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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 1 ส.ค. 2024
- The Lotus 79 and a very 'Shadow' looking car have been added to AMS2 for FREE as a part of their 'One Year' update which just came out. Both ground-effects cars share the same physics and are a treat to drive. Along with some updates to the drivetrain model which seem to have solved the chronic understeer, AMS2 is looking better and better each time I boot it up.
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0:00 Intro
3:31 Ground Effects Testing
9:14 Race
24:15 Final Thoughts - เกม
Actually Ayrton Senna never won in Jacarapagua, but there were a few truly epic races there, like the Jones-Reut contoversy of 1981 and Nigel Mansell's maiden win for Ferrari in 1989, and in between a string of gruelling battles of attrition won by Alain Prost. Unforgettable races!!
AMS2 is massively underrated in the sim scene in my opinion
Such a shame they demolished Jacarepaguá. All that history that was just thrown away for an Olympic Park that's now just sitting abandoned
Wait, THAT'S why it's gone?!!!
The Olympics are a joke... no idea why they're still around
@@dylanhale7300 Can't say I disagree... Not to mention the corruption, politics and human rights issues. It's long since lost its luster.
@@EmilRJohanssonRacing Technically yes, but mainly because Brazil sucks at planning big events like that, so Jacarepagua paid the price for the usual incompetence of its country.
@@frankdiehl8749 It's not as though any of the run-of-the-mill nat'l leagues are necessarily any better. Here in the States, you have all the crap surrounding lobbying for new stadiums and what-have-you.
So, you either take it and try to see and get the best out of it, or you just don't have any major league sports/games, I guess.
Yeah, it is not much talked about because it got destoryed, replaced for the 2016 Olympics with a Sports Center. The smaller layout that has half the track was the last time the Brazilian stock cars used what remained of the track, before the rest disappeared. A very unfortunate loss
And then they promised that a new circuit would be build to replace it, and it never happened... Typical Brazil
@@sheeple04 more specificaly typical rio de janeiro... we are still looking for ways to saw the city off the rest of the country and let it be its own little bubble city state...
17:40 - Woah! Not sure I've ever seen an AI crash like that before in AMS2... Kinda cool to see! It's the kind of weird mistake a human might make if they were under enough pressure and just misjudged their attacking manoeuvre.
Would like to see the AI make more "human" mistakes in Sims tbh, missed braking points, overcooking it on the way out of a corner, the kind of stuff you see in real racing all the time.
it is pretty interesting eh? Definitely lockups and maybe oversteer out of corners would be cool to see. Minor mistakes are often missing
Yeah Assetto Corsa is surely the worst for "bad" ai.
Hey gplaps! Just wanna say you inspired me to make my own videos and thank you for the amazing content you provide for us. Stay strong!
Man, I can't believe you mentioned that F1 1979 rFactor 1 mod. I played it so much back in the day, even though I only had a gamepad (😥)
Nice memory :)
@Andrei C baieti bagam un ams2?
@Andrei C haide, steam:Huzza, poza cu o broasca cu ochelari
@Andrei C sau dă-mi discordul tau
Senna never won in Rio, but Piquet triumphed twice. ;)
The day I bought my first PC, I bought Nascar 2003 with it, along with a Logitech MOMO wheel, which were all new at the time. I loved Nascar, and I loved the 1970 mod that came out later. It was driving those that sparked my interest in historic racing sims, and since GPL was impossible to install and run at the time (this was years before the easy to install GPL we have now), I searched for something that would scratch the itch. A google search found the F1 79 demo for rfactor, which had just released, and sent me down the path I've been on ever since. From the moment I drove the Lotus 79, Ferrari T4, Renault RS 10, and Ligier JS 11, there was no going back to modern race cars. There's just no soul in newer cars, with all their gadgets and technology. So seeing these brought back a ton of really great memories.
In general, I hear you. Though you do find some more modern classes that are fun.
For instance, I think 1999-2002 LMP900 is pretty good, with the Panoz LMP1 Roadster, Cadillac Northstars, R&S Mk.III(C), Lola B2K/10, Crawford SSC2K, Ascari A410, Dome S101, Chrysler LMP, Dallara SP1, Bentley EXP Speed 8, and yes, the Audi R8. Maybe you also toss in the Lola/MG and Zytek LMP675s, as well as the Lister Storm LMP.
F1 was also better up through the end of the V10 era, when you had enough power that you needed to trim the things out much more at tracks like Monza and the old Hockenheim, not to mention, fewer gizmos than now.
I think the GT classes have generally stayed reasonably good, though GTE has become more homogeneous lately with all the twin-turbo V8s out there.
IndyCar has gone in a much better direction since the introduction of the DW12. It was a very good thing the old Dallara was gone after Vegas 2011.
I'm looking forward to seeing what the LM Hypercars look like, and how close the class is; we might get a real interesting season or 2 with the crop of boutique automakers in there, before there are as many factories. Even so, I'm very glad that Ferrari is getting back in in a works capacity for the first time in Sportscars since 1973.
Interesting how 1973 was not only the last year of the 312 PB, but of the Targa Florio in the World Sportscar Championship, Monza without chicanes for the Sportscars, and old Spa without the Malmedy chicane for Sportscars.
@@Villoresi I feel like 1998 was the last year everything clicked, where every motorsport discipline was awesome. Competition wise, there's lots of good racing out there, but I don't find the vehicles fascinating.
I'm glad you mentioned the helmet. It also always bothered me how it looks like he's looking up at the sky, too. It looks so unnatural.
Maybe the driver is wearing bifocal glasses.
The ability to change driver view angle, seat, and visor peripheral should all be options by default in racing games imo.
Digital art. I’m always amazed at the detail put into the car models. Great work. Enjoy all the historical commentary mate. 👍🏻
12:06 lost your air. what an amazing detail
really enjoyed watching this. thank you. in pcars1 lotus was so detailed even could see reflection of the glass on dials was amazing.
Good video mate, again had a few good laughs. Great looking circuit with the hills in the distance.
Great stuff, nice comment, good ride!
MotoGP used to go to Jacarepaguá in the 90's and 00's, and there were some legendary moments there; always raced towards the end of the season, it produced many title-deciding moments in all the classes. It's also I believe the second race in Super Monaco GP for the Mega Drive/Genesis, a game I played a lot as a kid! So sad that it got torn up to build facilities for the Rio Olympics...
Another great video, thanks Jake. You are right... the floaty understeer seems much improved in this update, even before the tyres warm up (which still takes a realistic 4 to 5 laps). In order to test the driving experience, I took the Brabham BT44 out on the classic Osterreichring and I did not experience that unpredictable snap oversteer that spoiled these cars for me. I really enjoy playing AMS2 more after each update and the continued developments by Reiza speak to their commitment in masking AMS2 the best all-round sim experience.
I never really gelled with AMS2 but I drive a few laps after every update, hoping it gets better (my love for AMS1 keeps my optimism). Today's update was the first time I really had good fun on AMS2. I drove the Lotus 79 at the old Kyalami and it was great, so I ran a race at the same track with the V8 supercars and loved it. The Caterham I tried also felt better than I remembered, but still not as good as on AMS1.
Love this track so much
pure beauty
Fun fact: Rubens Barrichello drove a Lotus 79 in 2000 and he said it had almost as much grip and downforce as his current Ferrari F1 car! That's how effective ground effect was.
That looks really fun. I really need to look into ams2 some more
I have Ams 1 but for the life of me can't get the steering and ffb set up properly.
I remember being a huge Nigel Mansell fan as a kid and staying up til arsehole o'clock on a monday morning in 1989 and watching him win his first ferrari race here. Was the only time I ever saw this place (except for CART i guess)
at last, the redux of the great 1979 rfactor mod
Drove Jacarepagua a few months ago with the 1986 F1 mod for AMS in ISO... damn fun season opener track!
I'll never get over the fact that this track was demolished and replaced by a now abandoned olympic center. It hurts knowing that this was so close to me, and now it's gone :(
Senna never actually won at Jacarepaguá, although Piquet did; Mansell's victory in 1989 is really iconic and the CART track was a cool spin on oval racing even if safety wise it was questionable
ah you’re right. I must have been thinking Piquet!
"CART track was a cool spin on oval racing"
Mind elaborating? As someone unfamiliar with oval racing, I'm intrigued.
@@jvccr7533 it was a 3-kilometre-ish oval with little to no banking and two (relatively) tight hairpin turns at either end of the track, very unique, questionable in terms of safety
@@jvccr7533 It was a 3-km trapezoid with little banking. Turns 1 and 4 were pretty tight, while 2 and 3 were essentially kinks. Minimum speed for CART was like 120 mph, while max on the straight was 210 mph.
Senna won a tight race for the line in the 80's. It's on TH-cam, he was in the Black Lotus, John Player Special liveried car. Awesome Tape as always.
I think you may be mistaken with Jerez 86.
18:00 that might be b/c the skirts need a perfectly flat surface to work properly, so any undulations larger than X mm tall per Y cm long cause the seal to break and then the ground effect is gone. The side pull thing is probably because it's happening only on one side's tunnel.
Shadows DN9 driver:Jan Lammers
Samson shag (tobacco) livery
Havent bought Automobilista 2 yet. But from what I've seen their attention to detail on the circuits & cars is up to par with high quality AC mods (visually). I have no idea what the game handles like, but it looks like good fun! :)
Any other people remember this track from Accolade's Grand Prix Circuit on the Commodore 64?
I played it on pc. I think it was the first gp of the championship
Hectic😄
Senna never won at Jacarepagua, he had to wait till Interlagos '91 to be able to scream at the top of his lungs when crossing that finish line ;)
This track is amazing i loved it it's so fun sadly in real life it was demolished and turn into an Olympic park
It's so difficult to remember to avoid the kerbs. When your grip is governed by the floor being close to the track, putting wheels in the air doesn't help at all. Looks significantly less understeery than the old physics.
🇧🇷🇧🇷 Love your vids! Too bad this racetrack was demolished for a thing that is now abandoned…
how realistic is the ground effect? if you bottom out on a corner, will you fly off the track and die?
Yes. I was showing my grandma AMS2. She was driving the 79 like a rally car, all wild. I told her to be carful, She hit the curb. Sadly she died yesterday in the hospital. Her last words were "I love AMS2 even though I suck" RIP Grandma.
These cars are definitely quite a handful. I’d would like them to see if they would remake the RS01 or RS10 (either with a license or a Model 2 of their design).
I'm not sure any top-echelon, winged, open-wheel car (F1, Indy, Super Formula, whatever) ever looked better, especially in that JPS black and gold. It's just so clean and purposeful. Excess "stuff" has been kept to a minimum.
Don't forget, Mario Andretti's teammate that year was no slouch: Ronnie Peterson. That was really a bad deal for all involved, what happened at Monza in 1978. I actually went to a museum in Tubingen, Germany with a March 701, and I think that was the first F1 car Peterson ever turned laps in. There are several notable names attached to it.
Well, if the guys at the stdio saw the early Shadow F1 cars, as well as the DN2 and DN4 Can-Am cars, yeah, those things looks vicious, particularly in the black UOP livery.
I have to say, the Wolf Racing (WR) F1 cars from this period look pretty mean, too.
Jacarepagua (soft "j") probably isn't as famous in large part because Interlagos is just so stunning. This track is flat and "modern" for its day, whereas its better-known compatriot in Sao Paulo is this wild, undulating classic that used to boast a 5-mile lap.
It may be better for race starts to not be going quite so fast into Turn 1. Even those that corner at the end of the back straight is quite sweeping, I'm not sure how much side-by-side I'd want to be doing through there.
It does look like some of the turns are cambered a bit, which I'm sure helps in getting around them successfully, and probably especially in traffic.
Somebody should have been off the track with that whack on the penultimate lap.
Gotta love the lone wheel just sitting there.
Nice effect of kicking up the dust there on the final lap.
I think a 1982 season mod for one of the sims could be interesting. It was the last season of the full ground effects with side skirts, and it was the crossover year, where you could see the turbos starting to come on, and knew their dominance would arrive.
Using kerbs were a real problem back then. Now there are almost at the same level of circuit
I believe Hans Stuck drove that Shadow in '78???
(Wow, only four comment.) Nice vid btw
With this car, fells like you must go just a bit Initial D on corner entries, specially on slow ones. Cheers!
6:30 This was true of cars even in the early 90s. There's stories of how Mansell would listen to Patrick Head and go *faster* through some of the really scary corners. Stowe at Silverstone and Blanchimont at Spa are two that come to mind. He would go through the corner, and then convince himself he could do it faster next time out. Then, he'd just commit and send it. Since downforce increases as the square of speed, the car would stick. His teammate in 1992, Patrese, couldn't get his head around that in the same way and lost tons of time through that type of very fast corner.
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That's Mansell's pole lap from Spa. Note the total lack of movement in the image, due to the Williams' active suspension. No lift through Blanchimont, whereas pretty much everyone else had to.
Nice lap. Thanks for posting the link.
Is that tire scrub causing the revs to drop at the 2nd apex of Blanchimont?
@@Villoresi It’s difficult to tell, especially since the sound cuts out right there. It’s possible it’s scrub or maybe a very small lift, especially as Mansell picked up the slower car up the road
There may well be a quote you can find with more detail on this specific event
Jacarepaguá doesn’t exist anymore...the track was demolished in order to build a Olympic Village for the 2016 Rio Olympic Games. A shame...and the brazilian driver to win the race there was Nelson Piquet with Senna second in 1986...
Great car, but the one in IRacing is way too easy to drive nowadays, far easier than the F3 and no understeer in any corner. But doesn't mean you can correct a slide and even the Lotus 49 doesn't allow anywhere enough sideways driving. All vintage content is completely abandoned in iRacing and if you want to drive vintage cars, there is a higher chance to find a lobby in AMS2. 70`s F1 isn't that popular, but yesterday I went straight into a GT1-race and nice improved handling. When the car goes sideways on the brake you can catch it now unlike iRacing and Raceroom.
part of this track became the olympic village, another part became related to the pan american and world cup... and the rest a golf course.
goddamnit rio... why you always the state that fucks something up...
Mmm... High downforce + sticky tyres are a good recipe to make racing boooring (of course this is just my personal opinion). Moreover, the slipstream spoils the downforce, so staying very close in a fast corner should lead the car who follows to drift away in the grass... but this is something I haven't noticed even in the most accurate sims; though, sure this would turn enjoyable races into... something like we've seen in real life in the last tens of years!
Umm, ground effect is a different animal from wing-generated downforce. There's much less comparative drag involved. It's not the downforce itself that causes the wake issues; it's the relative drag made in the process. So you can have loads of downforce and still have great racing if you have a good L/D value.
F1 cars are very draggy though anymore, in large part because the rules make them that way on purpose because they keep trying to slow them down. And open-wheelers make more drag due to the exposed wheels than do fendered cars. The drag from a current F1 car is enough to produce more than 1g of deceleration without even using the brakes when the driver is off the throttle.
A CART machine from around 2000, at it's worst (superspeedway configuration), had an L/D of a bit over 1:1. A current F1 car might be worse than 1:1. About the last Jaguar Group C car to run Le mans before they added the Mulsanne chicanes had an L/D of 2.4:1, I think, at 240 mph.
The Swift-built Formula Nippon cars from several years ago, though open-wheeled, had an L/D of something like 4.0:1. And when the cars weren't insanely trimmed out, the Group Cs and IMSA GTPs in the early '90s were getting L/D values of 4.0-5.5:1, with some in testing pushing 6.0:1 (6 lb of downforce for 1 lb of drag).
And yes, at ultra-high speeds, like superspeedways or the full Mulsanne, the L/D will get worse, because you're approaching the car's theoretical top speed, and so the base frontal area the car has, no matter what trim it's in, becomes an increasingly large factor.
The rulesmakers could keep the downforce and just let the teams have more efficient (less draggy) ways of making it, and the racing would be fine. And of course, now, you have to change all the tracks again if you take the downforce off, or almost every track now without it would be painfully slow to watch a race at. (This is mainly looking at road courses and street circuits. Ovals would be less of an issue, but still, short tracks would be very slow, and sanctioning bodies would still want the drag to keep speeds down on superspeedways.)
How high did you set the AI? 100%?
Nah i think 90%, im just slow!
@@GPLaps You are not the only one. In AMS2, I rarely set the AI higher than 85%. I get my rear end handed to myself by the AI most of the times.
Tires I think behave like your skin but just a way stronger fiber holding it together.
Nice RJ circuit . Try a inner path next time. You re breaking too late in almost every turn
Is it just me or does the lotus 79 kinda resemble a modern Indycar
I mean, the Lotus 79 is kind of the template for all "modern", top-tier open-wheelers, whether Indy or F1. Jim Hall actually used the 79 as the basis for his Chaparral 2K Indy Car, which Johnny Rutherford used to win the 1980 Indy 500: the famous Pennzoil "yellow submarine".
"With Ayrton Senna winning in his home country".
Me: but Senna never won in Jacarepaguá, his first Brazilian GP win was in 1991 already in Interlagos
same thing here, lol
senna never won in Jacarepaguá, Piquet never won in Interlagos
That random steering is almost certainly numbs in the track. F1 cars dont have power steering.
Currently they do have power steering.
In 1989 here in Jacarepaguá was the debut of the "steering wheel gear change" with a win of Nigel Mansell in his first race with Ferrari.
Here also, but back in 1982 Alain Prost had his first gift from politics being a friend of Jean Marie Balestre, when Nelson Piquet won the race but was disqualified, therefore, Alain Prost won with his always desks friends.
I’m the first comment let’s go I love these videos
To be honest, I'm still not entirely happy with the drive line simulation in AMS2. It feels quite synthetic, almost if I was controlling rather some sort of a script with my right foot, than an actual simulation of a mechanical system. Somehow, most cars feel like if they had solid rear axles but simulated in a funny, unnatural way.
On the other hand, the racing itself is really good. AMS2 is definitely on the right track.
*Automobilista**
haha thank you!!
XD
This game looks too hard. I haven't got enough time to invest in getting good enough for this sort of thing!
Looks great to drive, but the Ai is very over agressive, not very realistic...
AMS2 is junk.