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I like the idea of colonising Venus more than Mars. Warmer, brighter and more room on the planet. I can imagine it being terraformed into a tropical paradise planet (a huge reward for such a difficult undertaking).
I do agree the focus on finding extraterrestrial life takes way too much precedence over actually facilitating exploration. There should be more of a focus on building industrial capacity on the moon
This is completely false. Humans would be able to withstand the pressure, but humans won’t be able to withstand the heat and the radiation from the sun because there isn’t any magnetic shield which protects earth, every planet gets hammered with the suns solar radiation, and the temperature.
Why bother both planet? We don't need to colonize Mars. I mean look at it....better use Mars only as a bridge, develop a base station there and aim Europa.
Yes, earthlings had arrived at Venus last century, earlier than Mars. Cloud cities, mushroom cities, and floating cities are main settlement types. Venus stargates are second popular interstellar stations in the Sol system. So, keep going space projects.
The heat issue is the biggest issue here. If it was just COLD we could probably find ways to cope with that using things like biospheres and other means (perhaps even living under ground) but I think the insane heat is the one limiting factor. So far, i believe all man-made objects sent to venus have failed after about 90 minutes or less due to the extreme heat. Mars is just more hospitable in this regard though since it's "issue" is mostly the opposite (too cold, but again, we could address this with habitable structures that can help maintain temperatures to that which would be suitable for human life; but it's easier I think to heat a structure than try to cool it, especailly from some 800 degrees F which is what Venus is I believe).
Let's go to Mercury. I'm being half serious. Somewhere on Mercury right now it's 72F. It spins slow. You could drive & stay at just the right spot temperature wise. No idea how to fight the Sun's gravity for the trip back home, but we can worry about that later.
I have always wondered about the accuracy of the statement "lead will melt on Venus." The melt temperature of all things rises under high atmospheric pressure.
Thanks for this video. I am considering to ask my astronomy students to analyze pluses and minuses of the possible colonization of Venus vs Mars. I believe it will lead to a nice scientific and educational discussion. In current conditions, I believe the winner is obvious. Which one do you think?
While a floating city might be possible the biggest difference between colonizing Mars vs. Venus is resource extraction. Sure , you could possibly extract water from the Venusian atmosphere but what about metals, silicate, etc…. So, an ongoing base on Venus is possible it will need to be constantly supported and will never be self sufficient.
Im sure they aliens who created our moon could but it rotates backwards extreamly slow. A day is something like 250 earth days and a year is shorter by a dozen or so. The aliens probably took our moon from venus cuz its such a wierd hot shit hole
About 1 percent of the Earth's surface (5 million square kilometers (half the surface of the United States)) is water with a depth of 50 meters or less - in which physically fit people can dive without specialized pressure equipment. Settlements for 100 million people can be established there at a cost of 1/1000 of the cost of settlements on Mars or Venus - or even less. In the event of a breakdown, illness or accident - the Earth is there, not 100 million kilometers of vacuum away.
Before colonizing any of these places need to terraform them to make it more suitable for life. Both planet can be with the right technology and it was discussed many times on this channel and on others. Basically Venus needs to be cool down, atmospheric pressure must be reduced, water needs to be added from asteroids, rotation speed needs to be increased and finally need a strong magnetic field. Mars needs to be warm up, needs extra mass to be added by asteroid bombardments, increased atmospheric pressure needs so gases needs to be imported from gas giants and asteroids, magnetic field needs to be created. There are 2 places currently what we can consider for colonization and para terraforming without full terraforming Callisto and Titan. It is not happening in our life time but for an acceptable scale and tech level. The projects needs to be funded and be started to make it happen and during the process all data must be collected to monitor the whole process and make adjustments if needs. Firstly we need to consider if any life form exists in these places and in the solar system before we try to colonize and terraform. These are the steps not important if today is possible or not but in the future.
Lithium-Hydroxide dumped in the Venusian could convert sulphuric acid to salt and water. It would also convert CO2 to Oxygen. A massive orbiting satellite sunshield array would still be needed. This stuff is beyond our capability.
I think humanity has more than enough resources to spend both on building Venus flying base and Martian base after it will complete a Moon base. Mars is more promising from a building self-sufficient cities, yet Venus is worth trying from a scientific and engineering point of view
You want me to live in a zeplin floating around in acid clouds of the flamethrower that is Venus? Better idea: how about we fly the zeplin directly into the Sun? We would have better odds of surviving for a few more minutes, lol.
@6:14 - no, Venus receives x2 of the Sun's energy compared to Earth, not just 40%. This is because radiation increase or decrease by the SQUARE OF ITS DISTANCE from the energy source. Venus is 0.7 Astronomical Unit compared to Earth's 1 AU - so the solar energy on Venus = 1÷0.7² ≈ 2 times vs Earth . Buddy, you've been creating space videos for a long time now and yet you are not careful about the details that you show.
i don't know why nasa have not looked at doing a manned orbit around Venus, due to the fact its closer, than mars. They would learn a stack load just by doing that, and then put the research and tech to go to mars.
Wenus must be cooled. Not only atmosphere, but upper mantia for making at least 20km crust on with you can live. So full our civilization cannot afford so many energy even during some handred years
The idea of colonizing a Planet which Is closer than ours to the sun Is Simply insane : the sun Is getting hotter and hotter, brighter and brighter... and Venus Is Just hot enough!!!
Let's go to Venus! The statement at the end of the video is completely false. It only took 63 years from 1st flight to landing on the moon; so remember that!
Venus: 850°F on average, 90× surface pressure, sulfuric acid rain, a day is like 260 earth days a year is 240 something. Even if it wasnt hot as hell and no acid rain or the pressure its still a shit hole. Ya lets go there 😐😑 supposedly the clouds are cool but i dont think the good year blimp could make it.
@@danmurray1143 ya take away the extreame heat and pressure and sulfuric acid rain It still sucks! My point excactly a day is longer than a year too like wtf
@jacoblahr Let's go to Murcury. Seriously. Too hot on the Sun's side, too cold on the back side, but in between it is a perfect 72F! It rotates slow, so land a vehicle, drive at like 5 mph, and you stay at the spots that are 72F! That's as far as I've thought it through. No idea what to do for food, water, fuel, or vehicle repairs, lol. Not sure how to break the Sun's gravity for the trip back home. But, we'll figure something out.
A Ukrainian uploader Smartgasm gave the idea of dragging one of the larger trans-Neptunian objects into Venus orbit in front to the sun. If we are to somehow teraform Venus, this is probably the only way, the title is "Lekko szalony plan terraformowania Wenus" but there is no translation so Polish at a basic level is a minimum.
You want to lasso a large space rock, drag it to Venus, and use it as a heat shield? That's just crazy enough to work. Would have to think of a way to slow it down. The Sun's gravity will pull on it very hard the closer you get.
@@danmurray1143 300-500 megatons is enough to knock Kreutz group comets out of orbit, then by a series of impacts you are able to correct the trajectory of the bigger impactor which will eventually change the trajectory of the target. Of course this requires multiple repetitions for decades-hundreds of years maby a bit longer. Eris, for example, has a lot of water If it were in the vicinity of the Venus pericenter it would already stay in orbit. Tidal heating in an eccentric orbit will do the rest of the job, there will be a ring/torus that half will escape into space and the other half will cool down venus after which teraformation will start automatically, in the course of time it will fall on it this solves the problem of high temperature and lack of water. Hydration solves the problem with CO2 and high pressure simply by itself over time carbonation will occur and 40% will turn into clathrates after it cools down but it may take 100.000 years+ after that, you send chemoautotrophs and you're almost at the finish line . I've taken many things into consideration but this idea blew my mind ;P
Sure, you could visit the Venusian atmosphere, but why? If our species is motivated by the same things in the future as in the past and present, our first viable colony will be on 16 Psyche, since it's essentially made of money. Am I wrong? We are going there this actual morning.
Eh expensive and highly impractical with our current technology, sure. But ridiculous makes it sound like we're just doing it for the hell of it. Eventually we will have to implement population control or come up with a means to feed, house, and provide a decent life for all of these people. We can only keep growing at this rate for so long. Even if we were to all switch to a seaweed and factory fish diet. I think a more immediate priority should be desalinization technology so we can make sure we have enough fresh water but interplanetary colonization is hardly ridiculous.
The cost is comparable to Columbus’s first mission to the Americas. Building wooden ships 500 years ago was very expensive. But you wouldn’t consider that a waste of tax payers money? Furthermore, you can thank nasa for modern roads, battery operated power tools, and rocketry that put weather and gps satellites in orbit.
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I like the idea of colonising Venus more than Mars. Warmer, brighter and more room on the planet. I can imagine it being terraformed into a tropical paradise planet (a huge reward for such a difficult undertaking).
LOL, what part of melting led and acid rain are you guys not understanding? Terraforming!? You're going to end up a brick of charcoal!
Closer to the sun that will be growing and getting hotter....yeah no. We need to get away not closer.
I vote sending ice drilling robots to Europa
we're just gonna trash it anyway. let's fix this planet before we dream about colonizing others.
I do agree the focus on finding extraterrestrial life takes way too much precedence over actually facilitating exploration. There should be more of a focus on building industrial capacity on the moon
1st we sent most of our factory jobs to China. Now you want to send the rest to the Moon?!
We can't stand the pressure of Venus. It would be like living at the bottom of challenger deep.
...at the surface. Just like we can't stand the pressure on Earth, at the bottom of the ocean.
This is completely false. Humans would be able to withstand the pressure, but humans won’t be able to withstand the heat and the radiation from the sun because there isn’t any magnetic shield which protects earth, every planet gets hammered with the suns solar radiation, and the temperature.
You stay in the air until we get rid of the over excess gaz
3,000 feet deep actually but either way you die lol
Bioshock infinite floating city
Mars is much more realistic, seeing as how everything man made would instantly melt within minutes of exposure to the Venus surface.
Why bother both planet? We don't need to colonize Mars. I mean look at it....better use Mars only as a bridge, develop a base station there and aim Europa.
Yes, earthlings had arrived at Venus last century, earlier than Mars. Cloud cities, mushroom cities, and floating cities are main settlement types. Venus stargates are second popular interstellar stations in the Sol system. So, keep going space projects.
Great video and information !
The heat issue is the biggest issue here. If it was just COLD we could probably find ways to cope with that using things like biospheres and other means (perhaps even living under ground) but I think the insane heat is the one limiting factor. So far, i believe all man-made objects sent to venus have failed after about 90 minutes or less due to the extreme heat. Mars is just more hospitable in this regard though since it's "issue" is mostly the opposite (too cold, but again, we could address this with habitable structures that can help maintain temperatures to that which would be suitable for human life; but it's easier I think to heat a structure than try to cool it, especailly from some 800 degrees F which is what Venus is I believe).
Let's go to Mercury. I'm being half serious. Somewhere on Mercury right now it's 72F. It spins slow. You could drive & stay at just the right spot temperature wise. No idea how to fight the Sun's gravity for the trip back home, but we can worry about that later.
I have always wondered about the accuracy of the statement "lead will melt on Venus." The melt temperature of all things rises under high atmospheric pressure.
I find it impossible to think about colonizing the clouds of Venus with air ships without thinking about the Hindenburg disaster, only magnified.
Thanks for this video. I am considering to ask my astronomy students to analyze pluses and minuses of the possible colonization of Venus vs Mars. I believe it will lead to a nice scientific and educational discussion. In current conditions, I believe the winner is obvious. Which one do you think?
Venus atmosphere is way better than Mars because you have Earthly pressure, gravity, radiation and it is closer.
could it possibly be becuz Venus is just a wee bit too HOT?
all that GOLD, PLATNIUM RHODIUM....hey baby i'd be a Trillionaire...
800 degrees that's why 😂
While a floating city might be possible the biggest difference between colonizing Mars vs. Venus is resource extraction. Sure , you could possibly extract water from the Venusian atmosphere but what about metals, silicate, etc…. So, an ongoing base on Venus is possible it will need to be constantly supported and will never be self sufficient.
The reason why is quite obvious.
Question What would happen if Venus had a moon? Could we create an artificial moon for Venus?
Im sure they aliens who created our moon could but it rotates backwards extreamly slow. A day is something like 250 earth days and a year is shorter by a dozen or so. The aliens probably took our moon from venus cuz its such a wierd hot shit hole
About 1 percent of the Earth's surface (5 million square kilometers (half the surface of the United States)) is water with a depth of 50 meters or less - in which physically fit people can dive without specialized pressure equipment. Settlements for 100 million people can be established there at a cost of 1/1000 of the cost of settlements on Mars or Venus - or even less. In the event of a breakdown, illness or accident - the Earth is there, not 100 million kilometers of vacuum away.
Venus doesn't really need to worry about aliens
Before colonizing any of these places need to terraform them to make it more suitable for life. Both planet can be with the right technology and it was discussed many times on this channel and on others. Basically Venus needs to be cool down, atmospheric pressure must be reduced, water needs to be added from asteroids, rotation speed needs to be increased and finally need a strong magnetic field. Mars needs to be warm up, needs extra mass to be added by asteroid bombardments, increased atmospheric pressure needs so gases needs to be imported from gas giants and asteroids, magnetic field needs to be created.
There are 2 places currently what we can consider for colonization and para terraforming without full terraforming Callisto and Titan.
It is not happening in our life time but for an acceptable scale and tech level. The projects needs to be funded and be started to make it happen and during the process all data must be collected to monitor the whole process and make adjustments if needs. Firstly we need to consider if any life form exists in these places and in the solar system before we try to colonize and terraform. These are the steps not important if today is possible or not but in the future.
Lithium-Hydroxide dumped in the Venusian could convert sulphuric acid to salt and water. It would also convert CO2 to Oxygen. A massive orbiting satellite sunshield array would still be needed. This stuff is beyond our capability.
Really.. 🤔 but the insane surface pressure and extremely long days...
I think humanity has more than enough resources to spend both on building Venus flying base and Martian base after it will complete a Moon base. Mars is more promising from a building self-sufficient cities, yet Venus is worth trying from a scientific and engineering point of view
You want me to live in a zeplin floating around in acid clouds of the flamethrower that is Venus? Better idea: how about we fly the zeplin directly into the Sun? We would have better odds of surviving for a few more minutes, lol.
Unless aliens come to us, we will never find an alien life in space.
Besides colonizing Venus, let alone the mineral rights(if any?) think we should terra form Venus, Pronto Umo.
We are looking to expand outwardly, not inwardly on the solar system. Simple as that
We are looking to expand outward from the Earth. ANYWHERE in this solar system is outward, by definition.
Too hot. Pressure too high. Even at the more survivable altitudes the clouds are acidic.
Only send your enemies to Venus. I promise you will never have to see them again.
Its all that darn bob zubrins fault 😔
@6:14 - no, Venus receives x2 of the Sun's energy compared to Earth, not just 40%. This is because radiation increase or decrease by the SQUARE OF ITS DISTANCE from the energy source. Venus is 0.7 Astronomical Unit compared to Earth's 1 AU - so the solar energy on Venus = 1÷0.7² ≈ 2 times vs Earth . Buddy, you've been creating space videos for a long time now and yet you are not careful about the details that you show.
i don't know why nasa have not looked at doing a manned orbit around Venus, due to the fact its closer, than mars. They would learn a stack load just by doing that, and then put the research and tech to go to mars.
Can we change the green house affect on Venus to make it more habitable
Wenus must be cooled. Not only atmosphere, but upper mantia for making at least 20km crust on with you can live. So full our civilization cannot afford so many energy even during some handred years
Colonizing the clouds of Venus, so like a prison...
Any Mars colony will also be like a prison.
And they call it Venus the goddess of love!
hot, steamy, barely legal. Name a body part that rhymes with Venus, and win a hot date.
The idea of colonizing a Planet which Is closer than ours to the sun Is Simply insane : the sun Is getting hotter and hotter, brighter and brighter... and Venus Is Just hot enough!!!
I wonder what type of economy could be developed. How would they feed themselves?
Why bother colonising a planet that will be devoured by the Sun about 5 minutes before Earth?
Let's go to Venus! The statement at the end of the video is completely false. It only took 63 years from 1st flight to landing on the moon; so remember that!
Venus is the Air element planet of this system…
#2Spirit #astrology #philosophy #mythology
Until the ability to terraform is had there will be no venus.
We got to get back to the moon and do something there 1st.
Venus: 850°F on average, 90× surface pressure, sulfuric acid rain, a day is like 260 earth days a year is 240 something. Even if it wasnt hot as hell and no acid rain or the pressure its still a shit hole. Ya lets go there 😐😑 supposedly the clouds are cool but i dont think the good year blimp could make it.
& it rotates backwards. I couldn't get use to the sun rising in the West.
@@danmurray1143 ya take away the extreame heat and pressure and sulfuric acid rain It still sucks! My point excactly a day is longer than a year too like wtf
@jacoblahr Let's go to Murcury. Seriously. Too hot on the Sun's side, too cold on the back side, but in between it is a perfect 72F! It rotates slow, so land a vehicle, drive at like 5 mph, and you stay at the spots that are 72F! That's as far as I've thought it through. No idea what to do for food, water, fuel, or vehicle repairs, lol. Not sure how to break the Sun's gravity for the trip back home. But, we'll figure something out.
A Ukrainian uploader Smartgasm gave the idea of dragging one of the larger trans-Neptunian objects into Venus orbit in front to the sun. If we are to somehow teraform Venus, this is probably the only way,
the title is "Lekko szalony plan terraformowania Wenus" but there is no translation so Polish at a basic level is a minimum.
You want to lasso a large space rock, drag it to Venus, and use it as a heat shield? That's just crazy enough to work. Would have to think of a way to slow it down. The Sun's gravity will pull on it very hard the closer you get.
@@danmurray1143 300-500 megatons is enough to knock Kreutz group comets out of orbit, then by a series of impacts you are able to correct the trajectory of the bigger impactor which will eventually change the trajectory of the target. Of course this requires multiple repetitions for decades-hundreds of years maby a bit longer.
Eris, for example, has a lot of water
If it were in the vicinity of the Venus pericenter it would already stay in orbit.
Tidal heating in an eccentric orbit will do the rest of the job, there will be a ring/torus that half will escape into space
and the other half will cool down venus after which teraformation will start automatically, in the course of time it will fall on it this solves the problem of high temperature and lack of water. Hydration solves the problem with CO2 and high pressure simply by itself over time carbonation will occur and 40% will turn into clathrates after it cools down but it may take 100.000 years+ after that, you send chemoautotrophs and you're almost at the finish line .
I've taken many things into consideration
but this idea blew my mind ;P
What if we colonize one of Jupiters moons
Kinda chilly out there.
Corrosive atmosphere ?
Elon Musk is NOT a genius, he's just a rich guy that takes credit for the inventions and creations of others. Stop elevating him to "genius" levels
Sure, you could visit the Venusian atmosphere, but why? If our species is motivated by the same things in the future as in the past and present, our first viable colony will be on 16 Psyche, since it's essentially made of money. Am I wrong? We are going there this actual morning.
The idea of colonizing either planet is equally ridiculous.
Venus yes, Mars no
Habla
@@x88868 it’s the opposite we can actually terraform Venus and the r is air while mars is a maybe
@@bobmorane2082 "we"?
Eh expensive and highly impractical with our current technology, sure.
But ridiculous makes it sound like we're just doing it for the hell of it.
Eventually we will have to implement population control or come up with a means to feed, house, and provide a decent life for all of these people.
We can only keep growing at this rate for so long. Even if we were to all switch to a seaweed and factory fish diet.
I think a more immediate priority should be desalinization technology so we can make sure we have enough fresh water but interplanetary colonization is hardly ridiculous.
Venus 🥵🔥🧑🚀👨🏿🚀👩🏿🚀🫠💀🪦
🤣
LOL
It's all a waste of taxpayer money. And a waste of fuel
The cost is comparable to Columbus’s first mission to the Americas. Building wooden ships 500 years ago was very expensive. But you wouldn’t consider that a waste of tax payers money? Furthermore, you can thank nasa for modern roads, battery operated power tools, and rocketry that put weather and gps satellites in orbit.
@@papaleaf421 same planet. You're not as clever as you think you are. Living on another planet is a pointless fantasy.
You're absolutely right!!! No human will ever put a foot on Mars, much less on Venus. Let's try to survive a few more hundred years in THIS place.....
I'd rather my taxes go towards extraterrestrial planetary exploration than a lot of other things.
nah im pretty sure there will be a human on mars by the middle or end of this century@@olafwolgast3127