@@geuros Which is across the entire tournament scene, including a lot of minor tournaments. Protoss does very well at the high masters/low GM level, and wins most of the minor tournaments, but struggles among the very top players that Winter casts the most (Hence why Protoss is also the "lagging" race according to aligulac despite the win rates - leading/lagging race metric is looking at win rates among the top 5-ish players of each race, IIRC). Protoss needs to be nerfed and buffed at the same time - nerfs for that masters/lower GM level (eg: carriers, disruptors, battery overcharge), but small buffs for the very top end (skill expression, agency/control for the protoss player - ex: disruptors, zealots, adepts, and carriers are units that effectively get worse as the opponent gets better at handling them).
@@Matt-ln7lb kinda interesting take. In my opinion, great players are a rare occurrence, no-one can guarantee a fair distribution of great players among the races. Pro v Protoss level seems weak because there's no Protoss on Clem's level. Except Max, who beat Clem in the last 2 series I saw them play, but he doesn't play offline. Of course this will get reflected in the data. It doesn't mean it suddenly becomes easier to split bio vs bowling balls
@@geuros Eh, Protoss has been the "lagging" race for practically the entirety of SC2's 14 years, and even if you exclude the very top players as outliers (eg: clem, serral, maru), the top end performance is still lower for Protoss than the other two races. Even as the players have changed over the years, Protoss just performing worse among the best 5-10 players of each race (even if potential outliers are excluded) has been pretty consistent.
@@Matt-ln7lb Protoss also does the best in the high GM tournament scene: Top 40: 18 Protoss - 10 Terran - 12 Zerg. Top 80: 35 Protoss - 21 Terran - 24 Zerg. Of course you're correct that Protoss is weak at the very top, but the problem is most casuals translate that to Protoss being weak or a "punching bag" and its laughable. You can't explain to them why "Leading/lagging" is not an indicator of balance... even though it literally says that on the website. They think it should be possible to balance a game around 20 players who play each other infrequently.... like balancing with a tiny dataset means something. Perhaps that's a reason they can't learn a build order get anywhere on ladder.
41:49 pause the video and use the . and , keys to watch the fight frame by frame. Each one of maxpax units get seperate commands on when to target fire and blink and the immortal studder steps to focus fire the tank as well as getting high ground which stops clems vision, allowing the immortal to finnish off the viking. Clem also micro manages the tank to keep it alive for as long as possible whilst still clearly having his reapers and viking on seperate control groups.
Can't believe you're giving out such spicy insider information to non-members Winter. The fact that Space Marines are indeed 100% not Reapers will blow some viewers minds.
I just have acknowledge the delivery of that intro. After several hundred of those it's finally making me do a solid giggle every time.. It's takes a special kind of character to make puns so cringe and funny at the same time. It did in fact make my day a little better :D
There's a progression of appreciation for the opening 1. Cringe - "oh my god really?" 2. Tolerance - "fine he's gonna do the thing, i'll just skip it" 3. Acceptance - "oh fine, i won't skip it" 4. Need - "do it! do it! do it! what's the bit this time?"
Interesting to see the dynamic that exists among the European players. Serral crushes the Korean and Chinese terrans like they are nothing, then gets smoked by Clem in the GF in the EWC. Reynor has consistently been an achilles heel for him, but most other zergs not so much. The same can be said for his other matchups. Clem made Hero look like an amateur in the EWC, but struggles consistently against Maxpax. This used to be a similar case for WC3 as well. The only NE player that could even come close to beating Happy was Foggy, and that was because they played each other almost 2 times a week. Obviously there are exceptions but in general the trend is interesting.
Serral dominates Koreans, but olivera put up a super competitive series vs Serral probably due to them being very common scrim partners. According to them they played quite a lot against eachother around the time Olivera was having a big upward swing in form.
It's not even stylistic, it's just developing your skills against a common partner, influencing the direction you choose to improve I don't know quite what happened with Serral vs Olivera, in particular But MaxPax and Reynor both clearly like their apm, and pressure Clem's apm Serral does not have enough apm to use up enough of Clem's it seems
Clem just claps about every zerg right now, nobody really having a chance atm, mostly probably because of the numerous T buffs and Z nerfs in the past and because clem is very good at microing his bio, which zerg can literally do nothing against efficiently. The only reason reynor got clem is because clem is very inconsistent in his performances and will repeatedly lose series whenever he is not in his best form - a bit like serral used to be in the past too. Protoss gives T much more pause than zerg though, so especially with maxpax abusing some of the most annoying features of P, he's able to get clem when no other zerg can - which is only fair since clem is also abusing the most annoying stuff T has. Serral on the other hand just plays every card zerg has to offer, even sometimes using swarm hosts, and even though his style is very consistent and arguably by far the best in the world by leagues, T just got a few too many buffs (or zerg a few too many nerfs) for it to be enough. Sometimes it is kinda infuriating to me seeing clem being unable to defend his bases, flying his ravens into stalkers, doomdropping a main base over and over only to finally lose his medivacs to stalkers being there yet still with good enough bio micro and aggressive play, the DPS of a strong marine marauder push is usually enough to deal enough damage on the other side of the map that the situation at home won't kill him yet.
@@matth1005 Clem has always been a TvZ menace, with his Tvp and TvT lagging behind. Even back in the day when he was the only guy who could beat serral consistently by just out pressuring him with his apm, serral was mainly winning by counter stratting him and having more efficient builds and putting the early pressure on clem. EWC was rough since he didnt have the time to seriously counter strat every one of his potential rivals, and clem simply out mechaniced Serral with a super tight turtle terran
I am here for commentary and jokes, but I have been playing StarCraft Mass Recall mod through the campaign editor launcher, and I've really enjoyed it! It's quite the love letter to SC1. With the SC2 starter edition it's completely free to play. My only critique is that I wish there was an SC2 campaign version with the new units and mechanics. It'd be a lot of work but maybe someday. SC1 had a lot less units and much simpler maps because it was clunky to control large armies and you only have 12 units per control group. Playing the old missions in SC2, you kind of want the Co-Op experience of bigger attack waves and more difficult maps. I'd also love to see some BW custom campaigns brought over to SC2
Game 3 was insane. Clem is known for being the embodiment of "just micro lul" and MaxPax really taught him a lesson in the protoss version of "Just micro lul"
Appreciate you showing the first parts of the build! Long time fan, just beginning my SC2 ladder journey and seeing the opening moves/timings is awesome.
2:25 Listen here, Mr. Winter.... I booted up the ladder like 2 weeks ago okay? I almost even completed all my placement matches. I only lost to the Harder level AI in versus afterwards like 3 times until I could beat it alright? And arguing with people in TH-cam comments is trendy these days, you know? I feel personally attacked, and my day is just a little... bit...... ...better, your videos always cheer me up no matter what. Can't stay mad at you! Left a a like, already subscribed. Say hi to Jimmy for me, and give Brenda my love!~ (PS. Don't forget! Factorio DLC comes out in a couple weeks! Might have to start watching your other channel more regularly then. :P)
Protoss has received quite a number of buffs lately. The biggest nerf was the mothership cloak aura removal, other than that, they're pretty much unbeatable if played correctly in PvZ lategame and have quite a good shot vs. T too, much better than Z anyway.
@@asdfasdf-mn8iu if that's true that would be great. I remember games in wings of liberty on xelnaga caverns(? I hope I remember the name correctly) A small map back then, when the game started with 6 workers. terran destroyed toss no matter what they tried. Select was such an abusive terran and it was no fun to watch it. But zerg is still way too weak VS terran if both are playing close to perfect. What rogue did with hiding his lurkers under overseers and distract the ghosts from rapid firing snipes on zergs lurkers with masses of changelings is a desperation move and a ridiculous way to stand a chance vs a terran who plays close to flawless as Clem. And that is also why, the masses lost interest in that great game. Balance issues mostly because of terran.
@@quarantinezone2844 oh it calls me, really? Well u hating fictional race in 14 years old game. And on top of that u most likely even not playing this game because it's too hard for you, so u can only watch it on yt and making ur angry comments🤣. Sounds kinda pathetic, but ye maybe ur king of life, who knows
@@adm-jw3yf You're the one coming in here insulting people because we like one faction over the other.😂🤦 Yes, people can have preferences, so outrageous right?
@@quarantinezone2844 it's not preference, everyone who's into starcraft likes one race over antohers. But when it comes to u, you can't even play this game, because it's too hard for u, but u hates terran 🙃 I even kinda feel sorry for u, but this is my last comment in this pointless discussion, Im not gonna feed a troll
Although I ultimately don't care about how you start games ("speed up" or "skipped" begginnings), I prefer skipped ones. I feel like they look more professionnal and I'm mostly here for your personnality anyway. Thank you for making many days a little bit better.
I'd actually be really curious what an 'Anti air' update does for the game, even if it was like an april fools thing Just buff the range of anti air to keep them away, deny vision, might have to do something with scans too so they can't just get around it that easy (make existing units in the scan detectors but not give vision itself? - flash of vision at the end to detect buildings?) Then you could have those more fun maps with quirky features and not be punched in the face for it Defensive tanks would be pretty strong, move air units to a support role rather than combat and it's fine (maybe just remove/sharply reduce liberators vision range, working as well in a defensive formation but poorly in harassment/terrain exploitation)
I've been out of the SC2 loop for a while (the slighly differently named CS2 has a lot of activity these days), but the pace of these games is significantly higher than I remember. Kudos to the pros for honing their craft and putting on a show.
Pretty sure the only reason why rogue lost is because clem was having a really bad day there. Same reason reynor lost to him. Zergs in general just have no real chance atm vs. clem unless he's having a bad day (which happens quite often tbh, clem is pretty inconsistent).
Love you winter!!! I will cast SC2 games in spanish someday! and YOU and you alone are the inspiration to do so. I just need to get a little bit better PC, i have a shitty notebook, I can barely play sc2. Things of living in Argentina, gonna work so i can actually do it.
SPOILER: Haven't finished the video yet, but it's so refreshing seeing terran "just kinda die" to a toss attack for once instead of the other way around. Idk when i last saw a battle, thought "yea toss is losing that" and then it drags out for a minute more and terran dies... somehow.
Something I gotta' say about MaxPax... guy has nerves of steel. Thanks to you, I've seen Clem rattle people to victory. But MaxPax seems to just NOT get rattled.
Idk if its been said but I need "The reaper-cussions of the greed against clem is not to be understated." to be said one day or something along those lines.
Perfect example of how Terran don't need to be creative and can just simply put marines, medivacs & co and push to win ..... boring, can't wait for a Terran nerf. Winter's commenting ain't boring at all of course though :) Great combqck from MaxPax, and very NICE to see Terran loose \o/ edit : thouth it was a bo2, have only watched 3 games haha edit2 : NICE ! and you did make my day a little bit better :)
Woohoo! I love the new speedy openings rather than totally skipping them, and if the openings are both standard and boring with little or no fighting, you could even fast forward a bit further to when it gets interesting.
"here we are In the map we've seen 700 times in the last week". Made me laugh out loud! I've got a buddy who's been casting aoe2 tournaments and he was struggling to come up with stuff to talk about before the matches get busy. (These were not pro games so it was normal for a match to last an hour a piece) I suggested just that same thing, look at the map, theorize how the players will build into the resources and where you think they'd need to fortify. Along with talking about the history of the players, describe the tournament the games are taking place in, ect.
Also in that game because of ALLL the different factions, talking about the unique advantages each player might be able to leverage is also pretty key. As for chronoboosted or skiped intros I feel they're both reasonable, and I'd say just do what ever feels right :)
Its just a little fun thing Winter does :) . Those effects are purely fictiontal, tough most of them relate in some way to way a pro is know to play. For example Showtime "Die Mauer" (The wall ) is a pro who is know for his defensive, solid style, so these effects will reflect that, even tough they dont really exist in game.
As someone who has played Age of Empires 2 from the start, you are right about the early game. Analyzing the map helps alleviate the boredom at the start, and the varied/random environment can lead to interesting situations for encounters. That being said, if both players decide to avoid early aggression, the game can be pretty boring to start, since I'm pretty sure AoE matches are longer than SC2 matches, on average
@@litlgenjinie2927 supply depot can fly at the slowest speed in the game and drop creep after investments. Or drop after investments. Or fly faster after investments. Noice.
Imagine having a unit that can defend all early attacks ground and air, do the equivalent of chronoboosting, give map vision and heal. How broken that would be.
Medivacs should have to have some spell casting hot key to heal the units instead of auto healing. Queens have to hot key to transfuse, shield battery has to hot key to shield, why does Terran get a fast moving unit carrying unit that can auto target heal?
Thank you Winter, for always reminding me that this indeed is the most professional Starcraft 2.
I myself had been questioning it too but it’s obvious after winter says it
Yeah sure, we always need a reminder
My day did in fact get a little bit better, thanks to you Winter.
I'm so glad your still uploading, your casting and commentary are why I keep coming back.
I watch to see clem get humbled by top tier protoss play, also watching rogue break clem in unorthodox fashion is quite entertaining.
I can smell your butthurt from here.
I'm glad we have Max. I've never seen Protoss played so well before.
Protoss has been the punching bag lately. Good to see Max Pax getting dirty and mixing it up
55+% PvT according to Aligulac but sure
@@geuros Which is across the entire tournament scene, including a lot of minor tournaments. Protoss does very well at the high masters/low GM level, and wins most of the minor tournaments, but struggles among the very top players that Winter casts the most (Hence why Protoss is also the "lagging" race according to aligulac despite the win rates - leading/lagging race metric is looking at win rates among the top 5-ish players of each race, IIRC).
Protoss needs to be nerfed and buffed at the same time - nerfs for that masters/lower GM level (eg: carriers, disruptors, battery overcharge), but small buffs for the very top end (skill expression, agency/control for the protoss player - ex: disruptors, zealots, adepts, and carriers are units that effectively get worse as the opponent gets better at handling them).
@@Matt-ln7lb kinda interesting take. In my opinion, great players are a rare occurrence, no-one can guarantee a fair distribution of great players among the races. Pro v Protoss level seems weak because there's no Protoss on Clem's level. Except Max, who beat Clem in the last 2 series I saw them play, but he doesn't play offline. Of course this will get reflected in the data. It doesn't mean it suddenly becomes easier to split bio vs bowling balls
@@geuros Eh, Protoss has been the "lagging" race for practically the entirety of SC2's 14 years, and even if you exclude the very top players as outliers (eg: clem, serral, maru), the top end performance is still lower for Protoss than the other two races. Even as the players have changed over the years, Protoss just performing worse among the best 5-10 players of each race (even if potential outliers are excluded) has been pretty consistent.
@@Matt-ln7lb Protoss also does the best in the high GM tournament scene: Top 40: 18 Protoss - 10 Terran - 12 Zerg. Top 80: 35 Protoss - 21 Terran - 24 Zerg.
Of course you're correct that Protoss is weak at the very top, but the problem is most casuals translate that to Protoss being weak or a "punching bag" and its laughable. You can't explain to them why "Leading/lagging" is not an indicator of balance... even though it literally says that on the website. They think it should be possible to balance a game around 20 players who play each other infrequently.... like balancing with a tiny dataset means something. Perhaps that's a reason they can't learn a build order get anywhere on ladder.
Fire commentary! 8:10 “probe-lem” and “Terran through”, so good!
41:49 pause the video and use the . and , keys to watch the fight frame by frame. Each one of maxpax units get seperate commands on when to target fire and blink and the immortal studder steps to focus fire the tank as well as getting high ground which stops clems vision, allowing the immortal to finnish off the viking.
Clem also micro manages the tank to keep it alive for as long as possible whilst still clearly having his reapers and viking on seperate control groups.
maxpax continues to be the protoss spirit animal, even on the backfoot
"MaxPax has been dancing around the Probe-lem this whole time, but now Clem is Terran through!" - and the stony face of Winter, cold as ice
*checks notes* holy crap he's right, a Marine ISN'T a Reaper. This is the top quality commentary I need more of.
Can't believe you're giving out such spicy insider information to non-members Winter. The fact that Space Marines are indeed 100% not Reapers will blow some viewers minds.
The strangest thing, my day was going okay, but then I watched this excellent TvP and afterwards, my day was a little bit better.
I just have acknowledge the delivery of that intro. After several hundred of those it's finally making me do a solid giggle every time.. It's takes a special kind of character to make puns so cringe and funny at the same time. It did in fact make my day a little better :D
There's a progression of appreciation for the opening
1. Cringe - "oh my god really?"
2. Tolerance - "fine he's gonna do the thing, i'll just skip it"
3. Acceptance - "oh fine, i won't skip it"
4. Need - "do it! do it! do it! what's the bit this time?"
As somewhat of a Bronze League Hero myself I know a thing or two about Build Orders, so I for one appreciate the chrono-boosted early game
spoiler alert: Winterstarcraft commentates this video
Wtf i hadnt watched it yet
Spoiler: Clem makes marines
😡
Wtf you just ruined the whole vid for me
?
Interesting to see the dynamic that exists among the European players. Serral crushes the Korean and Chinese terrans like they are nothing, then gets smoked by Clem in the GF in the EWC. Reynor has consistently been an achilles heel for him, but most other zergs not so much. The same can be said for his other matchups.
Clem made Hero look like an amateur in the EWC, but struggles consistently against Maxpax.
This used to be a similar case for WC3 as well. The only NE player that could even come close to beating Happy was Foggy, and that was because they played each other almost 2 times a week. Obviously there are exceptions but in general the trend is interesting.
Serral dominates Koreans, but olivera put up a super competitive series vs Serral probably due to them being very common scrim partners. According to them they played quite a lot against eachother around the time Olivera was having a big upward swing in form.
It's not even stylistic, it's just developing your skills against a common partner, influencing the direction you choose to improve
I don't know quite what happened with Serral vs Olivera, in particular
But MaxPax and Reynor both clearly like their apm, and pressure Clem's apm
Serral does not have enough apm to use up enough of Clem's it seems
Clem just claps about every zerg right now, nobody really having a chance atm, mostly probably because of the numerous T buffs and Z nerfs in the past and because clem is very good at microing his bio, which zerg can literally do nothing against efficiently. The only reason reynor got clem is because clem is very inconsistent in his performances and will repeatedly lose series whenever he is not in his best form - a bit like serral used to be in the past too.
Protoss gives T much more pause than zerg though, so especially with maxpax abusing some of the most annoying features of P, he's able to get clem when no other zerg can - which is only fair since clem is also abusing the most annoying stuff T has. Serral on the other hand just plays every card zerg has to offer, even sometimes using swarm hosts, and even though his style is very consistent and arguably by far the best in the world by leagues, T just got a few too many buffs (or zerg a few too many nerfs) for it to be enough.
Sometimes it is kinda infuriating to me seeing clem being unable to defend his bases, flying his ravens into stalkers, doomdropping a main base over and over only to finally lose his medivacs to stalkers being there yet still with good enough bio micro and aggressive play, the DPS of a strong marine marauder push is usually enough to deal enough damage on the other side of the map that the situation at home won't kill him yet.
Don't forget that hero obliterated clem at katowice. Clem got in really good form for ewc but he's only really looked untouchable for a few months
@@matth1005 Clem has always been a TvZ menace, with his Tvp and TvT lagging behind. Even back in the day when he was the only guy who could beat serral consistently by just out pressuring him with his apm, serral was mainly winning by counter stratting him and having more efficient builds and putting the early pressure on clem. EWC was rough since he didnt have the time to seriously counter strat every one of his potential rivals, and clem simply out mechaniced Serral with a super tight turtle terran
I love that I can still watch SC2 games. TY Winter
So Ive only played starcraft as a single player game. Never even loaded up unranked. No custom games. I'm just here for you, winter.
Maxpax has beautiful blink stalker/ prism micro
I am here for commentary and jokes, but I have been playing StarCraft Mass Recall mod through the campaign editor launcher, and I've really enjoyed it! It's quite the love letter to SC1. With the SC2 starter edition it's completely free to play. My only critique is that I wish there was an SC2 campaign version with the new units and mechanics. It'd be a lot of work but maybe someday. SC1 had a lot less units and much simpler maps because it was clunky to control large armies and you only have 12 units per control group. Playing the old missions in SC2, you kind of want the Co-Op experience of bigger attack waves and more difficult maps. I'd also love to see some BW custom campaigns brought over to SC2
guys I found the mod developer
@@binkibonko69or the "organic marketer" lol
Game 3 was insane. Clem is known for being the embodiment of "just micro lul" and MaxPax really taught him a lesson in the protoss version of "Just micro lul"
Appreciate you showing the first parts of the build! Long time fan, just beginning my SC2 ladder journey and seeing the opening moves/timings is awesome.
Byun vs Dark is like watching a dramatic space opera, Clem vs Maxpax is like watching a chestmatch by speedrunners im the category any% 😆
2:25 Listen here, Mr. Winter.... I booted up the ladder like 2 weeks ago okay? I almost even completed all my placement matches. I only lost to the Harder level AI in versus afterwards like 3 times until I could beat it alright? And arguing with people in TH-cam comments is trendy these days, you know? I feel personally attacked, and my day is just a little... bit......
...better, your videos always cheer me up no matter what. Can't stay mad at you! Left a a like, already subscribed. Say hi to Jimmy for me, and give Brenda my love!~
(PS. Don't forget! Factorio DLC comes out in a couple weeks! Might have to start watching your other channel more regularly then. :P)
Beautifully executed Chronoboost until Prod. Would recommend.
i am a fan of chronoboosting the start
Who is that Max Pas guy. he makes protoss looks fine instead of underpowered.
Protoss has received quite a number of buffs lately. The biggest nerf was the mothership cloak aura removal, other than that, they're pretty much unbeatable if played correctly in PvZ lategame and have quite a good shot vs. T too, much better than Z anyway.
@@asdfasdf-mn8iu if that's true that would be great. I remember games in wings of liberty on xelnaga caverns(? I hope I remember the name correctly) A small map back then, when the game started with 6 workers. terran destroyed toss no matter what they tried. Select was such an abusive terran and it was no fun to watch it. But zerg is still way too weak VS terran if both are playing close to perfect. What rogue did with hiding his lurkers under overseers and distract the ghosts from rapid firing snipes on zergs lurkers with masses of changelings is a desperation move and a ridiculous way to stand a chance vs a terran who plays close to flawless as Clem. And that is also why, the masses lost interest in that great game. Balance issues mostly because of terran.
I love watching Maxpax for strategy ideas I'll never be able to do.
I no longer watch to see Zerg win.
I watch to see Terran lose.
tell me you're nolife loser without telling me it 😀
@@adm-jw3yf Your own statement calls you out pretty well.
"No, you can't root for specific races or players, reeeeeee."😂
@@quarantinezone2844 oh it calls me, really? Well u hating fictional race in 14 years old game. And on top of that u most likely even not playing this game because it's too hard for you, so u can only watch it on yt and making ur angry comments🤣. Sounds kinda pathetic, but ye maybe ur king of life, who knows
@@adm-jw3yf You're the one coming in here insulting people because we like one faction over the other.😂🤦
Yes, people can have preferences, so outrageous right?
@@quarantinezone2844 it's not preference, everyone who's into starcraft likes one race over antohers. But when it comes to u, you can't even play this game, because it's too hard for u, but u hates terran 🙃 I even kinda feel sorry for u, but this is my last comment in this pointless discussion, Im not gonna feed a troll
Nice, speeding up the video on the start, great idea.)
When your boss tell you that a little overtime won't kill you, remember the story of Billy!
Thanks for great vid and the consistency
Keep the entertaining coming 👍
Although I ultimately don't care about how you start games ("speed up" or "skipped" begginnings), I prefer skipped ones. I feel like they look more professionnal and I'm mostly here for your personnality anyway. Thank you for making many days a little bit better.
Great games and great commentary! Thank you, matey!
I'd actually be really curious what an 'Anti air' update does for the game, even if it was like an april fools thing
Just buff the range of anti air to keep them away, deny vision, might have to do something with scans too so they can't just get around it that easy (make existing units in the scan detectors but not give vision itself? - flash of vision at the end to detect buildings?)
Then you could have those more fun maps with quirky features and not be punched in the face for it
Defensive tanks would be pretty strong, move air units to a support role rather than combat and it's fine (maybe just remove/sharply reduce liberators vision range, working as well in a defensive formation but poorly in harassment/terrain exploitation)
Stalkers and hydras especially need some late-game +2 range upgrade vs air. Maybe at the dark shrine / hive tech
@@chloesmith4065 while yes that could very easily become too much as a normal patch
Think it would be good to test what effect less air has first
Yeeees just clicked to see of you had an upload and I arrived right on time 🎉🎉
This is the best PvT I've seen in years, maybe ever.
Thank you for casting.
❤
I've been out of the SC2 loop for a while (the slighly differently named CS2 has a lot of activity these days), but the pace of these games is significantly higher than I remember. Kudos to the pros for honing their craft and putting on a show.
this was a great series. didnt know maxpax was this strong.
Maximus! Maximus! Maximus! 😂
Getting close to that 250k number. Well deserved.
What a fuckkng series!!!! Holy hell. I love watchinf MaxPax play. Amazing protoss player... Wish he played in offline tournaments 😢
Such a big fan of these two! ❤❤❤
today i learned that a reaper and a marine are different units ty Winter
Clem seems to be struggling when he is the whole community's no. 1 target.
Heavy is the crown
Protoss has quite a good chance vs. T atm, although it is a very swingy matchup, one bad fight can win the entire game both ways immediately.
I like to see the game from the very beginning, thanks! Chrono-boosting is an acceptable compromise.
damn, Clem just can't catch a break, first Rogue with a new strat good vs terran, now its MaxPax.
Pretty sure the only reason why rogue lost is because clem was having a really bad day there. Same reason reynor lost to him. Zergs in general just have no real chance atm vs. clem unless he's having a bad day (which happens quite often tbh, clem is pretty inconsistent).
30:55 "laser-tongue an SCV" - how would they do that, everybody knows Protoss have no mouths..
Tell me Winter, are Jimmy and Brenda in the rooom with us now?
Don't forget Susan!
Amazing series.
I've watched a lot of your videos and I finally have to ask, what does the mana cost of the MTG-player-cards represent?
Because a Marine... Is not a reaper. Subscribe and write that down. lol Best commentator of all time!
I do believe my day got a little bit better because of Winter's 1441 cast
no fancy shmancy late game shenanigans here; just two micro gods knife fighting each other into submission with early game knicks and cuts.
That game 3 was bonkers, what a match
I enjoy watching MaxPax games, he makes me want to improve.
14:53 blink into target fire splitting on tanks to avoid overkill 🥵
Love you winter!!! I will cast SC2 games in spanish someday! and YOU and you alone are the inspiration to do so.
I just need to get a little bit better PC, i have a shitty notebook, I can barely play sc2. Things of living in Argentina, gonna work so i can actually do it.
SPOILER:
Haven't finished the video yet, but it's so refreshing seeing terran "just kinda die" to a toss attack for once instead of the other way around. Idk when i last saw a battle, thought "yea toss is losing that" and then it drags out for a minute more and terran dies... somehow.
+1 like for the MacGyver reference!
Something I gotta' say about MaxPax... guy has nerves of steel. Thanks to you, I've seen Clem rattle people to victory. But MaxPax seems to just NOT get rattled.
i like the ideal of speeding the start
I see MaxPax = like 👍🏻 Guaranteed
chrono boost approved
Idk if its been said but I need
"The reaper-cussions of the greed against clem is not to be understated."
to be said one day or something along those lines.
Perfect example of how Terran don't need to be creative and can just simply put marines, medivacs & co and push to win .....
boring, can't wait for a Terran nerf.
Winter's commenting ain't boring at all of course though :)
Great combqck from MaxPax, and very NICE to see Terran loose \o/ edit : thouth it was a bo2, have only watched 3 games haha
edit2 : NICE ! and you did make my day a little bit better :)
Woohoo! I love the new speedy openings rather than totally skipping them, and if the openings are both standard and boring with little or no fighting, you could even fast forward a bit further to when it gets interesting.
Chronoboosting the opening is a great compromise!
"here we are In the map we've seen 700 times in the last week". Made me laugh out loud! I've got a buddy who's been casting aoe2 tournaments and he was struggling to come up with stuff to talk about before the matches get busy. (These were not pro games so it was normal for a match to last an hour a piece) I suggested just that same thing, look at the map, theorize how the players will build into the resources and where you think they'd need to fortify. Along with talking about the history of the players, describe the tournament the games are taking place in, ect.
Also in that game because of ALLL the different factions, talking about the unique advantages each player might be able to leverage is also pretty key. As for chronoboosted or skiped intros I feel they're both reasonable, and I'd say just do what ever feels right :)
This one was nuts
honestly...cast an age of empires game. I'm here for it
Widow mine
In the mineral line
Saw the red line.
Didn't react in time.
Probes down by 9.
This is my EndOfLine
Bravo!
day haven't even started and it's already a lit better
I tryed your "True Form" Winter, 0,25 Speed Video is still understandable :P
my day is a bit better thank you
5:01 who is Billy ? And where in the world is Jimmy? You didn’t…..
Sending some love to Jeiimyyy , dont stop counting
I'm new to competitive sc2. What are those cards/ effects? Do all pro players have these ?
Its just a little fun thing Winter does :) . Those effects are purely fictiontal, tough most of them relate in some way to way a pro is know to play. For example Showtime "Die Mauer" (The wall ) is a pro who is know for his defensive, solid style, so these effects will reflect that, even tough they dont really exist in game.
I love Kevin Spacey casts
great games ty winter
maxpax = like no matter what!!
Where are the "It´s a DISASTER" Shirts? :D
did winter hit the gym?
it's the shirt
As someone who has played Age of Empires 2 from the start, you are right about the early game. Analyzing the map helps alleviate the boredom at the start, and the varied/random environment can lead to interesting situations for encounters.
That being said, if both players decide to avoid early aggression, the game can be pretty boring to start, since I'm pretty sure AoE matches are longer than SC2 matches, on average
Wild how underpowered Terran is this patch. I cannot wait for the upcoming buff in the next patch
Only won the world championship, so underpowered
Clem just beat Serral 5-0 soooo
xdd
This has to be sarcasm...
@@davidsayas5775I hope so
Vanilla Siege tanks come out as 3/3 lurkers with the range upgrade and instant projectiles. Not imba at all.
Supply depot can fly and scout and drop, surely not imba at all sir
@@litlgenjinie2927 supply depot can fly at the slowest speed in the game and drop creep after investments. Or drop after investments. Or fly faster after investments. Noice.
Siege tanks take about twice as long between shots than lurkers though.
Imagine having a unit that can defend all early attacks ground and air, do the equivalent of chronoboosting, give map vision and heal. How broken that would be.
Terran players losing again supposedly equally strong non-Terran players must be the greatest mystery in the history of the game.
Thank You
Om nom nom
Jimmy needs to do his damn job :)
I'm here for the cheesy Segway
"I will make it legal..."
I think the MaxPax card needs to be upgraded to 10 damage.
10:28
Click Settings
Set Playback Speed to 0.25.
Thank me later!
Why do SC2 casters say the Oracles "revelated" it, not "revealed" it
"I don't even know if you can play Starcraft 2 on like 800x600..."
Isn't that the resolution Harstem plays on? Doesn't he play the PS2 version?
GO MAXPAX!
Medivacs should have to have some spell casting hot key to heal the units instead of auto healing. Queens have to hot key to transfuse, shield battery has to hot key to shield, why does Terran get a fast moving unit carrying unit that can auto target heal?
very nice
3rd game really shows how little skills protoss needs to win games.