The Biggest Astros CHEATER NOBODY Talks About
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- The Biggest Astros CHEATER NOBODY Talks About
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What are your thoughts?
It's a shame people think about Altuve when they think of the scandal. Despite the facts they only call out cheating when they see success.
Not surprised you’d find a way to make Astros cheating content
I forgive Springer. Nobody else. Maybe just a bit biased tho
i think you should highlight the fact that he ended up with the yankees
as a yanks fan i wanted him DFA’d on multiple occasions but injuries happened that kept him there.
I’m glad someone finally talked about Marwin. I’m a diehard Houston fan, but I never understood how Marwin never got heat for 2017. He a beast in 2017, then fell off the map and nobody seemed to notice. It was so bizarre
Had nothing to do with stealing signs. It would be statistically impossible. As a "diehard houston fan" you wanna engage in this nonsense? 😂👌
Cause he's a Yankee somehow💀
Because he isn't on the team anymore that's why only the cheaters still on the team get booed
Every stat except HR we’re better on the road for Marwin in 2017. Same for Altuve. No diehard Astros fan agrees with this BS.
@@jesusarroyo9737 I’ve always wondered how he was received his first time there
Surprisingly, the reason he made the Yankees opening day roster is because he somehow went off in spring training lmao
What’s that mean? Lol
@@silkyjohnson7599 People are acting weird just because the Yankees signed a back-up utility player in him, as if that somehow makes them hypocrites or something lmao… He “fell off” but he only made the opening day roster because he had a great spring training
@@Ryan-cb1ei A lot of guys have great spring trainings against minor league arms.
And yet the yankees ran out and signed him.
Yankees are cheaters too
Lol
Then Judge got excited about the Yanks signing him even though he said "he lost respect to 2017 Astros players"
Shows you the Yankees accepts cheaters cause they cheat themselves …. * cough * gerrit Cole *cough*
Theres no denying that lol
Let’s also talk about how the 2017 Astros helped Alex Cora become the Manager of the Red Sox who then also got caught “cheating” in 2018. Nobody ever talks about how Alex Cora “benefited” from the “cheating”. But sure let’s beat the dead horse of the Astros 2017 season.
Yankees and Boston caught cheating in 2017 also.
Lol he's a Red Sox fan, of course he's not gonna talk about his team doing the same thing
The Red Sox were actually punished, the Trashtros got a slap on the wrist. That's why nobody brings 2018 up.
@@nopenope2550 How were they punished? They "cheated" their way to championship too. I don't hear any of the outrage over them. The media just wants too perpetuate the myth that the astros were the "rotten egg" of baseball when in reality it was a MUCH deeper systemic issue.
@@nopenope2550 How did Red Sox got punished way more than the Astros? Lol
That Marwin Home Run in Game 2 was at Dodger Stadium not in Minute Maid Park.
You're completely wrong, because their feelings say so. We can't have facts around here LOL
@@reaverofjillsandwiches Lol 😂
You would be shocked how many dodger fans think we were cheating on the road also. I have my doubts as to how much cheating even occurred at home in WS. If we were cheating how did Alex Wood almost no hit us in game 4.
@@jonathanrogers8838 I think Keuchel came out and said they tried, but it was too loud so they stopped.
Bullshit.
It’s crazy the Astros defeated the Yankees at their own game
Exactly !!
The game is baseball, and they did it by cheating 😆
@@Thecastofthelast Just like the Yankees did.
@@chuckwest7045 When and how?
@@Thecastofthelast the Yankees lost all 4 games played in Houston in the 2017 ALCS. The Yankees scored a grand total of 3 runs in those 4 games. G1: 2-1 Astros. G2: 2-1 Astros. G6: 7-1 Astros. G7: 4-0 Astros. Meanwhile, the Yankees scored 8, 6 and 5 in games 3-5 in New York. Houston scored 15 runs in 4 games at home. NY scored 19 runs across 3 games at home.
I wonder when the cut off date is when people can stop bitching about it? Because I really want to talk about the other 17 teams that got caught cheating through out the history of the sport.
Perhaps he cheated at home, but that home run in game 2 was at dodger stadium.
I agree that Marwan was a big cheater but in that Dodgers game it was in LA. Astros couldn't cheat on away games.
An MLB player can make a great play at any time. Look at Bartolo hitting a bomb that one time. It wasn't like Marwan broke the postseason HR record or was considered for the WS MVP because of how good he was on the road.
That 0-2 pitch was a hanger by Jansen. It ruined the whole series for the Dodgers. They should have won in 5 or 6 games.
Of course you can cheat on the road. You get the same access to technology as the home team
@@DrunkenSlob Then the Astros should be exonerated, their fines refunded, & their forfeited draft picks restored -- & Manfraud should be forced to resign. They were made a sacrificial lamb for cheating "using electronic means" (ie video camera in the outfield, to a monitor in dugout). Relaying the signal to the batter by banging on a trash can is NOT an "electronic" means of relaying info, thus nothing was "illegal" according to MLB rules.
@@whathappenedwhen7456 still doesn’t mean they didn’t do that at home. I’m talking about the road. Furthermore it’s a fact that the banging operation involved technology. “Sacrificial lamb” is a term used by Astro fans who want to use whataboutisms to get off the hook. The truth is they were caught on a grand scale that is why they were made an example out of. Anything else Is hearsay and speculation to try to deflect the attention away from Houston who was caught
He signs with Yankees with open arms but they still cry about current Astros
All Yankees fans hate Marwin be gets heckled every game. Astros are world class cheaters but who cares they’re irrelevant and boring
@@ghostprodiqy8709 Bold to say that the current champs are irrelevant, but everyone has their opinion ig
1. Thank jomboy for the Altuve buzzer thing and winner of D-bag of the year 2022 for selling Astros championship gear, your welcome for the fame we gave you.
2. I’d like to see stats on sign stealing league wise, because we all know it was a wide league issue Astros just had a rat 🐀. Let’s start off with Cody Bellinger that 2017 year was sure a peak and nada after, you can say he was the marwin of the dodgers why such a drop off?
Jomboy is just as much a Rat as Mike Fiers in my opinion
The Yankees and Red Sox cheated too but hey, MLB just slapped them on the wrist and swept it under the rug.
Same as the cheatin' Stros no?
So that still doesn't make it right, they all should be under scrutiny. Not swept under the rug!
I wish one channel would concentrate on the Yankees cheating as well as the other 18 or so teams that cheated as well. Hypocrisy that's why.
Zach Hample catching that Homer in one of the clips made me sick
f zach hample
Are you familiar with the expression "flogging a dead horse" ? No mention of the Red Sox and Yankees cheating still ?
I personally put like 80% of the blame on the management. I don’t think a player is obligated to rat out his entire team. especially when the risk is being blackballed out of the league.
When I see the Altuve debate over the internet I've noticed that a lot of people come up with the "well, why didnt he just exposed his team or whatever?" argument, and well, if you know how the teams are, its a pretty simple reason: blackballing. It's no secret that everyone wants to cheat, just so in a way they dont get caught or if they do, they aren't punished heavily by it. So going against your team publicly or some crazy stuff like that is just a death sentence for your career as a player
@ZikaLoko F1Challenge Exactly. Just like steroids, or any kind of cheating, even if a player gets direct help by their teammates cheating, all they can really do is not participate in the cheating, which is exactly what Altuve did
beltran brought plan from yanks and cora took it to boston....so did you enjoy 2022? altuve hit 300 with 28 homeruns....yordan alvarez is a pure hitter and bregman did have homer off wheeler....astros last team standing.....
Altuve was garbage in the playoffs
@@silkyjohnson7599 got his 2nd ring....
The home run against the Dodgers in the World Series was on the road and there was no garbage can cheat available. So at least on that day, Marwin was legitimate. Other than that comment, I can see your point.
He was also .282 at home and .326 on the road for the entire season. The cheating doesn't explain that.
That we know of
Regarding the home-road dichotomy. You are starting from an early assumption - that the Astros must not have cheated on the road, because there were no trash can bangs detected in road games. The MLB Report, which everyone expected would reveal that the Astros cheated only at home, did not address the issue. The only factual finding of relevance was that the Astros cheated during the regular season and "throughout the Postseason" in 2017. In August of 2017, Kevin Goldstein, Astros Executive sent an email to their scouts to request ways in which they could steal signs from the crowd, rather than from a camera feed, which was an effort to refine their cheating away from Minute Maid (which they would not have needed such assistance because they were using the home camera).
“One thing in specific we are looking for is picking up signs coming out of the dugout,” Goldstein wrote in the message. “What we are looking for is how much we can see, how we would log things, if we need cameras/binoculars, etc. So go to game, see what you can (or can’t) do and report back your findings.”
If you saw Game 7 at Dodger Stadium, it was pretty clear that he was successful. Bregman stole THIRD for the only time in his life, and Gurriel, who averages the fewest pitches per plate appearance in the entire MLB over his career, has a THIRTEEN pitch at bat, casually sitting back on all off speed stuff and fouling it off. And, of course it was later confirmed by Evan Gattis that the Astros knew what Darvish was throwing on each pitch.
Of course they cheated on the road, and you'd better believe that after cheating all year, against teams like the White Sox that lost nearly 100 games, there were not going to stop cheating in Game 7 of the World Series.
One thing to note: The homerun hit by Marwin Gonzalez in game 2 of world series against the best reliever of baseball was not because of cheating as the game was in LA and astros could cheat only in houston
One home run, how about 3/7 games of the whole series? Tainted.
@@SittingGC you mean the three other games where there were zero instances of cheating? Cry about it
@@therandomkingofanything4654 ain’t crying just speaking facts, Manfred has confirmed they cheated in the postseason.
@@SittingGC of course Manfred confirmed it he needed a scapegoat because he hates the Astros.
@@SittingGC Still bitter? BAWAWAWAWAWAWA...............................
Carlos Beltran was the main one!
He deserves the most hate.
So we still ignoring that the Astros beat the Dodgers on the road twice in the World Series?
Asking for a friend.
Love it 😂
You're trying to use reason and logic with the wrong people.
Yet the yankees had the audacity to sign him despite speaking out about the 2017 Astros🤣
They signed him as a bench utility player for scraps, his defense was actually valuable. The reason he actually made the roster is because he somehow went off in spring training
Ok I'm going to play devils advocate here.... he had a .932 away ops in 2017 vs .881 at home where the cheating happened..
It could be he just had more confidence that carried over to the road but just saying 🤷
I think you’re not over the cheating
Ok. Now let’s talk about how Yankees cheating since 2015. And how league was tryna cover it up for them.
Evidence?
@@bigrich6075 I guess you didn’t hear about the unsealed documents that were released proving they cheated and were only slapped with a $100k fine. Go google it and get the low down…
@@bigrich6075 literally read the letter that got released this year, unless you’re ignorant that is
I definitely don't think of Altuve, one of two guys on the team who refused to use signals (and that have also been proven multiple times over to be ineffective)
Yup. People just want to jump in the bandwagon and hate without getting some facts first.
sources showed there were 4 guys who didn't want the signals.....Altuve, McCann, Reddick, and Tony Kemp.
@J S That is a matter of opinion and everyone as one. Just because you think they were arrogant doesn't mean they were. You hated people wanted something to validate your feelings. It doesn't work that way. You have no idea how they were feeling plus all the embarrassment they must have felt. Pretty easy to judge when you're not in that position. Plus you don't have no one else to compare them too of how the other person would have acted if they were caught because the other teams that cheated didn't have a snitch. And that doesn't make cheating right I'm just telling you don't act Holier Than Thou and act like you never did anything wrong. God is the judge not you
Still can’t believe people are mad that the astros “stole” signs. It barely helped them when you look at the stats and who gives a shit? Don’t make your pitches easy to distinguish.
Bro literally can not stop talking about the Astros scandal lmaoo
Bros highkey desperate 😂😂
I remember when MLB determined that the Red Sox and Yankees had cheated too. Funny how the media and fans haven't crucified them like they have the Astros. 😐🙄
Cheating every pitch is much different then only being able to cheat when someone's on 2nd base. That's difference between Houston and any other team.
But...they only cheated some......... /smh
MLB must protect yankees at all costs! it's ALL about revenue and Joe Buck has stated this many times on national game broadcasts
Bro they took it too an extreme. Admit it and move on. You can hear the trash cans from the broadcasts for Christ sakes
Gonzalez had a better away BA by 50 points and you said he hit a game winning HR in LA. So you think they were banging a trash can in away stadiums? There is ZERO evidence of that!
After Springer and some guy named Correa left, they were replaced by the Chasmanian Devil and La Tormenta
The Astros will be forgiven when the next teams scandal comes up. I would put my money on the Yankees but they don’t win lol 😂
No team in history has cheated like the 2017 Astros. The increase in OPS by the Houston Astros from 2016 to 2017: 1B Gurriel .677 -> .817; 2B Altuve .928 -> .957; SS Correa .811 -> .941; 3B Bregman .791 -> .827; LF Gonzalez .694 -> .907; CF Springer .815 -> .889; RF Reddick .749 -> .847; C McCann .748 -> .759. Utility Marisnick .588 - .815 That's an entire lineup with improved OPS from 2016 to 2017.
Five of the nine lineup players set CAREER highs that they never topped. It's insane. Nothing like that has ever happened in MLB history.
By contrast, of the regular players on the 2018 Red Sox team, only three improved their OPS over the prior year - Bogaerts, Benintendi and Betts - and only Betts had the best year of his career. Six of the nine regular players actually decreased. The 2001 Seattle Mariners, with the best record in MLB history, also only had ONE player (Bret Boone) who had a career OPS season.
Astro fan here. we've heard it all astriks, trashtros,whatever, 29 teams need every excuse to justify the marginal performance of their squad while the Astros continue to perform at a high level. talk all you want to, but the bottom line is we are over 2017. it's in the past. we are busy celebrating the 2022 championship. I could waste time pointing out how many of the teams who talk about the cheating scandal were also cheating, but it doesn't matter. they're losers looking for a reason that they can feed to their fans to justify not winning. no room for cry babies in the championship circle.
Yes, it made the 2022 World Series victory something to be proud of because it was won honestly without cheating. In fact, if you look at the lineup, only two players remain from that cheating team of 2017 - Bregman and Altuve. And, Correa said that Altuve was disgusted by the cheating and actually got mad when his teammates tried to get him to cheat as well. Altuve was apparently raised to be honest and to play fair, and he did not want success if it was achieved only by cheating. So, yes, the cheating 2017 team is a disgrace, a brown, crusty , smelly skidmark on the underwear of Major League Baseball, but the fact that they cheated makes the 2022 Astros, who won without cheating, even better.
Talk about how Yankees getting Juice Balls 2022!!!
Yankees cheat? Quick, where's a rug we can sweep it under?
@@rickeyoftherhodes8983 HaHa Funny and yep that what they do
The same research that this video cited also concluded that the sign stealing system hurt more than it helped due to its inaccuracy. On top of that, how could Gonzalez have used the sign stealing system in the World Series at Dodgers stadium to hit his home run? Gonzalez's batting splits were much better on the road than at home in 2017. All this evidence points to something not so unusual for many baseball players: a career year.
Yeah, the Astros weren’t able to cheat on the road, only at home, so that home run from Gonzalez was legit
@@MaleahMoses theres multiple reports showing they cheated both at home and road
Well, it helped when it mattered so either way it doesn't excuse it.
@@maicon_13 please post a link. Only people i ever hear bring that up are dodger fans
The biases to try and keep this scandal alive are astonishing. People need to let it go, being that they're better after the cheating than during it.
Bro keeps bringing up the 2017 scandal😂
The played never got punished. Astro fans act like cheating to win a WS is nbd. Such p___ies
@@pratt17648 Astros are your Daddy!!!!! Cry harder!!!!!! Cry more!!!!!!
@@anthonymartinez0865 thats all you can say. Have fun defending cheating POS the rest of your life
I'd still vote Altuve to the HOF if the career regular stats support it scandal or not.
I'd vote for him IF Bonds and Schilling made it. Bonds didn't need roids to make it to the HOF, he needed them to become the scariest batter to walk this planet. Schilling is just a big asshole. If those two don't make it but Altuve does then the HOF is hypocritical.
They do. They have for a while
@@brendonbuffaloe8830 no they don’t lmao
@@silkyjohnson7599 name a 2nd baseman with better career stats than Altuve to not make the HOF. Career average of .307 with .830 OPS, and has a whole season’s worth of production in the postseason for his career
@@brendonbuffaloe8830 Jeff Kent.
Ironically I do remember being at a game against the Ranger’s where Fier’s, the one who told on his old team start and gave up like 7 run’s. The Astro’s came back, and won 9-8 on a homerun by Marwin. Lol
you should work on those apostrophes
@@baactiba3039 I thought about that, but you knew what I was saying.
@@baactiba3039 You just police the comments for grammar issues? It’s TH-cam, no real person cares.
@@baactiba3039 GFYS
Marwin may have benefited at the plate the most, so him gunning down a runner at home plate from left field in the ALCS is my fav Marwin memory. That Jensen homer is a close 2nd. No idea if he knew what pitch was coming there but damn both were clutch asf.
The facts that there’s a sign stealing scandal website is hilarious
It was created by an Astros fan.
@@silvadjr yeah to show the facts of who cheated and who didn’t
@@silvadjr and?
When my boy is still buttthurt about 2017! Put some ice on it bro, you’ll feel better soon lol 😂
Kiss both rings!! Love Houston
Reddick and Beltran felt like the biggest cheaters
Reddick was awful like really bad. Like after the scandal he was hard to watch
Reddick didn’t use the system. JFC the info is out there, Reddick, Kemp, and Altuve refused the system.
Marwin and Marisnick. That's your top two.
@@jeffstrosmchats7259 yeah i think it was obvious did you watch the man swing a bat
i mean he was a star player with the A’s then just went downhill with the Astros
How about “The Biggest CHEATER You Don’t Talk About” the Boston Red Sox. Since your a red Sox’s fan and all it’s funny how you’ve never once mentioned on your channel how the Red Sox were in fact caught sign stealing in there 2018 WS run and even had there manager suspended for an entire season. I think it’s time you mention your favorite team in a video
i noticed Cody Bellinger’s hitting hasn’t been the same since the cheating was exposed.
How ironic !! Maybe he was cheating....LOL
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Christian yelich too
@iTalkStudios, Who are you to say what anyone deserves? While Gonzalez, might have benefited from playing at Minute Maid, that year let’s not forget that steroids/ PED users benefit anywhere they play at home or on the road.
the casual zack hample appearance 2:49
The Astros cheated at home games. So looking at his overall stats doesn’t tell the story. More interesting would be comparing the home vs away games stats for Marvin.
Regarding the home-road dichotomy. You are starting from an early assumption - that the Astros must not have cheated on the road, because there were no trash can bangs detected in road games. The MLB Report, which everyone expected would reveal that the Astros cheated only at home, did not address the issue. The only factual finding of relevance was that the Astros cheated during the regular season and "throughout the Postseason" in 2017. In August of 2017, Kevin Goldstein, Astros Executive sent an email to their scouts to request ways in which they could steal signs from the crowd, rather than from a camera feed, which was an effort to refine their cheating away from Minute Maid (which they would not have needed such assistance because they were using the home camera).
“One thing in specific we are looking for is picking up signs coming out of the dugout,” Goldstein wrote in the message. “What we are looking for is how much we can see, how we would log things, if we need cameras/binoculars, etc. So go to game, see what you can (or can’t) do and report back your findings.”
If you saw Game 7 at Dodger Stadium, it was pretty clear that he was successful. Bregman stole THIRD for the only time in his life, and Gurriel, who averages the fewest pitches per plate appearance in the entire MLB over his career, has a THIRTEEN pitch at bat, casually sitting back on all off speed stuff and fouling it off. And, of course it was later confirmed by Evan Gattis that the Astros knew what Darvish was throwing on each pitch.
Of course they cheated on the road, and you'd better believe that after cheating all year, against teams like the White Sox that lost nearly 100 games, there were not going to stop cheating in Game 7 of the World Series.
Let it go, let it go, let it go! Only problem with this theory is look at his home/away stats. He was a better hitter on the road by quite big margin. Yes he hit more homeruns at home but his batting average on the road was nearly 40 points higher. His Ops on the road was higher. He struck out more at home and walked way more that struck out on the road. From all accounts the cheating could only happen at home and yet he was better on the road. Interestingly the Astros as a whole were way better on the road in 17. They won because they were good not because of any cheating scandal. Yanks cry about it but they score 3 runs in 4 games in Houston that’s why they lost.
In addition to this, an interesting finding was made comparing Marwin's numbers toward the beginning of the season before he received as many trash can bangs to after.
"According to this dataset, Gonzalez had exactly six pitches with the bangs prior to June 11th. By looking at his stats before-and-after this date, we can get a better idea of how it impacted his hitting. If his “hot season” was already underway prior to June 11th, then the actual impact of the cheating become murky. If he started colder but got hot after that point, then it clearly helped him.
From March 1st, 2017 through June 10th, 2017 Marwin Gonzalez hit .322/.412/.630 with 12 dingers. He struck out 18% of the time, and walked 11.8% of the time. We can essentially call these the “pre-banging stats.” From June 11th through September 24th we get the “post-banging stats.” Gonzalez hit .283/.343/.466 with his other 12 homers. His strikeout rate was 21% and his walk rate was 7.5%. These were not the stats I was expecting."
He received the most opportunities to cheat, but the cheating doesn't necessarily equate to the sole reason he had a fluke season.
And I just find it funny how Yankees will chant “Fuck Altuve” and then proceed to sign Marwin
Ah yes because the fans sign the players. Not a Yankees fan at all, but come on
@@Barryzuckercorn69 Well, they certainly weren't booing him...right?
Also, ALL TEAMS DID IT, and no one talks about THAT either. Oh well 🤷🏼♂️
I won’t go as far as saying all teams did it. Many teams were doing something. Some teams were doing things similar to Houston. Look at what the Red Sox did with the Apple Watches, their fans want to feel better because the cheating their team did is just below the bar that fans created as what’s too far. We have seen multiple guys come out and say they know other teams were doing things, the league knows too, the facts are the league knew about the Astros in 2018 and chose to do nothing. This games history is riddled with cheaters, the Astros aren’t he first team to win it all while stealing signs and they won’t be the last.
Logan Morrison
"I know from first hand accounts that the Yankees, Dodgers, Astros, and Red Sox all have used film to pick signs,"
Dallas Keuchel
"during the course of the playoffs in `17, everybody was using multiple signs,”
Joey Votto
"The idea that they (the Astros) were the only one doing something wrong just baffles me."
Lucas Giolito
“Based on everything I’ve heard, it was like all the teams that were in the postseason that year were doing the same shit"
Chris Sale
If the Astros were the only team doing it, then yeah. Give it back. Take it back. I know for a fact they weren’t,”
Steven Souza
“I’m not going to get into to all that but you should know that if you think Houston was the only team with a sign stealing system you’re dead wrong.”
Chris Bassitt
"...Houston was not the only team doing stuff... one team essentially got caught doing it -- or was the guinea pig of doing it to clean the whole entire league up"
Josh Reddick
"I was there, so theres my proof"
Kris Bryant
"Absolutely not. I definitely think others were."
Josh Donaldson
"Please don’t forget if you were a Yankees/Red Sox fan, none of your guys are (Hall of Famers) because both of them got caught using Apple watches before the Astros got caught.”
Erik Kratz
“I can tell you that a team that has been to the World Series often recently, we caught them doing something almost similar. The Colorado Rockies were doing the exact same thing in 2018…They used to take a Theragun and bang it on their metal bench. They were doing the exact same thing.”
Will Clark
“How can I put this mildly? They got caught. All the rest of us, we didn’t get caught."
If by "cheating the least" you mean "not cheating at all" with respect to Altuve then you would be right. Good god man, move on already. It's unbecoming.
You make great content man but it’s been 5 years. Time to stop beating this horse.
Marwin just signed with Japan so that's Why it's relevant
@@iTalkStudios yeah. Japan. Not MLB. It’s been 5 years. How bout you talk about your team that cheated to win in 2018 huh 🤡🤡
@@iTalkStudios Astros are your Daddy!!!!!! Hahaha!!!!!! Cry harder!!!!! Cry more!!!!!! These are for you baby girl 🍼🍼🍼🍼🍼🍼
@@memes_r_dreamz5280 yeah it is a little funny that he’s wrung trashcan gate for all that it’s worth but rarely (if ever) do we see any videos about his beloved Apple Watch using team and manager lolol
@@AstroNomics23 fr
Lol as an Astros fan I find it quite amusing that this Red Sox fan wants to talk about our past transgressions but not his own. Your own guy Cora got caught cheating and fired and got his own job back but u ain't trying to bring that up 🤣 I believe they call that being a Coward.
Why are we still talking about this 6 years later? Especially since numerous non Astro players have come out and said that the Astros weren't the only ones doing it. And these so called cheaters have only gone on to appear in 3 World Series' after 2017. Astros are just a great team and could go down as the most dominant baseball team of all time. Let it go man
We're still talking about it because every time someone mentions it somebody like you says "so-called cheaters" like they didn't absolutely cheat in one of the most shameful ways ever seen. There were other teams that cheated, but certainly not to the extent of the astros. Either way as an Astros fan I wish people like you would stop uttering this sentence.
@@cheyenne11114 BS, how do you know that other teams weren't cheating just like it in the article that broke the whole story open they a league source said that they were all cheating that it was rampant all through the league
That's right, because the team is, obviously, good you shouldn't continue to point out the, obvious, fact they cheated because.... well, fill in your own blank. You f'ing people .........................
Let it go man!! Dam!! Talk about the Yankees using it on the Astros in 2015 and the a Astros still beat them!! Or about how Beltran brought those ideas from the Yankees!! Or about how most of the league was using that crap since the late 80s. Unsubscribed!!
Every team cheats the Astros just got in trouble for cheating better whoopdy doo…
So I guess last places team cheat?
@@bigrich6075 late 70s/early 80d Mets stole signs with a camera and relayed form the bullpen. They never finished above .500 during that stretch.
White Sox stole signs from 55-89, they went to one WS and never accomplished much.
Y’all are so clueless, plenty of losers cheat.
Just cause they suck doesn’t mean they don’t cheat
The sad thing is not that he received the big contract from the Twins, but the fact that he kept other, probably more deserving players from getting a contract or a roster spot. Those other players that were playing honestly, without cheating, perhaps never got an opportunity in the MLB because the roster spot and salary were allocated to Gonzalez.
Sad the way MLB and Manfred handled this and needed a scapegoat in the Astros and forever painted some unfairly. Every team in baseball and most all players were pushing the evnvelope of getting an advantage and even some much much worse than the Astros but the stupid MLB fans of opposing teams needs a villain in the Astros and Manfred is mostly to blame for that.
Karma how the Astros team has used this injust hate against them to go to 4 world series and win 2 in a span of 7 years. The MLB thought they were going to shut down this "hick" team from Texas, and yet, the Astros have been the most visible team in the league. Way to go MLB!!!
Been saying this exact thing. Margo first tuve last on that list
Title of video should be “I like Altuve”
exactly
Cody Bellinger the dodgers marwin and proof dodgers cheated too. Every contending team probably has an anomaly player. Let’s see them stats
Dude start talking about the Yankees, Red Sox, …chose ALL teams CHEAT!!!
Oh brother, let it go man! The Yankees cheated, the Red Sox cheated, yet the Astros have been in 3 WS in the last 5 years! Altuve never cheated,but let the Yankee fans keep booing him and loudly cussing him, (with children everywhere-how low can you go?) Go Astros!!!
Crazy thing about it is that this dude legit stole money from the twins deceiving everyone he was good
Patrick Corbin is doing same thing with the Nats stealing money
@@bryson1482 thievery at its finest
@@bryson1482 Couldn’t believe seeing that dude get such a huge 6 year offer from the jays
It’s called free enterprise. You pay for what you may get, not what you will. This is like a shirt, but it’s a person we’re putting monetary value on this time. He did nothing wrong, he failed no physical. It’s their mistake.
I’m a lifelong Braves fan. Aside from one season where they made the WS with Clemens and Pettite (both cheaters, what a disgrace of an organization the Houston Astros have been for decades) the Braves beat on the Astros like a drum and when baseball gave them mercy, moved them to the AL and we finally saw them again we beat them in the World Series without Acuna (while Houston missed Verlander).
Anyways the point I’m making is that I’m pretty unbiased here.
It is funny though how you completely failed to mention Martin Gonzalez’s first season in Minnesota after he left Houston because the Twins do what the Twins do and overpaid a player for no reason.
Gonzalez had 15 HRs 55 RBIs in only 115 games while slashing .264/.322/.414/.736. His 94 OPS+ (100 is league average) is pretty abysmal but during the career year you mentioned.
Most players usually have one year that sticks out. Is it a coincidence that Gonzalez’s best campaign, by far, came during the cheating scandal? No. Is it a coincidence that he fell off so badly after Houston? Also no.
But you can’t make a video destroying him for cheating without mentioning that 2019 where he was obviously having a really good season.
That’s terrible journalism which is basically what your channel is: Journalism in 2023. I’m subscribed and I watch all of your video but you need to be better.
You said a whole lot of nothing
Makes me think about Jake marisnick too, haven’t heard much from him since
Never understood why Houston got so much prolonged hate. Many and I repeat many MLB players have come out and said that cheating in different forms (sign stealing, illegal substances for pitchers, etc) occurred with almost every if not every MLB team. Maybe Houston’s sign stealing was more elaborate than others and maybe it wasn’t but other teams including the Red Sox were stealing signs. It’s hypocritical to continue to slam the Astros yet turn a blind eye to other cheating around the league. I get it, if your team hasn’t been proven to cheat you have to and want to assume they didn’t but the fact that MLB players admitted that cheating is wide spread the right thing to do is move on from focusing on one team for something that happened 5 years ago.
No team in history has cheated like the 2017 Astros. The increase in OPS by the Houston Astros from 2016 to 2017: 1B Gurriel .677 -> .817; 2B Altuve .928 -> .957; SS Correa .811 -> .941; 3B Bregman .791 -> .827; LF Gonzalez .694 -> .907; CF Springer .815 -> .889; RF Reddick .749 -> .847; C McCann .748 -> .759. Utility Marisnick .588 - .815 That's an entire lineup with improved OPS from 2016 to 2017.
Five of the nine lineup players set CAREER highs that they never topped. It's insane. Nothing like that has ever happened in MLB history.
By contrast, of the regular players on the 2018 Red Sox team, only three improved their OPS over the prior year - Bogaerts, Benintendi and Betts - and only Betts had the best year of his career. Six of the nine regular players actually decreased. The 2001 Seattle Mariners, with the best record in MLB history, also only had ONE player (Bret Boone) who had a career OPS season.
You should also mention that his road splits were better than home that season. I think he kinda just went on a heater that year
Regarding the home-road dichotomy. You are starting from an early assumption - that the Astros must not have cheated on the road, because there were no trash can bangs detected in road games. The MLB Report, which everyone expected would reveal that the Astros cheated only at home, did not address the issue. The only factual finding of relevance was that the Astros cheated during the regular season and "throughout the Postseason" in 2017. In August of 2017, Kevin Goldstein, Astros Executive sent an email to their scouts to request ways in which they could steal signs from the crowd, rather than from a camera feed, which was an effort to refine their cheating away from Minute Maid (which they would not have needed such assistance because they were using the home camera).
“One thing in specific we are looking for is picking up signs coming out of the dugout,” Goldstein wrote in the message. “What we are looking for is how much we can see, how we would log things, if we need cameras/binoculars, etc. So go to game, see what you can (or can’t) do and report back your findings.”
If you saw Game 7 at Dodger Stadium, it was pretty clear that he was successful. Bregman stole THIRD for the only time in his life, and Gurriel, who averages the fewest pitches per plate appearance in the entire MLB over his career, has a THIRTEEN pitch at bat, casually sitting back on all off speed stuff and fouling it off. And, of course it was later confirmed by Evan Gattis that the Astros knew what Darvish was throwing on each pitch.
Of course they cheated on the road, and you'd better believe that after cheating all year, against teams like the White Sox that lost nearly 100 games, there were not going to stop cheating in Game 7 of the World Series.
What about all the hits Marwin got in games away from his home field. They couldn't cheat in away games. He hit a home run in the world series in the dodger stadium? This is not explained in the video.
Bregman was a rookie not sure how much you can blame him. Was he supposed to be a cop
Great Video. Now explain why Cody Bellinger & Christian Yelich both stink after their 2019 seasons, almost as if they were cheating as well. I mean it's pretty bad & can be compared to what you researched for Marwin G. I guess they caught the same bug as Chris Davis did. The "I have money now so who cares" bug.
yelich had back problems and belingers swing is just all messed up
The real truth is nobody talks about how the Yankees cheated. Even in 2022 with juiced balls. Still can't beat the Astros. 😂
Brother let it go!!!!! If you need a 5 year old story to stay relevant, then so be it. The Astros been kicking A and taking names before and after the scandal. All un-fact claims when you just pick and choose home runs or rallies in any game of 2017 is ridiculous! You talk about Marwin only because the rest of the guys are all still All-Stars! Why not NY and the OG's of cheating and steroids and paying fines for sign stealing in the same year???? Marwin was still one of the most solid utility players in the game for years. The guy now is at the tail end of his career. Let it go!! They've ONLY been to 3 more championship since then! Keep booing them.....
All mad your team got caught cheating 😂😂
@makiemmiller7543 this sport is so respectable truly the best sport and your despicable team ruined it for everyone for at least a year I’ll hate them forever and no everyone involved should have been banned from ever playing again btw this is coming from an orioles fan… not like we had a chance F the astros
How many world series since the cheating 1 lmao ur team is sorry get eliminated by the rangers 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 time to go back to cheating 😆 🤣 😑
ASSTROS ASSTROS ASSTROS! Clown boy
All the videos of Marwin were on the road.! Ironic?
Thats the funny thing, the numbers say the cheating didnt help
For top hitters like Springer and Correa it wouldn't really matter, but for someone like Gonzalez which is an carrer below average hitter it certainly helped to raise some ticks in his stats
Who cares ? Gonzalez is going to Japan !
He hit better on the road, as the team did in general. His ops was 60 points higher on the road. The couple months the bangs were happening he certainly used it the most. No doubt. But I think he just had a outlier season tbh that coincided with it. At least digging a little deeper seems to show that.
Altuve didn’t steal signs. Would you guys stfu about it already.
How many ALCS appearances and WS appearances to the Astros need for you haters to accept that they’re the best team in baseball?
Astros are #1
Let’s go Astros ❤
Asstros are dog shit, wrapped in cat shit.
Even as a diehard astros fan, I still wonder how Marwin gets a pass. He literally hasn't been the same, after the cheating stopped.
Fact the astros are the best team and organization in all of baseball period get over it lol
I call this guy a casual baseball fan. Only a casual still- goes on about this nonsense. Fact is, if you knew the game, you would know analytics assures most darn good players actually already know what pitch is comin. Out of what your typical four pitches most pitchers have in their arsenal, and in certain counts they know most of the time where that pitcher is in that count. Juan soto comes to mind because hes brilliant at this stuff. Like picking up on an opposing teams signs, that in itself is a game in a game. Watching juan work is truly something to enjoy. Care to know why they still cant hit it? Welp, sometimes its just out right speed but your biggest reason? Location. If you dont know where that balls gonna break, say on a curve, or dive, slider or straight land, all of the above- good luck hitting it. You cant relay that info. I dont care if you're using a watch, a trash can, lights in a scoreboard, booger picking, shifting your stance at second base, ect. 😂 It has laughable- LAUGHABLE- advantages yet here we are students of the game laughing at nincompoops like this guy still posting this drama, still pimpin this story about a team his team cant beat- thats the story. And all you whiners whose teams also cant beat em bought right into it- 😂😂👌 talk about CRINGE- simply put.. I got an idea... Beat em- good luck with that. Otherwise.. Stop whining and throwin shade at players you have like NO CLUE- their involvement.. Its played out and frankly makes all of ya look like not only novices of the game- BUTTHURTS- but lil girls who cant get over a grudge so ya gotta mean girl your way through life.. 😁
Got a discord notification while watching.
interesting!!! he hit .326 and had a .932 ops on the road that season (baseball ref). he actually hit better on the road... idk if they cheated on the road. thoughts?
Except it’s pretty well documented that altuve didn’t cheat.
Karma how the Astros team has used this injust hate against them to go to 4 world series and win 2 in a span of 7 years. The MLB thought they were going to shut down this "hick" team from Texas, and yet, the Astros have been the most visible and successful team in the league in said time span. Way to go MLB!!!
5 years and still on your mind 😂 cry
This was league wide. ALL TEAMS “CHEATED”. This was NOT just the Astros and this has been repeated over and over and over…. Let it go!!!
Banger. Thanks!
I see what you did there
Used to watch this guy all the time, if he keeps harping on this shit I’m gonna stop bc jeez dude get over it
Man I'm dead
True but we also gotta include Beltran Marisnick and Gattis
Funny coincidence...Beltran was in NYY in 2015 when they were 1st caught cheating in 2015
The Astros have proved that they can win without sign stealing
Yes, but some players on that 2017 roster did not
@@zikalokof1challenge414 that's their problem.
@@bitterbob30 When one guy doesnt have the same level of production as he had before, the entire team gets the blame, thats how it is, altough its not that fair
Yet it's the Dodgers that get the asterisk ✳️ for the '20 World Series win and a 60 game season.
Don’t forget Yuli won the batting title in 2021.
The racist Yuli? Oh, I have a long memory about that. Trust me. I remember.
@@TheManny717 the same Yuli that parked Kershaws shit when there wasn’t even a sign exchanged prior to that pitch.
@@TheManny717 Cry harder!!!!!! Cry more!!!!!! Yuli is your Daddy!!!!!! Hahaha!!!!!! Stay mad baby girl.
@@StrosB4Hos Pina power, baby.
Sorry I didn't wait for this guy to finish. He showed the banging graph. Altuve didn't cheat its right there people. Quit screaming at the guy. Btw we won again last year. Astros have some more for everyone next season without giving out a 11 year idiotic contract to anyone. Go stros!
I just want to say that I feel really bad for altuve. He didn’t cheat or at least didn’t want to. Look at footage and he wouldn’t get the trash can bang as much as everyone else.
people call yordan and peña cheaters despite yordan being in A ball and peña not even being drafted yet. some astros haters make themselves look dumb doing it. this is coming from a yankee fan too (though i don't hate the team, i moreso just hate the fans)
He benefited from having runners on base who were cheating, batters to drive him in who were cheating, and it is inconceivable that he was not given base running signs from coaches who knew off speed was coming. He knew this was happening and said nothing, received an award based on statistics partially accrued as a result of his teams cheating that, again, he knew about and said nothing.
He has the right to keep his mouth shut, but I'm not gonna feel bad for him that people think he's shady.
@@snerdterguson yeah judge deserved the mvp despite altuve having a really good season. snitching on his friends would be a morally grey area too
@@deadguy-kv4tw Yankees cheated as well so Judge is just as tainted for the same dumb reasons listed above.
@@bitterbob30 the yankees letter revealed that they tried stealing signs in 2015 (judge was in the minors) and 2016 (judge struggled) but alright lol
One problem with your theory is, as you said in this video, that the Astros won Game 2 of the 2017 WS, on the road IN DODGER STADIUM. (FYI, they also won Game 7 of the 2017 WS, on the road IN DODGER STADIUM.)
Since the sign stealing was accomplished by using a camera in the outfield to send video to a monitor in the dugout, then sending info to the batter via trashcan banging -- how did the Astros take over a camera in the Dodger Stadium outfield. then transmit its video to the monitor in the Astros' (ie, visitor's) dugout on the road??? No one can explain that, can you???
Marwin had a freakish great year in 2017, by the numbers you detail. It could be that simple to explain, esp when he had great numbers during road games, where the sign stealing system was impossible to implement. Other players have had a great year, then fail to replicate it in subsequent years.
BTW, the trashcan banging was/is NOT illegal -- the illegal part was using electronic means to steal signs, such a video camera, monitors, and/or the Apple watches (used by NY Yankees, Red Sox, & Dodgers).