Ok there is a lot of passion in here for So Mi, 1 this is just an opinion. 2 it’s a game there is nothing to win here 3 keep it civil Jesus it’s a game. 4 have fun because it’s a game. 5 I am right, you all are right. It’s the Schrödinger cat peeps. All things are true and all are false.
Maybe you provoked people with the title. You can make your points about her without being biased and implying that people favour her because they are in love or accuse redditors when many on there give good reasons as to why they side with her that have nothing to do with having the hots. Just a suggestion
@@Lucifer-bn1fz I was responding to a Redditor as they asked me to. Bias , who isn’t bias. I think my argument is mad tight. You can ignore the truth that is fine but saying facts are not facts is crazy. She calls V a friend, you don’t know her, you cannot trust her memories which are literally being corrupted by the black wall. A woman you never knew existed knows who you are, out of no where. And you trust her, if I walked up to you on the street and say trust me, you would look at me like I am crazy. 🤪 come on now! Better question is why do you trust her? There is a reason more people save Ashley in mass effect than what that’s guys name is…. Exactly even you don’t know who that guy is lol. She is hot for a lot of guys that’s all that matters they construct argument to defend what they don’t say. If we are being honest
@@Night_City_Vibes See complete bias. She calls V a friend AFTER they go through hell in cynosure and her memories aren’t corrupted whatever you see is either confirmed by Myers or Reed. I mean when you don’t even accept reality a convo is pointless.
They are not friends. Simple not bias fact, friends know where you live, do things with you, come hangout with you, you meet her what twice ? Lmao bro really. Nothing is confirmed Myers doesn’t talk about So Mi, and what does Reed say other than she was his responsibility. If I played all the times V talks to So Mi with only them together not talking about what So Mi needs the video would be exactly long as what I shared because I Capturd there only real conversation and it was what minutes long. They talk twice and never in person and only through whatever you want to call this mental telepathy. And the two times you are together you are killing a bunch of people together. My favorite mission is when you set her free, but she is still a villain. So how am I bias ? Or am I just the only one honest here. Yeah she was blackmailed into the NUSA, she was f ing around the black wall and got caught.
Depends on the player. SoMi was sus from the start. They all are. I think Alex is probably the best of them. She seemed caught in collateral damage with what happened when Reed was taken out.
As I saw it in terms of Role Play: Helping So Mi is the right thing to do, plus she's your boss. Working with the NUSA/Pacifica/Dogtown are just secondary objectives. Did V love her? By the end, sure. Did So Mi? It doesn't really matter, she has V's loyalty. To put it another way, if Songbird is a Villain, then V is the chief henchperson and goon.
She swears to V she told everything at her "special place". And then it turns out she lied. Reed is straightforward to V from the start. He wants to apprehend So Mi - he tells V. He promises to heal V from Johnny tumor - and he delivers. He doesn't even back down from V after that absolute massacre of NUSA special forces at NCX. I see many parallels between Songbird and Olgierd from Hearts of Stone DLC for Witcher 3. They both signed the pact with the devil and now try to escape from consequences. But were they really forced into it? Olgierd hit a streak of bad luck and decided he's smarter than the other guy. So Mi was straight up E-theif hunted by Militech and decided that FIA will be her safe harbor. They both literally brought their curses on themselves.
I agree, song bird clearly did not want to be in the NUSA, they leveraged her crimes against night watch to pull her into their agency. However, she is objectively a spy 🕵️, great observation on the hearts of stone DLC. I am actually finishing up my next essay. I think you might find it interesting on song bird and Silverhand.
It’s not about So Mi loving you and people need to stop bringing this weird edgy and lowkey incelish mentality into the conversation. She is someone that messed up at 19 exactly like V did with the heist at 23 and ever since they are paying the consequences of their actions. So Mi lies and betrays. V hijacks parades, and plunges NC into darkness giving people lethal implant failure, or unleashes a rogue AI full of people feeding her all those engrams without carrying about the consequences. They both do anything they can to survive in a world that doesn’t care about you. Taking the high horse and pointing fingers at So Mi when you role play as someone who isn’t any better is just hypocritical. And that’s why many sympathise with her.
It's not hypocritical to hold someone responsible for what they do. she is not 19, and she betrayed the one guy who was trying to protect her from Myers. Yes a lot of people love her character, heck I love her character, but you don't fall in love with a spy, this was response to all that incelish reddit nonsense that I was reading . I mean Jesus why is every woman character only valued though that scope. So Mi is a profoundly difficult character more akin to Johnny than V actually. Now I do expand upon her guilt in a more nuance and stronger defense in the Johnny dies for V video. yes not loving a spy isnt a reason not to help, her and I do say how do we reconcile with those who both harm and lie to us. thanks for sharing your thoughts I truly appreciate it.
The one guy you mean Reed? How exactly was he trying to protect her? Myers was Militechs CEO for years. They had cynocure going on where many Netrunnes that tried to penetrate the blackwall lost their lives. Reed recruited So Mi for that specific reason and convinced Myers that she was perfect for that. There is cut dialogue in the game files that confirms that and additional dialogue you can have with Myers about So Mi inside the safe house where she tells you that “Reed was right about So Mi. You don’t kill talented teenagers you help them make history.” Reed knew what was going to happen to her from the beginning that’s why he says when he first sees after all those years “they pushed and pushed and I wasn’t there to stop it”. He is aware of what happened without So Mi needing to explain anything. Yet he had absolutely no problem to hound her down and deliver her back to his master.
@@Arcane6745 he literally was the wall Between her and Myers. It’s clear the whole game. And when he is betrayed and exiled he loses that ability to protect her. It’s said literally at the very beginning of the game by the woman who owned the night club in dog town. The undercover agent. Look I am not here to argue with you. But there is some serious rewriting of history here. Yeah he knew and could do nothing about it because he was supposed to be dead in dog town. He is not talking about her being pushed and pushed while he was there. He is talking about the obvious fact that this is what happened that made her betray the NUSA. Come on man. Cut dialogue is like removed story lines in books and movies, you delete it because you are going in a different direction. That’s not evidence of anything but them saying this is not the story we want to tell. Using delete dialogue is like digging in the dumpster of your favorite book and realizing that the author had a different idea in the beginning but settled on a different direction.
@@Night_City_Vibes I’m giving you straight facts from the game files and in game dialogue and you keep insisting that your headcanon is the correct one. Alex whose name you don’t even know tells you that they could have gotten back to DC yet they chose not to do so. They were waiting for a moment like SF1 to happen so Alex can get her retirement and Reed his days of glory back. No one exiled him or forced him to stay in NC. Myers couldn’t care less about what he did. Whatever man I’m not here to argue with you either. But that’s the problem with Reed/NUSA apologist you fail to understand the story and then you fall back to the easy solution of calling people simps and brain rotten
@@Arcane6745 yeah ones they purposely left out because they were taking a different narrative direction. There is a reason they don’t show up in the game. If I said in a deleted edition of Harry Potter he was black, but she changed him to white. Does that make Harry Potter black. Of course not. You are building an argument on a narrative that isn’t cannon. You may be aware of deleted or removed dialogue- but others are playing the game as it is. I never said Reed was a good guy, but she sure did betray the person, she is a spy can yo trust anything she says. The answer is no. The NUSA sucks, Myers sucks, Reed is dumb ass. However, So Mi is a villain. So was thanos some people Think he was right. Doesn’t change that he was a villain. Bro you sure are assuming a whole lot. Where in my video do I that the NUSA is good or that Reed is good or that Myers is good?
I low key hate Songbird the most in all of Cyberpunk 2077. She literally cannot be honest with anybody that she talks to, and that is a character trait that I cannot get behind. I think if she was honest with V from the get-go, V (we) still would've ended up helping her. I betrayed Reed in my first play-through, but as soon as I got to know that she lied to me, I straight up handed her ass over to Reed. Got zero patience to deal with a liar
"You sure as heck don't fall in love with a spy!" Lonetree has entered the chat. But seriously, in night city the line between good guy and bad guy is extremely blurred to the point its nonexistant. Are you a nomad who doesn't want to be involved with the politics of NC? You're still going to waste a convoy of Militech 9 to 5'ers who just want to work a job and go home to their families. V is an edgerunner. They're in the game, so of course people will want to make them a pawn.
Honestly the Nomad wasting 9 to 5ers is some Dark ish, Night City forces you to survive, can you even be a good person in that kind of environment. crazy thing there idiots who want this life for us in the real world where corporations and unequal outcomes forces one to be just that monsters.
Ok there is a lot of passion in here for So Mi,
1 this is just an opinion.
2 it’s a game there is nothing to win here
3 keep it civil Jesus it’s a game.
4 have fun because it’s a game.
5 I am right, you all are right. It’s the Schrödinger cat peeps. All things are true and all are false.
Maybe you provoked people with the title. You can make your points about her without being biased and implying that people favour her because they are in love or accuse redditors when many on there give good reasons as to why they side with her that have nothing to do with having the hots. Just a suggestion
@@Lucifer-bn1fz I was responding to a Redditor as they asked me to. Bias , who isn’t bias. I think my argument is mad tight. You can ignore the truth that is fine but saying facts are not facts is crazy. She calls V a friend, you don’t know her, you cannot trust her memories which are literally being corrupted by the black wall. A woman you never knew existed knows who you are, out of no where. And you trust her, if I walked up to you on the street and say trust me, you would look at me like I am crazy. 🤪 come on now! Better question is why do you trust her? There is a reason more people save Ashley in mass effect than what that’s guys name is…. Exactly even you don’t know who that guy is lol. She is hot for a lot of guys that’s all that matters they construct argument to defend what they don’t say. If we are being honest
@@Night_City_Vibes See complete bias. She calls V a friend AFTER they go through hell in cynosure and her memories aren’t corrupted whatever you see is either confirmed by Myers or Reed. I mean when you don’t even accept reality a convo is pointless.
They are not friends. Simple not bias fact, friends know where you live, do things with you, come hangout with you, you meet her what twice ? Lmao bro really. Nothing is confirmed Myers doesn’t talk about So Mi, and what does Reed say other than she was his responsibility. If I played all the times V talks to So Mi with only them together not talking about what So Mi needs the video would be exactly long as what I shared because I Capturd there only real conversation and it was what minutes long. They talk twice and never in person and only through whatever you want to call this mental telepathy. And the two times you are together you are killing a bunch of people together. My favorite mission is when you set her free, but she is still a villain. So how am I bias ? Or am I just the only one honest here. Yeah she was blackmailed into the NUSA, she was f ing around the black wall and got caught.
@@Lucifer-bn1fz but honestly, real talk enjoyed this discussion. I know you don’t agree but that’s why I make these essays.
Depends on the player. SoMi was sus from the start. They all are. I think Alex is probably the best of them. She seemed caught in collateral damage with what happened when Reed was taken out.
You know you are right, Alex of all the players is the most non toxic of them all. That’s why I did my best to do the play through where she survives
Yo loving this video!
Thanks ,
As I saw it in terms of Role Play:
Helping So Mi is the right thing to do, plus she's your boss.
Working with the NUSA/Pacifica/Dogtown are just secondary objectives.
Did V love her? By the end, sure. Did So Mi? It doesn't really matter, she has V's loyalty.
To put it another way, if Songbird is a Villain, then V is the chief henchperson and goon.
@@RedShift323 haha love its chief henchmen’s. V got Harley Quinn’d
She swears to V she told everything at her "special place". And then it turns out she lied.
Reed is straightforward to V from the start. He wants to apprehend So Mi - he tells V. He promises to heal V from Johnny tumor - and he delivers. He doesn't even back down from V after that absolute massacre of NUSA special forces at NCX.
I see many parallels between Songbird and Olgierd from Hearts of Stone DLC for Witcher 3. They both signed the pact with the devil and now try to escape from consequences. But were they really forced into it? Olgierd hit a streak of bad luck and decided he's smarter than the other guy. So Mi was straight up E-theif hunted by Militech and decided that FIA will be her safe harbor. They both literally brought their curses on themselves.
I agree, song bird clearly did not want to be in the NUSA, they leveraged her crimes against night watch to pull her into their agency. However, she is objectively a spy 🕵️, great observation on the hearts of stone DLC. I am actually finishing up my next essay. I think you might find it interesting on song bird and Silverhand.
It’s not about So Mi loving you and people need to stop bringing this weird edgy and lowkey incelish mentality into the conversation. She is someone that messed up at 19 exactly like V did with the heist at 23 and ever since they are paying the consequences of their actions.
So Mi lies and betrays. V hijacks parades, and plunges NC into darkness giving people lethal implant failure, or unleashes a rogue AI full of people feeding her all those engrams without carrying about the consequences.
They both do anything they can to survive in a world that doesn’t care about you. Taking the high horse and pointing fingers at So Mi when you role play as someone who isn’t any better is just hypocritical. And that’s why many sympathise with her.
It's not hypocritical to hold someone responsible for what they do. she is not 19, and she betrayed the one guy who was trying to protect her from Myers. Yes a lot of people love her character, heck I love her character, but you don't fall in love with a spy, this was response to all that incelish reddit nonsense that I was reading . I mean Jesus why is every woman character only valued though that scope. So Mi is a profoundly difficult character more akin to Johnny than V actually. Now I do expand upon her guilt in a more nuance and stronger defense in the Johnny dies for V video. yes not loving a spy isnt a reason not to help, her and I do say how do we reconcile with those who both harm and lie to us. thanks for sharing your thoughts I truly appreciate it.
The one guy you mean Reed? How exactly was he trying to protect her? Myers was Militechs CEO for years. They had cynocure going on where many Netrunnes that tried to penetrate the blackwall lost their lives. Reed recruited So Mi for that specific reason and convinced Myers that she was perfect for that. There is cut dialogue in the game files that confirms that and additional dialogue you can have with Myers about So Mi inside the safe house where she tells you that “Reed was right about So Mi. You don’t kill talented teenagers you help them make history.”
Reed knew what was going to happen to her from the beginning that’s why he says when he first sees after all those years “they pushed and pushed and I wasn’t there to stop it”. He is aware of what happened without So Mi needing to explain anything. Yet he had absolutely no problem to hound her down and deliver her back to his master.
@@Arcane6745 he literally was the wall
Between her and Myers. It’s clear the whole game. And when he is betrayed and exiled he loses that ability to protect her. It’s said literally at the very beginning of the game by the woman who owned the night club in dog town. The undercover agent. Look I am not here to argue with you. But there is some serious rewriting of history here. Yeah he knew and could do nothing about it because he was supposed to be dead in dog town. He is not talking about her being pushed and pushed while he was there. He is talking about the obvious fact that this is what happened that made her betray the NUSA. Come on man. Cut dialogue is like removed story lines in books and movies, you delete it because you are going in a different direction. That’s not evidence of anything but them saying this is not the story we want to tell. Using delete dialogue is like digging in the dumpster of your favorite book and realizing that the author had a different idea in the beginning but settled on a different direction.
@@Night_City_Vibes I’m giving you straight facts from the game files and in game dialogue and you keep insisting that your headcanon is the correct one.
Alex whose name you don’t even know tells you that they could have gotten back to DC yet they chose not to do so. They were waiting for a moment like SF1 to happen so Alex can get her retirement and Reed his days of glory back. No one exiled him or forced him to stay in NC. Myers couldn’t care less about what he did.
Whatever man I’m not here to argue with you either. But that’s the problem with Reed/NUSA apologist you fail to understand the story and then you fall back to the easy solution of calling people simps and brain rotten
@@Arcane6745 yeah ones they purposely left out because they were taking a different narrative direction. There is a reason they don’t show up in the game. If I said in a deleted edition of Harry Potter he was black, but she changed him to white. Does that make Harry Potter black. Of course not. You are building an argument on a narrative that isn’t cannon. You may be aware of deleted or removed dialogue- but others are playing the game as it is. I never said Reed was a good guy, but she sure did betray the person, she is a spy can yo trust anything she says. The answer is no. The NUSA sucks, Myers sucks, Reed is dumb ass. However, So Mi is a villain. So was thanos some people
Think he was right. Doesn’t change that he was a villain. Bro you sure are assuming a whole lot. Where in my video do I that the NUSA is good or that Reed is good or that
Myers is good?
I low key hate Songbird the most in all of Cyberpunk 2077. She literally cannot be honest with anybody that she talks to, and that is a character trait that I cannot get behind. I think if she was honest with V from the get-go, V (we) still would've ended up helping her. I betrayed Reed in my first play-through, but as soon as I got to know that she lied to me, I straight up handed her ass over to Reed. Got zero patience to deal with a liar
I still have to do the ending where I side with Songbirg, but I realy dont want to cause I know that bitch is lying lol
@@MusaonYT same! Literally the same thing.
"You sure as heck don't fall in love with a spy!" Lonetree has entered the chat.
But seriously, in night city the line between good guy and bad guy is extremely blurred to the point its nonexistant. Are you a nomad who doesn't want to be involved with the politics of NC? You're still going to waste a convoy of Militech 9 to 5'ers who just want to work a job and go home to their families. V is an edgerunner. They're in the game, so of course people will want to make them a pawn.
Honestly the Nomad wasting 9 to 5ers is some Dark ish, Night City forces you to survive, can you even be a good person in that kind of environment. crazy thing there idiots who want this life for us in the real world where corporations and unequal outcomes forces one to be just that monsters.
@@Night_City_Vibes Sir, I want this in real life. I either want less corruption or more opportunities to take part in existing corruption 🤣
nah reed is hardly a person anymore, and she deserves at least freedom fron the NUSAs bullshit.
@@suruxstrawde8322 I just uploaded the next essay called Johnny Silverhand dies, but there is a Easter egg in there of the next essay on freeing SoMI,