I think it's genuinely cool that you had an actual talk with him. I think it helps bring more understanding from both sides. That aside, he needs to take back what he said about Madolche
@@igkewg just a one off comment roasting modern archtypes and uses Madolche as the "Dude, Cakes? We need themed baked goods instead of sea serpents and mermaids?"
I can understand his point on hat tho. I don't mind Madolche, but I hate Suships, for me it's the dumbest thing ever. I guess food based stuff is pretty hit or miss.
Farfa kept talking and Actman is just showing the camera, like, "look chat. Card." And we're like yes. We know. ...show us more please 🙏 It was endearing af.
There's also like 1% pointing things out like, "You said you never meant to imply this, but you literally said it in your video. You said you didn't try to cherry pick clips for your vid, then explained how you cherry picked clips for your vid. You said you didn't imply Yu-Gi-Oh was bad when the literal title of the video asked why Yu-Gi-Oh used to be good and what happened to it."
@@The_Big_Jay Well a title like "Why Was Yugioh SO AWESOME?! And... What Happened to it?" doesn't strictly imply anything negative honestly. I really do think you're looking into this deeper than necesary.
@@KreuzDrache Was is past tense, implying that it is no longer how he described it. Not only does English syntax support my interpretation, the average person reading it would assume he's asking why Yu-Gi-Oh is no longer awesome. He also makes points, many misleading and untrue, as to why he himself isn't into modern Yu-Gi-Oh and prefers "old" Yu-Gi-Oh, insinuating that the changes are bad for the game itself.
@@KreuzDrache The past tense of to be? As in, "Used to be"? That's the past tense of to be. "Why Yu-Gi-Oh used to be awesome?" You're just proving my point. I'm not looking deeply into it, I'm straight up just reading the title.
Honestly I like that you genuinely had a talk with the act man about his video. He seems very open to talk and a lot more reasonable than in his video. I’ve watched and really enjoyed some of his videos! He seems so interesting to talk to…
He gives off a totally different impression in this video than he does in his own. To a degree it's expected since in his own video he was hamming it up a bit, but it still feels like he went too far in his own video to play a character who didn't completely represent his own feelings, but presented it as if it was his own feelings, which was just a bad move all around and led to a lot of resentment
He needs to be shown how the deck operates, be forced to use it in a casual setting, and then fall in love with the deck. That's the character development opportunity here.
Anyone is entitled to find specific archetypes to be dumb. Thematically, Yu-Gi-Oh is like a free for all battle royalle, which is good in a way because everyone will find cards that they like. The consequence of it is that there will be a lot of cards they won't. There's no problem with that.
It sounds like the actman wants to play yugioh the way it way played in the anime. Like how Yugi ran original black luster soldier, magnet warriors, and buster blader. When in real life, running all that is basically asking for a bad hand.
Yeah, he loves the aesthetics a lot and I think he likes imagining the card interactions, which I'm guilty of myself. I think he'd genuinely enjoy a decent Goat/Edison/Tengu list. A lot of decks in retro, even good ones, had varying aesthetics. It's just a big ask to tell someone to seek out a retro format community vs a normal local or the Master Duel ladder.
@@nonifuji1566 I gotta say the first anime really poorly advertised how the game is played in real life. Most of yugi and kaiba's strategies were trash irl.
@@DiveBombRebel every anime until zexal is like that, and even zexal doesn't resemble the xyz era early on, it's only later in the show that characters make an xyz turn one
Well, that's what's nice about modern yugioh. You can play piles with tons of bricks in them but abuse powerful engines and starter cards to make it work and do some cool shit. I also really disagree with the whole "decks build themselves" sentiment, sure maybe exactly Ishizu Tear builds itself, but there was a ton of innovation with different builds of Spright, and before that all the different piles with adventure and whatnot. Not to mention the extreme thought and testing that goes into picking ratios and specific tech cards.
The most confusing thing for me when I came back to YuGiOh was understanding that “send” and “discard” sometimes mean the same thing and sometimes they don’t .
There's send, discard, destroy, tribute. Then there's also send as a cost or send as effect. Then there's also leaving the field, sent to the gy, send to the gy by card effect. All of which have their own nuances. It is super beginner unfriendly
@@Skasaha_ Yes, but the wording can mean they interact with other cards in a different way. Cards that send from hand to gy as cost can't be activated under Macro, while cards that discard as cost can. Cards that discard trigger dangers and dark worlds, cards that send from hand to gy don't. Although this has always been true, it's not just in 'modern' yugioh, it just comes up more often now.
ancient warriors would be a pretty cool deck for act man to play. the monsters look cool, they're really cheap, and they're actually not that bad vs. a lot of the top tier decks because it doesn't care about cards like shifter and the like. it even gets around mind hacker because the deck doesn't really rely on the extra deck (which also factors into the deck being so cheap). the deck is also really straight forward and easy to play as well.
I LOVE Ancient Warriors. More people should play them, especially older fans. They work like a deck from 2006 but beefed up to modern standards, and the extra deck can be whatever or just non existent since you run Pot of Extravagance anyways.
@@nicholaswalker757 explain what the backrow does. floats. explain what the searchers do. send cards to the gy. it heavily weakens the deck. it mained shifter because card good then.
My biggest disagreement with his video was complaining about archetypes. I was very similar, quit at GXX, got back in for Legacy of the Duelist, and archetypes were the single biggest factor in me being able to easily learn to play the new mechanics and quickly find new decks I liked. They simplify the game and if you like playing off-meta jank, archetypes are the reason bad decks like solfachord or charmers get to have busted support as long it's archetype specific.
Okay, I negate two cards with Coolia and target your monster for banishing with Beautia, only to swing with Beautia to card effect destroy it because another Coolia in my Pendulum zone. I unironically had someone let me do that against his sacred beast deck, and he scooped after he activated his Opening of the Spirit Gates only for the card to return with "negated effect". Funniest shit I've seen in a while.
@@Practitioner_of_Diogenes That's good too, but I was mostly thinking of solfachord elegance, a card that lets you set scales from the deck/draw 2 and would never be printed if it wasn't locked to an archetype, same for the spirit charmer's search 2, set 1 quickplay effect that's too good to be allowed generically.
@@DatAsuna Sorry, I didn't quite get you talking about good effects that are locked behind archetype specific restrictions. I was more caught up on calling Solfachord a weak deck. Is it meta? No, but it can still do some pretty wild things.
when i came back to yugioh archetypes were also my biggest complaint, until i realized that they were the biggest big brain idea they ever had. not only they simplify the game and consolidates cool artwork in a single theme, they make the game more diverse, we think of generic deckbuilding as endless possibilities, but no, everyone will end playing the same deck pile of broken cards. it's boring AF and that's how yugioh was for it's early years. also, they make power creep more discrete in a way, i mean, in MTG you have cards that are a direct upgrade over older ones, same card with better stats. in yugioh even if objectively better cards came out, they aren't a direct replacement and sometimes they miraculously work together really well, maybe even better than in their day. heck, not even retrains keep the same effects, each card has it's own quirks, and building around the synergies and limitations of an archetype is actually fun.
For the XYZ aspect, the reason XYZ monsters can't have levels is that then you could use any two XYZ monsters to make another. There's no issue of running out of XYZ material if some smoothbrain can just say "I'll overlay my two Utopias to make a third Utopia". It'd be a terrible lack of foresight and become UTTERLY disastrous as XYZ effects get stronger and stronger. Imagine Infernity overlaying two Lavalval Chains to make a third one, getting a third pitch from deck for free. Picture using Number 11 Big Eye to take a second Big Eye, using THAT to take another monster, then overlaying the Big Eyes to make Dracossack in the Dragon Ruler mirror.
Imagine using 2 enterblatnhirs to handloop, overlaying for a 3rd, then using teishula to handloop again and making vfd at the end As a vw player would be an excellent and balanced mechanic
Although instead of replacing levels with ranks, they could have just said you can't overlay xyzs. Although his complaint doesn't make sense when it comes to link monsters, since gravity bind wouldn't stop links1-3 even if they were levels.
As a certified Yugioboomer I really like xyz monsters. The fact that (for the most part) there’s an actual RESOURCE and limit to crazy good effects is awesome. I wish Synchro and Link were like that or at least way harder to get out.
It's clear ActMan just loves Yu-Gi-Oh as an IP and cherishes the nostalgic memories of how the game used to be, hence him saying he basically just plays playground rules duels with old decks with his friends. His takes on the competitive side of the game just seem ill-informed imo and you can tell he's approaching it from a position of 'the game has changed too much, to where it doesn't feel like the game i grew up with anymore' to one where he's actually knowledgeable about the competitive side of the game and understands the actual issues that are there. The interview was super chill though, glad you actually had a conversation to try and get his perspective.
Competive side of yugioh There's no competive side anymore, any and all of yugioh online content talks about meta There is mo competiveside of yugioh, There is just modern yugioh which a competive only game.
The moment he said that about Madolche, I knew people would go mad lmfao. On another note, I think we really need an alt format like the Master Duel events.
The thing is modern combo cards all require great, intrinsic knowledge of all of your cards beforehand so you don't play them wrong or you're aware of all of your options. So you can make the most of that one card. So it's a lot harder to just pick up and learn as you go. You can't really make it up as you go or learn the monsters as you go. So it's a lot harder to pick up a modern deck and play it and be like "Oh yeah, this is fun"
As a hard-core casual,this is exactly why modern yugioh isn't fun at all Iike the way that it's supposed to be, your not really using your brain during play at all, no real complications other than chaining
@@jarrellspencer9014 Well, you do use your brain a lot in modern yugioh. It's just....how things combo and play off of each other isn't as apparent. And you have to know ALL of the cards of the combo to see it in your head. You need to exactly what you need to grab from the deck. Exactly which cards are best sent to the graveyard, exactly in which order to bring our your extra deck monsters. How to build up to your BEST extra deck monsters. It takes a lot more than just reading the cards that are in your hand and making a strategy/board from that. Now, every archetype comes with its own two cards that act as hyper Gold Sarcophagus, because it comes straight to your hand with no wait time. Half of the boss monsters have a Solemn Judgment and Raregold Armor baked right into their cards on top of some other effect and having Blue-Eyes stats.
@@jerfuhrer2581 yeah but all that is surface level thinking. Any doofus can find the combo these days cause it's handed to them by the deck it's self. On top cheap hand traps and everybody looking up a recipe then copy-pasting, there's no original decks that can make it cause of Konami poor card designs/power creeping for marketing strategies. Before hand traps and helmet card design, trap card were viable and and deck building was an actual challenge. Teledad, frog ftk, gadgets( I can go on) weren't archetype based strategies but they required real finesse to play and pull off and none of it was handed to you like every deck does nowadays. And I understand that ingenuity leads to evolution so before I blame Konami for poor card design, I blame the degenerate that made certain things popular. They are the literal reason why every build runs twenty hand traps and brain dead oligarpalizing deck building.
@@thaariqbinaziz2821 sky striker is one of the biggest brain dead helmet strategies around. Farfa literally has a video dedicated to how brain dead its players are. Pulling of d/d/d does require finesse but it has never and will never be a meta contender for reasons I already stated
The issue with the Bad Reaction to simmochi… isn’t that it ftk’s… it’s that he plays a floodgate, and essentially passes turns while the opponent can’t attack, and says some decks are one sided and unfun to play against. (Granted you can destroy Gravity Bind, his floodgate, and now his life points are free to be attacked. But you also have options for cards to tech in against any deck.) Edit: Xyz do have a different Leveling system. It’s called the Ranks. Modern cards that do stuff with Levels mention “Levels AND Ranks.”
You can't tell me that you wouldn't get stunlocked when he flips rope of life on you and then flips COH to revive something he discarded. I'm not saying it's good, I'm saying it's based.
@@pablorosada9788 I'll give give him points for creativity, but that's a tall order. I'd be more understanding if that card combo was in a Blue-Eyes or Horus deck.
Legacy of the Duelist got me back into Yugioh after years. It actually teaches you the new summoning mechanics, how new archetypes work and somewhat nuanced rulings like missing timing etc.
Master Duel teaches these things too, just no one actually goes to solo mode and play Duel Training, because they would rather complain about the game being complicated instead of learning 2+3 = 5 or two 4s make a rank 4, truly complicated stuff.
The fact you can't order simultaneous effect in the chain make the game really questionable as a teaching aid, at least master duel lets you control those.
@@KanetheSpaceWolfliterally. I see a lot of yugi boomers complaining that they don’t understand the new summoning mechanics when all of them are literally kindergarten level math, it’s not that hard.
The summoning mechanics are so so so so simple, you learn them in 5 minutes each. When people complain about them as if THAT's what makes the game impenetrable, I just give up on that person because they clearly have no interest in actually learning, so they're just whining for sport. Summoning mechanics are nothing compared to just how complex archetypes play now, it's all the complex, non-linear combos and interactions between every card of the decks that you need to intimiately understand to even FUNCTION with a deck, then there's the matter of learning whatever BS the opponent is playing against you... THAT is what makes Yugioh hard. It's not god damn link summons.
Only thing i cant stand is the Madolche diss. It was the deck i used in locals and tourneys. It was the deck that got me back into yugioh tcg since the last time was me playing my friends in school (who we all knew the actual rules). Madolche is godly
It's funny ActMan mentions dzeeff's why nobody plays videos. Those were what got me interested in the game again about 4 years ago in Jan 2019, followed shortly by me buying the Japanese version of Link Evolution and then buying a few structure decks to play with my friend who I also got back into the game.
I think it kinda invalidates the point of "You can play what you want, this is all just my takes" when he follows it up with "That's fine, I can still play the cool cards" like it doesn't just directly shit on what everyone else finds enjoyable. "Oh yes, you can like Pendulum, Link, whatever but I'm the one playing the cool way"
Few people online with an opinion want to actually argue. They want to say their piece and leave so that if you press them on their shit logic they can say, "Why are you getting so serious bro? It's just my opinion. You can't argue against that." Yes, I can argue against your opinion. That's the nature of opinions.
"I don't like when a deck is predetermined by Konami, that's why I play my Umi deck, where I put in all the cards that say "Umi" on them in the deck, now THAT's deckbuilding *sips*
The thing about power creep is that Yugioh had power creep from day one. You start out a deck with La Jinn and Battle Ox. Then you get 7-Colored Fish and you get rid of the Battle Ox. Then you get a Vorse Raider so you get rid of La Jinn. Then you get a Gemini Elf and get rid of the Fish. It's just way more noticeable when you leave for years and come back.
Honestly, I don't even dislike the actman's video because of his opinions or anything, but at least he should've properly researched the topics he was covering. Like, if you make a full on video essay about a card game - with what honestly feels like a lot of work put into it - you should at least look at the different aspects of it properly, such as competetive, casual, different formats and quite literally at least a single modern match instead of ignoring them completely or simply spitting uninformed takes.
Yeah his video was badly researched. Don’t know why he pretends to know more than he lets on. It’s okay that he plays casual at best and it’s an opinion piece but it’s important to know the game from all sides despite your feelings on it if you want to have an actual good discussion. My biggest gripe with some of his video is that a lot of the facts he spits out is just false.
ActMan might actually like Zombies, the main deck at least. You've got a couple of 3 ofs but also a bunch of 1 ofs and a couple 2 ofs, edgy artwork, and you do have an old-school card or two thrown (Mezuki, Zombie World, Gozuki). It's a fairly complex deck tho (nonlinear) and the Extra Deck plays a huge role
@@darkira2129 I hope you are kidding. There are many ways to send the zombies you want to the graveyard. Even staples like Forbidden droplet help with that.
@@kichiroumitsurugi4363 what happen if it get ashed? Or worse veiled or imperm? The only zombie that kinda good if you can send 1 in your turn is the glow-up bloom, but only if you have zombie world... zombie need more than 1 card in graveyard.
A bit of a point when it comes to deck building: there's still room in this game to develop cool deck combinations even if they're not what everyone's running. Like, i wouldn't consider PUNK Twins to be the best Evil Twins variant (let alone the best PUNK variant), but it runs pretty well for the most part. Although, I do think Dinomorphia BA is the best Burning Abyss variant. Hands down, its one of the best deck lists I've come up with. Cicada King is awesome BA support as well.
Honestly this. it's very fun smashing two archetypes together to see what they do lol. one abomination that had no right to work as well as it did was ogdoadic/zombies lmfao only the light lvl 4 ogdo card cares about reptiles on field or grave as it locks you into reptiles only while it's on the field but beyond that the two decks complement eachother surpricingly well as ogdoadics provide much needed plan b plays as well as general support like stealing opponents cards and drawing.
@@EnRandomSten I do that shit with thunder dragons in master duel. My absolute current favorite is dragon link TD with a rokket engine, but I've also crafted branded thunder dragon, mekk Knight thunder dragon, crystron thunder dragon and am working on a Blue eyes thunder dragon. They are not really good, but it's just fun to see like a minor synergy (for example crystron sulfefnir can pop a dragondark if you have it on the field) and try to build a deck around it.
@@rrakea That's true, but at least mandatory cards change with the format. Hell, Ash wasn't even good during Ishizu Tear format. In this format, Droplet is kinda mid because of Book of Eclipse (which just plays around Droplet in most cases and always plays around Dark Ruler). I'm having to play Evenly and confiscation cards like Change of Heart or what have you to compensate.
One of the points that I personally disagreed with that was bought up almost exclusively in this video is the power levels, while it isn't as huge as ActMans Bad Reaction deck, it's more like Vendread or weird Branded decks against the newer decks that exist, like Runick Spright and Kashtira, the only thing that we gentleman's out of are out of archetype floodgates like Shifter and Lancea. I still find it fun to do but maybe I just play with an optimistic disposition.
I feel like it’s a situation where his entire argument could be summed up by: “game has inherent issues, it’s not for everybody, if you don’t like modern; play an agreed upon format/era with ur friends”
I would point more towards than among the big 3 TCGs, YGO is the one that requires more specific knowledge and it's more difficult to navigate only on paradigms. Or if you want it worded in a more positive light, YGO is the TCG that rewards players the most, the more time they invest on learning more cards. Some will be proud of it, but it is a barrier for casual/semi-casual, to whatever extend one can only give X hours of their time.
Great Idea with the Interview, I am back at Yu-Gi-Oh since Master Duel starts and I become Day to Day better with Combos and Interactions, Top Decks are also really good for beginners (Spright, Swordsoul, Despia are all easy in the Basics but hard to Master).
I think the best way to introduce somebody to modern yugioh isnt to give them a meta deck or a floodgate/stun deck, but rather something like witchcrafter/zombies. These decks revolve around a powerful boss monster (verre/bladeroch) and most of the other monsters facilitate summoning them, as well as providing a certain utility. So you could easily just teach someone how to get to their boss monster and then while they practice they will naturally learn about card advantage and the most effective way to do your combo through minor changes. Then after that you could introduce them to the extra deck and have them learn about all the utility that provides. These decks also have to room facilitate any generic spells/traps the new player would love to run.
Id love to agree, but a lot of decks outside the top revolve around or use a floodgate to pace the game in one form or another. zombies generally tend towards gozen/rivalry/skill drain/ zombie world, which is ok, but also if thats "interaction" to people then idk what to say
Those were my first decks and I have them both in paper .... I wouldn''t recomend them as starter decks tho (unless the person likes the look of them) as they are incredibly weak to interuption, something that is a part of the modern game. you get the wrong idea of how the game works when you play with such decks and you can pretty quickly develop a sense of hopelessness against other decks. I'd also argue that both those decks need the extra deck to even function, vice manster for witchcrafters and vampire sucker for zombies. They are fun as hell tho when you've played the game for a while and know how to disrupt opponents and when to commit etc.
Floodgates are very optional. Playing through interruption is something you're not going to do as a new player anyway. Obviously you're supposed to have him practice somewhere where they would face people/decks of similar skill/power, like master duel or something
@@habo249 Past a point floodgates are not optional. None of these decks last against stronger decks without floodgates. I took a brief look on masterduelmeta (not the hallmark of competitive play, but its fine for masterduel) and the first 10-12 lists of each of the popular zombie strategies and witchcrafters all ran floodgates in larger or smaller numbers. Why is that? If every list is doing it, is it really optional? Or is it because they have no choice when facing better decks? Playing through interruption happens doubly on masterduel with maxx C legal and called by the grave at 2. Interruption isnt just borreload savage, baronne or appolousa. I agree with what you're trying to say, but going about it this way just doesnt help them if they want to play beyond hyper casually (which is fine too, I keep one for that myself in geargia). Its fine to not have them start with kashtira or the like, but there is a long way from kashtira to something like witchcrafter. From my experience teaching people, theres a lot of things they just will not come to understand without external resources, card advantage and the like especially.
So the actman just puts random sh*t together and sees if it works? He would've really liked the Kitchen Sink/BASED piles from last year. lol I guess a deck he would also really like is dragon link since that also was exactly that since the beginning of it's creation. I btw also like how he calls MBT, "The MBT".
@@bl00by_ true, but for so little and they are still an easy deck to play that doesn't have that many unique mechanics. I would definitely not recommend dragon link as a first deck, it's pretty complicated, maybe some more linear deck that he also likes the art of
@@iradidrago7010 His best bet is despia. It's edgy and stream lined. And since branded fusion is so busted he can play it with everything he wants. He could play it with Shaddoll, Predaplants or even Eldlich.
the one big thing i think yugioh needs to sort out is card text bloat, like, the card text on the new Dark world fusion is insane for a card that only really says when your opponent activates a card effect, you can change it to be your opponent discards a card and when this card leaves the field, reborn a grapha from your graveyard.
@@JumboBog320 well if that's what he tried to do it certainly doesn't come off that way, and the title also doesn't present it as such It also doesn't help that his arguments use custom cards, misread cards, cherry pick cards, use out of context clips, lack context sometimes or contradict themselves
@@JumboBog320 He makes a lot of generalizations about 20 minute turns, and cards with 8 different effects when the majority of not only Modern Yu-Gi-Oh, but Competitive Modern Yu-Gi-Oh don't do that, and the majority of cards have 2 effects max, minus some Boss monsters, which is usually forgivable. He's making critiques about things that aren't true/aren't a problem, and if he got into the new stuff, he'd know that.
I always thought xyz monsters had ranks so you could "chain xyz-summon" back in the day. Konami probably didn't want you to overlay a dracosack and dragonruler into big-eye. Similarly, the link mechanic couldn’t really work with levels, since a level 3 a level 1 main deck monster could easily lead to summoning firewall.
Why would links have to use the synchro machanics of adding the levels? Why would the levels of the materials have to interact with the level of the target?
Was browsing kids shows on TV and noticed they were doing a rerun of dubbed Yugioh Zexal (I don't know why they would make this awful business decision). I then proceeded to pirate the subbed version and binge watch it. Ever since then, Zexal became my new favorite Yugioh series and I started playing Onomats in Master Duel and Duel Links. I don't agree with most of Act Man's opinions since I think modern Yugioh is much better than the game it once was that was mostly enjoyable due to childhood imagination. Overall, Yugioh is very important to me and many others then and now for many different reasons. P.S. give subbed Zexal a chance, it's a lot better than people make it out to be.
Imo zexal is by far the best out of the first 5 animes, won't compare it to vrains and later since I haven't watched them Unlike other protags yuma actually isn't a mary sue and grows as a duelist And most characters show a lot of character development, way more than the other shows Also it not really following the classic protagonists-best friend-rival structure made the story more interesting
This was an interesting video. I think the most disappointing thing for me was that Farfa was willing to divulge in the Act Man's topics but whenever Farfa would bring something up, the ActMan would change the subject or not fully pay attention. I get that what Farfa and the ActMan like about Yu-Gi-Oh differs, but I also don't think that the conversation was well balanced.
@@ONIGIRIKINGU I like the ActMan and I've seen him on video podcasts and I can confidently say that the way he acted Farfa's stream seemed so disinterested and unwilling to take part in any conversation he wasn't invested in. It was pretty frustrating to watch because he hasn't acted this way in the past. Edit: Granted most podcasts he's on, he's a guest and the topic pertains to him, so it's reasonable he's more invested in those other ones.
You are not entitled to someone giving you proper answer. He say it himself he casual. He doesn't know much compared to someone like farfa. Dumb fucking idiots
@@jrpgnation6375 he dont have to know much but him not even fully explaining the reason he stated is wrong with the game shows how dumb he is. Imagine being so bumb that he cant explain shit he mentioned and have dick suckers like come defend him. How pathethic is he
@@izaiahsundquist6877 Yeah he came off a bit egotistical in the video to me. Like it’s okay you’re a casual but don’t pretend that you know more than you actually do. Didn’t seem like he was willingly to learn but was rather put off by farfa teaching him about the new stuff in yugioh. His og video was just badly researched.
Probably one of the more enjoyable discussions. Even if someone never saw his video I think someone can just sit down here and enjoy this. Blends in the modern and old school perfectly since he’s aware of the new and still chooses the old school without bashing it like people thought he was trying or any old school focused player “does.” Fun concept would be modern non meta decks with old school splashes like the new manticore card that uses fissure and big bang shot.
Hold up.... farfa said there was no innovation in spirit... like wut there are like 20 different variants (with significant changes). Yes you need to run cards of an archetype to play the archetype
Thought the take was pretty bad too. Even if it's correct, oldschool deck building was also the same ~20 staples and then some other room to tinker around.
For links and XYZ, the fact they don’t use levels is integral to their mechanics. Imagine if you could just overlay two level 4 XYZ monsters together for free without any special effects. And link climbing is a big part of links. I understand the confusion but it is a balancing thing and representative of the mechanic
But why shouldn't we allow for using two Xyz to overlay if they were levels? I don't think it would break the game. Same thing with links, you could attach the climbing ability just to the type of card and it's level, not the Link rating and it would still work. Synchro summoning with an Xyz and a Link monster would be as awesome as Xyz summoning with a fusion and a Synchro. I think the reason they did this way though, is because it would conflict with the pattern of low level monsters having weak attack/effects (even though it's still debatable).
@@shina4229 a monsters lvl determinates 3 things rn, 1.whether it can be normal summoned wirhout tribute 2. What can you syncro summon with it 3. What can you xyz summon with it (It also determinates whether it can be pendulum summoned but nobody plays pendulums so who cares) The level doesn't mean much in terms of a cards power(for battle and it's especially irrelevant for it's effects)
Even if the act man's video did leave a sour taste in my mouth, I have to say that seeing him just enjoying talking about yugioh and being super proud to show his cards is really sweet. I still think that his video doesn't really do a great job of potraying the modern landscape of yugioh (something I thought would have been doable with the collaboration of farfa, doug and slaydra), and, while it wasn't probably what he intended to do, his video is just so much bigger than the average yugituber's that I'd feel bad if someone turned down a chance to play yugioh just because they got that video as their first impression. It's not necessairily act man's fault, I think he genuinely likes the game; but it's just that same feeling I get when I watch a game journalist review my favourite game, but they skipped half the cutscenes, did not understand some major mechanics of the game and only played 30 hours out of a 150 hour campaign. At the end of the day it's his opinion, and I'm just sad that there isn't a video as big as his that transmits the passion I have for the game (mbt's pretty close but I'd like for a video like that to go beyond yugitube). So yeah, hope the act man doesn't get too bad of an impression from the yugioh community lol
Xyzs were meant to balance out older aspects of the game while they figure out how to break the game in new ways obviously. Back then things like Gravity Bind and Level Limit Area B were limited so something incompatible with them excuses them off the list. Pot of Avarice was also warranting list attention because Synchros spent 3 years turbo-ing through the GY to make plays, so Xyzs attach and release to the GY in a slightly slower manner. Before Synchros, it was less common to see effects purely modifying Levels or deciding what to revive to fill X number of Levels. Then came Xyzs and they went for modding higher Levels (Synchro era cards had a hard time getting 2 Level 5s or 2 Level 7s without the effort being worth wasting on a Rank 5+ monster). This taps into new territory, and by the end of the Xyz era you had decks that could slap 5 Level 10s on the board. Similar with Links, Book of Moon was "the swiss knife of Yugioh" for most of the game's history but now it couldn't affect them (though the main reason behind not having positions is they didn't want arrows to be so flexible that they'd easily change orientation by putting the card sideways). Ranks were made exclusively for Xyzs so a brand new mechanic having them would feel more derivative and less fresh. When the game seems to not have a weak angle to grow new support directions from, they create some new measuring method (Level/Rank/Scale/Rating) and go from there. I think that's more or less the theory behind it.
You know thank you for actually having a conversation with someone of a vastly differing opinion of the games state right now. I have always stayed hovering around yugioh, jumped in and out of formats but never really dropped it, right now im hoping back in after having only spectated for a good long while (thank god i missed ishizu tear), but I tend to have a lot of frustrations with the game that I share with the older players in the game, as I started with starter deck yugi/kaiba format. Its nice to see other opinions of it at least given room to breath. (also side note, not every yugiboomer thinks goat is best, I happen to love synchro and xyz era yugioh, you know outside of winduplooped hands.).
"I'm a hardcore casual, I know really well what i like about the game and i don't care about the new stuff" well these are sure a lot of words to say Yugiboomer.
Sometimes when I'm watching my opponent play turn one solitare for 15 minutes because I didn't draw any interaction cards, I dream about the yugiboomer days. Makes set and pass seem rosy red.
@@radandpaisley I've never liked the t set passing formats. Like, okay you don't have to wait 15 minutes for your opponent's turn, but the match will not be shorter. The match will still last 20 minutes because you have to t set passing for 20 turns until someone draws BLS. The amount of skill required to play those kinds of formats is literally under 0.
Literally me a majority of the time. Kashtira and, when it was at the height of its power, Tearlaments doesn't quite interest me. Labrynth, on the other hand? That shit I'm interested in.
@@radandpaisley Ahh yes I too miss magical scientist FTK and Dark armed dragon tier 0 and a time when anime decks like dark magician and blue eyes were unplayable
@@L1nk2002 To further add onto BLS that's literally what most of Old Yu-Gi-Oh was just two boring Chaos decks fighting over and over again with very few differences in deck building because everything else was bad
My homie needs Fencing Fire Ferret for Bad Reaction and burn. :) The gameplay of "weird shit I like" is a much more fun way to play than the competetive vibe, and that was the real goal I got from the ActMan vid.
Except that modern Yu-Gi-Oh doesn't have to be competitive people have shown this time and time again and in fact modern Yu-Gi-Oh actually revives casual decks by making them actually playable. Act Man doesn't even aknowledge this once.
@@Honest_Mids_Masher "except that modern yu-gi-oh doesn't have to be competitive" My dude, you're the very first person to look down on anyone who disagrees with being competitive. If someone mentions liking GOAT, you are the first one to go "but yata lock". F you and F off.
Legacy of the dullest has a far better solo mode than master dual hands down without question. If they just copy and pasted that in master duel every solo player would be happy. Granted the mechanics and master dual are always going to be better than legacy of the dualist. Doesn't mean the solo mode isn't better.
True 👍 my only complaint with L.o.t.d. is lag, and more music variety. You know the ones 😫 some of them sound like the magic school bus tune high on angel dust, giving a xylophone a reach-around. But in a bad way.
Yes but no, solo mode in legacy of the duelist just has more content currently and goes through the anime. Master duel solo mode is a different spin compared to majority of yugioh games. It's main focus is to give you an idea on how an archtype works while giving an entire background on them. People tend to prefer master duels solo since it tends to give them a new experience through story telling while teaching you how to play a deck. While on legacy of the duelist you need to play jank story decks or craft your own. Which to new players is fine, but to veteran players is just painful since legacy of the duelist decks are down right awful. Plus they've most likely seen the anime anyway. So there wasn't much That legacy of the duelist offers compared to previous yugioh game entries that made it enticing to play.
I’m glad some of these things were addressed, but there’s still a lot that runs me the wrong way. He says everything he said will apply to someone buying a starter deck fresh, but that’s not the case, someone starting fresh will have whatever’s going on currently in the game as their expectations, not nostalgic playground Yugiboomer content. The thing about archetypes put a bad taste in my mouth too, because I like how archetypes have themes that work together. Even so, most archetypes save for some have a lot of flex room. I love Ancient Gear, and I can think of 5 different ways to play that deck, not to mention all the other Earth-Machines you can splash in to vary up your own style. By far the biggest thing is his edge lord taste. C’mon dude, yes I play a war machine deck, but I love the fun wacky and even sometimes cute variety this game offers. I like watching cute furry animals and dolls as much as I like seeing aliens fight demons or super heroes fight wizards. (Hates Madolche yet loves Hungry Burger). On that note, he’d probably dig an Unchained deck. Overall, I’m glad he’s making an effort, though I think there’s still a lot of flawed undercooked thinking behind this (he’s making Sykkuno look good). Shame to because I think Farfa’s right in that new perspectives are great and super helpful, but they need to be informed and thought out. Good news is, it can only get better on both sides from here. Glad you guys will be playing a few rounds.
I think the issue with yugiboomers is that they want to play a game that is not YGO. They think it's YGO, because that's what they've seen in their anime and that's what they played in their school lunch tables, but actual YGO is, and was, much different. Most of his takes are bad precisely because of that. He's unwilling to accept that what he wants to play/use is either outdated or just plain bad, or he's unwilling to understand the deeper level of the game (even things that did exist back in the day, like non-targeting effects). There's nothing bad in wanting to play in a different way, but when you blame the game for issues you created in your head it's where you're wrong. Like, cool, you have your pet deck that you built yourself and you want to play it in current formats, but you can't tell me with a straight face that you put Dark Blade in it just for funsies and then proceed to make an entire video saying that the game in its current state is bad. What do you expect, you're playing a deck that looks like it was built by a 11yo against people that deck build for much stronger matchups, of course you're gonna get curb stomped. I like to deck build my way too, I love to play jank or rogue strategies, but I don't get mad at the game as a whole when I lose. This happens a lot in Pokémon as well, the rpg not the tcg. Guys that show up with just their favorites in their team, with minimal to no knowledge of ev training or breeding, picking up moves that they thought were cool instead of choosing useful moves, then getting immediately bodied by any decent UU team, and they always blamed the game for it. Thing is, the game was never played that way they played, at least not beyond 1999 or so. Also, the Madolche take is so stupid. Silly monsters were always a thing since the beginning. They weren't as "moe" as Madolche are, but that's because moe was not really a thing back in YGO's beginnings. And even then, what's wrong with some silly and/or cutesy monsters? Is not like that's only what's been printed, you still have your cool edgy dragons and spellcasters.
Dude, just calm down. What he chooses to play WAS Yu-Gi-Oh! That's how the game began! If you woke up tomorrow and found different clothes in your closet or wherever, you would say they aren't your clothes. Silly analogy, but it gets the point across. What we liked about the good old days is gone. Never coming back. But that was and still is where Yu-Gi-Oh shines brightest for so many players! "I think the issue with [yuginewmers] is that they want to play a game that is not YGO. They think it's YGO, because that's what they've seen in their [YCS] and that's what they played in their [university safe spaces,] but actual YGO is, and was, much different." Good day to you!
@@wickd6878 Sorry dude that was not Yu-Gi-Oh Old Yu-Gi-Oh was just a bunch of chaos decks fighting to see which was the best. Then it went into other forms of meta involving hand control due to cards like delinquent duo and the like and then it went into FTK madness and then Dark armed dragon tier 0. What you're thinking of is not Yu-Gi-Oh but a lunch table card game in which people hardly know the rules. The good old days was just playground Yu-Gi-Oh I doubt many of the people who actually enjoyed the good old days actually knew the rules. As for many saying that old Yu-Gi-Oh was the best many would say the same towards modern Yu-Gi-Oh. Modern Yu-Gi-Oh honestly has more casuals and casual element's in the game than old Yu-Gi-Oh could ever hope to have. Casual decks are actually playable. You can ACTUALLY PLAY Blue eyes, Dark Magician and much more because Konami actually releases support for them.
it's so funny when you'll just like be talking to him and he gets up and grabs something to show you like "look at my blue eyes :)" and you're just like "as I was saying..."
Farfa was probably the worst person for this or the easiest interviewer to address all the problems from his video. I watched farfa’s rewatch of actman’s video and he was basically an actman sympathiser, defending pretty much everything actman said about yugioh
"A lot of research went into that yugioh video." Apparently not enough to understand why cards NEED that much text because of keyphrases or how to play anything more complex than Simochi burn.
I think the Main reason the video got so much hate is how the title is phrased "why was Yu gi oh so awesome" makes some people think that you are saying it isn't awesome at all anymore, and thus they change to defense position.
Talking with this guy reminds me of talking to anyone just starting to get back into old school yugioh, or just finding their old cards. You're trying to talk about yugioh and maybe throw in ideas about new stuff, and they just flash Gravity Bind and other irrelevant cards lmao.
"I didn't intend to imply modern competitive Yu-Gi-Oh was bad." Literal title of the video: 'Why *WAS* Yu-Gi-Oh so good??!?! And what happened to it..?' ActMan, I love you like a brother, but come on dog.
To be fair, I don't necessarily think that the title implies that modern Yugioh is bad. It can be read like someone who enjoyed the game 10-15 years ago, and is now jumping in to see how the game has changed since then.
you can get this same effect by playing rogue decks, i made a somewhat competitively viable deck with junk synchron and F.A. and it’s so fun to play, but its also modern its very easy to make a competitive deck that is also fun to play, you dont have to play meta, rogue decks still work, maybe not as well as meta but who cares you don’t have to always win
Rouge decks make yugioh so much more enjoyable. Sure I COULD play meta like everyone else but that's boring. Right now I'm playing Magnet Warriors, Vampires and Dark Magician and I'm having a blast. Throw in some staples and it's a grand ole time
There is a lore reason why xyz and links don't have levels, the xyz reason is more flimsey than the link reason. They are: Xyz - they from another reality via a black hole. So they don't work the same way other extra deck monsters do. Link - they're computer programs (also the reason why they're mostly cyberse). As computer programs, they aren't "real" flesh, blood, and metal based monsters and therefore don't operate the same way. Also the reason why they don't have defense - as they aren't actually alive (OG card design considered the defense value as analogous to both tankiness and a monster's health).
I learn more and more how great my high school was, it was a magnet school so like glee but in the hood. Up till 11th grade we played Yu-Gi-Oh at lunch and I don't have a single memory of even being looked at funny.
I think the whole fake yugioh card situation in that it just blends in with real yugioh cards is just a little dumb as it goes back to even stating he did his research but didn’t bother to double check on the yugioh database if that card was real? Just feel like he made a misstep
I'm at the start of the video and I have to say "It'd just my opinion" is not really a defence of the act man video. I get that he is just sharing his experience but you are still making statements about things and putting it in a video to share to an audience. Your opinions can still be judged and criticized, you opened yourself up to it by uploading a video. It's like if I upload a video on why the earth is flat and how I think that if you sail in a direction long enough you will fall off and die. If anyone tries to address anything about it I'll just tell them it's my opinion and my view on the subject. Either actually make a defense of your opinion or admit to the faults in your video, "this is just my experience and you can have your own" does not absolve you of all responsibility.
@PharoTalon not very serious, taking responsibility can have various interpretations. I mean if you are going to go and explain your video and respond to criticism, just saying how it's your opinion and also that you were only pretending to be a boomer does not absolve the mistakes made in the video. Either justify your arguments or admit to your faults. It would be far more respectable than what actually was said in this video.
@@FlyXcur I did. No he did not. He explained things off as either his opinion oh him "pretending to be a yugiboomer to show the perspective" without addressing any of the major criticisms. I'll give one example: in the original video he mentions that if you took a hiatus from the game and went to locals with your deck from 10 years ago, you would get destroyed by the current decks. No shit, there isn't a constantly updated game around right now that you could jump back into with the knowledge and resources from a decade ago and not get absolutely shafted. And he presented that as an argument that something has gone wrong with yugioh. Just so people understand I was that yugiboomer at one point, I am well aware that the game has major flaws and is far from ideal. But making inaccurate arguments is still an issue.
@PharoTalon "I beat my friends with my deck so the game is absolutely fine." If there are any logical fallacies, they are yours. You can 100% be criticized for your opinions if there are arguments against it. The only time you cannot be argued against is when you say I like or dislike something, because people cannot dictate your preferences. As soon as you have arguments for or against something, you can be argued against and you can be wrong, it being an opinion or not makes 0 difference.
Act man clearly did not put any thought into his critiques. Ranks and Link rating bad but then there is less complication with those than just making them levels and dealing with all of that. I think he needs to watch some duel logs and see whats possible with those old cards.
I’m gonna sound like and be an asshole for a sec, it was like you were talking to a child. I feel like he didn’t listen or comprehend what you said and at times would walk off and bring some random shit up to show you lmao. I didn’t watch live so it could’ve been how this video was edited. Also before anyone says it, no I’m not an omega nerd who is complaining about him not getting the game, I don’t even play myself anymore.
It's cool to hear more from him about it - I think some of his wording wasn't the best in the original video, and it made him come across as more of a stereotypical angry Yugiboomer than he actually is, or appears to be in this video. Props for also kinda taking it in stride and coming to talk about it, though I'd like to hear his thoughts on MBT's vid.
I feel the opposite of the Hungry Burger support. I hate it because the rest of the cards are stylistically nothing like Hungry Burger. Their effects also feel like they made an archetype then remembered people like Hungry Burger and tacked it on as an afterthought to drum up hype. Hungry Burger will now never get support that fits better. Very disappointed.
Modern Yugioh is more about knowing your combos and the meta decks so you can counter them at the right moment. Early YGO was much slower and allowed for more “intuitive” gameplay where even if you didn’t know every card or deck, you could make educated guesses much more easily. The game was slower and although you had blowout cards and established staples that every deck ran that you had to know to do well, it wasn’t like a lot of hyper consistent modern decks that at full power have to be stopped at one specific point with a hand trap turn 1 to not lose. I think there’s a lot to be said for the skill in modern YGO, but sometimes you just want a slower, more relaxed and methodical game. Modern YGO doesn’t offer that and it would be great to see another format take off that catered to players who want a more Friday Night Magic sort of vibe at the local card shop.
@@andrejv.2834 I do lol, but that doesn’t change the fact that the pace and types of interactions are different now compared to early YGO, which is really what people like ActMan dislike, IMO. Speed Duel and Rush Duel unfortunately don’t play like early YGO either, so they’re not viable alternatives for players wanting a more “MTG feel” like early YGO.
I think it's genuinely cool that you had an actual talk with him. I think it helps bring more understanding from both sides. That aside, he needs to take back what he said about Madolche
Honestly. the price scalping is enough hate as is
What did he say about madolche? He can insult me anyways he want but not my beloved madolche
@@igkewg he just said it was ridiculous and one of the problems with Yu Gi Oh
@@igkewg just a one off comment roasting modern archtypes and uses Madolche as the "Dude, Cakes? We need themed baked goods instead of sea serpents and mermaids?"
@igkewg for the actual context, it's 32:48 in his video
Edit: what he said really wasn't that bad, but we don't take madolche slander here
Can’t believe it. He has a decently nuanced response to most criticisms, but DOUBLES DOWN on Madolche
BASED
I can understand his point on hat tho. I don't mind Madolche, but I hate Suships, for me it's the dumbest thing ever. I guess food based stuff is pretty hit or miss.
you degenerates deserve to be shamed for your loli decks
@@MegaMetal96 You're calling out all Ash players in the open? That takes some courage. Get ready to tank 99.9% of the playerbase. XD
@@VixYW ngl when I got back into the game and realized Ash was a must play staple I seriously reconsidered for a moment
No one tell TheActMan that they made an archetype from food
It's up to 4 right now, Madolche, Nemurelia, Nouvelles and Suship. And possibly Naturia because i'd eat a good chunk of them.
He will let the people don't cook
@@DT-yw4ob Suship?
@@DT-yw4ob also Suships
sushi ship
Honestly Act man showing off his deck he put together by himself was kinda endearing.
Very cute. "Rope of Life" sent me.
Farfa kept talking and Actman is just showing the camera, like, "look chat. Card."
And we're like yes. We know.
...show us more please 🙏
It was endearing af.
It had that very "child at heart" energy to it, and I love it.
"This is Dark Blade, he's in there cause he looks cool"
Just saw this pop up! Was a lot of fun, man! Looking forward to our future duels
Thanks for coming on to talk!
take back what you said about madolche
Bro. Yah familiar with Pokemon? Try Purrely. :3
They are Yugioh cards, but they are ABSOLUTELY CUTE.
I love the comments, it's like 10% wholesome posting, and 90% "I just want him to take back what he said about Madolches tbh"
There's also like 1% pointing things out like, "You said you never meant to imply this, but you literally said it in your video. You said you didn't try to cherry pick clips for your vid, then explained how you cherry picked clips for your vid. You said you didn't imply Yu-Gi-Oh was bad when the literal title of the video asked why Yu-Gi-Oh used to be good and what happened to it."
@@The_Big_Jay Well a title like "Why Was Yugioh SO AWESOME?! And... What Happened to it?" doesn't strictly imply anything negative honestly.
I really do think you're looking into this deeper than necesary.
@@KreuzDrache Was is past tense, implying that it is no longer how he described it. Not only does English syntax support my interpretation, the average person reading it would assume he's asking why Yu-Gi-Oh is no longer awesome. He also makes points, many misleading and untrue, as to why he himself isn't into modern Yu-Gi-Oh and prefers "old" Yu-Gi-Oh, insinuating that the changes are bad for the game itself.
@@The_Big_JayYou are looking at this too deeply and literally.
"Was" is just the past tense "to be". It does not have to mean anything comperative.
@@KreuzDrache The past tense of to be? As in, "Used to be"? That's the past tense of to be. "Why Yu-Gi-Oh used to be awesome?"
You're just proving my point. I'm not looking deeply into it, I'm straight up just reading the title.
I feel like the Actman and players like him would love a draft format with out archetype cards. The game desperately needs any alt formats
I think the game needs Konami to properly support the alt formats first, tbh.
After seeing his video I don't think so. He wants to go back to being 10 years old, not playing the format that existed when he was 10 years old.
The game needs something like that
@@In.New.York.I.Milly.Rock. alt formats would also be great in masterduel tbh. Magic has it as well.
take a speed duel box and draft it.
Honestly I like that you genuinely had a talk with the act man about his video. He seems very open to talk and a lot more reasonable than in his video. I’ve watched and really enjoyed some of his videos! He seems so interesting to talk to…
He gives off a totally different impression in this video than he does in his own. To a degree it's expected since in his own video he was hamming it up a bit, but it still feels like he went too far in his own video to play a character who didn't completely represent his own feelings, but presented it as if it was his own feelings, which was just a bad move all around and led to a lot of resentment
@@drewbabe It ain't that deep dawg. Bro made a video> people didn't like it.
I just want him to take back what he said about Madolche lol
as a madolche main im seething and crying rn
lol
He needs to be shown how the deck operates, be forced to use it in a casual setting, and then fall in love with the deck. That's the character development opportunity here.
I dunno it seemed like a based take.
The artwork is a bit too loud. And the names are well...yeah...
Anyone is entitled to find specific archetypes to be dumb. Thematically, Yu-Gi-Oh is like a free for all battle royalle, which is good in a way because everyone will find cards that they like. The consequence of it is that there will be a lot of cards they won't. There's no problem with that.
It sounds like the actman wants to play yugioh the way it way played in the anime. Like how Yugi ran original black luster soldier, magnet warriors, and buster blader. When in real life, running all that is basically asking for a bad hand.
Yeah, he loves the aesthetics a lot and I think he likes imagining the card interactions, which I'm guilty of myself.
I think he'd genuinely enjoy a decent Goat/Edison/Tengu list. A lot of decks in retro, even good ones, had varying aesthetics. It's just a big ask to tell someone to seek out a retro format community vs a normal local or the Master Duel ladder.
@@nonifuji1566 I gotta say the first anime really poorly advertised how the game is played in real life. Most of yugi and kaiba's strategies were trash irl.
@@DiveBombRebel every anime until zexal is like that, and even zexal doesn't resemble the xyz era early on, it's only later in the show that characters make an xyz turn one
Watching Kiryu play full power Infernity hurts
Well, that's what's nice about modern yugioh. You can play piles with tons of bricks in them but abuse powerful engines and starter cards to make it work and do some cool shit. I also really disagree with the whole "decks build themselves" sentiment, sure maybe exactly Ishizu Tear builds itself, but there was a ton of innovation with different builds of Spright, and before that all the different piles with adventure and whatnot. Not to mention the extreme thought and testing that goes into picking ratios and specific tech cards.
The most confusing thing for me when I came back to YuGiOh was understanding that “send” and “discard” sometimes mean the same thing and sometimes they don’t .
Discard is specifically hand to GY and is a keyword for certain effects. Send can be from anywhere to GY.
There's send, discard, destroy, tribute. Then there's also send as a cost or send as effect.
Then there's also leaving the field, sent to the gy, send to the gy by card effect.
All of which have their own nuances. It is super beginner unfriendly
@@Skasaha_
Yes, but the wording can mean they interact with other cards in a different way.
Cards that send from hand to gy as cost can't be activated under Macro, while cards that discard as cost can.
Cards that discard trigger dangers and dark worlds, cards that send from hand to gy don't.
Although this has always been true, it's not just in 'modern' yugioh, it just comes up more often now.
Yea I learned that the hard way when i tried to use tribe infecting virus in a dark world deck
ancient warriors would be a pretty cool deck for act man to play. the monsters look cool, they're really cheap, and they're actually not that bad vs. a lot of the top tier decks because it doesn't care about cards like shifter and the like. it even gets around mind hacker because the deck doesn't really rely on the extra deck (which also factors into the deck being so cheap). the deck is also really straight forward and easy to play as well.
Agreed I think he'd like them a lot 🤘
I LOVE Ancient Warriors. More people should play them, especially older fans. They work like a deck from 2006 but beefed up to modern standards, and the extra deck can be whatever or just non existent since you run Pot of Extravagance anyways.
how exactly does ancient warriors not care about shifter if shifter is shuting the whole deck down
@@Nothing2Say wdym the ancient warrios main decked that shit during ishizu tearlament format and could play under it just fine lol.
@@nicholaswalker757 explain what the backrow does. floats. explain what the searchers do. send cards to the gy. it heavily weakens the deck. it mained shifter because card good then.
My biggest disagreement with his video was complaining about archetypes. I was very similar, quit at GXX, got back in for Legacy of the Duelist, and archetypes were the single biggest factor in me being able to easily learn to play the new mechanics and quickly find new decks I liked. They simplify the game and if you like playing off-meta jank, archetypes are the reason bad decks like solfachord or charmers get to have busted support as long it's archetype specific.
Okay, I negate two cards with Coolia and target your monster for banishing with Beautia, only to swing with Beautia to card effect destroy it because another Coolia in my Pendulum zone.
I unironically had someone let me do that against his sacred beast deck, and he scooped after he activated his Opening of the Spirit Gates only for the card to return with "negated effect".
Funniest shit I've seen in a while.
@@Practitioner_of_Diogenes That's good too, but I was mostly thinking of solfachord elegance, a card that lets you set scales from the deck/draw 2 and would never be printed if it wasn't locked to an archetype, same for the spirit charmer's search 2, set 1 quickplay effect that's too good to be allowed generically.
Agreed, that’s what I like about Yu-Gi-Oh.
@@DatAsuna Sorry, I didn't quite get you talking about good effects that are locked behind archetype specific restrictions.
I was more caught up on calling Solfachord a weak deck. Is it meta? No, but it can still do some pretty wild things.
when i came back to yugioh archetypes were also my biggest complaint, until i realized that they were the biggest big brain idea they ever had. not only they simplify the game and consolidates cool artwork in a single theme, they make the game more diverse, we think of generic deckbuilding as endless possibilities, but no, everyone will end playing the same deck pile of broken cards. it's boring AF and that's how yugioh was for it's early years.
also, they make power creep more discrete in a way, i mean, in MTG you have cards that are a direct upgrade over older ones, same card with better stats. in yugioh even if objectively better cards came out, they aren't a direct replacement and sometimes they miraculously work together really well, maybe even better than in their day.
heck, not even retrains keep the same effects, each card has it's own quirks, and building around the synergies and limitations of an archetype is actually fun.
For the XYZ aspect, the reason XYZ monsters can't have levels is that then you could use any two XYZ monsters to make another. There's no issue of running out of XYZ material if some smoothbrain can just say "I'll overlay my two Utopias to make a third Utopia". It'd be a terrible lack of foresight and become UTTERLY disastrous as XYZ effects get stronger and stronger. Imagine Infernity overlaying two Lavalval Chains to make a third one, getting a third pitch from deck for free. Picture using Number 11 Big Eye to take a second Big Eye, using THAT to take another monster, then overlaying the Big Eyes to make Dracossack in the Dragon Ruler mirror.
Imagine using 2 enterblatnhirs to handloop, overlaying for a 3rd, then using teishula to handloop again and making vfd at the end
As a vw player would be an excellent and balanced mechanic
*laughs in zoodiac*
Although instead of replacing levels with ranks, they could have just said you can't overlay xyzs.
Although his complaint doesn't make sense when it comes to link monsters, since gravity bind wouldn't stop links1-3 even if they were levels.
As a certified Yugioboomer I really like xyz monsters. The fact that (for the most part) there’s an actual RESOURCE and limit to crazy good effects is awesome. I wish Synchro and Link were like that or at least way harder to get out.
@@IamGrimalkin But then that would have prevented Rank-Ups from existing, or UDF, or Magnifica. This is the best option.
I'm really impresed with Farfa here, he's very understanding and brings up really good and interesting points of view around the arguments.
It's clear ActMan just loves Yu-Gi-Oh as an IP and cherishes the nostalgic memories of how the game used to be, hence him saying he basically just plays playground rules duels with old decks with his friends. His takes on the competitive side of the game just seem ill-informed imo and you can tell he's approaching it from a position of 'the game has changed too much, to where it doesn't feel like the game i grew up with anymore' to one where he's actually knowledgeable about the competitive side of the game and understands the actual issues that are there. The interview was super chill though, glad you actually had a conversation to try and get his perspective.
Competive side of yugioh
There's no competive side anymore, any and all of yugioh online content talks about meta
There is mo competiveside of yugioh, There is just modern yugioh which a competive only game.
i was crying when chat started yelling "ITS BUTLERS" after he said he'd play the Hungry Burger deck
God, this interview's fucking great
"Evil plants, thats a cool stylish archetype idea" bro thats like, the most generic thing to ever exist
The moment he said that about Madolche, I knew people would go mad lmfao.
On another note, I think we really need an alt format like the Master Duel events.
The thing is modern combo cards all require great, intrinsic knowledge of all of your cards beforehand so you don't play them wrong or you're aware of all of your options. So you can make the most of that one card. So it's a lot harder to just pick up and learn as you go. You can't really make it up as you go or learn the monsters as you go. So it's a lot harder to pick up a modern deck and play it and be like "Oh yeah, this is fun"
As a hard-core casual,this is exactly why modern yugioh isn't fun at all Iike the way that it's supposed to be, your not really using your brain during play at all, no real complications other than chaining
@@jarrellspencer9014 Well, you do use your brain a lot in modern yugioh. It's just....how things combo and play off of each other isn't as apparent. And you have to know ALL of the cards of the combo to see it in your head. You need to exactly what you need to grab from the deck. Exactly which cards are best sent to the graveyard, exactly in which order to bring our your extra deck monsters. How to build up to your BEST extra deck monsters. It takes a lot more than just reading the cards that are in your hand and making a strategy/board from that. Now, every archetype comes with its own two cards that act as hyper Gold Sarcophagus, because it comes straight to your hand with no wait time. Half of the boss monsters have a Solemn Judgment and Raregold Armor baked right into their cards on top of some other effect and having Blue-Eyes stats.
@@jarrellspencer9014 you mever played modern yugioh before if you think it doesnt require brain
Try playing sky striker or d/d/d
@@jerfuhrer2581 yeah but all that is surface level thinking. Any doofus can find the combo these days cause it's handed to them by the deck it's self. On top cheap hand traps and everybody looking up a recipe then copy-pasting, there's no original decks that can make it cause of Konami poor card designs/power creeping for marketing strategies. Before hand traps and helmet card design, trap card were viable and and deck building was an actual challenge. Teledad, frog ftk, gadgets( I can go on) weren't archetype based strategies but they required real finesse to play and pull off and none of it was handed to you like every deck does nowadays. And I understand that ingenuity leads to evolution so before I blame Konami for poor card design, I blame the degenerate that made certain things popular. They are the literal reason why every build runs twenty hand traps and brain dead oligarpalizing deck building.
@@thaariqbinaziz2821 sky striker is one of the biggest brain dead helmet strategies around. Farfa literally has a video dedicated to how brain dead its players are. Pulling of d/d/d does require finesse but it has never and will never be a meta contender for reasons I already stated
Actman holding up 1 card at a time gives like 2007 420p 1-5 at locals deck profile energy
The issue with the Bad Reaction to simmochi… isn’t that it ftk’s… it’s that he plays a floodgate, and essentially passes turns while the opponent can’t attack, and says some decks are one sided and unfun to play against.
(Granted you can destroy Gravity Bind, his floodgate, and now his life points are free to be attacked. But you also have options for cards to tech in against any deck.)
Edit: Xyz do have a different Leveling system.
It’s called the Ranks. Modern cards that do stuff with Levels mention “Levels AND Ranks.”
As a Warrior GOAT player, I have some questions about his card choices.
You can't tell me that you wouldn't get stunlocked when he flips rope of life on you and then flips COH to revive something he discarded.
I'm not saying it's good, I'm saying it's based.
@@pablorosada9788 I'll give give him points for creativity, but that's a tall order. I'd be more understanding if that card combo was in a Blue-Eyes or Horus deck.
Which ones?
@The Act Man Genuinely asking? If so I'd love to chat about it.
“I wasn’t trying to cherry-pick quotes to fit my argument”
*then explains how he cherry-picked quotes to suit his argument*
ah finally we'll get to see farfa's reaction to the act man's video on the main channel that's pretty nic- *IS THAT THE ACT MAN?????* WHAT
"I saw people roasting me for playing Bad Reaction to Simochi, I don't play those unbalanced otk decks, I play hard stall floodgate turbo"
Points for trying, Act Man
Legacy of the Duelist got me back into Yugioh after years. It actually teaches you the new summoning mechanics, how new archetypes work and somewhat nuanced rulings like missing timing etc.
Master Duel teaches these things too, just no one actually goes to solo mode and play Duel Training, because they would rather complain about the game being complicated instead of learning 2+3 = 5 or two 4s make a rank 4, truly complicated stuff.
The fact you can't order simultaneous effect in the chain make the game really questionable as a teaching aid, at least master duel lets you control those.
@@KanetheSpaceWolfliterally. I see a lot of yugi boomers complaining that they don’t understand the new summoning mechanics when all of them are literally kindergarten level math, it’s not that hard.
The summoning mechanics are so so so so simple, you learn them in 5 minutes each. When people complain about them as if THAT's what makes the game impenetrable, I just give up on that person because they clearly have no interest in actually learning, so they're just whining for sport.
Summoning mechanics are nothing compared to just how complex archetypes play now, it's all the complex, non-linear combos and interactions between every card of the decks that you need to intimiately understand to even FUNCTION with a deck, then there's the matter of learning whatever BS the opponent is playing against you... THAT is what makes Yugioh hard. It's not god damn link summons.
Only thing i cant stand is the Madolche diss. It was the deck i used in locals and tourneys. It was the deck that got me back into yugioh tcg since the last time was me playing my friends in school (who we all knew the actual rules). Madolche is godly
nah he was right
@@ShoXwavee nah hes not. Hes a blind moron whos never really played the game properly saying dumb things
Trash
It's funny ActMan mentions dzeeff's why nobody plays videos. Those were what got me interested in the game again about 4 years ago in Jan 2019, followed shortly by me buying the Japanese version of Link Evolution and then buying a few structure decks to play with my friend who I also got back into the game.
I think it kinda invalidates the point of "You can play what you want, this is all just my takes" when he follows it up with "That's fine, I can still play the cool cards" like it doesn't just directly shit on what everyone else finds enjoyable.
"Oh yes, you can like Pendulum, Link, whatever but I'm the one playing the cool way"
Few people online with an opinion want to actually argue. They want to say their piece and leave so that if you press them on their shit logic they can say, "Why are you getting so serious bro? It's just my opinion. You can't argue against that."
Yes, I can argue against your opinion. That's the nature of opinions.
"I don't like when a deck is predetermined by Konami, that's why I play my Umi deck, where I put in all the cards that say "Umi" on them in the deck, now THAT's deckbuilding *sips*
The actman seems like he would genuinely love a good progression series
Or Duel Night both series The Actman 100% would love.
more like a regression series.
but it would be cool watching his journey to understand modern yugioh
The thing about power creep is that Yugioh had power creep from day one. You start out a deck with La Jinn and Battle Ox. Then you get 7-Colored Fish and you get rid of the Battle Ox. Then you get a Vorse Raider so you get rid of La Jinn. Then you get a Gemini Elf and get rid of the Fish.
It's just way more noticeable when you leave for years and come back.
Bro forgot mechanacle chaser
None of those cards are a costless Solemn Judgement.
@@Ticketman99 but no card is. Even the extra deck one, you first need to get to then, by using resources.
Honestly, I don't even dislike the actman's video because of his opinions or anything, but at least he should've properly researched the topics he was covering.
Like, if you make a full on video essay about a card game - with what honestly feels like a lot of work put into it - you should at least look at the different aspects of it properly, such as competetive, casual, different formats and quite literally at least a single modern match instead of ignoring them completely or simply spitting uninformed takes.
Yeah his video was badly researched. Don’t know why he pretends to know more than he lets on. It’s okay that he plays casual at best and it’s an opinion piece but it’s important to know the game from all sides despite your feelings on it if you want to have an actual good discussion. My biggest gripe with some of his video is that a lot of the facts he spits out is just false.
Yea Fr, most of his complaints are assumptions he's made by reading a few modern cards.
Next farfa grills Charlie about his invoked deck
I need an Act Man MBT conversation so bad
In before, 2 years from now, TheActMan is in YCS finals.
ActMan might actually like Zombies, the main deck at least. You've got a couple of 3 ofs but also a bunch of 1 ofs and a couple 2 ofs, edgy artwork, and you do have an old-school card or two thrown (Mezuki, Zombie World, Gozuki).
It's a fairly complex deck tho (nonlinear) and the Extra Deck plays a huge role
Zombies are my favorite deck. So fun!
@@ericmay560 I love that zombie world make everything zombie. The problem with zombie it's kinda hard to put the right cards on graveyard.
@@darkira2129 I hope you are kidding. There are many ways to send the zombies you want to the graveyard. Even staples like Forbidden droplet help with that.
@@darkira2129 Not really. Or I guess we'll just ignore Uni-Zombie?
@@kichiroumitsurugi4363 what happen if it get ashed? Or worse veiled or imperm? The only zombie that kinda good if you can send 1 in your turn is the glow-up bloom, but only if you have zombie world... zombie need more than 1 card in graveyard.
A bit of a point when it comes to deck building: there's still room in this game to develop cool deck combinations even if they're not what everyone's running.
Like, i wouldn't consider PUNK Twins to be the best Evil Twins variant (let alone the best PUNK variant), but it runs pretty well for the most part. Although, I do think Dinomorphia BA is the best Burning Abyss variant. Hands down, its one of the best deck lists I've come up with. Cicada King is awesome BA support as well.
Honestly this. it's very fun smashing two archetypes together to see what they do lol. one abomination that had no right to work as well as it did was ogdoadic/zombies lmfao only the light lvl 4 ogdo card cares about reptiles on field or grave as it locks you into reptiles only while it's on the field but beyond that the two decks complement eachother surpricingly well as ogdoadics provide much needed plan b plays as well as general support like stealing opponents cards and drawing.
There has also always been cards that are mandatory, like most goat decks are built not that differently from each other
@@EnRandomSten I do that shit with thunder dragons in master duel. My absolute current favorite is dragon link TD with a rokket engine, but I've also crafted branded thunder dragon, mekk Knight thunder dragon, crystron thunder dragon and am working on a Blue eyes thunder dragon.
They are not really good, but it's just fun to see like a minor synergy (for example crystron sulfefnir can pop a dragondark if you have it on the field) and try to build a deck around it.
@@rrakea That's true, but at least mandatory cards change with the format. Hell, Ash wasn't even good during Ishizu Tear format.
In this format, Droplet is kinda mid because of Book of Eclipse (which just plays around Droplet in most cases and always plays around Dark Ruler). I'm having to play Evenly and confiscation cards like Change of Heart or what have you to compensate.
Dinomorphia BA sounds based, do you have a decklist to share? 🙏
One of the points that I personally disagreed with that was bought up almost exclusively in this video is the power levels, while it isn't as huge as ActMans Bad Reaction deck, it's more like Vendread or weird Branded decks against the newer decks that exist, like Runick Spright and Kashtira, the only thing that we gentleman's out of are out of archetype floodgates like Shifter and Lancea. I still find it fun to do but maybe I just play with an optimistic disposition.
I wonder if MBT tried contacting Actman, since he the community's biggest critic of him? I didn't expect Farfa to do this.
NOW ASK HIM WHY HE SAID 5DS LOOKS DUMB ITS THE BEST YUGIOH SHOW
Show him Zeus and tell him you can make it in melfys
I feel like it’s a situation where his entire argument could be summed up by: “game has inherent issues, it’s not for everybody, if you don’t like modern; play an agreed upon format/era with ur friends”
You can make that argument for any piece of media ever made tbf
I would point more towards than among the big 3 TCGs, YGO is the one that requires more specific knowledge and it's more difficult to navigate only on paradigms. Or if you want it worded in a more positive light, YGO is the TCG that rewards players the most, the more time they invest on learning more cards. Some will be proud of it, but it is a barrier for casual/semi-casual, to whatever extend one can only give X hours of their time.
@@andrejv.2834 which is why I think ActMans argument are luke warm at best lol
Great Idea with the Interview, I am back at Yu-Gi-Oh since Master Duel starts and I become Day to Day better with Combos and Interactions, Top Decks are also really good for beginners (Spright, Swordsoul, Despia are all easy in the Basics but hard to Master).
I think the best way to introduce somebody to modern yugioh isnt to give them a meta deck or a floodgate/stun deck, but rather something like witchcrafter/zombies. These decks revolve around a powerful boss monster (verre/bladeroch) and most of the other monsters facilitate summoning them, as well as providing a certain utility. So you could easily just teach someone how to get to their boss monster and then while they practice they will naturally learn about card advantage and the most effective way to do your combo through minor changes. Then after that you could introduce them to the extra deck and have them learn about all the utility that provides.
These decks also have to room facilitate any generic spells/traps the new player would love to run.
Id love to agree, but a lot of decks outside the top revolve around or use a floodgate to pace the game in one form or another. zombies generally tend towards gozen/rivalry/skill drain/ zombie world, which is ok, but also if thats "interaction" to people then idk what to say
Those were my first decks and I have them both in paper .... I wouldn''t recomend them as starter decks tho (unless the person likes the look of them) as they are incredibly weak to interuption, something that is a part of the modern game. you get the wrong idea of how the game works when you play with such decks and you can pretty quickly develop a sense of hopelessness against other decks. I'd also argue that both those decks need the extra deck to even function, vice manster for witchcrafters and vampire sucker for zombies.
They are fun as hell tho when you've played the game for a while and know how to disrupt opponents and when to commit etc.
Floodgates are very optional.
Playing through interruption is something you're not going to do as a new player anyway.
Obviously you're supposed to have him practice somewhere where they would face people/decks of similar skill/power, like master duel or something
@@habo249 Past a point floodgates are not optional. None of these decks last against stronger decks without floodgates. I took a brief look on masterduelmeta (not the hallmark of competitive play, but its fine for masterduel) and the first 10-12 lists of each of the popular zombie strategies and witchcrafters all ran floodgates in larger or smaller numbers. Why is that? If every list is doing it, is it really optional? Or is it because they have no choice when facing better decks?
Playing through interruption happens doubly on masterduel with maxx C legal and called by the grave at 2. Interruption isnt just borreload savage, baronne or appolousa.
I agree with what you're trying to say, but going about it this way just doesnt help them if they want to play beyond hyper casually (which is fine too, I keep one for that myself in geargia). Its fine to not have them start with kashtira or the like, but there is a long way from kashtira to something like witchcrafter. From my experience teaching people, theres a lot of things they just will not come to understand without external resources, card advantage and the like especially.
Idk man swordsoul is a really simple to play deck so I think that's a good starting point
I appreciate that they had a civil conversation but also I will NOT take his Madolche slander in silence
I like conversations like this. I'd love to hear players discuss more about card design, and of there isn't an alternative to everlasting power creep.
So the actman just puts random sh*t together and sees if it works? He would've really liked the Kitchen Sink/BASED piles from last year. lol
I guess a deck he would also really like is dragon link since that also was exactly that since the beginning of it's creation.
I btw also like how he calls MBT, "The MBT".
I don't think he would like to play decks that do more than "I activate floodgate, I win", because they are too complicated
@Bren I did, he said that he plays stun simochi and tried new umi, which is stun, tell me what non goat-like decks he played that weren't stun
@@iradidrago7010 Dragon Rulers
@@bl00by_ true, but for so little and they are still an easy deck to play that doesn't have that many unique mechanics.
I would definitely not recommend dragon link as a first deck, it's pretty complicated, maybe some more linear deck that he also likes the art of
@@iradidrago7010 His best bet is despia. It's edgy and stream lined. And since branded fusion is so busted he can play it with everything he wants. He could play it with Shaddoll, Predaplants or even Eldlich.
the one big thing i think yugioh needs to sort out is card text bloat, like, the card text on the new Dark world fusion is insane for a card that only really says when your opponent activates a card effect, you can change it to be your opponent discards a card and when this card leaves the field, reborn a grapha from your graveyard.
I like how he says he didn't get into the new stuff and still made a video talking about modern yugioh lmao
No he made a video about why he didnt get into the new stuff.
@@JumboBog320 well if that's what he tried to do it certainly doesn't come off that way, and the title also doesn't present it as such
It also doesn't help that his arguments use custom cards, misread cards, cherry pick cards, use out of context clips, lack context sometimes or contradict themselves
@@JumboBog320 He makes a lot of generalizations about 20 minute turns, and cards with 8 different effects when the majority of not only Modern Yu-Gi-Oh, but Competitive Modern Yu-Gi-Oh don't do that, and the majority of cards have 2 effects max, minus some Boss monsters, which is usually forgivable. He's making critiques about things that aren't true/aren't a problem, and if he got into the new stuff, he'd know that.
Retards. He say it himself he casual and he wasn't that serious. Everyone who watch his videos know this. 🤡
@@jrpgnation6375 He's so casual he's not into modern Yu-Gi-Oh, but decides to comment on modern Yu-Gi-Oh.
I always thought xyz monsters had ranks so you could "chain xyz-summon" back in the day. Konami probably didn't want you to overlay a dracosack and dragonruler into big-eye.
Similarly, the link mechanic couldn’t really work with levels, since a level 3 a level 1 main deck monster could easily lead to summoning firewall.
Why would links have to use the synchro machanics of adding the levels? Why would the levels of the materials have to interact with the level of the target?
Was browsing kids shows on TV and noticed they were doing a rerun of dubbed Yugioh Zexal (I don't know why they would make this awful business decision). I then proceeded to pirate the subbed version and binge watch it. Ever since then, Zexal became my new favorite Yugioh series and I started playing Onomats in Master Duel and Duel Links. I don't agree with most of Act Man's opinions since I think modern Yugioh is much better than the game it once was that was mostly enjoyable due to childhood imagination.
Overall, Yugioh is very important to me and many others then and now for many different reasons.
P.S. give subbed Zexal a chance, it's a lot better than people make it out to be.
Honestly I enjoyed the dub regardless. Yuma is the only bad voice while shark absolutely carried it there
Imo zexal is by far the best out of the first 5 animes, won't compare it to vrains and later since I haven't watched them
Unlike other protags yuma actually isn't a mary sue and grows as a duelist
And most characters show a lot of character development, way more than the other shows
Also it not really following the classic protagonists-best friend-rival structure made the story more interesting
You can tell Farfa's trying to not call ActMan a f'ing idiot here lmao
This was great. It's awesome to see two different perspectives on the game, and it was an interesting listen the whole way through.
This was an interesting video. I think the most disappointing thing for me was that Farfa was willing to divulge in the Act Man's topics but whenever Farfa would bring something up, the ActMan would change the subject or not fully pay attention.
I get that what Farfa and the ActMan like about Yu-Gi-Oh differs, but I also don't think that the conversation was well balanced.
He annoyed me kept going back on talking about the cards he got or deck and never explained in detail anything. Props to farfa for not getting mad
@@ONIGIRIKINGU I like the ActMan and I've seen him on video podcasts and I can confidently say that the way he acted Farfa's stream seemed so disinterested and unwilling to take part in any conversation he wasn't invested in. It was pretty frustrating to watch because he hasn't acted this way in the past.
Edit: Granted most podcasts he's on, he's a guest and the topic pertains to him, so it's reasonable he's more invested in those other ones.
You are not entitled to someone giving you proper answer. He say it himself he casual. He doesn't know much compared to someone like farfa. Dumb fucking idiots
@@jrpgnation6375 he dont have to know much but him not even fully explaining the reason he stated is wrong with the game shows how dumb he is. Imagine being so bumb that he cant explain shit he mentioned and have dick suckers like come defend him. How pathethic is he
@@izaiahsundquist6877 Yeah he came off a bit egotistical in the video to me. Like it’s okay you’re a casual but don’t pretend that you know more than you actually do. Didn’t seem like he was willingly to learn but was rather put off by farfa teaching him about the new stuff in yugioh.
His og video was just badly researched.
Probably one of the more enjoyable discussions. Even if someone never saw his video I think someone can just sit down here and enjoy this. Blends in the modern and old school perfectly since he’s aware of the new and still chooses the old school without bashing it like people thought he was trying or any old school focused player “does.”
Fun concept would be modern non meta decks with old school splashes like the new manticore card that uses fissure and big bang shot.
Hold up.... farfa said there was no innovation in spirit... like wut there are like 20 different variants (with significant changes). Yes you need to run cards of an archetype to play the archetype
Thought the take was pretty bad too. Even if it's correct, oldschool deck building was also the same ~20 staples and then some other room to tinker around.
For links and XYZ, the fact they don’t use levels is integral to their mechanics. Imagine if you could just overlay two level 4 XYZ monsters together for free without any special effects. And link climbing is a big part of links. I understand the confusion but it is a balancing thing and representative of the mechanic
But you can overlay 2 level 4 xyz, to an xyz monster better than most of them too
@@ceadvin3767 *without any special effects*
@@ceadvin3767 I meant like. In general man
But why shouldn't we allow for using two Xyz to overlay if they were levels? I don't think it would break the game. Same thing with links, you could attach the climbing ability just to the type of card and it's level, not the Link rating and it would still work. Synchro summoning with an Xyz and a Link monster would be as awesome as Xyz summoning with a fusion and a Synchro.
I think the reason they did this way though, is because it would conflict with the pattern of low level monsters having weak attack/effects (even though it's still debatable).
@@shina4229 a monsters lvl determinates 3 things rn,
1.whether it can be normal summoned wirhout tribute
2. What can you syncro summon with it
3. What can you xyz summon with it
(It also determinates whether it can be pendulum summoned but nobody plays pendulums so who cares)
The level doesn't mean much in terms of a cards power(for battle and it's especially irrelevant for it's effects)
Even if the act man's video did leave a sour taste in my mouth, I have to say that seeing him just enjoying talking about yugioh and being super proud to show his cards is really sweet.
I still think that his video doesn't really do a great job of potraying the modern landscape of yugioh (something I thought would have been doable with the collaboration of farfa, doug and slaydra), and, while it wasn't probably what he intended to do, his video is just so much bigger than the average yugituber's that I'd feel bad if someone turned down a chance to play yugioh just because they got that video as their first impression.
It's not necessairily act man's fault, I think he genuinely likes the game; but it's just that same feeling I get when I watch a game journalist review my favourite game, but they skipped half the cutscenes, did not understand some major mechanics of the game and only played 30 hours out of a 150 hour campaign.
At the end of the day it's his opinion, and I'm just sad that there isn't a video as big as his that transmits the passion I have for the game (mbt's pretty close but I'd like for a video like that to go beyond yugitube).
So yeah, hope the act man doesn't get too bad of an impression from the yugioh community lol
honestly enjoyed it all the way, genuinely a good conversation and a lot of good points being brought out
Xyzs were meant to balance out older aspects of the game while they figure out how to break the game in new ways obviously.
Back then things like Gravity Bind and Level Limit Area B were limited so something incompatible with them excuses them off the list. Pot of Avarice was also warranting list attention because Synchros spent 3 years turbo-ing through the GY to make plays, so Xyzs attach and release to the GY in a slightly slower manner.
Before Synchros, it was less common to see effects purely modifying Levels or deciding what to revive to fill X number of Levels. Then came Xyzs and they went for modding higher Levels (Synchro era cards had a hard time getting 2 Level 5s or 2 Level 7s without the effort being worth wasting on a Rank 5+ monster). This taps into new territory, and by the end of the Xyz era you had decks that could slap 5 Level 10s on the board.
Similar with Links, Book of Moon was "the swiss knife of Yugioh" for most of the game's history but now it couldn't affect them (though the main reason behind not having positions is they didn't want arrows to be so flexible that they'd easily change orientation by putting the card sideways). Ranks were made exclusively for Xyzs so a brand new mechanic having them would feel more derivative and less fresh. When the game seems to not have a weak angle to grow new support directions from, they create some new measuring method (Level/Rank/Scale/Rating) and go from there. I think that's more or less the theory behind it.
My guy should play Vendread. Vaguely modern effects but not the kind that are combo heavy or negate heavy. More of a traditional and cool aesthetic
You know thank you for actually having a conversation with someone of a vastly differing opinion of the games state right now. I have always stayed hovering around yugioh, jumped in and out of formats but never really dropped it, right now im hoping back in after having only spectated for a good long while (thank god i missed ishizu tear), but I tend to have a lot of frustrations with the game that I share with the older players in the game, as I started with starter deck yugi/kaiba format. Its nice to see other opinions of it at least given room to breath. (also side note, not every yugiboomer thinks goat is best, I happen to love synchro and xyz era yugioh, you know outside of winduplooped hands.).
"I'm a hardcore casual, I know really well what i like about the game and i don't care about the new stuff" well these are sure a lot of words to say Yugiboomer.
Sometimes when I'm watching my opponent play turn one solitare for 15 minutes because I didn't draw any interaction cards, I dream about the yugiboomer days. Makes set and pass seem rosy red.
@@radandpaisley I've never liked the t set passing formats. Like, okay you don't have to wait 15 minutes for your opponent's turn, but the match will not be shorter. The match will still last 20 minutes because you have to t set passing for 20 turns until someone draws BLS. The amount of skill required to play those kinds of formats is literally under 0.
Literally me a majority of the time.
Kashtira and, when it was at the height of its power, Tearlaments doesn't quite interest me.
Labrynth, on the other hand? That shit I'm interested in.
@@radandpaisley Ahh yes I too miss magical scientist FTK and Dark armed dragon tier 0 and a time when anime decks like dark magician and blue eyes were unplayable
@@L1nk2002 To further add onto BLS that's literally what most of Old Yu-Gi-Oh was just two boring Chaos decks fighting over and over again with very few differences in deck building because everything else was bad
My homie needs Fencing Fire Ferret for Bad Reaction and burn. :)
The gameplay of "weird shit I like" is a much more fun way to play than the competetive vibe, and that was the real goal I got from the ActMan vid.
Except that modern Yu-Gi-Oh doesn't have to be competitive people have shown this time and time again and in fact modern Yu-Gi-Oh actually revives casual decks by making them actually playable. Act Man doesn't even aknowledge this once.
@@Honest_Mids_Masher "except that modern yu-gi-oh doesn't have to be competitive"
My dude, you're the very first person to look down on anyone who disagrees with being competitive. If someone mentions liking GOAT, you are the first one to go "but yata lock".
F you and F off.
Legacy of the dullest has a far better solo mode than master dual hands down without question. If they just copy and pasted that in master duel every solo player would be happy. Granted the mechanics and master dual are always going to be better than legacy of the dualist. Doesn't mean the solo mode isn't better.
True 👍 my only complaint with L.o.t.d. is lag, and more music variety. You know the ones 😫 some of them sound like the magic school bus tune high on angel dust, giving a xylophone a reach-around. But in a bad way.
BUT MY STATIC IMAGES AND A.I TRANSLATED TEEEEXT!
Yes but no, solo mode in legacy of the duelist just has more content currently and goes through the anime.
Master duel solo mode is a different spin compared to majority of yugioh games. It's main focus is to give you an idea on how an archtype works while giving an entire background on them.
People tend to prefer master duels solo since it tends to give them a new experience through story telling while teaching you how to play a deck.
While on legacy of the duelist you need to play jank story decks or craft your own. Which to new players is fine, but to veteran players is just painful since legacy of the duelist decks are down right awful. Plus they've most likely seen the anime anyway. So there wasn't much
That legacy of the duelist offers compared to previous yugioh game entries that made it enticing to play.
I’m glad some of these things were addressed, but there’s still a lot that runs me the wrong way. He says everything he said will apply to someone buying a starter deck fresh, but that’s not the case, someone starting fresh will have whatever’s going on currently in the game as their expectations, not nostalgic playground Yugiboomer content. The thing about archetypes put a bad taste in my mouth too, because I like how archetypes have themes that work together. Even so, most archetypes save for some have a lot of flex room. I love Ancient Gear, and I can think of 5 different ways to play that deck, not to mention all the other Earth-Machines you can splash in to vary up your own style. By far the biggest thing is his edge lord taste. C’mon dude, yes I play a war machine deck, but I love the fun wacky and even sometimes cute variety this game offers. I like watching cute furry animals and dolls as much as I like seeing aliens fight demons or super heroes fight wizards. (Hates Madolche yet loves Hungry Burger). On that note, he’d probably dig an Unchained deck.
Overall, I’m glad he’s making an effort, though I think there’s still a lot of flawed undercooked thinking behind this (he’s making Sykkuno look good). Shame to because I think Farfa’s right in that new perspectives are great and super helpful, but they need to be informed and thought out.
Good news is, it can only get better on both sides from here. Glad you guys will be playing a few rounds.
Based Madolche hate. Can't hate a man for sticking to his guns.
Archetype made of bunch of desserts is bad, but buger monster support is cool I guess.
Who would win, the act man or a timelord?
I think the issue with yugiboomers is that they want to play a game that is not YGO. They think it's YGO, because that's what they've seen in their anime and that's what they played in their school lunch tables, but actual YGO is, and was, much different. Most of his takes are bad precisely because of that. He's unwilling to accept that what he wants to play/use is either outdated or just plain bad, or he's unwilling to understand the deeper level of the game (even things that did exist back in the day, like non-targeting effects).
There's nothing bad in wanting to play in a different way, but when you blame the game for issues you created in your head it's where you're wrong. Like, cool, you have your pet deck that you built yourself and you want to play it in current formats, but you can't tell me with a straight face that you put Dark Blade in it just for funsies and then proceed to make an entire video saying that the game in its current state is bad. What do you expect, you're playing a deck that looks like it was built by a 11yo against people that deck build for much stronger matchups, of course you're gonna get curb stomped. I like to deck build my way too, I love to play jank or rogue strategies, but I don't get mad at the game as a whole when I lose.
This happens a lot in Pokémon as well, the rpg not the tcg. Guys that show up with just their favorites in their team, with minimal to no knowledge of ev training or breeding, picking up moves that they thought were cool instead of choosing useful moves, then getting immediately bodied by any decent UU team, and they always blamed the game for it. Thing is, the game was never played that way they played, at least not beyond 1999 or so.
Also, the Madolche take is so stupid. Silly monsters were always a thing since the beginning. They weren't as "moe" as Madolche are, but that's because moe was not really a thing back in YGO's beginnings. And even then, what's wrong with some silly and/or cutesy monsters? Is not like that's only what's been printed, you still have your cool edgy dragons and spellcasters.
Dude, just calm down. What he chooses to play WAS Yu-Gi-Oh! That's how the game began!
If you woke up tomorrow and found different clothes in your closet or wherever, you would say they aren't your clothes. Silly analogy, but it gets the point across.
What we liked about the good old days is gone. Never coming back. But that was and still is where Yu-Gi-Oh shines brightest for so many players!
"I think the issue with [yuginewmers] is that they want to play a game that is not YGO. They think it's YGO, because that's what they've seen in their [YCS] and that's what they played in their [university safe spaces,] but actual YGO is, and was, much different."
Good day to you!
words words words
no one read that shit
Cool and edgy dragons are strong, except Red Eyes Black Dragon.
@@wickd6878 Sorry dude that was not Yu-Gi-Oh Old Yu-Gi-Oh was just a bunch of chaos decks fighting to see which was the best. Then it went into other forms of meta involving hand control due to cards like delinquent duo and the like and then it went into FTK madness and then Dark armed dragon tier 0. What you're thinking of is not Yu-Gi-Oh but a lunch table card game in which people hardly know the rules.
The good old days was just playground Yu-Gi-Oh I doubt many of the people who actually enjoyed the good old days actually knew the rules. As for many saying that old Yu-Gi-Oh was the best many would say the same towards modern Yu-Gi-Oh.
Modern Yu-Gi-Oh honestly has more casuals and casual element's in the game than old Yu-Gi-Oh could ever hope to have. Casual decks are actually playable. You can ACTUALLY PLAY Blue eyes, Dark Magician and much more because Konami actually releases support for them.
it's so funny when you'll just like be talking to him and he gets up and grabs something to show you like "look at my blue eyes :)" and you're just like "as I was saying..."
"Madolche stupid" really is the hill he wants to die on ...
Jokes aside, really interesting conversation.
Farfa was probably the worst person for this or the easiest interviewer to address all the problems from his video. I watched farfa’s rewatch of actman’s video and he was basically an actman sympathiser, defending pretty much everything actman said about yugioh
"A lot of research went into that yugioh video." Apparently not enough to understand why cards NEED that much text because of keyphrases or how to play anything more complex than Simochi burn.
“A lot of research”, shows a custom card
I think the Main reason the video got so much hate is how the title is phrased "why was Yu gi oh so awesome" makes some people think that you are saying it isn't awesome at all anymore, and thus they change to defense position.
Or it got hate because it's just nostalgia bait with unfunny yugiboomer memes and custom cards as examples
Just to name a few things
@@andrejv.2834 cry and seethe, you weren’t the target audience
@@V-O-V it doesn't matter who the target audience is if you misinform them, that's just a bad thing to do period
@@V-O-V You're right he's not the targeted audience because he actually knows what modern and old Yu-Gi-Oh is and isn't easy to misinform
Talking with this guy reminds me of talking to anyone just starting to get back into old school yugioh, or just finding their old cards. You're trying to talk about yugioh and maybe throw in ideas about new stuff, and they just flash Gravity Bind and other irrelevant cards lmao.
I enjoyed his video, I found it to be more on the humorous side over serious and I'm glad to hear that it was his intent
"I didn't intend to imply modern competitive Yu-Gi-Oh was bad."
Literal title of the video: 'Why *WAS* Yu-Gi-Oh so good??!?! And what happened to it..?'
ActMan, I love you like a brother, but come on dog.
To be fair, I don't necessarily think that the title implies that modern Yugioh is bad. It can be read like someone who enjoyed the game 10-15 years ago, and is now jumping in to see how the game has changed since then.
@@FearedKamil It at least implies that Yu-Gi-Oh is no longer good. That's why I emphasized the was. He's asking, "Why was" not "Why is".
you can get this same effect by playing rogue decks, i made a somewhat competitively viable deck with junk synchron and F.A. and it’s so fun to play, but its also modern
its very easy to make a competitive deck that is also fun to play, you dont have to play meta, rogue decks still work, maybe not as well as meta but who cares you don’t have to always win
Rouge decks make yugioh so much more enjoyable. Sure I COULD play meta like everyone else but that's boring. Right now I'm playing Magnet Warriors, Vampires and Dark Magician and I'm having a blast. Throw in some staples and it's a grand ole time
"if you try playing modern yugioh"
if you tried, you end up with a cheese deck. everything ends up cheese.
There is a lore reason why xyz and links don't have levels, the xyz reason is more flimsey than the link reason. They are:
Xyz - they from another reality via a black hole. So they don't work the same way other extra deck monsters do.
Link - they're computer programs (also the reason why they're mostly cyberse). As computer programs, they aren't "real" flesh, blood, and metal based monsters and therefore don't operate the same way. Also the reason why they don't have defense - as they aren't actually alive (OG card design considered the defense value as analogous to both tankiness and a monster's health).
Act Man would propably enjoy Eldlich or Runick Stun.
I learn more and more how great my high school was, it was a magnet school so like glee but in the hood. Up till 11th grade we played Yu-Gi-Oh at lunch and I don't have a single memory of even being looked at funny.
I think the whole fake yugioh card situation in that it just blends in with real yugioh cards is just a little dumb as it goes back to even stating he did his research but didn’t bother to double check on the yugioh database if that card was real? Just feel like he made a misstep
Ahhh dragon rulers, right when I quit physical Yu-Gi-Oh for good.
No topic about the "RUSH DUEL" no reaction too
those decks are pure madness no sane person would do this
I'm at the start of the video and I have to say "It'd just my opinion" is not really a defence of the act man video.
I get that he is just sharing his experience but you are still making statements about things and putting it in a video to share to an audience. Your opinions can still be judged and criticized, you opened yourself up to it by uploading a video.
It's like if I upload a video on why the earth is flat and how I think that if you sail in a direction long enough you will fall off and die. If anyone tries to address anything about it I'll just tell them it's my opinion and my view on the subject.
Either actually make a defense of your opinion or admit to the faults in your video, "this is just my experience and you can have your own" does not absolve you of all responsibility.
@PharoTalon not very serious, taking responsibility can have various interpretations.
I mean if you are going to go and explain your video and respond to criticism, just saying how it's your opinion and also that you were only pretending to be a boomer does not absolve the mistakes made in the video.
Either justify your arguments or admit to your faults. It would be far more respectable than what actually was said in this video.
@@0SilentShot0he did admit his faults did you watch this video?
@@FlyXcur I did. No he did not.
He explained things off as either his opinion oh him "pretending to be a yugiboomer to show the perspective" without addressing any of the major criticisms.
I'll give one example: in the original video he mentions that if you took a hiatus from the game and went to locals with your deck from 10 years ago, you would get destroyed by the current decks.
No shit, there isn't a constantly updated game around right now that you could jump back into with the knowledge and resources from a decade ago and not get absolutely shafted. And he presented that as an argument that something has gone wrong with yugioh.
Just so people understand I was that yugiboomer at one point, I am well aware that the game has major flaws and is far from ideal. But making inaccurate arguments is still an issue.
@PharoTalon like I said in my original argument, the earth is flat, it's my opinion, you cannot argue against my opinion of it.
@PharoTalon "I beat my friends with my deck so the game is absolutely fine."
If there are any logical fallacies, they are yours. You can 100% be criticized for your opinions if there are arguments against it. The only time you cannot be argued against is when you say I like or dislike something, because people cannot dictate your preferences.
As soon as you have arguments for or against something, you can be argued against and you can be wrong, it being an opinion or not makes 0 difference.
i will not take Hootcake into Messengelato slander
Act man clearly did not put any thought into his critiques. Ranks and Link rating bad but then there is less complication with those than just making them levels and dealing with all of that. I think he needs to watch some duel logs and see whats possible with those old cards.
I would love if they do another video with MBT.
I’m gonna sound like and be an asshole for a sec, it was like you were talking to a child. I feel like he didn’t listen or comprehend what you said and at times would walk off and bring some random shit up to show you lmao. I didn’t watch live so it could’ve been how this video was edited. Also before anyone says it, no I’m not an omega nerd who is complaining about him not getting the game, I don’t even play myself anymore.
It's cool to hear more from him about it - I think some of his wording wasn't the best in the original video, and it made him come across as more of a stereotypical angry Yugiboomer than he actually is, or appears to be in this video.
Props for also kinda taking it in stride and coming to talk about it, though I'd like to hear his thoughts on MBT's vid.
25"38 I can see now why people started explaining which card is in which part of the chain now
I feel the opposite of the Hungry Burger support. I hate it because the rest of the cards are stylistically nothing like Hungry Burger. Their effects also feel like they made an archetype then remembered people like Hungry Burger and tacked it on as an afterthought to drum up hype. Hungry Burger will now never get support that fits better. Very disappointed.
I doubt there really was much that could be done
Oh wow, imagine overlay link-2 monsters.
Spright: HELLO
Modern Yugioh is more about knowing your combos and the meta decks so you can counter them at the right moment. Early YGO was much slower and allowed for more “intuitive” gameplay where even if you didn’t know every card or deck, you could make educated guesses much more easily. The game was slower and although you had blowout cards and established staples that every deck ran that you had to know to do well, it wasn’t like a lot of hyper consistent modern decks that at full power have to be stopped at one specific point with a hand trap turn 1 to not lose.
I think there’s a lot to be said for the skill in modern YGO, but sometimes you just want a slower, more relaxed and methodical game. Modern YGO doesn’t offer that and it would be great to see another format take off that catered to players who want a more Friday Night Magic sort of vibe at the local card shop.
If you want a slower game just play a control deck
Sky striker or labrynth are pretty good, labrynth doesn't even rely on floodgates
@@andrejv.2834 I do lol, but that doesn’t change the fact that the pace and types of interactions are different now compared to early YGO, which is really what people like ActMan dislike, IMO. Speed Duel and Rush Duel unfortunately don’t play like early YGO either, so they’re not viable alternatives for players wanting a more “MTG feel” like early YGO.
13:09 yes the inflexible spright deck. Surely it will not have one billion different varieties
Let's go!! MBT interview with Act man