD.
Better than the studio version, me thinks....
theres a lot of songs out there.. i couldnt really say. since you asked me a question i will humor you though and say that gouge away by the pixies is my favorite song.. and i have to ask you, are you chick? because i listened to sex on fire, and though i like those dude's music alright, i dont think i could ever be reelin of a song where a dude says so dramatically something about sex being on fire.. im not trying to offend you, you see, it just seems so silly.. perhaps its me who is silly
honestly, i've not seen kol since their "molly's chamber" vid ages ago, decided it was regurgitated 70's rock crap and never gave'em a 2nd thought. i's a bit shocked to hear their new stuff. i consider myself to have an eclectic taste in music, but i find it quite easy to determine stuff to be uninteresting.
i tried to be clear that i didnt know anything about them. that was my guess based on what i know. i didnt think that was fact, i just wanted to say something definate for the sake of conversation. and i dont think its sexist, i mean, it wasnt intended to be. i think a lot of women do feel inferior to prettier women.. i am not a woman, but i certainly feel inferior to pretty women
Sorry Zia and Shirley, Tonya has always been my favorite
I am a woman, and I agree.
yes it does.. yes it does make one more valid than the other. uh huh