Vintage Bike, Modern Rider - How Hard Is The World's Oldest Bike Race?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 ก.ย. 2024
- We've all heard someone say "back in my day cycling was way harder, there weren't helmets or proper nutrition, and we didn't ride aero bikes as light as a feather, we used steel, and steel is real!" But was it really harder? Ollie has travelled to Italy to ride the route of Milano-Torino, the world's oldest bike race, but there's a twist! He's riding it in completely vintage kit to find out, was cycling harder "back in my day", and if so, just how much harder was it?
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Being old now I remember getting my first bike with derailleurs. I went from 3 speed Sturmer- Archer to 10 speed Simplex and thought I was in heaven.
yeppers
I started with a 10 speed Simplex from a bike from my uncle. Then I found a 10 speed Sachs which was already a tiny little bit better. After that it was a 12 speed Shimano 105 which I used half my life. The last update was a 22 speed Shimano 105. The main difference isn't the number of gears but the comfort of changing gears without moving the hands away from the handle bar.
Awesome.
Love this Des!
I did the opposite. In 1974 I bought a cheap Raleigh 5D. Was nothing but a struggle that I recall, maybe had a 60 mile day. I was young but didn't ride much at all, what with friends and a hard job.
In 2012 I was retired and built a tour bike, first with a SA XL-RD5w. I loved it, when it was shifting proper. Century day rides got easy. On one hill it goes over 45 mph. In 2020 it was working perfect, I rode a double my age ride, 133.6 miles and it only took 12.3 hours with a long lunch and icecream break at 108 miles. The bike was 73 lbs, LOL. Just this day a 76 yo club racer guy on a CF bike happened along at mile 18. Ended up platooning with him 20 miles. We were doing 18/19 mph when not upslope, where he was going off ahead. The GIs are about 45 to 115.
In 2017 I bought a 42 lb 1973 CCM with a SA 3 speed. I wanted drum brakes, so I upgraded both wheels, kept the front hub. Last year I did three century rides on it in 12 days, GIs were 48 to 84. This bike goes EASIER than all my others, but a mph or so avg slower. I just waggle more up hills. Then I figured out it actually has a bit WIDER GIs than the crap 5D.
The tour bike has had a Rohloff14 for 18,100 miles. I guarantee it goes better than any derailleur pulling less weight.
I've never had a light bike or race outfit.
Ollie is such a machine. Two race courses in two days, that is hard. He really looked like the racers back in the day rocking back from side to side with his upper body and about half the cadence we are used to. That was 1000+ watts for sure.
Two of the reasons I watch vintage races: the bobbing/rocking due to the lack of low enough gears, and the crazy low cadence. The grittiness of the effort is more visible and makes for a great spectacle!
@@abdul-kabiralegbe5660 My knees hurt just from watching.
@@chrisridesbicycles I can relate to that with my singlespeed bike, that I build based on a 90s trekking bike from italy.
Gladly my area is mainly flat, so I can live with that.
@@WCIIIReiniger My knees are hurting by the thought of it. I‘m a mountainbiker by trade and my cadence is almost always above 90
The gearing probably even influenced the body type of modern riders.
I don't know if a modern climber like Quintana or Contador would have been able to grind those huge gears nearly as effectively.
Brought back a lot of memories from when I started racing in 1969 in Wisconsin. At that time Ollie’s bike was the norm. I had a Mercian professional frame that I built up and ran tubulars all the time. I can’t tell you how many tubulars I patched being a large person i.e. 110 kg at my lightest. By the way Ollie it appears you forgot to put the cleats on your shoes. Toe clips held really well with them on.You could hardly get them out without flipping the strap up.
I have to say, this episode might have been the best one I have watched in a while. The enthusiasm of the Italian fellow was wonderful. More of him please!
This is by far one of your most coolest videos!
Really enjoy the mixture of history and riding with other GCN presenters from the other GCN channels! Well done. Ollie and Alan.
Thanks Chris!!
Oh boy, how exciting....
Alan's accent when shouting encouragement is just so wholesome, lifted my spirits
Great video! Would be interesting to give Ollie power pedals and compare his power needed to climb with the vintage bike vs Alain on the new bike.
Probably not much different (adjusted for Ollie being lighter as a person) - main difference in perceived effort is the gearing. That climb is quite steep, so aero is not a huge driver of results, and narrow tubular tyres are quite good with low speed rolling resistance.
That's what I was thinking!
Yep main difference would be torque rather than power I'd guess
@@dlevi67 When I got my 'fancy pants' bike in 2010 - a Dura Ace equipped Cannondale HiMod SuperSix, I thought it wouldn't really be that much faster than my old race bike from the mid 90's, a custom made 653 that had been retrofitted with a mix of Dura Ace 7800 in the late 2000's. So I chucked both in the car and went off to the local hill. Using the same set of wheels, that included a PowerTap rear hub the Cannondale was not only more fun to ride up hill but at 300 watts was 15 seconds faster over 8 minutes. Going down hill the Cannondale inspired so much confidence that it spanked the pants off the other bike which was impressive as I thought, back in the day, it was the best handling bike I'd ridden and I had ridden a few nice bikes like a Colnago Master, Peugeot Carbon de Fiber (which I believe was a carbon Vitus with different stickers) and my old Brian Rouke 531.
The other thing I noticed was comfort. We all say that steel is comfortable and great for long distance. The Cannondale had it squarely beat on that too. Combined with the FSA carbon bars, stem and seat post, the Cannondale with the tree trunk sided downtube had an all day comfort that the steel bike could only dream of.
The old narrow tubulars were horrific for rolling resistance but they sure did feel light and spritely. I loved my Mavic GEL280 rims with Vitorria CX tubs as they felt so great. Many didn't use latex and back in the day the tub glue was soft enough to allow them to stick spare tires on at the side of the road. Soft glue increases rolling resistance as much as using butyl tubes rather than latex but was a necessity. If you use a modern shellac based glue you can get the rolling resistance of a tub down to that of a clincher.
@@matthiaswuest7271You’re likely correct. At the same pace on the old bike as a modern bike, there would be a bit more power needed due to the modest added weight and perhaps a little energy loss in frame flex, so at low crank rpm and angular velocity the torque would have to be higher. And that’s why it hurt so much more: because our legs are generally more efficient at delivering high power at a higher cadence than Ollie could manage with the lowest 44 inch gear he had on that sweet Bianchi. I disagree with him about the pedals. The only problem with good toe clips and straps paired with well fitted cleated shoes was the entry and exit when starting and stopping. Oh, and in crashing, I suppose.
The stories of the man of old are mesmerizing, yeah, they were smaller in size than we are, but their spirit and determination are another thing to behold, from the stories of Mallory climbing the Everest with little more than a jacket and a pair of gloves to the heroes of wars from yesteryear to the cyclists who paved the ways we pedal today, we can only hope to be half the stature of the men of old.
Great video.
I have a vintage De Bernardi fully chromed frame and forks size 54 x 52 with Columbus SL tubing that weighs only 2.2kg built up with modern 10 speed Shimano Tiagra and Mavic Ksyrium SL wheelset with Continental Grand Prix Classic tyres. Gearing is 50 - 34 with 11 - 34 cassette. Whole bike weighs 8.7kg and rides like a dream. If I shut my eyes I can't tell the difference from my carbon bike with same wheelset which weighs 1.5kg less ! It even descends quicker and surer, and is just as good on the flat. being only marginally slower climbing.
Building a neo -retro bike is the best way to experience the magic of a classic steel frame combined with better brakes, more friendly gearing and better wheels / tyres. I am 62 and ride in the Peak District and could not manage on vintage gearing but on this setup the experience is amazing. Best bit is it only cost me £440 for complete build inc. spraying and decals with everything purchased on e-Bay.
Yep, we can pat ourselves on the back these days and say we are getting better and better, but once you study the old school, you realise that we have it easy. Climbing is the same - the greats from the 40s and 50s are still the best in my book.
Seeing that old racing bike really makes me miss my old 80's Royce Union 12 speed. Only bike I've ever hit 58mph on.
Utter rainy day viewing pleasure, great video! Finally managed to get my hands on a Bianchi to restore...watching this has got me eager to Crack-On and get stuck in. You work well together, nice one guys, all the best Andy
Looking forward to that restoration Andy!
Oh that was great. Excellent job Ollie, you smashed it. My first bike was a 1975 Miyata 10 speed. The gear ratios were very similar to the one you rode inthis video. Toe clips were standard, and frankly, I loved them! I didn't switch to clipless until 2012.
Not only the equipment, tech etc. the big deal was also the ROADS , back in the day the roads were awful ... damn they were awful for cars imagine for road bikes, I would consider more for semi modern mountain bike . My massive respect for all.
I watch often these retro vine videos; these are so inspiring. Good job guys
Well done Ollie and Alan! This is the first GCN video in a while that made me laugh. I'm only 46 but have been riding for as long as I can remember and my first serious bike was a Tomasini Steel frame with downtube shifters and this totally brought back memories of those days. Back then frames were made in 1cm size incremements and cassettes were small and "manly". grinding up hills was pretty much the only way to go and watching Oillie grinding was so funny next to Alan spinning away on a lower gear. Beautiful scenery and back story. very well done. This video brings back some nolstalgic moments!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Well done Ollie 👏 good training for achieving your 1000 watts, which you will do with ease after only a few weeks of training 👍
GCN plus quality. I think toe clips came in sizes and it really looks like you were pedaling on your toes. I rode in that era and it was fun!
Great climb Ollie, I started riding on a Fiorelli frame configured much the same as your Bianchi in 1967. I rode that bike for 20 years before upgrading, Bicycling was really hard back then. Keep up the great work
Bravo Ollie, pure power even if cold!
Alan was such an amazing sport helping Ollie! Well done both, very entertaining! Thank you...more such videos please!
Thanks Jishnu!
retro bikes are amazing!
did the 209 km 4000d+ (with many 20% gradients on dirt roads) Eroica in Tuscany on a 42/26 without tuching the ground once. with foots firmly attached to the pedals. quite proud of that :)
Alan is the cycling buddy we all need.
Surprised no mention of the biggest improvement: metalled road surfaces. Up until the 1950s most bike races were primarily on unmetalled roads, similar to Strade Blanche. In wet weather it was often a case of pushing for miles through a mud bath.
yeah good point!
Well done gents! I feel for you Ollie, those guys had it hard; we are SO blessed these days with our equipment and the science. Great show
Couldn't agree more!
Dr. Bridgewood, you are a beast! I still have my road bike (Gitane Tour de France) from the 1970s and I wonder how on earth I managed to get up any climbs, let alone Clingman's Dome (42x24 was my lowest). Then I remember I was 40+ years younger and 30 lbs lighter.....
Well done Ollie, I also started cycling in the pennines and for last 30 years I've been living on the other side of that hill and I can confirm that it is a fairly brutal 5km, about 450m of ascent with pieces at 15% and no real rest.
As far as old vs new for me the big difference is not the bikes but the data and the smart trainers. 30 years ago the start of the season was pure sufferance, now it's easy to stay in form over winter, last year at 57yo I beat my PB on that climb in March.
Thanks Simon and well done on that PB!
That was a fantastic video! Thanks GCN! Fabulous effort Ollie! No one else at GCN rides vintage bikes in full vintage kit with the same flare and fun! 💪💪👏🏻👏🏻👌👌👌 Legend!
Glad you enjoyed it Marjorie!
Thanks for all the laughter - my Zwift machine is a '72 Schwinn Super LeTour featuring toe clips with a 7 speed cassette in the back (only 6 available due to frame spacing when mounted on my H2 trainer). Leaves me with a 42/26 for my climbing gear. I feel Ollie's pain every time I train lol
Great job on that climb!!! Did a helluva lot better than I ever could have! Oliver Bridgewood is a /machine/.
When I got my first "modern" bike, around 2005, at the age of 53, I switched regularly between that and my 26 year-old Gios, except on long canyon rides. As I got older I needed the wider gearing more and the extra weight of the frame and wheels became more apparent. But the best riding of my life was done on that Gios.
Chapeau Ollie! That looked awesome
For a moment there I thought Ollie was going to get dropped by Ollie! Not an easy task Sir! "Ollie, Ollie Ollie"!
I am pleased to see so many commenters reveal their ages and admit they had bikes like that in the 70’s. Me too. Perhaps GCN could use more presenters in their 60’s like Hank’s Dad to provide an older biker’s perspective! For example, I was interested in Ollie’s comments about gear ratios making the climb very difficult. I know he averages about 250W versus my 160W (I’m in my 60s and have bad knees), so that makes me wonder whether I should be selecting my sprockets by my FTP so I can keep spinning?
allan is such a mate for supporting ollie
Ollie you lucky dog, cycling in Italy. I guess it's not that big of a deal because Italy is closer to you that me in California, but it looks like fun. What a beautiful day also.
When I bought my first road bike back in 1973 it came with 5 speeds 49 upfront and 14-24 at the back, I changed it to 10 speed, by installing a 52-40 on the front, so my lowest was 40x24. Most had 52-42 and 14-24 in those days, but we managed.
There was a day when I dressed in similar kit with a bike 10 years newer. The chainrings 42-52 and freewheel 14-18. The '73 Nouveau Record still on the bike can handle 27 tooth cog max. I sure didn't miss anything with those cottered cranks, and refuse to reinstall those Campy pedals with their Alfredo Binda torture devices! Restored and kept for special occasions.
It never gets easier you just go faster.
Although the faster you go up the climb, the shorter the suffering lasts!!
I remember my first quality Mercian bike in the early 1970s. A good weaving technique was required on the steep 1 in 6 and 1 in 7 climbs in Lancashire and Yorkshire with a 42x17 bottom gear.
I'm in the middle of building up a 1973 Mercian King of Mercia that I picked up as a scruffy frameset for fifty quid on Ebay. I'll not be building it with that sort of gearing though!
Great fun Ollie, thanks! Right then, back to the windtunnel you go. Please give us the aero numbers for the old small diameter steel tube bike vs a modern aero road bike. And, while you are at it, could you hop on a dyno to compare the rolling resistance or friction losses? I suspect some of the old plain bearings may have less friction than modern sealed bearings.
Please please please GCN ! Lean the difference between classic and vintage ! That was a classic bike . Thank you !
Chapeau Ollie - five gears and all of them are tough!
Toe clips were the standard clipless was a new thing you definitely needed to get skilled at bending down to realise them before slowing down.
Started on a bike very much like that. Some improvements have been made since. "Click" shifting being the biggest IMHO. No option to "clip out" if you fell with the straps.
I can relate when I'm riding my 1986 Schwinn Paramount with 6 gears in the back (14-28) and a 52/42 crank. Northern Baltimore County (USA) is very hilly with a few 15% grades or higher. But I like vintage bikes for their lugged steel frames and simplistic drive train. To me, the technology has gotten ridiculous. I mean, who needs electronic shifting (automatic transmission is coming, just wait), disc brakes, internal cabling and carbon everything? Needless to say, all those bells and whistles have jacked up the price of a road bike today.
More of this content! Cycling history is 🔥🔥🔥. Ollie is a beast!
That Bianchi is ab-so-lu-te-ly f-ing GORGEOUS!!!
Man that looked brutal! Being that the vintage bike was from 1957 most of that technology stayed at about that level until the late 1980's and really took off in the early 1990's with better lighter materials, clipless pedals being the main advances after that. Also I remember seeing pics of old bike racers from the early days of bike racing (circle track etc) with the riders smoking while they rode....you should try this ride again while smoking a cigarette. LOL.
Indexed shifting, specifically Shimano S.I.S., was a huge game changer that occurred in the mid-80's. I bought a Raleigh Team 753 in 1989, with DuraAce S.I.S., to replace my old late 70's Peugeot with friction shifting. Both were nice bikes for their day, but the S.I.S. shifting on the Raleigh was much more reliable - quick and precise, and much easier to shift during climbs. And yes, smoking wasn't generally considered a health hazard until overwhelming evidence led to the Surgeon General's condemnation and warnings starting in the 60's. That was the end of advertising of tobacco products on television. Prior to WW2, some racers even drank beer during races. In the 1935 TdF the whole peloton took a beer/wine break with the locals on stage 17. The only guy who didn't stop to drink was Julien Moineau, who consequently won the stage. It was later discovered that Moineau and some buddies organized the beer break.
Sometime during the Nixon Era the speed limit was set at 55 mph, but people drove at 60 mph. They then removed the "double nickel" signs. Speed limit was changed to 65mph in most places, so people drove at 70 mph. With the improved technology bicyclists have just pushed themselves harder, so no, bicycling has not become easier, just more fun, and perhaps, with the advent of electric bikes, more inclusive. I had some old bikes that were absolutely great, but I also love the bike I have now. The difficult part these days is wanting to have more than one bike, and finding the money to pay for and maintain them.
Is the rake longer since Ollie seems to fight the handlebars a bit?
Ollie's bike computer looks really authentic from back then ...
1876 Milano - Torino
1892 Leige - Bastogne - Liege
1895 Melbourne to Warrnambool
What other pre-1900 races still exist today?
Its all fun in games till that vintage guy rolls up with s vintage bike on a modern tour de france tournament
My first ever bicycle tour with a Raleigh Record sprint bought two weeks previous was done on 52/42 and 13-26, 70 miles a day for 10 days with loaded panniers. This was 1990 I didn't do any hills as was just around Normandy, Brittany, Pays de la Loire, Ile de France and back to Normandy.
Certainly a struggle on some of the small slopes but never insane, but then doing it when you are younger AND a lot lighter (I was only 80kg then, now 95kg) makes it seem a lot easier. Nowadays even with a lot of miles and being heavier on a modern bike with better gear selection and easier gear changing the same ride would I feel be about the same effort.
As for Ollie not getting into cycling regards toe-clips, utter nonsense, you either liked what cycling offered or you didn't, the pedals had no influence on whether you rode a bike or not.
Wow a 65 year old runner of a bike, chapeau Ollie
Che magnifico resoconto di vicende storiche legate a Milano - Torrino, Fausto Coppi e le moto da corsa dell'epoca.. L'acciaio è vero.. Non sono sicuro del kit però :)
This video made me realize how old I am. 50 years plus on 2 wheels, many more to ride...
I climbed a local mountain yesterday using my old bike equipped with shimano 2300 groupsets and it weights 11 kilos. The easiest gear I had was 39-25 and the max slope went up to 18%, so I can totally feel you Ollie🤣
Videos like these are the best
Us older (pensioners) riders would like to see Dan Lloyd join in with some of these challenges.....
If you can judge a bike by how happy it makes you then it looks like the old Bianchi is just fine
Great video, what a fabulous climb. My legs ache just watching that though. Nice jersey, not so much the shorts with the bright white winter legs 🤣
42 x26 is actually pretty easy gearing for those bikes, many riders rode 42 inner with a 13-19 corncob on the back and the early Campagnolo derailleurs worked best with that very close rear gearing.
“Ollie you can do it “sounds like off the water boy 🤣🤣
I kinda feel like we all need an Italian mate to call us campionissimo every now and again!
Ollie, could we have a video detailing the bike, frame (metal tubing company, etc. Didn't see a Columbus sticker !), components (your crankset doesn't seem to be a 52/42, the gears are closer than that from the video itself), wheels, tires etc - And the infamous freehub sound check ...
Oh, how I hope for a GCN+ documentary on this one. Like the 1903 one :)
Ollie is a beast!
The portrait of the original winner sure looks a lot like Ollie.
Ollie in the leather hair net is pure genius
Note to GCN camera crew - it might be beneficial to clean your lenses prior to a shoot.
The roads must have been fantastic in 1876 :D
Bikes like that remained largely unchanged into the early 80s (save for cotterless cranks and small flange hubs). In my early days in the Ashford Wheelers I rode a beautiful Reynolds 531c steel framed Woodrup with chromed rear stays. It looked gorgeous and had a Campag Record groupset and a 6 speed 'straight through' Freewheel. Hard on the climbs but it was what we were used to and felt wonderful on 150psi 'tubs'. I bitterly regret getting rid of it. although, at 61 I would rather ride my carbon Giant Defy instead!
Makes me want to do my next century on my vintage px10
Do it 🙌 Great challenge!
More! More! More! and More! Love it!
I love GCN but didn''t they upload this same video last year? or at least something that was nearly identical with old bikes on an old race.
beauty of a bike
Great trip back in time. Can't wait till GCN's camera bike goes fully electric! The engine noise is quite out of place when showing two cyclists on empty country roads.
Genuine question: how did women in the 50s, 60s and 70s ride bicycles? I have never seen a single frame from that era smaller than 52cm
Given the location I would have thought Ollie would have added an espresso holder of some sort to counteract the additional weight.
I'm surprised that there are no replicas of really old bikes that they could ride instead. I feel like that would be much easier
There are replicas. There are companies who make bespoke bikes to very old designs.
13:26 you needed shoe plates as well! Not so easy to unclip though...
Yes, shoe plates with deep cleats and really tighten the straps! We didn't even have to think about reaching down to release the straps as we slowed down. For me it was in the very early 70s.
@@jamesstobinski6144 so in an emergency stop situation you'd fall over?
@@bimbobaggypants4820 Pretty much. You would learn a rolling technique of knee out then to shoulder and on to back with bike up in the air so you didn’t mar your beautiful paint!
@@bimbobaggypants4820 yes, a few times, only one serious.
Yeh training, diet, tech etc. has improved in modern cycling.
I think the pace they managed on those old heavy, non aero bikes may be explained by all the speed, cocaine, ether and alcohol cyclists used in the early 20th century
It would be a dream to see olr Champions on New bikes!!! How fast would they be!?
You Rock Ollie!!! Well done.
My dads got a bottechia from the 70s. Rides like a dream. Yes it is a champion of the world model.
Alan you rock!!!
The roads, nobody seems to mention them!
Definitely a lot smoother today
Heresy. no matter how good Fausto was Eddy is the GOAT. also i raced on a Cinelli back in the early 70s, and although i ride an 11 year old carbon bike now, i don't think there is that much difference (speed wise). I prefer the gears with 10 spd on the back (i use a triple on the front now) and especially gears mounted on the brakes. but the biggest change by far i find (for me) is the clipless shoes.
Whats funnier?
1.Alan laughing it out.
2.Ollie´s low cadence with the left foot off the strap, climb.
🤣
Obviously there is a big difference in the drivetrains with old vs new, but as a person who used to ride race bikes from the 70’s I would say the biggest difference is in the artistry and design details of the old bikes built by the masters. New plastibikes look like noname assembly line creations compared to old works of art. Ollie, you would have gotten into the toe clips easier if your leather helmet was straight! 🤪
Modern guy in winter kit. Retro guy in summer kit. I would be miserable also but not because of the bike.
I have a modern race bike but also occasionally ride my Gios Professional that i bought new in 1985. The gering pn my Gios is 53 x 42 with 13 - 25 freewheel. Tough gearbeitet compared to my modern bike. Oh ya i also live in one of Europes most mountainous countries😅.
I bet it has to be a special day to take the Gios out!
MISTAKE.
In 1876 the modern bicycle (With 2 equal sized chain driven wheels) was not invented. If the ride took place in 1876, they would have used Penny Farthings and other direct drive bicycles.
Kemp Starley only invented the modern rendition of a chain driven bike in 1885.
What's up with those long ass brake cables?!
It's called VINTAGE - you might have heard of it 😎
Perhaps you could acquire some bikes from Rideable Bicycle Replicas.
The soundtrack is the very poor man's Ennio Morricone.
You're off by a decade, Ollie, regarding Jon Kemp Starley's invention of the safety bicycle. It was 1885, not 1875.
So it looks like road bikes didn't change much from 57 to later 70s? I had a later 70s Peugoet and my friends had Ralieghs and Fujis, not the highest level but it seems like the general technology was the same as this, apparently a little slower pace of evolution back then?
Hahahaha grande Alàn Marangoooni!
My 1970 Mondia still rolls fast on the flat. But white socks make it go faster 🙄