When I ate the corpse one of the npcs told me I had bad breath. I went back to my recent load and declined eating the body. My dragonborns breath is minty fresh bitch
Im 33. I have kids etc. Been sround a while played a lot of games. Etc. I have never had more hype for a game than i do for es6. Im starting to not really enjoy fps anynore bc i kind of just want to chill more in games. Thats why i am only champ 2 on rocket league any more is too sweaty for what im looking for. Es has always been a game to be as hard or as easy as you want And thats why i just quit yet another mage attempt to start a new khajit thief/assassin....again....
Koding Krusader Couldn’t agree more dude i feel the same, fps are getting kind of redundant to me. I’ve always been an rpg guy, but i feel like i’m at the point where they are really actually all i play now. There’s nothing i want more than ES6... been waiting way too damn long.
@@kodingkrusader2765 it always ends at the dreaded sneak archer. I always end up doing one hand spells (mainly restoration) and a sword with heavy armor
I once had an Archer/assassin that was named pack mule. He was a Khajiit, who could only use bows. Every level up had to be put on stamina. By the time I got around to doing the main quest his stats looked like this; 100/100 Magicka 100/100 Health 850/850 Stamina....
Lucy Doyen same... only time i ever slept was to initiate the dark brotherhood quests, and even then was cause i had to xD besides, what is sleep to a werewolf?
@Marie Smith Beginning character decisions are HARD, so many cool options in Skyrim. Do I want Restoration in addition to Evocation, or do I just want two fisted Fire all game long...or lightning..or cold. How much do I put in being a smooth talker? Do I want to focus on Sneaking? Don't forget bow use..but the two handed weapons are fun. Wait....I forgot Crafting...Argh!
I could never kill Paarthurnax. Heck, I am Dragonborn, Blades are supposed to serve me, not the other way around. I would never kill one of my own kind that helped save Tamriel multiple times and taught first warriors how to use Thuum. Screw Blades, if they want Paarthurnax, they have to get through me.
I think that the killing Paarthurnax decision could have been better by having him not fight back. Imagine, you’ve made the gut-wrenching choice to kill the dragon, and as you raise your sword, he does not flinch, but looks you in the eyes as your blade falls on his head. And as you hack away, he does not retreat, but simply talks to you about his regret for the things he did, and an understanding for your actions. He talks about disappointment that he didn’t get to make up for his crimes. And as you strike the killing blow, he whispers his final words: “Sky Above, Voice Within. Goodbye, Dovahkiin.”
It usually takes a lot to make me cry, but this.... if he were to really do this.... just thinking about it breaks my heart. I can't raise my sword against him WITHOUT saying that. It would be impossible if he said and did that. You just made me cry.... I don't know whether to congratulate you or kick your butt for being so cruel. 😭😭😭
omg... I've never killed him.. Played 20 times, and never did this monstruosity. Paarthurnax is a legend, a master. "What is better - to be born good or to overcome your evil nature through great effort?". And if what you said really happened, I guess nobody would be able to get to his final words. I would run and kill the blades. (also they are motherfuckers and you always have to prove your worth)
Astrid: "You can only leave here when someone die!" The last Dragonborn, Archmage of the college of winterhold,Dragon slayer,the one who ended the civil war of Skyrim,Harbinger of the companions, champion of all daedric princes, thane of all 9 holds,master of the thu'um,leader of the thieves guild, the *freaking, main, character* : "is that so?"
"Is it better to be born good, or to overcome your evil nature?" Alduin was special even among dragons, he lorded over them, and the dragons were as subjugated as the people. Parthurnax had no choice in the matter. However, when given the chance to fight back, he did, and he saved the world by doing so. Parthurnax is redeemed by his actions, and no one will convince me otherwise.
Was there even an option to not kill him? I felt really bad for bashing him in the head...I mean why wouldn't you give a man a chance to be a good guy again?
I like to think that Paarthurnax would make a great dad or grandpa if dragons could have kids. He seems to have the patience and caring personality for either roll! :)
If I'm not mistaken, it was Paarthurnax that first taught mortals how to use the voice, and he was the first dragon to openly defy Alduin's lordship. He did a lot more than "community service" with that.
With Parthurnaax, the decision becomes far easier once you realise that Delphine is trying to manipulate the dragonborn into doing what she wants. The Blades are sworn to serve the dragonborn and if the dragonborn thinks its okay to keep Big Old Dragon Master around, the Blades need to shut their faces and watch.
Delphine isn't manipulating anyone. She is straightforward about what she wants from him. Trying to persuade and manipulating aren't the same thing, you know. Also, the Blades aren't compelled to blindly obey a delusional Dragonborn. They learned to rely on their own judgment in the time where there was no Dragonborn to lead them. How about Parthurnaax himself? It's very much possible that he's simply manipulating the Dragonborn, his deadliest rival, to get rid of his second deadliest, Alduin. As soon as the Dragonborn dies of old age, he has no more significant rivals and the Dragons are free to subjugate all races of Tamriel under Parthurnaax' rule. The only evidence that his intentions are noble is his *word* and that of the Greybeards. His *actions* in the past and the *nature of dragons* in general suggest otherwise and support the Blades' position.
Stryfe564 ya... parthurnax sat on that mountain for thousands of years keeping watch for Alduin so he could betray the dragonborn.... also parthurnax never asked you for any help you asked him all he requested from you was to talk with him a little then you got delphine the one that made you go through hoops to prove your dragonborn then makes you break into a embassy owned by her enemy not your enemy hers oo then makes you save her companion then she tells you to kill the only person who asked nothing of you and helped you more then she did or she would have nothing to do with you. ...... ya... I'll take my chances with Alduin over delphine at least he's honest
The classic is the best. Unrelenting shout her off the Throat of the world. Although she is marked as essential and thus cannot die, somehow she never made it back into the Temple on my playthrough, unlike Esbern who did and is still chilling there being happy that I blasted her sorry ass into an alternate universe.
Paarthurnax wasn't a hard decision , who cares if he killed 10-10.000 people, in probably less than a year ingame time I myself sacrificed a companion, ate a priest, ate the people who told me to eat the priest, killed a priestess for the black star, killed a museum owner, about 1000 Bandits, the emperor etc so why blame him for crimes he did hundreds of years ago ...
hmmmm.... being a good person or a deadra worshipping cannibal. I'm an honorable member of the companions, so... I already worship the daedra Hircine and when I transform into a werewolf I eat people anyways. *_LET'S HAVE SOME DINNER_*
Unlike the murderer in the allegory Paarthurnax was not caught and punished with community service. He instead overcame the most base nature of his entire species and chose to make amends of his own free will. And he has been doing this for far more than just the lifetime of the current Blades or the Dragonborn but ever since the Merethic Era, meaning long before Skyrim was actually called Skyrim, before the Blades were a thing, hell before the Empire and 90% of the lore we know were a thing. If you kill him at this point you are not bringing back the many people he killed and undoing his atrocities. You are however undoing all the good he would have done by teaching man and mer to protect themselves and teaching Dragons to live alongside them. And even if someone were to claim that Paarthurnax is really some evil mastermind that might turn on everyone after getting all those dragons under his control it wouldn't make any sense. After all it's not like he could become a new Alduin, even if he did become the new head honcho of the dragons. The only dragon that could bring him back if he died is now dead and he helped you do that, and you know the Dragonrend shout designed to kill dragons, which he helped you learn. Not only that, the Dragon War ended in the creation of Dragonrend and Alduins banishment and even gave man and mer a fighting chance in the current day because he betrayed Alduin at a time when it would have been considered suicide to do so. Considering dragons are terrified of the concept of mortality because it was never something they had to fathom it would make no sense for him to give the dragonborn the tools needed to kill him and then turn against him.
Master Chief I believe so, you have to pickpocket the letters off of them and then you can show both to her. Never done it though, just read it off of the wiki.
the hardest decision i found is whether or not to kill Madanach and his men in the Cidna Mine during the Forsworn conspiracy questline. The Forsworn are known murderers and raiders, and if you help them escape the Mine they will leave a path of bloodshed through the city of Markarth. However, while talking to all the forsworn prisoners is the mine you learn of the horrors and the hardships they've experienced thanks to the Bear of Markarth and the Silverblood Family. It's like you're damned if you don't but you're damned if you do. Instead of a clear right and wrong, there are all sorts of shades of gray in this decision, and you have to weigh the choice based on your own values what the correct action should be.
OpenWorldAddict I can’t believe this doesn’t have more likes. This was my hardest quest too. I just wanted to save the people who were wrongly imprisoned and give them a chance to see their families again. As soon as we left the mine, I dumped the forsworn armor and now I just don’t go back to Markarth
@@c.m.880 It would have been one of the best quest-lines in the game if the decision you made had actual consequences in the game. It would have been fantastic if you had been declared a criminal for having helped the forsworn escape the mine due to the trail of bloodshed they left as they went through the city,. They really messed up on this.
OpenWorldAddict occasionally NPCs will say something along the lines of “didn’t I see you escaping the mine with those forsworn?” or something like that but otherwise there’s no consequences. Which is pretty much the biggest problem with the game. I would’ve loved for you actions to change the world around you. Not to the extent of like butterfly effect stuff but you know, Id like *someone* to acknowledge that I saved the world idk. I’ll still keep playing though 😂
Idk the city is the most corrupt of all in the game. Seeps evil from every crack in the cities concrete walls. Let some people have revenge on corruption. As dragonborn giving a voice to the little man is much better than some little golden coin that has no real value. Plus gold is the most looted item in the game so if a player fails at obtaining a fortune they might want to go back to kindergarten and start counting their plastic pennies. The worthless septims are found everywhere and finishing the main story with at least 50k in pocket is common among well established dragonborn.
Never kill Paarthurnax. The way punishments are supposed to work is to make people regret their crimes. In some cases people are put into prison just to protect others, but mostly to give them a new chance. Paarthunax obviously used his chance to be a good guy, so no punishment needed. And in Alduins times ALL Dragons served Alduin. If he stood up against the others they would probably have killed him or something like this.
unlike hitler and stalin he haven't killed anyone in centuries and overcome his born evilness and hoping dragons to do same he help dragonborn DEFEAT ALDUIN THAT COULD HAVE BEEN THE EXTINCT OF MANKIND
Paarthanax himself said dragons are not to be trusted. And Delphene makes a good point in that he betrayed Alduin, as that doesn't really make him any better, it makes him worse as a trusted ally.
A Son Rises, Are you saying that Paarthurnax in worse than Alduin for trying to prevent a mass genocide? Besides, it was mentioned that he wasn't just spending some time to right his wrongs, he chose to spend his whole LIFETIME to atone for his sins. How is he a bad guy?
I ate the priest, saved Saadia, killed all three prisoners, let Cicero live, and I refuse to kill Paarthinax. I've also done reverse play thrus. And mixed it up playing ultimate good and ultimate evil play thrus... Wow I've played this game too much.
All kidding aside, I'm at my 15th or so playthrough, having reinstalled the vanilla game for symbolic reasons, and am just levelling to get the ebony warrior one last time for ultimate closure. It's been great, but yeah, I milked the game to death myself.
Madison Lewis-Bennett I killed the cannibals, let Saadia be taken for selling her country out, killed Astrid, i would let Cicero live if I didnt kill Astrid, and didnt kill Paarthinax.
With the "In my Time of Need" quest, I originally sided with Saadia and paid to get the warrior out of prison and went to the cave to kill Kematu then I went with his plot to lure Saadia out of Whiterun to be captured. Then after I got my reward and such, I slit Kematu's throat and then Saadia got up and I killed her too. It was a good day.
Parthurnaax was a very easy choice for me. Yea obviously he used to do horrible things under Alduin but what choice did he have? If he disobeyed he would have likely been killed. And because he teamed up with Alduin he was able to betray him eventually, which lead to his defeat the first time. Then when Alduin comes back he once again helps the last dragonborn defeat him. HE SAVED THE WORLD TWICE!!! Whether that justifies his former actions or not (which it sure as shit does), he may very well be an instrumental part in helping Tamriel in the next crisis. So what, we should kill him because these 2 Blades are butt hurt about him killing people in the past when he was basically forced to do so? Fuck that! Also, when the fuck did the dragonborn take orders from Blades? They are sworn to serve me I don't serve them.
1) Killing Paarthurnax makes the Greybeards hate you. 2) The Blades are in the worst state of Skyrim's guilds, and are just spiteful. 3) If you want an entourage of warriors, the Companions are available.
Mine is "which big cat should I base my Khajiit after?" First was a male snow leopard, second was a tigress, now my recent one is a male black leopard.
5- I ate the corpse, 4- I killed Kematu instead of Saadia, 3 - Killed three of them, 2 - Let Cicero live, 1 - Kill Delphine instead of old dragon. (You can't kill Delphine unless you change her essential with code.)
@Marlon Quintana-Nieto run command help Delphine 0 (or, since 1.6, just help Delphine),Run the command setessential XXXXXXXX 0 (where XXXXXXXX is Delphine's reference id and 0 indicates "off" in boolean integer. Note that any leading zeroes don't have to be involved, so if her refid was 00001234, you would only need setessential 1234 0 for it to work.) it should work
Well, if you complete the main quest without killing Paarth, the Blades will ignore you for the rest of the game. Maybe not the same as killing them, but it's still satisfying as they're gone forever anyway.
In my many years of decision making, never have I had a greater regret then when I killed Paarthunax. There should’ve been a quest to kill the blades I wouldn’t mind that
The quest went away when I spoke to the Grey beards about it. Like the dialogue will pop up saying that the blades want me to kill him. One of the Grey beards says something I forget but then another dialogue pops up saying I'm not going to kill him and it went away for me.
@@Aveuriex I have to ask, were you able to still talk to the blades after that desicion, I'm not going to kill pathurnax, the blades are getting in the way of my character build
@@ClumsysGamingClips okay so what happens is it'll get stuck on the dialogue. They won't help you unless you kill him. You can try both. Like save right before you kill Par. And go talk to the blades after. If you aren't satisfied then just go back to that save. I chose to let him live because I love the dude XD He's totally cool with me.
@@ClumsysGamingClips Theres a mod that lets you literally scream at delphin for disrespecting the dragonborn like that. The walls shake like when the greybeards talk too. I read about it, gonna have to search it tomorrow
At the Embassy Party: Elenwen: Ah, yes - I remember your name from the guest list. Dovahkiin: Delphine and Esbern are in Sky Haven Temple. You're welcome. Elenwen: I guess this wasteland has some redeeming qualities after all! 😊
Simple, really: 1. Eat the priest, what good is he, you get an artifact that counts towards an achievement 2. Save Saadia, I don't buy into Kematu's story and Saadia seems pleasant enough. 3. All three prisoners are asswipes, just Fus Ro Dah them all to oblivion. 4. The only benefit to killing Cicero would be to get his armor set, but you can pickpocket those off of him with the correct perks, so that doesn't do anything. However, with the Keeper dead, there is nobody to tend to the night mother. We can't have that, so, keep him alive. He'll also become available as a pretty strong follower later on (though he does remain as annoying as ever). 5. Why would I want to kill Paarthunax? Props to the blades for stomping out evil dragons, but, jeez, this dragon turned his life around, ignored his own instincts and started working with humans to fight the evil of Alduin. And besides, the blades are sworn to follow the dragonborn, not the other way around. Just who does Esbern think he is, ordering the dragonborn around. Know thy place, you maggot!
Reasons not to kill Cicero: 1) If you spare him, he can be a follower, who CANNOT die. 2) His commentary is bloody funny at times. (When in Markarth, he shouts: "Cicero saw a dwarf! He did! He did! Oh, no. Sorry. No dwarf...") He definitely brightens up dungeons and creepy places in my opinion. 3) Cicero is the most loyal Brother to date. After everyone in the Dark Brotherhood left Cicero stayed with the Night Mother for EIGHT years. 4) Sithis loves him, so he won’t be happy if you kill him. He’s kept every secret for so long, and again, he’s very loyal. (Lucien even says, “The Dread Father does not wish for Cicero to be killed.”) 5) He never actually tries to kill anyone else from the dark brotherhood, even though he makes a joke about it when you return to the new sanctuary at Dawnstar. 6) If you do spare him but you lie to the rest of the Brotherhood no one can see him (they don’t react) when you bring him back to the Dawnstar sanctuary. 7) He's actually an amazing fighter and can take people down really quickly. He can use staffs, blades, shields, war hammers, etc. 8) Astrid is a b*tch to you, you will soon find out.
9) When he is your follower, almost every time you turn around he will be standing about 3 cm from your face and say "LET'S KILL SOMEONE" 10) He is an absolute beast if you have him dual wielding. Sometimes i wonder why my character is so special after seeing him tear through enemies
Actually, they do see him in Dawnstar Sanctuary, they just don't care. The redguard guy (I forget his name for some reason) talks about his annoying dancing sometimes.
Me either. Every time I say to myself that "this is the time I kill Paarthuurnax and do the Blades quests" and then I can't bring myself to actually do it! I charge dragons! I never back down! What do you mean that I have every shout unlocked... I still have 50 dragon souls left! Yet I can't bring myself to kill Big P. I think it's because I question the Blades motives but not Paarthurnax'. We see eye to eye.
Skeptical Eye yeah I never really liked Delphine anyways. Her strength in battle turns me on but other than that she is just a bitch who only cares about what is important to her. Paarthurnax cares about to future of both dragons and humans. He wants both to be kind of like shield brothers if you ask me.
you can 'not to killing paarthurnax' . just go straight on alduin quest and ignore the 'kill paarthurnax' quest. after you defeated alduin, the quest will gone. and of course, paarthurnax still alive. (sorry if i made a mistake in my english)
I know these Skyrim vids are 5 years old at this point, but I just love the way you present them. You don't just say what the thing is, it's like you're telling a story. It's delightful.
I think killing Paarthurnax is wrong because he was force by Alduin to fight with people and then he choose to be peaceful and mindful and he want to change dragons to their better nature. "What is better ? To be born good or overcome your evil nature through great effort" - Paarthurnax. Like come on guys he is freaking enlightenment dragon ! :D
You can actually learn Fire Breath from anywhere (in which case he just teaches you the next word), depending on how much adventurin' you've done before meeting him on top of the world. I also like the idea that maybe it was Kynareth who made Paarthunax sympathetic to humans in the first place.
It's implied that he actually betrayed Alduin for the Humans because he couldn't surpass Alduin on his own. And he himself says that he fights the urge to revert to violence every moment of his being and that he may one day break his pact with the world. I'm not saying that killing him is the morally correct decision, but the argument for sparing him isn't perfect. I never killed him myself, but I never trusted him either.
Marshall Thompson maybe he did, but this days he is doing his best to follow the way of the voice, if there is one dragon that has a decent chance of overcoming his nature then it is Parthy.
To not kill Paarthurnax was an easy conclusion to come to. The greybeard dude (arngeir or some shit) explains it really well. and yes i know he is biased but the blades are just bloodthirsty fkers lets be real. So Arngeir said that when Paarthurnax served alduin is was literally the only way...its what all dragons did it didn't even seem to be a choice. So when good old Paarthy told alduin to go fk himself he is rebelling against his very nature which is some mad shit (that would be like me turning down a pie not gonna happen) so while yeah he did terrible stuff that shit was war and he was on the side his nature compelled him to be...i'm sure humans did some fked up shit to but hey you don't see paarthurnax saying kill delphine she murdered my uncles sisters nephew or some shit.
I mean to be honest the morally correct decision is not to kill Paarthurnax. Paarthurnax being alive means he's converting dragons to the Way of the Voice. If he didn't convert those dragons, they would almost certainly go on to kill some people. It doesn't matter what happened in the past, what happened in the past already happened. If you kill Paarthurnax you will cause the deaths of more innocents than if you spare him, so sparing him is an easy choice to make.
Parthunax MIGHT TRY to sway other Dragons to the Way of the Voice, or he might change his mind, or they might not listen. Parthanax could command the remaining dragons to kill every last mortal, just because he hasn't doesn't mean he won't.
I hate to eat the priest, since I like his personality, but the Ring of Namira is too beneficial to pass up. I always give Saadia up simply because her side of the story meshes less than her pursuers. If she wanted help, she should've been completely honest, since she was out of options and trusting a stranger anyway. Since she was clearly not entirely truthful, she had something to hide. Maybe she wasn't as guilty as the Redguards made her out to be, but she was certainly guilty of something. I kill all three prisoners, as a mercy killing. Whoever survives is always stuck in that shack the rest of the game anyway; they don't disappear, always remaining tied up. You can't actually free them. If you could, the choice would matter more. I let Cicero live, since I don't find him all that annoying and actually agree with most of what he says. Astrid's leadership led the Dark Brotherhood to the dump, and the fact that she always betrays you, regardless of your choice, means there's no point in being loyal to her, hot chick or not. As far as the Paarthurnax dilemma goes, the big guy himself said it best: "What is better? To be born good or to overcome your evil nature through great effort?" He didn't just go through ten years of community service, he went through centuries of it, truly reforming himself. Besides, what the Blades are basically doing is tracking down and attempting to kill the retired lone general of an opposing army from a battle that concluded before their great-great-grandparents were even born. The Blades don't care about avenging the lives lost because of Paarthurnax. They don't even care about honor, or they'd do it themselves. They just see him as a black stain in their history, and you're the janitor they hired to clean it up, and you're not allowed to play in their clubhouse anymore until you do. Talk about ungrateful and dishonorable after you killed Alduin ALONE. Hands down, no matter how you look at it, keeping Paarthurnax alive is the moral thing to do.
In the Xbox 360 edition, you can untie them if you go behind them and click the action button,I don't know about other versions though. Edit: Talking about the kidnapped people in the beginning of the dark brotherhood questline.
While I agree with not killing g Paarthurnax, we do the same thing when we hunted down people involved in the holocaust or any other insane war crimes. It's not hands down immoral to kill paarthurnax. Its grey either way and subjective
ichigoeater I agree totally. Besides, it’s the blades responsibility to serve the dragonborn no matter what, then they have the audacity to demand the dragonborn to kill Paarth like he or she is some kind of mercenary to them, to do their dirty work. They don’t have honor at all, otherwise they would’ve done it themselves like you’ve said. If the blades weren’t always like this, then Delphine and Esbern are a disgrace to the blades.
I got attacked by the Thalmor later in the game, I never figured out why, though. This now makes a lot of sense seeing as I have done literally NOTHING ELSE that could've irritated them.
I mean, if you completed the main quest "Diplomatic Immunity", they'd have plenty reason. You stole vital information and killed at least two guards, if not nearly all of them. There's also the fact that you're dragonborn, and your very existence strengthens the human races' faith in Talos (the very thing they want to wipe out), given that Tiber Septim was also dragonborn. Tbh, I don't think Saadia has anything to do with the Thalmor coming after you. I had that happen in my game too, and I killed Kematu.
5: Eat the dude for daedric completion, also if you're a vampire it's not out of the norm. 4: There's more evidence for Kematu's side, the game devs made this quest to see if the player would fall for a pretty face. 3: Kill them all, they all have a contract on them, it makes the most sense based on how the DB operate. 2: Don't kill Cicero, he's a traditionalist, never seen someone so faithful to his job. Also, fuck messing with Sithis' will. 1: Never kill Paarthrunax, you monster. He's done so much for mankind and deserves to live, also, the blades aren't what they once were, they're arseholes, fuck 'em.
I usually go with Kematu because he paralyzes Saadia instead of killing her. The burial urn thing probably always occurs when an npc is removed from a city.
I may be interpreting lore wrong, a very possible possibility, but I believe the exact state was either A. She helped the Dominion and when they lost anyway she fled for fear of being charged with treason, or B. The Dominion won (Not canonical. Hammerfell is free) and she, a supporter of the rebels, fled to Skyrim. Either way, yeah she had a .000000001% chance of being judged innocent, but again, the fact that Kematu paralyzed her, the game equivalent of tying her up, and not killing her on the spot, I think he's more believable.
Jarl Balgruf hates the Thalmor...There's a Thalmor agent hiding in his hold....Why didn't Kematu simply go to the Jarl and ask to take her? Bet he would've let them just "bag and drag" her. Plus, the Alik'r prisoner you speak to first has too much bad attitude to be on a "righteous" quest.
1) I chose the Imperials cause I played Oblivion. 2) I killed all prisoners because of my character build. 3) I let Cicero live because he served Sithis well. 4) I refused to kill Paarthinax because he 's the leader of the Greybeards. 5) I saved Saadia because DAMN that chick is hot!
The Stormcloaks worship Talos, and the Empire kind of abandoned him, although this, they still don't mind that their citizens will worship Talos, they just don't want them to do it loudly..
The real enemy is the thalmor. Even without mentioning racism or how much of a selfish hipocrit Ulfric is, you can't deny that skyrim's best shot against the dominion is the empire. It's not like they've forsaken their founder for coin like ulfric likes to say, it was either that or anihilation. Talk to that imperial chick that advises Tullius, she hates the thalmor and make it seem that she worshipps talos, also there's the whole thing with Torygg's horn, people have always worshipped talos in secret, but thanks to Ulfric the Thalmor got suspicious and started arresting everybody.
I chose Imperials because Ulfrich is working with the Thalmore. I know in the open he claims to hate them. And probably does. But he went behind everyone's back and worked with them for nothing other than his own need for power. And I just can't stand the Thalmore.
Plus he was in the right to try to kill Astrid. She betrayed the brotherhood by breaking the tenets and so I saved Cicero. Astrid just wants to lead the brotherhood her way and ignore the night mother.
I cared about Cicero because he was my Brother. I didn't kill him, because he was simply living up to the tenets that Astrid had broken. And she had broken almost all of them. Just breaking one will make you face the Wrath of Sithis. I feel no pity for Astrid. She insulted our Night Mother and no longer followed the tenets left to us by our Dread Father. She deserves her fate. And Cicero did no wrong. Astrid didn't deserve to be Matron of the sanctuary. She believed she was above us, the Listener. And even worse, she believed she was above the Night Mother. Our Unholy Matron. According to the order of control for the Dark Brotherhood, she isn't even above Cicero, as Keeper. Lucien Lachance sees this, as well. And tells you that we shouldn't kill him. ... I can only hope to serve Sithis like Lucien does, even after death. And such a cruel and sad death our Brother had... Hail our Dread Father, the Void, Sithis! Hail our Unholy Matron, the Night Mother! Hail the Dark Brotherhood!
5 no I only did it once for the achievement where you get every dedric artifact after that I never did it again 4 turn her in 3 kill all but the begging guy 2 spare Cicero, he's not the bad guy sure he's practically insane but he just wanted things to return to how they should've been all along 1 screw the blades parthanax helped us kill his brother and former leader therefore helping us save the whole world I feel like that makes up for his past actions
@@carag3921 then she has the audacity to say she doesn't believe you when you say "Yeah I'm Dragonborn." Like... B i t c h I have probably been arrested for shouting at chickens right outside your establishment.
They fought in more battles than Paarthurnax, helped the people more than Paarthurnax, helped me find out about Dragonrend, unlike Paarthurnax, gave me a cool temple, cool armor, and help me kill Dragons faster, all unlike Paarthurnax.
Saadia‘s burial urn appearing is probably just a bug, when in skyrim a character file gets removed (usually because they‘re dead) their burial urn is automatically placed in the catacombs, so after the quest her character probably just gets removed and bethesda forgot to change it, the thalmor explicetly telling you that you interfered one of their spys though...
During "In My time Of Need" if you turn Saadia in, you see her ashes in the Hall of the Dead. But did you know that every killable NPC in Whiterun has ashes in the Hall if they die. So it could just be something the Devs forgot to take.
The ashes is just Bethesda's way of dealing with important NPCs that need to be removed from the game, and the Thalmor Death Squads are a random encounter, they can and will spawn regardless of whether or not you've handed Saadia over to Kamatu. I do believe, however, that the quest to infiltrate the Thalmor Embassy increases the chance that they will come after you.
Butter of Sorrow I like that you can't tell who is telling the truth it's like real life in that regard so you just have to go with your gut instinct. ryan alving Thalmor assassin's try to kill you if you make them your enemies I have had Thalmor assassin's attack me well before I ever did that quest.
When I played “Taste of Death”, I decided from the beginning I was gonna troll the cannibals in the only fitting way I could think of: I cooperated with the cannibal chick long enough to get the priest to the dinner party. When he took his Jedi-mind-trick-induced nap and I was asked to kill him, I stood there a moment, turned around... and transformed into a werewolf right in front of the cannibals, all of whom I promptly and brutally slaughtered, the dinner guests themselves becoming main course. Yeah, I guess it’s a bit hypocritical for a heart-devouring werewolf to pass judgement on a cannibal cult... but at the very least, my werewolf form’s appetite is reserved exclusively for those who have it coming... in this case, a dinner party full of cannibals. The priest? Eh, I had nothing against him, so I just used my wolf roar to send him running and screaming out of the tunnel and into the countryside.
Agreed, I like Parthunaax far too much to kill him, I did it once, and I felt horrible about it, screw the Blades, only two of them still alive anyways, Delphine is a condescending, self-important bitch and Esbern is just plain paranoid.
Me too... murder an ancient speaking dragon master who is nice to me, to hang out with an anoying Breton gal?? If I could, I'd kill Delphine just for suggesting to slay my scaly friend...
I accidentally killed Parthunaax. I had some broken water pipes in my house and called a certified plumber to fix it. I waited for him to come, expecting a short Italian man with a mustache, but what I got was a fire breathing Dragon.
Jack Williamson well yes he taught them the way of the voice and how to use it. But not how to use DragonRend. Remember Paarthurnax even said it himself that he Haden’s heard it used before. Not to mention that the brain of a dragon couldn’t even comprehend it’s meaning since the shout was created by mankind. That’s why you have to retrieve the elder scroll in order to learn the shout from the three who originally used it to cast Alduin forward in time.
Jack Williamson You are correct. Paarthunax chose to save the Nords after relising that what he did, helding Alduin, was wrong. Don't kill Paarthunax, and what happens to the Blades is up to you. I killed Paarthunax and realised what I did was wrong. I have regretted it ever since.
Deciding weather not to kill paarthinax is easy the greybeards are the most wise people in Skyrim and they think of him as their leader and see him as a good force so killing him would render itself useless
considering the greybeards tell you where word walls are at and will refuse to speak with you for killing paarthurnax i spared him, also the fact paarthurnax can help you train your thuum is a nice plus, what do the blades give you? some potion ill never use lol
Yeah, plus you don't need them to find and hunt dragons, you basically meet one every two minutes. Word walls aren't located in every cavern in Skyrim, so I too think the Greybeards are more useful than the Blades.
It's as easy as this. Side with Parthy, a badass wise ancient Dragon who always helps you and is the leader of the GREYBEARDS, also badass wise elders who have mastered the thu'um and taught you shouts. Orrrrrrrrr... A short milf blonde inn owner and a crazy history guy.
God I kept Cicero alive mostly because I read all volumes of his journal and I just felt so bad for him. He used to be a dedicated non-insane assassin until he became keeper when he was corrupted by Sithis and the 'laughter' that would follow him. Poor bloke.
I wouldn't the reason why I think Cicero is a really bro is the fact that he could attack all of the brotherhood members. Get out alive then that down Arjnborn(w?e his name is) and still have full hp to fight you. Cicero is pretty much one of the strongest bad boys in all of Skyrim. He's like f**k you b*tches and goes masquerading. Farkas and Cicero are pretty much the only 2 bros I like.
Eola is a great follower. Always eat brother V. I always save Saadia, even though she's useless. For the Friends Like These quest, it varies on my mood. Sometimes I waste all three, just to be fair. Cicero is very annoying. My mood determines this one as well. My character needs a jester at times. But I NEVER, EVER KILL PAARTHURNAX. Screw the blades. Screw Delphine. That dragon is special.
omg lol. I can't believe killing Paarthurnax is even an option. The blades are trash. They claim to help the Dragonborn with anything. But then they assign you kill nicest character in the game?! Unbelievable.
Killing Alae Quintas is killing 7 people with one arrow, you have now forsaken the six children of this widow to go on without their mother, their only support in this war torn country. Sure, they might be sent to the orphanage, but there's no guarantee of that, and even the orphanage isn't much of a consolation. That's why despite her venomous tongue I couldn't bring myself to kill her, I didn't want to think of hunger or death or mistreatment befalling 6 innocent children because I took their mothers life on a whim over my bruised ego.
I always keep Cicero alive, because since Astrid is a traitor, it is likely that she was slandering the Night Mother and he had gotten tired of it. Since he knew she was a traitor from the start, his actions, while drastic, can be justified depending on whether or not you actually have played through it before and know that Astrid will betray you. He's also kind of an immortal follower and he actually is very good at sneaking because of his history with the Dark Brotherhood and years of training.
Nah, Paathurnax wasn't a hard decision at all. The Blades are only reduced to a group that seeks revenge and the eradication of all dragons, not coexistance. Instead Paathurnax devoted himself into "overcoming his evil nature through great effort" (which is reaally hard for a dragon) and also tries to do the same with the other dragons. I'm sure they'll have some problrms,some dragons could have their own plans for revenge against the humans, or they could just lose interest or something, but the quick way isn't always the correct. The Greybeards didn't accept Paathurnax as their leader only because he is a dragon ,thus master of the voice. They accepted him because even though he is a spawn of Akatosh, he tries to embrace the Way of the Voice , meaning he tries to embrace Kynareth and be peaceful. It's directly opposing to his nature. Also, let's not forget that when you don't kill Paathurnax the Blades break their vows to you and pledge their life to hunting down the dragons. So, no. I'll choose a giant human-loving dragon instead of some dragon-hating humans
Achievement Unlocked:Went Full Retar d I'd kill the blades and then theres no problem atall nobody will ever know they were gone the blade sanctuary would be all mine forever and parthannax and his friends will be safe
Well, killing the Blades isn't the answer either. It only makes you a murderer, and being Dragonborn doesn't justify that. Although, if it came to it, I would probably do the same. I think the blades shold exist as a diminishing factor, if for example one dragon decides to go rogue, and Paathurnax can't do anything, then they should hunt the dragon down and kill him,before he starts attacking people.
Yep, Parthunax made this whole mess happen to begin with. Am I the only one that sees that opening the time wound is what released Alduin to begin with. Parthunax, lonely as he was, did all this to get his brethren back. F Parthunax, he may be all peaceable now, being the only dragon he would have been hunted down long ago if he wasn't, but with his brothers back that could all easily change
The time rip wasn't broken or anything by Paathurnax. Paathurnax wanted to stop Alduin. That's the reason why he remained at the Throat of the World , because that's where the time rip occured,so that's where Alduin would come out of eventually. But when Alduin came out , he failed to stop him, then Alduin started resurrecting the dragons. He may be suggesting that Paathurnax didn't really try to stop him because he wanted to see his fellow brethren resurrected.
I saved Saadia, killed Cicero, and didn't kill paarthurnax. I couldn't bring myself to kill the dragon who's willing to help me. Screw the blades trying to make me become their puppet
Why on earth would you kill Cicero? He is as essential as a keeper like listener is. And night mother was very fond of him. On top of all that he was absolutely right about Astrid. Sadia aswell, you got fooled by the fact she's a girl, and a hot one. Paarthunax is the only sane decision you made.
Lets see.. I ate ate the priest, then slipped on the Ring of Hircine and changed into a werewolf so I could eat all the cannibals. >.> As Champion of Hircine and an apex predator I don't take well to competition for my food. Astrid caught up with me shortly after. So kind of her to provide me with a three course meal. Saadia? Saved then married her. My redgaurd waifu makes sure my bed stays warm at night. Cicero... The funniest thing about him was his taste. Finally Paarthinax .... This wasn't 'community service'. He worked together with the goddess Kyne herself to gift mankind with the gift of the Voice, helped shut down Aldiun the first time which freed mankind from the rule of all dragons, THEN founded the Way of the Voice which turned the Dragontongue from a tool of power and war into a thing of meditative contemplation and worship. -_- The only reason I didn't finish off the Nazis err I mean Blades myself was because Skyrim won't let you...
When I ate the corpse one of the npcs told me I had bad breath. I went back to my recent load and declined eating the body. My dragonborns breath is minty fresh bitch
Semen Demon You should have shouted that bitch to oblivion
Semen Demon xD
Semen Demon I don't have good breath cause I be eatin that ass
Why go back a game?
Tyler Raposo should've hit him with that ice form shout so he can really feel how winter fresh my breath is 😂
"What is Better, to be born good? Or to overcome your evil nature through great effort"
One sounds more comforting to your peers than the other
Was that something Arngeir said? I don't remember that quote.
"Are people born wicked? Or do they have wickedness thrust upon them?" ;)
Be born good considering it doesn't involve murdering & enslaving tons of people.
@@tjknight 😂
You killed Paarthanax
Secret Achievement Unlocked: What's wrong with you?!
everything
-400 gamer score
@Rogue Viper banned*
I’ve never killed parthurnax so I didn’t get that trophy. I mean like. Fuck 100% 99% it is.
Cyka Blyat no that’s unreasonable. -all and -9999999999. Have fun getting back up
For every time someone has killed parthernax another year is added until elder scrolls six comes out
Im 33. I have kids etc. Been sround a while played a lot of games. Etc.
I have never had more hype for a game than i do for es6. Im starting to not really enjoy fps anynore bc i kind of just want to chill more in games. Thats why i am only champ 2 on rocket league any more is too sweaty for what im looking for. Es has always been a game to be as hard or as easy as you want
And thats why i just quit yet another mage attempt to start a new khajit thief/assassin....again....
Koding Krusader Couldn’t agree more dude i feel the same, fps are getting kind of redundant to me. I’ve always been an rpg guy, but i feel like i’m at the point where they are really actually all i play now. There’s nothing i want more than ES6... been waiting way too damn long.
@@kodingkrusader2765 it always ends at the dreaded sneak archer.
I always end up doing one hand spells (mainly restoration) and a sword with heavy armor
So that's why it's taking so long!
@@kodingkrusader2765 Mods will let you break that cycle of quitting mages.
Hardest decision for me was choosing between magika health or stamina after reaching level 2
Tru tru 😂😂
I know right
That's so true
XD damn right
I once had an Archer/assassin that was named pack mule. He was a Khajiit, who could only use bows. Every level up had to be put on stamina. By the time I got around to doing the main quest his stats looked like this; 100/100 Magicka 100/100 Health 850/850 Stamina....
"should i pick eyes #1 or eyes #5" this speaks to me on a deep and spiritual level
Wild Phantom idk about you, but when I'm playing I forget that Skyrim has beds and that sleep is actually good for you...
Lucy Doyen same... only time i ever slept was to initiate the dark brotherhood quests, and even then was cause i had to xD besides, what is sleep to a werewolf?
TheBlazingFlareon true me too sleeping is usseles for is werewolfs
Marie Smith dude I'll take an hour (or sometimes more) just trying to figure out what I'm going to make my new character into. The struggle
@Marie Smith Beginning character decisions are HARD, so many cool options in Skyrim. Do I want Restoration in addition to Evocation, or do I just want two fisted Fire all game long...or lightning..or cold. How much do I put in being a smooth talker? Do I want to focus on Sneaking? Don't forget bow use..but the two handed weapons are fun. Wait....I forgot Crafting...Argh!
how is killing parthanax hard, its simple, if you kill parthanax uninstall the game because you clearly cant make the right choices
May the Divines bless your kind heart
I killed him because I was young and naive.
@@pasteldreams4204 I killed him when I was an ignorant 10 year old
@@purupurupancake I slaughtered him when I was a child
Well your not given me a reason not to just your opinion
Hardest Decision? Turning off the game or do 1 more quest 1 more quest 1 more quest 1 more quest…..
Morning alarm rings, dang, well I guess I dont need to shower today, I could finnish up this quest instead
I can't say I agree. Always got time for my peeps. And by my peeps I mean the good people of Skyrim who depend on my heroics.
I could never kill Paarthurnax. Heck, I am Dragonborn, Blades are supposed to serve me, not the other way around. I would never kill one of my own kind that helped save Tamriel multiple times and taught first warriors how to use Thuum. Screw Blades, if they want Paarthurnax, they have to get through me.
There is a MOD that allows you to make the Blades follow your lead when you chose not to kill Paarthurnax.
@@Aynot4 tbh that's how it should be in vanilla too.
I mean. The blades are the dragon slayers and serve the ultimate dragon slayer. The player is friends with a dragon. So I kinda understand it.
@@sakuraflower640 Well Isran wants to wipe out the vampire crisis but he's not about to kill Serana after she helped them.
I agree Red Wyvern Emperor. You are absolutely right. Very logical answer too. I like your Moral Compass.
I think that the killing Paarthurnax decision could have been better by having him not fight back.
Imagine, you’ve made the gut-wrenching choice to kill the dragon, and as you raise your sword, he does not flinch, but looks you in the eyes as your blade falls on his head. And as you hack away, he does not retreat, but simply talks to you about his regret for the things he did, and an understanding for your actions. He talks about disappointment that he didn’t get to make up for his crimes. And as you strike the killing blow, he whispers his final words: “Sky Above, Voice Within. Goodbye, Dovahkiin.”
NO! FUCK NO!! T^T
I'm actually crying
It usually takes a lot to make me cry, but this.... if he were to really do this.... just thinking about it breaks my heart. I can't raise my sword against him WITHOUT saying that. It would be impossible if he said and did that. You just made me cry.... I don't know whether to congratulate you or kick your butt for being so cruel. 😭😭😭
omg... I've never killed him.. Played 20 times, and never did this monstruosity. Paarthurnax is a legend, a master. "What is better - to be born good or to overcome your evil nature through great effort?".
And if what you said really happened, I guess nobody would be able to get to his final words. I would run and kill the blades. (also they are motherfuckers and you always have to prove your worth)
Man, this would make anyone feel like shit afterwards (or me at least)
Astrid: "You can only leave here when someone die!"
The last Dragonborn, Archmage of the college of winterhold,Dragon slayer,the one who ended the civil war of Skyrim,Harbinger of the companions, champion of all daedric princes, thane of all 9 holds,master of the thu'um,leader of the thieves guild, the *freaking, main, character* : "is that so?"
The shit treatment of NPC's and inappropriate/lacking of respect is the reason why mods that put them in their right place exists.
The contract was on Astrid, anyway.
So damn true😂
Bruno Veloso its ok in the end she became the black sacrement no big deal
I mean she literally uses her last breath to praise you if you kill her.
"Is it better to be born good, or to overcome your evil nature?"
Alduin was special even among dragons, he lorded over them, and the dragons were as subjugated as the people. Parthurnax had no choice in the matter. However, when given the chance to fight back, he did, and he saved the world by doing so.
Parthurnax is redeemed by his actions, and no one will convince me otherwise.
So he killed hundreds? Thousands heck tens of thousands? How many lived and live today in tamriel? He has saved millions. He is the true hero
Fuck dragons they suck
cara trevoso u wanna fricc n go mate because i'll get me dragon bois to yeet ur kneecaps
Parthenax earned his pardon, the Blades should get yeeted from Sky Haven Temple, whose blood was it that opened it in the first place?
@@samuelhaverghast2442 I agree, the blades suck. Paarthurnax is best boy.
The blades can rot, Paarthurnax is basically the Dragonborn's brother.
DAMN RIGHT
They so can...
Yes
Yeah
Was there even an option to not kill him? I felt really bad for bashing him in the head...I mean why wouldn't you give a man a chance to be a good guy again?
Hardest Question: Greymane Or Battleborn?
Darn Greymane traitors!!
Olfrid Battle-born! Patron of the great clan Battle-born. A name I'm sure you've heard well.
Battlemane
I should bash your face in after all you've done.
Then I say well met friend. I can tell you were a sharp one the moment i laid eyes on you.
I would never kill Paarthurnax. He was my favorite character immediately when I met him and his actions are justified.
Yeah, Paarthurnax is awesome!
I said that once but then I met Cicero
Plus it's the voice of Mario, and i can't kill my main man
Noah R same
I like to think that Paarthurnax would make a great dad or grandpa if dragons could have kids. He seems to have the patience and caring personality for either roll! :)
If I'm not mistaken, it was Paarthurnax that first taught mortals how to use the voice, and he was the first dragon to openly defy Alduin's lordship. He did a lot more than "community service" with that.
More? That's way less! Especially considering he can live for thousands of years!
With Parthurnaax, the decision becomes far easier once you realise that Delphine is trying to manipulate the dragonborn into doing what she wants.
The Blades are sworn to serve the dragonborn and if the dragonborn thinks its okay to keep Big Old Dragon Master around, the Blades need to shut their faces and watch.
Wali Adeeb Delphine just pretty much became Astrid
Wali Adeeb truth
My thoughts exactly. She is always trying to manipulate the Dragonborn.
Delphine isn't manipulating anyone. She is straightforward about what she wants from him. Trying to persuade and manipulating aren't the same thing, you know.
Also, the Blades aren't compelled to blindly obey a delusional Dragonborn. They learned to rely on their own judgment in the time where there was no Dragonborn to lead them.
How about Parthurnaax himself? It's very much possible that he's simply manipulating the Dragonborn, his deadliest rival, to get rid of his second deadliest, Alduin. As soon as the Dragonborn dies of old age, he has no more significant rivals and the Dragons are free to subjugate all races of Tamriel under Parthurnaax' rule.
The only evidence that his intentions are noble is his *word* and that of the Greybeards. His *actions* in the past and the *nature of dragons* in general suggest otherwise and support the Blades' position.
Stryfe564 ya... parthurnax sat on that mountain for thousands of years keeping watch for Alduin so he could betray the dragonborn.... also parthurnax never asked you for any help you asked him all he requested from you was to talk with him a little then you got delphine the one that made you go through hoops to prove your dragonborn then makes you break into a embassy owned by her enemy not your enemy hers oo then makes you save her companion then she tells you to kill the only person who asked nothing of you and helped you more then she did or she would have nothing to do with you. ...... ya... I'll take my chances with Alduin over delphine at least he's honest
killing Paarthurnax?
the only hard decision there is what shout do I want to use on Delphine after hearing her say that.
The classic is the best. Unrelenting shout her off the Throat of the world. Although she is marked as essential and thus cannot die, somehow she never made it back into the Temple on my playthrough, unlike Esbern who did and is still chilling there being happy that I blasted her sorry ass into an alternate universe.
Unrelenting Force right off the Throat of the World
True. She deserves to go to Mehrunes Dagon's realm in Oblivion and burn
Doragon Cro true
Whiterun Guard easy bro soul tear , bitch doesn't deserve her soul .
Paarthurnax wasn't a hard decision , who cares if he killed 10-10.000 people, in probably less than a year ingame time I myself sacrificed a companion, ate a priest, ate the people who told me to eat the priest, killed a priestess for the black star, killed a museum owner, about 1000 Bandits, the emperor etc
so why blame him for crimes he did hundreds of years ago ...
I absolutely agree with you!
Plox I laughed so hard when you said, "ate a priest. Ate the people who told me to eat a preist."
I did that too that one time :D my carecter was ever-hungry murder on legs.
In tabletop RPG terms a "murder hobo"
yes! perfect!
hmmmm.... being a good person or a deadra worshipping cannibal.
I'm an honorable member of the companions, so...
I already worship the daedra Hircine and when I transform into a werewolf I eat people anyways.
*_LET'S HAVE SOME DINNER_*
...who are werewolves that feed on humans anyway so...?
Somehow I never realized that the Companions questline is a daedric questline.
exactly!!!
I was a bosmer so it suited my character too for.... different reasons 😳
Unlike the murderer in the allegory Paarthurnax was not caught and punished with community service. He instead overcame the most base nature of his entire species and chose to make amends of his own free will. And he has been doing this for far more than just the lifetime of the current Blades or the Dragonborn but ever since the Merethic Era, meaning long before Skyrim was actually called Skyrim, before the Blades were a thing, hell before the Empire and 90% of the lore we know were a thing. If you kill him at this point you are not bringing back the many people he killed and undoing his atrocities. You are however undoing all the good he would have done by teaching man and mer to protect themselves and teaching Dragons to live alongside them.
And even if someone were to claim that Paarthurnax is really some evil mastermind that might turn on everyone after getting all those dragons under his control it wouldn't make any sense. After all it's not like he could become a new Alduin, even if he did become the new head honcho of the dragons. The only dragon that could bring him back if he died is now dead and he helped you do that, and you know the Dragonrend shout designed to kill dragons, which he helped you learn. Not only that, the Dragon War ended in the creation of Dragonrend and Alduins banishment and even gave man and mer a fighting chance in the current day because he betrayed Alduin at a time when it would have been considered suicide to do so. Considering dragons are terrified of the concept of mortality because it was never something they had to fathom it would make no sense for him to give the dragonborn the tools needed to kill him and then turn against him.
Ledge Buoy
If i have a kid who ends up killing Paarthurnax, I will actually ground him
In this essay I will-
I completely agree. Not with the grounding/beating of kids, I meant the comment Funyarinpa typed. I do not condone the beating of children.
Hardest decision: Whether to lie for Faendal or Sven...
Tell the girl that they're both lieing to her.
StitchVIIIVI That... That's an option!?
StitchVIIIVI WAIT I didn't know that, is that a real option
Master Chief I believe so, you have to pickpocket the letters off of them and then you can show both to her. Never done it though, just read it off of the wiki.
Ive assassinated both.
the hardest decision i found is whether or not to kill Madanach and his men in the Cidna Mine during the Forsworn conspiracy questline. The Forsworn are known murderers and raiders, and if you help them escape the Mine they will leave a path of bloodshed through the city of Markarth. However, while talking to all the forsworn prisoners is the mine you learn of the horrors and the hardships they've experienced thanks to the Bear of Markarth and the Silverblood Family. It's like you're damned if you don't but you're damned if you do. Instead of a clear right and wrong, there are all sorts of shades of gray in this decision, and you have to weigh the choice based on your own values what the correct action should be.
OpenWorldAddict I can’t believe this doesn’t have more likes. This was my hardest quest too. I just wanted to save the people who were wrongly imprisoned and give them a chance to see their families again. As soon as we left the mine, I dumped the forsworn armor and now I just don’t go back to Markarth
@@c.m.880 It would have been one of the best quest-lines in the game if the decision you made had actual consequences in the game. It would have been fantastic if you had been declared a criminal for having helped the forsworn escape the mine due to the trail of bloodshed they left as they went through the city,. They really messed up on this.
OpenWorldAddict occasionally NPCs will say something along the lines of “didn’t I see you escaping the mine with those forsworn?” or something like that but otherwise there’s no consequences. Which is pretty much the biggest problem with the game. I would’ve loved for you actions to change the world around you. Not to the extent of like butterfly effect stuff but you know, Id like *someone* to acknowledge that I saved the world idk. I’ll still keep playing though 😂
I always kill Madanach because fuck the Forsworn, they always attack me on sight anyway plus I want that Silver Blood money
Idk the city is the most corrupt of all in the game. Seeps evil from every crack in the cities concrete walls. Let some people have revenge on corruption. As dragonborn giving a voice to the little man is much better than some little golden coin that has no real value. Plus gold is the most looted item in the game so if a player fails at obtaining a fortune they might want to go back to kindergarten and start counting their plastic pennies. The worthless septims are found everywhere and finishing the main story with at least 50k in pocket is common among well established dragonborn.
Literally no one:
Graenolf: CUZ DAYUM THAT CHICK IS HOT
He's not wrong though. I mean I'd definitely smash the night mother tbh.
sorrynotsorry, if she got ropes on her that are holding her decayed body from literally falling apart, she ain't the chick fo me
DreamDruid89 want Ava I’m selling Ava
@@driftingdruid 's better no?
Kill Arnbjorn the s m a s h Astrid because D A Y U M T H A T C H I C K I S H O T
Never kill Paarthurnax.
The way punishments are supposed to work is to make people regret their crimes. In some cases people are put into prison just to protect others, but mostly to give them a new chance.
Paarthunax obviously used his chance to be a good guy, so no punishment needed. And in Alduins times ALL Dragons served Alduin. If he stood up against the others they would probably have killed him or something like this.
Pogostic09 this dragon committed crimes similar to Stalin and hitler (killing millions) u think ur idea of punishment would serve their crimes?
unlike hitler and stalin
he haven't killed anyone in centuries and overcome his born evilness
and hoping dragons to do same
he help dragonborn DEFEAT ALDUIN THAT COULD HAVE BEEN THE EXTINCT OF MANKIND
Paarthanax himself said dragons are not to be trusted. And Delphene makes a good point in that he betrayed Alduin, as that doesn't really make him any better, it makes him worse as a trusted ally.
A Son Rises, Are you saying that Paarthurnax in worse than Alduin for trying to prevent a mass genocide? Besides, it was mentioned that he wasn't just spending some time to right his wrongs, he chose to spend his whole LIFETIME to atone for his sins. How is he a bad guy?
@@spencer7762 he rebelled against Alduin though
I ate the priest, saved Saadia, killed all three prisoners, let Cicero live, and I refuse to kill Paarthinax. I've also done reverse play thrus. And mixed it up playing ultimate good and ultimate evil play thrus... Wow I've played this game too much.
'played'? As in, stopped playing? What's wrong?
bastiaan0741 yes. I've put like 500 hours into this game and it's DLCs on several play throughs. There's only so many different ways to play the game.
All kidding aside, I'm at my 15th or so playthrough, having reinstalled the vanilla game for symbolic reasons, and am just levelling to get the ebony warrior one last time for ultimate closure. It's been great, but yeah, I milked the game to death myself.
Madison Lewis-Bennett I killed the cannibals, let Saadia be taken for selling her country out, killed Astrid, i would let Cicero live if I didnt kill Astrid, and didnt kill Paarthinax.
what ate the priest? i think i forgot that part coz it's already 2 years ago....
With the "In my Time of Need" quest, I originally sided with Saadia and paid to get the warrior out of prison and went to the cave to kill Kematu then I went with his plot to lure Saadia out of Whiterun to be captured. Then after I got my reward and such, I slit Kematu's throat and then Saadia got up and I killed her too. It was a good day.
Sienna Christine or u can get saadia to reward u as well then kill her....
lol
Daniel Sailo damn my friend that's a good idea. I'll do that lmfao
this comment really makes me want to do a "doublecross and kill both parties as much as possible" run, lmao
Sienna Christine Damn that chick is hot
I was waiting for the “... cuz DAMN this dragon’s hot!” joke at the end of the part about Parthunaax. XD
Parthurnaax was a very easy choice for me. Yea obviously he used to do horrible things under Alduin but what choice did he have? If he disobeyed he would have likely been killed. And because he teamed up with Alduin he was able to betray him eventually, which lead to his defeat the first time. Then when Alduin comes back he once again helps the last dragonborn defeat him. HE SAVED THE WORLD TWICE!!! Whether that justifies his former actions or not (which it sure as shit does), he may very well be an instrumental part in helping Tamriel in the next crisis. So what, we should kill him because these 2 Blades are butt hurt about him killing people in the past when he was basically forced to do so? Fuck that! Also, when the fuck did the dragonborn take orders from Blades? They are sworn to serve me I don't serve them.
so do I kill the blades
if Alduin were to somehow return in the future, there needs to be a Parthurnaax around to assist the next Dovahkin
It’s kinda far fetched but I look at parthurnax as hitler he killed probably millions u can just let him get away with it
Spen Cer killing someone will not undo their crimes. If you think ahead there's no reason to kill him even if you don't forgive him
1) Killing Paarthurnax makes the Greybeards hate you.
2) The Blades are in the worst state of Skyrim's guilds, and are just spiteful.
3) If you want an entourage of warriors, the Companions are available.
I killed parthunax once, I wanted to see what happens immidiatly felt too much guilt and regretted it, I quickly reloaded my save and said never again
Dude, I killed parthunax because I thought you HAD to kill him to progress, I didn't know there was a choice. :(
Keshaire!!! R. I. P
Keshaire!!! Monster
beckoning beast Did you not read my comment?
Keshaire!!! I did, the dude who called u a monster is a idiot, should you have known would u have killed parthunax?
my hardest decision is name for my character
Boi I made a Khajiit archer named “Tabby Maguire” and a Dunmer spellsword named “Darke Elvv”
i named mine doop snogg and gave him some daedric armor w/ some commands. he was insanely powerful lmao
+Bento Life chibi phyraa
Mine is "which big cat should I base my Khajiit after?"
First was a male snow leopard, second was a tigress, now my recent one is a male black leopard.
I went to name my khajit some mystical medieval name and ended up naming him "X".
5- I ate the corpse,
4- I killed Kematu instead of Saadia,
3 - Killed three of them,
2 - Let Cicero live,
1 - Kill Delphine instead of old dragon. (You can't kill Delphine unless you change her essential with code.)
@Marlon Quintana-Nieto I once found it in skyrim wiki lemme search
@Marlon Quintana-Nieto run command help Delphine 0 (or, since 1.6, just help Delphine),Run the command setessential XXXXXXXX 0 (where XXXXXXXX is Delphine's reference id and 0 indicates "off" in boolean integer. Note that any leading zeroes don't have to be involved, so if her refid was 00001234, you would only need setessential 1234 0 for it to work.) it should work
@@User1273- or you can DISABLE HER
@Marlon Quintana-Nieto in PC with the console type
Setessential 00013478 0
Setessential 00013358 0
Slash the 2 bastards
Well, if you complete the main quest without killing Paarth, the Blades will ignore you for the rest of the game. Maybe not the same as killing them, but it's still satisfying as they're gone forever anyway.
Killing Parthunax? Its a No from me
Graenolf's hardest decision was deciding whether or not to make another video about *BARRELS!!*
DAMN THOSE BARRELS ARE *HOT*!
DoubleX 2000 true
DoubleX 2000 That barrel video is the best! Can someone Meme that.
i think killing or sparing barbas is also a hard choise cause cmon its just a dog and what do u get an axe? :p
You know why airlines don´t let him as passanger?
He keeps pestering the pilot to do barrel roll.
In my many years of decision making, never have I had a greater regret then when I killed Paarthunax. There should’ve been a quest to kill the blades I wouldn’t mind that
The quest went away when I spoke to the Grey beards about it. Like the dialogue will pop up saying that the blades want me to kill him. One of the Grey beards says something I forget but then another dialogue pops up saying I'm not going to kill him and it went away for me.
@@Aveuriex I have to ask, were you able to still talk to the blades after that desicion, I'm not going to kill pathurnax, the blades are getting in the way of my character build
@@ClumsysGamingClips okay so what happens is it'll get stuck on the dialogue. They won't help you unless you kill him. You can try both. Like save right before you kill Par. And go talk to the blades after. If you aren't satisfied then just go back to that save. I chose to let him live because I love the dude XD He's totally cool with me.
@@Aveuriex thanks any help I can get on this is great. If I can't find a way somehow I'll just have to stick it to the blades.
@@ClumsysGamingClips Theres a mod that lets you literally scream at delphin for disrespecting the dragonborn like that.
The walls shake like when the greybeards talk too.
I read about it, gonna have to search it tomorrow
i'd sooner tell the thalmor where the blades were hiding before killing paarthurnax tbqh.
At the Embassy Party:
Elenwen: Ah, yes - I remember your name from the guest list.
Dovahkiin: Delphine and Esbern are in Sky Haven Temple. You're welcome.
Elenwen: I guess this wasteland has some redeeming qualities after all! 😊
Simple, really:
1. Eat the priest, what good is he, you get an artifact that counts towards an achievement
2. Save Saadia, I don't buy into Kematu's story and Saadia seems pleasant enough.
3. All three prisoners are asswipes, just Fus Ro Dah them all to oblivion.
4. The only benefit to killing Cicero would be to get his armor set, but you can pickpocket those off of him with the correct perks, so that doesn't do anything. However, with the Keeper dead, there is nobody to tend to the night mother. We can't have that, so, keep him alive. He'll also become available as a pretty strong follower later on (though he does remain as annoying as ever).
5. Why would I want to kill Paarthunax? Props to the blades for stomping out evil dragons, but, jeez, this dragon turned his life around, ignored his own instincts and started working with humans to fight the evil of Alduin. And besides, the blades are sworn to follow the dragonborn, not the other way around. Just who does Esbern think he is, ordering the dragonborn around. Know thy place, you maggot!
morfanaion bro your character is a maggot if he eats dead people tf
Its also likely that Saadia is guilty.
I agree will all of these except, what other ways are there to get his outfit?
namira ring is not part of achievement
Watch Camelworks video about Saadia, it shows that she's lying.
"Does this armor make my butt look nice?"
An actually serious question
I refuse to wear some armors cause it makes me look awful😂
For some reason the Tavern cloth for female races makes their hips much wider which is...NiCE
@@historiousedward4145 hell yeah
Want my advice? Don't let Galmar talk you into bed with him. There's a reason they call him stone fists... By Ysmir, it stung.
Hahah xD
Ulfric Stormcloak I always thought it was a heterosexual bromance
you guys are unlucky. Nocturnal... DAMN, that girl is hot
Nocturnal is to edgie, Azua is my thing
Isaiah Perez both are pretty to me
Hey, I drew this stick fig...
Graenolf: DAMNTHISCHICKISHOT!!
Reasons not to kill Cicero:
1) If you spare him, he can be a follower, who CANNOT die.
2) His commentary is bloody funny at times. (When in Markarth, he shouts: "Cicero saw a dwarf! He did! He did! Oh, no. Sorry. No dwarf...") He definitely brightens up dungeons and creepy places in my opinion.
3) Cicero is the most loyal Brother to date. After everyone in the Dark Brotherhood left Cicero stayed with the Night Mother for EIGHT years.
4) Sithis loves him, so he won’t be happy if you kill him. He’s kept every secret for so long, and again, he’s very loyal. (Lucien even says, “The Dread Father does not wish for Cicero to be killed.”)
5) He never actually tries to kill anyone else from the dark brotherhood, even though he makes a joke about it when you return to the new sanctuary at Dawnstar.
6) If you do spare him but you lie to the rest of the Brotherhood no one can see him (they don’t react) when you bring him back to the Dawnstar sanctuary.
7) He's actually an amazing fighter and can take people down really quickly. He can use staffs, blades, shields, war hammers, etc.
8) Astrid is a b*tch to you, you will soon find out.
9) When he is your follower, almost every time you turn around he will be standing about 3 cm from your face and say "LET'S KILL SOMEONE"
10) He is an absolute beast if you have him dual wielding. Sometimes i wonder why my character is so special after seeing him tear through enemies
Shot him in the face with an arrow. Then I revived him to cut his bloody head off.
Alix i killed him but really regreted it after reading his journals
Who's astrid? The girl I killed in the cabin?
Actually, they do see him in Dawnstar Sanctuary, they just don't care. The redguard guy (I forget his name for some reason) talks about his annoying dancing sometimes.
Hardest choice? That's easy. Sven or Faendal. Do you get an easy sacrifice for Boethiah or a free archery trainer?
Free archery training, all the time.
POOR SVEN YOU ARE A PSYCHOPATH
go for Sven for Boethiah, and get Aela for archery
In the end I married the chick they were fighting over XD, then killed her cuz I got bored but that's. raise the point
Quadrenaro stolen
Memorble quotes : "Damn this chick is hot"
Bella Dovahkin lol
Lmao
oyfum
For “With Friends Like These,” if you cast clairvoyance towards the captives it’ll show you who you’re supposed to kill.
And who was it? I thought no matter who you choose the outcome is the same.
You actually kill Astrid, not the captives. If you do she will tell you “well done.”
@@MyaB1986 It's the kahjit. Well, the outcome is the same but I believe, it means that the kahjit deserves to die more than the two.
4000+ hours of skyrim and i have never killed Paarthunax
Gustaf Salomonsson i got a mod so I didn't have to kill him
Same!!!
Me either. Every time I say to myself that "this is the time I kill Paarthuurnax and do the Blades quests" and then I can't bring myself to actually do it! I charge dragons! I never back down! What do you mean that I have every shout unlocked... I still have 50 dragon souls left! Yet I can't bring myself to kill Big P.
I think it's because I question the Blades motives but not Paarthurnax'. We see eye to eye.
How do you put 4k hours into such a bland game? I'm struggling to even hit 200 with over 150 mods.
530+ hours of Skyrim and I never thought to save Saadia or kill Paarthunax.
I always just kill saudia lmao then I go steal the redguards swords. Have you seen those curved swords from hammerfall? They're curved
David Peters curved swords. Curved. Swords.
DAYUM THAT SWORD IS HOT
I installed minidress mod, so i will never kill saadia. Hehehe
I lured Saadia out to the Whiterun stables then killed the Redgaurd. Got curvy swords and gold 👌
You can just complete dark brotherhold questline and get the windshear probaly one of the of not the best sword in the game thats also curved
Graenolf to tell you the truth I'd kill Delphine over Paarthurnax any day
Yes Delphine is a bitch
Grim reaper I would try that but.....I LOST MY SKYRIM DISC!!!!!! *cries so sad*
Grim reaper true.
Skeptical Eye yeah I never really liked Delphine anyways. Her strength in battle turns me on but other than that she is just a bitch who only cares about what is important to her. Paarthurnax cares about to future of both dragons and humans. He wants both to be kind of like shield brothers if you ask me.
you can 'not to killing paarthurnax' . just go straight on alduin quest and ignore the 'kill paarthurnax' quest. after you defeated alduin, the quest will gone. and of course, paarthurnax still alive.
(sorry if i made a mistake in my english)
I know these Skyrim vids are 5 years old at this point, but I just love the way you present them. You don't just say what the thing is, it's like you're telling a story. It's delightful.
Facts
I could never kill Paarthurnax. Because DAMN that drake is HOT!
10/10 would ride again
if ya know what I mean😏😏😏
*+Carol Habicht* He's actually a wyvern... and you know what they say about wyverns with big mountains...
Young Frankenstein would still ride again 😏😏😏
Young Frankenstein thats a type of dragon
Thats a wyvern not a drake tho
I lost myself when you say "damn this chick hot" to night mother LOL
Kerem Çelik only reason I don't like this was because you had EXACTLY...111 like. My OCD thanks you!
Very funny
Shes hot!
If your into dead mummified ladys that are worshipped by crazy jestures
I think killing Paarthurnax is wrong because he was force by Alduin to fight with people and then he choose to be peaceful and mindful and he want to change dragons to their better nature. "What is better ? To be born good or overcome your evil nature through great effort" - Paarthurnax. Like come on guys he is freaking enlightenment dragon ! :D
besides he taught the coolest shout in the game fire breath
You can actually learn Fire Breath from anywhere (in which case he just teaches you the next word), depending on how much adventurin' you've done before meeting him on top of the world. I also like the idea that maybe it was Kynareth who made Paarthunax sympathetic to humans in the first place.
It's implied that he actually betrayed Alduin for the Humans because he couldn't surpass Alduin on his own. And he himself says that he fights the urge to revert to violence every moment of his being and that he may one day break his pact with the world. I'm not saying that killing him is the morally correct decision, but the argument for sparing him isn't perfect. I never killed him myself, but I never trusted him either.
I actually love that quote of Paarthunax, makes me feel guilty for killing him with my good friend odahving
Marshall Thompson maybe he did, but this days he is doing his best to follow the way of the voice, if there is one dragon that has a decent chance of overcoming his nature then it is Parthy.
I always prusade Saadia into paying me first and then turn her in anyway that way I win and get double pay
Lmfao!!!
but then do you kill the redguard?
@@luckport8903 I think that's what I did, pretty sure saadia still hated me for initially lying to her tho 🤷♀️
My hardest decision was telling Narfi that his sister died or that she is going to come back someday.. ;-;
Skytriqqer oh man I got contracted to kill Narfi like right after I helped him and I felt so damn bad
Yeah me too! That was so terrible and I'm still feeling bad for doing that D:
Me too!!! I don't even go to Ivarstead now because I feel so bad xD
Yeah same! I can't go there anymore anyways, so many people witnessed me killing him lmao
The question is: which asshole prayed and gave a contract to kill him!?
To not kill Paarthurnax was an easy conclusion to come to. The greybeard dude (arngeir or some shit) explains it really well. and yes i know he is biased but the blades are just bloodthirsty fkers lets be real. So Arngeir said that when Paarthurnax served alduin is was literally the only way...its what all dragons did it didn't even seem to be a choice. So when good old Paarthy told alduin to go fk himself he is rebelling against his very nature which is some mad shit (that would be like me turning down a pie not gonna happen) so while yeah he did terrible stuff that shit was war and he was on the side his nature compelled him to be...i'm sure humans did some fked up shit to but hey you don't see paarthurnax saying kill delphine she murdered my uncles sisters nephew or some shit.
agreed
I mean to be honest the morally correct decision is not to kill Paarthurnax. Paarthurnax being alive means he's converting dragons to the Way of the Voice. If he didn't convert those dragons, they would almost certainly go on to kill some people. It doesn't matter what happened in the past, what happened in the past already happened. If you kill Paarthurnax you will cause the deaths of more innocents than if you spare him, so sparing him is an easy choice to make.
Okay
+Rammus Yeah it's an easy decision. I even installed the High King of Skyrim mod so I could kill the Blades.
Parthunax MIGHT TRY to sway other Dragons to the Way of the Voice, or he might change his mind, or they might not listen. Parthanax could command the remaining dragons to kill every last mortal, just because he hasn't doesn't mean he won't.
I hate to eat the priest, since I like his personality, but the Ring of Namira is too beneficial to pass up.
I always give Saadia up simply because her side of the story meshes less than her pursuers. If she wanted help, she should've been completely honest, since she was out of options and trusting a stranger anyway. Since she was clearly not entirely truthful, she had something to hide. Maybe she wasn't as guilty as the Redguards made her out to be, but she was certainly guilty of something.
I kill all three prisoners, as a mercy killing. Whoever survives is always stuck in that shack the rest of the game anyway; they don't disappear, always remaining tied up. You can't actually free them. If you could, the choice would matter more.
I let Cicero live, since I don't find him all that annoying and actually agree with most of what he says. Astrid's leadership led the Dark Brotherhood to the dump, and the fact that she always betrays you, regardless of your choice, means there's no point in being loyal to her, hot chick or not.
As far as the Paarthurnax dilemma goes, the big guy himself said it best: "What is better? To be born good or to overcome your evil nature through great effort?" He didn't just go through ten years of community service, he went through centuries of it, truly reforming himself. Besides, what the Blades are basically doing is tracking down and attempting to kill the retired lone general of an opposing army from a battle that concluded before their great-great-grandparents were even born. The Blades don't care about avenging the lives lost because of Paarthurnax. They don't even care about honor, or they'd do it themselves. They just see him as a black stain in their history, and you're the janitor they hired to clean it up, and you're not allowed to play in their clubhouse anymore until you do. Talk about ungrateful and dishonorable after you killed Alduin ALONE. Hands down, no matter how you look at it, keeping Paarthurnax alive is the moral thing to do.
In the Xbox 360 edition, you can untie them if you go behind them and click the action button,I don't know about other versions though.
Edit: Talking about the kidnapped people in the beginning of the dark brotherhood questline.
While I agree with not killing g Paarthurnax, we do the same thing when we hunted down people involved in the holocaust or any other insane war crimes. It's not hands down immoral to kill paarthurnax. Its grey either way and subjective
ichigoeater I agree with you completely and I like your Moral compass too. You have a very good moral compass ^_^ I enjoyed reading your comment.
I used the wabbajack and transformed Vasha into a mudcrab that killed the other two prisoners and I never looked back
ichigoeater I agree totally. Besides, it’s the blades responsibility to serve the dragonborn no matter what, then they have the audacity to demand the dragonborn to kill Paarth like he or she is some kind of mercenary to them, to do their dirty work. They don’t have honor at all, otherwise they would’ve done it themselves like you’ve said. If the blades weren’t always like this, then Delphine and Esbern are a disgrace to the blades.
I got attacked by the Thalmor later in the game, I never figured out why, though. This now makes a lot of sense seeing as I have done literally NOTHING ELSE that could've irritated them.
I found it so funny because my character hates the Thalmor for killing her parents 😂
I mean, if you completed the main quest "Diplomatic Immunity", they'd have plenty reason. You stole vital information and killed at least two guards, if not nearly all of them. There's also the fact that you're dragonborn, and your very existence strengthens the human races' faith in Talos (the very thing they want to wipe out), given that Tiber Septim was also dragonborn. Tbh, I don't think Saadia has anything to do with the Thalmor coming after you. I had that happen in my game too, and I killed Kematu.
The Thalmor keep coming after me and I never finished Sadias storyline because I couldn’t make up my mind lol
*Graenolf, talking about Astrid* DAYUM THIS CHICK IS HOT.
Yes, she is. Literally speaking
Oooooh, burned!
EvilDylan *charred lol
Variklis Woods lol
Not cool man. I felt like crying, I really liked Astrid. Although she did try to kill me and got everyone killed instead. I still liked her.
too soon!!!!!
5: Eat the dude for daedric completion, also if you're a vampire it's not out of the norm.
4: There's more evidence for Kematu's side, the game devs made this quest to see if the player would fall for a pretty face.
3: Kill them all, they all have a contract on them, it makes the most sense based on how the DB operate.
2: Don't kill Cicero, he's a traditionalist, never seen someone so faithful to his job. Also, fuck messing with Sithis' will.
1: Never kill Paarthrunax, you monster. He's done so much for mankind and deserves to live, also, the blades aren't what they once were, they're arseholes, fuck 'em.
Toby Sweetman Filthy Canibal
Also Cicero is (in my opinion) the best assasin class follower in the whole game.
Toby Sweetman there isnt enough evidence on kematu to completely disprove saadia's side
There's nothing wrong with it if you're argonian or kajhiit.
Toby Sweetman I couldn't get myself to kill fulthim
Pfft number 1 wasn't a hard choice at all. Not even my most evil malicious twisted character can kill Paarthurnax. He's my dude. Good video btw.
I killed Canibals, caught Sadia,Killed astrid but most importantly I abandoned the kill partharnux Quest
Me too
Well only with the paarthunax
@@thehotceilingfan4079 monster
I usually go with Kematu because he paralyzes Saadia instead of killing her. The burial urn thing probably always occurs when an npc is removed from a city.
PJ Demigod I think she's killed in Hammerfell with her body returned to Whiterun.
PJ Demigod she was up for execution, thats the reason she was hiding in the first place
I may be interpreting lore wrong, a very possible possibility, but I believe the exact state was either A. She helped the Dominion and when they lost anyway she fled for fear of being charged with treason, or B. The Dominion won (Not canonical. Hammerfell is free) and she, a supporter of the rebels, fled to Skyrim. Either way, yeah she had a .000000001% chance of being judged innocent, but again, the fact that Kematu paralyzed her, the game equivalent of tying her up, and not killing her on the spot, I think he's more believable.
I always go with Saadia because I like having a barmaid around
Jarl Balgruf hates the Thalmor...There's a Thalmor agent hiding in his hold....Why didn't Kematu simply go to the Jarl and ask to take her? Bet he would've let them just "bag and drag" her. Plus, the Alik'r prisoner you speak to first has too much bad attitude to be on a "righteous" quest.
1) I chose the Imperials cause I played Oblivion.
2) I killed all prisoners because of my character build.
3) I let Cicero live because he served Sithis well.
4) I refused to kill Paarthinax because he 's the leader of the Greybeards.
5) I saved Saadia because DAMN that chick is hot!
tbh even after playing Oblivion religiously, I still sided with the stormcloaks. Something with the empire just doesnt sit right with me.
The Stormcloaks worship Talos, and the Empire kind of abandoned him, although this, they still don't mind that their citizens will worship Talos, they just don't want them to do it loudly..
The real enemy is the thalmor. Even without mentioning racism or how much of a selfish hipocrit Ulfric is, you can't deny that skyrim's best shot against the dominion is the empire. It's not like they've forsaken their founder for coin like ulfric likes to say, it was either that or anihilation. Talk to that imperial chick that advises Tullius, she hates the thalmor and make it seem that she worshipps talos, also there's the whole thing with Torygg's horn, people have always worshipped talos in secret, but thanks to Ulfric the Thalmor got suspicious and started arresting everybody.
I chose Imperials because Ulfrich is working with the Thalmore. I know in the open he claims to hate them. And probably does. But he went behind everyone's back and worked with them for nothing other than his own need for power. And I just can't stand the Thalmore.
none of your business Ulfric was an unwitting pawn of the Thalmor.
To drink the skooma, or to not drink the skooma? That is the question...
...I drank the skooma.
Barbara Punkelman DAMN THAT SKOOMAS HOT
Seb Sundquist *Damn it, Barb. ❤
Try Red-Water Skooma, lol
Don't question, skooma is the answer!!
Skyrim noob here (with 120hours). What happens if you drink skooma? And you're not a kahjit?
who else got the quest when Ciceros wagon broke on his way to the hideout when you decide to help him or not?
Me
I was shocked when I learned about the dark brother quest line
I killed Saadia and the Alikr XD
That's what they get for confusing me
lol
Good job Okuyasu...I mean Salamander
I did as well. I got my own problems.
G Salemander hahahahahah
lol savage
miss me with that paathurnax killing
lol
i killed him by storm. i was like oopps
Well, isn't the hardest decision is about who to follow in the beginning of the game to escape?!
Guy from stormcloack or empire
Arguably the easiest. Hadvar.
Григорий Дубров obviously Ralof
ralof of course!
Hadvar. :P you get free Iron and Steel Ingots, lol
well only one tried to kill you... at this point it has nothing to do with politics!
Cicero doesn't deserve to die he's one of the best and unique followers
🧢
Plus he was in the right to try to kill Astrid. She betrayed the brotherhood by breaking the tenets and so I saved Cicero. Astrid just wants to lead the brotherhood her way and ignore the night mother.
Honestly that was easy for me. Like, if you where Batman, would you kill joker? I hardly doubt anyone has a willpower equal to his.
I cared about Cicero because he was my Brother. I didn't kill him, because he was simply living up to the tenets that Astrid had broken. And she had broken almost all of them. Just breaking one will make you face the Wrath of Sithis. I feel no pity for Astrid. She insulted our Night Mother and no longer followed the tenets left to us by our Dread Father. She deserves her fate. And Cicero did no wrong. Astrid didn't deserve to be Matron of the sanctuary. She believed she was above us, the Listener. And even worse, she believed she was above the Night Mother. Our Unholy Matron. According to the order of control for the Dark Brotherhood, she isn't even above Cicero, as Keeper. Lucien Lachance sees this, as well. And tells you that we shouldn't kill him.
... I can only hope to serve Sithis like Lucien does, even after death. And such a cruel and sad death our Brother had...
Hail our Dread Father, the Void, Sithis! Hail our Unholy Matron, the Night Mother! Hail the Dark Brotherhood!
Was disappointed because you did not mention how handsome Paarthurnax is since " DAMN THIS DRAGON´S HOT!!!!"
5 no I only did it once for the achievement where you get every dedric artifact after that I never did it again
4 turn her in
3 kill all but the begging guy
2 spare Cicero, he's not the bad guy sure he's practically insane but he just wanted things to return to how they should've been all along
1 screw the blades parthanax helped us kill his brother and former leader therefore helping us save the whole world I feel like that makes up for his past actions
4. turn her, then kill them both.
Person23 just kill Vasha, the woman has children that need her
damn that dragon was hot
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Kills Paarthenax, 1: How dare you, 2: what have the blades really ever done for you
I somehow never got over the fact how she stole the fucking horn and made me cut through this shit tomb for nothing
@@carag3921 then she has the audacity to say she doesn't believe you when you say "Yeah I'm Dragonborn." Like... B i t c h I have probably been arrested for shouting at chickens right outside your establishment.
They fought in more battles than Paarthurnax, helped the people more than Paarthurnax, helped me find out about Dragonrend, unlike Paarthurnax, gave me a cool temple, cool armor, and help me kill Dragons faster, all unlike Paarthurnax.
Saadia‘s burial urn appearing is probably just a bug, when in skyrim a character file gets removed (usually because they‘re dead) their burial urn is automatically placed in the catacombs, so after the quest her character probably just gets removed and bethesda forgot to change it, the thalmor explicetly telling you that you interfered one of their spys though...
During "In My time Of Need" if you turn Saadia in, you see her ashes in the Hall of the Dead.
But did you know that every killable NPC in Whiterun has ashes in the Hall if they die. So it could just be something the Devs forgot to take.
Plus, Thalmor assassins come to kill you after getting her captured; dead or alive she was pretty clearly working for them based on that alone
The ashes is just Bethesda's way of dealing with important NPCs that need to be removed from the game, and the Thalmor Death Squads are a random encounter, they can and will spawn regardless of whether or not you've handed Saadia over to Kamatu. I do believe, however, that the quest to infiltrate the Thalmor Embassy increases the chance that they will come after you.
@@ryanalving3785 fuck the thalmor I'll just turn her in
It's pretty much impossible to tell who is telling the truth in this quest because of how inconsistent the shitty writers of skyrim are.
Butter of Sorrow I like that you can't tell who is telling the truth it's like real life in that regard so you just have to go with your gut instinct. ryan alving Thalmor assassin's try to kill you if you make them your enemies I have had Thalmor assassin's attack me well before I ever did that quest.
When I played “Taste of Death”, I decided from the beginning I was gonna troll the cannibals in the only fitting way I could think of: I cooperated with the cannibal chick long enough to get the priest to the dinner party. When he took his Jedi-mind-trick-induced nap and I was asked to kill him, I stood there a moment, turned around... and transformed into a werewolf right in front of the cannibals, all of whom I promptly and brutally slaughtered, the dinner guests themselves becoming main course. Yeah, I guess it’s a bit hypocritical for a heart-devouring werewolf to pass judgement on a cannibal cult... but at the very least, my werewolf form’s appetite is reserved exclusively for those who have it coming... in this case, a dinner party full of cannibals. The priest? Eh, I had nothing against him, so I just used my wolf roar to send him running and screaming out of the tunnel and into the countryside.
I.....Thats like saying an alligator ate a pig and decided to not eat boar because it did nothing to him......
Actually the fact that he hurt Vizzara was a bit of a deal breaker. I love him always being like hey sister life is good
Crow lol yea he did apologize and say Veezera was just in the way
#1 isn't that hard of a decision for me. I can never bring myself to kill Parthunaax.
Dimitri Tebow I couldn't either
Agreed, I like Parthunaax far too much to kill him, I did it once, and I felt horrible about it, screw the Blades, only two of them still alive anyways, Delphine is a condescending, self-important bitch and Esbern is just plain paranoid.
Dimitri Tebow Killed him on my old account...I regretted it instantly
Me too... murder an ancient speaking dragon master who is nice to me, to hang out with an anoying Breton gal?? If I could, I'd kill Delphine just for suggesting to slay my scaly friend...
I accidentally killed Parthunaax.
I had some broken water pipes in my house and called a certified plumber to fix it.
I waited for him to come, expecting a short Italian man with a mustache, but what I got was a fire breathing Dragon.
in all honesty Graenolf, your commentary style is absolutely fucking hilarious. keep these comin
Parthunax is NOT a hard decision. He has been helping mankind for THOUSANDS of years without going back to evil.
No record of him helping mankind, no one know his existence in Skyrim except the Greybeards
He was actually a General or Commander next to Alduin, which was probably why he was wanted dead.
What good will killing him NOW do? He's obviously not evil anymore, killing him would just destroy the biggest helping hand you have.
No he is pretending so he can become the leader of the dragons. I say kill.
manuel Campi yes
"Daaamn this chick is hot"
Never heard of that about the nightmother
never heard it but you thought it don't lie
i mean with the right mods
@@riahnico255 you just can't go wrong
Paarthurnax also told the nords the way of the voice so that they could defeat Alduin with the dragonrend shout so I would keep Pathurnax ALIVE
Jack Williamson so do I kill the blades
Jack Williamson well yes he taught them the way of the voice and how to use it. But not how to use DragonRend. Remember Paarthurnax even said it himself that he Haden’s heard it used before. Not to mention that the brain of a dragon couldn’t even comprehend it’s meaning since the shout was created by mankind. That’s why you have to retrieve the elder scroll in order to learn the shout from the three who originally used it to cast Alduin forward in time.
Jack Williamson You are correct. Paarthunax chose to save the Nords after relising that what he did, helding Alduin, was wrong. Don't kill Paarthunax, and what happens to the Blades is up to you. I killed Paarthunax and realised what I did was wrong. I have regretted it ever since.
in anyway it won't affect the game by killing him so it's pointless to even suggest killing him
he kinda cuta though.........don't ask
Deciding weather not to kill paarthinax is easy the greybeards are the most wise people in Skyrim and they think of him as their leader and see him as a good force so killing him would render itself useless
considering the greybeards tell you where word walls are at and will refuse to speak with you for killing paarthurnax i spared him, also the fact paarthurnax can help you train your thuum is a nice plus, what do the blades give you? some potion ill never use lol
Yeah, plus you don't need them to find and hunt dragons, you basically meet one every two minutes. Word walls aren't located in every cavern in Skyrim, so I too think the Greybeards are more useful than the Blades.
It's as easy as this.
Side with Parthy, a badass wise ancient Dragon who always helps you and is the leader of the GREYBEARDS, also badass wise elders who have mastered the thu'um and taught you shouts.
Orrrrrrrrr...
A short milf blonde inn owner and a crazy history guy.
Rob Meister9.3x74 Well, Delphine is kinda hot, sooooo...
Syrange13 good point but she probably sucks off Esbern so.. and besides Serana and Aela are wayyyyy better
I tried to kill Paarthurnax, but I couldn't do it. He's just a solid, good dude
Killed paarthurnax immediately regretted it which is why I made another save data before the battle
I couldn’t kill ciserio so I let him go
Wish Paarthurnax had a whiny scarlet brother named Oviniir.
Kodiak AussieArt You mean dragon
God I kept Cicero alive mostly because I read all volumes of his journal and I just felt so bad for him. He used to be a dedicated non-insane assassin until he became keeper when he was corrupted by Sithis and the 'laughter' that would follow him. Poor bloke.
Cicero is my main insane homie.
I wouldn't the reason why I think Cicero is a really bro is the fact that he could attack all of the brotherhood members. Get out alive then that down Arjnborn(w?e his name is) and still have full hp to fight you. Cicero is pretty much one of the strongest bad boys in all of Skyrim. He's like f**k you b*tches and goes masquerading.
Farkas and Cicero are pretty much the only 2 bros I like.
Computer Science Is My Life What about darkeethus? Hes pretty badass
only a true home sticks to the origins
same
let's kill someone :-)
Eola is a great follower. Always eat brother V. I always save Saadia, even though she's useless. For the Friends Like These quest, it varies on my mood. Sometimes I waste all three, just to be fair. Cicero is very annoying. My mood determines this one as well. My character needs a jester at times. But I NEVER, EVER KILL PAARTHURNAX. Screw the blades. Screw Delphine. That dragon is special.
Yeah, Eola's great. She's been my follower for a loooonggg time.
omg lol. I can't believe killing Paarthurnax is even an option. The blades are trash. They claim to help the Dragonborn with anything. But then they assign you kill nicest character in the game?! Unbelievable.
They're trash indeed. And their armor is ugly.
kill the cannibals, save saadia, kill astrid and the dark brotherhood, but save paarthurnax
YazmanianDevil #SavePaarthurnax
Killing Alae Quintas is killing 7 people with one arrow, you have now forsaken the six children of this widow to go on without their mother, their only support in this war torn country.
Sure, they might be sent to the orphanage, but there's no guarantee of that, and even the orphanage isn't much of a consolation.
That's why despite her venomous tongue I couldn't bring myself to kill her, I didn't want to think of hunger or death or mistreatment befalling 6 innocent children because I took their mothers life on a whim over my bruised ego.
Pretty sure Astrid just kills em anyway, loose ends an all that
Gatica that crow is older than Tiber Septim, her children are probably all young adults.
Aramis Astrid doesn't kill them. If go back to the abandoned shack later, they'll be there still alive (except for the one you killed) and tied up.
matthew jenkins you realize you’re supposed to untie them after right?
jesse morrison umm... no, I didn't know that.
I always keep Cicero alive, because since Astrid is a traitor, it is likely that she was slandering the Night Mother and he had gotten tired of it. Since he knew she was a traitor from the start, his actions, while drastic, can be justified depending on whether or not you actually have played through it before and know that Astrid will betray you. He's also kind of an immortal follower and he actually is very good at sneaking because of his history with the Dark Brotherhood and years of training.
Hardest decision ever... Greymane or Battleborn
Allen Fox Greymane. They’re the ones sided with the Stormcloaks, right?
TrevylerGaming yes.
TrevylerGaming
Disgusting
Sea Level Cain
I said the stormcloaks are disgusting
TrevylerGaming I don’t care if I sided with stormcloaks or imperials, I will always pick Graymane. Fuck Battleborn
Hardest decision is should I waste my last Daedric arrows to kill that Slaughter fish?
I lol'd
xX Ace Xx Just shout at them
Ramona Rize yes, shouting always works. Cuz it's fine to blast them into nothingness.
Depends on how much you value one of the rare arrows to pick up.
Nah, Paathurnax wasn't a hard decision at all. The Blades are only reduced to a group that seeks revenge and the eradication of all dragons, not coexistance. Instead Paathurnax devoted himself into "overcoming his evil nature through great effort" (which is reaally hard for a dragon) and also tries to do the same with the other dragons. I'm sure they'll have some problrms,some dragons could have their own plans for revenge against the humans, or they could just lose interest or something, but the quick way isn't always the correct. The Greybeards didn't accept Paathurnax as their leader only because he is a dragon ,thus master of the voice. They accepted him because even though he is a spawn of Akatosh, he tries to embrace the Way of the Voice , meaning he tries to embrace Kynareth and be peaceful. It's directly opposing to his nature. Also, let's not forget that when you don't kill Paathurnax the Blades break their vows to you and pledge their life to hunting down the dragons. So, no. I'll choose a giant human-loving dragon instead of some dragon-hating humans
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I'd kill the blades and then theres no problem atall nobody will ever know they were gone the blade sanctuary would be all mine forever and parthannax and his friends will be safe
Well, killing the Blades isn't the answer either. It only makes you a murderer, and being Dragonborn doesn't justify that. Although, if it came to it, I would probably do the same. I think the blades shold exist as a diminishing factor, if for example one dragon decides to go rogue, and Paathurnax can't do anything, then they should hunt the dragon down and kill him,before he starts attacking people.
Yep, Parthunax made this whole mess happen to begin with. Am I the only one that sees that opening the time wound is what released Alduin to begin with. Parthunax, lonely as he was, did all this to get his brethren back. F Parthunax, he may be all peaceable now, being the only dragon he would have been hunted down long ago if he wasn't, but with his brothers back that could all easily change
evidence? do you have that Ben?
The time rip wasn't broken or anything by Paathurnax. Paathurnax wanted to stop Alduin. That's the reason why he remained at the Throat of the World , because that's where the time rip occured,so that's where Alduin would come out of eventually. But when Alduin came out , he failed to stop him, then Alduin started resurrecting the dragons. He may be suggesting that Paathurnax didn't really try to stop him because he wanted to see his fellow brethren resurrected.
I saved Saadia, killed Cicero, and didn't kill paarthurnax.
I couldn't bring myself to kill the dragon who's willing to help me. Screw the blades trying to make me become their puppet
I betrayed Saadia, spared Cicero, but there ain't no way in hell I'd ever kill Paarthurnax.
Why on earth would you kill Cicero? He is as essential as a keeper like listener is. And night mother was very fond of him. On top of all that he was absolutely right about Astrid.
Sadia aswell, you got fooled by the fact she's a girl, and a hot one.
Paarthunax is the only sane decision you made.
I turned Saadia in, lied to Astrid about Cicero, and regularly visit the good boy Paarthurnax
Why kill Cicero:( he is one of the only og members that’s been in the brotherhood longer than the others
How is killing a beast that’s murdered hundreds making you a puppet?
10:29 4,5 thousand years of community service
haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!
and snitching on the old gang that he used to kill people with
NIGHTMOTHER IS T H I C C
... with embalming fluid and pus.
Nah fam she T H I N N as skin bones, literally
Eh, mods exist for that reason.
Ashley Casillas get into that coffin and POWER SNIFF that oiled body
I speak for the night motherrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
Lets see.. I ate ate the priest, then slipped on the Ring of Hircine and changed into a werewolf so I could eat all the cannibals. >.> As Champion of Hircine and an apex predator I don't take well to competition for my food. Astrid caught up with me shortly after. So kind of her to provide me with a three course meal. Saadia? Saved then married her. My redgaurd waifu makes sure my bed stays warm at night. Cicero... The funniest thing about him was his taste. Finally Paarthinax .... This wasn't 'community service'. He worked together with the goddess Kyne herself to gift mankind with the gift of the Voice, helped shut down Aldiun the first time which freed mankind from the rule of all dragons, THEN founded the Way of the Voice which turned the Dragontongue from a tool of power and war into a thing of meditative contemplation and worship. -_- The only reason I didn't finish off the Nazis err I mean Blades myself was because Skyrim won't let you...
I was actually expecting a plottwist at the end there, in the ballpark of "Paarthurnax is a fucking SAINT! ... His heart is delicious, though".
Nightwalker170, just use a console command on them to remove their essential status and kill them
People wanting to benefit mankind by killing a murderer part = Anti-Semetics
Sure
The hardest decision is to figure out the most painful and excruciating death for Delphine.
Am I the only one who just killed all three captives in the dark brotherhood quest-line ?
Omar Elbeblawi no, I did to 😀😁
Nope I did too 😂😂😂😂
Full house. Why not get 4 in price of 1?
I killed all three with a shout, just to be sure.
Omar Elbeblawi I've done it too
"Does this armor make my butt look nice?" Lolol Perfect!
Next line was better :V
I have played through skyrim quite a few times and I could never bring myself to kill paarthunax.
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it kinda startled me with the night mother one